protection

[swift orbit]

Hang on, you guys are saying Scale. We're talking about the ??? trinket

[wet compass]

Stone legion is near deterministic

[sweet summit]

Wait what

[wet compass]

Scale really isn't

[sweet summit]

Quantum?

[swift orbit]

I say DoS trinket as a dps player - as it's the only option for me hahaha

Yeah the IQD

[sweet summit]

Oh lmao

[plush moat]

Noo lol thats dps

[wet compass]

wait iqd is the question not scale?

[sweet summit]

Yeah ok so

[plush moat]

Thought scale

[sterile moss]

is that even on the loot table for prot?

[swift orbit]

Yeah didn't even realise prot warrs have another option from DoS rofl

[eager phoenix]

we need a banana for Scale

[swift orbit]

my bad

[wet compass]

if it's iqd take stone legion fuck iqd but take scale if it's scale

[sweet summit]

What other trinkets do you have? And what other pair of shoulders do you have?

[sterile moss]

man I hope he didn't pick already

[lucid lodge]

I didnt hahaha

[plush moat]

I had scale 3 times in vault now but still 0 shields

[wet compass]

I have 0 shields and 0 scales 😦

[plush moat]

Feels bad

[lucid lodge]

got sucky sucky OS shoulders but thats fine for me, just want bis for raid

[sweet summit]

Ok so just keep playing the wall as lego

And choose slh trinket

To replace bladeshit

[smoky wave]

😐

[plush moat]

Today i settled for a 226 chest with crit and vers ehh could been worsy

[lucid lodge]

even with only +-5 people with the trinket?

[sweet summit]

Its party only, so max benefit would be you +4

And it only adds ~1% vers

[sterile moss]

honestly the group benefit is barely anything

[sweet summit]

But its more than nothing! So yell at your RL to sort a group

[lucid lodge]

oh lol thought it would stack at least a little bit further

but thanks for the advice guys!

[swift orbit]

❤️

[wet compass]

I settled for a 226 chest .... so much hate

[blazing condor]

Quad pull on start in HoA shouldnt be too hard on tyrannical right?

[fleet quail]

what talents are we running now with reprisal

[blazing condor]

AM seems pretty given

Maybe double time if its needed

[plush moat]

Gonne be farming theater of pain for the shield ud it ever drops that is

[brittle dagger]

wow actually feels nice

to play prot for once in m+

i thought i'd ne ver see the day

[plush moat]

Really?

[brittle dagger]

crazy good

[plush moat]

Will test out in a bit

So damage is insane then?

[blazing condor]

Prot has always been fun this exp imo

Just hurts more

[mellow gorge]

now we hurt more

somewhat

maybe

[blazing condor]

Either way its gonna be a nice change

Well we SHOULD hurt more

[mellow gorge]

i hope so

10% ? pfft we need 100%

[plush moat]

Lol

[brittle dagger]

damage is nice but new lego makes it amazing

[mellow gorge]

i don't really like reprisal personally

[brittle dagger]

charge in, shield block applied, 40 rage for an instant ignore pain and a free revenge for aggro

intervene for another shield block

[plush moat]

Wait does it also appky a ignore pain??

[mellow gorge]

no

gives you rage for IP

[ionic fern]

More like
Charge in,SB applied, cast SB again to get it on CD and Revenge.
Or..if the pack isn't living past the first SB then Charge->Revenge!->Revenge->Revenge.

[jagged pier]

sounds like 3 revenges to me

[blazing condor]

Charge > rend > thunderclap > cleave

[elfin atlas]

Don't forget to Intervene to other Melee classes in the middle of Revenges. Keep that rage going!

[plush moat]

What if u only have ranged lol

[elfin atlas]

Low on range Intervene out and charge in I guess

[mellow gorge]

intervene ranged

and charge back in

[brittle dagger]

feels really good tho

[remote hawk]

Range should stand in melee

Period

[mellow gorge]

ranged shouldn't have the benefit of being ranged

that makes me mad 😠

[sick sentinel]

make a party with at least a melee, intervene crutch

[elfin atlas]

HA

[eager phoenix]

mage has their fingers in the cookie jar should be easy pingpong

[ionic fern]

Just get a pally Healer.

[mellow gorge]

mages unbind WASD for more abilities

[ionic fern]

They will be in melee anyways

[elfin atlas]

Fact

[eager phoenix]

plka had the nice 15x15 intervene icon up when it was off cd and then bouncing around

[obtuse marsh]

what leggo better for raid ?

[fleet quail]

What shield from m+ is best to farm for

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

What pin should i check?

[jagged pier]

[sick sentinel]

What is the best team composition to benefit us ? a monk for increased physical damage, hunter, shaman, pala ?

[mellow gorge]

monk for 5%, shammy for earth elem,

[ionic fern]

Shouldn't you be focusing on what makes the DPS'ers do more DPS not the other way around? 😂

[eager phoenix]

😄

[mellow gorge]

nahhh

[median tulip]

Any of them. iLvl for Armour and Block Value are the most important factors with a shield. iLvl is king.

[mellow gorge]

we are dps

that's our job as

prot warriors

[sick sentinel]

thinking globally, mages don´t benefit from our battle shout but other classes do. same as we benefit from monk physical damage increase, moar damage moar threat 😄

[mellow gorge]

mages should benefit from battle shout though

it's 5% increase in attack power

[crisp dragon]

Anyone received their new mount?

[median tulip]

I've done parties with full melee teams. The best thing is that the little jumping bastards in Necrotic Wake and Theatre of Pain can't actually jump if everyone is in melee

[ionic fern]

I have honestly never put any thought into the comp i run in m+ outside of "Do we have a CR and lust?"

[sick sentinel]

its just for the theoretical discussion, a change from is necro op now ? 😄

[median tulip]

Tranq on Raging weeks and for DOS

[sweet summit]

OP? no. A lot better than it was before? Yes

[ionic fern]

Well, CR is usually a boomy so that's covered.

[sweet summit]

Worth to change? Maybe, maybe not

[blazing condor]

We stan boomies with trees

And mages who can combust

[ionic fern]

The number of people who are re-rolling Necrolord and won't be able to make good use out of Banner is going to be skyhigh.

[jagged pier]

☝️

[median tulip]

Yep

[raven nebula]

👆

[sick sentinel]

probably should have written the full sentence... i ment a "its just for the theoretical discussion, a change from the usual conversation these days: is necro op now ? 😄

[mellow gorge]

i'mma stay kyrian until i get shiny flying mount

[median tulip]

I'm not sure why people have taken "Blizz are buffing the worst covenant to be playable" and come to the conclusion that it'll be OP

[jolly thistle]

Will be even easier to get good logs now

[jagged pier]

/ no not really its brings it inline with the others

[raven nebula]

-Necro banner seems really situational and almost un-useable in fights like Denathrius.
-Necro shield is a channeled spell right? In a world where kiting is the strategy of choice for M+, this seems like a bad idea.

[wicked vault]

you can use it as a 3 sec 20% dmg reduction CD

[crimson canyon]

I went Necro knowing it was suboptimal and that I'm not coordinated enough just because I thought it'd be funny to try and optimize simping

[wicked vault]

I have every tank spec, most of them are Kyrian. Blood is Venthyr and Bear is Fae. It's nice to have something that is not Kyrian.

[tender carbon]

You can always use emeni cast while moving but it’s still really nice as a quick DR for some busters

[ionic fern]

I went NF cause i wanna Ravager+Ancient Aftershock + revenge spam.

[median tulip]

What's the Rage generation on the banner?

[tender carbon]

Or throw it up after you leap away

[ionic fern]

4 per sec.

[smoky wave]

This is kinda why I'm tempted to swap; purely thinking it'll be entertaining trying to do it.

[delicate thorn]

I went necro from day one due to transmog, maybe that paid off now

[sudden flax]

u a masochist, i like it

[lucid holly]

Gimping yourself if you play off spec dps is annoying as fuck though

I’m switched to Kyrian for Prot M+ and parsing 50s instead of 80s because of covenant choice feels awful

[median tulip]

Jokes on you, I'm Venthyr

[odd verge]

i'm half expecting pugs to say "what? you are not necro? bUt We nEeD bIg DpS" and proceeds to flame me.

[lavish oyster]

Is reprisal the go to leggo now?

[ionic fern]

If you can play around it then yes.

[lavish oyster]

ty mate

[median tulip]

I 100% expect every Boomkin in wow to be like that

[ionic fern]

It's horrible to line up with boomkins tho.

Since one is 2m CD and another is 3m CD.

[austere cave]

I had an arcane mage just ask me why I'm not bannering him

[median timber]

But mwahi necro is bis and so is prot warrior

Gotta follow the meta

Cant make decisions for my self

[ionic fern]

Why do i even bother, no one listens anyways. 😦

[flat bramble]

want to share with you all

upgraded my scale 171-223 , woot 😄

[ionic fern]

Gz

[flat bramble]

good weekly cache

[ionic fern]

[sudden flax]

grats mate!

[flat bramble]

with the 235 reprisal , lengendary , good stuff today 😄

[nocturne steeple]

ALLL HAIL THE BANNER

[prisma bear]

also fyi if yall didnt know you can valour upgrade with the armour upgrader in your covenant hall as well

[sick sentinel]

After 50 runs and still going, on DOS I just want to say GZ you lucky bastards ... 😄

[median tulip]

No

[sudden flax]

https://tenor.com/view/outside-weather-flag-windy-gif-14236951

[nocturne steeple]

YS KHAS

YES

[sudden flax]

someone photoshop the necro banner in that

[nocturne steeple]

XD

https://tenor.com/view/army-navy-marines-air-force-coast-guard-gif-15125981

[sleek echo]

I heard unbreakable will will be a good leggo choice? How do i decide what to use for what content 😄

[ionic fern]

Every DPS : "WHY AREN'T YOU NECRO??"
Me: "Haha, blue lines go brrrrrrrrr "

[nocturne steeple]

i mean the wall give shield wall 2 charges XD

https://tenor.com/view/vikings-history-valhalla-shieldwall-gif-5110690

[sudden flax]

i'd be all over NF if it weren't for their ridiculous transmog (sorry to everyone who likes it)

[nocturne steeple]

XD

[ionic fern]

I don't know where you heard that from but that's kinda not true.

[sudden flax]

love the stomp

just stomp all day

[ionic fern]

I don't use that mog anyways

[sleek echo]

😄 ah fair enough, how is NF for raiding? i know its great for m+. but im so used to kyrian tanks cos im a DH pleb usualy haha

[lone hearth]

so with reprisal how much of a uptime i should be having on sb?

[austere cave]

close to 100%

[limpid tide]

maybe as much as 80%

[jagged pier]

i think your thinking of unbreakable will there buddy

[crisp dragon]

there is no %, but it should be up as much as u take damage

[nocturne steeple]

@jagged pier ah yes

[austere cave]

I sat at around 92% uptime on SB in the mists key

[sick sentinel]

you can line up easily 30 sec of shield block on a pull

[lone hearth]

i did 81% in a mists ;-;

i need to get gud

damm

[sick sentinel]

with bolster or new reprisal ?

[nocturne steeple]

so is reprisal that goot now

[austere cave]

AM + Reprisal

[sick sentinel]

k, thx.

[nocturne steeple]

how much valor to boost 171 to 223

[prime matrix]

I got to ask all of you guys: currently kyrian prot warri... with al lthe changes, is necro the best cov. now or what? And reprisal bis leggy?

[strong forum]

Not until you can wear 2 leggos

And even then there will be better leggo combinations

[lone hearth]

look above

[austere cave]

if you have a coordinated group in high keys necro otherwise kyrian/NF and yes reprisal for keys in my opinion

[sick sentinel]

i would just add and if the other classes benefit from the mastery

[hasty heath]

You intervene your melee for another SB charge? I gotta collect more soul ash to get a max lvl piece

[austere cave]

yep pretty much on cd

[hasty heath]

Cool ty

[prisma bear]

right now its adding 6s of shield block but its a mistake or..? i thought they changed it to 4s

[jagged pier]

🤫

[strong forum]

🤫

[prisma bear]

🤫

[lone hearth]

we dont talk bout that

[elfin atlas]

I have a keybind to intervene my focus target and set my focus to another melee player. Works for me.

[lone hearth]

i did it, feels good, but i kinda feel guilty

[tame jasper]

can you sahre the macro for that?

[lone hearth]

yeah

let me login

[elfin atlas]

I just love not having to Charge in to battle and throw a damn shield block up right away. I can actually charge in and kill things. My happy days are back.

[lone hearth]

#showtooltip
/cast [target=focus] Intervene

[nocturne steeple]

question whats best soulbind for prot necrolords

[fervent smelt]

Agreed! I had a lot of fun with reprisal yesterday

Everything just felt less clunky for me

[solemn magnet]

Heirmirs is best imo. Everyone else will say emeni

[nocturne steeple]

why heirmirs ?

im trying to pick and its kinda hard

[solemn magnet]

The str and crit is more consistent.

[nocturne steeple]

cause plague boi gives nice heal/shields

[solemn magnet]

Plague Boi prolly 2nd for me

[flat bramble]

No valor upgrade, just my weekly chest

[nocturne steeple]

ah

nice

XD

@solemn magnet thanks BB

[flat bramble]

and you cannot upgrade 171 (171 is not upgradable) , you need at least 184 ilevel i think ? looted in mm0 mini ?

[nocturne steeple]

BB what u think is bis soublind for arms

ah ok

[solemn magnet]

No clue. Haven't played arms since lvling.

[nocturne steeple]

X(

ah ok

[lime urchin]

Maybe this section needs a bot that shows the pins!

[fresh belfry]

does conquerors banner stay on the first 2 friends it hits or is it dynamic?

and whats the max range?

[signal plover]

Stays on the first 2

[cloud tide]

hows m+ with new lego?

[lusty jewel]

Is there a new BiS Legendary now for m+?

[spark mortar]

Seems to be Reprisal. It's all the rage among the shield slammers these days.

The real question is Necrolord vs Kyrian for 9.0.5.

[jagged pier]

[jagged pier]

[young glen]

21 +2 to go for 220 scale

[outer bronze]

NF 📈

[cloud tide]

reprisal got nerfed???

[jagged pier]

no?

[ionic fern]

Only from 6s to 4s a while back.

[cloud tide]

thats what pin says

[gentle trellis]

holy moly, just ran my first 15 with reprisal

[cloud tide]

how is it?

[gentle trellis]

giga gucci

[amber herald]

it really does feel like 90% SB uptime

[woeful trellis]

Don’t forget its tyr now

[gentle trellis]

which means?

[outer spoke]

Packs are low

[gentle trellis]

yes?

ah, bc of dps?

[outer spoke]

We will see next week how it works

[mossy sluice]

Easy to have high effective uptime when a pack dies in 10 seconds

[outer spoke]

No if u can more facetank with the shieldblock uptime

[outer spoke]

Yes this is right

[spark mortar]

Checked it @jagged pier and love the icon. I'm just waiting to see how it all plays out in live. It's really hard to say goodbye to a Kyrian Energy Drinks.

[amber herald]

pull everything and bolster it to the moon

[jagged pier]

im not saying goodbye to it

[amber herald]

then test, easy

[ionic fern]

It'll still be solid. The block uptime is higher than previously.

[spark mortar]

Right? I think that combined with the Reprisal is going to be fantastic.

[amber herald]

kiting feels less punishing now I know it's going to lead to a SB charge

[gentle trellis]

it feels amazing imo. it plays into the fantasy of being this wrecking train mowing through everything

[amber herald]

yeah although I've died twice already charging back into a pack when I shouldn't

[spark mortar]

That's what's up. Prot Warrior wasn't made for running away, it was made for being a pinball of death.

[crimson furnace]

are we going BSC/UF and AM???

with reprisal ofc

[ionic fern]

BSC/Rav/AM.

[gentle trellis]

i just played with BSC / RAV / AM

according to the charts posted here

[ionic fern]

Even with UF TC hits less than Revenge.
Ravager = More rage = more Revenges.

[crimson furnace]

roger, thank you!!

[mossy sluice]

How long til papa blizz notices their lil oopsie w/ reprisal

[crimson furnace]

so i thought that the clapper si back with UF and avatar...

[bleak plaza]

did TC just get dumpstered going into SL?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[crimson furnace]

ty for the clarifications at @ionic fern

[amber herald]

shh

[bleak plaza]

makes sense

[gentle trellis]

which oopsie?

[amber herald]

[elfin atlas]

The oopsie that shall nbot be mentioned again 🙂

[ionic fern]

It's better than before for sure but it's not enough. The general idea of "Spenders hitting for more than builders" is echoed through most classes..Thunder Clap was a weird exception to it before and it was just brought in line with the same idea.

[spark mortar]

How do people like the actual Necrolord Soubinds?

[fallow narwhal]

are the prot community happy with the patch? 🙂

[outer spoke]

Tc still under melee 😂

[crimson furnace]

what if we use TC with the soulbind that increases the enxt TC after we use Revenge?? @ionic fern

[ionic fern]

It's not enough.

[crimson furnace]

damn!

[outer spoke]

I think it will be not enough

[ionic fern]

By all means, play the AM/UF build if you want to tho.
I doubt it will stop you from doing any meaningful content.

It's a game after all.

[outer spoke]

Tc needs an other 20% increase to be ok

[crimson furnace]

nah, im here for some answers and I got them

having thunderfury spoinning around me

is just to OP

:)))

[signal plover]

Just wait til you see the new BiS talent choices

...jk

[sturdy trench]

btw has any1 noticed

that reprisal gives 6 secs of shield block

its not nerfed

[elfin atlas]

shhhhhh

[outer bronze]

[strong forum]

🤫

[eager phoenix]

🤫

[timid venture]

They should leave it

[outer spoke]

Its ok like it is, not overpowered

[signal plover]

Nom get the stfu stick from the shed

[sweet summit]

bonk time?

[jagged pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/gifs-reactions-KUOPgSNoKVcuQ

[sturdy trench]

:yes yes

its as int he ntoes

actually

my bad

[signal plover]

Excellent yes quite

[bleak plaza]

off topic but any mods here to delete mix's earlier post?

totally off topic no need to look further into this

[ionic fern]

?

[solar spear]

i only have enough soul ash to craft rank 2 of reprisal, is it still worth over top rank thunderlord?

[potent fable]

What post? Didn't see any post!

[signal plover]

Yeh

[jagged pier]

yes 190 would be better

[ionic fern]

I'm using r1 legendaries.

🤷

[bleak plaza]

missed the joke mwahi

[signal plover]

Mwahi cannot afford humor

[bleak plaza]

thats fair i cant afford shaman legendaries on my server so i made a warrior

[signal plover]

For fears of someone clipping his posts and using them as memes later

[amber herald]

is reprisal good for generals?

[ionic fern]

This.

[solar spear]

alright nice thanks

[signal plover]

Who would do such a thing

Monsters

[ionic fern]

That's why i made a secondary Discord account so i can make jokes and give bad advice without being judged and taken seriously.

[signal plover]

dolphin?

[ionic fern]

😂

[signal plover]

Whatever happened there

[ionic fern]

No, not Dolphin.

[signal plover]

The hunt begins

[jolly thistle]

[ionic fern]

I'm gonna get SF on that account.

And then make a 3rd one..

Get all the roles.

[sturdy trench]

gotta say guys

Reprisal gameplay is

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-yay-african-child-screaming-shouting-gif-7212866

[jolly thistle]

charge -> pump fits my playstyle

[tame jasper]

cant wait for it, but need a command table to get enoguh ash

[jagged pier]

you werent doing that before @jolly thistle ?

[jolly thistle]

now with more pump!

[sturdy trench]

overcapping rage

like crazy

[jagged pier]

ewww

stop

[sudden flax]

https://tenor.com/view/bike-pump-pump-air-gif-14322473

@jolly thistle irl

[jolly thistle]

could be me tbh but I don’t own a trek

[crisp dragon]

I cant get 235 ilvl reprisal, so ill have to wait :/

[jagged pier]

got mine last week

[jolly thistle]

craft 190 and gooooooo

[frail oar]

Got mine today, and discovered that for the entirety of Shadowlands I have not once looted shoulders

[gentle trellis]

im not alone!

thought id be the only one not getting hungering shoulders

[amber herald]

225 reprisal on legs gives more stats than 235 shoulders btw

[woeful trellis]

I bought 210 225 and 235 rolings last week and safed around 25K atm

[uneven mason]

literally the only loot i got from hc cn for 6 weeks

1 shoulder

[trail brook]

Hey, is necrolord good?

[amber herald]

yep

[uneven mason]

"oh nice lego you have there"

"Here is a purple to rep it"

[jagged pier]

[woeful trellis]

Jakey ur the man 😂

[ionic fern]

Should just give him a "bot" role at this point.

[trail brook]

Oh ty and sry

[woeful trellis]

👆

[crisp dragon]

https://gyazo.com/edd5fbbdddaaf645b0074e8c18dc5c49

😿

[sick sentinel]

Same feeling I have now 😄

[ionic fern]

Imagine being shamed by a warlock.

[crisp dragon]

in m+ even

[jolly thistle]

fun times

[ionic fern]

Just out DPS him and show your dominance.

Get that Seismic going.

[crisp dragon]

I wish I had it, I wasted too many weeks not doing Torghast, stuck with wall and bladestorm leggo

[ionic fern]

Bladestorm it is.

I guess you mean Signet?

Also, track his CD's and pull small until he uses them then go and do a giga pull.

[sweet summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/veLYbNtVYuZ2vwDFJxYGqd @wet compass

[livid tendon]

How does intervene work on like SLG btw? Do I take the debuff + dmg from co tank

[crisp dragon]

I could only dream of being the man you are

[ionic fern]

Oh, look the new APL is live.

[sweet summit]

[ionic fern]

You pick up on these things as you pug. You'll get there.

😂

[crisp dragon]

https://gyazo.com/c553e7f214d25fcad83c47defce0f85b?token=e21ca69be17d6efc20056fdc7592da4a

He's pussying out, how do I show dominance?

[obtuse prism]

omg this is 10head logic

[uneven mason]

Best use of ERT yet

[ornate sky]

yes

[ionic fern]

Wait, am i really the only one who has done this to rude DPS players?

[ornate sky]

it will refresh your stacks

[ionic fern]

I'm starting to feel bad now.

😂

[outer bronze]

i do it also

[crisp dragon]

I really dont get why you take the debuff from intervene

[outer bronze]

with friends mostly to fk with em

[strong forum]

Physical debuffs you eat

As they count as physical attack

Which is what intervene works against

Pretty simple concept

[outer bronze]

guardian main atm so after they blow i just incarn and pull yuge and ask where their dmg is

[tame jasper]

ilvl 220 sire ring with 78stamina, 162 haste, 44 mastery vs ilvl 226 ring with 84strramina, 134 haste and 77 versa?

[solemn magnet]

226 imo

[tame jasper]

any info yet if the maw thinf of the sire ring will play a role in 9.1 ?

[civic torrent]

How we feeling about Reprisal boys

[uneven mason]

I mean, I had just been killing them.

[uneven mason]

HOrrible

[civic torrent]

Feels like I finally need to trade in my signet

[civic torrent]

Why's that

[uneven mason]

I didn't have any time to use it lastnight because wife wanted attention.

Other than that it looks great! ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wild chasm]

what addon do you all use to monitor threat?

[jagged pier]

threat monitors what are in classic?

[solemn magnet]

Most people are probably using plater that has color changes depending on threat.

[wild chasm]

Dude thanks, you're so helpful! 🤡

[outer bronze]

why would you need a threat monitor

[jagged pier]

i mean the base bliz bars do that

[outer bronze]

in retail

[wild chasm]

TY, yeah that's kind of what I was looking for. Give me a stoplight chart for bigger pulls to see who might be jumping off threat cause we all know how great our AOE aggro is.

[brittle owl]

?

[sweet summit]

our aoe aggro is good

[brittle owl]

its not like you can react to it

[sweet summit]

wdym

[drifting glade]

yo seismic is pretty fucking good

[jagged pier]

☝️

[drifting glade]

used it today in a few m+

[brittle owl]

you either play sufficiently competent enough that it is not an issue

or you don't

[jagged pier]

☝️

[wild chasm]

Man, ya'll are freaking toxic, my god.

[brittle owl]

a threat meter gives no feedback past 'oh, mob is moving away'

[simple vapor]

Im new to warrior in SL but making one for funtimes tank in keys. I dont really understand why Unbreakable Will isnt recommended, can anyone clarify?

[solemn magnet]

I wouldn't mind a ffxiv style enemy list, but most nameplate mods incorporate threat. Or use the default unit frames like jakey, I guess

[outer bronze]

lol

[jagged pier]

i dont use default i have threat plates i just know that bliz ui does do it

[candid glen]

M+ pride appearance question as a tank.

Do you just use mythic dungeon tools? Memorise the appearance ?

I somwtimes got pulls where mobs still alivr and prideful appears. Id like that not to happen too much .

[thorn ether]

new to warrior , experienced in m+ tanking what covenant should i pick , kyr or NF ? I mostly will pug

[wild chasm]

hahahaha fucking clown

[sweet summit]

hmmm

[brittle owl]

it's usually down to experience

[uneven mason]

makesure your DPS know to evenly kill them on prideful pulls

[jagged pier]

i dont use it for threat i like the plates

🤷

[outer bronze]

plater plates are bis

[sweet summit]

^

[outer bronze]

how is that clown

[sweet summit]

it owns

[drifting glade]

kyrian is solid

[brittle owl]

dudes a cunt so /shrug

[outer bronze]

this guy coming in from a 14 year break and flaming, yikes

[jagged pier]

i am tbf

[plush tendon]

Look at Pins, but general consensus the safest bet is Kyrian or Night Fae for pugging; but anything is fine and viable

[brittle owl]

not u

[solemn magnet]

The default plates are actually fine, but I found a plater profile I like more

[brittle owl]

britbonk

[proper thunder]

Prideful is always at 20% intervals. If you know how much % you need from a pack and stuff. Realistically if you're unsure, rely on something like MDT for tracking mob % to plan for a pride spawn

[drifting glade]

has anyone been trying new seismic in M+

[ionic fern]

Old seismic*

[candid glen]

Yeah . I got a weak aura aswell but I mess it up sometimes

[ionic fern]

[brittle owl]

you can use mdt as a learning acceleration tool. you'll still have to get a feel for mob % by simply doing the dungeons. i always just learned thru repetition

[jagged pier]

its the same leggo just does more damage

[solemn magnet]

There's also a WA for pride that shows you current %, your percent at each interval, and how much % your current aggro mobs will give. Pretty easy to line up with that info and your MDT route.

[brittle owl]

having a set route you go thru helps the process tho

[drifting glade]

yeah but 40% to 75% is a LOT

[brittle owl]

that's where mdt comes along

[drifting glade]

i dunno

maybe i just have emptybrain syndrome but I feel like it's more than I thought it would be

[drifting glade]

also why is it old seismic? im not in the loop

[smoky wave]

still requires 3 targets so useless on bosses?

[drifting glade]

just pull trash with the bosses 4head

[candid glen]

I tanked with the new reprisal rank 3 an 11 nw. Then I got flamed by a 2.5 hps druid healer 😏

[drifting glade]

i mean I guess it's kinda griefing your healer

but the packs die so much faster

maybe that's just representative of poor dps players

that I've played with

[brittle owl]

getting flames by people in low keys is water under the bridge bub

suck it up, carry on

[candid glen]

That deep

[eager phoenix]

yeah whatever for sure

[solemn magnet]

You'll never see that druid ever again

[eager phoenix]

gg go next

[desert onyx]

why did you get flamed tho?

[jagged pier]

the class got flames not mme once, they said yer cause the tank is shit, then said actually no the tanks not shit the class is shit LUL

[brittle owl]

did you die? if yes, pay attention. if no, carry on

[candid glen]

Pulled pat + grp at 3rd boss

[ionic fern]

It was 70% before as well in Beta. Then they nerfed it and now buffed up again.

[sudden flax]

2.5 hps is a bit low, my passive regeneration is higher than that 😏

[drifting glade]

oh, thanks. didn't know that context

[brittle owl]

p sure 2.5 hps is my IRL healing

[sweet summit]

youre healing irl wtf

[sudden flax]

easy there jesus

[eager phoenix]

drink 2 glasses of water to ease the hunger a lil bit

[brittle owl]

yes i shit on wounds and they close up

[solemn magnet]

This is pretty common and should be fine to do. Did you guys wipe?

[urban tusk]

Soo, I heard prot is starting to get pretty decent for M+??

[brittle owl]

you dont do that?

[jagged pier]

already was

[sweet summit]

[sudden flax]

we already were

[urban tusk]

cool

[drifting glade]

LEGS SLOT

REEEEEEEEEE

[sudden flax]

don't let MDI fool you

[brittle owl]

🦵

[sweet summit]

why do u reee me

[shut delta]

uh guys reprisal gives 6 sec shield block or wut

[urban tusk]

oh, I don't I'm a prot pala main 😄

[drifting glade]

jealous because I don't have a foot replacement

[ionic fern]

I honestly don't remember what slot i made Reprisal on..it was such a long time ago. 😦

[jagged pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/drake-lets-go-S5yqNNTQlEZfqQ7InC

[proper thunder]

i did boots by accidents

[ionic fern]

Yes. It's a "feature".

[shut delta]

wew

[ionic fern]

Lets be quiet.

[shut delta]

😄

[ionic fern]

😂

[drifting glade]

🐒

[brittle owl]

[urban tusk]

guess I level a prot warri then, thanks 🙂

[sudden flax]

do it

[ionic fern]

I could see the future.

[sudden flax]

join the angry side

return to monke

[jagged pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-reaction-EKDIMDsRX3ihy

[brittle owl]

i wasnt at that

'long time ago'

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[mellow gorge]

all the way through bb

[ionic fern]

Long long time ago.

I've had it in my bags for a while.

😂

[sweet summit]

any HASTERS???

[mellow gorge]

no

D:

[brittle owl]

https://youtu.be/hEcjgJSqSRU

[drifting glade]

wtf is that without itf

[sweet summit]

ya

[mellow gorge]

lucky bugger

[drifting glade]

😢

[mellow gorge]

i only get vers and mastery

[drifting glade]

i get crit mastery

[sweet summit]

haste on every slot except chest, scale and shield

[mellow gorge]

look at these awful stats

[sweet summit]

📈

[mellow gorge]

i spit on them

[brittle owl]

so much mastery and vers

🐢

[mellow gorge]

i am tonky

but i'm not speedy

i can't move it move it

[drifting glade]

saddest part is haste makes you tonky too 😦

[mellow gorge]

it makes me actively tonky

but not passively tonky

[solemn magnet]

I'm renown 7, don't shoot me.

[brittle owl]

mast vers actually makes you passive tonky but ok

[drifting glade]

yeh hes saying haste makes you actively tonky

[mellow gorge]

haste is actively tonky

pass and mass passively

[drifting glade]

i'd like to think so

[mellow gorge]

since haste lowers cooldown on SB

[brittle owl]

idk why but i love this

[drifting glade]

but then I think i'm just high on copium from bad rolls

[mellow gorge]

i mean

8% dmg reduction

i'll take it

i won't ever complain for more free dmg reduction

especially on pesky magic

speaking of which

is pelagos still the best soulbind ?

[drifting glade]

bro that 3% from pelagos is all im ever gonna need

INVULNERABLE

[mellow gorge]

ah yes

3%

wooooo

[drifting glade]

can you stack it with the kyrian water buff

does that actually work

[sudden flax]

[drifting glade]

dodge poggers

[sudden flax]

what is that screenshot from? 😮

[silver trout]

I'm not going to share mine, it's embarrassing

[mellow gorge]

36% mastery

jesus

you gon crtiblock everything

[chilly echo]

Does the value of mastery go up while running reprisal?

[solemn magnet]

Character look up from the wow site on mobile.

[sudden flax]

and i just went necrolord...

[strong forum]

@brittle owl

[mellow gorge]

oh god

[strong forum]

😡

[mellow gorge]

alright

[silver trout]

accurate

[mellow gorge]

real shit

[mellow gorge]

do i switch to kleia

[drifting glade]

kill me

[mellow gorge]

for soul binds

[sudden flax]

i'm gonna go full on shield loli on this bitch

[mellow gorge]

or stick to peggo

[solemn magnet]

Nahh

[sudden flax]

just block everything

[mellow gorge]

wait

the hammer of gensis soulbind

3% haste for 10 seconds stacking up to 5 times when hitting a new enemy

[strong forum]

Mikanikos is bait

[mellow gorge]

awh

no ITF soulbind

[strong forum]

The potion soulbinds and lack of potency is what makes him pretty bad

[brittle owl]

😡

[rich helm]

Is the Quantum Device good for us ?

[stable geyser]

Hey
So new legendary on pants or legs?

[mellow gorge]

wait

do prots even use potency

[trail brook]

Pants or legs is the same bro

[lunar perch]

pants or legs

[bleak plaza]

pants legs or slacks?

[lunar perch]

hahaha

[tame jasper]

Piercing verdict

[drifting glade]

pants legs or jeans

[timid elbow]

I prefer putting it on trousers

[bleak plaza]

khakis?

[drifting glade]

maybe cuisses

[latent oriole]

How are people liking reprisal? I fucked up maths and still need 10 ash to make mine🤦‍♂️

[rich helm]

i ask a question and cuz of 10 msg trash talking in between no one anwsers

[smoky wave]

heh, been after a new avatar, ta Nom

[crisp dragon]

@ionic fern DW, i gotchu homie

https://gyazo.com/04a65dbc880a073080d698bf68ba578f

[mellow gorge]

eyyy

[graceful cobalt]

wich conduits we should Take now as Kyrian? and play with AM or Bolster?

[mellow gorge]

it depends

on your leggo

[amber herald]

lol did you fuck up his cooldowns or not?

[strong forum]

Isnt that the warlock that said pwar is shit

[crisp dragon]

Sure is, he got sat on

[mellow gorge]

lmaooo

[strong forum]

Just send a friendly wink his way

[graceful cobalt]

i play with Ripisal/The Wall as Leggy

[drifting glade]

damn was that with repirsal?

[mellow gorge]

I'm The Wall and i take bolster over AM

just for that extra defensive

[crisp dragon]

I said something politely, he naturally hit me with the "I was testing stuff"

[mellow gorge]

ah

[strong forum]

Idk if I like that vespa

[mellow gorge]

ofcourse he was

[strong forum]

AM grants you more uptime on SW

[mellow gorge]

i just like the 15 second shieldblock

the best scenario

is DoS on 2 packs

[remote dawn]

and DMG

[mellow gorge]

i can use bolster on the first one

and SW on the 2nd one

and still have trinkets just incase

i just like the extra defensive option with bolster

[bleak plaza]

@rich helm Device isnt amazing

[remote dawn]

and play rispal and AM/BSC have perfect Def. and DMG

[mellow gorge]

i don't wanna play reprisal 😦

[latent oriole]

Can you stack 3 sbs now with reprisal?

[remote dawn]

idk why^^

[mellow gorge]

just don't like the play style of it

[drifting glade]

thats fair

[amber herald]

you can stack three yep

[mellow gorge]

charge left and right into everything like a pinball

[drifting glade]

but you are taking a straight downgrade

basically

[mellow gorge]

it might be

it might be

[crisp dragon]

I dont usually do m+, tips on 2nd boss in SoA?

[bleak plaza]

vespa is a man and wants to run seismic

[amber herald]

angry pinball is all I ever wanted to be

[sudden flax]

yall are making me consider reprisal

[drifting glade]

I'm probably gonna be running seismic lmao

[remote dawn]

its not hard charge in pack than normal sb intervere a melee

[mellow gorge]

it isn't

but it's consistency is what will make it a pain for me

[forest fern]

has anyone tried reprisal in the raid yet, like bosses it would be decent on etc?

[bleak plaza]

move him just barely away from the last circle that he left and keep it in your line of sight so the balls are easy to dodge

[drifting glade]

its just too damn juicy

[lofty widget]

try and place the boss so that the first two black pools are on top of eachother, after that take it far away to make the "recharge" phase easy to dodge. hopefully boss dies by then

[drifting glade]

on tyrannical weeks I usually see three or four loops 😦

[mellow gorge]

i got really lucky with my rank 4

pauldrons

[bleak plaza]

i prefer to not keep them stacked too heavily because im blind and need to see the space in between

[mellow gorge]

got 1 for 18k instead of 40k 😄

[uneven mason]

Bought early myself!

[mellow gorge]

hehe

worth it

[vocal trellis]

Get Pride before boss and keep him In the circle he leaves after his shadowstep
After his 2nd cast move around the platform 1/3 and repeat

[mellow gorge]

2nd boss even on tyranical isn't bad

it's a dps check really

[timid elbow]

so im thinking of playing warrior and want to know about reprisal.. how easy is it getting charges off usually on raid bosses / m+ scenarios?

[terse peak]

Between Thunderlords and Reprisal is Reprisal that mutch better then thunderlords or is it not that bug diffrence

[vocal trellis]

Play with pride and bl and boss melts

[lofty widget]

also if you are a god gamer you can intervene one of your ranged players and hope the boss jumps on them. it transfers the bleed to you who can hopefully deal with it better than them 🙂

[drifting glade]

big difference

[sweet summit]

why does ravager sim higher than itf on st

[outer bronze]

lol nice

[sweet summit]

am i missing something

[outer bronze]

is that with reprisal?

[sweet summit]

yae

[terse peak]

Becuse of Sheild block or?

[hardy stratus]

Hey guys should we channel necro shield in the middle of the fight now with that sweet 20% dmg reduction?

[drifting glade]

reprisal generates a large amount of sb uptime and rage

[bleak plaza]

anyone have any tips for the first boss of SoA though? any time i try to charge in i end up dancing with the big guy and he puts the beam on me

[mellow gorge]

pop shield wall and channel necro for 70% dmg reduction ez

[trail brook]

Its only 60%

[mellow gorge]

for 60%

ez

[solemn magnet]

Kinda depends, I think. It's good for before going into a pull, too, especially at the beginning of a dungeon.

[ionic fern]

That's not how mitigation works...

[terse peak]

but i like Thunderlords 😦 so overall Reprisal is the best defensive legendary is Signet still good for Offencive or is it shet?

[mellow gorge]

i am no mathematician, i see numbers and i add them together

[solemn magnet]

Signet is pretty trash

[lofty widget]

whats the formula for DR again?

[mellow gorge]

i am only good for being slapped by trash

[sweet summit]

multiplicative

[forest fern]

i mean reprisal is technically offensive as well

[drifting glade]

play with what you are most comfortable with, but reprisal is going to be a significant defensive and offensive upgrade over TL now. seismic reverberations is probably the offensive option for prot now

[proven relic]

Guys, are we the meta now with the buff?

[mellow gorge]

in the end TL is still good in AoE and won't change, reprisal is just gonna be super stronk

i'll probably get reprisal at some point

[terse peak]

ait thanks lads

[signal plover]

Vdh still strong in kite meta

[forest fern]

i mean do you do more damage than a dh, there's your answer

[proven relic]

Damn wtf

[vocal trellis]

Don't charge him, just throw your axe and position him in cleave range to the birdie. When birdie moves hl to his new position and keep the boss facing away from your group

[forest fern]

generally meta is highest dps tank and the rest is bandaid solutions with healing 🙂

[drifting glade]

that's interesting

[forest fern]

if dh didn't have the mobility it would be closer though

[uneven mason]

In this case, its the highest DPS tank who can do most of their DPS from 40 yeards away

[strong forum]

[amber herald]

that first boss of SOA I started only targeting the bird and it's way easier

don't even pay any attention to the angel except for cooldowns on the slam

[sweet summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/phPxtsuKhBA6MBx2dGoipa

major bruh moment

[lunar widget]

Should I go with Double Time in M+ with Reprisal leg ?

[proven relic]

I feel like i can get threat much better and then jump away and kite easier tho

[brittle owl]

fam if that were the case where the bears and the ppaladins at

[drifting glade]

pvp trinket? is that good?

[forest fern]

i would think so

[sweet summit]

ya its good

[amber herald]

no you still want stormbolt

[uneven mason]

Burs need melee range for big thrash explosions, and paladins are in there.

[amber herald]

it's situational now depends on your group and the dungeon

[drifting glade]

if you trust your party, yes, else, no

[forest fern]

if your party is all ranged, yeah maybe stormbolt then for the lack of interupts

[drifting glade]

storm bolt still very useful and unless you have 30s downtime between pulls regularly it won't be that much of a difference

[lunar widget]

That make sense

[brittle owl]

what i was getting at is not just kiting/kiting dps, but meta allowing for facetanking and snap threat too

if it was purely a kite meta you'd see bdk be kings

[uneven mason]

Oh yeah, the 8second window of devastation + demonic

[amber herald]

it's literally chaos brand

[drifting glade]

is there a possibility for prot warriors being a serious contender around the +15s mark?

[brittle owl]

also chaos brand ye

[uneven mason]

I gues VDH is the meta because they're allowed to use their major CDs at sub 1min CDs

[brittle owl]

chaos brand 😞

[amber herald]

we could do 15s just fine before reprisal

[solemn magnet]

It already is?

[drifting glade]

i meant

like people not giving us shit

for playing prot

[vocal trellis]

+15s you can play anything

[uneven mason]

Warriors can facetank +15 ez

[drifting glade]

because it still happens

[solemn magnet]

I honestly haven't ever gotten shit for being prot.

[drifting glade]

i wish I got your groups then

[forest fern]

the availability of tanks in LFG is going to make most viable anyway

[jagged pier]

i was face tanking 18s last week

[sudden flax]

people will alawys give you shit for not playing an MDI class, so why care?

[uneven mason]

Literally only time I Got called out for being prot "Because prot takes so much damage" was by a Resto druid I was beating on HPS

[forest fern]

if you watch the list most groups are just always waiting for tanks so their ability to be "picky" at the 15 level is going to be limited

[drifting glade]

well, I suppose that's part of what I was asking

do you think the stigma will be lifted or is it unlikely to trend in either direction

[forest fern]

i'm not sure there is that much of a stigma

[solemn magnet]

I think the stigma will be the same.

[bleak plaza]

yeah ive seen a stigma and i think it will stay the same

[forest fern]

certainly not like some other tanks in the last couple of expansions

[jagged pier]

stigma will be the same unless u are a necro prot cause buff me

[drifting glade]

LOL

[jagged pier]

YOU SIMP

[drifting glade]

yeah good call

[solemn magnet]

With the influx of new pwars, most of them having never played it before will probably be bad

[jagged pier]

☝️

[drifting glade]

whisper the group leader and be like "hey bby big mastery buff for u ;)"

[tender carbon]

Emeni banner bois rise up

[forest fern]

yep just like fire mage got back in bfa lol

[bleak plaza]

👈

the new pwar

[forest fern]

everyone's mother made one

[amber herald]

niya simps will beat any enemni buffyboy any day of the week

[drifting glade]

fair enough

good discussion

[gentle trellis]

i dont double time in m+

[tender carbon]

Yeah but then you are a fairy 🤢

[gentle trellis]

intervene and charge is all you need

[brittle owl]

night fae have by far the worst woke inserted characters

[amber herald]

I'm not giving up niya's furry thighs to buff braindead dps players

[tender carbon]

Pelegos is pretty damn woke

[amber herald]

not happening

[drifting glade]

inserted?

[brittle owl]

everything is gay

just for the sake of it

[bleak plaza]

idk if im bad for doing this but anytime i try to intervene out to kite i get murdered from hits from behind

[brittle owl]

stag and unicorn, yep, gay

[bleak plaza]

i am bad btw

[drifting glade]

that'll happen if you're slow on the intervene, yeah

[bleak plaza]

but im not sure if this play is bad

[forest fern]

need to pick your moment to do it better

[solemn magnet]

That's just UwU shit, not gay

[drifting glade]

you'll turn around and since u cant block with your fucking ass you will be destroyed

[forest fern]

or have your part stand in a better location for you

[amber herald]

kyrian is just as bad! leave nightfae alone!

[bleak plaza]

its to the point where ive just been intervening a melee and staying in longer for the block

[strong forum]

Never killed me idk

[brittle owl]

ngl kirian brand of wokeness

[tender carbon]

UwU and gay. Corporate needs you to find the difference between these two

[brittle owl]

is p pathetic as well

[drifting glade]

this is safer

not a bad choice

[brittle owl]

venthyr at least are communist gippos

and necrolord are gender benders

[amber herald]

necro are gender benders?

[bleak plaza]

ive been running bounding stride to and using that on engages prior to reprisal so i need to get out of that habit

[amber herald]

so are kyrian lol

[brittle owl]

you mean to say

heirmr

you though was a chick

[drifting glade]

oh god dont engage with leap LOL

[brittle owl]

before you heard the voice

[drifting glade]

very bad habit

[bleak plaza]

that was more of double pulling stuff

[amber herald]

engaging with leap is fine sometimes

[bleak plaza]

leap to first group charge to next

[brittle owl]

aa

[outer spoke]

Engage with char instant sb up revenge and rage

[brittle owl]

that's how you get synced autos boi

[forest fern]

the minimum range to use charge isn't that bad, most packs will have a little bit of spread so you can often charge an outlier and still keeps them mostly facing the same direction and together

[bleak plaza]

but with reprisal and i like double time i think im just gonna chargeto both and hold leap

[brittle owl]

leaping into a pack

[drifting glade]

^

[solemn magnet]

Tfw you do the story and find out emeni ||is a secret dead snake girl||

[amber herald]

wouldn't you get synced autos with charge?

[brittle owl]

nop

you can leap between mobs just that they engage you at the same time and hit you at the same time. if you charge you almost always engage the mob you charged first

[bleak plaza]

my worry with leaping in is that ill leap past the first mob or 2 and let them hit it from the back

[brittle owl]

and if you charge on the edge of a pack, that usually is enough desync time

[sudden flax]

just like your mum

[bleak plaza]

exactly my point

[brittle owl]

[forest fern]

the benefits of charging into the pack though is so much better though

[sudden flax]

❤️

[brittle owl]

leap bombing packs is fun

suboptimal, but fun

[amber herald]

clearly we need to dust off the leaper legendary/whirlwind meta...

[forest fern]

well yeah its fun and has snap threat but with reprisal not needed probably anymore

[amber herald]

all these new warrior players don't know the secret warrior strats

[sudden flax]

why do you hate healers?

😄

[amber herald]

that's true with the snap threat thing

[vocal trellis]

Leaperlegi and pull the whole instance in 5sec?

[amber herald]

you leap into the mobs whirlwind and then leap out again

repeat until dead

[forest fern]

the thing is you have snap threat now with reprisal the "revenge!"

and block is put up for you so you're also defensive straight away and no ramp up time

[midnight jetty]

Does anyone have a source that gives us details on which classes will benefit most from the necrolord mastery, similar toPI?

[amber herald]

boomies, UHDK, firemages

[woeful trellis]

Dk,boomie,mage

[amber herald]

idk what else

[jagged pier]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kKlKAK1extJMB4EB3okGJ9jpVZZJE3xQacM9lS3RbWA/edit#gid=1257458573

[uneven mason]

shadowpriests

[solemn magnet]

Rogues to a degree

[midnight jetty]

Ooh thank you

[glad yew]

I’m sure it’s been asked 1k times, but is the intervene Lego the best now?

[sudden flax]

bruh

[forest fern]

So i'm assuming the server downtime at the moment is to fix the spires of ascension cat bug right 🙂

[woeful trellis]

The only impressive dmg increase is boomkinw

[amber herald]

leaper/whirlwind meta now

[sudden flax]

not the reprisal feature, right? 😄

[jagged pier]

for m+ yes and its not just intervene anymor

[jagged pier]

🤫

[glad yew]

Ty!

[forest fern]

raids its prob a mixed bag and you can just stick with wall

[sudden flax]

🤫

[mystic quarry]

Is venthyr fine for raid? I was gonna go necro to buff convoke and xuen in my group

[forest fern]

or use it on certain bosses at least

[mystic quarry]

but condemn

[jagged pier]

and covenant is fine

[mystic quarry]

Nice condemn time baby

[glad yew]

I’m usually fury in mythic raids but we are low on tanks so need to step up ><

And for +s

[jagged pier]

if you tanking in raid u want the wall

[forest fern]

in raids the covenant bonuses don't seem as important honestly if you aren't the optimal one right now

[jagged pier]

cause u dont need the sb uptime

[forest fern]

so don't stress that too much

[glad yew]

True

[forest fern]

i mean kyrian potion is great but you shouldn't need it to be able to tank

[mystic quarry]

Kyrian pot in raid for me rn on my veng just stops one swap in 2 fights lol

[solemn magnet]

Flesh craft prolly more useful, but not really make or break

[jagged pier]

no cov is make or break because they cant balance fights around ppl having them

[forest fern]

eh i think the mastery from spear is better on a long fight to be honest

[jagged pier]

becuase it would force rerolls

[solemn magnet]

Truuuu

[forest fern]

you have more availability for utility stuff and compensations in raids cause of the amount of players, so yeah its not really that major

[sudden flax]

i feel like i might miss my kyrian potions on stone generals

[forest fern]

it is nice to have for it for sure

[sudden flax]

it is quite nice to have the option to skip a tank swap for whatever reason

[forest fern]

you could do the ultimate thing and race change to a dwarf lol

then you'd still technically have it i think

[sudden flax]

yeah but then i would have to play alliance

i want my curve this year if possible

[forest fern]

hey, we live on in the shadows waiting for our chance to be great again, you'll see!

[sudden flax]

waiting for it!

[forest fern]

anduin will clense the world of all racist bonuses and then you'll come crawling back 🙂

[sudden flax]

honestly, the minute blizz implements cross faction PvE, I will roll dwarf

[forest fern]

they hints they are dropping, i think its pretty close

certainly next expansion

[sudden flax]

i hope so

[forest fern]

they just need to in general cause of the sub numbers

[sudden flax]

i like a lot of the alliance races, but all my friends play horde

[polar radish]

What hints are thoae

[forest fern]

well no obvious stuff but they have talked now and again about the "problems" with people getting groups etc

[mystic quarry]

Alliance racials are broken idk why horde is so much better for no reason lol

Siege of boralus role play before last boss was alliance killer

[forest fern]

maybe azeroth will eat all her occupants and poop us all out as a new unified race of titans

then we can all play together in harmony

[brittle owl]

history and shifting playerbase since as early as tbc

[forest fern]

the problem is you get a wave going and that wave carries everything with it

and its very hard to stop

[brittle owl]

preach has a pretty good video on the topic

[mystic quarry]

Ngl id rather be high mountain Tauren 10/10 times as tank

Fuck kultiran

[forest fern]

and cause race changes earn them money so they didn't stop the wave with the tactics they used to in the past with server transfer restrictions etc

[amber herald]

I will never group with horde scum

[uneven mason]

The major reasons why horde became dominant for CE content was, Heroic Thokk25 (Troll racial), Bloodelf dominance in MDI, Mythic KJ in Legion (Goblins) basically by the end of legion all CE oriented guilds had swapped

[solemn magnet]

Players don't wanna be normies so they play edgy horde characters

[uneven mason]

☝️ Massive exodus from alliance made them massive bank

[mellow gorge]

dwarves/iron dwarves best race for tanking

[brittle owl]

ot's a bit more than racials

going from 40 to 25 man to 10 AND 25 man

then back to 20 man

made it so it solidified horde playerbase

[forest fern]

oh for sure, but if you remember back to the pre wrath days you used to have "locked" servers for tranfer etc, and free transfers to this one, haven't seen that every in the last 5 years so clearly the money is too attractive

[elder whale]

Really sorry if this has been asked a million times but what piece would you craft Reprisal on? Coulnd't find it in the pinned posts anymore :c Thank you very much ❤️

[brittle owl]

you can't incentivize people with free transfers

[sudden flax]

horde was based way before MDI was even a thing tho 😄

[polar radish]

i thought they stopped that because it just didnt work

[uneven mason]

THey started doing Cross and merged realms starting in Cataclysm

[forest fern]

legs

[brittle owl]

people will go wherever is easier to find a guild/pug/whatever

[elder whale]

Thank you 😄

[mellow gorge]

need dem buff legs

[forest fern]

the problem too is their answer to everything now is "we have systems for grouping so it will never be a problem"

[brittle owl]

imma be real

faction inbalance is a player driven thing

[sick sentinel]

Dude, let me tell you a story from yesterday 😄 I am in DoS 15, charging the 2nd pack with the purple mob, 3 sec later, I was deleted, I mean DELETED ! And I have done 16 and 17 in time in every single dungeon. Reprisal is going to save so many lives in dungeons because you don't have to press 5 buttons (charge for rage, thunder clap for aggro, shield block for defensive and then start dmg with shield slam and revenge), you will have to charge and you already have shield block and rage to use another one or to use Ignore Pain or start dmg for aggro.I can't wait to make it after I finish work 🙂

[brittle owl]

blizz has 0 responsibility on the matter

[forest fern]

oh for sure it is, what i'm saying is blizzard could have slowed it if they wanted to keep things healthier

[mellow gorge]

that pack is magic, shieldblock don't care

shadowcore hits for 30k

now

reprisal is good and all

but i like the wall a bit too much

[brittle owl]

you can't slow down drone guilds that thought their faction was the issue in wrath/cataclysm

[sudden flax]

holy shit, i did not think of it this way

[forest fern]

heh do i have to reference the old line "you think you do, but you don't"

cause i think it might apply here

[sick sentinel]

Didn't want to go into details but I have wall, last stand and spell reflect for that dmg. I just died so quickly that I didn't even had the chance to use something 😄 and I have 65k hp lol

[mellow gorge]

yeahh

with that pack

use shield wall

generate as much aggro

and before it expires

yoink out of there and just constantly lose LoS

and hope your dps check is high

[solemn magnet]

If you use all your defensives and still die, your group isn't interrupting enough.

[mellow gorge]

^