protection

[outer spoke]

20% dps increase, u will push more dps with reprisal and bsc

[jagged pier]

[outer bronze]

@jagged pier great video, thanks for sharing. look forward to see a reprisal key

[jagged pier]

cheers man, and yer will see maybe this weekend

[ebon plank]

does prot warriors have any slows they can use on mob packs to help kiting them?

[jagged pier]

TC

[wind surge]

they can't catch you if you go faster

[jagged pier]

fear also gives u time to get our of range

[rough needle]

if it's 1 or 2 you can also**hamstring

i do that to the 2 plague guys in plaguefall before stradama

[median tulip]

The changes to Necrolord make them - at most - a competitive choice for organised content. Getting the most out of the banner effect will require heavy co-ordination that will be beyond most PUGs. So it may be a top choice for serious raiders and static M+ groups, but as an individual choice it probably won't match the other 3.

[ebon plank]

ah thunder clap slows, haha 😄

[ornate sky]

This heavy coordination meme again

[rough needle]

has anyone done the math to see the breakpoint for banner v spear/aftershock

[jagged pier]

i mean its not a meme just poping it randomly will do nothing

[rough needle]

or are we just guessing still

[ornate sky]

Does bloodlust require heavy coordination?

[jagged pier]

i mean u always use BL when ppl have all their cds

so yes

[ornate sky]

Is it heavy?

[jagged pier]

cause if u use it outside its pretty dog

[median tulip]

Bloodlust also affects the whole party/raid, which the banner does not...

[jagged pier]

^^

[ornate sky]

You as a group use cooldowns at similar times naturally

[median tulip]

and, to be honest, Mastery is one of those stats that is really variable in value. Haste tho, Haste is never bad.

[ornate sky]

And two nearest people isn’t difficult on the slightest. Mastery is bad for like elem and one or two others

[jagged pier]

and us tbh 🤷

[median tulip]

^^

[ornate sky]

Heavy coordination is just cope for 1200 of a secondary stat

[jagged pier]

im gunna be honest you looking it at it this way, your gunna loose a lot of value from banner in my opinion

[median tulip]

Well anyway, the point is that Necrolord is not going to automagically spring to the very top of the pile for Warrior, let alone Protection Warrior

It might be competitive, on its own terms, in groups. But I doubt it's going to be overall outcompeting the others man-for-man.

[ornate sky]

Yes but this ‘unless you are in the MDI it will not be good. It is bad in pugs you need to coordinate’ is just daft.

[median tulip]

Half of the people in PUGs can barely manage to press their abilities in the right order

[patent osprey]

what do you mean! im going necro tom ^.^

[median tulip]

You'll excuse me if I'm cynical about their ability to use the banner effectively

[ornate sky]

Including the tank in low key pugs

Same with them effectively using a kyrian spear

[sweet summit]

Plka simping :/

[sand condor]

yikes

[median tulip]

That's fair vodrin, I will grant you

[patent osprey]

can't give good advice about necro unless I do it myself ^.^

else it's all speculation

[sweet summit]

True true

[outer bronze]

ill go necro and simp for my boomies 😢

[bold coral]

Same

[sweet summit]

Sad days :/

[outer bronze]

it is what it is

[sweet summit]

Kinda glad im not in a top guild cos cba being banner bitch

[bold coral]

honeslty i know ill like it more than ill hate it

[wooden spruce]

so at the end, for reprisal we will use BSC+Rav+AM for m+ right? What about trinkets?

[sand condor]

my boomies dont liek me

so i dont simp for them

[compact palm]

Guild wars already has a banner slave warrior getting weird nostalgia

[sweet summit]

Ya probably. Not much, if anything, changes trinket wise

[nocturne steeple]

Hey all

[sweet summit]

So scale/slh/emitter/al'ar etc

Hey buddy

[jagged pier]

phail and decanter

[nocturne steeple]

ive got a question about the upgrade to necrolords on prot

[jagged pier]

[sweet summit]

Yeah?

[outer bronze]

[jagged pier]

[nocturne steeple]

is it good ?

[sweet summit]

Yessir

[jagged pier]

[sweet summit]

Its a lot better

[wooden spruce]

decanter? i had it but the proc rate was very low

[sweet summit]

Probably the best one for organized content

[jagged pier]

does like 4% of my damage

[strong forum]

Decanter is like 120-170 dps

📈

[jagged pier]

☝️

[carmine carbon]

I am stuck debating if I want to swap to necro, the kyrian vials are real nice but I often play with a dk or 2

[nocturne steeple]

hmmm

[wooden spruce]

ok gotta get (again) decanter then

[nocturne steeple]

i mean the pvp us it pretty good

but ive got a mythic team so i could use the banner pretty well

[sweet summit]

Forget the dks, ideally you buff boomkins/mages

Buffing a dk on pull with army and lust might actually be better actually

[outer bronze]

mages? their damage isnt ignite heavy anymore tho?

[sweet summit]

Hmmm

[craggy portal]

Mastery can be good for mages on single target, but multi target it really falls off

[sweet summit]

Aye ^

[outer bronze]

icic

[nocturne steeple]

ferals isnt bad either i think

mastery boosts the bleeds right ?

[compact palm]

Have u seen a feral in m+ in the last month

Because I havnt

[nocturne steeple]

XD

[sweet summit]

Yes i have

[craggy portal]

Didn't they remove feral from the game after 8.3?

[outer bronze]

hey i play feral ;(

[nocturne steeple]

same

[sweet summit]

Feral fuckinh owns dude

[nocturne steeple]

i love feral

but couldnt be bothered to level

[compact palm]

I like the class don't get me wrong

[outer bronze]

im a big blaster feral hmu

[craggy portal]

I ain't sayin its bad, but its like a unicorn. You hear about it but never see one, ever

[nocturne steeple]

XD

[carmine carbon]

The group I usually run with is unholy dk, bm hunter, aff lock and resto shammy so I am back and forth

[compact palm]

They are just more rare then gordan Ramsey saying he likes the food I link him on Twitter

[carmine carbon]

Feral is popping though

[sweet summit]

Dk+afflock mastery 📈

[nocturne steeple]

i normally have a boomy iwth me

[ionic fern]

Wait, does feral actually do damage?

[carmine carbon]

Yeah

[sweet summit]

Yes dude

[nocturne steeple]

or a paladin

[sweet summit]

They slap

[nocturne steeple]

is mastery good for paladin ?

[sweet summit]

Yes

[nocturne steeple]

well then XD

[carmine carbon]

Feral like one of the best melee specs

[nocturne steeple]

its got bgi cleave too

if u talent smart

for m+

[craggy portal]

If balance wasn't as broken as it is then you'd see more ferals.

[sweet summit]

Feral is bad cos boomkin is good

[carmine carbon]

I thought pally mastery was just consecration or is that only prot?

[ionic fern]

I had one in the +17 i did a whilöe back and he only did 5k overall. 😦

[neat dirge]

im doing the swap

to necro

@ionic fern thoughts?

[strong forum]

Not so sure if win

[neat dirge]

howcome?

[strong forum]

That's my opinion on it

[neat dirge]

new Fleshcraft is buff

and banner is nice

[sweet summit]

Go for it 🤷

[carmine carbon]

Kyrian vials are nice on necrotic and general use

[neat dirge]

yeah thats true

spear is also very nice

[median tulip]

on the subject of trinkets, apparently there are some changes to trinkets on the PTR

[neat dirge]

but for raiding i think necro might be stronger ye?

[craggy portal]

If you're really feeling the necrolord then do it, worst case scenario you swap back and do a quick renown grind.

[sweet summit]

Everything got buffed lol

And some got nerfed

[carmine carbon]

Probably stronger in raid

[sweet summit]

Idk

Doesnt change anything

[ionic fern]

Atm i'm thinking about getting another coffe,why?

[neat dirge]

i mean on swapping to necro

LOL

[ionic fern]

😂

[carmine carbon]

Necro would probably be bad on sludgefist

[ionic fern]

I mean, go for it.
It will be a personal DPS loss but a groups DPS increase if you can line it up properly.

And it'll be good in raids.

[wooden spruce]

same here, ending my night shift and ran out of energy drinks

[neat dirge]

yeah im gonan do a weakaura for the Banner

[ionic fern]

I'm really happy with Covenants right now tbh. They all have a place now.

[neat dirge]

thats gonna message x players "gather at Me" bla bla bla

[ionic fern]

Just pissed that it takes forever to change.

😂

[neat dirge]

if i swap

and then would swap back

what happens?

i never swapped

[wooden spruce]

a "get over here" emote haha

[ionic fern]

It will take like 2 weeks.

iirc

[sweet summit]

You go back to where you left off

[neat dirge]

oh really?

[ionic fern]

Because you gotta prove your "worth" or w/e.

[sweet summit]

Yea

[neat dirge]

so i dont loose progress

[compact palm]

I have done every campaign to 36 on one toon

[sweet summit]

Renown/anima and all stay

[compact palm]

It doesn't take as long as people say

[sweet summit]

At that covenant

[neat dirge]

interesting

[ionic fern]

o.o I haven't done one 36 even on one toon.

[neat dirge]

so its not like i loose all my progress?

[craggy portal]

If you do the first week's quests on a monday, you can do the 2nd week's on a tuesday and swap back quickly.

[compact palm]

I tried then all as war

[sweet summit]

You have to start fresh on the new covenant, bjt the one you left keeps everything

[nocturne steeple]

who wants to amke the switch with me brothers

[craggy portal]

So while its 2 weeks, it wont feel "as bad" as it sounds

[ionic fern]

I'm probably swapping to NF tho.
or Venthyr. 👀

[neat dirge]

@sweet summit thats great

[compact palm]

I mean after 30 u basically have everything u need

[neat dirge]

i heard if u swap back u cant get catch up renowned

is that true?

[compact palm]

And the rate at which u get them seems to be higher until u get closer to the current max

[sweet summit]

Thats not true

You can easily catch up

[neat dirge]

ok nice

[compact palm]

Seems

Just do it

Make ur dreams come true

[neat dirge]

YAAAAAAAAAA

im a bit scared of doing it

but im doing it

[nocturne steeple]

ill join u @neat dirge

FOR MALDRAXXUS

[neat dirge]

Necrochad?

Lets goo

[ionic fern]

For Draka.

[compact palm]

Something sounds wrong therr

Necrochad

[nocturne steeple]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[sweet summit]

Mwahi not you too...

[craggy portal]

@neat dirge My warlock buddy swapped back to his original covenant and was able to get full renown catchup

[wooden spruce]

is that you Karen?

[compact palm]

U either simp for drama or u simp for theotar

[neat dirge]

@ionic fern man of culture

im a orc female

😉

[nocturne steeple]

IT IS DOOOOOOOOOOONE

[ionic fern]

Well, i got good news and bad news.
The good news is that I got reprisal implemented in simc.
The bad news is that It's around 5% better on ST than The Wall. (Depending on talents ofc)

[neat dirge]

@craggy portal dope

[sweet summit]

O dam

[wooden spruce]

gonna be fun this week with so many covenant changes

[wooden spruce]

oh

[neat dirge]

@ionic fern so its better then the wall?

[ionic fern]

Only if you can properly charge etc.

[neat dirge]

i see

thats interesting

[ionic fern]

But it's iffy in raid fights.

[nocturne steeple]

i love the wall

super good in M+

[ionic fern]

Should be able to sim yourselves soon and see what comes up ahead.

[neat dirge]

the wall is easier to use

and more rtard friendly

so ill use that

[ionic fern]

I also fixed Venthyr APL so now you guys don't use IP above 80% HP and below 20%
Get that Condemn spam going

[neat dirge]

in raids

[sweet summit]

Is live with nightly or on reset?

[wooden spruce]

similar to legion destiny driver on how you use it?

[neat dirge]

nightly right?

im eu so im still 1 day behind yall

[sweet summit]

We're also EU

[neat dirge]

oh shit

waddup

[ionic fern]

SOOOOON. I made a PR for it but Melekus has to confirm it.

Hopefully on reset.

[nocturne steeple]

@neat dirge u ally ?

[sweet summit]

Sounds good, great work

[neat dirge]

Horde

[nocturne steeple]

sad violin

[neat dirge]

imma do Thorgast before i swap Covenent

i need reprisal

and truth be told ive slacked on doing thorgast

[jagged pier]

i made repirsal this morning

📈

[sweet summit]

O i need to do torghast this week :/

[neat dirge]

C H A D

[sand condor]

oh man

jake

i actually learned some stuff from your vic

vic

vid

ffs

[jagged pier]

[compact palm]

Vic's a cool guy

[jagged pier]

thats what is there for

[sand condor]

like the soulcleavers shockwave+spell reflect

that's pog

[jagged pier]

dont fuk it up like me

[neat dirge]

wait jakey has vids

link plz

[jagged pier]

same with the dragon thingys in SoA

[neat dirge]

link ytube

[jagged pier]

u can stun them all and SR all the casts to do uber damage

[neat dirge]

@jagged pier plz link

[jagged pier]

yer 2 secs

[neat dirge]

ty

[sweet summit]

Ye the etherdivers or whatever

[jagged pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCa04Fs3Pwo&ab_channel=Jakeyplops

[orchid frigate]

whats up with that bugged tick that flies in under the cliff in SD?

[stray gazelle]

Anyone got tips on fastest renown catch-up I’m spamming heroics did all raid LFR normal and heroic only at like 22

[lofty widget]

tag it before you pull anything else then it will aggro like normal

[sweet summit]

Idk irs just vibing under the floor

[orchid frigate]

thanks!

[sweet summit]

It will aggro once u pull boss if youre too late anyway so no big deal

[sweet summit]

Do campaign?

[lofty widget]

ive had it bug out once, was really awkward to miss like .2 % at the end of the urn

[neat dirge]

@jagged pier ty

[sand condor]

jake the god

[jagged pier]

[sand condor]

i honestly cant wait to play prot next week

im excited again

having been given the chance to actually tank is super nice

[ionic fern]

Me: "Oh, can't wait for next week for the buffs and legendaries!!!"
NExt week:

[jagged pier]

☝️

[median tulip]

F

[wind surge]

😐

[wooden spruce]

bolstering would be a good way to test reprisal..no? guys?

D:

[ionic fern]

I'm just gonna do 15's next week to test it out.
Cba doing anything serious.

😦

[jagged pier]

well the key change tho

u need to do at least a 16

[ionic fern]

What change?

[jagged pier]

the degrading thing

[wind surge]

don't you just have to time a 15 now

to get a 15

[ionic fern]

What did they change??

👀

[wind surge]

or was it the other way

[brittle owl]

@jagged pier oh shit u bri'ish

[sweet summit]

It used to be highest key completed in s1 -1, now its back to bfa formula

[jagged pier]

yus not that type tho

[brittle owl]

u wot

[jagged pier]

LUL

[cinder fern]

If you time your key though it's at the same level the next week, not degraded.

[wind surge]

yeah that's what I understood

you are "punished" if you don't time it

[sweet summit]

Oh right

[desert aurora]

hey i know this has been asked probs a lot of times but what follower will you use on 9.0.5

[wooden spruce]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/894131
there's the latest info (3 days ago)

[sweet summit]

Follower?

[desert aurora]

soulbind*

[sweet summit]

Covenant?

[desert aurora]

nero

[sweet summit]

Emeni

[uncut juniper]

M+ gives 135 valor points no matter what key lvl? wtf are they thinking? :D Gonna spam those low keys for Valor Cap on Day 1 lol.

[desert aurora]

ty

[sand condor]

boosting guildies now have value

nice

[wind surge]

didn't they up the cap to 8750

[sand condor]

do you need to get KSM on alts to upgrade the ilvl ot max

or if you get ksm on one

you get boost it on all?

[wind surge]

think you get it on all

since it's account wide ?

[sand condor]

😮

[wind surge]

gearing alt new method

[uncut juniper]

should be the case yea

[wind surge]

run 50 m0

[sweet summit]

KSM is a feat so its acc wide

[wind surge]

buy 226 gear

[sand condor]

220*

not 226

[wind surge]

oh yeah

[sand condor]

[wooden spruce]

max cap is 8.75k, first week 5k valor cap

[sand condor]

also

trinket buffs

nice

[wind surge]

way better than when it was 1500 first week

[wooden spruce]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321294/castle-nathria-and-mythic-dungeon-trinket-buffs-on-shadowlands-patch-9-0-5-ptr
yeh

[rough needle]

you can intercept the ricocheting blade in the xav wing of theater of pain

[uncut juniper]

hmmm... ricocheting blade 🤔

[sacred flame]

What will be m+ go to covenant after patch?

[empty spindle]

What are the two best trinkets for prot

[jagged pier]

[empty spindle]

Reeeee

[jagged pier]

only really stand out trinkets

[brittle owl]

scale for days

[jagged pier]

scale, vintage, SLH, emitter, phial, decanter

[eager phoenix]

pvp proc, pvp on use also Solid

[empty spindle]

Thunder lords is no longer the m+ leggo ??

[eager phoenix]

[sand condor]

i mean'

[jagged pier]

never was the m+ leggo

[sand condor]

does this make decanter

actually worth it

[jagged pier]

already was worth i was using it in the video 📈

[sand condor]

but it does so little damage

wait

i am thinking of the damage it did for me as fury

[jagged pier]

4% of my damage 🤔

[empty spindle]

Wait what

Everybkdh said thunder lords

For m+

[jagged pier]

bkdh?

[sand condor]

everbody

or very blooddk demonhunter

[jagged pier]

was gunna say what do they know about prot warrior

[ionic fern]

ANyone here willing to log onto PTR for 5 minutes on necro warri?

[brittle owl]

everybloodknightdemonhunter

[empty spindle]

Everybody **

[jagged pier]

and even if it was everybody we havent been saying that been preference for months between the wall or thunderlords

[charred ivy]

what do u guys prio in defensive? IP or SB?

[ionic fern]

SB.

[sick sentinel]

SB obviously

[empty spindle]

So reprisal

Is the best leggo for m+

What slot ?

[sick sentinel]

IP to dumb rage and smooth dmg intake

legs for reprisal right

[charred ivy]

do SB help with magic dmg?

[torn light]

can someone point me in the direction of the new prot meta, with current 9.0.5 changes am i a necrolord buff bot with reprisal lego?

[sick sentinel]

not at all 😄

[charred ivy]

thats why i thought ip is important xD

[brittle owl]

very rarely do you deal with pure magic damage

[sick sentinel]

it is but you have spell reflect and IP for that, after all, you should know when magic dmg is coming

[ionic fern]

You can pretty freely take which ever Covenant.
Necrolord will reduce your personal DPS but improves your group overall damage.

And yes, Reprisal/The Wall would most likely be the legendaries you are looking to take in most contents.

[empty spindle]

So I’ve been running thunder lords for nothing 😂😂

[jagged pier]

its fine till reset

then its pretty much dead

[empty spindle]

So legs for reprisal ?

[sick sentinel]

Can't wait to get reprisal in 2 days, it will def be something for M+. Hate when I jump on a group and I have to use 2 spells before before SB or my party dies 😄 😄 😄

[jagged pier]

yus

[charred ivy]

how r they swapping reprisal?

[sick sentinel]

after charge or intervene, you get SB for 4 sec, 20 more rage and free Revenge

[charred ivy]

ahh cool

[sick sentinel]

which is awesome, you charge a new pack, you already have your main defensive (aka SB) up and you have a revenge ready to get aggro + rage if you want to use on more revenge or IP

[charred ivy]

ye seems nice xD

[sick sentinel]

can't wait to test it in my M+ keys

since I have wall 4 but only thunder lord 1 and have been tanking M+ with Wall

it;s nice but it misses the utility for every pack

[charred ivy]

ye i main fury so just have thunderlord low for m+

[strong forum]

I used TL only for week 1

Then hard swapped to wall

[charred ivy]

and we get a 10% aura buff dmg?

[sick sentinel]

yep

• another 10% for thunder clap yey ! 😄

[sick sentinel]

TBH I haven't been tanking a lot M+ in the beginning, that's why I was with only level 1 but in theory it's nice right ? If you go for Booming voice and use thunder lord, you use it so often in M+ that it should be good

[charred ivy]

rly? cool

[strong forum]

Yes TL was perfectly fine to play

But it's gonna get obsolete with next patch

[sick sentinel]

ah ok, so the reprisal is just taking its place I guess

[strong forum]

If you go for dmg you play seismic, if you go for tanky you play reprisal

[gaunt crane]

Oh my so i need to craft a new legendary again 👀

[strong forum]

Si

[sick sentinel]

I don't even have whirlwind on my bars 😄 😄 😄

[strong forum]

Revenge

[sick sentinel]

I didn't even know it was for revenge too omg 😄 I thought it was only for whirlwind ........................ 😄

[wooden spruce]

@ionic fern for raid, if we go reprisal, we will go BSC instead of BV like m+ or not worth the dps over rage or havent checked it out yet?

[sweet summit]

BSC with reprisal

[empty spindle]

BSC 👀

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

Not sure if reprisal is good for Raid content, at least not where you have just a boss and no trash. The utility provided by The wall is much bigger in my opinion

[sweet summit]

Reprisal is better if you can charge weave

[wind surge]

so sun's king

[astral crystal]

tclap will finally do more than negative threat

blessed

[wooden spruce]

but it wouldnt kill trying it, i mean start pulling with charge, up your SB then swap aggro, when you're near to swap again, watch the timer before to intervene then charge, up SB, rinse and repeat

[charred ivy]

is this gonna make prot very good tank?

[sweet summit]

Shriekwing, hungering, sunking, artificer, sludge. slg? Sire?

[wooden spruce]

i mean, its similar to how destiny's drive lego worked in legion

[sweet summit]

I dont even know what that is

[sick sentinel]

Absolutely 😄

[astral crystal]

also i agree with wall still being better for raids anyway, not like you have a block deficit on any boss atm

[sweet summit]

But reprisal is more damage

[astral crystal]

cringe

[sweet summit]

And more damage = good

[sick sentinel]

dead tank doesn't do dmg you know 😄

[astral crystal]

reprisal isn't bad for survivability

just personally have a handful of shield walls in raids is just too good

sire as a prot warr is a nightmare, swall there is godlike

[sick sentinel]

you have almost 100% uptime on your SB when swapping with another tank, not sure that 20rage and 1 free revenge gonna make big difference in dps

[sweet summit]

~5%

[astral crystal]

yuge

[deft bloom]

Will we weaving charges and intervenes in mythic + now with reprisal Leggo?

[sweet summit]

If you play reprisal in raid yes

Oh m+, also yes

[deft bloom]

I'll try to get a 190 reprisal at least

Seems worth

[sick sentinel]

BTW guys, what stats are you going for as protection warrior ? I really like haste and mastery but my sims show that mastery and haste stat weight are 0.65 while versa and crit are 0.75 and 0.98....

[vestal cypress]

Hope i dont Kill to many meele‘s with Bad intervene timings 😂

[sweet summit]

Dont use stat weights

If you wanna sim for dps use top gear

[sick sentinel]

It might be because of the diminishing returns, I have 26% haste without Into the Frey and 39% mastery. Ok thanks Erga

[median tulip]

Highest iLvl, and if there's still a choice after that I aim for 20%ish Haste when using The Wall.

[sick sentinel]

At least with haste and mastery items, I can be decent fury warr too 😄 😄 😄

really wish i did any content at all this week on my warrriot besides torghast

Really easy M+ week, try to do something

haven't touched a single key since that night i was getting hit with -100% damage and fucked the key

I did all 16 and a single 17 this week 😄

didn't really liked tanking in M+ before but this week, it was really nice one 😄

theatre of pain like 7 or something? trying to learn the routes and whatever and one random run, TOP and get to the disease part, its not being interupted or dispelled, we wipe multiple times

i'm confused why im doing literal 1-5 damage, dude quits next pull because we wont make timer, just 1 trash pack and 2 bosses

that was enough to make me never want to tank again, ever

was like that too, get a group of friends (guildies) and just push keys together

nope, they only used me for my tank spec and even if i did runs for them, they wouldnt do runs for me

[charred ivy]

does it matter what part u make reprisal on?

[sick sentinel]

Legs give you more stat for 10ilvl higher 🙂

the guy he appointed gm, his brother, one of the first thing he types to me is "now i know who to stay away from" and tries to tell me is BIS tank trinket

[charred ivy]

nice cause i wanted make them on legs haha

[sick sentinel]

almost like the dude is actively telling someone else "avoid this guy"

so, no, guild won't really work either

well, change the guild 😄

if you don't have friends in it, change it 🙂 There are plenty of social or casual guilds that can take you in 😉

i did, don't worry, like any shit guild it fell apart the second the newest co-gm and gm got eachother geared

[strong forum]

You start with like 12% mastery baseline and it scales slightly different

DR's only apply to the actual value gained not just raw%

[astral crystal]

scale buffed

[sick sentinel]

the trinket from dungeon?

[astral crystal]

yeah, tons of trinks got buffs

[sick sentinel]

that's good to hear, i don't have many at a high ilvl, best is 210

[woven tapir]

Guys do you think that protection warrior NECROLORD will be the BIS covenant?

[jagged pier]

[woven tapir]

Thank you

[orchid frigate]

i havent upgraded one single conduit with my stygia 😦

[jagged pier]

i have all at 226 🤷

[orchid frigate]

didnt that cost like a gazillion stygia?

[jagged pier]

i mean u can get like one a day

[orchid frigate]

oh

but if you dont go to the maw... 🙂

[strong forum]

I ain't spending 30+ days straight in there

Fite me

[orchid frigate]

i would put in an effort if i could target which one i would upgrade

atm im hoping for some catch up mechanic

[jagged pier]

potency conduits are gunna drop in raid at some point aren they?

[strong forum]

Yea with 9.0.5 I think

Catchup will be at the latest in 9.1 frender

Cuz new ilvl cap thus new conduit drops skipping over the 226

[sick sentinel]

Same here 😄

[dusty yacht]

Yo guys !

[jagged pier]

hi

[dusty yacht]

Someone know how much time we can stack shield blok ?

[jagged pier]

as much as u want depending on haste

it caps at 18s

tho

[dusty yacht]

Ah 18 ok

[brittle owl]

it's capped at 3x AM duration

or smthing around there

[dusty yacht]

just to know for the new legendary

[brittle owl]

this is universal across all tanks

[dusty yacht]

what you guys think about 'reversal' rework ?

[jagged pier]

busted

[grave sail]

Busted good?

[jagged pier]

yus

[dusty yacht]

ins't like exeptional legendary acros all tanka ctually ?

[strong forum]

Not rly no

It's equal with thrash leggo I'd say

[dusty yacht]

warrior tank can't come back in top tank meta m+ with this ?

[brittle owl]

who knows

[jagged pier]

why does it matter if we are at the top or not?

[brittle owl]

and, imma be real

who cares

[jagged pier]

just play the class if u like it

[brittle owl]

people care too much about dumb shit

[sweet summit]

I care 😢

[brittle owl]

shut up weeb

[sweet summit]

🤡

[dusty yacht]

I care^^, i'm just trying to snipe wich tank gon a be really good next season, i like this war change a lot

but depend on set also , we don't know them for now

[brittle owl]

[jagged pier]

i mean next season is like july august bit early to tell as there will be more changes before then

[strong forum]

^

Vdh will very likely still be better than any other tank

[brittle owl]

buff AM's already

[rare kraken]

vdh will be better as long as kiting meta remains a thing

[dusty yacht]

Yeah , the change on Vdh look like a buff

[strong forum]

Pwar will just be more in-line with everything else

[brittle owl]

meta nerf gonna be so bad

[earnest pond]

in raid at all or just M+? I just made a prot war so first legendary will be tonight

[strong forum]

Bears don't really kite

And they're doing 25s aswell

[jagged pier]

[brittle owl]

yeah but bears are animals so

[dusty yacht]

xd

[rare kraken]

I keep forgetting bears are the only tank that can facetank

I have yet to see a bear tank lol

[jagged pier]

what do u mean only tank

[rare kraken]

I mean

most tanks I've seen have to kite after a few seconds once their cds are up

I've heard bear tanks can just stand still

[fervent smelt]

Coming from a guild with mostly bear tanks, they absolutely have to kite

[earnest pond]

That is helpful thanks. Can you see using reprisal at all in raids? Just seems like a lot of work to proc it vice the wall always being of value

[jagged pier]

can have its moments

in CN pretty hard to use imo

[brittle owl]

bear has the best defensive sustain atm

[jagged pier]

im aware

but the only tank

i still dont really kite in 17s/18s tbh

[brittle owl]

20+ bro

very few tanks kite in an 18

if any

[rich helm]

îs it just me or do we get unnormal ammount of dmg in plaguefall ?

[orchid frigate]

at what ilvl?

[brittle owl]

idk, relevant ilvl , 220 ish

+/-

[orchid frigate]

kk

[royal harness]

I mean I had to kite in a mist 10 and hoa 10 at 202 ilvl...

you can't say just very few tanks kite it's not true

ofc you stop kiting if you completely overgear the content

[jolly thistle]

Lots of magic debuffs/hits. It’s probably one of the worst dungeons for prot even if you play everything with plagueborers

[royal harness]

I don't kite as well on my 225 geared main

[cobalt oxide]

my paladin at 219 does have to kite quite a bit in an 18. but that's paladin for ya

[ionic fern]

There's a lot of non blockable damage there.

[cobalt oxide]

tip for plaguefall: always bring a poison and disease dispel or you'll not have fun

[earnest pond]

Just leveled a prot war, think with the valor changes will make gearing through dungeons manageable or should I just run RBGs as Arms?

[sweet summit]

Both

[cobalt oxide]

the answer's always been both

[orchid frigate]

im so tempted to go venth and do some more RBGs as arms rn 😄

[cobalt oxide]

it's just dungeons are now a bigger part and better esp if you don't wanna pvp

[cobalt oxide]

venthyr pvp is meh

[earnest pond]

Fair enough. I'm comfortable enough doing it in dungeons and I want my first lego to be for prot not Arms for RBS

rbgs

[strong forum]

Gearing through valor is useless

It's only good to upgrade gear from 210 to 220

Anything else is absolutely impossible

[brittle owl]

you're impossible

[smoky wave]

And yet he still exists!

[ionic fern]

Oh, maybe i'll finally hit 220 then.

[cobalt oxide]

just like the valor system?

[ionic fern]

[nimble sky]

its good for alts, nobody gives a fuck about 220ilvl on main

[astral crystal]

i mean the valor trickle is super slow

[eager phoenix]

its too slow

[astral crystal]

your main source of gearing is still valult + pvp

*vault

you use valor to fill in gaps

[eager phoenix]

and with the stupid 1500 wallet cap you cant spend before you get something worth upgrading. so yeah, fill the gaps (most likely a trinket)

[lone hearth]

seems the wallet cap is not a thing

or its a bug that i got removed on ptr

[eager phoenix]

oh ok

[nimble sky]

it got removed afaik

[cobalt oxide]

it's good to fill slots, personally I've still got a couple that 220 would be p nice

[nimble sky]

@cobalt oxide well, ye, if somebody doing only m+, guess he can use some 220 still, but most of the people are already 220/226

[smoky wave]

I've got loads it'll help with. Gotta remember if you're hitting over 15 you're still in the minority of players

[nimble sky]

well, you also need to hit all 15 timed before you can even upgrade to 220

so, this wont help ppl stucked at 10-14 keys

[eager phoenix]

where does +10 ksm take you

213?

[cobalt oxide]

yup 213

[smoky wave]

It'll help a chunk. We're planning through cn hc once a week, and doing 10-14 and even to 213 will be useful for people who've had unlucky vaults, bad trinkets (184 scale still). It'll defo help my group patch the gaps that'll help us over the 15 line

[cobalt oxide]

my main is 221 avg and I've still got plenty of slots at 210/213

[lusty furnace]

valor system isn't really doing anything this season, will help out come 9.1.

It's just nice getting it earlier

[eager phoenix]

im just tunnel visioning on getting a real ilvl on a scale

was using 184 until 220 vintage finally dropped

[lusty furnace]

In my m+ group one player hasn't touched raiding and is like 224-225 somehting out of solely vault and 1800. PVP will be less mandatory and you'll just gear faster next season with Conq and Valor loot

[cobalt oxide]

isn't vintage kinda just a shit scale?

[eager phoenix]

yeah but if the choice is 220 vintage vs 184 scale

i mean. ill take the vintage

[cobalt oxide]

I guess

[eager phoenix]

but like 184 scale vs 207 vintage? nah scale for sure

str diff going 184 to 220 felt Worth

[cobalt oxide]

that's fair

[dapper coral]

Vintage is (arguablly) a better raid trinket than BSS. For M+, I'd take BSS any day

assuming equal ilvl

[smoky wave]

Assuming equal item level assumes bss actually drops.

I'm accepting I'm dumping a lot of valor into the 184 I'll spend the next week farming.

[earnest pond]

When you guys talk about gearin in pvp are you going arms for arena/RBGs or Prot in RBGS?

[strong forum]

Well how do you plan to gear up as alt, when 3ilvl upgrade costs 250-1k valor

[sweet summit]

Arms arena personally

[strong forum]

[eager phoenix]

go arms and swing in rbg/arena whatever you fancy

[nimble sky]

@strong forum you play that alt ?

[eager phoenix]

prot pvp is poopy, guardian/dh does it better

[strong forum]

Yes but the valor system is useless for alts

That's the topic

[cobalt oxide]

we still don't know how much valor drops from keys

[nimble sky]

its not useless, it is useless for this season

[cobalt oxide]

that's the major factor here

[eager phoenix]

Valor for alts works if youre doing like +9 weeklies on that alt and want to round those GV picsk to 220 😄

[nimble sky]

50 valor is per calling

[dapper coral]

Not exactly

25 per blue calling chest, 50 per epic chest

[strong forum]

Next season cap starts at 750 increasing 750 per week right, and upgrading gear 3ilvl costs 250-1000.

How is that useful

[lone hearth]

how is it not?

[strong forum]

3ilvl on 1 piece

[earnest pond]

Damn, I made a prot war as an alt from my DK. thought they might be better in RBGs than BDK 😦

[strong forum]

For 1-2 weeks worth of currency

[lone hearth]

its lit one m raid ilvl per week + 1 upgrade

[strong forum]

How is that good

[nimble sky]

it is just extra item every 1-2 weeks, why still whining about everything

[lone hearth]

u still get vault item

[eager phoenix]

your in the same boat as your main. you round off 2-3 items a few ilvls. no way your going all the way from, idk, 190 to 220 on multiple item slots

[nimble sky]

ppl whining about shit ilvl and not doing raid nor PVP

[strong forum]

It's absolutely useless, since you don't want to upgrade low gear

[brittle owl]

great vault will make for some really feelsbad moments with valor

[solemn magnet]

The worst part of Valor is the item you want actually has to drop..

[lone hearth]

u can get 2 gud items a week, one 226 vault and a 220 upgrade

[strong forum]

You can't get the 220

What are you talking about

[lone hearth]

having ksm u can upgrade to 220

[strong forum]

A 210 to 220 costs 750 - 4k valor

Depending on piece

[nimble sky]

if I get 210 phial, I will be glad, that I can upgrade it to 220, that´s it

[eager phoenix]

4 weeks to round off 1 item

its yikes m8

[strong forum]

For alts

[brittle owl]

it's ok

[strong forum]

Valor is terrible

[brittle owl]

valor will be fixed in 9.3 after they learn what made it good in tbc

[eager phoenix]

your gearing the same way as now. aim for 1600/1800, grind those conquests. focus valor on 1-2 trinkets. maybe weapon if 1800 rating isnt happening

[brittle owl]

tbh in the current iteration

valor should just give you an extra roll on great vault

at varying point levels to determine ilvl

[astral crystal]

or allow you to spend valor on pvp gear :^)

[brittle owl]

spend 4k valor roll on a 226 item

[strong forum]

They should've made it the exact same way as conquest

[jagged pier]

u cant get to 226 with valor tho right?

[brittle owl]

or like conquest ye

[jagged pier]

its legit 220

i mean a 220 phial would be good

and a 220 scale

as im still to get one

[strong forum]

Yes 1 singular item

[jagged pier]

[eager phoenix]

nah, they should do the pvp treatment and have the upgrades in bulk. x->200->207->213->220

[strong forum]

But the intended way for valor was that you can effectively gear from m+

Which you can't

Even with valor in place

[modern brook]

its not?

[strong forum]

Not even remotely

It's completely backwards

[modern brook]

lol

I didnt read anything on this

[brittle owl]

it's worse than wrath valor

[strong forum]

You need KSM and the max ilvl from m+ before you start thinking about using the valor to upgrade an item

[brittle owl]

it's like

[sweet summit]

KSM is acc wide

[brittle owl]

oh hey you wanted valor but we have valor at home

valor at home:

[latent oyster]

Got a question. Should i mage Reprisal legendary on Leg slot or on the feet?

make*

[eager phoenix]

leg

[nimble sky]

legs

[latent oyster]

ty ❤️

[sweet summit]

Left leg

[brittle owl]

🦵

[cobalt oxide]

then you couldn't upgrade items from keys in between those brackets like 210's from 15's

[eager phoenix]

i wasnt clear: have it within the range: 200-206 ilvl? upgrade once and it bumps you to 207

[cobalt oxide]

then you'd have to pay the same amount to get a 203 item to 207 as you would a 200 item

[strong forum]

Yeah you have to upgrade twice to get from 200 to 207 iirc

[eager phoenix]

yeah

but your upgrading once

[strong forum]

Which is 500-2000 valor already

[eager phoenix]

not twice

[strong forum]

Ye but current system is like that right

From 184 to 220 is 12 steps

[eager phoenix]

yeah, im arguing id like it to be 4 steps

in total

[strong forum]

As it should be

[cobalt oxide]

why

[strong forum]

It's too expensive currently

[cobalt oxide]

4 steps vs 12 makes 0 difference if the total price remains the same

[solemn magnet]

It's still come out to the same total Valor regardless of number of steps

[eager phoenix]

its silly seeing 1/12 when you start off

its stupid and unrewarding bumping 1x item 3 ilvls

[cobalt oxide]

4 steps just makes it so you'd never want a 210 item and instead farm 13/14 for 207's

[remote tusk]

1/12 is like the lowest variant, M+2 ? :\

[eager phoenix]

in pvp i go 200->207 etc

[strong forum]

M0 is 184

[astral crystal]

what goyim, you don't like getting 50 valor per dungeon when you need 1500 for an upgrade?? :^)))

[eager phoenix]

yeah ofc you skip the low shit if youre farming. probably worth farming anyting 7+ for your item since the base is 200 then

[cobalt oxide]

no one knows how much valor we get per dungeon, stop spreading falsehoods

[strong forum]

Even then

[rare kraken]

Have they determined whether or not the valor upgrades tied to achievements are account wide? Needing KSM for 220 upgrades seems super off

[halcyon trench]

Valor system is shit. Good theorical solution, badly came to live. Imagine you were farming valor points to upgrade your weapon for 2394293 weeks. Finally you can upgrade to 220 and the next week you got a weapon 226 in the Vault. Nice..

[astral crystal]

it's not a falsehood dummy, it's an exaggeration

[strong forum]

It's how it is

KSM is accwide

[astral crystal]

hopefully it'll be a minimum of 100 starting at 15

then scaling as you go up

[strong forum]

Even 100 is not enough valor

[astral crystal]

i think that's a target number for keeping m+ alive when everyone's geared out the ass

and missing 1 piece

or 2

[rare kraken]

So Keystone Explorer/Conqueror/Master will allow me to upgrade my gear with valor up to 220 on alts?

[strong forum]

Yea, for an exceedingly high amount of valor

[cobalt oxide]

but that would mean it would actively feel bad to get a 203 item cuz you pay the same amount as you would for a 200 to get to 207
and if you didn't have to pay the same amount then that's just the 12 steps we started with

[nimble sky]

for me personally, drop 210 vial is worse, than drop 210 and upgrade it to 220 for 1200 valor

[strong forum]

Gj 1 item

What about when you need more than 1 item per tier

[nimble sky]

I dont

I miss only phial

[strong forum]

🤦

[eager phoenix]

dream scenario would be if valor upgrading was just like the conquest cost for the base tiem. 1 weeks worth of allowance to go to your max unlocked on ring/cloak/neck etc

[strong forum]

That's not the point

[nimble sky]

well it is, it is extra way, how to make one more item

[cobalt oxide]

would you think the costs are exceedingly high if 15's dropped 250 valor? or 500?

[nimble sky]

that´s it, could be better, of course

[strong forum]

Costs need to be reduced massively per upgrade

Cap is 750 per week

[nimble sky]

everything could be better, mythic bosses can drop 20 items

so we can gear faaast

[strong forum]

You're entirely missing the point intentionally Craetos

[nimble sky]

not 9.0.5, 5k as first week

[strong forum]

Who cares about 9.0.5

[nimble sky]

well, who knows, how valor will work in 9.1, right ?

[rare kraken]

5k as first week but you're only allowed to hold 1500 at a time

[nimble sky]

no

they changed it too

[astral crystal]

it's uncapped isnt it?

[cobalt oxide]

current ptr tooltips suggest the cap might not be 750, look at the most recent post on wowhead

[nimble sky]

even now, we dont know about 9.0.5 for sure and you caring about 9.1 ??

[lone hearth]

if u are complaing for 9.1 then u should go to blizzard feedback not pro warrior discord chat lol

they lit changed the wallet cap in ptr yesterday

or its a bug but could be a chang

[rare kraken]

Considering there's no blue post I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bug

[lone hearth]

blueposts sometimes are missing lots of things tbh

[cobalt oxide]

it's not uncommon for them to update sth and then put out a blue post about it a day or two later

[lone hearth]

im unsure if this is a change as the inicial point they wanted the cap

[cobalt oxide]

so we don't know yet

[lone hearth]

there is trinket buffs too

[grizzled mauve]

So guys a quick question: starting wednsday should necrolord covenant be a “must have” or a “its the better one but you can still do well on kyrian “?

[rare kraken]

Has there been an event in WoW history where they drop a glaringly massive change to a system without saying anything about it

[lone hearth]

and not on bluepost

[rare kraken]

@grizzled mauve Neither

[cobalt oxide]

it is situationally good, not bis

[lone hearth]

its not a big system, its more for the m+ players than the general tbh

[cobalt oxide]

open world ilvl scaling in legion
tank threat change in bfa beta

[lone hearth]

and more than a fix than a cure

as a cure imo would be +20 = same raid gear, but its debatible about how this balance M raiding

[modern brook]

Necrolord is going from "Inting your character by playing it" to "able to use it without being rightfully bullied"

[sweet summit]

Nah we still have the right to bully you for playing necro tbh

[hasty quest]

Maybe guys, im bit confused on new leggo that proc SB, it will be better than the wall?

[lone hearth]

u bully cuz u envy of the tmog kekw

[hasty quest]

I play m+

[lone hearth]

for m+ yes

[rare kraken]

A covenant ability which solely exists to make your dps stronger (and that's only based on certain classes) and the buff is affected by diminishing returns? lmao

[sweet summit]

Yeah youll play reprisal in most dungeons

[lone hearth]

DoS u would use wall

[astral crystal]

still a big snapshot for mastery classes

[strong forum]

Probably

[astral crystal]

and fleshcraft is good now

just gotta accept being cucked now

[modern brook]

I mean honestly

NEcrolords issue is that Warriors covs are very good

and going from unplayable to "usable" isnt enough

[astral crystal]

i think it'll be better than usable, but that depends on practical scenarios

still think kyrian is the overall best

pot just too good

[sweet summit]

Its potentially the best option

[astral crystal]

but when you bring group utility that's a whole other story

[sweet summit]

But it kinda depends on whos playing and who youre buffing

[astral crystal]

mwahi summed it up perfectly in the pin, if you're playing with an organized group, it will be very good

[rare kraken]

yeah it's a big snapshot for mastery classes which doesn't really help you

[sweet summit]

Yeah

Imean

It does lol

[astral crystal]

yeah lol, not like mastery is complete dogshit for warr

you got your little pocket BoM

[smoky wave]

conduit and soulbind give you str with it though right?

[sweet summit]

Yeas

[astral crystal]

yeah

[lone hearth]

about the new banner how does it work as the other player part, does he need to be near me all the time, or i can leap to him use banner and charge back?

[rare kraken]

It helps you but not as much as the other 3 do

[sweet summit]

Think soulbind also gives mainstat to the other two as well but im not sure

[sweet summit]

Snapshots on cast

[smoky wave]

that's quite nice.

[sweet summit]

Yeet and retreat

[lone hearth]

gucci

[rare kraken]

not to mention it'll get worse as tiers go on because DR will affect it more and more

[smoky wave]

doesn't it ignore forced movement for your character too?

[lone hearth]

its a stat not %

[astral crystal]

i mean if it gets bad in later tiers you simply switch to your previous covenant

[lone hearth]

its 400mastery not like 10% mastery

[astral crystal]

when you return to your previous cov you retain everything

do 3 quests monday, do 3 quests tuesday, you're back in, nothing lost

[rare kraken]

Stat rating is affected by DR

Percentage stat is not

[strong forum]

Any raw secondary values are affected by the DR

If you are to break the thresholds

Banner plays into it, any trinket proc

[sweet summit]

Stat DR isnt that heavy rn so its not something to worry about

I get that you dont like banner, so dont play it

But dont tell people its bad

[astral crystal]

he can still call banner bad for 24 more hours

[rich ember]

gotem

[sweet summit]

[astral crystal]

(for NAfriends only)

[lone hearth]

is prot dmg getting anywhere near dh?

[strong forum]

Should

[sweet summit]

Nah

[strong forum]

Wdym nah

[lone hearth]

wut

[sweet summit]

Really?

[strong forum]

With the buffs I think pwar will do same dmg as dh

[rough needle]

prot warrior vs fiery brand build is no longer massive gap, but need someone to do math not just feefees

[sweet summit]

Oh alight

[strong forum]

Outside of spb shenanigans ofc

That doesn't count

Nobody can compete with spb

[sweet summit]

Fair

[lone hearth]

so we could even see prot in mdi lol

[strong forum]

No

[rough needle]

spirit bomb lmao

[sweet summit]

Immo aura conduit got nerfed didnt it?

[strong forum]

Cuz vdh still has meta and spb

Vdh is still better than pwar, I'd be surprised if they weren't

And in mdi setting especially

[halcyon trench]

what does it mean?

[strong forum]

Cuz of feldev, spb meta and cheat death

[sweet summit]

The two closest alles to you as you cast it get and keep the buff

[strong forum]

^

[halcyon trench]

I imagine you use banner then charge

[strong forum]

Or just leap out to said targets, then charge back in yes

[halcyon trench]

problem is maintining threat vs a big moonkin convking with buff

[sweet summit]

Depends on who youre buffing

[strong forum]

Eh, aggro isn't an issue

At all

Especially since convoke is mainly ST dmg

It's not huge aoe burst

[rich ember]

Is it going to be Emeni or Heirmir?

[strong forum]

Emennenmnni

[orchid frigate]

just me that had an issue with invisible volcanoes this week?

[rich ember]

https://tenor.com/view/finding-nemo-anemone-awkward-cant-pronounce-gif-8178744

[dark lark]

If I mismanage my CDs like Avatar Spear and Ravager then yeah I'll have issues with agro. But so would any other class

[neat dirge]

Mages popping combust and going full aoe bangarang doe

[orchid frigate]

sometimes i just get yeeted up

without any volcano at my feet

[strong forum]

Has not been an issue for me ever

[halcyon trench]

I always charge without using taunt, then my moonkin convoke and steal aggro, then I taunt. I'm scared of charge with taunt, he convokes and steal aggro while my taunt is on cd and he is dead

[lone hearth]

@orchid frigate change ur graphics, to some high then go back to ur normal

[strong forum]

You generate 400% more aggro during taunt

[jagged pier]

because Nome is a big boi

[strong forum]

Use it often.

[lone hearth]

i had 0 volcanos

[dark lark]

Ive had more issues with Ret Pallies going ham than fire mages

[lone hearth]

changed and it showed i wasnt seeing ranged ones,

[uneven mason]

This

[astral crystal]

every 4 mins they become powerful

[strong forum]

Perfect challenging shout timing then

[dark lark]

Fire mages typically only rip agro off one mob

[halcyon trench]

Charge while taunt, avatar shield slam and moonkin convoke, steals my aggro. Have been there

[lone hearth]

rolf

[lone hearth]

but they can live it with aggro

[orchid frigate]

reminds me on my futile attempts to keep aggro on my undergeared guardian with a rpala friend that is decently geared for the dungoen we were doing 😦

[lone hearth]

they have bubble too

[uneven mason]

Its because Rets are in melee so when they go ham they generally die before we can taunt back

[dark lark]

Good ret Pallies just bop themselves when they know they have big burst ready to roll

[uneven mason]

🚀 ♿

[rich ember]

That's when you pull out the ol' "what did we learn?"

[strong forum]

Heroic leap and taunt again

[rare kraken]

@sweet summit I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it's not strong enough that you should switch from another covenant

[orchid frigate]

oh ok. will try ty!

[astral crystal]

you do any organized raiding at all?

[jagged pier]

yus

[uneven mason]

Raiding yes, organized hell no.

WINGIT

everypull

[jagged pier]

sounds like raiding to me

[astral crystal]

just sayin t hat's where the redesigned banner will shine

[crisp estuary]

switched to necro - whats the quickest way people have found to farm renown?

[astral crystal]

m+

[jagged pier]

if anything ill fo NF for the DAMAGE

[uneven mason]

do the story, spam keys

[jagged pier]

[astral crystal]

and always do the story when available

[crisp estuary]

ok cool

cheers

[rich ember]

I switched yesterday to prepare, currently 16

[mossy sluice]

Simps

[sweet summit]

oh it can be

[orchid frigate]

i want necro just for mog

[rich ember]

@crisp estuary i don't know if this is a real thing, but it seems like if I do the chapter quests as they come up the renown grind goes faster

[lone hearth]

spam M+ and lfr if u are patient enough i got 8 renow from lfr 10 bosses, and when its missing 9lvl(from the campain) u can do campaing as a whole

[astral crystal]

i tried first 2 wings of LFR and only got 2 renown

not necessarily not worth since it's pretty fast but still

[lone hearth]

yeah

its not 100%

my friend got 3 lvls of renow while i got 8

rolf wowhead post that necro is da best

[jagged pier]

the only guaranteed reknown is covenant quests and campaign the rest is random drop chance

[outer bronze]

i wouldnt do lfr if i got 35 renown from it

disgusting

[dapper coral]

For Mueh'zala's Master of Death, can you just straight up stand in one hit w/ Spell Reflect and take no damage?

or does it just negate the after dot

[astral crystal]

it deflects the whole thing

[sweet summit]

just dodge it and reflect soulcrusher instead

[blazing condor]

However it's better to reflect soulcrusher

unless youre doing easy keys

[wild hemlock]

sooooooo uh is it tuesday yet

[jagged pier]

☝️

[outer bronze]

it says p clearly its the best for group performance if in coordinated team. thats true no?

[dapper coral]

yeah, looking over the SR miniguide now

[sweet summit]

thats true, yeah

[blazing condor]

just go kyrian/nf if youre pugging tbh

[jagged pier]

mwahi typeing

[ionic fern]

Necrolord is the best overall group DPS increase if you're playing with decent people and preferably on comms to line up banner with CD's.
If you're pugging you are better off with Kyrian/NF more than likely for the personal gains.

[distant crystal]

is there any confirmed max range for banner

or is it just two closes allies to infinity

[jagged pier]

15 yards

[outer bronze]

i cant wait to hit my cotank and hpal with banner on progress

coordination

[modern brook]

its time

wings intensify

[outer bronze]

lol

[distant crystal]

p sure mastery contributes like no dmg to hpals tho right

for most healers it doesn't

[modern brook]

i think thats the joke waat

[mossy sluice]

Its hps increase

[jagged pier]

it will be funny if in the new raid theres no way u can abuse it or use it properly as bliz has seen the potential already

lul

[distant crystal]

ur the joke!

[outer bronze]

yeah thats the joke

[distant crystal]

you can still just leap out to a pair of boomies while the other tank holds boss

[outer bronze]

people said the same about PI, now look at us D:

[ionic fern]

New meta for prot warriors.
Leaper Legendary + Necro so we can kite and buff our groups damage.

😂

[jagged pier]

but PI u dont need to move

what if u have to stay withing 10 yards of you cor tank the whole time

🤷

[solemn magnet]

Warcraft logs gonna make a special flag for dps that receive PI and banner