protection

[wanton condor]

the problem is that unpopular class players at high levels aren't representative

[uneven mason]

NOw this XPac is a bit different

there are some outliers that are just WAYYYY to overtuned

and blizzard didn't address them at all

[wanton condor]

but we don't know if it overrepresents skills or overrepresents the GM's brother who mom makes him let raid with him

[uneven mason]

rather they doubled down on "we don't want to shake things up"

[wanton condor]

the problem is that they have a general rule of no big buffs once a tier has started, so you don't get screwed one week to the next

which unless they're going to hand out free rerolls is probably for the best

[uneven mason]

Right, the issue is they should have addressed all of these issues heroic week

[wanton condor]

yup

totally in agreement

[uneven mason]

and htey didn't because that was holidays

[wanton condor]

the other issue is that some spells are just awkwardly designed

like starfall is kind of a wat

strong start of expansion but with 0 effective haste scaling

[uneven mason]

they basically released SL, made sure it was stable and then sent everyone on Christmas vacation

[wanton condor]

tbf, did you want blizz to cancel xmas vacations for their employees

"scrooge in hostile takeover of activision-blizz"

[uneven mason]

I Mean, Kotick is in charge now

so it wouldn't have surprised me

But nah, class balance doesn't make you any money

no one is going to quit the game because their favorite spec is garbage, they'l just complain that its garbage

[wanton condor]

meanwhile someone locked the survival hunter designer in their locker years ago and hasn't checked back since

[uneven mason]

survival is big pewpew in M+

its just overshadowed by MMs utility

[deep steppe]

you know what i think is wild

if you look at the class writers on wowhead saying "What covenant is best for your spec in 9.0.5"

Prot war and Frost DK are the only 2 with 3 options in M+

like everything else is so pigeon holed

I guess Havoc and Resto Sham are "any"

but even then, 4 specs in the whole game have 3 or more choices

[uneven mason]

Havoc is "Lol you're there to simp for the fire mage"

"do whatever, it doesn't matter!"

[deep steppe]

true

[uneven mason]

horribly enough, I've been looking for a HDH for a few weeks now.

non one plays it

trying to hint to my paladin co tank that he could totes go Vengeance..

[deep steppe]

ew pink bois

[uneven mason]

eh, he does alright

[deep steppe]

ignore the fact my RL is a Pink healer

[wanton condor]

hdh is just a big sleep class

[uneven mason]

I have a holy paladin that carries me through Sire phase 3

so I can pump

my healing intake on P3~

getting tunneled so I can execute, big 👍

[river spade]

How prot is looking at 9.0.5 on m+?

[sweet summit]

muy bien

[deep steppe]

[uneven mason]

More protty

[steep moss]

Just levelled my warrior up and got its weekly m+ this week, do I open my first chest as prot or fury/arms?

[uneven mason]

We're quite protty already, but with the changes to reprisal and our DPS Buff, we'll be even prottier.

[deep steppe]

prot boi, get that phat shield

[uneven mason]

Are you going to tank?

If so, always shield

[river spade]

seem protti boi

can't w8 to taste my new bad boi

[steep moss]

yeh

[uneven mason]

Big protti boy

[steep moss]

on my dk always made complete sense to open as unholy, but seems less sensible on the prot warr though both have its pro's and cons I guess

[uneven mason]

Our biggest upgrade will always be 🛡️

[steep moss]

aye , cheap to upgrade with vp next week tho

think is among the cheaper pieces

[uneven mason]

gotta get

a shield first

[sturdy nacelle]

whats the word on meta with the soulbinds for Necro and talents then with 9.0.5? for raid and m+?

[uneven mason]

I mean, VDH will still be meta

for M+

because flappy boys can run and go pew pew from far away

[lone hearth]

how does dh pew pew from far away?

[uneven mason]

Decree, glaive, brand

[lone hearth]

fuck im dumb

[sturdy nacelle]

what about warriors tho is Emeni or whatshisface best for Necro?

[sand condor]

They do big pre pea

[lone hearth]

i 100% deleted how vdh worked in my mind

[sand condor]

Lol

[uneven mason]

Emnem best

[sand condor]

I mean it requires 0 brainpower to pilot a dh

[lone hearth]

the i dont like friends princess

[sturdy nacelle]

AM taking over Bolster too? seeing as reprisal is pumping extra SB in for us?

[uneven mason]

they engage with devastation and grind some aggro for the duration of demonic then poop decree and jump out

Yeah, no point in Bolster with reprisal giving us 90%~ block uptime.

[little herald]

dont exist weapon and shield in GV

[uneven mason]

more avatars for more deepus

[sand condor]

More deeps = higher in meta

[sturdy nacelle]

[little herald]

i forget the mane, but the legendary who gives SS plus 5 rage is not goos?

good*

name*

[uneven mason]

The Wall?

it sfine

[little herald]

hmmm

[uneven mason]

its currently the leading lego for M+ and raids

but Reprisal addresses our QoL on engage issue

[deep steppe]

The wall should still be bis for raid after 9.0.5

as far as i know anyway

[uneven mason]

no more choice between offense/defense and getting trucked on engage.

[little herald]

QoL?

[uneven mason]

quality of life

[deep steppe]

quality of life

[little herald]

ah, thx

[vernal yoke]

engage? like on pull?

[uneven mason]

It covers up a lot of the newb traps and bloopers that can happen on pull for prot

yes

[vernal yoke]

okies

[uneven mason]

that is what engage means

[vernal yoke]

thanks, wasnt 100%

[little herald]

but the legendary of SW is not good for raid now? 2 charges, etc

in 9.0.5

[twilit jay]

has anyone tried ascended vigor as prot and does it seem to work well? or should i go with lightless force

[floral pewter]

Unbreakable Will is not very good, no

too high of an opportunity cost, and it only affects your party, not the whole raid

[uneven mason]

Its not good because The Wall gives us more personal uses of shield wall in an encounter, and a ton more rage.
And the "group" effect is limited to your group, not raid, so its not even a solid CD

[little herald]

aaaah, i dont know that

[uneven mason]

The charges are also recharged consecutively rather than simultaneously, thus, if you use them back to back, even with AM you're looking at close to a 6minute wait for both charges.

[little herald]

if is raid buff, this will be broken, btw

[uneven mason]

IF its raid buff it would be better than Holy paladins major CD

[little herald]

yeah lol

[uneven mason]

so, no that won't happen.

[little herald]

bether of any healer cd, maybe

[uneven mason]

we already have Rallying Cry which is an insanely powerful raid CD since it can be used proactively or reactively.

( its better to be used proactively)

[little herald]

(sorry about my english, i'm not native english speaker)

[uneven mason]

Its ok.

Some of us are native English speakers and can't formulate a coherent sentence.

[little herald]

i'm portuguese native, maybe the most difficult linguage....

[vernal yoke]

I can confirm, I was a cop for 5 years..... my co-workers could barley formulate sentances

[deep steppe]

this is true lmao

[uneven mason]

Just gotta say, ya'll talk too fast 😄

[tribal whale]

hi all, is there a way to soak orbs at 43th boss SoA?

[little herald]

brazillian or portuguese?

[jagged pier]

yer

can do it at 18

lvl at least if u have last stand and sw ready

and the healer actually heals u

instead of damage

[tribal whale]

ok , ty ,

[floral pewter]

one of the times you actually do want to spam Ignore Pain

[grizzled nova]

oh boy they removed the valor cap

[jagged pier]

well i ran into an issue wherei was soaking them while still hitting the boss for rage and ppl thought i wasnt soaking them

so next time i just saved spear and rav for rage gen

[uneven mason]

☝️

[deep steppe]

time to farm bois

[twilit jay]

ascended vigor or lightless force on weapons, mainly tanking m+?

[uneven mason]

🤘

[deep steppe]

I use Lightless Force

[twilit jay]

not sure slightly more aoe dmg feels like it would be helpful

[uneven mason]

splitting hairs that have been split

use whatever is cheapest

[limpid burrow]

[sweet summit]

yes

cap is gone

🦀

[remote dawn]

what keystone have i in vault when i make a 15? i read its not downgrade?

[grizzled nova]

how long before people complain that "now I'm expected to run m+ nonstop for 220 gear"

[sweet summit]

did you time the 15

[grizzled nova]

ruining it for everyone

[deep steppe]

if you timed a 15, you will get a 15

[tame mountain]

yeah if you make it that's what you get

[uneven mason]

Better than running it non stop for 210 gear that never drops.

[remote dawn]

ye time

[bold coral]

what leggo should i craft if im serious about pushing m+ as a prot come 9.0.5?

talking keys around +19

[deep steppe]

reprisal but also

[solemn magnet]

I feel like if you're doing 19s you should know, or am I being silly?

[deep steppe]

☝️

[jagged pier]

☝️

[bold coral]

I check io on prot warriors lmao, none of which run reprisal which is intersting lmao

[deep steppe]

because its getting changed literally tomorrow

[sweet summit]

[deep steppe]

[shut summit]

[solemn magnet]

👆

[jagged pier]

[patent osprey]

[bold coral]

maybe everyone in prot hard stuck on level 5 keys idk

[solemn magnet]

[deep steppe]

What a time to make that claim, as Plka is here

lmao

[languid heath]

Maybe asking for advice with an attitude isn’t the best way to start off around here

[bold coral]

lmao

[solemn magnet]

But to answer your question,

[languid heath]

Or in any class discord I imagine

[violet dome]

Is anyone switching to Necro for raids after the buff?

[clever quiver]

It seems now having a prot warrior >>> dps warrior

[violet dome]

I am not sure if it is the play or not as of yet

[deep steppe]

anyone? yes. Me? no

[mossy peak]

prot warrior was already better, or less bad, than dps warrior outside of a few fights

[deep steppe]

has a good breakdown @violet dome

[mossy peak]

necro would pretty much only be if you have a coordinated strategy and the right classes to benefit

[floral pewter]

maybe

[deep steppe]

[violet dome]

I looked at the pin and it doesn't really answer my question. I understand the function of the banner, just not sure if I should swap from Kyrian

[mossy peak]

i would go as far as to say if you're not sure if you should be switching to necro, you will gain nothing by doing so

[deep steppe]

If your group is organized and is gonna play around it specifically then yes. If not, then no

[bold coral]

Apologies for not immediately like a 5head prot warr like all in here. Pins do me as great as icey veins tells me to not click to move or use a track pad in raid lmao

[mossy peak]

buddy just stop while youre behind

a little humility goes a long way

eat your humble pie and be thankful you were given helpful answers

[bold coral]

ah really

[ionic fern]

You okay there?

[mossy peak]

they straight up told you reprisal, they told you why

and then they told you to check the pins for more

[bold coral]

no

no one said anything m8

just

[deep steppe]

Mwahi has awoken

[mossy peak]

hmm that's funny

[violet dome]

I have a guild that I raid with but I also PUG raids a lot so it sounds like staying Kyrian is best for both circumstances unless my guild says otherwise

[mossy peak]

because when i literally scroll up

and read the chat

they both gave you the answer and the reason

[ionic fern]

Just was about to go off, smh.

[deep steppe]

if you pug a lot i would stay kyrian personally, if necro isn't played around specifically it loses a lot of its value

[violet dome]

Yeah, and that makes sense. If I switched, I'd do it for my guild raids.

[mossy peak]

if you're necro in a pug chances are that buff's just

going to the other tank

[wanton condor]

if you pug raids NL banner buff is gonna be wasted

[deep steppe]

you may depart us once again, he appears to have fled

[deft vortex]

been thinking about swapping to Night Fae for prot warrior, or should i wait to hold off and see how necrolord does? (i usually just pug +15 and +16s)

[mossy peak]

i wouldn't really switch to necro for m+ at all

it might be a niche thing but nf/kyrian are still gonna be dominant there

[ionic fern]

Just ping me if needed. 👀

[deep steppe]

same as my previous statement, if you pug a lot i wouldn't go necro. If its not played around it loses value

[violet dome]

Ok, thanks for the info, guys. I'll talk it over with my guild and go from there.

[deep steppe]

❤️

[deft vortex]

thanks i kinda figured

[mossy peak]

also it's not a prot thing but if you are looking at warrior holistically

nf is going to be better as dps

neither arms nor fury wants to be necro even with the change

[deft vortex]

yeh i like to go fury warrior offpsecing sometimes and everyone runs night fae in that case

[deep steppe]

yeah if thats the case I'd for sure go NF

@patent osprey if you have a moment I did some creeping. How valuable is that cardboard assassin belt enchant?

[patent osprey]

^ fucking broken

i expect them to nerf it really really soon

since everyone is starting to pick ti up

I wouldnt of been able to time a 22 dos without it i think

at least not with our route

its basically trees right, so you hit trees, then cardboard x 5 and then all ur cds are recharged again and you can trees again soon

its busted

[deep steppe]

i never even thought to look at old engi enchant

thats wild

i'm gonna use that lmao

[sweet summit]

Is that the same thing they used on the spirit breaker in s4 bfa?

[sand condor]

Wtf is carbord

Cardboard*

[sweet summit]

Brown hard paper

[grizzled nova]

engi belt enchant that makes a dummy that taunts

[sand condor]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Oh!

That’s cool

[grizzled nova]

If you get 5 people to drop them at the same time you can buy the tank some time

[deep steppe]

i thought about going back to the bfa shield or knockback one

but i never even thought of going older

[deep steppe]

[vestal moat]

How hard is it to farm up this cardboard thing? 😄

[stoic mural]

Im curious towards necro too but i think its not yet appealing.. lets stay Venthyr prot atm its a good flex covenant

[vestal moat]

And does the whole group have to have it?

[stoic mural]

And im afraid going back to NF and getting it nerfed

[deep steppe]

its engineering from cata

[deep steppe]

believe so yes

so i wouldn't say its a pug saver, move of an organized group thing

just guessing

[deep steppe]

yeah unless you're like, super planning to play around the banner i wouldn't worry about switching asap or anything

[vestal moat]

@deep steppe Hmm, and it doesnt replace the invisibility belt right? Just a shared CD with it. I might get it for myself just to help out a little tiny bit then if there's really no drawback.

[deep steppe]

you can only have 1 enchant on your belt as far as i know

so it'd replace it i think

[vestal moat]

that's probably a no then. invis too useful

[grizzled nova]

Just means you'll go back to using invis pots.

[stoic mural]

Yup syncing with OffCds and so.. meh. But damn necro should be busted like their plate sets

But hell yeah reprisal is gonna be so cool

[strange lintel]

every time i see a mage combust. i get anxiety

[mighty valley]

im bustin

[patent zealot]

Damn necrolord bis for warriors

Never thought id see the day

[fresh belfry]

its bis because the banner on your back looks sick

right?

[patent zealot]

Nah its because the xmog

If your main tank looks cooler the raid bosses die faster

[finite marlin]

hey boiz, fury here, is 9.0.5 gonna be any better for prot on +15's?

I really wanna spec tank also

[patent zealot]

Prot warrior is gunna be meta next match

[strong forum]

Prot has been omega fine for 15s already

[fresh belfry]

i dont get the first pin. what reprisal nerf?

[strong forum]

From 6 to 4 seconds of block

[fresh belfry]

ah that

ok

[rich helm]

everything is omega fine for 15

[finite marlin]

honestly

[bold coral]

is thunderlord just bad or something?

[finite marlin]

+16 dos, prot warrior pulls first instadead.

[cinder storm]

lol no

[finite marlin]

we're platers, yet leather classe 3x survivability

[strong forum]

That's cuz you need to use CDs there

[sand condor]

That’s bevause that prot warrior was bad

[fresh belfry]

jump in facetank enraged skeleton without cooldowns

instadead

yeah no shit

[strong forum]

First 2 pulls are scary for every tank

[toxic otter]

^

[strong forum]

[finite marlin]

not even enraged.

[strong forum]

Then use shieldblock and kick scribes

[rich helm]

Is Necro Banner the biggest DPS when it lines good with ur mates ? Any sims out there already ?

[sand condor]

You litterally just group it up

[finite marlin]

like legit 1shot by second cluster

[strong forum]

Don't tank the cluster

[sand condor]

Shockwave

[strong forum]

Like...

[finite marlin]

dude i wasn't tanking i was laughing

[fresh belfry]

i mean

[amber herald]

just hold s

[finite marlin]

i mean, i have a VH DK also and that feels way better

[fresh belfry]

you leap in with heroic leap -> all enemies perfectly synced autoattacks

cg

you played yourself

[finite marlin]

DH*

[mighty valley]

bad player does some dumb shit and dies "prot is non viable"

[toxic otter]

by cluster do we mean lotus?

[finite marlin]

Dude prot is really good on physical dmg

[fresh belfry]

yeah prot is actually insane on that first pull

[finite marlin]

but magic dmg legit instadeletes

[toxic otter]

b/c if so yeah, why are we talking about prot being bad when the issue is between keyboard and chair

[deep steppe]

shield wall, demo shout, ignore pain

ez pz

[finite marlin]

boys im a warrior myself

we're superior

but legit prot tanks nowhere to be found

[toxic otter]

you can also outrange little skele boy frontal

[mighty valley]

you've found the prot tanks

they're here

[amber herald]

I saw a screenshot of someone 2nd on their realm for prot with 1100 rio (lol)

[finite marlin]

oh the cd's mate... i mean pushing a 18 key you're gonna spend sum time on the mobs this week

[blazing condor]

i miss thinking i was top shit for being rank 1 my realm back in 8.0

with like 1300 lol

[queen rover]

As somone who loves tanking M+ and hates Vangance I am want to play prot after the buffs. You think it's going to vaiable damage wise?

[amber herald]

yep

[finite marlin]

Dude i'm fury and I admit that we suck overall in comparison with some other classes.

[strong forum]

Pwar dmg will be comparable to a regular vdh

[bold coral]

you mean all lol

[strong forum]

Atleast in m+

[sand condor]

What js a regular vdh

[strong forum]

A dh not using spb

[blazing condor]

someone timing 25s

[amber herald]

fotm reroller

[finite marlin]

you have no idea mate.

[sand condor]

Spb?

[strong forum]

Spirit bomb

[sand condor]

Oh

The fun button

[finite marlin]

i pushed my own NW 17 key with 206 ilvl ^^ was sec dps afaik

[strong forum]

Yuh

[bold coral]

Fury is still best overall in m+ and insane at it

[sand condor]

I love the fun button

[finite marlin]

ye with max ilvl

[silver trout]

does it tickle you in the funny spot

[finite marlin]

I don't wanna make this about fury it's prot chanell afterall

[sand condor]

It does yes

[finite marlin]

Thanks for the input

cya

[deep steppe]

ah yes, the old dead realm days lmao

[silver trout]

yeah... I'm on a dead realm and well. yeah.

[sand condor]

I transferred off a dead realm

I was ..a god

Now I am a mere mortal

[rich helm]

how can i sim the 400 dps on for example an boomkin

?

[sand condor]

Dont think you can

[rich helm]

okay

[blazing condor]

now you got incentive to push

im almost breaking into top 10 for my realm

soon(tm)

[rich helm]

What ? 😄

[cinder storm]

I depleted a HoA 17 because we didnt have Venthyr and I blame that, it was going to be over for 1 min then we lost focus on last boss because of it and wiped there

[blazing condor]

Oh oops i answered the wrong guy, sorry! : P

[cinder storm]

There was almost no downtime in the threat timer

[barren socket]

i'm currently top 1 in my server with 1580io lmao

[amber herald]

[raven kernel]

whats typical avatar cd with AM? 🤔

[arctic wasp]

arround 45-55 seconds i think

[remote tusk]

~50 seconds depending on your stats.

[raven kernel]

😮

[arctic wasp]

i thnk that's actually th ebest part of reprisal, beeing able to use AM instead of bolster is going to be great 😄

[raven kernel]

very tempting for necrolord

huge pp on every 2nd avatar

[remote tusk]

Not for you

[raven kernel]

well

huge for a tank i guess

avatar + unstoppable force + banner conduit + emeni + mastery from banner scaling up the inc str gain from prev 2 things even more

[remote tusk]

[mint gale]

which soulblind will be best choose for mythc on 9.5.??i think that guide from wowhead not clear

[mossy peak]

soulbind preference wouldn't change in this patch

[mint gale]

i make mistake

i talk about necrolord

[patent zealot]

He meant soulblind

Not soulbind

[mint gale]

on rio i found only 1 guy from china who play witth

maybe someone can confirm with that?

maybe this soublind this player pick for some sort of pvp

[raven kernel]

emeni is the best necro soulbind

[mint gale]

k thx

i will start with this.thanks.

[dense burrow]

whats the best slot for the reprisal legendary?

[uneven mason]

legs for stat budget, but ymmv if you have really badass legs and crappy boots

[dense burrow]

sweet, and crit haste?

[strong rampart]

What about seismic? Helm?

[amber siren]

@dense burrow haste vers

[dense burrow]

sweet thanks

[shut linden]

i didn't see it in the faq but may of missed it, is there a covenant choice for prot/fury split with a focus on raiding, not M+?

[clear ruin]

I would think necrolord now

Mastery is nice for fury

but honestly if it's just heroic you can probably do anything you want

[carmine carbon]

About to swap to Necrolord is there anything I should do before swapping covenants?

[clear ruin]

Just that the banner requires coordination

[shut linden]

necro it is, thank you

[clear ruin]

to use it well in pug mythics you might want a cooldown tracker, mark the dps you are trying to use the buff on so you can make sure people are near and that they have cooldowns to use with it

necro banner is probably something you want voice comms for

I don't like pugging - but if I did I'd probably stay kyrian

cause I don't want to have the experience of feeling like my banner did nothing lol

I'll be swapping from kyrian to necro wednesday after my guilds raid night

don't have the time to grind renown before raiding

so I'll swap later

[mighty valley]

going to be more hipster than ever to be a venthyr prot warrior

[ocean yoke]

gonna tell my guild im swapping covenants. theyll be so punked when its to night fae

[mighty valley]

gottem

[dense flame]

Any rough estimate on valor/dungeon

Not sure if I missed it on the wowhead posts

[past ginkgo]

A rank 6 on time is 165 or around in there. It scales according to the level and if its timed or not

[amber siren]

I don't think the amounts have been put in yet

[past ginkgo]

You also get 50 valor for every calling you complete

[torpid hill]

rank 6 i.e. a +6 key will give you ~165? source for that?

[forest fern]

People were saying the other day it doesn’t scale with the key at all, so I’d take all info with a grain of salt atm

[sick sentinel]

warrior best tank soon?

[limpid dagger]

Quick q for necros who tested it on ptr, does conq banner refresh nearest targets or do the two nearest to the Warr on cast just get the buff for the full duration?

[raven kernel]

hi amity

sense said on cast when he last tested it

[wild sandal]

is there a way to tell who will get the buff when u drop the banner or u have to see who closest ?

[limpid dagger]

Hah sup rei, cheers

[solemn magnet]

Is emeni really the play for m+? You won't get but maybe 2 other people in range for it, depending on your comp. Heirmirs buff isn't reliant on proximity.

[astral crystal]

You can get everyone in if you’re playing in a premade

If you’re playing pugs, good luck

[upbeat blaze]

Is my off tank trolling if he stays venthyr vs going necrolord

[amber siren]

for raid? nope

[upbeat blaze]

But what about that masteryyyyy

[mellow patio]

Not being a stat stick for the raid is not trolling when it’s not the best cov

If you’re pushing wf sure

[upbeat blaze]

pushing us 100

ally

[amber siren]

For US 100 that'd be something you'd have to talk about with your guild

[wind surge]

I mean

will depend of fights and how classes are played

[prime nymph]

Yea. Warriors dont need to simp

[wanton condor]

US Alliance top 100 is basically just going for CE so you should be fine with whatever?

[raven nebula]

I know that Tanks use Versatility. I feel like I have trouble find that a lot on gear. I know that PVP gear has a lot of it. Should I be going for that gear to add more Vers?

[mighty valley]

ilvl is king, if you like pvp go for it

[raven nebula]

Fair enough. 🙂 I'm 213 atm...

[mighty valley]

if you're choosing between two same ilvl pieces then haste > vers > the others but the gap is not huge

[bitter sleet]

Does anyone have a charge / intervene macro that I can use? if im targetting friendly it will intervene ... simple one?

[mighty valley]

#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=target,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge

i think that's it?

[bitter sleet]

cheers

[torpid wolf]

I'm on the cusp of pushing 15s; how should I prioritize gearing? ilvl, or secondary stats? I have a few pieces of gear where I could swap to higher ilvl/stam/str but I would lose vers (I'm at like 28% vers iirc)

thoughts?

[solemn magnet]

Ilvl

Then haste >vers

If equal ilvl

[torpid wolf]

Gotcha.

Should I use pawn's default stat weights for prot, or is there better ones around here?

[amber siren]

don't use pawn

[solemn magnet]

Haven't heard anyone using pawn personally and you can't really sim for tankiness

[torpid wolf]

Don't use pawn? So... is there some alternative? Considering you can't sim tanks very well.

[compact palm]

Just go on priorit pawn very unessisary

[torpid wolf]

priorit?

[compact palm]

Ilvvl>haste>vers

I'm typingon phone

Big thimbs

[solemn magnet]

You can look through your logs, or post them here and usually someone can point you in a good direction if you feel something is off

[warm warren]

Reprisal > Thunderlord for m+?

[compact palm]

Pins

[solemn magnet]

Yes to that

[warm warren]

i see the pins, just curious why, seems like thunderlord would have better damage

[amber siren]

Pawn at this point is a relic of an era where sims weren't as thorough or as well-maintained, and you could never sim 'tankiness' anyway so Pawn is guessing at best when it comes to that

[compact palm]

Reprisal gives u free rage which will add up to more dmg

[solemn magnet]

And free revenge which is more dmg than clap

[compact palm]

20flat 30off block 20 off revenge proc

[torpid wolf]

Gotcha.

[compact palm]

The block prob closer to 25rage as it's only 4sec tho

[tawny kayak]

So reprisal > the wall tomorrow?

[compact palm]

Wall good raids

Rep m+

Pins too

[tawny kayak]

Ah ty

[torpid wolf]

what are our best trinkets? do we value the same as mentioned above (ilvl > function)?

[mossy peak]

trinkets for tanks are a little more nebulous and personal

[torpid wolf]

My options are:
Splintered Heart (200)
Slimy Consumptive Organ (203)
Blood Spattered Scale (194)
Grim Codex (210)
Stone Legion Heraldy (207)
IQD (223)
Barghast's Leash (213)

[mossy peak]

basically you can go for more defense, you could go for more offense, you could go for general tankiness or for an on demand cooldown

the kael'thas one is an example of something that's either insane or useless

entirely based on you your group and your needs

unlike dps trinkets i would advise just

trying them out

and seeing what works

[compact palm]

Blood splattered is insane in m+

[mossy peak]

that's the main standout

[torpid wolf]

Is IQD worth using given it's wild effects?

[compact palm]

No not really

Its cd hinders it a lot

[dusk sun]

Any Nighfaes have preference between Korayn or Niya? Which pumps more?

[solemn magnet]

Plka has been running korayn due to first strike iirc

[idle swan]

I'm trying to decide between The Wall, Thunderlord or the reworked Reprisal.

Currently using the Wall, but it's maybe not optimal

[compact palm]

Check pins

[idle swan]

what is a pin?

[compact palm]

Top right

The thumbtack thing

Theres info on the changes coming up

[idle swan]

ohhhh

well, this is great information, thanks!

[compact palm]

👍

[idle swan]

I literally mod my guild's discord and I didn't know about that 😅

[compact palm]

😋

Well that should come In handy for that too then lol

[round vortex]

His discord just got 87 pins put in

[compact palm]

Lol I believe it

[idle swan]

well, my GM does have a bunch of pins up talking raid times and stuff. TIL this is even a thing

[desert folio]

is reprisal gonna make avatar/unstoppable force/best served cold the new build?

[wanton condor]

no

UF still bad

bsc good though

[uneven mason]

TFW you have AoTC but have 6 new people come in and have to relearn phase 2 and 3 ><

[uneven mason]

UF still 🤮
BSC and AM are solid choices.

[deep steppe]

do we know yet if BSC > BV?

[desert folio]

ahh ok, i thought uf would be better with more avatar uptime and the thunder clap buff

[median tulip]

I'm going to start off with talents 1112331

[median tulip]

My working assumption is that Ravager for more Rage generation means more Revenges and more Avatar uptime.

[deep steppe]

impending victory? Never take that

its just worse than indom

[median tulip]

It's not, but I CBA having that conversation again tonight

[deep steppe]

Especially when you consider all the rage you can just be dumping into revenge

[robust surge]

how relevant is it if I put reprisal on feet instead of legs

[median tulip]

Feet will give less stats - slightly - than legs, but if your existing legs are a higher ilvl than your existing feet, the difference is probably null. If you are capable of killing mythic Stone Legion Generals the legs from there are the highest ilvl you can get - no feet match them - and are outright better. But that's only if you can clear mythic Nathria.

[robust surge]

yeah my prot warr alt has 226 verse legs and only 210 boots lol

[keen epoch]

For ppl wanting to try necro prot next reset, which soulbind is the way? Emeni or heimir? And banner conduit still better than the one that buffs clap?

[amber siren]

Emeni will be better if you're coordinating the str increase, which if you're swapping to necro you should be doing anyway

[torpid hill]

on the topic of necro banner, the prevailing thought seems to be it's only worth over kyrian if you can coordinate with your group, but even in pugs, typically the big pulls are obvious no? drop at a the start, drop at the next fat pull following the CD, so on?

[wet compass]

them trinket changes are interesting

especially spike

[torpid hill]

I imagine the group dps increase even suboptimal would outweigh the benefit I alone get from spear

[wet compass]

The benefit from spear isn't necessarily just the damage

but yes it largely depends on group coordination

[torpid hill]

true, but I can run fast, leap, intervene

[wet compass]

Spear is a god send for leapers I will say

[amber siren]

It's more about coordinating who's getting the mastery increase, and if it's a significant improvement. The bonus will be for the 2 closest, which in a pug could be for a healer and some random DPS who's sitting closer than someone who would gain more benefit.

If you can guarantee who's getting the increase then obviously that isn't a problem

[torpid hill]

yeah... I suppose I'm probably not going to be by my mage or whatever

[compact palm]

Just leap on them 4head

Also lot of pulls your image should be close so they can db interrupt

Fmage

[wet compass]

Other thing is how many classes actually use kyrian currently since the bonuses are kind of big in those 2 dungeons

[compact palm]

Necro representation is super low

So I. The larger sceme might be the play

Thars a good point

[wet compass]

uh dks and shamans use necro don't they?

[compact palm]

Yea but overall

Shaman is kinda king rn tho

Hmm

[wet compass]

priest was real nice this week though can't lie 🙂

side note why do the slimes at the start of plaguefall burst? Nothing else gets really crazy stack wise but those slimes are pain

[compact palm]

I have no idea

But if ur priest its irelivanf

[wet compass]

like if SD followed those rules dear god it would be so horrible

[compact palm]

Sd gauntlet dogs won't apply necro after patch thank god

[ocean bloom]

for mythic council should i run reprisal next week?

[glacial skiff]

So anyone do the math on booming vs best served cold and AM vs HR in M+ with reprisal yet?

Oh and UF vs rav with the clap bump

[deep steppe]

RAv > UF

[compact palm]

Rav just too good I. That row

Put it in booming row and we might have a decision. To make

Not that that would be good for us but yea

[glacial skiff]

See, if you end up taking AM/UF gains value.

[deep steppe]

you will take AM

but UF still not as good as rav

[glacial skiff]

Do

You

Have

Math

[deep steppe]

Mwahi has done it

[glacial skiff]

Where

[deep steppe]

let me see if i can find it

I mean there was this comment earlier

[glacial skiff]

It’s just hard to just listen to non TCer’s who I’ve never heard of (no offense) provide an answer without reasoning. Sure rav is good, but it’s good right now due to the on demand rage, not due to damage output.

[deep steppe]

non-tcers? what does that even mean lmao

we play prot, of course we TC

[tame jasper]

What have I missed that wowhead lists Reprisal as best raid after patch? Thought in raids the wall is still better?

[glacial skiff]

With the change to reprisal rage issues on pull are sort of alleviated meaning you may be able to shift your focus and talents elsewhere. AM provides a positive feedback loop with more rage gained, and TCLAP buff may make UF worth using in it’s place for damage and rage.

The reason nobody ever went UF was bolster was too strong compared to other options in the final row.

[prisma bear]

if ravager had same cd as avatar it would still be better jfc why are half the questions about it

[glacial skiff]

What I mean by non TCers are people who don’t do the testing on PTR, the math to prove what is better vs the alternative or haven’t written an article with their name on it with scientifically tested info as to which options are better in which situation. Again, no offense but you’re just some person in discord.

[compact palm]

Theorycrafter

[deep steppe]

I mean fair, I am just a discord boi. But if you search back through the last few days. You're not the first to ask that questions, and everytime before you people who do the research/spend the time say rav is the pick. Even if the dam did come out the same, rav would generate more rage/give you more GCDs

[glacial skiff]

And why do you think that. Where’s your reasoning? Are you certain avatar will in fact have the same CD as ravager? You’re not dealing with BFA levels of rage here anymore.

[deep steppe]

Mwahi has awoken!

[ionic fern]

This is with reprisal but no covenant

[deep steppe]

[glacial skiff]

That’s single target, right?

[ionic fern]

Yes

[compact palm]

How much rage generation difference between them

[ionic fern]

You should be able to sim reprisal sooon

As in weekly reset

[glacial skiff]

is that sim counting ITF at 5 stacks or 1?

[ionic fern]

5

[sick sentinel]

There are mythic bosses where you lose value on reprisal where you really don’t want to move them or you are unable to move them. Or when the bosses are casting and not doing damage to you anyway. Sludge, Huntsman if you tank boss, Inerva, Hungering. Sure you get charge of on pull and intervene but with boss positioning is scuffed at least for me. When you don’t tank the boss you get damage part out but i don’t personally see any huge benefit in the way my guild plays the bosses. Maybe i’m bad so i don’t totally get it

[sweet summit]

5

[prisma bear]

no lol i am saying even if they greatly increased the frequency you could use UF it would still be worse than ravager. its the lowest dps tanks lowest dmg spell and absorbs huge gcds with UF, as opposed to ravager which floods you with rage for 1 gcd

[fringe badger]

Didn't Reprisal give us Shield Block and Rage? The tooltip I'm reading on wowhead now says Ignore Pain and makes the next Revenge cost no rage + 200% damage?

[prisma bear]

thats until tuseday reset

[sweet summit]

As of 9.0.5

[glacial skiff]

That’s pre 9.05 reprisal

[prisma bear]

theyre reworking it

[fringe badger]

ahhh okay

[tame jasper]

Hey, is this an answer to my question? If yes this means Reprisal does more Singletarget-dps now and thats the case to use it in raids too?

[compact palm]

Im not sure you should be evaluating Legos for prot on a dps value vs a defensive one especially of you are on progress tho that can depend on some things

[tame jasper]

Dito, that‘s why I ask if this was an answer to my question

[sweet summit]

Reprisal is more damage if you can use charge and intervene often. Tho youll probably still run the wall on most bosses

[ionic fern]

If you can use Reprisal properly and on CD it will be a DPS increase on ST as well, yes.
The question is if you can use your Charge and Intervene on CD in a raiding environment.

[torpid hill]

where is this data from?

[jagged pier]

sims

[torpid hill]

ok sure, but is it a custom algo with simc?

[ionic fern]

It's the default APL + i have reprisal implemented locally (will be available on SIMC/raidbots on reset hopefully)

[torpid hill]

got it, thank you

do you have similar data for multi target?

[dry spear]

just saw on wowhead, that reprisal is now the go-to for both raid and m+. quite nice.

[jagged pier]

i wouldnt trust everything written on wowhead

it is if u can charge and intervene on cd

which isnt likely

[dry spear]

but i trust what Llarold writes

[ionic fern]

Yeah, if you can do it properly it will be a solid DPS increase.

The defensive value is dependant on the fights damage pattern.

[dry spear]

sure, you need to get use to it.

[jagged pier]

wasnt he the guy who wrote the guide? which made everyone think they should run UF 🤔

[chilly brook]

I wouldn't use llarold as gospel for prot

I like the guy

But hes no @ionic fern

[ionic fern]

That's one thing but it's also if the fight allows such movement.

[dry spear]

sludge is a no-no 😄

[chilly brook]

Yes

[jagged pier]

very trusted source then

[dry spear]

For raids you would still be looking to run The Wall in general unless there are fights that fit Reprisal.

[jagged pier]

ill stick to mwahi if he says WM and thunderlords should be run i run that

[dry spear]

so, well, in the pins

if it allows the movement

[ionic fern]

Reprisal 100% can be the "go-to" for raiding as well - but you just have to know the fight and figure out if you can make good use of Reprisal.

[dry spear]

and i think many fights will allow that movement

[crisp dragon]

Reprisal might be really op op on the last 4 fights

[torpid hill]

wait for a fist, tell other tank to taunt, leap away and charge. EASY

[jagged pier]

u stand still on council

u stand still on sludge

for the other 2 i cant say

[crisp dragon]

I charge like crazy on councill

And even so on Sludge

[dry spear]

doesnt it procc also from intervene?

[crisp dragon]

every roar, you can charge

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[jagged pier]

yes but on sludge i already have block up all the time as its scripted to fuk

[dry spear]

see

[jagged pier]

and on slude u cant intevene as u will take the othertanks hit

[dry spear]

and what did i say?

not useable on sludge

[jagged pier]

im not arguing with u

[pine marsh]

Rerolled to prot 2 Weeks ago, dont have reprisal yet. Anyone a clue what are my chances for upper reaches. 😦

[dry spear]

but, for starters, i would craft the wall first

[compact palm]

What's rage generation difference on st between reprisal and wall

[ionic fern]

Upper reaches? 👀

[crisp dragon]

Ah, yes, I remember when I first started my boomie, having to wait 4 weeks for Balance of all things

[pine marsh]

The Floor where reprisal drops

[ionic fern]

Ooh.

[torpid hill]

in completely unrelated news, both the wowhead and icy-veins orc guides have the old definition of blood fury where it reduces healing taken. I happened to read it half an hour ago in bed, went nuts second guessing myself thinking I've been gimping myself for weeks.

[jagged pier]

u can just run twisting corridors

till u get the tile lay out

[pine marsh]

i kow but have to go up to +3 there and then fish for it

being lucky would be better

[jagged pier]

better than waiting no?

not like its hard for us

[limpid dagger]

What's the dps gap between AM and HR?

[delicate thorn]

is it random every time you enter twisting corridors? Because I need Reprisal as well

can I just enter and leave over and over again until I get upper reaches?

[sweet summit]

Big

[jagged pier]

why would u run HR repirsal gives 90+% blocked hits

[pine marsh]

not better you are right. I like the normal tower runs now after the changes but twisting feels super long...

[ionic fern]

~200 from the log i linked (+19 free Revenges + 19 free SBs).

[compact palm]

In favor or reprisal?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[compact palm]

Decent ty

[woeful trellis]

St?

[delicate thorn]

With Reprisal I assume you should be using Intervene a lot, is there a specific person you should be intervening, like melee over ranged? I never use Intervene now so I have no experience with it

[ionic fern]

Intervene/Charge both.

[ionic fern]

If you are using it for a DPS increase just use it on who ever (perferably melee)
If you are using it for also defensive purposes (with Safeguard for example) then who ever needs it.

[sweet summit]

ST usually means Single Target

[delicate thorn]

@ionic fern ok thanks, gonna need to find room for a keybind for Intervene now 😄

[torpid hill]

even without reprisal, intervene has been great for escapes. surprised you don't have it bound.

[subtle island]

Wowhead saying reprisal now bis for raid? That true?

[delicate thorn]

@torpid hill I am not good 😦

warrior is only an alt and I haven't been serious about prot until this expansion, it's mostly been fury

[torpid hill]

scroll up to about 20 minutes ago and read

[torpid hill]

welcome to the funzone

[subtle island]

Ah thank god

Thought there’d been a change

[woeful trellis]

@delicate thorn just use the macro with intervene and charge on one button

[delicate thorn]

@torpid hill thanks 😄 The warrior is actually my oldest char too. Created on day 1 of WoW release

still on the same realm with the same name

@woeful trellis ohh gimme

[sweet summit]

#showtooltip Charge
/cast Charge
/cast [@mouseover] Intervene

[delicate thorn]

@sweet summit so if I mouse over a friendly char it will cast Intervene instead of Charge?

[woeful trellis]

Yep

[final gorge]

Will Necrolord be worth swapping to from Kyrian?

[sweet summit]

It can be

[woeful trellis]

Check the pins but i personally stay kyrian

[subtle island]

Isn’t that a bit dangerous though?

Like I use intervene on hungering to get out of consume

[sweet summit]

Will you consistently be buffing specs that benefit a lot from it?

[subtle island]

If I miss the mouse over I’m gonna end up slamming back into the boss

[sweet summit]

You can just hit escape to untarget hungering, or even just face away from the boss as you cant charge backwards

[jagged pier]

with repirsal u would do it anyway as u are wasting the leggo effect

and wasting the sb it gives u

[compact palm]

/cast [@mouseover,exists,help] intervene; [@target,exists,harm] charge

Yo this shit takes too long to type o phone

[soft surge]

I leveled a second warrior just to tank as necro and have BiS transmog for once :)

[compact palm]

Prob don't need help/harm either

[sweet summit]

Ye that macro is probably safer, i havent had any issues with mine tho

[compact palm]

You can also put #showtooltip before so you know what one its going to cast

[tame jasper]

@ionic fern Thank you!

[final gorge]

My guild had me swap from arms to prot warrior for last few bosses of mythic

[woeful trellis]

Btw any 2k rio prots here?

[ionic fern]

Probably.

[mighty valley]

https://raider.io/characters/us/emerald-dream/Plka is around sometimes

[ionic fern]

We got @patent osprey

[woeful trellis]

Yeah i know That man 😍

[final gorge]

Is NF bis for overall?

[lunar jackal]

@ionic fern plka says reprisal should allow around 80% sb uptime is that with bolster?

[strong forum]

Without

[jagged pier]

☝️

[jagged pier]

umm not overall that would be kyrian but nightfae is very close behind and does more damage

[lime urchin]

Last evening before we start surfing on endless shield blocks amigos!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vibing-vibing-cat-cat-vibing-dancing-cat-gif-18482815

[ionic fern]

In bound: "Reprisal sucks! I hate Charging 24/7"

[lime urchin]

And I am surfing into mah first 17s tonight!

[patent osprey]

ohaiyo !

[chilly brook]

To be fair I do actually dislike being forced to use mobility to do damage or trigger things that youd need for normal play

[ionic fern]

Same.

[chilly brook]

Like momentum is buns because of that imo

But I'll live

[ionic fern]

It can potentially still be wonky.
You will 100% get the benefit in the beginning of each pack but when in the middle of a pack (especially with Double Time) Charging becomes ..interesting.

[stray gazelle]

Morning

[ionic fern]

Considering that a lot of damage is currently done by "ground effects".

[lime urchin]

I think the initial charge + a intervene somewhere inbetween already is fantastic for shield block uptime, right?

[stray gazelle]

Anyone know if it’s channeling fleshcraft counts as a defensive cd not sure if 20% reduction mitigates more than blocked attacks

[chilly brook]

Yes it's good period doesnt mean I like using my mobility in exchange

[ionic fern]

You can block while channeling.

[stray gazelle]

Oh damn ty

[ionic fern]

In general you can't but this channel is "Special".

[strong forum]

[sand condor]

I honestly cannot wait to play prot tomorrow

[strong forum]

Now my argument for fleshcraft being shit is out the window

Noo

[sand condor]

Imma zoom around

[stray gazelle]

I’m so close to 38 renown I can see the light end of tunnel

1-40 renown very time consuming

[sand condor]

My melee gets aggro? Intervene for free shield block

[wicked vault]

probably just gonna macro it with focus

like old Warbringer

[torpid hill]

I just learned from plka's stream that his vulpera racial accounts for ~10% of self-heal/absorb. nuts

[sand condor]

Vulpera have racials?

[lavish oracle]

I still think fleshcraft is just 'okay for tanks, mostly

[delicate thorn]

is cuteness a racial?

[wicked vault]

it's the best m+ tanking racial on horde side

[ionic fern]

Jep, Vulpera is awesome.

[sand condor]

I legit have never read their racials

[compact palm]

My panda racial saves me from killing myself on tirna scythe I'd call that a win

[sand condor]

Time to research

[strong forum]

It's secret tech that I've been praying since s4

Vulpera racial that is

It's free 100+ hps

[wicked vault]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=312215/nose-for-trouble

[torpid hill]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LqdgD37aWJH1QKnY#fight=34&type=healing&source=261
just picked a random parse of his

[strong forum]

And the 40 yard on ability is also nuts

[lavish oracle]

How's that stack up against Kul Tiran?

[strong forum]

It's about 500% better than kultiran

[torpid hill]

almost as much as ignore pain and it's entirely passive

[lavish oracle]

Damn

[strong forum]

Maybe more even

The phial is also nutty

Can crit for a 20k heal

On a 1.5minCD

And again, 40 yards range to pull is also omega nice

[delicate thorn]

sounds pretty neat

[sand condor]

Yo what the fuck are vulpera racials

[lavish oracle]

So with Vulpera you get health pot, health stone, Kyrian phial and Vulpera phial?

[cunning pier]

Hey dudes, brewmaster main here looking to level a tank alt. What is like, the quintessential badass prot warrior moment? What is it that prot warrior does that makes you go, "holy smokes this class is incredible I did something no other tank could do!"

On my guardian druid, its incarning and pulling like 7 trash packs at once. On brew its cheesing the shit out of mechanics with stagger and using all my shit to kite. What do warriors do that make them sick?

[strong forum]

How is this news to you guys <.<

[woeful trellis]

So i change from zandalari on vulpera 😅

[lavish oracle]

Who has the keybinds for that

[compact palm]

Rerolling rn

[strong forum]

Not taking dmg when SB is up

[sand condor]

We block physical damage

[chilly brook]

Being one of the most aggressive bois on the block

[compact palm]

We spell reflect big DMG sometimes

[chilly brook]

Spell reflect do make you feel like big pp

Syncing up all casts on mobs and watching them kill themselves

[woeful trellis]

Spellreflect is My bff

[strong forum]

But nothing compares to a druid with incarn up

On huge pulls, nobody can do that like bears

[sand condor]

Im leveling a bear

Its legit stupid

You ca pull 30 mobs and afk them to death

[cunning pier]

Thanks for the responses <3 excited to try spell reflect out

[ionic fern]

Ngl..bear with INcarn is stupid fun with the lego.
After that you afk for 3 minutes and then do a pull with INcarn again.

[strong forum]

Yup

[lavish oracle]

Honestly, just any time I get to use a tanks full kit feels good, when I'm cycling through AoE stops to line up casts for spell reflect or using intervene to help kite, stuff like that

[strong forum]

One of the reasons why I considered leveling a bear

[ionic fern]

• Convoking bosses is fun.

😂

[lavish oracle]

Bear has some fun stuff too with convoke, being able to gain some distance and use it for damage or as an extra healing cd

[woeful trellis]

Just call treants or ele at pride, Go moonkin - convoke ez 200 iq

Thats why i Start gearing my farm char 😅

[ionic fern]

Barkskin + convoke and hope you don't die is more fun tho.

[woeful trellis]

Yeah 🙈

[sand condor]

Ursols vortex -> moonkin -> wild charge back -> convoke

[sweet summit]

50/50, you either die or you dont

[sand condor]

Exactly

Who doesn’t love it

[random dock]

Do we go Anger Management with Reprisal now?

[tender tendon]

ya

[valid zodiac]

"Xira the Underhanded has been disabled on Mythic difficulty and removed from the Dungeon Journal" Is this only for M0 or M+ as well?

[random dock]

Great, cheers!

[tender tendon]

look like it

[outer bronze]

bear goes rawr

[sweet summit]

M0 and m+ is the same thing

🦀

[toxic otter]

Can’t have Ursol and moonkin though

[sand condor]

fuck

😦

i fofgot about that

[toxic otter]

But typhoon usually works for distance too if your mage isn’t in the middle of combust

[sand condor]

let mage do dragons breath

and the frost root

make priest pull you out of danger

then convoke

that's a pug strat right there

[blazing condor]

weird question but do you guys know if there's a speed-stat requirement for the severing slice in SD? I can dodge it without intervene/heroic leap but i also have some speed on my gear

would be nice to know if it's possible regardless

[sweet summit]

Im fairly confident you can outrun it without any speed as long as you dont backpeddle

[crisp dragon]

We're getting tons of damage tomorrow, arent we?

[sharp sun]

TONSSS

[sweet summit]

If youre NA, sure

[crisp dragon]

WAT

[sweet summit]

Wait

[crisp dragon]

NA is today

[sharp sun]

Nah tomorrow is EU

[sweet summit]

Its tuesday

[sharp sun]

haha

[blazing condor]

🤔

[sweet summit]

Wtf

[sharp sun]

Days are hard

[crisp dragon]

NA ONLY BUFFS, NOT POOOOOG

[blazing condor]

we're still in the 2020 right

[sweet summit]

Sorry i think i had a stroke

[ionic fern]

He follows tho?:(

Maybe my dwarf legs are too short.

[crisp dragon]

I have a stupid question, that I'm allowed to ask

Should I ever stand with my back to a boss?

[blazing condor]

if my fat panda can dodge then dwarf can as well : p

nope cus you cant dodge/parry from behind

[sweet summit]

Ideally never

[blazing condor]

block*

[ionic fern]

Jaina says hi.

[jagged pier]

inerva mythic u have too

[sweet summit]

But like on inerva youre forced to sometimes

He stops for like a split second as he starts the cast no? Or is my brain actually fried rn @ionic fern

[crisp dragon]

I was just wondering how big of an effect it had, becuase I realize I have stood with my back to a boss quite a few times as of late, just wanted to know if Im screwing myself over too hard, Ill have to not I guess

Innerva all the damage comes when u have 2 stacks, barely dmg when tanking xD

[strong forum]

Just running away works aswell, but you have to already be running when it's casting

Sometimes sidestepping also works

[blazing condor]

yeah luckily he's very scripted so you know when to anticipate it

[strong forum]

If you're fast enough

[crisp dragon]

I loved when I was progressing Innerva and every time I got that second stack I would shield block in anticipation of her melees inc ;-;

[blazing condor]

slice > craggy > stoneskin > craggy > slice

[strong forum]

It's basically underrot 2nd boss but a bit tighter

Cuz he doesn't stand still

Cuz he's a bitch

[blazing condor]

tru

luckily pugs seem to know to stay behind in case

also kyrian pot for fuck-ups

[sweet summit]

Imagine being kyrian 😔

[blazing condor]

dont have to 😎

[sweet summit]

Would be nice tbh

[blazing condor]

i like the phial

[strong forum]

Phial is 📈

[blazing condor]

spear is meh

its nice dmg

[strong forum]

Spear is also 📈

Good for aggro

[blazing condor]

true

[strong forum]

Since it hits everything

[blazing condor]

nice to have on mobs that jump everywhere

[ionic fern]

I'm lazy so i just dwarf racial first bleed and kyrian pot the other.

😂

[blazing condor]

not even leap? D:

[compact palm]

Dwarf op

[strong forum]

Alliance privilege...

[compact palm]

Nerd

[sweet summit]

Dorf 😔

[compact palm]

Nerf*

[strong forum]

TAKE ME BACK

[sweet summit]

TO PARADISE CITY

[compact palm]

Phone corrected me into rudeness

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-let-me-go-inside-i-should-come-in-open-the-gate-gif-16171434

[crisp dragon]

WHERE THE GRASS IS GREEN

[compact palm]

Oof

[strong forum]

The girls actually are prettier on alliance

[sweet summit]

Cross faction gaming when

[crisp dragon]

WHEN I ASK

[compact palm]

Panda is a panda idk

[sweet summit]

Ask now

[crisp dragon]

mby

[sweet summit]

[compact palm]

[sweet summit]

Fuck

Seeing banner makes me sad

[crisp dragon]

fuck banner, all my homies stick Kyrian

[compact palm]

Just banner stack

20warripr raids

Of only mastery was bis for any of our specs

[crisp dragon]

indeed

[sweet summit]

Its like the 2nd best stat for both dps specs

[crisp dragon]

Think its good for fury though

[sweet summit]

Close enough

Only downside is that both dps specs kinda suck

[crisp dragon]

Mastery is temporary

succ is foever

[sweet summit]

[compact palm]

Do banners overlap or stack btw

[sweet summit]

No idea

[crisp dragon]

prolly not, do u expect them to let us have fun?

[sweet summit]

I guess they stack? xd

[compact palm]

Can me and 10 warriors give a firemagss or boomkin 4000mastrry

[sweet summit]

[crisp dragon]

That would be broken

[compact palm]

Sounds like parse material

Hmmmmmm

I need sender's

Awnsers

[wind surge]

Told you guys sell your banner

Make them pay for it

[compact palm]

I already sell pi

[crisp dragon]

The warrior brothel, buy your banners here

[ionic fern]

I wanted to test banner stacking but no one wanted to join me on ptr.:(

[crisp dragon]

Dont touch before u pay

[compact palm]

Well fuck

Of mwahi doesnt know no one does

[ionic fern]

We will find out soon i guesa.

Guess*

[crisp dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/2869993-hail-gif-12594371

[sweet summit]

As soon as we kill sire i can test it 😔

[crisp dragon]

All warriors to Balance druids world wide

[compact palm]

We stacking 5-10 warriors next tier of so

10 warriors with 10 uh dks on pull with army

[ionic fern]

Which reminds me,i have to start my nf quest

[sweet summit]

👀

[compact palm]

I got bugged on into quests in venthur

So I can't use soulbinds until reset

I'm already rank 30 without soulbinds

Gg

[woeful trellis]

Conduit will be ip over ls rage gen with reprisal or?

[strong forum]

I'd just use 2p 1e 1f

🤷‍♂️

Sof + spear + stalwart + safeguard/rally

[sweet summit]

If id run 2e, id still take unnerving over bv personally

[jagged pier]

imma still take unvering for the rage pump every 3 mins

[strong forum]

Yeah it's still a solid pick

Turns it into an actually good defensive

[sweet summit]

Exactly

[ionic fern]

What's the go-to Warlock m+ spec atm?

[sweet summit]

Aff i think

[outer bronze]

aff ye

destro is better in lower keys afaik

[sweet summit]

You playing warlock now?

[ionic fern]

Not yet.
I'm debating which DPS alt to level up next.

Warlock has a soft spot for me since it was my first ever 60 back in Vanilla.

[compact palm]

Aff is for masochists

That spec is so annoying to Min max

[delicate thorn]

afflictions is coolest spec though

[sweet summit]

Shadows embrace

[delicate thorn]

destro is just wannabe mage and demo is just dumb