protection

[mighty valley]

maybe this is blood spattered scale privilege talking but i don't really have issues on pull with just a revenge and a SS on prio target

[fickle timber]

it is

when i dont run that trink its bad

need something

i had a 180 that i had to replace in higher keys and only got it back this week

as a 207

[rustic relic]

Do you guys think swapping to Necrolord for raiding in 9.0.5 is the play?

[fickle timber]

probably

although i did like venthyr

condemn was spicy

[rustic relic]

I guess I just don’t wanna swap from Kyrian only to come back at some point before 9.1

[rotund flume]

guys, its viable necrolord for war tank. I saw a guy with a high rio with that covenant playing as prot and fury

dont know if its work tho

[rustic relic]

The only reason I’m asking is because of the changes to Banner

[sick sentinel]

In the pinned messages, it's answered pretty well =]

[warped moth]

hey, planning to start up a prot warrior for next patch+9.1 onwards, was wondering which cov can give me good competitiveness in pvp to farm rating for early gear while also being a good cov pick for raid/m+? is necro looking promising on that front? or just fall back on Kyr?

[gritty pivot]

Does anyone here have logs of mythic Council killing Frieda last? My guild is struggling with the normal order since we don't have any boomkin mains (just OS and alts) and we're considering me swapping to prot to tank and doing that instead.

[signal plover]

Pins

[wooden spruce]

we are struggling on heroic, 4 days and we still cant get them; tried nfs, nsf and nope

[dapper coral]

I'd suggest trying to not do Freida last. Max's last video addresses why in the last 2 minutes of it. It looks absolutely awful and you can just manipulate boss position in p2 to cleave down the waiters

[gritty pivot]

We're like 100+ pulls deep trying the normal order, and hitting a pretty hard mental wall on it. Our RL is just considering it depending on how easy the bone spike damage will be to heal.

We're also missing like three of our current pumpers for waiter damage and grips etc for the next month, so it's gonna be even more of a hassle.

[dapper coral]

Frieda last has some gnarly overlaps AND some DPS checks

[shut summit]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hAa8mGgHP3M7DwZd#fight=16&type=damage-done

only logs ive seen with frieda last

might be others idk

[dapper coral]

You can use other abilities to knock mobs in during times when you don't have to stack

Typhoon from any druid, shining force, chains, grip, I'm sure there's more but it doesn't just have to Aboms or Death Grip

[gritty pivot]

We've tried Frieda last for like an hour-ish and ended up the same prog we did last time (getting to the last intermission) but people weren't prepared for that so we ended up going back. The only displacements we really have are 2 hunter knocks and our blood DK grips.

[dapper coral]

https://youtu.be/3o928Pa5Qic

[gritty pivot]

Our comp is uhh, subpar to say the least.

[wooden spruce]

doing nfs we reached p3 and got stravos to 53% but died on the second row of dancers, at least is progress and didnt let us down, still many of us are with ilvl to start doing mythic but we dont wanna pug yet

[gritty pivot]

Ty, I'll just throw it at my RL and see what he wants to do for next week. ❤️

[wanton condor]

I think we just do NSF for heroic, fredia last is easy if you just put her in one corner during p3 and pull to the next corner after the big spread mechanic

[red wave]

Anyone happen to see the blue post as to why they downranked Reprisal again? Loss of Ignore Pain and 30% of SBlock seems excessive considering prot is the worst tank spec by quite a bit right now.

[outer solstice]

we are the worst in terms of damage

[wanton condor]

because it's still really fucking amazing?

[dapper coral]

Pretty sure the question was about mythic Frieda last, and said "normal order" to refer to the normal mythic order

[outer solstice]

and it was at the same moment theyy gave us the 10% aura buff

[wanton condor]

Arwald was talking heroic

[dapper coral]

And Mat asked about mythic lol

Nat*

[red wave]

Seems not, thanks.

[wanton condor]

right, hence why I said heroic, I can't help on mythic but I can help there

but getting a free 8s of SB and 2x Revenge! procs at the beginnings of pulls is huge

[reef bluff]

Yo thinking about going warrior, is the buff to necro worth it?

[wanton condor]

if you run BSC that's a lot of snap aggro

[reef bluff]

Prot go necro no?

[outer solstice]

pins

[reef bluff]

oops

my bad

[dusky mica]

We did sfn on heroic

[outer solstice]

snf here on heroic xD xD

but yeah heroic is kinda of a joke

[gritty pivot]

Yeah, we're literally hard carrying like 10+ socials on heroic doing meme orders every week, but mythic is just a hard wall for us. Trying to see what else we can do.

Our only boomkin is one of our main healers, other than our officer's like 205 iLvl alt, who's also a healer.

So shuffling around four people to play specs they're not fond of is a bit eh.

[outer solstice]

probably better if they play their main speccs, unless they actually want to put the work in

[gritty pivot]

Yeah, that's why I was asking for Frieda last logs, since that would mean having no boomies.

[wooden spruce]

yeah sorry, i just wanted to ask to those that have done heroic, i just rebuilt my old guild and many ol members came back to the game because of it, so we are trying to clear hero, but we have manys 205 (we are only 5 over 212) so council's been a pain in the ass for us

not count my off tank, a dh, loves to eat every single damage he souldn't, and we dont have another thank (pugging=1 hour less of raiding)

and it gets harder to list for a tank when they look we are from Quel

[dusky mica]

I’m usually asleep on council, boring tank fight

[placid frigate]

Will Kyrian still be pretty good despite the buffs to Necrolord? or should i get ready to swap to Necro

[fluid gust]

The pin explains it quite well imo

[placid frigate]

oh my bad, thanks @fluid gust

[dusky mica]

I hate kyrian but necro banner still doesn’t benefit me enough to give a shit

[placid frigate]

I kinda dig the spear personally

fun to throw

[rotund canyon]

Kyrian is nice since spear lets u kite

[plush saffron]

What's an off tank?

[fluid gust]

Guys, I just want to make sure I got that right: I take Ravager if I don't take unstoppable Force in Higher (or harder) keys, cus I'll (most likely) need Bolster, correct?
Or is Ravager just very good right now?

[plush saffron]

You'll take AM over bolster if you run reprisal

[fluid gust]

every second weekend off

[plush saffron]

I could get on that

[fluid gust]

ahhh, so the (new) leggi will smooth my initial mitigation enough to pick AM?

[plush saffron]

yes

[fluid gust]

amazing!

[dusky mica]

Ravager for mplus, yes

[fluid gust]

Even with reprisal?

[rotund canyon]

Any good addons or weakauras u guys use to announce defensives?

[dusky mica]

I don’t see why it would change with reprisal

[plush saffron]

avatar will be up more if ppl previously ran bolster, making UF have a lot more use

[fluid gust]

If your eyes glaze over if you have to much icons u could use sounds vor specific important long cds you loose track of

[wanton condor]

basically taking AM over Bolster is to make up for the lost shield walls from not running The Wall and gives more damage

you can get pretty good shield block coverage with reprisal, so play around and see what works best for you

[plush saffron]

taking AM is more for it doing more damage with avatar, not shield wall

shield wall reduction is a bonus

[wanton condor]

eh, I feel like getting it back down to a reasonable CD instead of 3.5m is a huge draw for m+, especially if you give up the bolster cdr

[sick sentinel]

So I understand kyrian and mf are pretty much equal in keys but what is more valued for one over the other

[plush saffron]

only danger will be from magic in m+ now and there aren't many packs of those in dungeons

[dusky mica]

NF has better dps traits

[sick sentinel]

Hmm I see

[dusky mica]

Smurfs only have Pelagos and his stupid balls

[sick sentinel]

Is NF still solid in raid?

Only issue then is I go arms I fall off hard hahah

[dusky mica]

Arms can only be venthyr anyway tbh, the rest all suck

[wooden spruce]

my other tank haha

[plush saffron]

are you his off tank?

[dusky mica]

NF fury is ok though

[fluid gust]

I think I go Bolster Ravager till I have Reprisal, then UF AM. Thanks guys

[wanton condor]

I am not particular sure UF will be that good, even with AM and Reprisal. The damage just doesn't seem to be there

[sick sentinel]

NF prot war income lol

[fallow beacon]

it has been a good week so far friends

will be even spicier with reprisal

[fluid gust]

Why? I would like to understand, kinda new.

[floral pewter]

Thunderclap damage is quite low, even after the buff

And a few extra claps is way less rage than Ravager

With AM, Avatar lines up nicely with Ravager anyway

If Thunderlord were still the play, I'd be more into it

[wanton condor]

yeah, thunderlord has good synergy, but otherwise the damage just isn't great

especially if you're running BSC

[patent osprey]

@fallow beacon sammeeee

[fallow beacon]

pog

got a 20 NW and 20 ToP lined up for tomorrow which should be pretty cruisy

such a free week

[patent osprey]

what vault key do i get for 30 dungeons done this week

[dusky mica]

If they gave us a new Lego that allowed you to choose one extra talent what would you pick?

[fluid gust]

Ah, i get it, that makes sense. Is thunderlord a choice, or more for the meme?

[patent osprey]

Anger Management @dusky mica

[wanton condor]

the basic issue is that ravager is just too far ahead

[floral pewter]

It was the go-to for M+, but Reprisal will be way better come Tuesday

[wanton condor]

running a basic sim on 5 enemies, 2min, no BL with UF/AM I get 22.5% of my damage from TC. A 10% buff to that gets me an extra 2.3% damage, and it's behind by 4-6% or so

[fluid gust]

oh, ok ok. Not that dislike Ravager, I just imagined clapping like crazy would be quite funny. Thanks for the infos, helped alot

[coral crest]

what is the recommended piece for the legendary of reprisal?

[amber siren]

It can depend on the gear you have (you don't have equal ilvl pieces from either of the two slots you'd replace) but the 'easy' answer is legs

[coral crest]

thanks

🥰

[amber siren]

UwU

[coral crest]

Should I buy it now, before it goes up in price?

[floral pewter]

Wouldn't hurt

You can even craft it right now if you want

Although to be really safe from last-minute nerfs you could wait for Tuesday

[sick sentinel]

Do we spike pretty bad in keys?

[glacial skiff]

which of these are better

obv slg, but not sure if spike/organ are better

[deft sapphire]

Sanguine depths + stygia

[wooden spruce]

im using 220 organ+heroic spike

(mostly because of ilvl)

[fluid gust]

Were would be the right place to ask something about macros?

its for my prot

[timber ledge]

The New Reprisal Leggo gonna be BiS for M+ now?

[stray gazelle]

Yep we get a free shield block and revenge and rage when we charge in so we don’t blow up with their first autos

[timber ledge]

lol

I liked ma Stompers tho

I almost feel like we would get SB on charge regardless

[sick sentinel]

any other arguements for nf or kyrian?

[plush saffron]

NF has a better mog

[brittle owl]

nf ghey

[timber ledge]

I feel tanks are often expected to be Kyrian in comps

NF are the easiest to come across with Boomies and Hunters being so meta

[wooden spruce]

NF is more of a dps boost instead of kyrian with Niya soulbind if im not wrong?

[bright oak]

Anyone gonna be switching to Necrolord?

[brave badge]

Kyrian potion is really our only bleed protection as a prot warrior. Have a hard time giving that up.

[plush saffron]

play dwarf

[brave badge]

Whats the CD on dwarf racial?

[smoky wave]

Man, getting frustrated (again) and tempted to reroll after having a tanked-3-times-before prot pala do more dps, silly healing, and more utility than me. I really hope the patch makes life easier. Fed up of the reward for really good execution as prot is equivalent to mediocre play on anything else

[heavy sail]

[hexed rune]

Yea, but then you're playing Pala

Who wants that?

[plush saffron]

2mins

[plush saffron]

prot pallies are the worst tank at the moment

[brave badge]

[brittle owl]

[merry ocean]

🤔

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

[blazing condor]

[mellow patio]

[plush saffron]

haha this is a surprise to people?

[sweet summit]

[plush gate]

well, you gotta enjoy what you play too, no? my brother is rerolling from dh to prot warrior cuz he thinks dh is too boring

realisticly though, where do you guys see prot ending up in the next patch?

[rich folio]

3rd behind Bears and DH in M+

[hexed rune]

Depends on the content I think

[mighty valley]

hopefully there's a perception bump in m+, still good in raid, people will mildly overrate necro banner for a bit

[surreal monolith]

reprisal and the damage buffs should bump them up pretty nicely in m+, they were already decent raid tanks

[sand condor]

Should I invest into going NF

[sweet summit]

if u want to sure

[sand condor]

Im currently being considered for a tanking spot, and its good in M+ for tanking and fury

And venthyr isn’t great

For tanking

[storm crater]

How bad is reprisal nerf?

[blazing condor]

reprisal will still be strong

but you wont really have that 90+% SB uptime

[storm crater]

Thought so, 4 sec is still pretty good

What's yalls sb uptime now?

I feel like mine is low, but I'm also kinda trolling cuz I'm venthyr

[glacial skiff]

Venthyr is great for raid tanking if you can push dps. None of the covenant abilities are mega impactful in a raid setting for prot warrior atm.

[sand condor]

Yeah but it’s kinda wack for m+ :p

[glacial skiff]

Some could argue kyrian for rage/burst but when the dps matter most venthyr will be your best bet. NF is mediocre-bad in st and necro may be decent next week

[storm crater]

Yeah I do mostly m+ though lul

[brittle owl]

depending on your comp and the strength of your tab key, venthyr can be great for m+ too

kinda ass to play though

like, giga ass

[glacial skiff]

Here’s a short and sweet way to decide which covenant to go.

Venthyr: raid tanking/dps/pvp
Night Fae: M+
Kyrian: M+/pvp/raid (good for all, but arguable bis for m+/pvp)
Necro: simping.

[rose quartz]

Necro: Style

**

[sweet summit]

simp

[glacial skiff]

Mastery isn’t bad for prot either but your teammates may get more out of it than you.

[brittle owl]

simp

[glacial skiff]

Also not sure how necrolord soul binds are compared to others

[solar crown]

Necro, when you want to inflate boomies ego some more

Should be the slogan

[brittle owl]

fuck boomies

pretend you're pulling when they have convoke up

then go afk after they cast convoke

[glacial skiff]

What’s wrong with you

Who hurt you

[brittle owl]

people need to be reminded of their place

this is tanking 101

[glacial skiff]

Tho I will admit, convoke is the stupidest fucking ability

[sand condor]

If i go simplord

[glacial skiff]

Shouldn’t be an I win ability in arena if not interrupted lol

[sand condor]

I will make people pay for my banner

[brittle owl]

just put it out of range

leap in africa, place banner

then go in a pack

[rose quartz]

Anyone knows if they at least fixed the animation, so ppl at least know if they stand in the banner? Before they never new the range cause they only saw the flag.

[sand condor]

Banner is stuck to you now

[glacial skiff]

Yep. Whoever designed banner to not be attached

[sand condor]

Banner is strapped to you so its an aura around you

[glacial skiff]

Same thing for tubbins/glubbins

[brittle owl]

ah

even easier

pop banner, run away

[glacial skiff]

What makes it worse is when it procs on pressing charge and not when you land

[rose quartz]

Which results in proper feedback that they stand in the range?

[glacial skiff]

So the shade is where you charged from and not where you land. So dumb

[somber compass]

What stats will you guys go for riprisal ?

[sweet summit]

ill prolly go haste vers

[wooden spruce]

i love venthyr for the damage output, did some m+ at the start tabing condemn and raid just till xy'mosh, but changed after seeing so many going kyrian for tanking. Not regret that much, the rage with spear is nice, but hate the theme of the kyrians...if they ever fix condemn on prot to be fury like, i think i will reroll venthyr

(also, dont know how good are the binds for venthyr now, if nadja or draven)

[brittle owl]

draven is pretty bananas in relevant dtps scenarios

[sand condor]

nah that means they have to stay near you and actually position well or the rogue gets the buff

draven is nice

but prot has no fun, interesting potency conduits imo

[brittle owl]

i raise you vdh potency conduits

or bdk conduits in general

[remote hawk]

I should just have bought the 235 leggo boots way earlier. They are at 83k on my server not and the 225 is at 7.8 xD

[sick sentinel]

Wait

It sticks on u?

So different ppl can gwt it?

[somber compass]

i think the peepz that are next to you while activating will get it

[lime urchin]

for non-raiders, are yall crafting reprisal legs or feet?

[merry ocean]

Leg

[remote hawk]

going for boots since i got 220 legs and only 197 boots to replace my current leggo boots

[smoky wave]

🙋 who else only has a shit replacement for their current Lego slot. Will be running 200 shoulders for the next forever.

[lime urchin]

Same, I have 203 shoulders since forever 😦

I dont have big brains enough to determine what will bring more stats in the long run, legs or feet.

[remote hawk]

Gonna pray for 220 boots in the vault so i can craft the pants lol

[sick sentinel]

Legs are more stats

Especiallt if u cant get 233 legs no?

[sweet summit]

next tier legs might not even be the slot that can be higher ilvl

[plush saffron]

should be able to catch up legs then

[median tulip]

By that point we will be talking about rank 5 legendaries, and all bets will be off on what's best

[stray gazelle]

Hopefully blizz gives up and let’s us equip 2 legos and we can go ham

[pseudo stratus]

Guys with the 9.0.5 coming next week, which covenant should i go for with prot warrior if i want to focus on mm+ push?

[sweet summit]

kyrian/nf/necro

[stray gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[pseudo stratus]

in that order? Or are they all pretty similar

[sweet summit]

generally that order

[pseudo stratus]

ok thank you

[errant oriole]

is the reprisal redesign working with revenge or no?

[sweet summit]

wdym

[atomic flicker]

What item slot are people gunna make reprisal in

[sweet summit]

im doing legs

[mellow spire]

Will reprisal be best lego come 9.0.5? Or we just have to wait and see?

[sweet summit]

for m+ yes

[mellow spire]

How about for raiding ?

[sweet summit]

the wall

[median tulip]

Legs for me; I have better boots available than my legs and no real hope of getting to SLG any time soon

[mellow spire]

Thanks for a quick response !

[atomic flicker]

With reprisal its probly gunna be possible to have shield block forever

[sweet summit]

yeah probably if you go hr/bolster, but thats not needed

you dont need true 100% uptime on sb

[atomic flicker]

Its nice if your lazy though

Just get 100% uptime then you dont have to think about it 😄

[sweet summit]

[atomic flicker]

Monkey put shield up

Monkey no think

[median tulip]

The whole point with Reprisal is to be able to pump more damage output though. Going mega defensive with it kinda misses the point.

[atomic flicker]

Monkey Push Revenge

[median tulip]

It's more about taking Anger Management to cycle Avatar faster

[atomic flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-irritated-mad-monkey-typing-gif-14805510

[dull fossil]

good morning, quick question: good upgrade?

[sweet summit]

its an upgrade

[atomic flicker]

Generally any Ilvl upgrade is good

[dull fossil]

ok, thanks. yeah I though so, but -haste

[atomic flicker]

Yeah but the stamina outweighs the lost hast

[dull fossil]

alright, thanks. was leaning towards taking it

[atomic flicker]

👍

[hearty quartz]

Guys

How can I do thorghast?

[atomic flicker]

Just run through the little portal things

[strong forum]

you go to the maw, go to torghast and then do it

the questline showed you how

[hearty quartz]

Yeh, but I Can't do even 2 stage and I Need to collect 1250:(

[atomic flicker]

Oh you mean how do you kill them all

[strong forum]

take it slow then

pack by pack

[atomic flicker]

What ilvl are you

[strong forum]

there is no rush

[hearty quartz]

The problem is boss that spam fireball and dont know How to defense that

150

Ilvl

[atomic flicker]

Spell reflect is god

[strong forum]

reflect, interrupt, stun, fear

[atomic flicker]

But if your low ilvl i would suggest going fury or arms if your solo

[dull fossil]

150 is harsh. spec storm bolt for another stun

[atomic flicker]

Or do what nomeratur says

[strong forum]

for layer 2 150 should be fine

[hearty quartz]

With prot?

Cool

[strong forum]

but generally you should work on getting more ilvl first

its the main reason why its any difficulty at all

[dull fossil]

I failed a 6 with 200 ilvl because of the Sin Bolt guy and bad powers.
Have you tried it a 2nd time to rule out completely bad luck

[atomic flicker]

Yeah that venthyr guy is a nightmare

Ruined a layer 8 twisted corridor run for me 😦

[dull fossil]

but mostly: do your campaign and you get gear very quickly

[hearty quartz]

And for More Equip? Daily quest and world quest?

[strong forum]

dungeons, renown

pvp

raid

[atomic flicker]

WQ are good if you have high renown

[strong forum]

you can get up to 197 ilvl from just grinding battlegrounds

if your renown is high enough

[dull fossil]

if you do the covenant campaign and are not behind on renown so you're blocked you should get a few 177 pieces quickly, then a 184 and 190. and if you have anima, upgrading them all to 177 is cheap.

my Rogue dinged last week and finished the campaign (with a few dungeons) at 14h /played at 60. so this is quicker than BGs I guess

[hearty quartz]

So rush covenant?

[median tulip]

Strongly advise you to prioritize your Covenant Campaign and upgrade the covenant armour to raise your ILvl

[spark patrol]

You can buy 168 crafted items from AH for a quick boost

[hearty quartz]

And with prot I Can Do it fast or swap to arms for More covenant rush?

[median tulip]

I always do Torghast as Fury TBH; the inate regen makes it faster

[strong forum]

i always do as prot, can ignore everything and just bossrush

👌

[hearty quartz]

Cool

[hearty quartz]

And... How many times Can I do It?

Cause I Want to leave this try and go farm ilvl

[strong forum]

infinite times

but you only get ash once per layer level

[hearty quartz]

Cool

And for covenant campaign prot is good?

[atomic flicker]

Prot is only good in Torg at High ilvl i think

You can do it at low ilvl but it takes forever

[jagged pier]

no its ez in low ilvl

[carmine wadi]

So prepared for reprisal costs for the item r4 was 27500g sounds fine 💯

[hearty quartz]

So let's try leveling with it

First time using it

Let's go

[fringe needle]

trying to find the slot prio to craft legendaries in pls help search function didnt yield me anything and cant see it in pins either

[sweet summit]

Chest >= Legs >= Head > Ring = Neck > Shoulders

= Boots >= Belt = Gloves > Wrist > Cloak

[fringe needle]

thanks!

[odd verge]

Would yall use a 184 Scale or a 200 Slimy Consumptive Organ?

[sweet summit]

scale

[odd verge]

Scale is just that good huh.

[sweet summit]

that and organ is kinda bad

[odd verge]

lmao

thanks 🙂

[cobalt oxide]

do you think devastator will fall out of favor for m+ because of reprisal?

[sweet summit]

no

[cobalt oxide]

:(

[sweet summit]

war machine is still lack luster

and devastator is more damage and damage reduction overall than punish

[cobalt oxide]

even without the wall giving us extra rage on shield slam?

[uneven wagon]

I kinda hate devastator i like spamming buttons

[pliant trout]

hi! https://i.imgur.com/FLB4czF.png
so if i use spell reflection and don't get direct casts i get 20% mag res? or how does it work

so it makes sense to use it on cd? for mitigation

[sweet summit]

yes u get 20% magic damage reduction as long as the buff is active

[pliant trout]

ok good

thx

[uneven wagon]

Depends where you're using it

[pliant trout]

ofc

[sweet summit]

the ability priority doesnt change with the wall nor reprisal

[pliant trout]

but buff provides the bonus

thats what i wanted to know

is there some section to get groups for m+ ? queue like for 40 mins

just horrible

or even hour

[oblique pike]

are you trying to queue into groups that are big jumps in io?

i haven't had a problem queueing as a tank into groups that arent big jumps in io

[pliant trout]

no

i have all +14 except plague and 16 not timed hoa

want to do some +15

to advance

the problem is just time/key keeping

i mean i can't perform "to get better"

wow is a game of bullshit time wasting

would play m+ as a separate game

[oblique pike]

my warr definitely doesnt get invited as quickly as any other tank, but if i'm not queueing above my io's paygrade, i feel like it's not nearly that bad

[pliant trout]

which keys do you do?

until 14 it wasnt a problem

[oblique pike]

my rogue has a much tougher time, and thats before they probably know i'm playing sin rogue

my warrior's currently 1469

ive actually not had much trouble getting into 17s with mostly +15s on my sheet

and a trickle of 16s

[pliant trout]

you are from eu?

[oblique pike]

NA

doubt that makes a difference though

[pliant trout]

maybe thats the difference

idk

i think it does

but w/e

thanks for the info!

[cobalt oxide]

just do your own key if you can't get into groups

and you can be as picky as you want with the people you invite

[pliant trout]

yea but it's a time waste on the other hand

i mean if you get the wrong keys

you will just do them for lulz

to get another one

[cobalt oxide]

you have no 15's timed, every key is io for you

[oblique pike]

40 minutes spent not playing the game waiting in queue vs 40 minutes spent practicing a route, actually playing the game 🤷‍♂️

[cobalt oxide]

and once you get to the point where you're unlikely to get a key that's io, you'll have enough io to be able to join groups

[oblique pike]

theres always stuff to learn, even while doing lower keys

[pliant trout]

the most important stuff i learned while tanking in bfa is what it's upto group composition

if you get "bad" players

no matter how good your perform you will fail

[oblique pike]

the most important stuff is rarely what you can carry over from bfa

thats super basic

most important stuff is knowing the dungeon

[pliant trout]

ofc

i don't argue with that

[oblique pike]

muscle memory of routes, what you can/cannot spell reflect

[pliant trout]

what you need to know what to do

and even beyond

[oblique pike]

that's stuff you're not getting from bfa

[cobalt oxide]

^ this
if there's a dungeon I'm struggling with (soa for me atm) I'll go into a 14 soa and practice a new route or sth, try to learn what I can improve on for when I'm actually pushing it

[oblique pike]

i do dungeons with low io players all the time doing 14s and 15s when filling out my vault

you can VERY much time 15s with the average bad +15 player

if you as the tank carry their hand enough

[cobalt oxide]

yup

esp if you're sth like a prot paladin so you can just outdps all of them :P

[pliant trout]

if you are geared good enough ofc

wow is not just about skill

[oblique pike]

its not even the gear

[cobalt oxide]

it's not gear my dude

[pliant trout]

it's also important

if you are too low

[oblique pike]

not in 14s or 15s

[pliant trout]

you just can't hold the damage

i am not talking about 14-15

they are not hard

[cobalt oxide]

you carry by interrupting the right mobs, doing a route with good pride timings, knowing when to use your cd's etc etc

[pliant trout]

it's kind a obvious

in most dungeons i controll the creeps the most

[oblique pike]

this is what i'm disagreeing with

[cobalt oxide]

isn't that what the subject was

[oblique pike]

its not aobut how hard it is

[pliant trout]

its not aobut how hard it is
sometime a very minor and stupid mistake can cost you the run idk

it's not that "they played bad" just some shit happened idk

[cobalt oxide]

shit happens

but often times you could've done sth better

take that as an opportunity to learn

maybe sb ninja pulled and fucked up ur pride timing, but if you think quickly about how to survive the pull and adapt the route, you can save the run and that's super satisfying

[pliant trout]

yes it may happen like in 25% of cases

my initial "complain" is what i just can get an oppurtinity)

to do a run "thats it"

[cobalt oxide]

your job as a tank is to get that number as close to 100% as possible

[oblique pike]

if you dont mind, can you link your r.io?

[pliant trout]

anyway thanks for chatting!

https://raider.io/characters/eu/outland/Hardedge

[oblique pike]

interesting talent choice, but your io should be enough to get into 15s, idk what to tell you

[cobalt oxide]

ah I see your issue

you're a belf

[pliant trout]

)))

[bold wave]

Good morning my fellow sentinels!

[pliant trout]

nice issue!

[oblique pike]

233 iqd and 220 scale

[cobalt oxide]

dude I would kill for a 220 scale

[fringe needle]

when you pug m+ you just have to remember that there's a large chance your group will have a donkey and one donkey can fuck a lot of things up for the rest, unless they really carry hard

[cobalt oxide]

all I've got is a 194

[oblique pike]

i have 6 tanks, i've seen 1 during M+0 first week, and the only other scale i've seen was one trade to me by a holy pally

[fringe needle]

but at the same time, most times something goes wrong you can prob think of something you could have done better as well as whoever did the actual fuckup

[oblique pike]

300+ dungeons done, 6 vaults a week, zero scales 😢

[cobalt oxide]

scales are rarer than prot warriors smh

[oblique pike]

on the other hand, i have 226 IQD on 4 tanks

[pliant trout]

i am not whining what "we failed a run"

i whine what i can't get in "for no real reason"

because i know i can perform good enough

i tanked a lot in bfa

only m+

without m+ i would unistall this dumpster

[cobalt oxide]

do your own key

[fringe needle]

its bcoz pugs are donkeys, they see a prot war and think "oh its not a top tier tank spec"

[oblique pike]

i mean i think what i would say is, its not NO real reason. prot warr have the worst community perception and its not for no reason

[pliant trout]

horrible game

makes you waste so much lifetime

[fringe needle]

when 99% of the time: better player = better, no matter what class

[oblique pike]

but theres a somewhat reasonable solution which is to do your own key instead of sitting there for 40 minutes in queue

[pliant trout]

its bcoz pugs are donkeys, they see a prot war and think "oh its not a top tier tank spec"

yes thats more the truth

[cobalt oxide]

you have the choice of complaining about having 40 minute queues or just running your own key and have a group in 10 minutes, AND you're the one picking the players

[fringe needle]

im surprised tho that anyone struggles finding groups as tank, maybe u cant skip too many key lvls, but surely if u did 12 u can get into 13 easily

[fierce phoenix]

Overcoming the current “meta” perceptions will always be a huge challenge, even if you play your class incredibly well. Push your own keys, find a group to play with - those are the best ways to counter it

[jolly granite]

Why not getting a group? For me that was a game changer.

[oblique pike]

yea, he's done pretty much all +14s except 1, and he says he cant get into +15s

[pliant trout]

Why not getting a group? For me that was a game changer.

i asked for that

is here some lobby?

i have my own guild

can invite is m+ centric

[fierce phoenix]

To be fair a lot of people pushing will want to see some experience at the key level before they invite

[cobalt oxide]

a lobby of only warrior players ain't gonna help u in m+ 😂

[pliant trout]

but it's server bound =S

[fringe needle]

pugging in general is the worst experience youll get in wow tho. try adding friends of good players you meet / join m+ communitys or maybe a guild

[oblique pike]

if you do a 14 and find a good healer, add them on btag

[pliant trout]

would be awesome!

warrior healer <333

btw

at the start

did some runs w/o heals)))

m

without +

[oblique pike]

i havent had a bad experience with pugs, im a pure pug tank player

[pliant trout]

pugs are just "random"

[fringe needle]

easily half my runs there's a donkey in the group

[cobalt oxide]

^ this
finding friends to play with, even if they're not that good, is so much more fun than pugging

[pliant trout]

sometimes you get awesome runs/groups

[oblique pike]

its actually not bad, an occasional elitist, an occassional braindead, but overall its not bad as long as your expections aren't unrealistic

[pliant trout]

sometimes bad

thats it

i also always did pugs

[harsh sandal]

i am thinking of going the pug tank route, pug dps is so much time even running your own keys. lol

[pliant trout]

To be fair a lot of people pushing will want to see some experience at the key level before they invite

thats bullshit until certain thresholds

it just scales in dmg/hp

[fringe needle]

i mean i never invite ppl with too low io score for the current key, they just play bad anyway xD

[pliant trout]

at some point you just need to apply certain tactics etc

+15 is not the case

or only if you are undergeared

ilvls solve all problems literraly

with 260 ilvl

you would faceroll +20

[oblique pike]

as a pure pug player

[pliant trout]

i mean if you know the tactics for +10

[cobalt oxide]

you can get away with a lot of stuff in a 13 that you can't in a 15, it's not "just" scaling dmg/hp

[fringe needle]

yeah but if u had that ilvl +20 would not be considered "high" and ppl will want to play 30's

[pliant trout]

it's just because of that)

compared to your ilvl

on higher keys you are always "undergeared"

and need find ways to compensate that

thats it

[fringe needle]

i'm not saying its impossible. im just saying that pugging is very random, and the chance of getting bad players is much higher than if u are in say a mythic guild or even an m+ guild, where you get to know the good players and can distinguish the suckers

[cobalt oxide]

I mean you're 216, I was doing 15's easily on my paladin at 214 and that's a lot squishier than a warrior, gear is not your issue

[pliant trout]

i am not talking about myself

just in general

[oblique pike]

i was doing 15s before i hit 210 on most of my tanks, and that was like weeks ago when DPS was doing a lot less damage

[pliant trout]

stats are important

you can't tank a +10 with 125 ilvl

or even 150 i think

there will be too many 1 shoting mechanics

i mean some super nerd maybe can

but even so i doubt

[fringe needle]

100%! It feels to me there's a breakpoint where the +11/12/13 healers are filtered out and they just cant keep the group alive at higher lvls. prob the dmg starts overtaking HP lvls or sth

[oblique pike]

i think pride actually does a pretty good job filtering out bad healers to the lower 10s

because it ends up being a literal wall they can't surpass without like 3 DK dps dropping back to back AMZ or somethign

[fringe needle]

but dps is also underappreciated imo. its a world of a difference to have 3 blasters

[pliant trout]

dds are very important

[fringe needle]

i've had ppl declare keys as RIP and i told them keep gong you've never been in a group with good dps xD

[cobalt oxide]

it's been done tho
dorki tanked a 14 on his pally at 140 or sth
gear is not the be-all end-all

[pliant trout]

on higher keys if they don't play well you will just get rekt

[oblique pike]

in a pug i would much rather have 3 dps that do mediocre dmg but know details of mechanics rather than 3 dps who dont do anything except pump

[pliant trout]

dorki tanked a 14 on his pally at 140 or sth
in a pug?

[fringe needle]

sure, im not saying mechanics arent important

but more dps, shorter fights, less mechanics etc etc

[pliant trout]

well i am not saying "it's impossible" but very hard

[fringe needle]

its why old mythic raids become braindead easy the tier after, coz generally its the DPS that scales up strongly

[oblique pike]

i had a windwalker in a +17 go through an entire fortified NW without using RoP once

was by far top dps though, without even using a weapon

still hated his guts

[fringe needle]

yeah but thats a problem of not having voice

[cobalt oxide]

^

[fringe needle]

you would call it in voice usually so u can coordinate kiting

macro spam can also work tho

[cobalt oxide]

you can complain about your healer never using ironbark but they generally don't know when you're in danger if you don't tell them

[hearty quartz]

Guys, Im trying to use prot but I only using thunder clap and shield slam and another one when it procs

Should I been using more things?

[oblique pike]

i dont do keys high enough that i care enough to comm that much over listening to music, audiobook, or video

[hearty quartz]

Cause in the guide they tell me to take some talents

[cobalt oxide]

that's devastator for ya mate

[hearty quartz]

And in the rotation there are things that I don't have cause the talents

[pliant trout]

i dont do keys high enough that i care enough to comm that much over listening to music, audiobook, or video

same UuU

[cobalt oxide]

if you're not using ravager, you're not doing aoe damage

[oblique pike]

but ravager is dogshit damage

[fringe needle]

thats the general mentality. i'm weirded out, i'd literally go voice 100% of the time, but ppl dont wanna come. i'd say the voice coordination can make the same group 2-3 keylvls stronger

[cobalt oxide]

but everything else is even more dogshit damage

[oblique pike]

i will gladly go in comms, but only if all 5 people are in it and someone doesnt have dogshit open mic and blasting useless noise

my nf ability disagrees

[cobalt oxide]

true I like nf

did you know it can chain interrupt frostbolt volley lol

[broken cedar]

Tempted to switch from nf to kyrian 🤦‍♂️

[oblique pike]

i mean it chain knockdowns

[cobalt oxide]

yeah and the timing is such that the frostbolt volley can't go off, it's beautiful

[oblique pike]

it chain displaces with no DR, so its broken for some things

[cobalt oxide]

if you dps as well, night fae is considerably better than kyrian

[hearty quartz]

But icy veins told me to take the middle one, the one that avatar makes thunder clap hit more

[oblique pike]

yea thats wrong

[cobalt oxide]

thunder clap does

900 dmg

soft capped at 5

no amount of buffing that garbage is gonna make it good

[open monolith]

ew you guys use comms for pugs?

🤮

[hearty quartz]

So better take ravager?

Cool!

[open monolith]

the last thing I want is to hear the voice of literally anyone I don't know ever

[oblique pike]

ravager is just better for rage gen

[cobalt oxide]

ravager is an easy way to be able to hold aggro on pull

you have it up for every pack p much

[oblique pike]

true, i mean its better than revenge

with its seemingly 30 degrees of 1yard range

[cobalt oxide]

that's not saying much 😂

[oblique pike]

wait does icyveins say to take both AM and UF?

and i assume the demo shout lego?

[fringe needle]

sounds like youve been traumatized by something xD

[open monolith]

No. Comms are just completely unnecessary

for pugging m+*

[ionic fern]

Where does IV say that?

[cobalt oxide]

maybe they were looking at the prepatch guide 😂

[open monolith]

narrator: it doesn't

[oblique pike]

i think because it says to default to AM and that UF has synergy

even though it says its not worth taking in bold

[ionic fern]

[oblique pike]

but thats at the end, a whole 5 lines down. idk who reads that far down

[open monolith]

honestly man

just put a big red X over UF

instead of a ?

and replace your entire paragraph talking about it's undeniable synergy with:

"This talent is bad. Don't take it. Stop coming to discord to ask about it. Fuck you"

[cobalt oxide]

it's in bold too tho

[pliant trout]

dude is in "deep consideration" and probably will decline me https://i.imgur.com/N7S00L5.png

UuU

[fringe needle]

sure. that isnt what i said tho. i said comms make the same group better. coz voice allows quick communication to deal with unexpected things / call out brainfarts

chat can never communicate info as fast as voice

even macros

[cobalt oxide]

I assume UF will still be shit even with the 9.0.5 thunder clap buffs?

[open monolith]

I mean, I don't agree 🙂

If everyone in the group is just like... good

[fringe needle]

sure, what would be faster

[open monolith]

then you don't need it

[fringe needle]

me talking wiht you in voice or here via chat

[pliant trout]

sock is right

[fringe needle]

prob we could spit more info out faster via talking

[open monolith]

I wouldn't take an 1162 tank to my 15 key either

don't blame the guy

[fringe needle]

and once u add 3 more ppl into it it becomes more complex

[oblique pike]

why would i want to talk faster

[pliant trout]

the my best expiriences are just where people don't talk and execute

thats it

i mean thats the best runs

[fringe needle]

im not saying be in voice and talk 24/7, thats distracting ppl

[oblique pike]

my best experiecnes are when people type between globals as to whos doing what mechanic, those are the best runs

[open monolith]

and I definitely wouldn't take an 1162 tank who has never completed a 15 to my 15 key 😮

[fringe needle]

but do you see a non-voice guild doing world firsts?

[oblique pike]

if a melee just says "me" that my favorite melee

[fringe needle]

lmao

[open monolith]

bro we aren't talking about raiding lol

[oblique pike]

cuz i know that melee kickin

[open monolith]

we're talking about m+ dungeon pugging

[fringe needle]

im talking high perfornace task whatever

[open monolith]

comms with pugs is gross.

[cobalt oxide]

keep in mind there's a lot of people applying to 15's for their weeklies, people with 1.3k, 1.4k+, so you'd never be picked above them
which wouldn't be an issue if you ran your own key

[fringe needle]

good comms is highly valuable

like idk why its gross

u got some fear of strangers or sth

its usually interesting meeting new ppl

[pliant trout]

and I definitely wouldn't take an 1162 tank who has never completed a 15 to my 15 key

chicken/egg problem

[open monolith]

no, because your average WoW player is fucking insufferable and I'd rather not subject myself to their bullshit if I don't have to

[cobalt oxide]

well the chicken can do his own 15 then

[fringe needle]

not rly, with that rio u can up your io by joining 12's and 13's

[cobalt oxide]

and prove to the pug leader that they can do it

[oblique pike]

i comm all the time in pugs, if i dont tell them in 6 different broken messages bewteen globals "after" "this" "pack" "invis" "skip" how will i let the braindead dps know not to pull the next pack

[open monolith]

@pliant trout that's not a chicken / egg problem. Push your own key. If you can't push your own key to 15, why would I invite you to my group?

[cobalt oxide]

^

[oblique pike]

extra benefit, if you push your own key, you can do a 16 too

[pliant trout]

people are up to do whatever they want

[open monolith]

when you push your own key, YOU get to be the guy standing in judgment before all the people applying to your group. YOU can be the elitist only inviting 1400 IO people.

Okay, well if you aren't going to push your own key, don't complain about not getting invited to 15s with relatively low IO

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cobalt oxide]

and then they see a low io prot warrior and leave 😂

[fringe needle]

ive had skips fail coz 1 person forgot the pot. once even a druid who couldve cat invised. we even wrote it in chat before and before we started the dung. its just a brainfart and happens, with voice he wouldnt have missed this info

[open monolith]

How to avoid 1 person forgetting the pot:

/p use pot now

[fringe needle]

u dumb fuck

read

wtf

[open monolith]

and at the beginning of the dungeon: /p everyone have invis pot?

[fringe needle]

i said ew did write

[oblique pike]

i do this, people still fail

[fringe needle]

u only read your own msgs huh

[open monolith]

yeah but you type stupid things so I tend to not read your full sentences 🙂

also you're really unnecessarily hostile bro

calm it down

[fringe needle]

sorry u must have short attention span

[oblique pike]

dont call him short thats clearly a long sock

my dick wouldnt make it past the ankle

[cobalt oxide]

doesn't like comms but can't read full sentences 😂

[fringe needle]

kek

[open monolith]

I'm so long some people refer to me as a stocking

[fringe needle]

Stonks

look point is

[open monolith]

nono there's a difference between being unable to read full sentences, and choosing not to 🙂

[fringe needle]

u disagree

[open monolith]

Yes, now apologize for saying mean things to me

before I cry

[fringe needle]

but i dont see mythic dungeon invitation tournaments being won by teams who dont use voice

[cobalt oxide]

if you choose not to read a sentence, don't reply to it, you'll just make a fool out of yourself

[oblique pike]

same, i choose not to play bolstering and play AM, purely so i can avatar every ancient aftershock

[open monolith]

right... we're just talking about m+ pugs lol

I obviously use comms with my push group

but when I pug? fuuuuuuuuuck that

[oblique pike]

do you know your push group?

name every meal they've ever eaten

[open monolith]

it's my guild, so yeah :p

[cobalt oxide]

I don't think anyone was mentioning pug voice tho

[oblique pike]

also their ssn and all bank account info

[open monolith]

the entire conversation centered around "getting in comms" with pugs o.o

[cobalt oxide]

idk one of my guys goes on about steak seemingly every day

[fringe needle]

i mean u dislike strangers / pugs for some reason. but thats different from saying comms wouldnt make basically any group perform a little better together

[open monolith]

yeah... no shit lol

but comms with pugs is gross 🙂

[oblique pike]

can you truly know someone if you dont know every meal they've eaten (and their financial info)

and if you dont know that about them, do you really know them better than any pug?

[cobalt oxide]

bro I don't even know my own financial info

[oblique pike]

🤔

then you dont know yourself

[fringe needle]

haha

i know my financial info, therefore i am

[open monolith]

I make my push group provide me with their SSN, credit cards, name of their first borns, and a list of their fears before I play with them

[cobalt oxide]

HAHAHAHA

[open monolith]

That's just.. like common group decency

[cobalt oxide]

the descartes of our age 👌

[oblique pike]

why do you need name of their first borns

ask them for their mother's maiden name

first born's name is never the secret question answer

[open monolith]

Sorry, I thought that was implied that I also get that.

[oblique pike]

first pet's name maybe not first born's

[cobalt oxide]

a list of my fears includes warrior tanks

[oblique pike]

mine is priest healers

in +14s

[signal plover]

cowards

[cobalt oxide]

holy is p good rn tho ngl

[fringe needle]

I've only seen this raw ~~strength ~~ weakness once before, and it didnt scare me then, but it does now!

[open monolith]

anytime someone in my group asks for a bio break I demand they post a picture of their BM to discord so I can evaluate their excrement with the Bristol Stool Chart.

[cobalt oxide]

had a disc friend try out holy yesterday, dude was pumping hard

[open monolith]

Can't play with anyone above a Type 4

[oblique pike]

type 4 diabetes?

[fringe needle]

i thought disc was the meta, did they change holy or did someone figure out how to play holy properly? xD

[open monolith]

...Type 4... on the Bristol Stool Chart

come on man... do you not know about the poop chart?

so uncultured.

[cobalt oxide]

disc is still better but waaayyy harder to play than holy

[oblique pike]

what did you call my butter?

[cobalt oxide]

holy you just kinda mash buttons, disc you have to think about cd timings and shit

[open monolith]

Disc is the meta for like.. MDI, mostly because it can be night elf and the Night Fae covenant ability gives CDR to fire mage which is nutty

[cobalt oxide]

holy can do the same

[open monolith]

but like for non-MDI dungeons, I feel like holy pally / resto druid / disc are all pretty equal in representation

[cobalt oxide]

that's not why it's better

2 cookies to the first person who can tell me why tanks love disc priests over holy

[open monolith]

holy priest is fine. i'd probably prefer a holy priest over a disc priest for a random pugger i didn't know

umm, because holy priests are more simple and pump HPS without thinking about it very hard

[fringe needle]

true, thats a big point many miss who play fotm, if you dont play it better it aint better ;p

[open monolith]

whereas disc requires some amount of thought and skill

[cobalt oxide]

that's not my question

[fringe needle]

i dont have a priest, they prob buff sth or idk

[cobalt oxide]

if I'm tanking with a friend I know is good
there is a reason I would always want them to be disc rather than holy

[open monolith]

because holy doesn't do any dps?

[cobalt oxide]

pain suppression

holy doesn't have a tank external

ergo fuck holy

[open monolith]

oh, sure, I guess if you're a beta male who needs externals

[fringe needle]

kek

[open monolith]

(jk I main holy pally and use blessing of sac all the time)

[cobalt oxide]

I main paladin man I need externals

[open monolith]

yes

yes you do

fuck I hate healing paladins

they are either A) extremely tanky to the point that I don't understand how or B) literally tissue paper

there is no in between

[cobalt oxide]

or C) good at kiting when they're tissue paper

[fringe needle]

btw as arms intervene + parry works like an external right? as u parry all hits transfered?

[cobalt oxide]

yup

also challenging shout

but that's gonna fuck you up in most cases 😂

[fringe needle]

yeah challenging shout is nice, but u need meld to get away after xD

[cobalt oxide]

I used to do that with a tank bud who's not the best at staying alive, I'd just leap away and hope they kill the mobs before they get to me 😂

this was early in the expansion so I forgot about intervene okay don't kill me

[fringe needle]

run forest...

what would u say is prot wars biggest problem atm? or why they arent considered a top tier tank

[cobalt oxide]

0 dmg

[fringe needle]

are the 10% of the patch gonna cut it? xD

[cobalt oxide]

not even close

I can barely hold aggro against a mage combusting

on my pally I can do literally double the dps of my warrior

[fringe needle]

thank god they buff extra 10% on tclap then, we're saved :^)

[cobalt oxide]

the 10% might mean you can hold aggro but it's still not gonna be top tier

shield block uptime is another big issue that reprisal should solve

9.0.5 should put warrior in a decent place I think but still probably the worst tank overall

much closer tho than now

[fringe needle]

i mostly dps atm, but starting to want some variety, sadly im venthyr which isnt that great for m+ tanks

i just love executing too much, it's my downfall to go kyrian kek

[cobalt oxide]

night fae fury sims 30 dps lower for me than venthyr, ended up switching because I like tanking m+ too much

cuz venthyr prot literally doesn't have a covenant ability

[fringe needle]

30dps basically equal

[cobalt oxide]

yup

and imo night fae is wayy more fun

execute feels a lot more fun than condemn too

I've gotten jaded to it

[fringe needle]

i mostly play arms, my 2nd weakness is that i love wielding one big 2hander too much vs dualwielding xD

[cobalt oxide]

and having another cooldown to use I find really fun

yeahh for arms night fae isn't as good relative to venthyr for obvious reasons

[brittle owl]

A) just knows how to stand in cons and roll cd's 😀

[cobalt oxide]

you'd also not run signet so soul ash might be an issue

[open monolith]

Reprisal is going to help a lot with our aggro issues in m+ (well, if you HAVE aggro issues anyway)

starting every fight with a ton of free rage, free mitigation, and a free revenge

and then having all that rage left over to pump more revenge

Aggro issues shouldn't exist if using Reprisal

[cobalt oxide]

• best served cold

[open monolith]

• show of force

which you should be using anyway

[cobalt oxide]

depends on your soulbind choices

[open monolith]

Charge/intervene -> Revenge -> buffed Tclap.

[cobalt oxide]

I don't think night fae runs 2 potency

[open monolith]

right, if you're pelagos

[cobalt oxide]

I mean part of my aggro issues is probably my 200 ilvl 1H but hey

hopefully valor will help with that

[fringe needle]

imagine getting a nice weapon, i'm living in 203 land for so long now xD

[sterile hearth]

I want to play both prot and arms, is kyrian the best overlapping covenant? I would love to play necro prot but it feels like its gonna be terrible for arms (noob question)

[quick pecan]

I’m starting my Necrolord journey today.

[cobalt oxide]

night fae is better for arms (not sure by how much tho) and still very good for prot

[fringe needle]

i think yes to kyrian, but it rly depends on your goals. if u wanna push high keys / raid mythic u will want to minmax more than if u dont plan to do these things

[slow phoenix]

Did anyone compile a list of what classes benefit the most from necro banner?

[cobalt oxide]

sidenote: burrs is fucking broken

[fringe needle]

actually lies, i think nightfae

[quick pecan]

I think Necrolord will “work” for Fury. I don’t do insane content anyways.

[cobalt oxide]

boomie/uhdk
should be obvious, the classes that like mastery the most

[fringe needle]

necrolord has beast transmog

[cobalt oxide]

true

[fringe needle]

i hate those venthyr blades, they move so weirdly

[slow phoenix]

its not that simple sir

[open monolith]

I 100% guarantee you that in the time it takes you to upgrade that weapon from 200 to 220, you will get a better one from the vault, and then be pissed off you wasted all that time and valor on upgrading it.

[fringe needle]

need to lvl my dk and become a necro lord

[open monolith]

because the valor point system is poorly designed over priced, and I'm salty af about it

[cobalt oxide]

no I won't, because I main fury in raid so that's what I've got my vault loot spec set to 😂

[fringe needle]

i think its on purpose

[lavish raptor]

Valor should be used for off spec crap IMO

[cobalt oxide]

or filling slots

which is what it's meant to do imo

I've still got 207 feet

[open monolith]

can't even upgrade loot we already have. scree.

[fringe needle]

they increased drops from raids, m+, add a weak ilvl drop to failed keys & added valor. valor is only meant to prevent u from having some slots as total garbage due to bad luck

[cobalt oxide]

yeah... would love to upgrade my socketed bis belt that's 210...

[lavish raptor]

The fact that you can't pool Valor before upgrading is a load of shit

[open monolith]

the 1500 limit is super dumb, yeah

[fringe needle]

its good tho, otherwise ppl would buy everything at day 1 and etc its the usual problem with game design

[open monolith]

like, great I'm capped but haven't received a single piece of loot that I would actually want to upgrade \o/

[cobalt oxide]

yeah but you can buy heavy callous hide from the valor vendor :D

[open monolith]

It's fine. Monster Hunter Rise comes out in a few weeks and I can just finally play something else 😄

[fringe needle]

oh no, i havent thought about that XD

[cobalt oxide]

how am I supposed to upgrade my scale to 220 when I'd have to do like 16 dos keys to have it drop in the first place

[open monolith]

just wait. We'll get like 50 valor per dungeon

it's going to be a horrific grind

[fringe needle]

or 35

35 anima

kek

[cobalt oxide]

I've not seen anyone say how much we're actually getting per dungeon

[open monolith]

because nobody knows

[cobalt oxide]

which is a huge fucking factor obv

[open monolith]

if we get 250 per dungeon, cool.

50? No sir, I'm out.

[cobalt oxide]

if we get 50 or 250 makes the system completely different

lol we picked the same numbers wtf

[open monolith]

i typed them first

I win

you're a copy cat

[cobalt oxide]

I'm on mobile fk u

[fringe needle]

i mean as i said, i think valor is meant to be accumulated slowly and serve as bad luck protection on some slots

but also, they make the cap 5k? so no way it'd be 50 per dung

[open monolith]

dammit I Was just asking that

if it is meant to be accumulated slowly, why a 5k starting weekly cap?

[cobalt oxide]

yeah true

it's gotta be a couple hundred then at least right?

[fringe needle]

i think its theyre weird way of balancing out that the system didnt exist at launch

ie compared to pvp points

i mean maybe we'll get a decent amount

im just saying it wont be the main way of progressing gear

[open monolith]

I'm calling it now: it will be 75 per dungeon. 50 per calling. and reddit/official forums are going to be COLLECTIVELY FUCKING SHITTING THEMSELVES, and it will be hotfixed to be significantly higher within 48 hours

[cobalt oxide]

I wonder if it'll turn out that the most efficient way of farming valor will be in +7's, that would be hilarious

[open monolith]

mark my words

I am sock, the prophet

[light quartz]

I think the 5k cap is so you can farm like crazy week 1 and upgrade as much as possible. But what I don't think they understand is that loot doesn't drop that fast considering you have to farm every piece you want to upgrade again.

[fringe needle]

its just like a crutch for when u didnt get upgrades

[cobalt oxide]

nor is it meant to be, considering the 220 cap

[fringe needle]

i wont farm shit in week 1, u'll just be capped without an item to use the points on XD

[cobalt oxide]

which is bullshit, might I add

[fringe needle]

i find it so fucked up that dungs cap at 210

[cobalt oxide]

I'll farm the shit out of dos to try and get a 210 upgradable scale

[fringe needle]

at least valor brings that up a little

[cobalt oxide]

wait next week is tyrannical nvm

[fringe needle]

f

either way it feels like the patch generally makes the game a bit better

so thats kinda good

[light quartz]

idk, i think the best that will come from 9.0.5 launch is that we get closer to get 9.1 on ptr and hopefully some more prot warrior buffs for m+

[cobalt oxide]

reprisal + 10% is enough to make prot fairly competitive

it's not gonna dethrone anyone but it'll be a lot easier and more fun to do your weeklies and the like

[fringe needle]

DH tank dmg also sliiightly tuned down, so it goes a little in both directions

[cobalt oxide]

ah yes, having damage reduction on their other defensive, big nerf

just what they needed

[fringe needle]

see druid tanks, i rarely have one, are they weak for aggro? i had one yday who couldnt hold vs a ret and firemage for shit

[cobalt oxide]

they're weak if played badly

and ridiculously good if played well

[light quartz]

on another topic is the solo island queue coming in 9.0.5 or is that 9.1 stuff?

[cobalt oxide]

tbf fire and ret are very bursty, hard to hold aggro against that outside of incarn/convoke

[fringe needle]

islands make me think of BFA, whats that in SL lmao

[open monolith]

Ret is so good.

for m+ anyway

For the NA folks: Always invite Ret paladins from Ragnaros / Azralon

idk what it is about ret, but that seems to be the only class that ragnaros / Azralon folks can actually play well, and they play it REAL well.

[sudden kayak]

is there a way to leave mdt open for a beginner tank

i have it open but its to big on my screet

screen

[cobalt oxide]

just open it between pulls so you can see where you're going next

and have it keybound

[sudden kayak]

also where are the prideful npcs im at raider io weekly route is it where it says 1 2 3 in yellow small circles

[cobalt oxide]

those are notes

if you hover over them they'll show little tips

[sudden kayak]

kk

how do we know where the prideful npcs are going to be

[cobalt oxide]

when you import it into mdt you'll see the % on the side and it'll highlight pulls that spawn pride

[sudden kayak]

oh ok

oh yea i see what your saying

it shows a red on a bar of next pull

[cobalt oxide]

yes

[sudden kayak]

ok i was use to bfa obelisk ok ty for helping me

[graceful cobalt]

hi guys whate are our best in slot trinkets? (defensivly)

[sweet summit]

slh/scale/al'ar

[subtle tulip]

Deciding on covenant, worthwhile to give necro a shot given the changes?

[sweet summit]

necro is finally a good option now, so sure

[subtle tulip]

Was thinking that, but just unsure how it might compare with fury/arms. But guess one way of finding out then.

[cobalt oxide]

if you wanna find out for dps, you can sim it once simcraft updates to 9.0.5

[sweet summit]

its the worst one for personal dps, im pretty sure fury/arms still want to stay venthyr

you can sim it now, even

[cobalt oxide]

raidbots hasn't updated so you'd have to do a manual sim

fury can go nf too, almost no difference compared to venthyr'

[sweet summit]

venthyr is a lot better for raid prog

hands down

[cobalt oxide]

because of execute value?

[sweet summit]

night fae has better execute phase damage

[cobalt oxide]

yeah that's why I'm confused

[sweet summit]

its more because of the great defensve value it brings

dauntless duelist and condemn absorb

[cobalt oxide]

pf

healer problem

[sweet summit]

[cobalt oxide]

if they can heal the clothies they can heal me

the defensive bonus is nice for sure but personally I like being able to play prot with a covenant ability over a bit of a defensive bonus

[sweet summit]

oh thats fine

he was just asking about fury/arms

so i answered

[cobalt oxide]

fair

[signal plover]

How dare u answer a question

Madness

[cobalt oxide]

actually yeah I agree how dare you

[sweet summit]

😔

[austere zephyr]

Hello. New to warrior, please bear with me. How viable will Necrolord Prot be in 9.0.5?

[sweet summit]

very

[austere zephyr]

thank you!

[cobalt oxide]

if you like being a simp spec

:P

[austere zephyr]

simp spec?

[cobalt oxide]

buffing others

come, mr. fire mage, so that I may grant you my blessing

[austere zephyr]

What else would you recommend? NF? Kyrian?

[cunning parcel]

Am I correct in thinking that in order for a range class to benefit I have to be next to them when I pop the banner?

[austere zephyr]

Everyone is talking about venthyr for 9.0.5 but is that good for prot?

[cobalt oxide]

nobody is talking about venthyr prot

[austere zephyr]

If I understand it works with two closest allies

[cobalt oxide]

it's literally useless

[austere zephyr]

what about NF and KY

[cobalt oxide]

both good

dunno how necro will compare

[cunning parcel]

sod that. I'm not messing about with trying to do that while tanking

[cobalt oxide]

personally I'm night fae because it's very good for fury and still good for prot

since fury is my main spec so I prioritize that

[austere zephyr]

My understanding is that it is very powerful with melees / melee cleave

[cobalt oxide]

you can look at the first pinned message, might help you with your choice

[cunning parcel]

We have a arms warrior who's already Necro. If it's not going to impact me greatly then I'm not going to bother switching from venthyr

[broken cedar]

might take the jump and switch to necro so i can start catching up on renown now, i only really do M+ as prot, even in pugs i think the kit will be ok

[cobalt oxide]

renown catchup is p quick, I got to from 1 to 30 in 2-3 days

[broken cedar]

whats best way, just spam M+ and the campaign?

[cobalt oxide]

I did lfr and m0 for the biggest chunk at low renown

after that campaign and m+

[manic scaffold]

how are prot warrs preforming rn

im thinking of just maining tank cause people dont seem to understand how to tank

[cobalt oxide]

that's how all tanks are made

[mental ermine]

Warrior Prote necrolord new meta?

[sweet summit]

probably not new meta

but we're looking pretty strong with the new reprisal change for m+

and banner change in raid