You can parse HR and see it's dogshit
#protection
brave jetty
How's reprisal feeling for folks?
median tulip
I'm probably going with Anger Management. Because Avatar will be strong in M+ with the increased damage, free Revenges and BSC, and because without The Wall I want a means to reduce the CD on Shield Wall.
cinder nova
If you got a couple of high mastery pumpers (Fire Mage, Boomkin, UDK) then yeah it's great for your raid.
You lose damage otherwise.
solemn current
How's reprisal feeling for folks?
Having to force myself not to SB after charging
cinder nova
How's reprisal feeling for folks?
Feels turgid and veiny
brave jetty
All good things
mossy sluice
you should still sb after charge
brave jetty
What? Why would you for 4s?
median tulip
What? Why would you for 4s?
Block extends, it doesn't overwrite
median tulip
Max 18s
mighty valley
also avoids capping, gonna get a lotttttttt of rage on some pulls
sick sentinel
it doesnt eat a cast of sb stored does it?
brave jetty
would be shit if it did
median tulip
That said, The first thing I'd do after Charge is Revenge, for threat
solemn current
I was under the assumption that it didn't full extend, but either way I figured throwing the extra rage into an Ignore Pain would be more useful for the first few seconds
limpid pawn
for new conduits that drop
brave jetty
Nah you want threat
solemn current
Can it really extend to 18s though?
limpid pawn
is +15 mythic the highest ilevel for them
sick sentinel
Is Torghast broken still?
brave jetty
hotfixed
median tulip
sb doesn't use a global
True
brave jetty
just did one 10m ago
solemn current
Also, my SB still seems to be 6s unless it's a tooltip area on time remaining after charging or intervening
brave jetty
People swapping to Safeguard conduit?
mossy sluice
just dont tell bliz
median tulip
Look at your buffs
solemn current
I did look at my buffs, 6s lol. Same for you guys?
I'm going to take this silence as everyone rushing to test
shut summit
Also, my SB still seems to be 6s unless it's a tooltip area on time remaining af...
yep same for me
mossy sluice
nobody tell papa blizz
ornate sky
So if we intervene and charge instantly we only lose a revenge! Proc?
solemn current
Well boys, Blizzard only needs to know that it's still 4.
blazing condor
Tomorrow it’ll be 2 seconds
shut summit
sharp zealot
what's a good % of Shieldblock uptime in dungeons with Reprisal?
signal plover
200%
blazing condor
i saw a chinese feller with 210%
humble tusk
New meta tank?
sharp zealot
well I'm slacking HARD then
signal plover
nah DH still the only class that can cast meta afaik
sharp zealot
Should I just be intervening on CD?
brave jetty
Wouldn't SB uptime in a dungeon be highly dependent on a bunch of factors? How much you're kiting, certain bosses, etc.
delicate prawn
What are thoughts on Barghast's leash?
mossy sluice
nope
ripe seal
What are thoughts on Barghast's leash?
Overshadowed by other trinkets IMO
urban bane
Has anyone made a Banner CD announce WA akin to these Combust ones you see mages use? Working on one myself but im pretty smooth brain
delicate prawn
I should be fine running SLH and SMH, right?
signal plover
Wouldn't SB uptime in a dungeon be highly dependent on a bunch of factors? How ...
sry i almost always assume ppl ask about effective uptime
blazing condor
Scale is very nice to have
signal plover
not actual buff uptime
fierce lantern
@urban bane If you find one, please let me know!
robust surge
so whats the best key level to farm scale on rn?
ripe seal
I should be fine running SLH and SMH, right?
What's SMH?
delicate prawn
What's SMH?
Spare Meat Hook
blazing condor
Good for weekly chest and items. People with high rio will wanna join for the dps trink
Should be ez enough
robust surge
pugs can definitely fuck up a DOS tyr
ripe seal
Spare Meat Hook
Oooh, yeah I would use that over Barghast tbh, I have Barghast but never used It
delicate prawn
Oooh, yeah I would use that over Barghast tbh, I have Barghast but never used It
Rog, thanks alot! I have been trying to get a Scale from DoS just havent been lucky.
ripe seal
I use Dreadfire Vessel with either SLH or Sun King cheat death trinket
fading quiver
So ive done several dungeons with new reprisal and both ravager and unstoppable force, and I'm averaging 3.8k with ravager and 4k with unstoppable and I'm trying to utalize both as much as I can.
ripe seal
Rog, thanks alot! I have been trying to get a Scale from DoS just havent been lu...
Are you talking about raiding or M+ though?
delicate prawn
Are you talking about raiding or M+ though?
Raiding
blazing condor
Maybe assumes different pull-sizes
stable light
Whats the go to raid legendary now?
blazing condor
Probably wall still
limpid pawn
definitely wall
stiff tusk
is viscera of coalesced hatred alright? or does it suck?
stiff tusk
cool, ty
manic scaffold
what do you get for finishing the twisting corridor
sick sentinel
i'm sure it's not a good thing, but when i did torghast some weeks ago, they invited me and they are like "oh i know him, actual insane player"
but we didn't wipe or i get booted or nothing
lilac olive
sick sentinel
scale from de other side, anima from spires is what im using both from dungeons
sick sentinel
i can't say about raid trinkets and pvp trinkets for Pwar is probably omegalul
lean lynx
Sunking cheat death is hella nice
ripe seal
Raiding
Yeah ok, I'd say just steer away from Barghast atm, I've never had a use for It yet, although I'm only 7/10 atm
sick sentinel
i only want the one from blue guy or the dancer i guess
ocean bloom
Hey guys which fights on mythic are you gonna run reprisal?
ripe seal
Hey guys which fights on mythic are you gonna run reprisal?
Huntsman and maybe sludgefist
ocean bloom
i was thinking council too
ripe seal
I was thinking that aswell, but I don't see myself charging too much idk
ocean bloom
when im tanking the off boss i can charge a few times if i wanted to
tepid pewter
Maybe but you can just intervene the other tank while they arent tanking/standing next to you and utilize it that way
ripe seal
Maybe but you can just intervene the other tank while they arent tanking/standin...
True, that could work
ocean bloom
id intervene a dps
tepid pewter
Either way
tepid pewter
Yeah, Forgot we are just talkin gabout Sludge and council as of right now.
I wouldnt intervene on Sludge
at least to a tank
mossy sluice
idk how you would get use out of reprisal ever on sludge
ripe seal
I'd say on Sludge, don't use Intervene. You just charge after he does his stomp
But then again, you won't get as much use of It since you're chained to your co-tank
And he only stomps twice per pillar
fallow beacon
Necrochads: thoughts on Emeni vs Bonesmith for raid?
Thinking the undeath ability might be good for raid prog
ripe seal
idk how you would get use out of reprisal ever on sludge
Only on pull and charge back to him after he stomps
mossy sluice
yeah the opportunity cost is the wall though
ripe seal
yeah the opportunity cost is the wall though
Yeah true, I think during Sludge the wall would be better to have now that I've thought more about It
Reprisal could have a lot of worth on Council, Shriek when you're not tanking, and huntsman from my 10 minutes of thinking about It
toxic otter
slg too
ripe seal
Maybe yeah, haven't ran Into them on mythic yet though so dunno how It Is on that fight yet
toxic otter
I would think also has value on hungering
graceful pond
is gluttonous spike bad for tanking? wasn't sure about the healing it provided, if it was useful at all.
ripe seal
is gluttonous spike bad for tanking? wasn't sure about the healing it provided, ...
I tried It, I thought the healing you recieved was minimal, I reckon you'd get more out of another trinket
graceful pond
i figured, i know its bad for DPS just wasn't sure if it had a use as prot, was hoping it did.
sick sentinel
leech trinkets are never worth it
hardy radish
avg overall healing for a dungeon is like 5% for me with it with a 200ilvl trinket
so ehh
sick sentinel
i personally liked the bandage one from bfa, kings rest, giga absorb
hardy radish
real talk tho: reprisal is just... chef's kiss
mossy sluice
spike isn't bad
hardy radish
I'm already sad for next expansion when I lose this
sick sentinel
like in tol dagor on wolf boss you could just pop it and negate the damage of the aoe los shiv throw thing
brave badge
Is Safeguard worth using now in M+ w/Reprisal?
ripe seal
Can confirm, shield block gets extended If you're using reprisal If anyone was curious
potent anvil
Safeguard has no relation with Reprisal. You could have used it before Reprisal. All it is, is a damage reduction for your intervene target, so it was always good for helping them live something.
void grail
sick sentinel
did trinkets get rebalanced or no, i thought i read ptr they were all buffed
strange thorn
shuib is noob alert
amber herald
100%
viral rose
Is that the max ilvl night fae warrior?
lean lynx
I was there
amber herald
doesn't even know necrolord is the omega bis now, sadge
runic hollow
shuib #1 NA
brave jetty
Should BSC be a decent dmg boost over Booming with the swap to Reprisal?
brave jetty
Thanks!
ripe seal
legs or boots for this new lego
Legs mate, big stats
tepid pewter
Legs unless you do Mythic Stone legion
coarse kestrel
just heroic stone legion 😢
fast latch
Wait. I do mythic stone legion, does that mean I grab boots?
tepid pewter
You can get 233 Legs from Stone legion
fast latch
Whelp. Good thing I have shit boots.
Do we swap talents if we go reprisal? Is best served cold now decent for it?
amber herald
fast latch
Thank you! ❤️
atomic flicker
Ravagers utility in M+ is worth more than ITF in my opinion
patent osprey
^
atomic flicker
Raid it probly better to use ITF as its always been
patent osprey
^
patent osprey
@coarse kestrel no its worse ST
@hearty delta supposedly yes ^.^ after u banner, they can go to africa i believe
coarse kestrel
thank you
latent hollow
any prot still kyrian, are you using show of force conduit, or safeguard now with reprisal?
patent osprey
NF overall damage though is great ^.^ esp with korayn
safeguard is potentcy?
man i dont even remember @_@
atomic flicker
Cant go to africa during lockdown Pika
patent osprey
@atomic flicker My row boat will show you!
atomic flicker
What is the range on this banner I hope its atleast 6ft
waxen cradle
Still hanging on the edge of can I stand losing Phial, and the defensive bonuses of Kyrian myself. Me likey the damage of NFae though 🙂
torn gust
Really liking reprisal
atomic flicker
If you take reprisal and bolster you can achieve a 100% shield block uptime and watch Netflix while tanking
torn gust
Lol
waxen cradle
Still looking for a WA that tracks the Intervene/Charge procs of Reprisal, I am thinking I will just make one
patent osprey
@waxen cradle see thats the reason I go kyrian last on my Cov world tour 🙂 I don't want to get attached to it and then feel the loss 😄 I started with one of the worst covs, so now i feel nothing
waxen cradle
@patent osprey Dude I so wish I had 😦
atomic flicker
If you make something good send it to me I'm too lazy to make WA
vernal scaffold
I switched to Necrolord in preparation of this patch. The soulbinds just feel super underwhelming
Has anyone else jumped ship to Necrolord?
amber herald
waiting for people like yourself to tell me if it's any good 
lilac quail
Do we have a haste cap, or are we just going to the moon?
amber herald
MOOOOOON
atomic flicker
ripe seal
Has anyone else jumped ship to Necrolord?
Going to after raid on thursday
atomic flicker
There is diminishing returns but its up there
floral pewter
Still looking for a WA that tracks the Intervene/Charge procs of Reprisal, I am ...
Not sure what you mean. Any SB duration tracker should already include it
torn gust
I went night fae Instead
grand drum
Not sure what you mean. Any SB duration tracker should already include it
I think he means to track intervene and charge?
im using a tellmewhen that highlights them when they come back up
floral pewter
Oh, I like this one, which includes those: https://wago.io/Afenar_Warrior
atomic flicker
I went night fae Instead
Boo get on the necrotrain choo choo
cinder nova
What's the PPM on Niya's anime mastery thing
surreal nest
Do you lose up-time by spamming shield block or does the buff stack?
fallow iron
Stacks up to 18 seconds I believe
round vortex
yeah you can't really waste it unless you try really hard to
void meadow
Stacks up to 18 seconds I believe
it goes higher. there really isnt a cap
two shield block + bolster gets you to like 25 seconds
atomic flicker
Do you keep 25s though
void meadow
paper crystal
does torghast give soul ash? or broke
midnight stone
got fixed, just completed
shut summit
it goes higher. there really isnt a cap
There is a cap of 18s, only bolster let's you go past it
opaque moss
Is anyone considering or going necrolord on their prot warrior since the changes?
surreal plinth
Anyone have trinket recommendations for mythic + this week?
surreal monolith
haste>vers>mastery>>>>>crit
potent thistle
@opaque moss Join the Necrotrain
surreal plinth
Bolstering and Tyrannical, take defensive trinkets or still go dps/aoe trinkets?
night wadi
@surreal monolith sigh but why is most tank gear with mastery. Should i change loot prio to something else?
surreal monolith
a lot of people have pvp
oops, pvp gear*
they pvp a lot to get more vers gear
but I mean ilvl > everything unless it's a neck or rings
mastery isn't completely trash, vers is just better
night wadi
ok il start getting into rgb. thanks a lot
limpid tide
194 warrior alt, wanting to try some tanking; worth swapping venthyr to necro, or is it kinda up in air. I see the pin still recommending kyrian and NF for keys. but necro buff still seems pretty unknown. Who got keys already as necro today?
torn gust
Boo get on the necrotrain choo choo
never :y
surreal monolith
it just takes coordination and the right group comp to get the most benefit from it, I personally wouldn't switch if you dps a lot
elfin cedar
hey all, dumb question i'm sure has been asked a dozen times. Is it worth taking double time to get more uses from the reprisal legendary in m+? losing the on-demand stun/kick from storm bolt feels bad.
fallen hearth
Just leveled a fresh 60 warrior. Do the changes to reprisal make it worth crafting first?
hazy timber
Hey guys, which of the crafteable pieces would you say is better for reprisal to go with?
fallen hearth
Normally its the piece that gives the most stats
Legs most likely, unless your boots are better then your currently equipped legs
wraith hemlock
just saw the update on the reprisal leggo... Glad I didn't upgrade my thunderlord from the base 190 ilvl lmao
plush moat
rip i maxed out my wall like 2 weeks ago and now i have to farm dust again T_T
legendary looks really good tho
dire totem
Same but with Thunderlord 😭
plush moat
i mean is that money down the drain or are they panning like 2 legenadry equip at some point 😏
night wadi
5k+ for ilvl 235 right
wraith hemlock
NAH 2 leggo would be too op
limpid tide
That's 4 weeks of farming if get table missions and win
wraith hemlock
the wall + unbreakable would be OP as heck on big pulls in m+
well, for my guildie groups cuz they stand on all the possible shit there is to stand on...
exotic pike
so is it worth running reprisal and best served cold?
proper dock
Ya I was wondering about the talent selection using reprisal
I wonder if it would synergize well with best served cold and heavy repercussions
solemn magnet
BSc and AM
plush moat
good thing i didn't upgrade deathmaker for fury tho lol
stray sierra
does eu and na have the same torghast wings every week?
patent osprey
One question what is the best legendary for both raid and mithyc
the wall
plush moat
Reprisal now
patent osprey
I still think the wall is better for raid
plush moat
with the new patch
patent osprey
so for combination I think the wall stronger ^.^
wraith hemlock
One question what is the best legendary for both raid and mithyc
there is a pinned message
exotic pike
i feel like reprisal will make threat easier in m+
wraith hemlock
this one
exotic pike
reprisla grants free SB though
plush moat
like they also boosted thunder clap now
patent osprey
respirsal is good no doubt
but if I had to choose 1 legendary for raid and mythic plus
as if you did both then the wall :)
plush moat
well its more intresting thats for sure
mossy peak
Reprisal if just m+
exotic pike
I feel like it would be a super fun leggo
mossy peak
Even if you don't go over the top with charging and intervening mid fight it'll be great in m+ just for the snap defense and threat
exotic pike
gonna have to give it a try
plush moat
will take a while till i have it rank 4 T_T
void moat
Anyone know why Denathrius goes taunt immune?
patent osprey
I haven't tried reprisal yet in high m+ but I do worry it will make me not have SW up enough at high keys
patent osprey
AM relies on using rage to get SW back up... but in a relatively tight kite meta... it may not be up enough
wispy coral
Does charge with reprisal generate an additional 20 rage (40 total) or just 20?
void moat
But does anyone know why denathrius goes taunt immune?
patent osprey
the problem with reprisal in raid put wars in a bad habit or randomly moving the boss to charge
in instance u don't have to move
wispy coral
Lol idk what raid leader would put up with that
Reprisal on some raid fights would be so bad
On others it would be great (like sire)
patent osprey
even on sire though
lilac quail
You can use intervene too, not just charge
patent osprey
the boss doesn't walk it teleports
yeah but if you only intervene u lose half the value
just saying
the wall is just more consistent
wispy coral
P3 you charge and taunt together a lot
patent osprey
reprisal is a bit cheesy
if my tank in raid kept making sire teleport I'd be pissed as melee
plush moat
might even be bad with draven ventyr :X
lilac quail
nah
wispy coral
I mean if you’re tanking the boss don’t run from him just for a free shield block
The value is getting SB when you swap
lilac quail
stand still for 4s, leap and charge back if you really wanna try and be fancy
lilac quail
I'm probably about to have to find out 😦
sinful stone
so is AM+UF better option for AOE now over ravager? or at least similar?
plush moat
i can agree that moving random in raids might we akward lol
wispy coral
If you can set up your charge cd to line up with taunt swaps you’d get a ton of value from it
sweet girder
Quick question for us kids. Still bugged at 6sec reprisal or hotfixed yet?
wispy coral
If you’re trying to walk the boss to get uptime on reprisal you’re trolling
plush moat
well u can still intervene i guess to a melee
shut summit
Quick question for us kids. Still bugged at 6sec reprisal or hotfixed yet?
still 6sec
plush moat
but even if u leap and charge back he might still move from position, no ?
lilac quail
bosses will move if you leap and charge, yes
sweet girder
Weird. Just saw hotfixes for today and it aint fixed. If it remains might be worth goofing around in m+ afterall.
lilac quail
but it's what, 30 seconds uptime with no breaks if you charge, block, block, intervene, block?
sweet girder
but it's what, 30 seconds uptime with no breaks if you charge, block, block, int...
Which is the average of a m+ pack. So yes it makes sense
lilac quail
how long are boss swaps in this expac?
sweet girder
Reprisal in raid is just trolling. Be real :p
lilac quail
😦 I never built the wall then all my guild tanks lefffft
lilac quail
any fight where you're tanks spread and swap it's usable, same with add fights
your*
lavish oracle
It's encounter dependent, The Wall and Reprisal both have use cases
lilac quail
I wouldn't touch it on sludge
plush moat
still on sludge u can charge in after his stomp
lilac quail
ooh yeah, good point
lavish oracle
You can definitely use it on a lot of the early bosses
wispy coral
Yeah you could 100% play around new reprisal to get good value of the block uptime
Some bosses it will be troll though
lavish oracle
The last 3 are really the ones where it'd be dicey
wispy coral
Not all of them tho
lilac quail
I wouldn't use it on Huntsman, but it'd be fantastic on artificer and hungering
plush moat
u can use it if the boss uses a move u know he won't move from his position spot maybe
sweet girder
Until the bosses move like spastics and any semi-logical melee will tell you to f off
plush moat
otherwise it might confuse the raid lol
lavish oracle
Yeah, a lot of times on huntsman he's rooted while casting
wispy coral
You can just walk to charge range before your taunt swaps
frank spoke
im looking at logs, not alot of prots went necro it seems?
wispy coral
While your cotank is tanking
median timber
lilac quail
slam/leap/spincharge will put you about halfway through a second GCD, so you're not missing a lot
wispy coral
Prot warrior was world first
sweet girder
im looking at logs, not alot of prots went necro it seems?
Pretty sure its explained why in the pins
lilac quail
You can't macro target facing can you?
frank spoke
it just seems like the people who did went necro isnt even buffing the boomies/mages/dks
plush moat
pff am just staying Ventyr because i like it
plush moat
am happy with the 10% buff we got
lavish oracle
Yeah, Eva, I think a lot of people overhyped Necro, it'll probably be good for high end guilds, but I can't imagine like your average CE guild using the banner incredibly effectively
sweet girder
Its only good for a really coordinated group
Dont see why waste personal gain for any other moment
wispy coral
The channeled DR is useful
sweet girder
dreamy rain
hey guys, whats the alternative option for ravager? im only doing m+ and i really hate the playstyle 😩
sweet girder
Its why i gave up the meme life and went kyrian after goofing with necro
Fleshcraft is clanky as fuck
rugged yoke
both of the other 2 talents are decent, use the one you want really
rugged yoke
into the fray and unstoppable force are the alternatives
lavish oracle
UF could be really good after TC buff, jury's still out
warped mulch
Tough to give up the snap threat of ravager+spear with the kiting meta
coarse kestrel
real question here: is shadow oil and phantom fire still better dps after the buff than stone/str?
because it simmed pretty close for me before
rugged yoke
i'd prolly run into the fray, but alot of people think unstoppable is fun
dreamy rain
i miss the old playstyle with thunderclap. i think UF could be a good option? specially on fort. weeks with thunderlord lego
rugged yoke
yeah could make it work i think
dreamy rain
the next question is, is AM now the go to? i see synergy between UF and AM
rugged yoke
probably not, if you go thunderlords instead of a defensive lego, go bolster
sweet girder
Reprisal with proper usage*
rugged yoke
yeah thunderlords ass in ST
timber ledge
Reprisal on legs?
sweet girder
Wrong assumption :D
mossy peak
boots better long-term if youre full clearing mythic raid, legs better now unless you have good legs
rugged yoke
ideally on legs, but if your legs are like 226 and your feet are 200, might be worth crafting feet if so
mossy peak
people get real hung up on the difference between slots but it's super minor and pretty well balanced overall
rugged yoke
but legs better ye
timber ledge
already got Stompers on feet
dont wanna have to make another one when we get 2 leggos
rugged yoke
9.1 is probably gonna have you upgrading them, new bases and more soul ash, so i wouldnt worry about that right now
lavish oracle
I wouldn't base Leggo slots on this tiers itemization but that's just me
pastel sleet
talent changes with reprisal?
dreamy rain
@rugged yoke if i swap from thunderlord to the wall in tyranical weeks would u go AM insteat of Bolster?
rugged yoke
i think i'd only go AM with reprisal
dreamy rain
alright 🙂 thanks guys
rugged yoke
but if you have the legos, try out the different combinations why not
dreamy rain
yeah im sitting on 4k soulash atm... so question is, if im go the wall max rank or test reprisal. but i think the wall is the stronger option.
lavish oracle
Do you do M+ or raid more?
dreamy rain
im only doing m+
lavish oracle
Reprisal
rugged yoke
theres also the options of crafting both rank 2, and upgrading the one you like
this patch is going to stay awhile, and both are gonna find use
dreamy rain
yeah but i think, reprisal will lack on tyranical weeks
pastel sleet
with the 20% thunderclap buff is unstoppable force comparable to ravager?
lavish oracle
Nah, still good for tyrannical
vernal scaffold
I think the utility of Ravager is too good to pass up.
lavish oracle
Last I heard, people were still unsure as far as damage was concerned
Rage gen is still lower
Definitely a better option than it was before but I personally don't like UF in the new rotation
median tulip
Unstoppable force is kinda built around the premise that you're using Booming Voice and Thunderlord. It's not even particularly good if you are using those things, so it's flat out weaker if you aren't.
vernal scaffold
^
lavish oracle
I don't know that that's true, but you do you
onyx moon
So are The Neckbeards our best covenant choice now?
rugged yoke
i mean theres alot of synergy pieces with unstoppable force, i think its fair to say its balanced around using them all
if it wasn't, surely using those pieces would put it over the top
median tulip
So are The Neckbeards our best covenant choice now?
No. At best, the necrolord buff brings them up to being roughly competitive if you have the co-ordination to use the banner buff properly
rugged yoke
especially considering everyones using booming voice by default
lavish oracle
Well the issue before was that UF wasn't balanced at all, it was just bad
onyx moon
So Kyrian is still the go too
median tulip
Any of them work; choose whichever you want
lavish oracle
But the TC buff has a clear impact on UFs strength and we don't know how big that impact is yet
onyx moon
ill give em a shot worst case scenario i switch back
dusk moat
Any upcoming changes that seem large for raiding and m+?
versed bough
plush moat
i just realized door of shadows is also kinda awesome with reprisal if leap is on cd
onyx moon
eternal stats
sinful aspen
any good intervene + banner macro?
onyx moon
reprisal seems too good to be true tbh
sinful aspen
I need to slam my boomkin with banner
onyx moon
also kinda mad cause now i gotta farm for yet another lego
vernal scaffold
I wish I could refund my lego to be honest.
onyx moon
for real
rugged yoke
hopefully they give us a way to farm soul ash faster/more efficiently soon
onyx moon
i have a 235 TL and Wall
rugged yoke
and yeah refund would be nice lol
vernal scaffold
TL is going into the bin in a few hours, no regrets
plush moat
by the time they do that we already have it lol
median tulip
TL is going into the bin in a few hours, no regrets
Put it in the bank, not the bin. If we all stop using it they might buff it in 9.1
onyx moon
for real
plus TL is still decent in Mythics run it atleast until you get reprisal and over all i think the wall out performs reprisal in certain raid fights
vernal scaffold
I'm very tempted to craft Seismic Reverberation for M+ when I do keys below 14
median tulip
Oh definitely; The Wall is definitely the play in many Raid fights. There simply aren't that many Raid fight where you need to have Reprisal's uptime, due to tank swapping mechanics.
onyx moon
but in Mythic plus tho Reprisal gonna do work
median tulip
Ansolutely
plush moat
Are we like the only class that have a legendary now thats better ? XD or am i missing somthing
onyx moon
no i think you are correct
quiet perch
Is the 10% dmg buff and TC buff noticeable in M+? Or very minor overall?
onyx moon
nothing minor about a 10% damage buff
generating threat will be easier now
Ive personally taken notice of the dps increase
plush moat
Lol i was already used to using aoe taunt on packs were i was like: ok i will def. Lose aggro here
onyx moon
just when we get used to a play style blizzard over here like "they are getting too good lets change things up and disguise it as a buff"
looks like double up id gonna be better than storm bolt
plush moat
Idk about that, if your dps knows how to intrupt/stun sure but i think i stick with storm bolt x’)
onyx moon
yeah but the uptime on the SB
ocean bloom
COUNCIL DOWN FUCK FINALLY
rugged yoke
🇬 🇿
mossy peak
the real dark souls starts here
rugged yoke
level 1 complete
ocean bloom
only like 180 pulls and almost a guild meltdown lol
pure sun
ocean bloom
post patch kills be like
timber ledge
So with Reprisal we're running AM now right?
ocean bloom
yeah
timber ledge
Still Ravager?
median tulip
Anger Management, Ravager, Best Served Cold would seem to be the core talents for the nuReprisal
median tulip
You can probably go ITF instead of Ravager if you are Night Fae, maybe Kyrian or Necrolord too
balmy coral
I go ITF for raids
barren socket
Anger Management, Ravager, Best Served Cold would seem to be the core talents fo...
BSC better for single too?
median tulip
BSC better for single too?
I wouldn't use nuReprisal for purely ST raid fights; stick with The Wall there
onyx moon
i mean with reprisal we wont really need the rage from booming voice so best served cold could be good
onyx moon
probably not
since it just got released
however is M+ it will be superior than every other choice in raid the wall will be your go too
glacial skiff
sure, but wanted to see logged data for it is all
onyx moon
gonna have to wait a bit for that one most likely
lavish oracle
It's day 1 probably not a lot of guild have finished raiding yet
onyx moon
any of our conduits change?
placid oar
Hi guys, can i kindly have some advice if i should pick the neck? I have a 213 neck (Crit + Mastery with socket) and a 213 pvp weapon. Appreciate your feedback
brave badge
Im sure you know the answer to that
brave badge
Wep.
clear ruin
what are the stats?
signal plover
def weap
unkempt fox
can confirm reprisal on EU is still 6 sec
clear ruin
weap is priority
placid oar
what are the stats?
stats for weapon is haste versa
clear ruin
what! @unkempt fox
placid oar
ah weapon is priority, was initially thinking that i can farm and upgrade one from necrotic wake to 220
thanks alot guys
cos the neck is bis and that is where i was struggling
clear ruin
DOING KEYS NOW! 😄 100% shield
brave badge
Did some 14's today with new leggo, felt nice. I wasnt even using double time
brave badge
Im 220, full haste/verse
ebon wasp
Anger Management, Ravager, Best Served Cold would seem to be the core talents fo...
You like best served cold more?
night wadi
damn full haste is how much? guess i really need to grind pvp gear.. my mastery is so high 33%:(
unkempt fox
you dont "need" it for sure
night wadi
how else gonna passively mitigate magic
brave badge
I like Verse, really helps your healers out and I never lose threat.
night wadi
can u msg me how ur current secondary stats look? screenshjot. I need a role model
brave badge
I use pvp gear
brave badge
With the new valor system you can be more selective about your gear. Before It was PVP gear or ilvl
night wadi
what ur vers sitting at atm?
brave badge
26%
rich ember
is soul ash fixed yet?
hollow bolt
hows the new leggo feel?
mighty cairn
it feels quite good even without min maxing charges/intervene properly yet
mighty cairn
free rage budget/revenge and shield block on each pull feels nice
hollow bolt
oooh 😄 ima try it with anger management
that seems fucking POOGERS
hows the damage inc feel do we drop ravager for other things now?
torpid wolf
Wouldn't we keep it for damage still?
hollow bolt
not sure if we can swap 2 avatar one
mighty cairn
im playing around with bsc and AM
the larger issue is i went from kyrian to necro and can't hold aggro for shit
hollow bolt
im preety sure best leggo is vengence demon hunter
stoic igloo
rep is so fun lads
sturdy trench
cant w8 for servers to come up to craft tbh
spiral perch
anyone is trying necro prot?
glad scaffold
Im kinda annoyed by the meta of this expansion where the best legendaries are gona keep changing, which means more gold and torghast grind each time if you wana remain optimal...
night wadi
if my current legs are 220 and boots 213. should i still put reprisal on legs ilvl235 due to higher stats instead of ilvl 235 boots?
sturdy trench
gold needs to be important in a healthy mmo
and proffessions relevant so this is the best thing about this exp imo
mossy sluice
if my current legs are 220 and boots 213. should i still put reprisal on legs il...
yes
wet compass
The potency changes are nice at least
glad scaffold
gold needs to be important in a healthy mmo
that's fair, but choregast got real old
wet compass
looking forward to getting 226 execute now just need to decide if I should swap to venth or nf and grind
hasty crypt
Eh, torghast is a walk in the park as prot, sure a bit tedious but its not that bad imo
mighty cairn
tried necro prot for our 6/10 m reclear today - it's interesting but getting banner on the right targets isn't trivial
floral pewter
I suspect the Torghast events were supposed to break up the tedium, but they're way too conservative to actually change the experience
mighty cairn
although i'm still learning to play around it
errant forge
you just need to get them to stay inside u while hittin it
dapper coral
tried necro prot for our 6/10 m reclear today - it's interesting but getting ban...
You can pre-pop it on pull, which is kinda nice. That's what we were doing on Sludge tonight
sage brook
how realistic is it to do 15s as venthyr for someone new to tanking and with a decent healer
dapper coral
Covenant is irrelevant
hasty crypt
@floral pewter this event isnt even kinda fun either? The last one was pretty fun as prot but this one is very meh
dapper coral
Get a good route and play well and it's easy
lavish oracle
very realistic, all the covenants are fine
sage brook
That's what I like to hear, I have no excuse then. Thanks guys
lavish oracle
Venthyr is probably the worst in keys but you'll be fine
vernal scaffold
I did all of my 15s as a venthyr
sage brook
I'll just not use condemn I guess
dapper coral
Definitely use condemn if you were gonna push IP
hasty crypt
I mean Condemn is still pretty good
vernal scaffold
Condemn is pretty good don't shy away from it
glacial skiff
What's the consensus on which piece to craft reprisal on?
hasty crypt
It reduces their dmg against you too doesnt it?
dreamy rain
Ip-> condem
dapper coral
Legs unless you are killing M SLG
glacial skiff
i'll eventually kill SL mythic so can get legs eventually
latent hollow
most people say if you are killing mythic slg, craft boots
sage brook
It sure does
dreamy rain
But always make sure u condem the prio target
pastel kelp
im playing around with bsc and AM
go Best Served Cold with AM and reprisal and threat problem solved 🙂
dapper coral
Condemn's DR is about 75% of an IP, but only for that specific target (I think anyway, I play Necro)
hasty crypt
I havent really had threat problems, like at all, is that something prot struggles with usually? :o
unkempt fox
@sage brook got KSM as venthyr in january only pugging, so I envy you with your good healer
vernal scaffold
Hmm depends really on the pull and on your damage dealers. I'd say the issue is how little rage you have when you start a pull and you have to choose threat or mitigation. But usually Ravager removes any kind of threat issues for me.
dreamy rain
I hate ravager 😂
dapper coral
Before today, maybe a handful of times a week if I messed up, I'd lose threat on something on pull. Now, Reprisal makes shit a cake walk.
vernal scaffold
Oh no it's so good!
I can safely triple/quadruple pull with ravager without worrying about my aggro
dreamy rain
I dont know why but i really hate it
hasty crypt
Yeah I get that. Avatar + tc usually does it for the first couple of seconds tho them Demo and keep blasting and you should be gucci tbh
vernal scaffold
Sure if you're doing one pack and if you have avatar up
hasty crypt
Yeah ofc, I ran AM in m+ for a very long time this exp so usually had avatar for most pulls, so mightve been a bit different
torpid hill
I did a 14 mists to practice, gonna take a while to get in the habit of intervening out
and not try to immediately SB on engage
muscle memory
copper venture
does SB stack?
glacial ivy
Yup
dreamy rain
What Talents u running @torpid hill
copper venture
so i can blow both charges
glacial ivy
You can press it aftwr revenge
Immedietly
Better to build treath right away then go for mitigations
torpid hill
What Talents u running <@84397838083031040>
3311231 BSC/AM
glacial ivy
Bcs u get free revenge
torpid hill
feels nice to avatar more often :*)
grizzled nova
you can press revenge and sb at the same time.
Basically all of warrior dr is off the gcd.
void meadow
There is a cap of 18s, only bolster let's you go past it
Sorry this is late, but thank you for letting me know! I basically have just exclusively been running bolster these days.
torpid hill
err, wait, I can just blow all the SBs on pull and hang out for 16 seconds?
grizzled nova
yes.
placid oar
Hi guys, why is BV and Last Stand no longer the go to if we use Reprisal? Hoping to learn and understand why.
torpid hill
🤦♂️
torpid hill
I never paid attention to the duration, I just figured I'd have to time it
glacial ivy
I didnt change my talents
grizzled nova
sb stacks to 18 seconds with reprisal/cast sb.
torpid hill
6+6+4 no?
grizzled nova
you can force it higher than 18 seconds with bolster.
glacial ivy
So whats new talenta to plax
grizzled nova
No I mean the pandemic cap for sb is 18 seconds
sage rivet
guys whats hte best legenday and covenant for prot war?
torpid hill
are we talking 18s because of the bug where it's still 6s for reprisal supposedly? or am I missing something
dreamy rain
Check the pins @sage rivet
dapper coral
Reprisal, on Live, gives 6 sec
unkempt fox
It's 6 sec
glacial ivy
So they didnt nerf it
torpid hill
let's just assume after hotfix
glacial ivy
Great
torpid hill
pandemic?
dapper coral
SB doesn't pandemic
glacial ivy
What pandemic means?
grizzled nova
you can't stack past 18 seconds unless you use bolster.
placid oar
does that mean if i run bolster with Reprisal, it is not really ideal?
unkempt fox
Pandemic is a passive that all casters have that allows for 33% of the duration of DoT effects to be added onto new DoTs when they are refreshed
grizzled nova
lets say you have a dot that does damage over 12 seconds, but has a pandemic cap of 15 seconds, that means you can apply again the final 3 seconds without losing total dot duration.
dapper coral
where does the word pandemic come into play here?
The name comes from an old Warlock ability by the same name
torpid hill
got it, makes sense
torpid hill
so it's clearly less than 30% for SB if we're talking 18s
grizzled nova
shield block is similar, only it has what is effectively a 300% pandemic cap instead of 33%
ionic fern
does that mean if i run bolster with Reprisal, it is not really ideal?
Bolster breaks the duration cap for the time you have Last Stand buff active.
glacial ivy
Bolster breaks the duration cap for the time you have Last Stand buff active.
So what talents should be going then
torpid hill
so does that mean I could have been doing 27 second shield blocks with bolster for the past few months?
glacial ivy
Still bolster?
placid oar
Bolster breaks the duration cap for the time you have Last Stand buff active.
ah i see, thank you Mwahi! You are a life saver.. Am trying to understand and learn proper why going Reprisal we run BSC and AM instead of sticking to BV and Bolster
grizzled nova
so does that mean I could have been doing 27 second shield blocks with bolster f...
yep
ionic fern
SB just has a max duration cap of 3xAM.
dapper coral
So what talents should be going then
depends on the content
torpid hill
you mean SB?
dapper coral
depends on context
torpid hill
I don't follow what uptime would mean for anger management
dapper coral
I think they mean active mit
ionic fern
Active mitigation
torpid hill
that makes more sense
so IOW, stacking SB is bad unless you're getting hit for the entire duration
grizzled nova
I mean if you know you're aboutta use the whole duration of the sb it's whatever.
Usually I don't just double sb unless I want to pool rage for a double ip for something.
torpid hill
SB just has a max duration cap of 3xAM.
theoretically, we're at a potential maximum of 33s SB with reprisal + bolster, correct?
torpid hill
Usually I don't just double sb unless I want to pool rage for a double ip for so...
yep, makes sense. I'm going to have to experiment with this now that I understand the stacking
not often that you can just burn 60 rage on pull anyway
grizzled nova
Technically a 63s sb since both sb charges and intervene and charge charges will come off cd in that time.
torpid hill
ah true
I could see double time being an absolute blast if your comp has enough short kicks
not to totally discount the 4s stun of course
wet compass
man this patch is way too big 😦 I should have dled it at home
work internet is going to take foreverrrrrr
sick sentinel
Reprisal on legs or boots, Im not killing SLG Mythic anytime soon
solemn magnet
Legs~
amber siren
legs then
sick sentinel
Might do once my main has but wont be till end of tier anyway
take it haste/vers still?
amber siren
Yep!
wet compass
wow this is the first time I've completely filled the key section of the great vault and the first time I've gotten complete and utter trash thanks blizz 😦
eager phoenix
what's the valor upgrade cost of trinkets?
nvm, found it on mmo
hexed rune
I got sanguine vintage
cedar shoal
Covenant?
sour helm
Has anyone here tried new necrolord abilties
sweet summit
All 4 are good, with venthyr being the least good. Generally kyrian>=NF>Necro>Venthyr @cedar shoal
outer solstice
oh ffs.... barghat's leash myhtic + bracers + chest... where I already have 226 with haste...
clear ruin
Just did a 15 with reprisal... This is such a fun and welcomed legendary!
also it's 6 seconds not 4... .blizz dropped the ball and I'm happy about it
sweet summit
👀 👀 👀
outer solstice
don't you love bolstering storming?
snow tusk
i should pick a 226 crit/haste shield (currently 207) over a sire hc weapon (210 currently) right?
lofty widget
can someone help me choose alar 213 or wrists? i can buy a socket f or the new wrists btw
snow tusk
right, forgot 😄
lime urchin
Enjoy cruising on yer shieldblocks today bois!
cedar shoal
All 4 are good, with venthyr being the least good. Generally kyrian>=NF>Necro>Ve...
I play bit of arms and fury too, do you know what’s best if I like to do all content? Obviously not venthyr since it’s not as good for prot
outer solstice
I play bit of arms and fury too, do you know what’s best if I like to do all con...
you play NF if you want all speccs in all content
sweet summit
Those wrists are pretty minor. Id take alar just to have it sitting in my bags 
outer solstice
though you will be hampered in raid combat on ST fights
sweet summit
Prolly NF then mate. Its solid for all 3 specs
sweet summit
What neck u got?
mossy creek
what do you guys think about NF vs Necro for raid tanking now?
outer solstice
what stats are on that neck?
unique shale
crit/mastry
outer solstice
@mossy creek go for NF if you're asking
Necro needs a lot of setup to be worth it
unique shale
no mine is haste/mastry
outer solstice
and some crazy pumpers
sweet summit
210 HoA neck? @unique shale
unique shale
y
sweet summit
Neck or stygia
spiral perch
Just did a 15 with reprisal... This is such a fun and welcomed legendary!
ur nf?
sweet summit
/roll 2
shell hare
Is double time more valuable while Running reprisal or is storm bolt as an additional interrupt too important?
mossy creek
<@!144360689060937728> go for NF if you're asking
ahh ok, yeah im NF rn but not sure if necro is worth to swap to with the new changes
sweet summit
Both have their uses
lime urchin
Is double time more valuable while Running reprisal or is storm bolt as an addit...
Preference.
ornate sky
Storm bolt is love
outer solstice
@mossy creek 
for these questions always helps
shell hare
Thanks
cedar shoal
you play NF if you want all speccs in all content
Problem being every good classes in m+ group take nf as their bis
remote tusk
Did anyone else check the stats on their gear and see them changed?
crisp dragon
"added potency conduits" we literally only get the covenant ones from Denathrius xD
outer solstice
which is big
as they were only from the worldboss and the lottery
and are the best for most classes
crisp dragon
Well obviously it is stupid, but I need to getl uckyt killing him on mythic to get anything out of it
ripe valve
Bargast's Leach is kinda trash right ?
outer solstice
crisp dragon
Got some niche uses
ripe valve
I got a 20 ilvl upgrade on another slot so I think I'll pass on that trinket
outer solstice
always pass on the leach
visual drift
how good is now revanche as legendary compared to the thunderclap?
sweet summit
The what?
sweet summit
Revanche?
brittle owl
sweet summit
sweet summit
Reprisal is always better than thunderlord now
visual drift
Damn so need to go into TG again. Thanks
crisp dragon
Cross realm mythic should be open now, right?
woeful trellis
Yep
tame jasper
Cross realm mythic should be open now, right?
In Na since yesterday, in EU since last week
sweet summit
Cross realm was not a thing last reset for EU
crisp dragon
Nah, think it just got opened
sweet summit
It did
storm elk
Just to ask, my reprisal is now giving 6 seconds of shield block. Did they forget ot patch in the nerf or did they undo the nerf before it went live?
torpid hill
patch notes still say 4s
sweet summit
Probably forgot to change it
torpid hill
so probably will be hotfixed
sweet summit
Gonna get fixed soon i reckon
storm elk
Yeah i thought as much. Will try not to get used to it haha
ionic fern
Jep, make a cancel aura when you have 2s of SB left to get used to the "fixed" version.
👍
sweet summit
sweet summit
Just abuse it while you still can 
torpid hill
I'm still so tilted I'm only understanding SB stacking now
jaunty vector
how are all my prot homies feelin with the buffs?
orchid frigate
rising up 
ionic fern
how are all my prot homies feelin with the buffs?
Still at work. 😦
upbeat needle
have anyone tried running any m+ and see how dmg compares? Maybe some1 also tried going TC cd reduction talent when using avatar?
sweet summit
Tier lists POG
timber jasper
I guess The Wall will still be the going to Legy for raiding.
sweet summit
WE LOVE TIER LISTS
orchid frigate
hehe
sick sentinel
What’s % of base haste is needed to feel smooth?
ionic fern
That's personal preference. 👀
I enjoy 25%+
sweet summit
have anyone tried running any m+ and see how dmg compares? Maybe some1 also trie...
UF is still kinda dead, you run ravager in m+ even after the buffs/changes
ionic fern
Some play with like 15%.
sweet summit
31% haste chad ama
sick sentinel
Is that 25% with or without fray?
ionic fern
Go away you fury boy.
torpid hill
I was running haste-heavy and then started getting a bunch of high-vers items 🤷
ionic fern
Or arms, idk
brittle owl
69% haste is my personal cap
slender idol
tho we say ilvl is everything, is a 213 142vers/53 mast ring worth using over a 207 87 haste/129 mastery ring?
sweet summit
I can help you reach that @brittle owl 😳
sick sentinel
I got some work to do then LOL
ionic fern
brittle owl
😳
sick sentinel
I’m 12% base
There’s so little haste vers gear available compared to other combos it feels.
ionic fern
I just pick Haste + w/e gear.
eager phoenix
pvp m8
ionic fern
You would have to play PVP then tho.
torpid hill
I bought the crit/vers chest months ago before I knew :(
sweet summit
Nah u can do RBGs, thats pretty much PvE
brittle owl
rbgs are chill and fun
brittle owl
tho i prefer to degen 2's
sick sentinel
PvP will prob my life for awhile lol
novel lotus
Rolling my second prot warrior and I can't decide between vulpera and goblin 🤔
sweet summit
Uhhh
ionic fern
You can also just get haste gear from PvE..i've done like 0 PvP. 😂
brittle owl
you are a disgrace
sweet summit
Why would you pick one of the two ugliest races :/
novel lotus
Because I'm a menace
ionic fern
Why would you pick one of the two ugliest races :/
Yeah..pick Goblin.
sweet summit
Female goblin then
novel lotus
My main is highmountain
torpid hill
plka is slowly convincing me to go vulpera
brittle owl
thank me later
novel lotus
Nose for trouble is legit ya
woeful trellis
Me2 defect
brittle owl
yeah it's legit smelly
novel lotus
but goblin is great for above mentioned reasons
torpid hill
when he said it's like 10% of his self absorb it blew my mind
strong forum
It's a solid 100+ hps.
ionic fern
when he said it's like 10% of his self absorb it blew my mind
How did it only now blow your mind? It's been a thing since forever. 😦
strong forum
Never been a secret
sweet summit
brittle owl
ykno, in trouble
torpid hill
I mean, I only found out tonight SB stacks
ionic fern
Same.
torpid hill
next you're gonna tell me that haste is a good stat for prot
woeful trellis
🤣
brittle owl
some people find out you can turn with your mouse after 10 years of wow
torpid hill
A and D strafe for me, no key turning
inland cove
😂
sweet summit
Bro
Full body VR
brittle owl
full 🍆 body? 😳
sweet summit
😳
ionic fern
You guys...ugh..ok?
torpid hill
in general or
ionic fern
Yes.
sweet summit
Nah
torpid hill
the SSRIs are helping
brittle owl
diet is kinda all over the place ngl
strong forum
Eating well?
Definitely not
sweet summit
The fuck is a ssri
torpid hill
antidepressant
brittle owl
nah fam
torpid hill
wow is my distraction :*)
sweet summit
Mood
torpid hill
I could have continued playing my single player games
torpid hill
I used to bike for 2-3 hours without any food
to lose weight
sometimes my quads would lock up
had to bus home
ionic fern
Best idea for dieting is..playing WoW and forgetting to eat.
torpid hill
unironically bigly true
brittle owl
yeah but then you hearthstone on krosus
ionic fern
No.
strong forum
Best idea for dieting is..playing WoW and forgetting to eat.
Ha that's me with every game ever
ionic fern
You roll off the bridge on Krosus.
ripe mirage
should I craft reprisal on legs or on boots?
ionic fern
God damn monks
sweet summit
Legs
brittle owl
🦿
tame jasper
should I craft reprisal on legs or on boots?
Dependi f if you have access to slg mythic legs
ionic fern
Can't wait to go home and throw on my 190 Reprisal legs.
eager phoenix
:stonks:
brittle owl
bruh
woeful trellis
210 for me 😍