protection

[mellow patio]

10 keys

On tyr

[uneven mason]

I mean I think its more for the lowbies who have garbo gear

[grand drum]

key level doesnt scale how much valor you get?

[strong forum]

Just do 50 keys and you can maybe upgrade 5 gear pieces 10ilvl

[uneven mason]

narp

[strong forum]

Very

Fucking epic

[deep steppe]

10 +2 keys doe

[uneven mason]

its pumpers

[deep steppe]

[uneven mason]

how fast you think we gonna run out of +2s

[strong forum]

I would just do 12s

[uneven mason]

since like

[mellow patio]

Would all be worth it if I could get 226

[mild lintel]

Thank you for your help by the way! I appreciate it! ❤️

[fossil sentinel]

where is the valor dude

[spiral perch]

prot in bastion will be pelagos and in NF will be niya, am I right?

[uneven mason]

those 2s are going to turn into 5s instantly

to 8s

to 11s

[mellow patio]

Negative then you gotta do like 30 to upgrade the gear from that ilvl

[uneven mason]

lots of education going around.

[strong forum]

Just +3 12s

Just spam 12s

[lime urchin]

first 18 in time done!

[mellow patio]

Spam 14s and get your box ez clap

[uneven mason]

I Mean, I still need KSM

[strong forum]

Damn

I'm jealous

[uneven mason]

but I should have my HC

[lime urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vibing-vibing-cat-cat-vibing-dancing-cat-gif-18482815

[uneven mason]

HC clear down to 1 night now.

[crimson vortex]

How’s the damage feelin now? Is it noticeable?

[uneven mason]

so, freetime yay

[lime urchin]

american bois riding the endless shieldblocks yet?!

[uneven mason]

some

others are at work still 👈

[signal plover]

Blizz furiously typing up a post regarding their oopsies on the patch today

[desert folio]

just did 3k overall at 197 ilvl in a mists. anger management feels soooo much better

[uneven mason]

they'll address these issues in 9.1, unfortunately the Intern they had working on these systems has already starved to death due to the poor wages they get paid.

[crimson vortex]

At 197?! Jeeeeez. Running reprisal also?

[uneven mason]

I can hear the stampede of FoTM stompers incoming

[candid glen]

hey good evening, good day, question for the people who are already at 9.0.5
hows reprisal at m+ over 10 ?

[desert folio]

yes, running reprisal + talents are 1312231

dont hate on my war machine, i dont like devastator

[lime urchin]

you keybinded devestator?! you rock n rolla!

[half folio]

ok guys, how the new leggo is working in retail?

[signal plover]

Well it's not nerfed for one thing

[desert folio]

working as intended 🙂 feels great

[uneven mason]

Don't forget our new meta talents for 9.0.5

[solemn magnet]

1 first is a big yikes

[half folio]

So are warrior prot the new meta ?

[candid glen]

which are?

[signal plover]

Obviously duh

[sick sentinel]

@uneven mason LOL

Look at the Meta chasers that will start to join

[solemn magnet]

@desert folio are you necrolords, too???

[desert folio]

night fae

[bold wave]

So fellas, we becoming necrolords?

[sick sentinel]

No.

[candid glen]

who meta chasers ?

[half folio]

i'm asking because i'm not playin as warrior right now, so i need to know if is worth rerrol .

[desert folio]

first strike + reprisal + best served cold is huge threat on pull

[half folio]

ahaha

[sick sentinel]

I am just saying, watch this Discord blow up with everyone trying to be a prot warrior

[tender carbon]

Of course, I run with a boomie and mage with another friend who is unholy

[uneven mason]

We're used to it, 8.1 buffs were no joke for the flood of FoTM fails

[solemn magnet]

If it's not fun, it's not worth the reroll

[half folio]

and this is a problem ?

[fringe marten]

...lol...Dude why would he do that? He knows people will see that 'meta talent' pic and do that.

[uneven mason]

Yes, because FOTM chasers tend to argue and be toxic.

[sick sentinel]

I think people who meta chase are disgusting

So yea

[half folio]

i'm main pally prot since ulduar

[signal plover]

When your first question is "are warriors meta now?", ppl will react...poorly

[sick sentinel]

I hope all the new meta chasers use those talents

[desert folio]

where do you upgrade valor gear

[candid glen]

so indomitable or never surrender? ( i saw the picture for the new talent)

[half folio]

some times a change is good

[signal plover]

Ikari stop lol

[sick sentinel]

@half folio use those

talents

[fast grove]

should i take double time with reprisal?

[candid glen]

why would ppl use that talent picture?

[sick sentinel]

Youll be meta for sure

[fringe marten]

...please god...People will take those.../sigh

[uneven mason]

Weapon far too powerful for mortal hands

[amber herald]

damn my talents have been so wrong this entire time...

[solemn magnet]

Prolly not, but if you have good interrupts sure why not

[ionic fern]

Aight, aight. Let jokes be jokes.
A lot of new people in here looking for information so try and keep it clean and informative.

[cinder storm]

yes officer, this photo right here

[half folio]

dude, i probably have more CE and IO score than u. i'm here to talk about the changes. Why r u so butthurt?

[crimson vortex]

Best served cold over booming voice now with rep? And ravager?

[solemn magnet]

=/

[candid glen]

isnt storm bolt still better than double time when using reprisal ?

[signal plover]

OoooooOOOooOoo

[sick sentinel]

LOL, we found one

[deep steppe]

[sick sentinel]

WE FOUND ONE BOYS

[solemn magnet]

If you do 19s, you should prolly know

[candid glen]

people are comming for questions and ppl making fun of em. dunno . sounds douchey

shrugs

[solemn magnet]

I think so but that's a Judgement call, really. If your group is good on stuns/interrupts maybe you don't need SB, but it sure is nice to have.

[uneven mason]

Just a bit of fun with the meta boys thats all, this is the 3rd Xpac we've seen this, and we're quite used to it now.

[dark lark]

For those trying to craft Reprisal and doing Torghast first, Soul Ash is broken atm

[signal plover]

Yeh

[fringe marten]

wha?

(is there a legit issue with the patch?)

[sick sentinel]

That means they owe us double right?

[uneven mason]

It is generally, depends how many ranged interrupts you have in your comp (and how reliable they are)

[dark lark]

Just did an Upper Reaches 8 and I didn't get any ash

So RIP

[sick sentinel]

RIP

[arctic wasp]

does anyone knows if you can upgrade gear from H, m0 or worldquests with valor points ??

[candid glen]

i usually run randoms at 12+ i guess i have to take SB

[uneven mason]

just +s

[fringe marten]

ok; well that's sad..I have enough ash to make my R4 new pants, but I was gonna' bang out torg and make a quick rank 1 or 2 reverb for funsies too.

[graceful cobalt]

hi dudes for repisal our new Leggy choose Legs(better stats )

[solemn magnet]

It has to have the rank x/x tag on the item

[spiral perch]

korayn for war prot its ok?

[uneven mason]

probably a better idea, I Mean, at +12 some dungeons you won't need SB and so DT will feel a bit better

[solemn magnet]

Yeah, with first strike

[spiral perch]

and i think niya for dps (arms/fury) right?

[amber herald]

niya is for general use

I think korayn is dmg

[brave jetty]

so wait, torghast is fucked right now? for everyone?

[solemn magnet]

For most people.

[dark lark]

Yeah a lot of people are not receiving ash

[uneven mason]

most people

[candid glen]

so ive been night fae prot war since sl release, is niya or the other guy better ? for m+

[sick sentinel]

@brave jetty Some have done it, but for most its broken

[onyx geyser]

guess i'll wait to do torghast then

[amber herald]

it's a bad question because they're both good

most people run niya though

[candid glen]

meep

[dark lark]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321324/soul-ash-not-being-awarded-from-torghast-hotfix-in-the-works

have to redo it

[spiral perch]

well yes, actually venthyr but i starting to think switching to nf as fury with niya and korayn for prot

[arctic wasp]

is not patched yet, right ?

[spiral perch]

maybe is a good combo

[spiral perch]

holy shiet

[dark lark]

not yet i think

[half folio]

Necro for Prot ?

[amber herald]

all covs good

[spiral perch]

mmm, i think nf

[amber herald]

they're all annoyingly good tbh

[wicked vault]

just making sure, for reprisal legendary, we want to make Legs right?

[half folio]

i'm lookin for survival honestly, focusing on 21's

20+

[sacred roost]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2TC3iQPh728nvgppiVD3zC

other then changing stuff to haste, what should I be changing for sire fight?

[strong forum]

wft

[thorny plume]

Hey guys does anyone have an idea of which Prot legendary would be best for Mythic Sludge?

[sacred roost]

heroic 🙂

[solemn magnet]

Kyrian is better for survivability

[rich helm]

The Wall

[sacred roost]

@thorny plume probably, The Wall

[rich helm]

@thorny plume

[spiral perch]

the wall

[thorny plume]

Gotcha! So reprisal still just for m+?

[rich helm]

Fleshcraft OP

[strong forum]

youre simming with Windfury Totem active, i recommend turning it off unless you actually have an enha shaman in your raid

[sacred roost]

@strong forum I'm just looking for defensive help, he seems to tear me up pretty good.

[candid glen]

does the prot skill buffs and reprisal make it easier to tank in m+? atm im struggling with 210 at 12+s with thunderlords build

[strong forum]

swap on every wracking pain cast

[candid glen]

as in really strugling

[strong forum]

use SW whne you go throuh mirror

[solemn magnet]

If should help with your shield block uptime

[candid glen]

im using bolster

[solemn magnet]

Okay?

[candid glen]

isnt that enough shieldblock uptime

[spiral perch]

oh nice kyrian for survival

[solemn magnet]

Idk, post a log

[candid glen]

ah true

[solemn magnet]

If you're struggling with 12s at 210 probably doing something wrong

[signal plover]

Not if you're struggling in 12s

[cinder storm]

210 is sufficient to tank a 14 or a 15, you have to play better since you are struggling on a 12

[candid glen]

i see

i wonder what

[strong forum]

200 is enough

[cinder storm]

kite more, kick more, stun more, dont spam revenge, dont sit on adds

[cinder storm]

shh dont tell em that

[amber herald]

press s more (not a shitpost)

[candid glen]

charge , thunderclshieldslam , shieldblock , ignore pain on cd , stormbolt on casters , intervene to range ,

thunder clap

aoe fear if needed

[graceful sundial]

can you still block during fleshcraft cast?

[candid glen]

demo shout on cd , bolster when hp and shieldblock needed

[strong forum]

yes

[candid glen]

pummel casters

i dunno ,

[sacred roost]

Kyrian is still better then necrolord, correct?

[candid glen]

shockwave on cd + nightfae skill

[strong forum]

[stiff bear]

Fury main here but gonna play around with prot as NF next week when farming 15s for valor/gear. What soulbind and talents are preferred?

[uneven mason]

waaait

[spiral perch]

lol

[uneven mason]

the spec stuff isn't in the pins anymore

[sacred roost]

I did, it said Kyrain was still better unless you have 2 other dps that will benefit from the mastery increase, and it's a personal loss to dps to take it.

[amber herald]

so many questions today

[uneven mason]

Then you have your answer?

[sacred roost]

things change rapidly, apparently 🙂

[sterile moss]

Niya for your soulbind; icyveins has the talent build; reprisal for leggo

[timber nest]

how good is this bad boy?

[strong forum]

good

[late rampart]

so uh.... patch is live and we have the UNNERFED version of reprisal. Meaning full 6 sec shield blocks off charge/intervene

not sure if intended, but very nice

[plush tendon]

Thanks Ion

❤️

No one tell him though

looking at you shamans

[pearl quiver]

is it not 4s ?

[plush tendon]

no, its 6

shhhhh

[sterile moss]

considering the other not so nice flops I think we can conclude the intern died like Ikarikaze said

i.e. no soul ash

[deep steppe]

mhmm big shhhhh

[candid glen]

i think i have too low vers + haste
and wrong trinkets

[sturdy sable]

Looks fine to me

[sterile moss]

the top trinket isn't optimal, sure

[amber herald]

It won't be your stats

[sturdy sable]

It's more then fine if your looking for dps

[candid glen]

i have nothing better for that ilvl

[sturdy sable]

Then use it

[sterile moss]

just keep gearing up and stack ilvl

[sturdy sable]

A trinket isn't gonna make or break you

[spiral perch]

u dont need more vers?

[candid glen]

do i really have to start kiting at 12+s ?

[uneven mason]

No

[sturdy sable]

Shouldn't have to a 211

[uneven mason]

get better healers/DPS

[sturdy sable]

^

[candid glen]

im running pugs only

ok

[uneven mason]

big oof

then maybe

[candid glen]

thats why

[uneven mason]

PUG DPS can't kick

and PUG Healers suck

[sturdy sable]

^

[candid glen]

thats why im getting destroyed with my ilvl, dunno if i mentioned that

[uneven mason]

yes that is

why you're being destroyed

[sturdy sable]

Missed kicks will be your biggest hurdle in my experience

[desert dome]

it will be

[candid glen]

i got somelogs, lemme check

[uneven mason]

I can breeze through a dungeon with my guild healer

[sturdy sable]

Your kick and your 2 stuns can only go so far

[desert dome]

i didnt kick the second mists group and got one shot by the spirit bolt cast

[uneven mason]

and then a pug healer same ilvl will be behind me in HPS

[sturdy sable]

And reflect

[desert dome]

that's when i learned the true meaning of pain

[cinder storm]

Well...in your defense, I ve tanked 8 that feel as hard as 17s

[candid glen]

wait theres no auto updater for the desktop app of warcraftlogs?

rip

[sturdy sable]

Yeah who knew that basic bolt casts would rip through a tank given enough of them lol

[uneven mason]

This one requires a mass dispell

[sturdy sable]

Not the DPS that's for sure

[desert dome]

not that

[uneven mason]

Well in Mists that 2nd pack you have 2 stacks of the double damage debuff

[sterile moss]

it usually gives you a button to press

[lunar jackal]

reprisal insane

supah fun

[true hazel]

Slimy Consumptive Organ any good?

[fading quiver]

first dungeon a +13 mists with reprisal

[uneven mason]

oh god, please tell me you're not running overwolf

[sterile moss]

organ is not good

[true hazel]

Ty bard

[candid glen]

no no no

[uneven mason]

[zinc creek]

@fading quiver how's the SB uptime?

[desert dome]

Pretty damn good

[outer spoke]

which talents u choose?

[fading quiver]

pretty good, doing a double charge is wonky in melee, but constantly interveneing the enh sham felt good

[sick sentinel]

i got a 213 haste/crit ring, so im happt

[dire totem]

Not Ravager?

[fading quiver]

wanted to pump damage with unstoppable, and since i didnt need bolster...

[atomic flicker]

Whats the CD on the new Necro Banner is it still 3min?

[edgy moon]

which covenant are u running @fading quiver ?

[uneven mason]

UF is behind ravager for dmg ><

[fading quiver]

im running venthyr

[sick sentinel]

I think Ravager is the go to still

[uneven mason]

at least according to sims

because ravager leaves you open to pump revenge

[deep steppe]

yeah rav is more dam than UF still

[outer spoke]

lol easy 5k with nf then xD

[uneven mason]

which hits WAY harder than TC

[amber herald]

rav/bsc/am with reprisal

[uneven mason]

I was hoping to have torghast functioning

[sick sentinel]

We all were

😛

[fading quiver]

with high avatar uptime and the new buffs, i was constantly critting tclaps for 5k

[uneven mason]

so I can craft both a Reprisal R3 and a R1 Seismic

[sick sentinel]

I need 900 ash for my rank 4

[uneven mason]

SO I CAN FARM MAW OF SOULS 1000x for ARTIFACT POWER

oh wait

I MEAN +2 DOS FOR VALOR

[sacred roost]

still can't farm ash, right?

[uneven mason]

DOS or mists for speedruns?

[strong forum]

HOA

[uneven mason]

I hate HoA

[strong forum]

its the fastest key

[uneven mason]

ugh

yeah I guess

[strong forum]

3 pulls and the dungeon is done

[uneven mason]

literally going to pull each side at once

[strong forum]

like.

[uneven mason]

yup

can't quite stack the boss on top of the first pull

[strong forum]

too bad its bolsterin

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[strong forum]

so LIFE SUCKS

cant do mdi pulls

god i hate blizzard

[uneven mason]

Now we know why they decided to introduce valor this week

"LOL no speed runs for you"

R1 Seismic it is

melt that trash asap

[sacred roost]

you can only upgrade gear you get today anyhow, isn't that right?

[uneven mason]

yeah

but no cap

but ony 135 per dungeon

that is so much farming

[sick sentinel]

where do i go to do that

[lapis iris]

Is BSC/AM still the go to right now for keys? About to run something and just want to double check before I ruin something.

[sacred roost]

thought cap was based on your highest dungeons achieve

[zinc creek]

135 valor per every keystone level isn't it?

[strong forum]

no

its 135 period

[strong forum]

with reprisal, yes

[wanton condor]

if you think you don't need bolster yes

[uneven mason]

They worded it badly on Wowhead

[uneven mason]

hard to need bolster with almost 100% without it

Its 135 regardless of keystone level

is how it should have been said

[lapis iris]

With unerfed Reprisal I think I'll try AM, I think I can keep a pretty high uptime on SB

Thanks guys!

[uneven mason]

not 135 for every keystone level

that makes it sound like a +3 is 270

[wanton condor]

it's a comfort blanket okay

[uneven mason]

with the UF conduit Bolster is solid pumpers rage

on a short CD

probably more than Avatar

[junior helm]

What is gonna be bis leggo for 9.0.5?

[mint locust]

Do we have an upgrade cost for One-Handed Strength Weapons yet?

[sterile moss]

[dire totem]

500

[sacred roost]

Is the upgrade vendor the same one for pvp gear?

[mint locust]

Thank you!

[sick sentinel]

what is it i need to craft rank 4

5150?

[sterile moss]

yes

[sick sentinel]

okay, i have 4635, that SHOULD be enough only have to do 1 torghast

[sterile moss]

[uneven mason]

gotta wait for them to fix it

[sterile moss]

^

[waxen cradle]

Is Ravager still pushing higher dps with BSC talented, I still cannot see UF beating its dps gains especially with all of the Revenge procs

[uneven mason]

Yes

[candid glen]

question about uploading logs . on my window theres different text files, which one does contain all? the biggest ?

or the "wowcombatlog" ?

[mighty cairn]

do +14 keys drop a guaranteed renown?

[uneven mason]

is that a 250mb log?

[candid glen]

214

is that bad?

[uneven mason]

eh

[ionic fern]

Nope.

[uneven mason]

no not really now that I think of it

[ionic fern]

Mines like 11GB

[graceful cobalt]

if i crafted it befor 9.05 will it change repisal or must i craft new

[uneven mason]

I've had a few that reached 19or so GB

but

[tribal whale]

hi, tomorrow the best legendary change?

[uneven mason]

thats because I Forget to clean them out

[candid glen]

should i just pick the biggest file on my folder to upload?

[uneven mason]

yes

[candid glen]

oh lol

[dire totem]

It changes to the new version

[candid glen]

so i can delete the small ones ye?

[uneven mason]

see what interesting stuff comes out of it

[candid glen]

kk

[graceful cobalt]

puh ok thx

[dusty warren]

just for check guys, reprisal is best to craft in Legs right?

[uneven mason]

yes for stat budget

ymmv

[sick sentinel]

i bet u there is some dude that logged EVERYTHING since vanilla he did

[pearl quiver]

on which part is it better to craft reprisal ?

[junior helm]

m+ painly i guess

[dusty warren]

ty guys

[uneven mason]

that would be in the terabytes easily

[cloud jewel]

Is there a macro to just intervene the closest friendly target for reprisal uptime??

[uneven mason]

just make a mouseover macro

[wet moss]

Will going necrolord make me popular?

[sterile moss]

legs; mentioned four posts above yours 😉

[sick sentinel]

i will only reroll necrlord for dank shield mogs

[uneven mason]

Good thing they have the dankest

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/PZps5et.png

this power needs to be baseline for TC

its would be so nutty in m+

[uneven mason]

I said that this morning

[dire totem]

Would really help with mob control

[uneven mason]

or if they aded it to UF

[candid glen]

nice interrupt

[dire totem]

Does that also interrupt? I don't remember from using it in Torg

[uneven mason]

I'd run UF if it became a vacuum

[strong forum]

it does interrupt

[uneven mason]

yeah it interrupts

[dire totem]

Fuck yeah

[uneven mason]

any forced movment n mobs

it'll stop casts that you can't interrupt/stun

its why NF is so stronk

[dire totem]

Probably be too OP then if we can mass interrupt every couple of seconds

[uneven mason]

Aftershock knockdown

[sick sentinel]

technically displaces and that stops spell casting normaly

[tribal whale]

what is new best legendary?

[deep steppe]

[dense flame]

Imagine if TC really did act as a grip

[uneven mason]

RIP my friend

[dense flame]

[sterile moss]

😦

[pearl quiver]

did not see ty for the response 🙂

[dense flame]

Idk I really think they could give us banners back

Like DH sigils. Busted brown class

[waxen cradle]

GIVE ME Disrupting Shout back MEOW!!!!

[uneven mason]

Skull banner when

[manic scaffold]

should i get reprisal or the wall

[wet moss]

Yes

[strong forum]

yes

[manic scaffold]

ok

ty lol

[half epoch]

yes

[waxen cradle]

Was talking to a friend the other day and was discussing the old Vengeance tanking mechanic all tanks had in MoP and he thought I was talking about DH's lol

[sterile moss]

for details

[mossy peak]

pokin' around with reprisal in torghast, this thing patches all the holes, feels great

[dire totem]

Gladiator Stance or bust.

[mossy peak]

can't wait for the nerf

[strong forum]

ready for tomorrow

[sterile moss]

someone should check how many were on this server today

[fading quiver]

crit haste 😮

[strong forum]

yes

out of spite

[waxen cradle]

I was like yeah man... taking damage made you deal nutty damage back then and he was like thats never been a thing Vengeance DH's could do... I laughed my ass off

[strong forum]

also im a dmg whore

[dire totem]

Dat parry tho

[stoic mural]

Crit haste, i like that

[strong forum]

i made sure to put crit first aswell

assert dominance

[manic scaffold]

i think i should make the wall first

[stoic mural]

If you start the wall is cool

[strong forum]

whatever you do more nacho, if you can just craft both at R2

[outer bronze]

isn't crit haste pretty legit if you're not gonna be pushing to the point of needing vers tho?

[dire totem]

Are you raiding primarily?

[strong forum]

yes

[cinder nova]

Bruh

Rubble is so OP

[strong forum]

Wall for raiding
Reprisal for M+

[cinder nova]

It's hilarious

[strong forum]

who

[outer bronze]

like for your regular 15 keys that'd be pumper i guess

[waxen cradle]

Would Crit/Haste be the play for that leggo ? since its pretty much a guaranteed M+ leggo

[sick sentinel]

what covenant i pick with reprisal?

[strong forum]

whatever you like alba

[mossy peak]

reprisal doesn't have an effect on covenant choice

[manic scaffold]

i do both but mostly mythic

plus

[stoic mural]

The 4 covenants should be legit tomorrow

[strong forum]

Venthyr for boss dmg
NF for big m+ dmg and good raid dmg
Necro for buffing others dmg
Kyrian for good m+ dmg and a debuff cleanse

[dire totem]

I'd say Reprisal, but the Wall is still legit.

[cinder nova]

@strong forum Does Skirmish parse higher?

[strong forum]

never simmed it

[cinder nova]

I guess I'll ahve to

[strong forum]

its like a less than 10dps difference i think

[sterile moss]

I like how you guys told Nacho "yes" then when he said he's going wall you have him real feedback 😆

[sick sentinel]

necro seems interesting

[strong forum]

ofc

just craft both

at r2 instead of 1 at r4

done

you can now play the game

[ocean bloom]

Reprisal or Wall for mythic council hmmm

[strong forum]

ill test reprisal on thursday

[stoic mural]

Yes it is, but it dépends of the team. ...Too much imo

[mossy peak]

i mean it's real feedback, you genuinely want both legendaries

[manic scaffold]

im scared

:(

i dont wanna craft a booty leggo

[mossy peak]

well if you don't trust people's advice here

[stoic mural]

Ancient Aftershock is incredibly good on packs. Especially against csters

[mossy peak]

then don't ask

go make whatever you want instead

or look at noxxic

[cinder nova]

☝️

[manic scaffold]

i do

[strong forum]

again

just craft both at low levels

and youre fine

[manic scaffold]

alright

how low are we talking

210 or 190

[lunar widget]

Should we run double time with Reprisal ?

[mossy peak]

however low you can afford to make?

[strong forum]

whatever you can craft both at the highest

like, if you can craft both at r3

[stoic mural]

210 is cheap

[strong forum]

do that

if you cant do r3 do r2

if you cant do r2 do r1

its pretty simple

[manic scaffold]

atleast you guys are actually helping and not saying "check the pins"

:)

[mossy peak]

which would also be helping

[sick sentinel]

Check the pins

[mossy peak]

since the pins also have these answers

[sick sentinel]

^^

[stoic mural]

Btw necro soulbind looks Nice on Marileth

And fleshcraft rework looks playable

[spiral perch]

Yeah necro looks good that buff will be for selected specs

Or am I wrong?

[blazing condor]

ya bois reckon its worth buying the runecarving vessel now (EU)

rather than tomorrow when patch hits

to save on that sweet sweet cash

[lilac quail]

didn't seem to have an impact on price

[stoic mural]

I think yeah. Not every class benefit from mastery

[thin mica]

reprisal on legs yeah?

[icy isle]

Anyways. Y'all know where the valor vendors at?

[stoic mural]

Still more dmg for them btw

[bleak plaza]

valor upgrade is with other upgrades like the pvp upgrader

[spiral perch]

Yeah, where are them

[manic scaffold]

im still looking for the vendors

[blazing condor]

If youre pushing mythic CN then its better for feet

since you can get 233 from SLG

[lilac quail]

is the covenant difference so drastic that Im gonna feel bad for staying venth as a dps main now?

[sterile moss]

Vendor is the same as teh pvp vendor

[spiral perch]

Im like liam neeson looking for those guys

[stoic mural]

Didnt see Sims on necro but you gain attack power from it. Dont Know if its better than kyrian or nf spells

[sterile moss]

aggressor zo'something

[deft vortex]

well, how are people liking reprisal so far?

[mossy peak]

it can feel bad to hit condemn on prot especially on aoe, but the damage is there

for bosses

so venthyr is not the worst thing ever

[shrewd bronze]

I liked the concept for Unbreakable Will for mythic+ as prot, what do you guys think of it? I can see many scenarios where the group mitigation would be helpful

[sterile moss]

when?

[stoic mural]

Yeah i really loved condemn time as prot. You can mitigate and bring some extra dps

[mossy peak]

night fae stonks are on the rise for both dps specs tho

[spiral perch]

I like condemn sounds

[mossy peak]

so if you ever get the urge to jump ship, that's probably the way i would go

[median tulip]

Avatar + Condemn hits like a fucking train

[sterile moss]

you could get another +20% from bv

[blazing condor]

35k for runecarving legs 😔

[stoic mural]

Which rank?

[blazing condor]

235

[outer bronze]

yeah same here, just bought

[stoic mural]

Seems fair

[outer bronze]

tarren mill eu? 😄

[blazing condor]

Twisting nether : D

close enough

[outer bronze]

ah ^^

yeh

[silver trout]

damn, 90k on my dead server :<

[outer bronze]

oof

[manic scaffold]

ok where tf are the valor vendors

[lone hearth]

same as pvp

u can even use then on in cov

[shrewd bronze]

Anyone thinking unbreakable will can be very valuable for mythic+ specifically? I'm thinking things like last boss in HoA, PF, etc?

[strong forum]

UW will be useless until you can wear 2 legendaries

[shrewd bronze]

Why would the group mitigation be useless though?

[dapper coral]

There are no vendors, the upgrade NPC is the same one for PvP

[strong forum]

youre giving up too much of your own survivability/damage to gain a group CD

[shrewd bronze]

Is it really that much?

[strong forum]

you lose alot of rage by not playing the wall or reprisal

which means less dmg, less IP/SB

[shrewd bronze]

I've been playing thunderlord until now...

[strong forum]

same thing there

TL is also a huge rage loss

to give up for a 25% group CD for 8sec duration

just for 1 or 2 bosses

not worth at all

[blazing condor]

The matriarch doesnt auto-pull with the bladebeaks next to it right?

in DoS

[teal quest]

Question, how is Reprisal going to work in a Raid situation?

as main tank*

[strong forum]

well

how do you imagine it

[shrewd bronze]

Reprisal sounds so trash to use though...

[dapper coral]

Execute better than Revenge @ 2 targets /w BSC?

[strong forum]

yes

[small oxide]

It will be good for lower level m+

[low kindle]

Reprisal is legit the most fun/ interactive imo

[strong forum]

what will

[barren summit]

I am so thrilled if prot warry goes BRRRR with the new changes in highkeys

[teal quest]

Basically Intervein to off tank and heroic leap out to charge back in, but that might mess up placement

[strong forum]

hence why its tricky to use in raid

in m+ its perfectly fine to use

[low kindle]

You probably don't wanna intervene an off tank if there's a taunt swap mechanic, might be better of intervening a melee dps

[strong forum]

but in raid its going to take perfect play

to beat the wall

[shrewd bronze]

I think ima just stick to thunderlord for m+ ...

It held me up to 20's so far so eh... fuck it

[strong forum]

TL is like the 4th best leggo now for m+

[deep steppe]

[humble ferry]

uhm why is the warrior on yumytvs stream night fae

[strong forum]

cuz its good dmg.

[humble ferry]

but isnt necro 'meta' now?

[strong forum]

no

[sterile moss]

no

[onyx geyser]

no

[deep steppe]

nah

[wanton condor]

meep

[barren summit]

do u think we will be WAY better with the changes? or just slightly?

[strong forum]

shuib only did 3.4k dps

[strong forum]

alot better

but not amazingly good

but alot better

[sterile moss]

haha I saw that 3.4

[humble ferry]

so kyrian is currently still best defensively?

[strong forum]

pmuch

[cinder nova]

Reprisal is so dumb

it's hilarious

[sterile moss]

wonder what his ilvl is

[strong forum]

shuib is max ilvl

[sterile moss]

oof

[strong forum]

yeah hes not a pumper

[gentle trout]

best served cold over booming? is this just for damage or does it help defense as well

[strong forum]

dmg

you dont need the rage when playing reprisal

[gentle trout]

word

makes sense

how have you guys been using reprisal to the max so far?

[ionic fern]

Eu

[strong forum]

Eu

[cinder nova]

Eu?

[gentle trout]

Eu

[compact palm]

imagine not having it already

bahaha

[strong forum]

there is my reprisal

[compact palm]

lookin like a eu reprisal right there

[outer bronze]

reprisal doesn't change our 45 talent row choice right? still ravager

[strong forum]

yes

[bleak plaza]

crit over vers?

[strong forum]

fuck vers

im a pumper

[waxen cradle]

Any have a WA to track the SBlock proc from Reprisal ?

[bleak plaza]

that doesnt look like seismic

[strong forum]

its regular SB

[gentle trout]

big parries

[cinder nova]

Doesn't Mastery sim higher?

WHy crit.

[strong forum]

no...

crit is best dps stat

[barren summit]

is there a guide to know how to play around reprisal?

[strong forum]

always has been

[cinder nova]

Every time I've simmed it sets mastery as my highest stat.

[barren summit]

it reads so weird for the first time doesnt it?

[strong forum]

not rly

charge = block

intervene = block

use it on CD

= success

intervene doesnt have minimal range so you just use it on a melee

[bleak plaza]

have yall been running double time?

[strong forum]

ill stick to stormbolt

as my group doesnt have alot of stuns

[sterile moss]

at this rate I'll be getting Reprisal at the same time as EU folks... need a bit more soul ash to get r4 straightaway

blizz...

[austere charm]

What is the best covenant for M+ right now?

[sterile moss]

, any is fine

[dire totem]

Not Venthyr

[compact palm]

can we disenchant legos for soul ash back yet

[strong forum]

hah

never

[compact palm]

😦

[austere charm]

Oh pins thanks

[lusty marsh]

I feel attacked, how could they need the harmless you of turnspeed.

How am I supposed to pass the time between pulls now.

[compact palm]

let me get rid of thunder its just useless now

[strong forum]

pmuch

[twilit jay]

any necro bois test out the banner yet?

[dire totem]

I'd kill for even a partial refund on leggos.

[strong forum]

whats there to test

[twilit jay]

i guess like how they feel with it

[strong forum]

weaker

[compact palm]

Stacking!

[strong forum]

cuz you lose damage

but your group gains damage

[compact palm]

DO I GET 4000mast from 10 banners!

[strong forum]

extremely likely

buffs rarely stack

they usually only refresh duration

[compact palm]

GIVE MY UH DK 4kmast on pull with army

[manic scaffold]

am i trolling if im venthyr prot

[strong forum]

no

but you will be weaker in m+

alot weaker

[manic scaffold]

im thinking of switching to necro but i wanna wait and see

[strong forum]

not alot alot but alot

[compact palm]

we can call that acceptible losses for parses

[manic scaffold]

idc much about parsing

[strong forum]

there is only 1 venthyr pwar above me in parses so idk

[compact palm]

you nf?

[strong forum]

kyrian

with NF, thatd be easy r1 parses

[languid juniper]

Weird flex nom

[deft vortex]

yeh nightfae feels great on prot warrior

[median tulip]

It's a higher single target offense, but you give up rage generation for it. I think it necessitates Ravager to compensate.

[strong forum]

NF would bump me by 200 dps, which is often enough for r1 or atleast top 3

[compact palm]

weirdflex

[strong forum]

[zealous wyvern]

even if you can get better stats on boots, it makes sense to put Reprisal on legs for the main stats doesn't it?

[strong forum]

more stats

in general

[languid juniper]

banner emote name finnaly changed

[compact palm]

will banner count towards the buffs it shows on wowlogs now like pi and fairys

[languid juniper]

Not yet

But will probably endup being the same

[strong forum]

it surely will soon

[deep steppe]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321324/soul-ash-not-being-awarded-from-torghast-hotfix-now-live?webhook

we live bois

[languid juniper]

US

[merry ocean]

Beta testers

[compact palm]

we get to rerun it if we didnt get any

xd

[languid juniper]

US is just test realm

[compact palm]

the sacrifices we make for blizzard

[sterile moss]

time to actually log in

[coral sierra]

The reprisal it's best to craft in legs or feet?

[strong forum]

legs

[zealous wyvern]

not feet

[strong forum]

unless you can / have SLG legs for now

[spiral perch]

It should be good if I choose korayn for tank m+ and niya for dps?

[strong forum]

its aight, but niya is obv bigger pumper

[woeful cypress]

200 dps inc for swithcing nf seems agressive

[strong forum]

its factual

niya is legit 200 dps more than pelagos

[spiral perch]

Oh well

Time to switch

[woeful cypress]

this seems like its simming old burrs tho, didnt they get nerfed even more

[strong forum]

burrs never got nerfed

it got fixed so it would apply on CCd targets

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/4iJjkOa.png

[strong forum]

in aoe i think it procs less

big

[shut summit]

ez choice on reprisal now

[outer bronze]

in aoe it procs less than it did, it was a nerf

[strong forum]

sure

[woeful cypress]

im never gonna get 233 box :/

[strong forum]

but we're talking ST

[outer bronze]

ah ok ye no diff then

[strong forum]

its still 150 dps

150 dps more than you get from pelagos

[lusty karma]

When people were talking about near 100% uptime with reprisal (pre-nerf) were they talking about that with AM or Bolster?

[strong forum]

AM

[outer bronze]

am

[lusty karma]

awesome ty

[cinder nova]

M+ is BSC/Rav/AM yeah?

With Reprisal

[strong forum]

yes

[lusty karma]

has anyone tried out necrolord? thoughts?

[outer bronze]

makes u weaker makes group stronger

[lusty karma]

so the commie option?

[outer bronze]

simp warr

if youre not raiding in organised grp its prob not worth

[dapper coral]

What Conduits are people using on Heirmir?

[fallow sand]

What is the consensus on Reprisal slot craft? I see some people making it in pants, is the stat itemization available that much worse? Or is it so if/when we can wear 2 leggos they are in different slots?

[mossy sluice]

legs more stats higher ilvl

[solid tinsel]

Hi, with the new reprisal legendary. Is it better to do it instantly in 210 (on legs), or should i wait a week to do it 225 ?
I'll be 25 ahes short to craft the 225 this week

[strong forum]

Bro

Literally

Above your question

[solid tinsel]

Sorry

[versed bough]

hahhaha

[strong forum]

[versed bough]

Btw Im getting unbreakable will which is better ring or chest?

Im thinking ring

[strong forum]

Chest

[low kindle]

I have 226 haste versa leech pants so i think it's better off to go boots?

[strong forum]

Legs have more stats

Way more stats

[woeful cypress]

i think it depends if you have access to slg mythic legs or not imo

[pseudo skiff]

im on the same spot, and my boots are 213, feeling bad about doing them on the legs

[versed bough]

ty @strong forum

[strong forum]

Shriekwing drops 226 haste boots..

[solid tinsel]

Thank you guys ! 🙂

[strong forum]

I got them like 5 times

[mossy sluice]

council drops haste boots as well

[lusty karma]

did the tclap buff make it worth it at all or is BSC with reprisal still greater?

[strong forum]

BSC with reprisal 📈

[lusty karma]

kk, will probably craft here in a bit and try it out

[outer bronze]

i still need two items from shriek and hes been on farm for fk knows how many months

hate2seeit

[mossy sluice]

any capers

[lusty karma]

ooh anyone confirm if !Revenge counts for the BSC buff (specifically the one where when procced it gets more)?

[dapper coral]

yes

[mossy sluice]

yeah thats the point

[lusty karma]

okay, was curious because wording of the talent hinted it might not, specifically "successful dodges or parries"

[strong forum]

K ima go to bed, you guys fight the fight of the same question 30000 times now! ✊

[lusty karma]

night!

[twilit jay]

do you guys use other specs to get torghast done? is there one thats just like way easier?

[shut summit]

i just do it as prot

[queen mantle]

would we use unstoppable force with reprisal?

[lusty karma]

prot is pretty easy

[deep steppe]

no

[queen mantle]

unstoppable + anger management

rip

i miss that build 😔

[past ginkgo]

Just run it as prot its not to bad with the damage increase powers

[deep steppe]

AM yes

[median tulip]

I'm going to use Ravager

[mossy sluice]

bless rng

[hardy radish]

I like how if you put reprisal on pants, the pants are just called "Reprisal"

nothing fancy like "Thunderlord's Stompers"

[lusty karma]

I run UF and hope for ITF talent anima because we get a fair bit of the avatar 60% inc duration animas which keeps it up almost all the time, would also run BV if you go that route, haven't tried with reprisal but normally you can also get the BSC talent. Lastly execute anima is bonkers

[hardy radish]

just... there it is

[crimson vortex]

Super dumb question boys, I’m venth, debating going nf or kyr, I’m leaning nf but is it a big difference for survivability? I play prot as fill-in offtank for raid and random keys <14, so not a huge deal but I feel squishy sometimes as venth.

[twilit jay]

@lusty karma sry whats BV

[lusty karma]

Booming Voice

[twilit jay]

oh ok

[lusty karma]

only because the Avatar anima is green so you can get a few of them to keep uptime 100% making the old AM/BV/UF combo not too shabby

specially with tlords leggo

[lusty karma]

You're already venth which isn't great for survivability, night fae would be better for M+, for raid not sure, better damage as well, and with reprisal honestly you should be good regardless of cov

Note I just swapped back to kyrian from venth, may go level the other 2 next, condemn wasn't as fun as i was hoping

[crimson vortex]

That’s what I figured, m+ is my focus and i main fury but I didn’t want to get myself in a bad spot if kyrian is just leaps better in both

My friend who doesn’t even have a warrior keeps saying kyrian all day if I’m going to tank in the future but I’m leaning nf

[lusty karma]

kyrian is more utility, spear for kiting and pot for necrotic or healing in general

[dapper coral]

For tanking, they're all fine

[mossy sluice]

you can literally play any of the 4 covs

[lusty karma]

yeah

[crimson vortex]

Dope, I figured. I just started noticing venth didn’t feel great as a tank for sure

[dapper coral]

some are better in some situations, but none of them are "must have" type things

[lusty karma]

play what you wanna play, it most likely won't be an issue

[vivid orchid]

if anything you do necro for the extremely well coordinated high key push, but otherwise meh

[lusty karma]

like minor nice things with kyrian is you can just solo tank dog in p1 huntsman and then pot the 3-4 stacks in mythic to drop it, same with SLG, but it's minor and taunt swap can also manage it (or make heals heal more)

[sick sentinel]

The NF caster stun lock is great though, ❤️ it

[meager locust]

I have two warriors both venth and kyr. They both can tank 15+ keys easily. Its all about playstyle and knowing ur strengths

[lusty karma]

but it's so minor idk, same for necrotic, it's useful but also can run a hpal and cheese it

[lusty karma]

this 100%

[meager locust]

And this is with signet lego. Lol

[sick sentinel]

Yea, you can play anything sub 20

I mean

[lusty karma]

How often do you just click off bladestorm with that?

[meager locust]

Legit pwople streessing on covs arent even 1%ers

Almost never unless i have a high prio inturrupt

[lusty karma]

or cancelaura

[meager locust]

U can pop shield block/ip in BS

[lusty karma]

true, i hate it in torghast is all

the anima power version of it i should say

[meager locust]

Yeah i notice signet is annoying as tank in torgast but BS GOES BRRRR

Play what covenant uou want. Like the biggest thing about vent prot is mozealla in tyrannical and being strong on bosses in meti cuz condemn

Kyrian is super great on trash and kiting but a ventyr can just drop a ravage and leap or interevene away and kite

Aoe int with nf is sick doe

[crimson vortex]

Awesome thanks guys.

[solemn magnet]

i go weapon here?

[vestal moat]

Having fun with reprisal so far except not so fun with storming lol.

[fringe marten]

just for the heck of it..jumped into random pug halls 13 to quick field test new pants; man...it's so good~ the block uptime is bananas. Was seeing if I could really abandon bolster; and I think we pretty much can without issue.

[vestal moat]

Number 2 is a bigger upgrade. 3 item levels is not so much for the weapon

[fringe marten]

Oh yeah storming is an unbelievably cancerous affix..I honestly can't believe it made it into game.

[vivid orchid]

it was funny the first time, now I just want to cry

[dapper coral]

Is there any way on Warcraft Logs to parse out how much was added by Brutal Vit?

[fringe marten]

hmm...not sure? But I also don't know when I'd run Brutal Vit over our other options.

[vivid orchid]

there is a button i think to filter damage events that trigger IP aura

[dapper coral]

You pretty much run triple endurance on Heirmir

[fringe marten]

ahh..ok I'm staying kyrian for the time being so; still hard locked into pelagos.

[pine slate]

Anyone running NF?

[fringe marten]

and I ran safeguard instead of unnerving focus...since I ran Anger Man's; Not sure how great that is in M+? In raid it'll be useful tonight but...just because of the rage gen I may still keep Unnerving.

[amber herald]

quite a few nf here

[fringe marten]

Yeah; They're all viable and better for various reasons/situations atm..at least between Necro/Kyrian/Fae . Not sure how good venthyr is if you are really focused mainly on tanking? But it might be solid too.

[sick sentinel]

3 completed 235 lego s

[fringe marten]

I guess that was their goal initially; which is great really if they're all good and viable. It just creates a FOMO because you know one is the 'best' for some content you're doing but if you do raiding, and M+ (and pvp?? as prot?) then you're conflicted on what you want to lock into.

[amber herald]

meaningful choice***

[fringe marten]

My Tlords is only 225; I never upgraded to final rank because...? it's sat in my bags for months now. Reprisal is the first time I've really swapped out The wall because another option is REALLY better for M+.

Of course the first time we wanna try out the new legendary where we are charging, and intervening around constantly for rage and defense...is when there's tornados FKN EVERYWHERE.

[sick sentinel]

i THOUGHt i was going to go ham on m+

[ebon wasp]

Quick question - shield block doesn't clip, correct?

[rugged mural]

vs

[sick sentinel]

but then, i decided i dont want a heart attack

[fringe marten]

and the dps changes are immediately obvious.

[median tulip]

Stacks up to 18s (without Bolster)

[zinc creek]

damn reprisal is fun lol

[fringe marten]

Especially since I still ran show of force, even though it was 'meh' dps increase before.

[ebon wasp]

Awesome. So I could reprisal, SB, SB, and get 16 secs of uptime?

[sick sentinel]

not tried reprisal

[cinder nova]

If you're going Reprisal you should Charge > Intervene melee DPS

[sick sentinel]

im not sure what i make of it yet lol

[cinder nova]

Get that fat dick damage

It's so fun

[teal quest]

For reprisal we want to do Legs right?

[cinder nova]

yes

[ebon wasp]

great call

[median tulip]

Yes. Although it's probably not worth doing that when you could use the Rage to DPS some. You probably want to Charge > SB (so the recharge start rolling) and play it from there

[cinder nova]

If you ain't using it all on CD you doing it dookie wrong

[compact palm]

i forgot we get the wandering ancient mount today pog

[median tulip]

You can't really make a Rotation out of things that are as situational as Reprisal; There's a very strong case of playing the spec by ear

As long as you have Shield Block up, you're doing it right

[dense flame]

is there an intervene macro i can make so i dont have to mouseover or anything. could be quick click for melee in party that i can adjust

would it just be /cast @ player intervene?

[mossy sluice]

yeah but why not mouseover

[candid path]

/cast [@Dave] Intervene

[teal quest]

any tips on what stats for reprisal?

[candid path]

assuming you're wanting to intervene Dave

[mossy sluice]

haste vers

[verbal raft]

So the reworked Reprisal. Does it cast Revenge when you arrive at your target? or do something different

[teal quest]

ok thanks @mossy sluice

[candid path]

you can also do [@near wagons]

[dense flame]

legit. thanks!

[candid path]

it grants a free revenge proc

[verbal raft]

ah ok

[median tulip]

I think you replied to the wrong person lol

[candid path]

sorry

[limpid pawn]

how many of oyu guys went nerolord

[candid path]

<-

[median tulip]

For the record, I use:

/cast [@mouseover, harm, nodead, exists][harm, nodead, exists]Charge; [@mouseover, help, nodead, exists][help nodead, exists]Intervene; []Charge

Charges either the mouseover target (if there is one) or my own hostile target (if I have one), or Intervenes

[candid path]

I don't think you need the exists conditional. help/harm conditionals automatically imply exists

[median tulip]

I put them in by habit because I've sometimes hit weird edge cases where it matters

[candid path]

ah, fair enough. could save you 20-something chars if needed

[sick sentinel]

Whats the best soulbind for necro prot warriors now?

[sand condor]

Emini or whatever

Last I recalled

[median tulip]

Also I might have written that wrong; I think the mouseover intervene part is before the no mouseover charge bit. Not logged in right now

[sick sentinel]

Ty

[blazing condor]

Anyone here who’s tried running Double Time with Reprisal. Any worth?

[candid path]

Heirmir is better for personal performance, but so are other Covenants. Emeni for group, which is the point.

[merry ocean]

Is there a macro to cast Intervene on closest ally player? 😄

[west kayak]

Bah, cannot decide on Reprisal or Seismic.

[wet wedge]

Idk if it's already been asked but Reprisal on Legs or Boots?

[mossy sluice]

just use a mouseover

[candid path]

legs

[mossy sluice]

why are you guys complicating this LOL

[obtuse kindle]

I'm not finding it in the pins, looking to make a Reprisal for OS, which... nm, @wet wedge just asked lol

[blazing condor]

Legs give more stats but theorerically its better on feet since you can get 233 legs but not 233 boots

[obtuse kindle]

Vers/Mastery?

[deep steppe]

Haste/Vers

or Haste/Crit

[obtuse kindle]

thanks

[quasi orbit]

Anyone try out the new necrolord?

Any pros/cons

[rugged mural]

Anyone have thoughts on the vault rewards I linked above? Chest/Shoulders

[median tulip]

Legs unless you have a realistic prospect of doing Mythic Stone Legion Generals

[mighty valley]

think I would take the shoulders - bigger ilvl jump, has haste, and hopefully if you're progressing to 14+ you won't be holding onto either one forever

[merry ocean]

same

[median tulip]

Are you going to Raid Tank with the Wall in the Shoulder slot?

[dire totem]

Not to mention that if/when we get to wear 2 leggos, you might want to use Thunderlords again with Reprisal. So not a bad idea to keep that slot clear.

[sick sentinel]

i just reaeched max soul binds too, so no way im switching cov

RK 34

[rugged mural]

@median tulip Yes, Wall on shoulders if I tanked raid. Focus is M+ though as we have tanks for raid.

[mighty valley]

I think if we get two leggos, it won't be til a later content tier and our current gear will be irrelevant anyway

[median tulip]

Eh, the fact that BSC and BV are on the same talent tier probably means that Seismic Reverberation will be the better choice to pair with Reprisal if that ever happens

[dire totem]

That's a good point...

[dire totem]

I have to imagine they will find a way to let us upgradfe leggos further with tokens or additional base item ranks.

[median tulip]

If you're mostly doing M+ then definitely the Shoulders

[rugged mural]

Thanks guys.

[mighty valley]

oh i see what you're saying, I was mixing it up with the point about the stone legion legs

anyway i'm not planning that far ahead haha, who knows what buffs/nerfs/new legendaries might happen by then

[median tulip]

I'm expecting that Legendarys will keep pace with the overall item level inflation as Shadowlands progresses, certainly

[lilac olive]

people running Reprisal on legs or boots mainly?

[dire totem]

lol all good

[median tulip]

Read the last 10 minutes dude

[sick sentinel]

do i need to change talents for keys with repr? assuming double time at the least

[dire totem]

DT is optional if you feel you still need to use Storm Bolt

[median tulip]

Double Time, BSC and either Ravager or ITF are probably the play

[sick sentinel]

that will feel weird

[solemn current]

No way BSC would defensively be better over BV

[sick sentinel]

no boomer voice

[lunar jackal]

@solemn current its not. Just for dam

[median tulip]

Reprisal already gives you both the Rage generation and the enhanced defensive (more Shield Block), and BSC improves your offensive capability. For M+, this is a strong play.

[lunar jackal]

But as @median tulip just said with reprisal u hardly need to take bv

[mighty valley]

Has anyone made double sure that BSC applies to the freebie Revenge! from Reprisal... I would be really surprised if it didn't, but still

[sick sentinel]

if u got a jesus healer with co-ordination can make BSC work on lower keys i guess is what it is

[mossy sluice]

wat

[hardy radish]

gonna test it, gimme 1 sec

yep it works

[sick sentinel]

doubtful, but heavy reprecussions and reprisal?

[limpid pawn]

is necro bis

[mossy sluice]

?

[mighty valley]

thank you 👌

[cinder nova]

I can't think of a lot of practical applications of Soul Shape outside of mobility for tanking.

This about right? 🤔

[astral crystal]

isnt mobility kind of the point of that ability

[sick sentinel]

HR increases SB up by 1 s, and reprisal gives SB, i don't think so but maybe it benefit?

[limpid pawn]

yeah

for kiting on some bosses like council it is great

[mossy sluice]

you already get insane shield block uptime from reprisal

[cinder nova]

There's a bind in Niya's tree that gives umm

5% HP per 3s

I can't imagine it being worthwhile

[mighty valley]

yeah outside of mobility, the mobility spell isn't great

[dire totem]

Heavy Repercussions is a pass. AM should be the play with Reprisal.

[solemn current]

So you think BSC would be more damage than the overall 20% of BV plus losing occasional 40 rage would still be ideal in higher keys?

[cinder nova]

HR is dogshit