protection

[night wadi]

Elysian hold fall u want no die rofl

[uneven mason]

Venthyr on warrior not bad with leap, Venthyr on my BDK is infuriatingly slow.

[night wadi]

all u*

[uneven mason]

You don't die faling off of Bastion

they catch you

[night wadi]

u wont *

i mean sorry fk

:p

[plush tendon]

Yea, we're talking about Sinfall

[forest fern]

elysian also has multiple ports to the "mainland" now also which is a bonus

[uneven mason]

Oh haha yeah

sinfall will kill you

[plush tendon]

you fall off there and the dredgers just laugh at you

[sacred gulch]

so with reprisal taking the lead spot for leggo's, we still didnt get anything to help us with magic dmg right?

[night wadi]

does reprisal work on charge?

says only intervene

[forest fern]

no directly, i mean more rage and more block up time means probably more rage to burn on ignore pain, not that that's much help

[sacred gulch]

the 9.0.5 change uses charge AND intervene, and gives shield block now instead of IP

[night wadi]

ah sorry, wowhead still not updated

[forest fern]

yeah its still both, it had one more nerf a couple of days ago but it was minor, 4 seconds shield block instead of the full 6 now

[amber herald]

current reprisal is so bad it doesn't technically work on intervene

you get it from attacks on the intervened target lmao

[forest fern]

but the rest of the stuff stayed the same as the ptr

[spiral wave]

will they ever revert the charge/intervene split

[night wadi]

but nerfed to 4 sconds right?

[amber herald]

who designed that legendary in the first place 🤔

[night wadi]

wish it still was 6 secs

[forest fern]

yeah nerfed to 4, that's not a huge deal though

[modern snow]

4 sec is still absurd uptime

[amber herald]

4seconds is fine it was extremely powerful before

[night wadi]

i wish they nerf shield block rage cost by 5

[sacred gulch]

I mean I guess it could help with initial pull survivability in M+

[amber herald]

OP

[night wadi]

and give it 10% magic resis

jk

[forest fern]

you can literally open a pull and have like the full "capped" sheild block uptime within two globals if you so wanted

which is a ton of up front uptime without any skill

[night wadi]

want to spend more on IP

[plush tendon]

Or we can be like DHs and get tattoos

cause they obviously need 15% magic DR baseline

[forest fern]

i mean you have more rage from it and those block from reprisal are "free" so you have tons of rage to burn into damage or more ignore pain for said magic damage

but yeah its still ignore pain so meh

[amber herald]

DH isn't some incredibly tanky tank if anything they're less tanky than we are

[uneven mason]

gives you 40 rage for an IP I suppose thats solid mitigation for magic..

[uneven mason]

inside of their CDs they're exceptionally tanky, they just happen to have more or less 100% uptime on one of their major CDs

[plush tendon]

IDK, my DH feels pretty tanky when in Meta, has 40% DR on everything and then just leaps away after all of that is up

[night wadi]

how about guardian druids? they are unkillable in bgs

[uneven mason]

Because of a broken lego/talent interaction

[forest fern]

yeah lot of 100% uptime goin around on other tanks also, paladin seems like it has that also with SoR

[uneven mason]

Guardians are very tanky

[plush tendon]

If Guardians werent druids, Id play a bear

[forest fern]

that's what sucked with our uptime

[uneven mason]

But paladins are squish even with SOTR

[amber herald]

we're on equal footing with guardian if comparing base toolkit, but bear has incarn which changes things

[night wadi]

we need more self heal

like them

[hardy radish]

indom is nice tho

[uneven mason]

Guardian also has a crazy strong lego that gives them a lot of uptime on mitigation/healing

[amber herald]

incarns crazy good

[night wadi]

yea indom is mandatory

[uneven mason]

no

We don't need much

possibly shifting IP over to mitigate magic at 90%

[forest fern]

honestly 75% ignore pain is a good middle ground start to help us without added self healing if they are just not wanted to design us that way

or yeah give it better absorb against magic

[uneven mason]

they're terrified of legion IP

[amber herald]

help us with what?

oh magic dmg

[hardy radish]

legion IP was insane to be fair

[night wadi]

yea we def need better magic mitigation

[forest fern]

or better yet make shield block and ignore pain more rage expensive and give us back MoP shield "barrier" instead

[night wadi]

even in pvp every class has magic dmg type

[forest fern]

then it becomes a "choice" system again

[hardy radish]

if they want to make IP a "real" mitigation and not just a lazy spender, they'll stick a cooldown on it

[plush tendon]

Yea, those plaguebearers after the first boss in PF are a nightmare

dem claws smack

[amber herald]

I think we're "fine" against magic damage I don't really get the whole warrior is bad at magic dmg thing

[hardy radish]

and I'd rather not have MORE cooldowns to juggle tbh

[amber herald]

we're not the best but it doesn't seem like something that needs fixing NOW about warrior

[forest fern]

its hard to put cooldowns on rage usage resource system though for it, which means they would have to remove the cost and then rage would only go into revenge which is boring

[chilly brook]

People like to say we're bad at things

Also we dont do well if things just go through and we dont have anything ready for it

[amber herald]

one thing I've noticed is people say bear is incredibly tanky but they don't get that it's because they're really good at mitigating physical dmg same as us 🤔

[forest fern]

if you aren't actively tanking, as in offtank and have a huge magic dot on you and no rage gen from being hit, then yes magic on warrior sucks

[chilly brook]

We're great against short bursts of magic damage

[amber herald]

and we're technically better at that than bear too

[forest fern]

the rest of the time its not "horrid" really

[mighty cairn]

was the aura buff on early PTR notes 10% damage and 10% healing? it's just 10% dam right now though right

[chilly brook]

Not so great at extended periods of magic damage

[chilly brook]

Bear is literally immortal inside of incarn

[forest fern]

out of curiosity i'm assuming "legs" would be best for crafting reprisal yeah?

[chilly brook]

Yea

[uneven mason]

I Mean for HC sire I learned to hold Avatar/DS for the long stretch of waiting for scorn to fade.

[amber herald]

true but outside of incarn we're better at mitigation than them

incarn facilitates huge pulls though which we can't do (sadge)

[forest fern]

oh yeah for sure there are ways around it but it requires more planning than some other tanks i suspect

[uneven mason]

Welcome to prot

The "proactive" tank

[forest fern]

oh i know its always been that way just makes you jealous when the work load on you is higher to not be smoked

[uneven mason]

BDK is pretty proactive now, which is ironic since their primary "mitigation" is a reactive heal

[plush tendon]

Tell that to my healers

[uneven mason]

Gotta plan that runic use

can't just slap deathstrike like a monkey

like you could back in BFA and Legion

well, 8.0 BFA

[forest fern]

I think i'll just be happy with reprisal that i can now charge into a pack and not have to choice whether to pound aggro and save the party, or pound mitigation and save the healer stress

[uneven mason]

that mid tier nerf on BDK sucked hard for them haha.

[plush tendon]

I dont want to talk about it 😦

Granted, nerfing my BDK made me play Prot War, but still

I miss infinite healing bonestorm and that 10% armor

[forest fern]

until you group goes "hey wheres out damn aoe death grip to cheese this!"

[uneven mason]

the 13% EHP nerf on WOTN was the worst part, since it went from being OK to tank M Fetid to "Whelp, guess I'll die then"

[plush tendon]

I dont remember doing Fetid Mythic Pre nerf since I think my guild was extending for Ghun

But I imagine you were right

[uneven mason]

I got my prot spot in Uldir because our BDK raidleader went from "haha I can outheal anything" to "BREZME NOW!"

[forest fern]

i will say one fun thing about dk atm though, my raid did shitty on our heroic sire kill the other week, and killed him with no members alive at the end cause the DK conduit that leave a spirit after they die finished the boss 🙂

[uneven mason]

meanwhile my 🛡️ was like "what oh? is the boss even hitting me?"

[night wadi]

is server downtime seriously 7am to 1pm?

[forest fern]

i mean its a content patch so probably

[plush tendon]

Yea, but youll never know the joy of beating all your healers on healing XD

[night wadi]

what is the content

[forest fern]

"content" lol but technically it is

[night wadi]

valor? LOL

[uneven mason]

TFW Half the raid died on Mythic mother crossing into the 3rd room and I basically AE DPS'd all the adds down and used vitory rushes to keep myself alive until the room went nuke about 40s later.

[forest fern]

its a feature! be quiet and pay your sub you slaves!!!

[plush tendon]

I love using victory rush on the last boss in Underrot

[uneven mason]

Yeah, I'd be like "just stand on me, I've got this"

[tired cove]

@ionic fern looking at your pins, if i see my prot warrior trying to intervine on sludgefist i'm coming for you with @raven ore

[plush tendon]

lep me clap and victory rush

[uneven mason]

TC spam keeps all the poofs at bay

feeds me HP

[wet compass]

wait until BDK can use two leggos

[forest fern]

doesn't intervene still have no minimum range, won't that not be a problem majesco

[wet compass]

it will be back to full on brain dead

[forest fern]

you can use it standing right next to your offtank

[uneven mason]

I mean

[uneven mason]

correct

I mean, warriors used to outheal everyone

[plush tendon]

what two legos though? There isnt that much great synergy with them

[uneven mason]

Inspiring Presence

[floral pewter]

using it on the offtank on Sludgefist means you eat both hits, which seems unwise

[uneven mason]

Gorefiends and CRW

[night wadi]

rip unli leaps

[wet compass]

okay wtf blizz 1 pm pst

[ionic fern]

Fair enough. 😂

[pine marsh]

Any NA folk could tell me what torghast wings are open this week hehe

[tired cove]

will when servers come up

[plush tendon]

Maybe? Right now the biggest issue with my DK is damage

[night wadi]

dk damage ur issue? Lol

they are insane

[uneven mason]

CRW is a DPS gain

[plush tendon]

Really, cause thats not how I feel XD

[devout pike]

ayo guys, if i ever switch from kyrian to necrolord, if i swap back to kyrian will i lose all progress?

[uneven mason]

He means blood

[astral crystal]

no

[devout pike]

POG

[astral crystal]

you'll have everything, not sure about the upgrades though

like sanctum stuff

[uneven mason]

Blood DKs are just below prot warriors for damage hehe

[devout pike]

dam thats good to know

wont feel as bad to change and tryout

[uneven mason]

altho in ST I Think they lead us

[night wadi]

@devout pike if u wanna bring anima with u buy gear that is refundable

[swift mesa]

Doesn’t it take like 2 weeks tho to get rep back with covenant you left

[night wadi]

but do it whe n u about to submit 2nd week quest completion

[uneven mason]

yeah 2 resets

[plush tendon]

Not by much, but yea

[uneven mason]

I just know that tanking normal castle on my BDK is pretty ez pz

[ocean bloom]

What mythic fights are you guys planning on running reprisal on?

[plush tendon]

Nothing does enough damage to kill you

[ocean bloom]

I'm thinking council would benefit a lot from it

[astral crystal]

yes, but you can cheese it just by doing the 3 quests on monday, then 3 quests again on tuesday

[plush tendon]

Therefore, BDK is basically easy mode

[uneven mason]

I mean, I'm talking no lego and 171 ilvl

[swift mesa]

Cool thanks. You have a criminal mind

[plush tendon]

My statement still stands!!!

[uneven mason]

guardian is in the same boat

thinking of it only lady D was annoying on my warrior

[plush tendon]

Granted, I wouldnt know now, my DK is 224 and decked in all the coolest purples

[uneven mason]

for normal

but that might've been people still learning the fights when we were all undergeared.

[plush tendon]

Darkvein is annoying as BDK since she has a 1 sec auto attack

[wet compass]

superstrain gives massive rp gen doesn't it?

[uneven mason]

CRW properly used gives more (post change)

[hearty quartz]

Guys with 180 ilvl where should I gear up?

[uneven mason]

M+

[plush tendon]

Not massive, but it is gains. Its from the frost fever chance

[uneven mason]

its effortless gains

is the important part

[wet compass]

I would guess SS and BM personally when 2 can be used

[swift mesa]

your covenant gives you 197 set. It costs like 5k anima

[plush tendon]

Naw, CRW and SS

[uneven mason]

Gorefiends and CRW

[plush tendon]

Byrndoars might is meh

[uneven mason]

after the buffs

[wet compass]

what are they doing to crw?

I've only paid attention to warriors 😛

[plush tendon]

They gave it the reprisal treatment

[earnest pond]

SS is the raid pref since you aren't tanking 100% of the time, CRW will likely be better in M+ as you are getting hit the whole time

[plush tendon]

SS all the way in raid; except maybe Council

going to try CRW for Council tonight

[earnest pond]

there is also the mark talent, try that shit on her

[plush tendon]

The plights of all your DPS DKs going boomkin -_-

[hearty quartz]

With that ilvl wich is the hard + I can?

[wet compass]

Xuen, the White Tiger is now vulnerable to Hibernate, Polymorph and Fear crowd-control effects. jesus why blizz

[uneven mason]

Push until you run into issues

[hearty quartz]

Oh cool

^^

Thx

[uneven mason]

and craft reprisal

[plush tendon]

We had a small funeral for our WW yesterday

[hearty quartz]

I just craft the Wall cause raid is the thing I Want to do

[wet compass]

it's amazing when "bug fixes" nuke a class

[uneven mason]

TFW you have a massive DPS cooldown that is unstoppable, and people cry when its nerfed.

[wet compass]

still no nerf to ret healing ....

[uneven mason]

Be bloodelf, dispell wings

[hearty quartz]

How many ash we get each week? Cause I can make it tomorrow I think

[wet compass]

oh so they only heal for 75% instead of 150% 😛

[plush tendon]

or be Goblin and rocket jump away!!!

[uneven mason]

1140

from torghast

more from tables

[hearty quartz]

Oh okay!

And last question, some tip for trying to take agro in a big pack? My dps are pulling a lot and I don't know how to manage

[wet compass]

ravager

also you can play nf and do stupid burst but much like normal shockwave requires setting up to get the mobs right

[hearty quartz]

I'm almost 30 renown as necro

I started a few days ago the warr

And saw 9.0.5 patch

So I go into it

[plush tendon]

30 already????

I barley got to 19, granted im lazy

but still ---

[wet compass]

Necro is only going to matter if you have the dps with the brains to take advantage of it

[hearty quartz]

But it's first time

I build a warrior so I think is faster first time?

[plush tendon]

Yea, but that mog though

[wet compass]

so basically not pre 20 and not below rank 1000 world being generous

Kyrian silver mog and Tree Birch mog >>>>>>>> Necro

[hearty quartz]

Oh

Didn't know that

And why dps need to do? So I can tell it to my friends?

[wet compass]

Basically play w/e you find most fun but necro's power largely comes from others

[hearty quartz]

With necro prot

[wet compass]

Pop their cds with the necro buff rather than not doing it largely

[plush tendon]

Banner gives stats to you and your two closest homies

[hearty quartz]

So we need to coordinate banner and big CDs?

[plush tendon]

Basically

[hearty quartz]

And why is so hard to people to do below 20?

Sry if question are stupid 😅

[plush tendon]

but hopfully there is some communication between you and your group and your DPS let you know when they are ready to bust

[gleaming veldt]

What cov gives the most dps in m+? I wanna meme now that I'm done with ksm

[plush tendon]

that way, you can get a big boi pull, get dat banner down, and and watch the fireworks as you desperately fight for aggro

[prisma bear]

i dont understand the fuss about this coordination thing pridefuls and bosses means even in a +5 pug key your banner will line up with a reasonable amount of cds

[hearty quartz]

So funny HAHAHAHA

[hearty quartz]

Wanna try that

When 9.0.5 come? Tomorrow?

[plush tendon]

Today for NA

or today at 4pm Est

[prisma bear]

emeni soulbind also gives all 5 people main stat for 20s on banner lol

[hearty quartz]

Lol

[plush tendon]

I also just remembered we have challenging shout.... I should probably use that

[hearty quartz]

So Tomorrow if I have enough ashes, craft reprisal for m+ farm?

[plush tendon]

I would get 1 reprisal, 1 wall at 190

Reprisal for most M+, Wall for certain dungeons should you feel the need and raid

[wet compass]

night fae mog though 🙂

[strong forum]

Yeah NF has actually matching stuff

Kyrian weapon and shield arent fitting at all

[wet compass]

they fit the silver one

[plush tendon]

cant complain about the Night Fae mog

[strong forum]

Ye but the silver one is ugly

[wet compass]

but the shield is too small

[plush tendon]

still better then Kyrian

[wet compass]

bite thy tongue curr

Silver is gorgeous

[plush tendon]

Small shields piss me off

[twilit jay]

man that new reprisal looks awesome

[spiral perch]

hey guys, new here. hope u having a great day. question, with 9.0.5 prot should go necro?

[wet compass]

that's why you don't use that one

[signal plover]

Pins :)

[plush tendon]

Its pinned, but the short answer, play what you want 😄

[spiral perch]

ah sorry

didn't see it

thx guys

love ya all

[signal plover]

https://c.tenor.com/0Be7LF3ccPoAAAAM/antm-j-alexander.gif

[wet compass]

see made silver good 🙂

[hearty quartz]

Meh

[hearty quartz]

This is dope

[wanton panther]

Do I dare bois ?

[spiral summit]

How does the M+ talent build change with Reprisal and AM in final row? do we take Unstoppable Force over Ravager? Or no?

[wet compass]

I think I'm going fae because I'm likely not raiding this week waiting to hear back on an app and apparently they review them on weekends 😦

[jagged pier]

BSC/Rav/AM

[lofty widget]

and maybe double time

right?

[jagged pier]

oh yer and DT

[fickle timber]

def double time

[jagged pier]

thats changed

[plush tendon]

Is DT worth more then Storm Bolt?

[fickle timber]

i never use storm bolt

i always have shockwave down to like 15 seconds

[deep steppe]

I use stormbolt like candy

[spiral summit]

think that would depend on group comp for M+

[modern snow]

SB is a reliable extra interrupt/stun which is incredible to have available for clutch moments. I use it on CD.

[deep steppe]

its extremely valuable imo

[modern snow]

If you have reliable peeps you can run DT np

[fickle timber]

i run into immune too often

dont need SB

[jagged pier]

thats not the point of stormbolt but i dont use it enough to make it worth taking of DT with reprisal now

[jagged pier]

probably becasue u have shockwave down to 15secs

[modern snow]

y im swapping to DT /w reprisal tomorrow

[plush tendon]

hey man, anything to have less buttons

Im with it

[modern snow]

preach it

🙏

[plush tendon]

If they could put shockwave into my shield slams, that would also be great

[jagged pier]

just macro it 🤷

[uneven mason]

Next lego Legion warbringer plz

[jagged pier]

not next leggo legion gloves

or argus 2 set

[uneven mason]

non DR AE stun on charge and intervene

[plush tendon]

also, how valuable are our potency conduits

looking at the 3 endurance and 1 finese build with bonesmith

[wet compass]

I'd actually find it interesting if some of the anime powers got turned into leggos

[uneven mason]

they're not

[wet compass]

like the shield slam does ww one

[deep steppe]

i only use the spear buff conduit

[uneven mason]

🤮

[plush tendon]

Give us the execute one

😄

[wet compass]

it would be free damage just give it some extra rage gen and you would use it don't lie 😛

[deep steppe]

[wet compass]

Yeah I would never use another leggo ever

if execute was on the table the entire fight

[plush tendon]

Or the AOE damage on Banner

[merry ocean]

Can you bolster the Gargoyle in HoA and then mind control it?

[uneven mason]

Thunderclap pulls up to 3 targets to you

[hardy radish]

that one is INSANE

[sweet summit]

it loses bolstering stacks when you mc it

[plush tendon]

I actually dont know.... I actually read bolster as PI XD

[distant crystal]

anyone experienced details giving wildly inaccurate overall dungeon dmg in keys

[plush tendon]

But super bolstered Gargoyle..... seems like new technology

[sweet summit]

if you die and shit ye it happens

other than that nah

not really

[distant crystal]

for some reason i'm like consistently showing 10mill or so less overall dmg done for the group than other ppl with details, uninstalled and reinstalled

[sweet summit]

compared to logs?

[distant crystal]

and the duration of the segment is usually a lot lower too

compared to another persons' details

[sweet summit]

ye but have you compared the two to logs

[wet compass]

details is weird

[distant crystal]

and no i'm not like afk dead for 5 minutesa per key

[deep steppe]

they cheating to buff their numbers obvi

[wet compass]

and only shows like half the dungeon for me

[sweet summit]

i havent had that issue before

[plush tendon]

The only details you need is the timer

[distant crystal]

@wet compass omg that's exactly what i'm getting

i removed and reinstalled but i don't think i deleted the data folder

[wet compass]

yeah no idea what causes it unfortunately

[chilly brook]

Good morning shield bros

[wet compass]

says who? I can't open my box of disappointment how is that good?

[outer solstice]

Mornin matt

[queen rover]

Which race should I play in horde to mid max my tanking in M+? Vulpera?

[wet compass]

Counterpoint Blood Elf Female

[outer solstice]

Differences are super smol

I'd go goblin and skip double time for raids

[wet compass]

aesthetics are the best racial

[queen rover]

Troll seems nice racial wise

[plush tendon]

The one you can stand looking at for hours a day

[outer solstice]

Yeah differences are minor

[fickle timber]

BELF isnt bad, i switched from orc

rage on deman and stripping beneficial effects is nice

[wet compass]

so blood elf female

[outer solstice]

Gnomes ftw!

[queen rover]

I am not the kind of person who cares about race visuals. I have my favorite plate tmogs and I can use it on any race

[rugged finch]

All Warriors go necro?

[wet compass]

also need a druid that doesn't look like garbo on horde

[fickle timber]

works on bone magus in ToP, work on stripping hp auras

[plush tendon]

I'm a male blood elf since I cant be a female simp

[outer solstice]

@rugged finch

[wet compass]

Bruh I'm looking at an ass for 40 hours a week it isn't going to be a dude

[plush tendon]

I have been debating gender swapping my toons to female

[untold turtle]

Does anyone know if banner has a max range to give mastery buff? Or is it just two nearest with massive range

[plush tendon]

I may actually follow through with it... granted a female Bjorn would be weird

[wet compass]

Do it it's free now can always go back

[uneven mason]

TFW people admit they fap to their characters, sad life is sad.

[deep steppe]

👋

[distant crystal]

@untold turtle I think @ionic fern said 15yd

[wet compass]

I don't fap to my character I just don't want to look at a dude's butt for 40 hours a week

[deep steppe]

[plush tendon]

The only female model I generally prefer over male is female night elf

but I dont play Ally so.... unlucky

[distant crystal]

femdorf

[uneven mason]

So look at the ground under your feet, like you're supposed to.

[distant crystal]

🍑

[wet compass]

female blood elf > female human > female nelf > female undead > uninstall game

oh wagglegoats are okay too

also why would I need to watch the ground that would imply being in bad shit

[deep steppe]

is this what we devolve into when we can't play wow?

[plush tendon]

Pretty much

[fickle timber]

mtg arena baby

[uneven mason]

Femorc > all that.

[wet compass]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-hataraku-maou-sama-devil-is-a-part-timer-manga-japanese-manga-gif-5486346

also season 2 of part timer coming out makes me happy but dear god what is wrong with you

[lime urchin]

US already cruising on dem shield blocks?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vibing-vibing-cat-cat-vibing-dancing-cat-gif-18482815

[uneven mason]

servers down for another like, 6 hours

[deep steppe]

US down for maintenance

[wet compass]

US is trolling discord waiting for box of disappointment to be available

[lime urchin]

Oh poop.

[wet compass]

only EU gets fast maits

[uneven mason]

This

[plush tendon]

Hey.... shut up.....

[wet compass]

I'm included in that though?

[amber herald]

fem dwarf > all

[wet compass]

monsters all of you

[stark gull]

OK im late to the party im sure, but Im here to ask an obvious question. Changes to Unbreakable Will legendary make it clear best legendary for M+, correct?

[fickle timber]

no

lol

[plush tendon]

people who play female dwarfs just want to watch the world burn

[distant crystal]

😍

[fickle timber]

not even a little bit

[amber herald]

they got a fat ass

[urban bane]

Replace with reprisal and you have winner

[fickle timber]

yaya reprisal!

bought all my leggo gear before the prices spiked

[wet compass]

the fuck is wrong with you

[amber herald]

perfection

[wet compass]

on so many levels

[fickle timber]

disgusting

[sweet summit]

Hot

[merry ocean]

oof

[astral crystal]

an absolute queen

[stark gull]

doesnt 2 charges of wall plaus anger management make it like a 1 min CD?

[fickle timber]

reprisal

[wet compass]

charges recharge independtly

one at a time

so no

[plush tendon]

I may be necrolord, but even I cant simp for that monstrosity

[fickle timber]

youre late to party, make reprisal

[sweet summit]

UW bad, let it die

[rich helm]

will stick with wall for raiding

[fickle timber]

reprisal for sludge lol

so many charge opportunities

[stark gull]

what does that mean they recharge independently? Its like any other charge related CD, right? Or no

[amber herald]

what's not to love?

[fickle timber]

make reprisal

[stark gull]

holy shit

stop saying that

im looking for an explanation

[fickle timber]

then google it

[rich helm]

dude

[stark gull]

whats the point of the discord

[grand drum]

They recharhe like shield block charges

[rich helm]

fragilay whats ur problem

[stark gull]

then

[twilit jay]

once cooldown, then the other charge coolsdown

one*

[sterile moss]

@stark gull the pins have an explanation

[stark gull]

thank you

[amber herald]

it's not very good because it has an 8min cd in total

[north trout]

it means that if both charges are on CD, the second charge doesn't even start recharging until the first one is off CD

[fickle timber]

this has been said like 20x in the last 30 mins

[stark gull]

I dont go back and look at every post since the last time i posted

Who let my mans in here

[distant crystal]

I feel like independently is a misnomer. That gives the impression that both charges are cooling down at the same time

They recharge sequentially

[urban bane]

Ya sequentially is a better word

[hushed spire]

is there any recharge interaction that does that? lol

[distant crystal]

@urban bane jinx

[hushed spire]

genuinely curiuos

[stark gull]

For example with the PvP talent on double charge of BoP. If I use 1 Bop, the CD will start

5 min recharge

[hushed spire]

🤔

[stark gull]

so if I use the 2nd 2.5 mins later

that makes it optimally 2.5 min cd

[fickle timber]

reprisal makes charge worth 250 rage

its broken

[north trout]

for the first 3 charges, yes, after that, no

[sterile moss]

Say you use two shield walls back to back. When shield wall comes back off cd, you will only have one charge to use, not two.

[distant crystal]

yup

[stark gull]

ahhh

[uneven mason]

the charges are consecutive (when the first finishes the 2nd begins)

[stark gull]

that make sense

right right

youre right

ok

[uneven mason]

making UW still literal trash

[fickle timber]

if double leggo becomes a thing

UW plus the wall probably a thing

[uneven mason]

then TW and UW will be a super strong combo

[sterile moss]

It would be broken for raiding if it applied to the whole raid.. but it only applies to your party (i.e. your group in the raid)

[stark gull]

Damn, cant wait to see what kind of wild stunts we see with reprisal

warrior tanks gonna be zooming

all over the place, badass

i mean they already do i guess

[fickle timber]

i dont know, i made a prot pally yesterday for jokes

[dark lark]

Is BSC/UF/AM going to be the play with Reprisal? Going back to pseudo BFA build?

[fickle timber]

prot pally is so much stronger than war its fucked

[uneven mason]

UF still crap

[fickle timber]

i got KSM last week and decided to see how easy everyone else has it

[dark lark]

Rip

[uneven mason]

paladins suffer from being squishy as hell outside of CDs

but they can dish out insane dmg

[urban bane]

Are there even many opportunities when you want to SW and the party is taking gigadamage too? 🤨

[uneven mason]

no

[fickle timber]

the fights are over so quick its a non issue, not to mention, the INSANE lockdown of casters

[dark lark]

Pally is basically build agro with gigadam during ardent defender and then kite

[sweet summit]

Not currently, no

[dark lark]

So a shittier dh

[uneven mason]

triple proc avengers shield wat

[sweet summit]

Maybe future raid/ dungeon

[fickle timber]

i love my warrior, but like, at ilvl 173 my pally is doing like 5k dps

no comparison

[urban bane]

Yeah I can’t think of a single one. UW pretty shit.

[fickle timber]

im glad i got KSM before trying another tank this xpac

because warrior was frustrating as hell

[deep steppe]

unlikely, hold on i have sims

[stark gull]

The free revenge is actually stealth SO good because it shoudl potentially get rid of aggro and survival problems we have

having to choose one kind of

with TC buffs

TC revenge every charge is no aggro drop

[fickle timber]

i find aggro is a bigger problem than survival

every pull its like, so, do i die or do i let a dps die

[deep steppe]

@dark lark Mwahi did these sims the other day. This is single target. I missed any AOE sims he did

[dark lark]

Make a pre made guild group? I was asked to switch back to war from dh for raid and I got ksm in a week

[fickle timber]

i pugged it all

[sweet summit]

AoE

[dark lark]

Ty

[deep steppe]

😍

[sick sentinel]

Exactly, I was feeling the same

[sweet summit]

No covenant/soulbind/conduit tho

[fickle timber]

not wasting rage on shield block is all i needed

for opener

[amber herald]

prot pally has it way worse than us because holy pala exist

[fickle timber]

having to pool rage between pulls was fucking stupid

[deep steppe]

i might go Rav/AM/BV just cause i like BV, but thats like 400 dps q-q

[dark lark]

AM/BSC is the play it looks like, with ITF for raid and Rav for M+. Cool thanks

[fickle timber]

in raid im sitting on 38% haste

[hushed cobalt]

Does the free revenge from charge (with reprisal) count for the 50% from BSC?

[uneven mason]

whos gonna run BSC/Seismic and make your DPS cry?

[sterile moss]

not sure if bsc is the play over bv in raid

[sick sentinel]

with reprisal you don't need BV, you get too much rage and free revenge so go for revenge dmg talent instead

[uneven mason]

yes

[deep steppe]

no i know i dont need it

[uneven mason]

its not

[deep steppe]

i just like it

[amber herald]

are those sims posted for seismic or reprisal?

[uneven mason]

thats just raw talents I think

[dark lark]

I just switched Necro so hopefully I can have banner every other Avatar for some budget bastion of might

[urban bane]

Reprisal

[sick sentinel]

I am still going for The wall in raids, too good to skip on it

but after getting Reprisal for M+, gonna try it on some fights in Castle Nathria

[fickle timber]

what about fights like sludge where there are lots of charge/intervene opportunities?

[vestal moat]

Why wouldn’t we go BV in high keys for at least some defensive value. Bsc has none.

[chilly brook]

Because

[uneven mason]

you're going to intervene/charge on the chains kills poeple fight?

[fickle timber]

the meta is pouding the fights as soon as possible

[chilly brook]

Reprisal gives you all the defensives you need

[sterile moss]

downtime with stomps and charges gives you time to recharge sb, and the frequent walls are nice with am and the wall

[chilly brook]

[sick sentinel]

I have never used charge or intervene on that fight, like never. I am not on mythic progress there tho so (still on council) but we will see

[fickle timber]

tanks dont have chains..

[uneven mason]

because demo shout still reduces damage by 20% with or without BV?

[hardy siren]

So with reprisal. if I charge, (4seconds SB), then cast shield block twice for 6x2 seconds SB)..... does that just give me block for a 16 second period, after which I can cast shield block again? like.... do I actually need to do anything special to keep it up?

wondering about double time, and spear, and intervene..... but maybe I'm over thinking that and I'll just have great coverage from the basic thing.

[chilly brook]

They do in mythic

[fickle timber]

oh rip

[dark lark]

Mythic sludge every player including tanks have chains

[uneven mason]

☝️

[fickle timber]

i havent done any mythic, i got AOTC, KSM, then ive been helping everyone else i know get their AOTC and KSM

[uneven mason]

ALso charging sludge sub 30% on HC is still a solid way to get your face crushed

and intervening your co tank is a good way to get your face crushed

[chilly brook]

Lol nah man

[uneven mason]

and interveneing a DPS is a good way to kill them

[chilly brook]

I always charged in

[uneven mason]

altho

[chilly brook]

[deep steppe]

thats the fun part

[sick sentinel]

Exactly, I just don't pretend not having charge and intervene in that fight 😄

[uneven mason]

I suppose if the charge gave you a 100% SB
it wouldn't be bad

[distant crystal]

double protwarrior tank M sludge

charge in every time ezpz

[uneven mason]

I wish my cotank was a warrior

[stark gull]

@distant crystal This guy knows

[uneven mason]

Paladin is always yelling "wait for me" like the fat kid at football practice

[chilly brook]

If you both intervene each other who takes the damage?

[deep steppe]

[distant crystal]

game crashes iirc

[uneven mason]

it enters an infinite loop and crashes the instance

[dark lark]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

mine is druid but still, we prefer doing it that way so we don't fuck up and it worked every single time for now

[dark plover]

Do we go reprisal tomorrow

For all content

[fickle timber]

For real why i couldnt main a pally. Fucking wheelchair

[dark plover]

Is it Gucci?

[stark gull]

apparently you do

[deep steppe]

[chilly brook]

[fickle timber]

when people say warrior have no mobility, im like, wtf did you just say?>

[dark plover]

[crisp dragon]

[dark plover]

[uneven mason]

just like popping furious discipline in EQ when a NPC enraged (10000% ripost vs 10000% ripost)

[chilly brook]

Like no meme

[dark lark]

They're just comparing it to dh and brew

[chilly brook]

Your question is in the pins

[deep steppe]

"in the pond" - Matt 2021

[lone hearth]

what conduits are better with emmni?

[sterile moss]

:checkthepond:

[lone hearth]

same as before?

[chilly brook]

Android auto correct can go die

[deep steppe]

[brittle owl]

stop using crutches then

[urban bane]

Ngl I thought you were being poetic or something

[wet compass]

dh warrior actually works pretty well together on sludge charge and leap hit around the same time

[chilly brook]

I usually don't it just likes correcting things I've typed that are actual words into something I didnt type

[fickle timber]

my last guild and current guild runs DH/War

i like the combo

[brittle owl]

just uninstall it

autocorrect is for grandmas and boomer memes

[wet compass]

but that was also with a dude I had tanked with for a year which we won't be doing anymore since ded guild 😦

[distant crystal]

even with 2 mobile tanks we always just walk in together on sludge tho

[uneven mason]

Like the Super Mario Brothers.

[distant crystal]

there's plenty of time to walk back without moving the boss

[wet compass]

imagine giving up free rage and damage time

[fickle timber]

lol

[distant crystal]

BUT...if we were both prot warriors with reprisal that'd be a different tale

[fickle timber]

i saw a LOT of people levelling warriors in the last 2 weeks

all the meta brains scared

[wet compass]

think is he and I worked really well together because we both maximize damage so you would have 90% of the raid between 60 to 80 and then the two tanks at 99 lol

[brittle owl]

meta brains

you mean 90% of the gaming community

[amber herald]

might be people who enjoy warr but were scared off by the nonsense

[fickle timber]

play what you enjoy>what some simp tells you too. I fucking hate what meta brain has done. declined for 90% of my dungeons because i was a warrior

[wet compass]

imagine not playing meta when it takes like 10 hours to hit max if you are going slow

[pastel sleet]

What is the second best dungeon trinket?

[fickle timber]

wasnt until i hit about 1280 io where people stopped caring

anima charged

[brittle owl]

i mean

[wet compass]

I just play fury for M+ 🙂

[brittle owl]

honestly

[fickle timber]

anima tirnk from SoA

[uneven mason]

AFE

[brittle owl]

considering how the average pwarr plays

[fickle timber]

i got a 226 that i fucked love

[brittle owl]

i really don't hate on people declining non meta

its a fucked up feedback loop

[pastel sleet]

Ty

[brittle owl]

but it makes sense in the grand scheme of things

[fickle timber]

i like AFE>macabre, more reliable

[uneven mason]

yeah I did a dungeon on my Rshm and spend half the time sending tells to the warrior explaining how SB works and that he needs to stop turning his back to crap.

[fickle timber]

i usually run AFE/hakkar trink

[brittle owl]

but having said that, i can't, for the life of me, understand how people fuck up prot warr and prot paladin

like, it's insane how bad the avg prot is

[fickle timber]

prot war was hard to learn

prot pally was grab and go

[brittle owl]

agree to disagree

[fickle timber]

prot war is hard because of all the multi rangerd/caster pulls

[brittle owl]

the prots are basic to play on an avg level

[chilly brook]

Imagine not playing what youd like when it basically doesnt really matter

[night wadi]

Lol comparing paladin and prot war

[brittle owl]

the only tank i can understand people fucking up is bdk

[night wadi]

Prot pally have aoe silence

[fickle timber]

the game has devolved into simple pulls and op tanks, and now we actually have to pull properly

[dark lark]

Block management. Most new players to the class don't know what to do after their second sb is on cd

[night wadi]

Ez pulls

[wet compass]

I mean I want to play w/e is best for my raid?

[uneven mason]

☝️ This, you really have to know the content as a prot warrior, paladin can just shit shields allover the place and those casters become melee

[brittle owl]

🤦‍♂️

[uneven mason]

Think of all the people who come in asking "Do I use IP or shield block"

[sterile moss]

we don't have much mechanical micro to sort out. just basic knowledge of the way pwar works and detailed knowledge of the content you're doing

[night wadi]

Exactlyand lots of self save

[chilly brook]

We can point and say "oh it'll be so much easier to do KSM as a DH" but the actual truth is it's so much out of your hands outside of routing it literally doesnt matter. Just hold aggro and dont die.

[distant crystal]

pink prot is the bis tank utility wise

[fickle timber]

yeah man. i just literally walk into keys on undergeared pally and blow shit up. Warrior requires pre-planned pulls and LoS or CD MGMT

[distant crystal]

if they could just live a bit

[dark lark]

[chilly brook]

Even less of a factor

[wet compass]

if pink prot could live everyone would run double pink prot

[distant crystal]

yep

[fickle timber]

Also, prot without hakkar trinket vs prot warrior WITH hakkar trinket

night and day

[uneven mason]

is true, paladins crumble at the oddest times

[sterile moss]

^

[wet compass]

I mean no bshout kind of matters otherwise tbh I would be playing dh with their 30 second cd shield wall

[brittle owl]

[amber herald]

I really think prot is more broken than prot was before reprisal

oh any tyrannical boss is about to hit you? goodbye I guess /shrug

[chilly brook]

Wat

[brittle owl]

it's the same way brown prot crumbles

[amber herald]

defensively I mean

[brittle owl]

bad cd management

improper understanding of pulls

they may have diff toolkits

but on the forgiveness side

they are similarily unforgiving

[distant crystal]

the best external cooldown is treants change my mind

[uneven mason]

Y, its not wrong

[fickle timber]

sanguine

[amber herald]

treants is OP needs nerfing

[uneven mason]

good thing the same dude who uses treants has a massive short CD knockback

[dark lark]

Why do you think top teams run Boomy besides the damage

[chilly brook]

Literally outside of world 100 it likely doesn't matter because y'all are making other mistakes than just not having "optimal" classes

[night wadi]

Do u guys on kyrian use 55% over 10 secs heal or the other?

[sturdy sable]

Yeah the tank with loh wog bubbles chest death is JUST as unforgiving as blocky bois

You right

[distant crystal]

treants soothe good battlerez and pride deleter

[dark lark]

Yeah boomies are amazing right now

[fickle timber]

LOL

[brittle owl]

i am assuming you're new to the game dosequis

[chilly brook]

Obviously having all the buffs is nice

[brittle owl]

and you dunno how other classes work

[dark lark]

I turned my guardian bear into a normal/heroic dungeon Boomy meme

[sturdy sable]

Lol

[wet compass]

Yeah that is a really dumb argument that I have always hated. Video guilds have worse players which makes having buffs matter all the more imo

[lofty widget]

im using it, mainly to get the big rally for my group tho

[distant crystal]

i turned my guardian bear into a boomy was well

[brittle owl]

but w/e

[sturdy sable]

Yes yes call me out instead of defending your points

[distant crystal]

Swipeboy the femnelf balance druid

[chilly brook]

If they're worse the 5% matters even less

[wet compass]

Like yeah limit can clear denny with a full raid of druids all at 220 but an average guild can't do that

[brittle owl]

just boomyweave wdym

[wet compass]

It doesn't

[chilly brook]

It does

[brittle owl]

live dangerously

[chilly brook]

The worse your performance is the less impactful % buffs are

[distant crystal]

i did a key as bear with my worldquest weapon and no legendary

it was pretty hilarious

[chilly brook]

That's literally basic math

[wet compass]

No it doesn't lol average guilds still hit enrages that wf level guilds were hitting the first week their performance is hard capped lower

[dark lark]

@brittle owl when I saw dorki do that for the first time on beta I had to try it. Boomy kiting ardenweald is SO fun

[wet compass]

because players are worse

[uneven mason]

Imagine 20 guardian druids all with restoration affinity

[amber herald]

boomy blasting as guardian is pretty fun

[uneven mason]

the passive healing on that

[wet compass]

I think you would hit enrages 😛

[distant crystal]

you don't do tank threat when you're out of bear form do ya?

[uneven mason]

possibly

[brittle owl]

you do

afaik

[amber herald]

you lose a lot of threat yeah

[distant crystal]

that's nuts lol

[dark lark]

No, it's just the normal threat modifier

[brittle owl]

its a spec aura

[uneven mason]

ok 5 with resto affinity 15 with balance affinity

[brittle owl]

not a form aura

[chilly brook]

5 dudes going 3k are getting far less out of 5% than 5 dudes doing 6k

[brittle owl]

oh

might be wrong then

[dark lark]

You still have to build intiial agro in bear form

[wet compass]

the 5 dudes doing 6k are easily beating the enrage the 5 dudes doing 3k are within seconds of it

[dark lark]

Then build distance to switch to boomy

If you open as Boomy you lose agro fairly quickly

[brittle owl]

build threat kite pop owl convoke

[dark lark]

Yeah

[brittle owl]

[chilly brook]

And we come back to the portion of the argument

Where you have other problems

Than a buff

[amber herald]

sometimes you can open with sunfire/convoke though if there's no melee dps

[chilly brook]

If you're at 3k

[amber herald]

or you just don't care

[chilly brook]

[wet compass]

Great but those problems aren't going to get fixed lol

[chilly brook]

They can

[dark lark]

You have to gather mobs anyway so you're just thrash spamming until you're at a safe position to go Boomy

[chilly brook]

And they should

Recruiting is always an open door

[wet compass]

They won't and they shouldn't I'm not going to boot people from a casual guild

[chilly brook]

If you're in mythic unless you have no intent of going anywhere then you're not casual

[wet compass]

lol there are different levels of mythic

[brittle owl]

casual is a very subjective term

[chilly brook]

And if you aren't in mythic is basically doesnt matter

[cobalt oxide]

there are casual mythic guilds

[amber herald]

my favourite thing to do with bear is the room before last boss in HOA, heart of the wild sunfire/convoke then incarn thrash everything. It's easily 20kdps

[brittle owl]

2 day mythic CE is what most people call casual

[amber herald]

but this isn't bear discord tbh

[cobalt oxide]

if you raid 2 nights a week I'd consider that p casual, mythic or not

[brittle owl]

some people call 3 day CE casual

[wet compass]

I know plenty of people who clear mythic on 2 days a week consistently tier after tier

[plush tendon]

I would say we are casual, we may advertise as a 2 night 3 hour guild, but we only actually raid for 5 hours XD

[dark lark]

Limit was doing more damage during their wf prog in heroic gear than most guilds are doing now. Guilds like my own still struggle with sun king shields (sigh)

[brittle owl]

honestly 2 day CE is the perfect balance

[sturdy sable]

^

That's what I do

[plush tendon]

Anything more then 2 days is too much

[brittle owl]

@dark lark that's a case for individual improvement

[wet compass]

Exactly dshoo your warlock isn't going to suddenly become thd it just won't happen

[brittle owl]

cand go further as a team if people need to understand their class better

[wet compass]

people don't get just how much time wf level players have put into the game

it isn't realistic for an average player

[brittle owl]

that's besides the point

[chilly brook]

I swapped from tanking to dps

[brittle owl]

wow isnt some 5head game

learning curve is there but it isnt unattainable

[chilly brook]

And I'm getting 80-90 parses as fury

[cinder storm]

wf players have resources, people who work with the guild to tunnel mats, your casual guild wont even compare to that

[chilly brook]

After 3-4 weeks of playing fury

[brittle owl]

just gotta be smart about it

[mighty cairn]

wow is p complicated for people new to the game or mmos

[chilly brook]

It doesnt take that much effort

[mighty cairn]

SL was my first expac and the learning curve felt rly steep at times

[brittle owl]

main challenge in wow isnt playing your class tbh. it's understanding how the game is fucked and where you can abuse it

[wet compass]

there is a world of a difference between an 80 to 90 percent parse and consistently being 99

[dark lark]

@chilly brook just out curiosity are you venthyr for raid and prot for keys?

[uneven mason]

my 7 year old is playing a hunter, she's 44 now

[chilly brook]

I've mostly been doing fury for everything I still tank keys every now and again

[uneven mason]

On this episode of "are you smarter than a 5 year old"

[wet compass]

I suggest looking at bdg's logs which are public and see just how big of a difference it is

[dark lark]

As venthyr?

[brittle owl]

@mighty cairn you sure the game learning curve was steep or was it because of people doing shit you don't understand at an unreasonably fast pace (dungeons etc)

[chilly brook]

Yea

[dark lark]

Cool

[hardy siren]

yo, struggling with something pretty basic. if I use shieldblock twice, and charge, is that 16 seconds of SB with the new legendary (6+6+4) or does it not stack up like that? I'm trying to workout if I need to be intervening and spearing, then charging back in, to maintain uptime or not

probably overthinking it

[chilly brook]

I'm more than aware of how wide the gap widens in the 90s

But what I'm saying is it doesnt take muchb

[mighty cairn]

@brittle owl i think it's prob both - the knowledge requirement to tank m+ is p high, but stuff like rotation/cooldowns, timing, and other mechanical things were weird at first

[cobalt oxide]

@dark lark if you wanna play prot and fury both, I'd recommend night fae, feels great as prot and is almost tied on ST dmg as fury

[mighty cairn]

but yah a lot of it is definitely knowledge/experience too

[chilly brook]

Most guilds clear with green or grey logs

[wet compass]

but going from that competent level to the consistent 99 level absolutely does

[chilly brook]

99s is farm shit

[amber herald]

it stacks

[brittle owl]

don't beat yourself up and keep at it. learning to tank is a very toxic experience, esp as a new player with no conmections in the game. but is worth

[wet compass]

Like look at someone like Sera who drops 100s at will and compare their consistency to someone who averages 90s it's huge

[amber herald]

you can get 27seconds of shieldblock with bolster and 2 charges

[hardy siren]

so we're just onto the good stuff? nice. thanks

[brittle owl]

SB stacks to 3x duration

[lofty junco]

I love ancient aftershock for the 3second micro interrupt

[brittle owl]

or somewhere around there

[sweet summit]

yep

but

bolster adds ontop of that

[brittle owl]

double tapping shieldblock is a very bad idea

[uneven mason]

parses are also supported by the rest of their team.

[pine marsh]

NA servers up yet?

[sweet summit]

no

[mighty cairn]

servers 3+ hrs right

[amber herald]

double tapping shieldblock during bolster is fine

because the cd of two shieldblock charges is 28 seconds anyway

[uneven mason]

bolsters 15seconds seems to ignore the cap on SB buff duration

[hardy siren]

I was mostly saying it like that to keep my example simple =p

[wet compass]

To an extent but they aren't getting PI spams I'm more talking about the consistency

[uneven mason]

Right, when your team has high efficiency

[brittle owl]

and the you run out of melee for 3 seconds and the ww legsweeps and you loose 2 autos worth of blocking

stacking a non 100% uptime AM is a bad idea and a bad habit to get into

[chilly brook]

There's a lot that goes into clearing efficiently

A small damage buff isn't the most important of which

[dapper swift]

hey wat slot should we craft reprisal on

[chilly brook]

Securing those buffs are simply trying to fix bigger issues for most people while not addressing the actual problems

[wet compass]

5% ap isn't that small of a damage buff

[hardy siren]

I'm reading legs, which is awkward as I had thunderlord boots before and no spare boots....

[wet compass]

There isn't a reason not to secure those buffs though

[dapper swift]

:c think we all feeling that

[deep steppe]

if your plan is to clear mythic, you can get higher ilvl legs than boots from SLG. So "min-max" ilvl would be craft boots i believe

[brittle owl]

if you can make boots

no reason not to

[hardy siren]

Nahhhh just M+ for me.

[hardy siren]

I think it's suggesting legs because you get more stats budget out of them - dunno how much though. if it's nothing I could see just making boots

[chilly brook]

Again highly dependent on your group

Like most things

The worse the group the more the gain actually falls off

[wet compass]

the worse the group is the more the gain matters

[junior horizon]

is prot actually going to be good in M+ with the changed or no? I want to roll tank cause im tired of shitter tanks but none of the other tank classes are enjoyable for me

[chilly brook]

No

[wide charm]

Heyy so, i know this question may have been asked a lot but will prot be good in m+ ?

[chilly brook]

Just as useless in m+ as we are now

[junior horizon]

sick

[chilly brook]

Honestly

Please just play the tank you wanna play

[brittle owl]

just play prot if you enjoy it

[junior horizon]

yeah im planning on it

[brittle owl]

if you ever get into a scenario where your class dictates your success

you'll know the answer yourself

[junior horizon]

i just dont want to not be able to pug anything because people actively avoid prot warriors

[brittle owl]

you'll want to grind io a bit but after that its chill

tanks are in short supply

[uneven mason]

Run your own key and make buddy buddy with any DPS who actually interrupts.

[sweet kayak]

In Necrotic Wake, the mace u use on boss/mobs, does it has a fixed damage or could it crit?

[lusty karma]

I haven't noticed a major issue with that, depends how high of keys you intend to push but you should be good through 20+

[uneven mason]

friend them, invite them every time.

[junior horizon]

I'm doing that right now playing MM hunter lmao

[lavish oracle]

The weapons can crit

[sweet kayak]

I see, so lets say you throw spear then use mace, can that increases the damage of the mace too?

[uneven mason]

But yeah, I actually run screaming from any group that has a VDH and they're not high R.io when I heal on my shaman, because I know that there are so many meta lemmings ou there, that you get tanks who leap around do big pulls and then don't even press devastation

[uneven mason]

yes

[sweet kayak]

jeez nice

[junior horizon]

BIg true lmao

[sweet kayak]

so better if u pick spear first then go back and pick mace

[uneven mason]

you can carry more than 1 weapon at a time

just not 2 of the same

[junior horizon]

I've actually had the worst luck with Blood DKs being awful. Not sure if its the class or the players but i havent seen a good one this whole xpac

[uneven mason]

you'll use them in a last in - first out order

[sweet kayak]

ahh cool!

[outer solstice]

player

[brittle owl]

^

[dense flame]

a lot of DH's dont plan their fel dev for big pulls. Which is why you see them getting clapped

[brittle owl]

bdk is a tank that absolutely cannot be hardcarried by a healer

[sturdy sable]

Yeah no tank is "trash" rn they just need to be played right

[brittle owl]

if he plays bad he will die

no matter what you throw at him

[uneven mason]

BDK are strong but people are expecting them to self sustain by just slamming their face into the keyboard and having death strike randomly heal for more than it should

[sweet kayak]

a guy told me that if a rogue picked spear then use mace he could do ton of a damage because he uses a legendary that increases his crit by 100%, is that true?

[dense flame]

Sometimes it happens where a pull goes awful and you have to over-use cds. In that case they just can't face tank

they gotta get threat and fucking kite

[uneven mason]

I think they nerfed that after the first MDI

[lavish oracle]

@sweet kayak They just patched that out

[dense flame]

but instead they just go ham

and hope the healer can heal them

[sweet kayak]

Ok thank you guys

[brittle owl]

also doesn't help that most bdks dunno how to root with DnD

so they kite like shit

[main wasp]

I haven't played prot warrior for a while, but do Shield Block durations stack together? e.g. if I double tap Shield Block, would I get 12 seconds of uptime, or would it just be still 6 seconds?

[uneven mason]

I can facetank on my BDK but you've gotta properly use CDs hehe.

[outer solstice]

yes

[dense flame]

that's what i mean haha

if you plan your cds for pulls/etc. Most tanks can face tank for quite a while

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, you can extend the duration of shield block with another shield block

[dense flame]

exception a few packs.

[lavish oracle]

to a cap of 18s

[uneven mason]

yeah, gripping and gorfiends back into the 90% snare more than once, pro level.

[outer solstice]

hoa doggos

ewwww

[brittle owl]

which pack it is also depends on class

[dense flame]

I think BDK is stressful

[brittle owl]

@uneven mason or just putting DnD in front of the mobs

like, why

[uneven mason]

I'm talking to make max use of the snare hehe

[brittle owl]

but ig its a finesse thing to know that

ya

most people dunno that you can keep 90% snare

[uneven mason]

big kite, circle around your D&D and have them recross into it, 90% snare applies new every time

[brittle owl]

if you just clip them

[uneven mason]

☝️

with the disease lego its pretty easy to keep aggro passively too

can't wait to try out my 50% avoidance CRW/Mists BDK tonight tho 😄

[main wasp]

the skill differential between a good, average, or bad BDK is more pronounced than other tanks

[outer solstice]

[brittle owl]

nah its the same

[uneven mason]

I'm finding BDK more kindered to the pre planning playstyle of prot war this Xpac, which is probably why its my 2nd most played alt

[brittle owl]

just that you notice a bad bdk from an avg one

same as prot warr

or prot paladin

they just drop like flies

globaled

[uneven mason]

Like a warrior who hits that 2nd pack in DOS without shieldwall up

Fortified shadowbois

splat

[night pebble]

Would you guys use 207 Stone general trinket or 226 phial for M+?

[outer solstice]

phial xD

[brittle owl]

or a warr that uses IP over SB

[uneven mason]

Phial

[outer solstice]

that damage xD 226 xD

[uneven mason]

I still don't understand this one

[night pebble]

cool, thank you ❤️

[uneven mason]

if its dead it can't hurt you

[plush tendon]

I play BDK, Prot Paladin, and Prot War not because i think im super good, but because plate TMOG is usually fire

[uneven mason]

yaas

[brittle owl]

plate mog this expac

is fucking lit

[outer solstice]

just sad that it's all the same

[uneven mason]

trying to play my VDH was like "am I wearing socks, those are socks, wtf, and a sweater vest"

[brittle owl]

bruh venthyr leather is actually sweet

[outer solstice]

besides covenant armors

[uneven mason]

NGL I agree, but I FoTM'd and am Kyrian

[plush tendon]

Yea, but what leather wearer is playing Venthyr willingly

[uneven mason]

Guardian Druid

[brittle owl]

^

[plush tendon]

but Convoke....

[brittle owl]

cocaine bears

[uneven mason]

you ever seen a bear do their thing

[outer solstice]

do they? xD xD

[brittle owl]

bruh

[uneven mason]

Yeah, fuck convoke

[brittle owl]

cocaine

bear

[wet compass]

convoke though

[plush tendon]

But also, does TMOG matter for bear?

so its like, I look great.... but no one can see it

[uneven mason]

Absolutely

[wet compass]

no

[brittle owl]

it does

tmog matters

adds 10% dps

[edgy venture]

always

[uneven mason]

Ravenous Frenzy + Incarnation bear

is like

unstoppable

murder machine

Literally seen a bear I run with spike 50k DPS

[sterile moss]

it's also a reason to hate playing bears outside of incarn