protection

[brittle owl]

bigly legs

stonks

[strong forum]

Hackermans

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[brittle owl]

hacker hanz

[torpid hill]

in positive news plka just got 80% uptime on a 15 spires

[ripe mirage]

thanks, and I should have haste & versa on my legendary, right?

[torpid hill]

yes, haste/vers big pp

[woeful trellis]

Imagine reprisal on last weeks affixes 😍

[ripe mirage]

ty

[brittle owl]

haste vers medium all round pp

haste crit for pümpd pp

[torpid hill]

now that I'm doing 15s I only accept big pps for my keys

[woeful trellis]

Haste crit only under +20

[torpid hill]

5/8 to KSM am feel good

[sweet summit]

📈

[torpid hill]

you can tell that to all the gear I've been getting lately with high vers

[woeful trellis]

Inv me later defect need some +15 on dd specc

[torpid hill]

look at this shit https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/warbonur

[woeful trellis]

Oh ur us:/

[torpid hill]

best region

tryhard pve realm

[sweet summit]

Wrong

[brittle owl]

na brain

[torpid hill]

strictly speaking I'm not american so

[sweet summit]

Same actually

[jaunty vector]

is reprisal the jham now?

[torpid hill]

yes

[sweet summit]

Yee

[torpid hill]

I've only done one key on it but it's looking juicy

[proven patio]

yo, warriors, do you have to unlock the portals in the covenant upgrades again after you swap covenant?

[sweet summit]

Yes

[proven patio]

sucks

[jaunty vector]

Do you just like

[torpid hill]

I wonder what the highest key is you could do with a full warrior group

[jaunty vector]

intervene dps on cd and shit

[torpid hill]

yep

[brittle owl]

yes and no

[torpid hill]

watch plka on twitch right now

[brittle owl]

mostly yes

[lavish oracle]

Logged on and immediately got a 226 shield from my vault, 9.0.5 is gonna be good

[ionic fern]

[lavish oracle]

Also played a few keys with reprisal, lives up to the hype

[torpid hill]

I got 220 sanguine vintage from vault today :)

was kinda torn about other 10 ilvl upgrades but hey trinks

[lavish oracle]

Just valor upgrade a scale :4head:

[torpid hill]

this is how you have to play reprisal now

[lavish oracle]

Lol

[torpid hill]

maybe if dos would drop it for me!

[light rover]

How's prot feel today?

[torpid hill]

THICC

[primal rain]

how's necro

[torpid hill]

JUICY

[lavish oracle]

Feels good

[shrewd steeple]

reprisal on pants for more stats right? or does it matter?

[ionic fern]

I'm just going to make a focus macro for Intervene and use it on a random DPS.

😂

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, better stats on legs

[primal rain]

is necro any good?

[torpid hill]

only in organized play

although fleshcraft is actually pretty juicy

[primal rain]

If I just use it when people use their cooldowns, is that enough?

[torpid hill]

two closest people so

if you're running with people that dgaf about mastery

🤷‍♂️

[lavish oracle]

It felt like you don't need to cast intervene/charge to maximize reprisals benefit but that might a been a product of the bugged SB uptime on it right now

[median tulip]

How is the uptime bugged?

[torpid hill]

6s instead of supposedly intended 4s from reprisal

[lavish oracle]

6s instead of 4 from what I was observing

[torpid hill]

you can get to 18s with only one SB cast so

I'd have to map out the timeline but there's probably an optimal play to line up timers

e.g., start fights with intervene -> charge to get CDs going or something

[strong forum]

Yuh that's what I'd do

[median tulip]

So they changed the tooltip but not the actual power?

[torpid hill]

correct, we're suspecting it's unintended

[strong forum]

Yeah there was no patch that actually nerfed it

[torpid hill]

since patch notes say 4s

[strong forum]

They only said it would be 4s

But never actually pushed it to be 4sec

[median tulip]

Lol. Small indie company GG

[blazing condor]

i feel like the tooltip would mention it not being a full duration if it was intended to be 4s

i just says "grant you shield block"

[strong forum]

Now shut up about it

[jagged pier]

@patent osprey this is good content

[ionic fern]

What on earth is that

[blazing condor]

intervene

[ionic fern]

😂

[blazing condor]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TallPowerfulGoosePJSugar-N_P79U1sEmkQLCSd

[torpid hill]

I posted the same screenshot at 22 past the hour give me credit 😡

[median tulip]

Wow, that's a bigger Weakaura than my battle shout one!

[torpid hill]

I'm dumb, I didn't realize the tooltip didn't say 4 seconds

[craggy kernel]

Hey guys, I already know the answer I feel, but is there any chance that I can recycle a legendary for soul ash lol

[torpid hill]

no

[median tulip]

I guess we play with it as is and they'll nerf it if they think we're too good

[median tulip]

Nope you're SOL

[torpid hill]

I'm being pessimistic and expecting it to get patched 🤷‍♂️

[lavish oracle]

Iirc there was a blue post where they mentioned reducing it to 4s in addition to the initial patch notes

[blazing condor]

it definitely was

[craggy kernel]

Also on another note, there's the coolest bug in the game atm. My arms set with a 2h axe can only be transmogged into a sword/shield legion artifcat

[lavish oracle]

Just seems like a goof, it'll probably be fixed by tomorrow

Dope

[craggy kernel]

Its like they brought back Gladiator again and it makes me really happy

and I really hope it sticks around for a while lmfao

[lavish oracle]

Now you can pretend to be prot while you do big dam

The best of all worlds

[craggy kernel]

Aw nevermind when I switch specs it goes back to normal

[limpid fox]

Is the wall good?

[craggy kernel]

rip

So just dont swap specs ever. Lmao.

[lavish oracle]

The Wall is good

One of our best legendaries, the best in most raid encounters, 2nd best for M+

[median tulip]

Yes. Arguably the best choice for the majority of Raid bosses

[limpid fox]

Aight then

im not expecting to push more than +16

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, you'll be fine with The Wall

[median tulip]

For Mythic+ Reprisal will be superior, both for increased damage output and smoother use of Shield Block

[raven kernel]

is nf the best multispec cov?

[lavish oracle]

Though if you're not intending on raiding, just build reprisal

Yes, Rei

[limpid fox]

Ok ty so much

[craggy kernel]

Oh, hey guys, is it worth taking Double Time over stormbolt now potentially in M+?

[mellow gorge]

For prots, what would be better, the gluttonous spike trinket or anima field emitter ?

[lavish oracle]

I don't think so but YMMV

[blazing condor]

anima field is real nice

haste = damage and defense

[split needle]

Is there a breakpoint where we see diminishing returns on haste? I am at 27% unbuffed and wondering if I should opt out of Into the Fray for extra dmg with ravager

[median tulip]

That's one of the big questions. To an extent it depends on the rest of the group and the availability of stuns from them.

[blazing condor]

Not really

i dont think so at least

iirc

[mellow gorge]

in a way it does, had it for weekly but my spike deals alot of damage and healing, was a tough choice really but kept my spike

[normal trellis]

New warrior alt:
Vault gives me 226 Decanter or 207 weapon.
Current weapon is 171.
Current trinkets 184 Anima Field Emitter and 184 Bladedancers Armorkit

Any recommendations?

[keen oasis]

So, am I weird or something but wasn't Reprisal nerfed to 4 seconds?

[mellow gorge]

Decanter

imo

armor kit is not that good

[lavish oracle]

Well armor kit is the worst trinket in the game

[mellow gorge]

have you seen the pulsating stoneheart ?

[blazing condor]

we dont know if its a bug or not but on live it gives 6s and seems to work normally

[austere cave]

Is necro banner snapshotting on people when cast or is it an aura and if the closes player to you changes they get the benefit?

[mellow gorge]

i'd take armor kit over stoneheart

[normal trellis]

kk thanks guys

[lavish oracle]

But weapon ilvl is also big

[outer bronze]

snapshotting yes

[blazing condor]

brb running leash and stoneheart

[keen oasis]

Yeah, noticed that too. Would be kinda amazing if it stayed that way!

[median tulip]

Armour kit is terrible

[lavish oracle]

Nah, at least stoneheart heals you

[mellow gorge]

50% slow

[lavish oracle]

Armor kit does like literally nothing

[mellow gorge]

i mean, gives you armor but that's about it, atleast i don't get a double edge effect

[lavish oracle]

Sure, but you can plan stoneheart usage around not needing to move

[median tulip]

I run Scale/AFE for Raid, Scale/Decanter for Mythics

Or did

I might have to rework, idk

[lavish oracle]

I run scale/AFE or scale/alar for M+ depending on the level

[stark lion]

IDK if it's worth ever dropping Splintered Heart of Al'ar, it's really smoothed out reclears for the first few kills and definitely helped get our first mythic inerva kill

[median tulip]

I don't have Alar, sadly

[blazing condor]

ideally id run scale and splintered

even though i love to dps

[mellow gorge]

Alar/scale sounds like a really good defensive run

[outer bronze]

it only gets value if u die tho, i dont like using it on reclear, extra dps is nice

and ur not dying on reclears to tank intake except maybe on sire p3?

[lavish oracle]

I mean if you're sure you're not gonna die, you don't need alar, but yeah, otherwise alar is very good

[stark lion]

It's got 77 str on it, lol. It's got enough DPS to be worthwhile on reclears.

It's just a nice safety net. I honestly just don't trust my healers enough, and lets you dump rage into DPS without worrying about pooling for an SB/IP.

I just go ham til it procs then play like a wuss the rest of the fight, haha

[ornate sky]

Never actually seen AFE used. How constricting is it in M+

[sweet summit]

[crisp dragon]

Imagine using Alar for reclears

[outer bronze]

^:)

[blazing condor]

not at all imo - it procs so frequently and has a pretty large pool to stand in

[stark lion]

We keep dropping healers to speed reclears, and alar makes me feel less monkas

[blazing condor]

worst case it procs as you charge and leavs a puddle behind

[median tulip]

I'd say not very, but that might change with the increased movement with Reprisal. The effect procs a lot though

[crisp dragon]

Imagine not using 226 phial and 226 scale

[mellow gorge]

I should've probably taken AFE instead of the ring D:

[blazing condor]

imagine not using the exact combination that i prefer

[stark lion]

yep

[mellow gorge]

ah well

ring was a vers ring

couldn't resist

honestly if it weren't for the fact gluttonous spike does 10% of my total healing

i would've taken AFE

but both scale and spike combined make 20% of my total healing

[stark lion]

What fights do you use Gluttonous spike on?

[mellow gorge]

i just run m+s mostly

make most out of it's AoE

[broken cedar]

got 2 226 items in the vault with haste crit 😦 cant decide if they are worth taking over 220 pvp gear

[lavish oracle]

Spike is pretty good in keys

[spiral igloo]

Plka just got 93% sb uptime of a +15. Reprisal is the way

[lavish oracle]

Yeah it's absurd

[ionic fern]

From Details?
I think it shows overall?

[stark lion]

spike doesnt scale well with keys, just be careful. I have a 226 w/Avoidance and barely use it

[lavish oracle]

Bugged atm, though

[broken cedar]

isnt that because it's still at 6s instead of 4s

[ionic fern]

So effective should be 100% regardless.

[mellow gorge]

yeah, i guessed as much, but for what i'm doing now up until +15's it should be able to hold it's weight

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, it's giving more SB than intended

[spiral igloo]

Oh

How so?

[stark lion]

Do you think if/when we can equip 2 legendaries, the M+ meta will be The Wall + Unbreakable Will?

[median tulip]

Unless it's a late, deliberate, undocumented decision to revert the 6s > 4s nerf

[lavish oracle]

Patch notes + blue post corroborate that it should give 4 but it gives 6

[ionic fern]

No.

[stark lion]

Shieldwalling the whole party constantly seems pretty OP

[ionic fern]

More like Seismic+Reprisal
Or Seismic+TheWall.

😂

[median tulip]

No, it'll be Reprisal + Seismic

[mellow gorge]

what about TL + TW ?

[left gust]

Reprisal is still 6s?

[stark lion]

no synergy there

[keen oasis]

Seems to be a bug.

[mellow gorge]

hmm true

[lavish oracle]

I think high end M+ maybe you go Reprisal + UW

[median tulip]

Currently. Don't bet on it staying like that

[lavish oracle]

But like, WF keys

[left gust]

Yeah just did a dungeon and it's still 6s

[stark lion]

They should add Heroic Leap to Reprisal, so we can run Reprisal + Leaper

[left gust]

kk

[stark lion]

lel

[lavish oracle]

Like when Asuna is switching to the defensive mage leggo level keys 😄

[wet compass]

Stop talking about the duration maybe they won't notice

[keen oasis]

I'd say Shield Slam should give us Shield Block.

We are covering with shield after all.

[mellow gorge]

heavy repercussions

[wet compass]

This isn't bofuri my dude

[median tulip]

Run Heavy Repercussions if you want that

[keen oasis]

I was kidding there of course.

[mellow gorge]

is 16% vers decent unbuffed for m+ ?

[stark lion]

It'll do in 15s

[jagged pier]

stats dont matter

once u have 2 pieces at 226 for the same slot

they mattewr

[strong forum]

U don't need any %vers

[stark lion]

On the damage reduction side of the equation, if you're getting hit enough (w/o cds up) for your vers to matter, you've already fucked up.

[wet compass]

Man I was holding out hope they would fix the M+gear sigh gotta reform 15s I guess

[lavish oracle]

Valor seems pretty good

Not perfect but better than nothing

[wooden flicker]

hey, i thinning about lego for prot war in 9.0.5 (off spec, main fury), and can't decide wich leg to craft now? Reprisal or Thunderlord ?
just for meme 13-14-15 keys when can't find tank

[lavish oracle]

Gonna be really good at the start of a patch

[wet compass]

Reprisal

[blazing condor]

if you can survive it just go seismic and pump tbh

[restive wigeon]

is bsc the way now

dmg increase seems minor

[clear ruin]

Saw your reply way late sorry. I’m currently Kyrian. Made the rank 3 leggo today.

Switching to necro cause I’m a raid tank main

[restive wigeon]

from procs at least

[lavish oracle]

BSC is good, yeah

[stark lion]

Won't you miss Phial?

[mellow gorge]

fleshcraft though

[clear ruin]

Fleshcraft is more useful

[lavish oracle]

I was doing like 500 DPS more in the keys I was running earlier

[blazing condor]

phial is a lovely bleed-dispel but you can always play around the bleed

[clear ruin]

Shield up going into boss. Then you have a 3 second 20% defensive while casting and then the shield

[mellow gorge]

is the wall still worth in m+s ? i'm thinking of upgrading it to rank 4

[blazing condor]

its definitely not bad

[clear ruin]

Bleed isn’t that bad

[lavish oracle]

It's as good as it's ever been

[blazing condor]

still one of the best

[mellow gorge]

to rank 4 it is then

[stark lion]

The Wall is a good legendary, still top tier for most raid encounters.

[lavish oracle]

But reprisal is just absurd for M+

[clear ruin]

If you taunt swap fine it should be good

[stark lion]

Yeah, I mean the only place I can think about missing Phial would be places you can just play around it or get a BoP

[clear ruin]

Yep!

[stark lion]

fuck it, should I go necrolord?

[clear ruin]

Depends on you

[mellow gorge]

i'm sticking to kyrian atm

i really like the spear dps

[clear ruin]

What content do you do?

[restive wigeon]

if you have a coordinated team go necro

[lavish oracle]

I might go fae

[restive wigeon]

if you pug stay kyri

[stark lion]

We're progging Mythic council atm, I'm main tank

[clear ruin]

That’s what I say

[mellow gorge]

i find it insultive that on my first 226, the game gave me an armor kit trinket

[clear ruin]

Spear is nice rage gen

But Fleshcraft would be good for some of those mechanics

[restive wigeon]

banner isnt that great when you cant properly coordinate it with your buddies offensive cds

[jagged pier]

im progging sludge and im not gunna change

[zenith monolith]

how is it feeling boys ???

just logged in

[lavish oracle]

Maybe I should go fae just to get it to renown 40

[crisp dragon]

Kyrian homies

[lavish oracle]

So I can swap between the 2

[stark lion]

I worry my muscle memory on spear/phial will just fuck me for a few weeks.

[clear ruin]

Maybe lol

Give it some time

[crisp dragon]

wdym spear/Phial?

[stark lion]

If I swap from Kyrian to Necro

[clear ruin]

If you are currently pushing close to getting the boss down just stay as you are

[jagged pier]

its honestly just too annoy imo to make work like my booms like u could buff me on the pillars, im like number 1 its 2 mins so it doesnt line up with your cds on the boss, and 2 when th epillar is hit i have to soak so i cant give it to anyone but my co tank pretty much

[stark lion]

I'll be trying to cast spear and it'll banner.

[jagged pier]

its just not practical

[spiral perch]

Oh well, would you choose heirmir for tank?

[clear ruin]

I haven’t fully decided yet. I’ll have one for pvp and one for pve

So I don’t have to go back all the time to switch conduits

[lavish oracle]

Emeni seems good

Bonus main stat is 👌

[clear ruin]

Yeah fo sho

[spiral perch]

Yeah, I dotn want to switch conduits all the time, its boring

[hasty heath]

Hi so Reprisal is the way forward now for M+?

[clear ruin]

Yeah

[lavish oracle]

Yeah

[ornate sky]

Veteran respite is still strong af yes?

[clear ruin]

It feels amazing

Did some keys tonight

[spiral perch]

So I checking if emeni is for dps and heirmir for tank, idk

Or maybe revert

[hasty heath]

How do you max it's usage? You intervene a melee dps for an SB topup?

[ornate sky]

Marileth might be worth checking out for m+ dps though with the auto buff pickup. Might really depend on the m+ and the spread of mob types

[zenith monolith]

Guys, what renown do I need to be on to have enough if I go Necro for raiding and M+ ?

20 ?

[spiral perch]

Around 20 or 24 I guess

[mellow gorge]

i'mma stick to good ol wall

having that 1-1.5 minute cooldown is just juicy

[stark lion]

I made a 4 TL and Wall,

finishing up one for arms

Will I get new Callings if I covenant swap?

[hollow snow]

Fairly sure you dont

but it's been a while since i swapped covenant

[grizzled nova]

New callings, no.

But you'll get the 1000 anima/20 souls quests again if you've already completed them on one for the week.

[orchid frigate]

whats the requirements for buying 226 conduits from pvp vendor?

[subtle island]

226 scale good for raid?

[mellow gorge]

scale is always good

[strong forum]

Very

If you need the absorb that is

[crisp dragon]

I pop my 226 scale, then take a quick nap, wait 2 min repeat

[unique shale]

oh boy my dps

i feel like bfa again

[foggy plover]

hey guys morning can someone suggest a good guide to see for prot warrior? covenant leggo playstyle and talent choice

[unique shale]

look at pins

and guide channel

[orchid frigate]

❓

[unique shale]

the damage increase

[orchid frigate]

really?

that good

[dull tulip]

Still not as strong as paladin but it's something

[unique shale]

clap damage is now on top 5 damage in log

[outer bronze]

clap powers in torghast gonna feel good now mayb

[unique shale]

and my condemn hit harder

[hazy thicket]

Trade off there is being able to take a hit

[unique shale]

#feelsgoodman

[hazy thicket]

Hahahapaladinsaremadeofpaper

[orchid frigate]

i want to clap more often 😦

[hazy thicket]

I'm very pleased with the changes for sure

[unique shale]

with show of force it would be 16% damage increase over it

[crisp dragon]

Wouldn't Unstoppable be a good m+ pick now anyway

I dont really do m+ so I wouldnt know

[austere cave]

ravager is more rage on demand and i think the majority of your dmg is revenge

so ravager > UF

[unique shale]

ravager sim higher then UF

[vocal granite]

16% damage increase and we are not even close to dh xd

[unique shale]

dh will be trash tier tank over exp

[daring halo]

Just saw Plka with Seismic leggo. Really high dmg. But glass cannon indeed.

[unique shale]

like dk used to be in bfa season 1

[remote tusk]

I am already in love with Reprisal.

[unique shale]

how much better than wall ?

cause i feel like i cannot live without wall

[daring halo]

You're able to have 80-90% uptime on shield block

[hazy thicket]

I just can't decide if I can ever trust people enough to take Double Time over Storm Bolt

[vocal granite]

Yeah sure but it feels boring to play prot i was hoping for the damage increase to do something very good to him

Bfafeels

[wide pilot]

How are ppl liking reprisal seems like the troll of the year for warriors

[keen steppe]

new legendary strong? now

[odd verge]

Ouf. just logged in and smacked some mobs and i feel the % increase.

[outer bronze]

hows it troll

[wide pilot]

With how clunky it is

[clear pond]

how is it clunky lol

[ionic fern]

How is it that clunky? 👀

[outer bronze]

whats clunky about it

[ionic fern]

You already Charge.

[outer bronze]

lol

[daring halo]

intervene a melee

[ionic fern]

Now you just make a macro for a melee and intervene them.

[strong forum]

Just takes practice

And it'll be 2nd nature to properly pull off

🤷‍♂️

[daring halo]

Would we be able to make a macro for range aswell? intervene out and charge in?

[wide pilot]

Pika didn’t seem to like it

[ionic fern]

It's definitely different than what we are doing now..but then again so was Ravager.

[wide pilot]

He said it was clunky

[strong forum]

Pika tried to absolute charge and intervene on CD

Even when not needed

Just for the fun of it

He had 94% block uptime

[latent hollow]

honestly should have been used to using safeguard/intervene in bfa, cause it was like a mini def cd on your party when pushing high keys

[wide pilot]

He claims if u don’t intervene on cd the leggo is not worth

[crisp dragon]

Charging and intervening could lose a good bit of dps

[strong forum]

Well yeah intervene is the easy part

Getting proper charge uses is what makes it clunky

Or well, harder to play

[crisp dragon]

I love trying to charge but you're 1y to close

[strong forum]

Shockwave charge

Should line up fairly often tbh

[remote tusk]

Boss: Moves away
Warrior: So you have chosen death.

[strong forum]

I mean on bosses it won't be as needed

They are rarely dangerous to tanks

[wide pilot]

Seems like a lot of work lol

[strong forum]

Yes

[hazy thicket]

So don't use it?

[wide pilot]

If I wanted to dart around I’d play dh and not have any problems

[strong forum]

Welcome to playing optimally

[hazy thicket]

Sounds like you are just looking for a reason not to use it. 'i don't want to' is always valid

[strong forum]

^

[ionic fern]

It's only a a lot of work if you're min-maxing it.
Otherwise it's w/e.

You Charge a new pack anyways.
And Interveneing a melee is definitely not "hard".

😂

[wide pilot]

I would like bliz to address our low SB uptime without making me do stupid things to fix it

[strong forum]

I mean even without reprisal

You have 70% uptime on Block

[sharp sun]

I intervene regularly anyway, so not sure how its forcing anyone to have weird playstyles

in M+ at least

[hazy thicket]

'stupid' is deffo subjective here

[wide pilot]

Highest pike got on uptime was 80% and he was going pretty crazy

[strong forum]

He had 94% in that plaguefall

So idk chief

[remote tusk]

Should have, could have

[tired hawk]

Hi guys, I think everyone has been asking this question since patch is out. I guess Reprisal is our new big legendary for m+ ? Do we run unstoppable force/anger management now ?

[crisp dragon]

@strong forum That might be true, but you might only block 65% or so of physical damage, since some block time goes wasted

[restive flax]

Is it weird that I kinda want to step away from BV? I feel like I have so much more rage I dont need 😄

[strong forum]

Eh

[crisp dragon]

Ravager/AM

[tired hawk]

Ravager ?!

[sharp sun]

Ravager !?

[crisp dragon]

Actaully, prolly bolster on higher keys, actually no, reprisal with good usage is AM

[lofty widget]

Ravager !!

[hazy thicket]

I think effective uptime matters less the closer you get to 100% actual uptime

[tired hawk]

Isn't Unstoppable Force better with AM ? Ravager gives more dmg overall ?

[wide pilot]

On the PF one he admired he fluffed those numbers by using it when not needed the 80% was on spires

[hazy thicket]

Or rather, the closer you get to 100% actually uptime, the more effective uptime will trend towards 100%

[crisp dragon]

Ravager is apparently still better for a nice smooth rage gain and sims better

[stark lion]

I just swapped from Kyrian to Necrolord and I still have 3 Phial of Serenity. I just can't ever log out.

[slate shell]

yo boys, anyone can do a TL;DR version of how good warriors are right now compared to VDHs for example

[crisp dragon]

They're ok

[tired hawk]

@crisp dragon ok thank you. I expected UF to be back 😦

[stark lion]

There's no content you can't do as a prot warrior.

[crisp dragon]

Im personally going to be using AM/UF because I think its a more fun playstyle, if that helps you

[hazy thicket]

not good enough to dethrone them in the mdi, but push as high as you like... more or less

[brittle owl]

meta still best defensive CD in game, highest availability, pwarr has highest auto attack mitigation

pwarr has SR, vdh can only mitigate magic damage

those are the main differences

[tired hawk]

@crisp dragon I'll give it a try aswell, but I'll still play ravager in higher keys

[slate shell]

no yeah i know that already, i have a 1.7k rio war and a 2k rio vdh

i was just wondering how much of a buff pwars got

[brittle owl]

p substantial

there's still one big iffy part: vdh has magic debuff

considering you are shoehorned into at least fire mage

[crisp dragon]

Definitely, I miss clapping, and you could prolly hit for 4k crits or smth with the setup, never played ravager, I'm 7/10M with 1200 RIO, m+ just isnt me

[brittle owl]

that's a big consideration for high key pushing

but it's not a concern for someone doing 15-20 keyrange

[restive wigeon]

fuck ravager

all my homies hate ravager

[crisp dragon]

All my homies love 👏

[slate shell]

and necrolord is definetely bis now right?

[wide pilot]

Nope

[lofty widget]

nah

[tired hawk]

@crisp dragon I'm casual with ~1.5kio so I don't bother too much about meta. But I like to know what's best atm

[stark lion]

All covs are viable for war atm.

[brittle owl]

i actually would imagine super high key pushes with pwarr mage and boomy to have the pwarr be necro

[slate shell]

theres quite a difference between bis and viable

[crisp dragon]

I cant even get into +14's for some reason, it's actually quite funny

[brittle owl]

mastery benefits both the mage and the boomy

[daring halo]

Would say prior to ww nerf. Banner would have worked perfect for them

Still perfect for them just a bit worse 😛

[subtle island]

Useful for any melee?

[sweet summit]

Dk

Feral

Ret?

[daring halo]

wind walker monk has all CDs on 2 min

[wide pilot]

@brittle owl good luck coordinating that

[restive wigeon]

definitely strong for ret during wings

[orchid frigate]

same

[restive wigeon]

insanely strong for ret during wings tbh

[brittle owl]

it's not something most people would do

[restive wigeon]

if the ret has mastery bonus from pelagos as well

lol

has like 80% mastery

[brittle owl]

necro pwarr ret paladin fire mage 3's

imagine

the meatgrinder

[restive wigeon]

I didnt even think about the banner buff for rets

necro arms kyrian ret

seems extremely disgusting

dude is gonna hit you with a 30k final verdict

[sudden flax]

the finalest of verdicts

[restive wigeon]

enters the arena to this music

[stark lion]

LOL, I cov swapped and forgot to reset my hearth. Elysian Hold was not happy to see a necrolord pop in like that.

[restive wigeon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZD6weQ_MV8

[sudden flax]

do they attack you?

[stark lion]

They just stunned me for 10 secs then booted my ass out

[sick sentinel]

hey 🙂 so is everybody switching to necro? I'm to lazy...

[sudden flax]

i already switched to necro last week to get my renown up

[sick sentinel]

smart

[ionic fern]

I just went NF.

[sudden flax]

i would've been necro from the beginning if it weren't for the bad ability

i love the aesthetics

[subtle island]

Beyond requirement to up renown again, is there any major drawback to swapping cov that I’m missing?

[mild river]

With reprisal legendary, does it haste loses its value? A little?

[sudden flax]

you lose the previous covenants transmogs

[subtle island]

Is the necro conduit bis for example?

[stark lion]

You keep the progress with your old covenant, it's there if you ever swap back.

[subtle island]

Anything other than cosmetic?

[sudden flax]

yeah, i assumed he meant for the moment there 😄

[restive flax]

I also dont have my necroboi transmog though, eventhough I had it before

(switched back to necro now)

[ionic fern]

Not really, no.
We still want lower CD's.
We are also more than likely defaulting into AM now with Reprisal meaning that more rage = more benefit.
Get that SS/TC CD's lower with haste.

[sudden flax]

not really. as zerlove stated you keep your progress, switching back later isn'T that big of a deal either

[sick sentinel]

what about anima reserves?

[sudden flax]

oh right, you lose those

[sick sentinel]

😮

thats a lot

[sudden flax]

but they stay at your previous covenant

so you only "lose" it for your new covenant

[stark lion]

You lose your anima reserves, I spent mine on transmogs, hoping to go back one day

[subtle island]

Can’t you buy gear with anima then sell it back or something?

[sudden flax]

sorry, completely forgot about anima there

[orchid frigate]

i got anima to spare!

[unique shale]

what is intervene macro ?

[fresh belfry]

also gotta line up 2 avatars with 1 Banner (:

[stark lion]

I use this charge and intervene to reduce button bloat:
#showtooltip
/cast [@target,harm]Charge;[@target,help]intervene;[@mouseover,help]Intervene;charge
/CAST sharpen blade
/use Skulker's Wing

[fresh belfry]

wtf

[stark lion]

Because I'm lazy af

[fresh belfry]

that doesnt work

[stark lion]

It does.

[ionic fern]

I ment like a @ focus or @ party1 macro for example.

[fresh belfry]

if you have @target first in the logic

[empty spindle]

The trinket that’s dropped by sun king

[fresh belfry]

it will basically always default to charge

[empty spindle]

Any good or garbage ?

[unique shale]

so paety 1 is up to down right ?

[fresh belfry]

mouseover intervene will in this case only work if you dont have a target which deletes the purpose of this macro

[median tulip]

You should put the mouseover part before the target part; as you have it it'll only ever use the mouseover if you have NO target

[thorny wing]

Which Slot did you get for Reprisal boys?

[unique shale]

leg

[fresh belfry]

also jeez dont macro trinkets into abilities

like

really

never

[stark lion]

It's skulkers

it sucks

I only use it for world quests

[unique shale]

i do and it is working fine

avatar and darkmoon trinket

[fresh belfry]

it works

doesnt mean its clever

[unique shale]

wdym

[sweet summit]

Honestly

Depends

[median tulip]

It doesn't matter, because his macro will terminate at the first /cast anyway

[subtle island]

I really like it - great for awkward spots where you’re low and a healer might be too far - e.g. going through mirrors on sire

[wanton blaze]

do we talk about the live version of Reprisal or we keep it under the lid in hopes Blizz wont touch it till season 4 😄

[ionic fern]

Keep it under the lid.

Ssh.

[wanton blaze]

zip

[sick sentinel]

is it that good?

[median tulip]

Someone will tell 'em, but it ain't gonna be me

[unique shale]

i won’t make reprisal until season 2

[subtle island]

If you’re steaming through content though without ever dying/nearly dying, it’s pretty useless - great for prog

[sick sentinel]

no, its terrible wink winl

Is it for dung or raid?

[unique shale]

both

[stark lion]

Oh, nice. I cov swapped and then sold a cosmetic back to a vendor to get a ton of reservoir anima back

[sick sentinel]

What is Revenge! ?

[sick sentinel]

that´s a nice way to transfer anima !

[stark lion]

It's the proc that makes it free

[sick sentinel]

ah

[sick sentinel]

so its 70 range for an Intervene or Charge

ye

thats sick

[unique shale]

free ravenge,SB,40rage at charge

[tired hawk]

Reprisal on feet or legs ?

[unique shale]

legs

[sick sentinel]

I'd go feets, because every leggo is feets for me

can we pin the legendary priority pls 😄

[daring halo]

Hmm necro best souldbind and what path? Any info on that? Wowhead has not updated the guide

[stark lion]

Legs has more stat points, so I think it would be the preferred slot in a vaccuum, but there are other considerations.

[sick sentinel]

depends in what you already have, if you can get legs from SLG Myth.

default would be legs

[faint crypt]

so... necrolord or kyrian?

[sick sentinel]

nf

[stark lion]

I just swapped from Kyrian to Necro, but that was mostly out of boredom.

[jagged pier]

[faint crypt]

true

[merry ocean]

Check
The
Fae

Its good

[austere cave]

I like how random pugs still argue that you need bolster on warrior. If you need it to live you take bolster but its just not mandatory anymore

[sick sentinel]

i am kyrian and starting to feel the calling of the Fae Force...

[outer bronze]

do you TC on cd even if genning a lot of rage or just revenge spam?

[jagged pier]

u should always try

[fresh belfry]

TC still slaps like a wet noodle

[ionic fern]

You don't want to overcap on Rage.

Either dump with IP or Revenge and then cast TC.

[sick sentinel]

Resource Managemente 101: avoid waste

[subtle island]

Bolster with Ven turns last stand into offensive CD as well cos of the rage gain conduit - can pump condemn at opener and again at end

[outer bronze]

i meant purely in terms of dps output, is tc or revenge doing more?

[ionic fern]

Revenge.

[outer bronze]

should have clarified, poor wording on question

[ionic fern]

Even with UF Revenge still hits for more.

[outer bronze]

alright sweet, thanks

[sick sentinel]

9.0.5: "The Revenge of Revenge" ?

[stark lion]

Oof, farming these followers for the mission table in Torg is gonna suck

[sudden flax]

so am i gonna be the only one not crafting reprisal because i just hate the playstyle of it?

[polar radish]

couldnt you still do that without bolster?

[sick sentinel]

No, ofc not. probably there´s another one... somewhere.

[sudden flax]

:kekhands:

wat

no nitro emoji allowed?

boooh

[polar radish]

oh i forgot it reduces the CD as well

[mild river]

BSC is good with reprisal legendary? Or we still using BV?

[woeful harbor]

Mhhh hey Guys. I habe a question reprisal have no 200% revenge dmg

Mhhh

Seismic have 70%

Mhh

[strong forum]

Yes

[austere cave]

Seimic litteraly turns you into a glass cannon. You do a ton of dmg but flop above 15

[strong forum]

That's exactly what happened

[austere cave]

at least from the limited testing i could do

[strong forum]

BV if you're not playing seismic or reprisal

With seismic or reprisal you play BSC

[woeful harbor]

Nomeratur u say m+ is reprisal the best

[strong forum]

Yes

[sudden flax]

by far the best or close call?

[strong forum]

Quite a bit unless it's a dungeon thats overwhelmingly loaded on magic dmg

[woeful harbor]

Mhh But seismic you are a dmg Monster hahaha

[austere cave]

yes but you just plain and simple die in challenging content

[ionic fern]

Or have to kite way more..losing all the seismic value regardless.

[zenith barn]

Does anyone have a weak aura for the necro civ ability.

[austere cave]

I mean I ended up at almost 5k overall dps in a mists 15 but it was just not save to do in a challenging environment

[ionic fern]

With Seismic or without?

[austere cave]

with seismic

going full glasscannon

[ionic fern]

Kinda..lowish. 👀

Even before without Seismic you could do around 4.5k in mists

[austere cave]

ya i had to kite quite a bit

[ionic fern]

But it obviously depends on pulls/group etc.

[austere cave]

cause pugs being pugs and fking up bolsters

[ionic fern]

Yeah, for sure.

[austere cave]

reprisal just makes everything you do better in comparison to the wall. You do more dmg while being more tanky

[glacial skiff]

With reprisal are you all going leap CD reduction talent instead of the clap radius one?

I can’t think of any reason to take the clap radius one really since clap isn’t that great atm

[ionic fern]

YOu can but it shouldn't be needed.
I was already playing it before anyways

[steel magnet]

guys, do u use any macros for ignore pain or shield block? I saw macros only for taunt/throw/intervene

[ionic fern]

No..

[glacial skiff]

The leap one? I was considering it a week ago for kiting but now I’m just thinking general qol

[ionic fern]

Jeah, the leap one.
It's solid.

[storm elk]

So i see that its worth running BSC and AM now with reprisal, does this have any effect on conduit choices?

[glacial skiff]

Since clap is weaker it doesn’t seem that useful. Tbh I didn’t even use the clap one like half of BFA and didn’t notice a difference with/without it really.

[sick sentinel]

So prot warriors, how are these changes feeling

[stark lion]

big number better

[austere cave]

depends if you have to kite a bunch and dont have any means to keep the mobs slowed. In my group i just run and clap at max clap range

[glacial skiff]

I think the clap one would be better if the slow were more impactful

But the slow is so weak it’s as if it’s not even there anyway

It’s like what, 20% with clap talent?

[strong forum]

20% without, 30% with

[austere cave]

ya thats why I said its very situational imho

[strong forum]

It's just personal preference

I ain't running CT

Idk why this is a discussion worth having

It happens like twice a day

Both have almost negative impact

[glacial skiff]

Well, bounding does permit a bit more kite ability imo

TC would only really be useful if it were another 10% to the slow or boosted clap damage or lowered cd or something

I can’t even tell you what the third talent is. 😂

[strong forum]

Yeah idk either

Legit

[austere cave]

menace or however its calledß

?

[glacial skiff]

I’m actually kinda bummed dragon roar is kinda trash

Oh yeah. Intimidating shout talent that’s counter productive lmao

Intimidating is only good as an AOE pseudo interrupt anyway, in pve at least

[prisma viper]

Anyone running show of force conduit (revenge increases TC damage) and CT+UF instead of Ravager? With Anger Management and lots of Avatar pumping, shouldn't it give more dps than Ravager now?

[jagged pier]

always have erun Show of Force

[sudden flax]

... bruh i don'T even reach that on my fury

[potent crypt]

is time to necrowwars 😛 ill change today

[sudden flax]

TIL i fucking suck

[jagged pier]

i was close to this before the patch cant wait to get in after work

[strong forum]

Yeah im hoping to break into 6k dps in mists with reprisal

[jagged pier]

☝️

[sudden flax]

how?

[jagged pier]

u do damage

[sudden flax]

i'm happy to stay above 2k dps on 14s

what am i missing? lol

[jagged pier]

logs?

[sudden flax]

i don't log, maybe i should start

[jagged pier]

cant tell without logs really

we can presume things

[sudden flax]

but with that much difference, i'm doing something REALLY wrong

[ionic fern]

Probably not enough Revenge.

[jagged pier]

that the first obvious idea

but u could like a lot of ppl be missing SS casts etc so u dont have enough rage for revenge

[ionic fern]

Did you happen to look at your damage brakedown?

[stark lion]

At least Meatball and Croman give you a leg up on mission table when you cov swap

[sudden flax]

aaah, there it is. i hardly ever use revenge, since i rather spend my rage on IP and shield blocks

i guess you are kiting much more than face tanking too right?

[jagged pier]

i only really started kiting in 18s

and even then that wasnt much

will probs do it less now

[outer bronze]

ip isnt that important, better to spend on revenge unless ur gonna die otherwise

[sudden flax]

i don't have KSM yet, so i'm more in the area of 13-15s ^^

[jagged pier]

with reprisal

[ionic fern]

You don't really have to kite much at those key levels.

[sudden flax]

so i need to work on managing my rage better then

i tend to be too scared to use it when when i am capped out, so i guess i am missing a lot of dps via revenge

[ionic fern]

Considering it's our hardest hitting rotational ability, yes.

[sudden flax]

alright, i'll keep it in mind, thanks!

i had revenge saved as "only really use when there's nothing else" kinda ability

[random dock]

I suppose I shouldn't be worrying too much about putting too much rage into Revenge as long as I'm not dying? Sometimes I feel like I'm using Revenge much more often than I should

[crisp dragon]

at 100 rage what else is there to do?

You have enough for 2 shield blocks and a IP, but that shouldn't be needed on those keys

[strong forum]

Revenge is our main dmg button

[sudden flax]

i'm the kind of guy who keeps every single health potion in RPGs "just in case". it's a mindset that's hard to change i feel 😄

[strong forum]

Any rage you don't use, is a waste

[sudden flax]

gotcha

[strong forum]

Any rage you don't generate, is a waste

[hexed nest]

So how does reprisal in mythic+ feel for those that have it now?

[crisp dragon]

I wish shield slam was more like ⚾ instead of 🗑️

[delicate thorn]

I wish we could dual weild shields

[strong forum]

No

[crisp dragon]

Grow out of that mentality, please

[crisp dragon]

yes

[sudden flax]

i will work on it!

[crisp dragon]

Dont ever save CDs, that shit kills oyu

[glacial skiff]

I use to be, but you have to stop playing that way otherwise you’ll fail at WoW. CD’s are extremely strong and helpful for getting through tough encounters

[delicate thorn]

Instead of saving CDs, I just forget I even have them. Next level play

[woeful harbor]

Ok now i make reprisal rank 4 i Hope its better than seismic

[sudden flax]

took me 3 weeks to get it into my head that with "the wall" my shield wall CD is now basically spammable... <.<"

[glacial skiff]

Trust me you’ll fail more holding/reserving in WoW as opposed to blowing them on cd even as a tank but as you learn you’ll know when to use specific CD’s such as shield wall etc

[crisp dragon]

I want to wake up one day, and be as woke as you

your wokeness staggers me

[sweet summit]

Go away monk

[sudden flax]

monk discord is thatway

[delicate thorn]

@crisp dragon I'm blessed to be this humble

[crisp dragon]

:/

[glacial skiff]

Also kinda dumb question but going BSV we can go back to using demo shout strictly as a damage reduction cd right?

[sweet summit]

Ye

But u still kinda just throw it on cd anyway

[woeful harbor]

Haha Monk easyest Tank Play

[glacial skiff]

Most likely gonna blow on pull still, but yeah some cases you may wanna hold like if you plan on using shield wall first

Or can do so. Often I use both if I really need to

[woeful harbor]

Autopilot tank

[delicate thorn]

is the Reprisal torghast wing up this week btw?

[sweet summit]

[ionic fern]

You know the LFR is going to be bad when you're not even looking at what you're doing since you're watching a show but still end up as 5th on DPS as a tank.

[glacial skiff]

Why would you even bother lmao

[ionic fern]

Renown

[outer bronze]

logs

[sweet summit]

Bear bear?

[glacial skiff]

OOOH

[outer bronze]

[ionic fern]

No, warrior.

[sweet summit]

Oh

Ow

[livid tendon]

Did they forget to make reprisal SB 4 seconds or

[sweet summit]

Ya

[glacial skiff]

I’m actually thinking about leveling my Druid. Boomie/bear both look sick atm

[sweet summit]

I like bear

Bear is cool

[crisp dragon]

Wait is reprisal 6s then?

[strong forum]

[delicate thorn]

I will level a druid when Vulperas can be druids

[glacial skiff]

And friends tell me bear is like unkillable

[strong forum]

Shush don't talk about it

[crisp dragon]

I hate bear, all my homies hate bear, Warrior goons only

[potent crypt]

what soulbind is good in necro?

[sweet summit]

Reprisal is currently giving 6s of sb ye

[potent crypt]

marileth?

[sweet summit]

Emeni

[crisp dragon]

ok sry

[glacial skiff]

THEWAT

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-quiet-gif-8316632

[potent crypt]

loool emeni look sexy boy

[delicate thorn]

🤫

[glacial skiff]

Goddamit I need my damn mission table quest to complete to make a 210

Or maybe I just make the 190 now and make 225 next week

[sweet summit]

Anyone remember how much SA a rank 3 lego is from scratch?

[glacial skiff]

3200

[sweet summit]

Hmmm

I think i can get r3 reprisal if i do torghast asap then

[sweet summit]

[glacial skiff]

Was just peeping it lol

[outer bronze]

is reprisal wing up on eu or do i have to go twisting 👀

[glacial skiff]

I wish they just let you get more. Like the fuck who cares at this point

[solid tinsel]

going for the 210 today, as i'd be 25 ahes short for 225 if the mission table succeed

[sweet summit]

Reprisal wing is upper reaches?

[sudden flax]

i have been tanking and timing 13s on my ilvl 193 bear while i still struggle on my 216 prot warrior... well, i am a scrub with the warrior, but still

[outer bronze]

Ye

[sudden flax]

bear is buffy

[sweet summit]

Checking

[glacial skiff]

Yeah bear was kinda easy in bfa but weak

[outer bronze]

nice one, at work sadge

[sweet summit]

Same

[glacial skiff]

I hear it’s similar but strong now

[sweet summit]

But i have connections

👀

[outer bronze]

👀

[glacial skiff]

Prot warr has a higher skill cap IMO

Gotta lean into your cds more so than other classes

[crisp dragon]

My relationship with the wall has ended, misshapen mirror is my new friend

[buoyant patrol]

Which slot should it be on ?

Preferably

[sweet summit]

Reprisal on legs

REPRISAL WING IS THIS WEEK @outer bronze

[glacial skiff]

Unless you plan on killing SLG mythic

Then feet

[ripe mirage]

Which is better, anger management or bolster, if I play with Reprisal?

[outer bronze]

pog

nice thanks

[glacial skiff]

AM

[sweet summit]

Upper reaches/mortregar

[eager phoenix]

If only was a way to check torghast wings on wowhead 🤔

[glacial skiff]

You won’t need bolster if played correctly

[ripe mirage]

thanks

[unique shale]

can i use those trinkets cause i do't have any good tanking trinkets

[ripe mirage]

and ravager for m+, into the fray for raiding?

[sweet summit]

Ye

[glacial skiff]

You can, but won’t be super effective with the sins one

[ripe mirage]

ty

[glacial skiff]

That one is kinda shit unless stacked in raid

And only for ST

[sweet summit]

Its still good dam even without a stack on st

Doesnt gain anything in aoe, kinda loses something

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, but you can definitely get better options. Or maybe I’m just lucky since I got the spires 226 trinket today

[ripe mirage]

and last question, BSC while playing with reprisal and BV if I play with The Wall?

[unique shale]

use wall for DOS

[glacial skiff]

Now idk if I wanna run 226 emitter with 220 SLG trinket or 226 hungering trinket

[sick sentinel]

sry for asking, im new to prot warri, shield >weapon right?

[wet compass]

did trinket buffs go through?

[glacial skiff]

The hungering one does work for both dps and healing

[unique shale]

i changed sin to the heart

[glacial skiff]

Yes, and no. Shield for mitigation/weapon for dps/threat.

[glacial skiff]

Yep

[sick sentinel]

k thanks

[buoyant patrol]

guild soon 7/10 M so not anytime soon

[wet compass]

going to have to pull spike out then probably

[buoyant patrol]

we still go for haste versa for legendary craft?

[fresh belfry]

wasnt there this quick guide to talent/conduit loadout in the pins yesterday?

[wet compass]

I've been using that kyrian busted one but spike should do more damage now

[glacial skiff]

Lmao bruh same here but I’m still holding out hope

[wet compass]

I think I'm just going to go venth since I'm probably pugging this week anyway can put up some fun logs soon as I hit 40 to get title for kyrian

[ionic fern]

There was but i removed it since it's out dated with 9.0.5.
New one will come soon.

[fresh belfry]

defensive conduits shouldve been stayed the same tho right?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

Conduits will remain the same.

[fresh belfry]

was just wondering about last stand rage vs shieldwall cooldown

[crisp dragon]

Rage is nice honestly, it's really potent

[wet compass]

a near guarenteed 226 execute conduit is nice though 🙂

[fresh belfry]

Emini is weird in regards to def conduiits

[glacial skiff]

Are most tank conduits as bad as prot warr’s?

[amber herald]

nope

[fresh belfry]

have you seen monk?

(:

monk has like no def conduiits

[glacial skiff]

I feel like the clap one is sadly just the only one that’s for prot

[wet compass]

hm so if you go venth I'm guessing you don't go double potency?

[glacial skiff]

Tho any besides venthyr seem ok

I wouldn’t, no

Tho you could use ashen if you really want to push boss dam if needed?

[wet compass]

yeah the bonuses on potency trees are pain

I mean I'm using ashen for sure

[glacial skiff]

Idk personally I go right tree draven for extra str

[wet compass]

just wouldn't get a second potency one

[fresh belfry]

on the other hand, not everyone can have flat 8% magic damage reduction like DH

[wet compass]

you forgot 30 second cd shield wall that starts on one target and spreads

[fresh belfry]

well but thats no conduit

and before you say there is a conduit that reduces firebarand CD

no, it reduces fel deva cooldown now

which effectively is a buff due to more immortality uptime

[wet compass]

give prot warriors massacre and sudden death as baseline blizz it's the right thing to do

[unique shale]

[lofty salmon]

hi which item should I craft with Reprisal?

[atomic flicker]

Who deleted the soulbind paths off wowhead

[sudden flax]

leg

[blazing condor]

Where’s the valor vended located? Havent gotten a chance to check

[dense gate]

running AM because of reprisal: is unstoppable force now competitive with ravager?

[thorny wing]

u gzuys do Best Served Cold or stay at Booming with Reprisal?

[outer bronze]

banner value excel sheet that fem was linking on his stream - dunno if this is already available somewhere here but good resource for those interested
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kKlKAK1extJMB4EB3okGJ9jpVZZJE3xQacM9lS3RbWA/edit#gid=1257458573

[blazing condor]

Nope ravager is still very good for opener/rage/threat

[blazing condor]

Booming voice is still probably the better option unless you can afford to just blast DPS

[fresh belfry]

ah yes i see

frost DKs and arcane mages

noted

[jagged pier]

no its better ll the time due to rage gain

[sweet summit]

Ye max made that sheet its 👌

Not limit max

Our max

[glacial skiff]

I disagree. Booming loses a lot of value going from a 20scd to 45s flat.

[outer bronze]

what kind of profile does bloodmallet use for our sims? wondering how much dps you lose on personal play from swapping from niya nf to emeni necro

[wet compass]

I can see so many melee that banner isn't good for eating it in raids lols

[hollow pine]

any changes to stat prio when using reprisal or still haste>vers etc?

[fresh belfry]

the simc standard profile

[sweet summit]

T26 i think

[glacial skiff]

Use raidbots. Problem solved.

[sweet summit]

It should say somewhere

[glacial skiff]

Unless you’re pushing dps I’d suggest haste/vers

[brisk arrow]

How good is prot now and do you play the Charge legendary?

[sweet summit]

Good and yes

[hollow pine]

cool, about to craft it ill go for that then

[outer bronze]

if i had a geared warr i would

[glacial skiff]

You only gain tankiness with haste/vers

You can do it with a non geared warrior lmao wut

[sweet summit]

Wait i linked a sim the other day for my character

[glacial skiff]

I retract that you do gain damage with haste/vers too but for crit/mastery to a lesser extent.

[sweet summit]

Let me see if i can find it

[glacial skiff]

Haste increases shield slam resets with devastator and reduces shield block cd, vers is a straight damage i crease with defensive value

[outer bronze]

the diff between a 200 war no leg and a 225+ would be p drastic no? from str gain alone

p sure simming my char wouldnt be a good comparison

[glacial skiff]

Mastery isn’t bad per se but it’s not nearly as effective as the other 2 and crit is a gamble by increasing parry

[outer bronze]

thanks

[lapis magnet]

is it okay now to play with out ravager? with new leg

[glacial skiff]

You can sim legendaries on raidbots from 190-235 so that’s a non issue. More gear doesn’t really impact covenant choices I’ve noticed this tier. Not yet anyway.

[sweet summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cSL69sHRanGTvTT6hXEeRP

[limpid anchor]

yo does the buff from reprsial show 6s for anyone else?

[strong forum]

Yes don't tell anyone

[sweet summit]

My character, no lego

[glacial skiff]

Maybe they reverted it because they knew we deserved it for 6s

[limpid anchor]

kk big secret

[outer bronze]

it does matter when im looking for tangible number differences across raid dps between being nf/ky and necro simp for current tier reclearing

if one cov scales better than another then 25+ilvl matters

[outer bronze]

nice one cheers

[glacial skiff]

Scaling .. lol

It’s a non issue current tier

[outer bronze]

if all cov abilities scale exactly the same then tell me, if they dont then i stand by wanting to know the diff on av actual toon

[sweet summit]

This was done before patch as well, i think thats worth noting

If it wasnt obvious

[lofty widget]

the dps of the covenant ability itself doesnt scale with ilvl?

[sweet summit]

But done as a ptr sim

[lofty widget]

or am i missing something

[glacial skiff]

The numbers should be approximately similar with/without gear.

[lofty widget]

so do one sim with necro and one with nf, subtract the two numbers; thats the difference in tangible numbers

[glacial skiff]

To my knowledge the abilities themselves all scale based on your own AP

Except the mastery from necro

[sweet summit]

Its less than 300 dps difference between emeni simp and nyia burrs

[glacial skiff]

But don’t quote me on that

[sweet summit]

They all do except necro yeah

[glacial skiff]

I believe necro is a flat 400 mastery

[sweet summit]

Yep

[glacial skiff]

I’m kinda surprised it’s not just a % like nadja/theotar procs

[sweet summit]

Wdym

Soothing shade is not %

[glacial skiff]

But I understand why. That would probably make groups incredibly strong long term

Are you sure? I could’ve swore it was.

[sweet summit]

I dont think it is

Let me check

[glacial skiff]

The amount provided doesn’t say % but it does change I thought

[sweet summit]

Ye its 525 mastery

Dont think it scales with anything

[steep bone]

Hai frens

[wet compass]

erga why is there only 3 covs there?

[sterile moss]

eh. no pink parse on shriek for the new patch because the pug I did it with three phased him

[prime heart]

Hi guys, do any of the reworked legendaries change the prot bis legendaries or is it still the wall/thunderlord?

[wet compass]

reprisal good build it

[prime heart]

For m+ only or is it good for raids also?

[brittle dagger]

damn reprisal got a last minute change then? just crafted it

now 6 sec, free rev and 20 rage

[jagged pier]

was not last minute

[wet compass]

we aren't talking about any changes that may or may not have happened

[brittle dagger]

does that mean we get 40 rage from a charge?

[wet compass]

and we def aren't talking about duration

[jagged pier]

🤫

[wet compass]

https://tenor.com/view/silent-silence-shh-quiet-kill-gif-5018561

[swift orbit]

hey guys, guild MT warrior just got offered the DoS trinket 226, does it hold value for raid tanking as prot?

[sweet summit]

Cos venthyr apl was fucked

[sweet summit]

And i havent done a new one

[wet compass]

it's fixed now though isn't it?

[sweet summit]

Yes

[swift orbit]

He's asking for advice on weather to pick it or not, and I know nothing

[wet compass]

do new one please 🙂 I r lazy

also at work

[sweet summit]

Ill do a new one once i get home

😔

[sterile moss]

hakkar trinket is bis

[plush moat]

Yes its amazing

And they even buffed it

[wet compass]

hakkar trinket is super good but it depends on what other options are and what's being replaced for other options

[lucid lodge]

(its about me) got heroic sun king and 226 bladedancers

[sweet summit]

Man take that scale

[odd verge]

im still using my 184 hakkar trinket. feelsbadman..

[sweet summit]

Delete bladepoop

Look at the name

[lucid lodge]

alright clear ahahaha

[wet compass]

I mean those are both poop also I was asking what other gv options were

[sterile moss]

even if vault offers you a 226 chest to replace like a 200... I wouldn't pass up on the scale

[plush moat]

Also am still having a 207 shield my vault hates shields!

[lucid lodge]

stone legion trinket or OS/M+ shoulders (with the new reprisal leggie)

[wet compass]

I would? You can get a 210 scale and upgrade it now

[lucid lodge]

think about 5 people have stone legion in the guild now

[wet compass]

Scale then for sure

[sterile moss]

that's true.. but same for chest