#protection
open monolith
jagged pier
wow i wish i had a mythic+ group now im trying to pug 18s i can not get into a single one they all want a dh :sad:
floral nymph
hi there, i just started to play prot but find myself having some issues with rage. Is there any tip on how to get more rage on lower enemy numbers?
strong forum
dont use IP as much, use SS, TC, Demo and Avatar on CD
strong forum
you shouldnt have any rage issues if you actually use your buttons on CD or youre undergeard AF
also ravager
jagged pier
i think hes talking to zyther @outer solstice u need to use IP on innerva
that magic dot chunks
jagged pier
dont panic
outer solstice
we can't get the adds, can we?
strong forum
tanks can
jagged pier
u can
but i would use SR to reduce damage
cause if u get the add your on the boss anyway
so like not a big issue
strong forum
i always use SR to immune add
outer solstice
anything I can do to help the raid on the explodey debuff?
strong forum
you play AM anyway so you have a ton of SWs, if youre losing HP too fast complain to your healers
not rly Ownz
outer solstice
besides going far out...
jagged pier
anything I can do to help the raid on the explodey debuff?
u run away if they are out of the circle it doesnt matter
strong forum
all you can do is move boss every now and again, kick adds and dont take too many dots
everything else is on the raid
jagged pier
yer
strong forum
ye
outer solstice
ok that should help the healers to DPS more
strong forum
but 2 is omgea fine tbh
jagged pier
after about 65% to like 20% u can swap on 1 stack
outer solstice
I imagine
completely different thing, have you noticed sire being taunt immune lately?
jagged pier
nope
strong forum
if you taunt within 18sec of each other, boss will be immune after the 3rd taunt or so
valid zodiac
Sorry for barging in but what is the consensus now on the Booming Voice/BSC regarding Reprisal? Are we staying with BV as the most optimal choice?
strong forum
BSC
outer solstice
if you taunt within 18sec of each other, boss will be immune after the 3rd taunt...
yeah as is usual, but it seems to happen a lot more often after the last reset
strong forum
idk havent done sire since january
outer solstice
oh well.... boosting on it, have like 160 kills xD xD
strong forum
floral nymph
okay, im just starting out. i have 211 ilvl because of my pvp gear and all but im not completely into it right now. Just used it as offspec since 2 or 3 days
strong forum
takes a bit of practice
outer solstice
yeah quite fast specc π many consistently hitting 60+ CPM (without any cheese like sqeak!)
valid zodiac
Btw it might be some off question but does anyone know what setting I need to up to see the Charged spear beams going out? I have Spell Density at half, Projected textures enabled and I only see pale gray beam going out which I can barely see
The spear from mobs before Devos
outer solstice
yeah but they don't move or turn
strong forum
Black splats popping off
outer solstice
it helps to know that they will always form a cross, so youhave to paint a little map in your mind
valid zodiac
Yea but on streams of other people I see like black stuff going off from them
outer solstice
and check every new spear after hitting
strong forum
Now I'm confused
outer solstice
might be some screen settings
strong forum
Just put particle density to ultra then
outer solstice
like brightness
valid zodiac
I've upped particle density now so I'll check next time I'm there
Doesn't help my GPU is weak AF
strong forum
If you have particle density on low you can't see it at all that I know
Wow is CPU heavy
Moreso than GPU
strong forum
Smell like broke in here π
barren socket
how much of a personal dmg loss is necro compared to kyrian/nf?
jagged pier
200-400 dps
strong forum
^
opaque hazel
Should this be possible that you get slimy consumptive organ when changing loot specialization arms? It not listed as dps spec only tank spec.
strong forum
your lootspec gets determined when you kill the last boss
not when you open the chest
paper holly
Yo guys what does a prot warrior bring in the current meta that other tanks dont? Atleast for m+
Apart from battle shout
paper holly
So, 1 thing?
ionic fern
Spell Reflect. 
strong forum
i mean what do other tanks bring, every tank has 1 or 2 stuns except DH
you asked specifically what others dont have
lavish oracle
Safeguard's probably got some niche use
strong forum
true
lavish oracle
Like it did in BFA
vernal hamlet
which covenant is better for protection?
lavish oracle
Other than that it's just got a differing mitigation profile
paper holly
i mean what do other tanks bring, every tank has 1 or 2 stuns except DH
Yeah i mean i wanted to see if they can assure a solid spot going forward
ionic fern
π
Solid spot for what?
strong forum
NF for great m+ damage and good raid dmg
Venthyr for great raid dmg
Kyrian for good m+ damage and decent raid dmg, and also most defensive
Necrolord for buffing other group members damage
@vernal hamlet
π
vernal hamlet
ty !!!!!
strong forum
pick your poison
lavish oracle
In raid, battle shout and Rally alone give us a solid spot
paper holly
π
Solid spot for what?
Getting invited :β(
ionic fern
I'm probably going NF just for the change of pace
strong forum
Yeah i mean i wanted to see if they can assure a solid spot going forward
for raiding its already in a great spot, getting invited is entirely a perception issue
ionic fern
Getting invited :β(
Shouldn't be an issue. π¦
Just make your own keys. 
strong forum
however i think alot of people will look at pwar differently starting next patch
lavish oracle
I kinda wanna go night fae just because it's better for Fury
ionic fern
however i think alot of people will look at pwar differently starting next patch
Only after a streamer says "Oh..wait...it's good".
strong forum
once a few more people suck it off in raid or people overhype it
ionic fern
Someone pay the top streamers to remain quiet about protection warriors so we can stay hidden.
lavish oracle
Buncha streamers have already said "oh wait, it'll be good"
strong forum
Dorki said pwar is gonna be broken
Max said double pwar might be a play
Danwar also says pwar is gonna be broken
which isnt true but its what theyre saying 
yeah...
paper holly
however i think alot of people will look at pwar differently starting next patch
You think the buffs will make a big difference? Havent had the chance to test this stuff on ptr yet
strong forum
huge difference
paper holly
Interesting, thats good to hear
boreal rover
hello guys, i have a question, what covenant is gonna be the best for prot warrior?
mint pike
i only recently got back into prot this expac (last played in legion) and so many people trash the spec π¦
its so fun though
arctic field
Is it true that necro is gna be very good for prot next patch?
cinder nova
I got a 220 bead boys
Time for the big pp dps
Sidenote
10% damage buff go brrrrr
strong forum
hello guys, i have a question, what covenant is gonna be the best for prot warri...
NF for great m+ damage and good raid dmg
Venthyr for great raid dmg
Kyrian for good m+ damage and decent raid dmg, and also most defensive
Necrolord for buffing other group members damage
cinder nova
Nom
I see that the pins say Necro is at the expense of your own damage
But we get like 500 - 600 STR on geared warriors
Is even that much plus the mastery not enough to overwhelm spear damage?
strong forum
on a 2min CD for 15sec
whereas spear grants 350 mastery for a good 20sec and a good chunk of damage every 1min
so no, the str proc alone on a 2min CD is not gonna do more than 2 spear uses
cinder nova
I guess you'd have to compare the damage from two spears collectively to determine what hump you have to overcome within that 15s window
And yeah, looking at it that way makes big sad.
cinder nova
Well
strong forum
extra
cinder nova
Revenge spamming is smoothbrain
cinder nova
Right, but how much damage does 500 STR + 400 mastery give?
dense burrow
So i see that in the pin it says go with Reprisal for a legendary for M+ but the logs seem to point to The Wall being better?
cinder nova
That's for 9.0.5 Hood
strong forum
the mastery is to be ignored in that equation, its only 50 mastery more than pelagos
dense burrow
Ok so for 9.0.5 reprisal probably go to
cinder nova
I mean you can factor mastery on both - and you should - the mastery provides extra damage as well as spear
sweet summit
yep
strong forum
27% more str for 15sec isnt gonna make you do 30-40k more dmg in ST
cinder nova
Yeah, but like - eyeballing it - how much you think it is?
strong forum
youre barely dealing 30-40k total in 15sec, let alone deal that extra
cinder nova
What? No. Dude, you can get like 6K SS right now back to back
strong forum
youd need to do over 200k dmg in those 15sec
cinder nova
No way it takes you 15s to do 40K
sweet summit
40k in 15 seconds is 2.6k dps
cinder nova
That's sub-standard ST
strong forum
in 35 seconds
WITH LUST AND ALL CDS
i do 200k dmg
youd need to do that in 15seconds
with banner ontop
to outdo spear dmg
rich helm
Yes but the 400 mastery on the other 2 ppl u forgot ? πππ
strong forum
thats not the the topic
sweet summit
we're talking personal dps
strong forum
no clue
oh banner
banner will be like 200-400 dps behind
in ST
for personal dps
rich helm
Why would you compare it in personal dps when its literally a buff for 3 ppl, i mean yeag obv its worse in personal
cinder nova
Are there sim algorithms or whatever the fuck already lined up to sim banner?
strong forum
no
cinder nova
Big sad.
sweet summit
u can sim it urself
cinder nova
How long do things like that normally run?
cinder nova
u can sim it urself
Oh? I can?
sweet summit
yar
cinder nova
Show me this.
strong forum
sims are entirely open source
rich helm
If u want to do personal dps dont go banner π if u want max dps go banner
sweet summit
make an extra profile with necrolord binds/conduits and shit
run
we are fully aware of this nik
solemn magnet
You may not max dps even with banner is its not lined up right, who knows
tribal flint
If u want to do personal dps dont go banner π if u want max dps go banner
Brilliant
feral sky
yo quick question, for first leggo should i do signet or a prot focused one? tyvm π
strong forum
ye its gonna take some 
work to figure out how much of an actual raid dps gain it is
cinder nova
make an extra profile with necrolord binds/conduits and shit
How do I go about this?
sweet summit
if your mainspec is fury/arms make signet
can grab one from top gear i reckon
"unlock all soulbinds"
argh
ill do it myself
give me like 5 min
feral sky
i mainly play prot but sometimes ppl say go dps and then...thats why i ask is for first
strong forum
signet is pretty trash for prot
feral sky
tyvm
crimson furnace
old prot player coming back to prot, any tips on fast gaering??, going to hit 60 soon!
thnx guys!
strong forum
fastest gearing would be pvp
or getting hard carried through heroic raid
gearing is pretty trash in SL
cinder nova
ill do it myself
I assume the ptr=1 comment is in the custom APL?
sweet summit
you need to be in advanced
mighty valley
you can get a lot of 197 gear just by doing campaign and getting renown, doesn't take long
cinder nova
Oh dude HUGE SAD. I do have a fire mage and a boomie in my group though
sweet summit
thats not bad lmao
cinder nova
Think it's worth it?
sweet summit
@ionic fern did i fuck up something
cinder nova
Yeah, but I can't parse doing doo doo personal damage.
north valve
Wait do people actually care about tank parses?
ionic fern
<@!238357283996696576> did i fuck up something
Probably. I can't check atm, dealing with something.
π¦
strong forum
if i dont have a 99 im not happy.
cinder nova
Not for trying to advert to a guild, but for personal achievement, a lot of people.
If you aren't cheesing to get it, then you're trying to go the extra mile.
If you aren't under pressure of death you should be pushing damage.
How much is up to you and your personal ability to balance mechanics, survival, and output.
north valve
Huh. I guess people play the game for different reasons. Iβm more of a did the boss die then who cares kinda guy
cinder nova
But just sidelining DPS as a tank is a huge waste of yours and everyone's time.
solemn current
What's the Unstoppable Force talent vs Ravager looking for in Dungeons with the damage buffs especially to Thunder Clap if anyone has done the math. Ravager still go to?
sweet summit
ravager is probably still the go to
UF is more attactive now, and with reprisal you can afford to take AM
which increases UFs value even more
solemn current
Was afraid of that. Shame too. UF is more fun IMO.
sweet summit
same
cinder nova
20% on our weakest rotational ability ain't gonna save it
cinder nova
Especially since Rav got a 10%
strong forum
Huh. I guess people play the game for different reasons. Iβm more of a did the b...
in that sense not a single parse matters
but its fun competing with others
besides just killing shit
cinder nova
I definitely don't agree with that notion lol.
Sloppy kills and having to carry other people's mistakes is not something I want to spend my time in.
north valve
Well if Iβm tanking I donβt really look at parses just did it die, if Iβm dpsing Iβm looking at parses
strong forum
a parse is even as tank a decent indicator if youre playing well or not
cinder nova
Yeah, but "oh well, the boss died at least" dismisses a lot of poor play across the board.
solemn magnet
You're contributing the same way as a dps, so idk why you wouldn't care about how well you're doing?
ionic fern
rude :/
Wait, what was the question? Necro is a DPS loss for us personally.
Or what were you trying to sim?
cinder nova
Sim
sweet summit
ya ik but most people are kyrian no? so i took that as the example
cinder nova
Well, I'm Kyrian and I was asking, so it was what I needed.
sweet summit
also that
sweet summit
holding
cinder nova
If we HOLD OFF SWAPPING NECRO they might buff it again.
sweet summit
hmmm
cinder nova
We could GME the Necro covenant
crimson furnace
βΉοΈ
sweet summit
merry aurora
What looks better with 9.0.5 kyrian or necro?
cinder nova
Depends on your guild coordination.
strong forum
NF for great m+ damage and good raid dmg
Venthyr for great raid dmg
Kyrian for good m+ damage and decent raid dmg, and also most defensive
Necrolord for buffing other group members damage
cinder nova
Did they nerf burrs in this recent pass?
strong forum
there is no THIS IS BETTER answer
crimson furnace
as far as I was told by my guild. going necro prot in raids will open up a better team comp and bigger dmg overall
so here I am, levelign my warr again
π
cinder nova
Because if they haven't I might go after NF anyway
sweet summit
Did they nerf burrs in this recent pass?
dont think so
cinder nova
So it's just as busted as before?
strong forum
NF is π dmg
sweet summit
ya
cinder nova
I think I'll go NF then
Get that big pp parse
Is there much nuance to using Aftershock?
Or is it mostly like Spear
coarse matrix
I mean I just wish blizzard brought glass stance back. π
cinder nova
That'll be easy
I don't like NF as a zone or a covenant though
So that'll take getting used to
How much of a bump %-wise is NF over Kyrian, Erga?
sweet summit
OH NO I DID FUCK UP
cinder nova
???
cinder nova
Sidenote - did you include using a STR potion for banner?
sweet summit
in the sim i linked
cinder nova
Can you test them both with STR potions? I feel like that's kind of an important bit considering the STR gain is %-based and 100+ extra strength could be nearly an item's worth of STR missing otherwise.
Or is that impossible
strong forum
it is possible, but its less dmg in ST
to str pot
phantom fire alone does like 40k dmg per use
strong forum
whats up
sweet summit
1.1% from kyrian
wet compass
what's the venthyr one?
wet compass
π
cinder nova
It's official, Erga's gonna be our "exactly how mathematically close are the covenants parsing" coder
sweet summit
this is without legendaries btw
strong forum
again, remove WFT
sweet summit
argh sure
cinder nova
Why remove WFT?
strong forum
it grants you 20% more SS resets which plays very much into favour of venthyr and necro
and 98% of groups dont have an enha shaman
cinder nova
(What if mine did?)
strong forum
then youre free to sim so
sweet summit
same
sweet summit
how do i disable wft in advanced 
sweet summit
top gear innit
just used the unlock all soulbinds option
to get the highest simming option for every covenant
i hope
wet compass
I mean if you only have 4 melee and one has a wft no reason to not give it to the tank π
sweet summit
is night fae supposed to the that far ahead
wet compass
isn't venth supposed to be ahead in single target since a sim assumes you are spending all your rage on damage
ionic fern
is night fae supposed to the **that** far ahead
Condemn usage is crap atm.
It's using IP instead of it in execute phases.
sweet summit
ah so its not on my end? π
ionic fern
It's being changed atm as i'm updating reprisal.
wet compass
Burr damage from what I've seen was only like 200 dps
sweet summit
π
cinder nova
Depends entirely on how long that 20% lasts.
Fights where you have a really heavy open (lusting on open, dumping CDs) it'll have less value
Like... technically.
π€
Probably best to ignore me
I'm not doing math on any of this and I'm interplanetary
So I'mma go lay down
Thanks Erga
barren summit
do u guys think the upcoming buffs will bring us back into m+ game?
sweet summit
np mate
solemn magnet
we already out here
sweet summit
ye we are ramping
astral crystal
anyone know if there's increased renown drops?
solemn magnet
i haven't heard anything, but i'm lvling NF now and 6/6 on renown spamming heroics
maybe luck
wet compass
I'm tempted to go nf but I feel like I should just switch to venth since I'm likely doing to end up stuck dpsing
west kayak
I play with a boomie/spriest and occasionaly a Fire Mage for my M+. We dont really push just have fun. Would it be a good idea to switch to Necro for the banner? Kyrian at the moment.
solemn magnet
i'm 11 in like 3 hours of play?
sweet summit
only shit part is doing the fucking campaign
do you have another kyrian in your group?
or another necrolord for that matter
west kayak
No necro, I think the other three are fae.
sweet summit
kyrian dungeon buffs are better than necrolord ones
wet compass
I could probably just switch to NF or Venth will probably do it after this week
sweet summit
so id probably stay kyrian tbh
wet compass
since if I end up tanking I will go necro next patch anyway
west kayak
Fleshcraft looks pretty nice for an extra shield for caster packs and the such.
wet compass
meh it's more about being simp for the dps π
so here's the real question why don't we have blood elf shamans and druids yet I kind of want to level a healer but those are the only ones that interest me π¦
sweet summit
class fantasy
wet compass
overrated ion over fucking rated
strong forum
cuz blood elves are mana greedy remorseless creatures
and druid and shaman does not fit that narrative at all
wet compass
pft there are druids of the flame fel druids doesn't seem a stretch
there were also evil shamans who threw their lot in with garrosh
wet compass
I mean what do you call supremacists other than evil?
wet compass
their gif selection for mocking dad jokes is sadly lacking π¦
cursive prawn
Dark iron dwarf shamans are another one by the way. Subservient to Rag and all of that
sweet kayak
Rip Garrosh π¦
wet compass
good riddance to the douche
fast latch
Anyone have a good recommendation for which Necrolord soul bind to run? Working on getting up to renown cap for next week.
jolly granite
Emni
fast latch
Is it because of her first one being good for banner and simping for dps?
jolly granite
Simming I donβt know but yes first trait and also the other synergize really well with the rework
Also one of her traits gets reworked
fast latch
Ahh, thanks. I need to see about her rework.
jolly granite
1 sec cd reduction for fleshcraft for every dead body you pass
The shield will be up a lot π
wet compass
simpin ain't easy
fast latch
Oh yeah, I know that change. That seems pretty fun.
And I enjoy banner and fleshcraft more than spear.
jolly granite
With the covenant rework it is 2 sec in total for every corpse
Iβm no high key pusher- playing keys around 15-16. so I choose what ever I like and my group is fine with it π
crimson vortex
Iβm 217 fury main, and if I have to become an off tank in raid or possibly m+ up to 15, do I need a different cov then venthyr for defense? I wanted to go nf for m+ after raid prog but my non warrior friend who just reads stuff says I have to go kyrian and itβll be great for all specs
sweet summit
night fae is a very solid option for all 3 specs when youre on farm
id stay venthyr if youre dps main and still progging raid
cunning parcel
I dps as fury in M+ with nadia and tank in raid as Draven. It's not perfect but its doable.
Plus I dont have to switch conduits every time I switch
crimson vortex
On sire so hopefully prog will be done soon, after that I was really wanting NF, but I overthink any big change and want to go for the best all round option, Iβve tried draven as prot and I figured it wasnβt great
sweet summit
i use draven for pvp, theo for prot and nadjia for fury
crimson vortex
I rock draven as arms for PvP too, never thought to try Theo for prot or even fury much
Heard it was kinda weird to use, proc based
sweet summit
ideally you go nadjia i think
but since im also dps main
i prio that over prot
so prot has to go theo
but its fine
crimson vortex
Ahhh makes sense for not switching conduits. I messed with draven a lot to where I only have to switch maybe one if I switch between two
For arms
sweet summit
yeah i hate conduit energy, so id rather not think about it x)
crimson vortex
Yup same here, Iβm surprised I even wanted to multispec with that lol
open monolith
if you just play one spec you never have to worry about it π
sweet summit
ya but that gets boring :/
open monolith
well that's when you make a 2nd character
2 characters provides more weekly content than 2 specs on 1 character π
distant mesa
Big brain make one character for each spec
vestal peak
question pls guys, how big of a dps increase my raid will have with Necro banner, is it worth the change or its just a slight dmg increase?
median tulip
question pls guys, how big of a dps increase my raid will have with Necro banner...
It's not the whole raid, it's just 2 Players
So it depends who gets the buff
vestal peak
two boomkins that we have
median tulip
They should be able to Sim the effect to find out what benefit they get
!simyoself
wtf, I thought that was a command here
vestal peak
will i have a big impact on my tanking as Necro cuz i have no idea about the soul binds, and if anyone knows will it be bad or at least good?
finite prairie
I need big brain help on halls. Specifically the part where people normally jump down onto the hunter pack. Yes, I'm the same guy who asked last time. Yes, I'm kinda retarded so I still don't get it.
I have 1 of 2 things happen. 1 I have a solid group and can jump down and get hunter and servants pack and pride on the tail end and all is well. 2 I have a meh dps group or its fort week or something and that is 2 wipes at least and costs key
latent escarp
If I wanted to play Prot(mythic raiding/+'s) and also Fury would nightfae be better than kyrian?
floral pewter
instead of jumping down, you can go to the stairs on the right
pull the two dudes, then the Houndmaster pat, then go left toward the Halkias shard
finite prairie
I want a ramp option if I dont have confidence in the group to stun/tranq, but it seems so slow
Yeah so this is what I've done tell me how to do it better. Pull 2 casters before 2nd shard and 2 mobs top of stairs, pull hunter pack pat at bottom of ramp and the 2 standing with steward, pride, 2nd shard, jump down and do rest
floral pewter
You don't have to jump down
You can kill the shard, then go down the stairs, and never have to fight the Houndmaster & dogs under the ledge at all
finite prairie
Well on that option im jumping down once the side stuff is clear
So I can leap out if beasts are up and no tranq
mighty valley
if space is the problem, you can walk right to the edge and body pull the houndmaster + dogs without pulling anything else as long as the pat isn't close
mighty valley
Nice option to have on affixes that make you move around
trying to fight in that corner with storming etc is nightmare
flint wraith
Can someone explain bounding stride over crackling thunder in the pins?
sweet summit
thunderclap isnt a meaningfull ability so the potential dps gain is so small
also bounding is great QoL
i still run crackling tho, no big deal
strong forum
Bounding let's you go fast
Crackling doesn't
Jokes aside
It really doesn't matter, the impact is beyond small, unnoticably small so you run with whatever you feel comfortable with
I prefer bounding
flint wraith
How about devatator in m+?
seems awkward?
Or like... i feel like i need something to press
And nothing is "up"
strong forum
Devastator is big
In aoe you rarely ever have situations with nothing to press
In ST, a bit, but not really
Atleast I don't
flint wraith
I just feel as if - i press TC, SS and revenge
outer solstice
yep
flint wraith
what is more less it innit?
outer solstice
I mean that's about it
strong forum
Rav, Demo, spear, Avatar those 4 buttons grant you so much rage
Revenge TC and deva resetting SS a ton
outer solstice
- charge taunt shield block ignore pain (if you're nto nomeratur) and all kinds of CDs
outer solstice
will switch on sunday
strong forum
Hm
outer solstice
I have my pink hc logs anyway
outer solstice
we have a lot to press
strong forum
Maybe I don't notice it idk
outer solstice
downtime is like, once every 20 fights for 1 hit
strong forum
Maybe it's the 29% haste
flint wraith
Dunno - could be me just comming from druid
you can always fill that shit with swipe
outer solstice
oh well, for arms it's quite common to have downtime
"do nothing" can be a legit DPS choice xD
fringe marten
10% Aura buff..?
I thought we were getting 10% damage boost to all combat arts, and additional 10% to Tclap on top of that?
(was reading pins)
outer solstice
10% aura is 10% to everything
strong forum
That's exactly what an aura buff is.
outer solstice
think of it as a permanent hidden 10% aura we have
there are a lot of these in the current version
fringe marten
Oh is that what he means by 'aura' ? ok..I thought as much but I'd never seen that word used to phrase it like that.
strong forum
They generally include all abilities, some in different groupings.
And they tune those auras to have an easier time to balance abilities
Instead of the actual formula of the ability
So they just increased our pwar aura from 0% to 10%
Since we never had aura tuning previously it was 0%
WW for example is on a permanent -18% aura iirc
And some others are on just wild numbers
strong forum
I think there's a spell that has a +4178% aura or some shit
Cuz it's wildly broken
In the literal sense
strong forum
So they just increased our pwar aura from 0% to 10%
And ontop of that aura buff, they also increased the TC AP formula by 10%
wet compass
Aura buffing is dangerous because they rely on it too much rather than just fixing specific problems.
strong forum
Yes, but in our case it's luckily perfectly fine
wet compass
Like DH is sucktastic as havoc in single target but pumps in aoe and they keep buffing it with auras
wet compass
Yeah I was putting out some nutty burst with fury earlier today since it's way easier to get groups as fury
wet compass
I'm Kyrian but yeah going to probably end up venth or nf after this week just don't have time to swap and renown grind during push week
outer coral
Yeah I was putting out some nutty burst with fury earlier today since it's way e...
you mean compared to prot?
lavish oracle
I haven't really had any big issues as prot
Like you kinda get waitlisted sometimes but you're still a tank
heady plaza
will the buffs in 9.0.5 improve our rage?
heady plaza
ii have a hard time using my defensives and maintaining threat
sweet summit
reprisal will help a lot with that
but it most likely mean youre doing something wrong
if you struggle a lot with aggro/staying alive
heady plaza
what else can i do other than tc ravager ds and revenge spam to get rage
to get threat*
i guess i could tab target condemn
sweet summit
spear/AA/challenging shout/more revenge
o a fellow venthyr gamer
nah u dont want to spend too much rage on condemn in aoe
chilly brook
o a fellow venthyr gamer
What's up gamer
heady plaza
more revenge just causes me to not have enough rage for ip or shield block
chilly brook
more revenge just causes me to not have enough rage for ip or shield block
It's a balancing act
heady plaza
guess ill try to put a bit less on revenge and let the dps die if they get aggro
chilly brook
sorry i missed a ping today/yesterday idk
lol you really didn't miss much
sweet summit
and convo seemed dead so π€·ββοΈ
chilly brook
Dumb argument
sweet summit
thats the opposite of what you want to do lol
chilly brook
guess ill try to put a bit less on revenge and let the dps die if they get aggro
So
IP you can skimp on a lot
chilly brook
1 IP=2 revenge
heady plaza
ya i usually prioritize sb
chilly brook
just learn where to cut out IP
sweet summit
ye thats the correct play
IP just isnt very strong
SB is usually enough
IP is used if youre taking unblockable damage
or too much blockable damage and dont need the damage from revenge
chilly brook
I know raid isn't an optimal comparison
But on mythic fights I'm at like 10 or less IP casts tbh
In dungeons I usually don't press it unless I feel like the healer needs some buffer room
potent fable
I feel anxious w/o ip, probably cause legion gameplay
And not playing prot since then
So i overuse it
chilly brook
Even in BFA IP was mostly just a rage dump
chilly brook
Revenge was just a lot less good
south robin
I'm hanging out in voice if anyone wants to chill
manic scaffold
is barghasts leash good?
sweet summit
nah
manic scaffold
fuck
polar field
be honest friends. If i only really want to dabble in M+ (10s-15s), how is warrior
I do 18-19s on my main so this would be an alt
worn bear
should be just fine for that range
quick question btw, i don't pay much attention to prot leggos. wowhead seems to think that reprisal got a nerf so why's it being talked about currently? is it just still solid?
lofty widget
reprisal is still very strong and will easily net you above 80 % block uptime + the rage gained is big too
and it allows us to play more aggresive talents such as bsc and am
solar spear
annoyed with myself for slacking on torghast now lol
sick sentinel
im just waiting on next week toghast now
broken cedar
if i dont currently have a prot lego, is it worth crafting reprisal now or just wait incase it gets changed before release?
glacial skiff
For raid would I be better off using a 235 signet vs 190 thundelords lol?
The boots would also be replaced by 226 lmao
stray gazelle
10/10 Mythic+ all 15+ keys 4/10 M its time to switch to necrolord
solemn magnet
the signet, but signet also not great for prot
sturdy sable
the signet, but signet also not great for prot
It's really good if your trying to do more damage
solemn magnet
is it tho?
sturdy sable
Lol I run it when Im parsing
Reck during execute it pretty nice
Even better with condemn
wooden spruce
hey guys! so after all the sim and test im ptr, is the buff we are getting good enough? (compared to the other tanks of course) and also if we will going with UF+AM or keep switching rav/IF for myth/raid
Been having almost no trouble tanking on heroic and over +10, but still wanna help with more dmg to my guild
strong forum
UF will be deal comparable damage to rav
but rav will still generate better rage than UF
AM will be playable with reprisal even in m+
pwar was already good enough prior to the buffs we're getting, itll put us a bit more in line with other tanks and dmg output will get a nice bump in m+
sturdy sable
Do we know what the block uptime will be with the 2s nerf
strong forum
still 80%+
strong forum
just not 95%+
sturdy sable
Still massive
strong forum
yes
lofty widget
whats our current bolck uptime? 60 something %?
strong forum
70%ish with bolster
sick sentinel
what is this nerf
wooden spruce
so reprisal for all then?
sturdy sable
M+ for sure
You'll most likely run the wall in raid since alot of bosses require proper positioning and can't be pingponged around the room
strong forum
Raid will often still be the wall, but reprisal will also see play
You're best of having both at r4
floral pewter
rather than uptime, think of it this way: you can charge in, intervene a dps, pop your two charge of SB, and that's 20 seconds of block. By the time that expires, you have charge back and another use of block, extending it to 30s. Then Intervene comes back up, getting you to 34s, and around then you get a fourth use of block, extending to 40s. Then you charge again. Finally, around the 44s mark, you experience some downtime.
if you go into a pull without both charges up, it's not quite as good
sturdy sable
Yeah the block uptime is really just a piece of the pie considering your getting bonus rage a free revenge cast and a free block charge
It's a huge rage gain
Alone
floral pewter
like, the uptime is "enough you can have SB basically all the time you would want it"
when it's two dudes about to die and one is a caster, you just go without block and let stuff recharge
glossy needle
Prot warr without SB up is a scary m+ experience
sturdy sable
Yeah but I'm scared shitless on a pally with sotr up
floral pewter
Still has more armor than a bear with IF up and a pally with sotr up
Er, do we? SotR is 170% of strength, Vanguard is 100%, no?
strong forum
rather than uptime, think of it this way: you can charge in, intervene a dps, po...
Now imagine having more haste than 0 and you have alot more SBs in there aswell
broken cedar
assuming ilvl is equal, should i prio haste over vers if i have to choose on an item (mainly tank in keys) or is it personal preference?
strong forum
I'm running 29% haste 12% vers
At 224 equipped
General consensus is run max haste
If you're running big dick keys more vers might become attractive but I'm not sold on that yet
broken cedar
ok good to know, just switched from high vers with low haste to 20% haste, 19%ish vers
assuming you are gemming/enchanting haste too?
strong forum
Absolutely
Around 25% haste is when shit starts to become real comfortable imo
But that's just feelycraft
plain scaffold
just got into prot warr, have been doing dungeons wondering how I can know im doing well. Is there a standard on % damage prevented over taken?
strong forum
Not rly no
If your healer isn't complaining and you're not sitting on the edge of your seat when tanking, thats pretty much the only indicator you can look for
sick sentinel
Who here knows alot about Critical Blocking
strong forum
Define alot
open monolith
It's like a normal block, but more.
sweet summit
twice the amount a normal block would be
sick sentinel
Ye that I know.
plain scaffold
super block
sweet summit
but capped at 85% DR iirc
sick sentinel
So the formula for critical blocking is your block chance x critical block chance for the amount of critical blocks u can expect.
strong forum
Its just your mastery
sweet summit
its ur mastery
sick sentinel
Ye.
but if ur block chance is 25% like mine
and u have a 22.5% chance to critically block
sweet summit
block chance is irrelevant as you have 100% with SB up
sick sentinel
its 25% x .225 for the amount of critical blocks u get.
@sweet summit Thats what I was gonna ask ty.
if you have shield block up
strong forum
If you have SB up mastery = crit block chance
sick sentinel
so with shield block up
strong forum
That's just it
sick sentinel
awesome kk.
unkempt fox
let's go booooys
unkempt fox
im gonna cap
open monolith
you never cap
unkempt fox
8k is the cap
strong forum
Cap is 8k
open monolith
right, but it isn't
open monolith
if you go over 8k, and then spend some, you will immediately get the left over
there was a reddit post about it the other day
strong forum
unkempt fox
sock saves the day
open monolith
basically someone did torghast, got 15 soul ash
crafted something
and all of a sudden got the rest in their bag
"bag"
strong forum
open monolith
grain of salt: just something I saw on reddit the other day
strong forum
Seismic reverb
For big pad
Also how are you capping I have 2x r4 and 1x r1 leggo and I'm on 5.8k Ash
You should be capping after reset
wooden spruce
I'm running 29% haste 12% vers
what about the other stats? im going 20% haste (without IF)/15% vers/23% mastery/11% crit
strong forum
Irrelevant
Only thing that matters is high ilvl
Then haste
Rest is pretty much yolo
unkempt fox
im doing all missions since day 1 im at 7500 and 1 torghast wing left
strong forum
I'm slowly wanting more crit
Gotta get that dam
Cba all that vers bullshit
Fucking 10% DR, big whoop
mellow patio
Bro come on the tanks in bfa ran it
strong forum
median tulip
any chance im gonna need that soul ash
Signet for offspec? Or maybe one of the others if they ever give us the ability to wear 2 Legendaries. Reprisal+Seismic would be fun. Or When 9.1 rolls around and Rank5s become available
heavy sail
Iβd craft seismic anyway.
Itβll be BIS for padding
And really any content where you know your life isnβt in danger at all.
median tulip
I'm seriously torn over what Stats to put on my Reprisal though, gotta be honest. I think with the extra Shield Block uptime that Haste may not be quite as high priority, and Crit and Mastery somewhat better for pumping in M+
static vortex
Has anyone begun to think about optimal charge/intervene/sb rotations? Id imagine it would be charge>sb>sb>intervene>charge>sb or something
mint pike
if i was using signet and got a bladestorm proc, can i still dodge/parry/block during bs?
heavy sail
My feeling is that Haste is probably still the best, but SB uptime definitely devalues it defensively.
A lot.
I donβt think you could go wrong with either
Iβll put crit and mastery on my seismic whenever I craft it
violet jolt
so what, we moving to Reprisal for M+ coming 9.0.5 or thunderlord still better
strong forum
Has anyone begun to think about optimal charge/intervene/sb rotations? Id imagin...
I'd say charge>intervene the melee>sb>sb>sb>charge and so on
You want the CD rolling on all 3 buttons
heavy sail
Friendship ended with TL, Reprisal is my new best friend.
strong forum
Maybe only double SB then charge again
violet jolt
copy that my fellow warrior tanks
static vortex
I'd say charge>intervene the melee>sb>sb>sb>charge and so on
shouldnt the sb put on cd b4 intrv? since the sb from charge and intrv would basically be a wasted sb recharge
static vortex
Oo trueeee
heavy sail
They stack additively
heavy sail
So thereβs not really a learning curve for timing it optimally. Not any moreso than SB already was.
strong forum
^
median tulip
Has anyone begun to think about optimal charge/intervene/sb rotations? Id imagin...
It'll be mega situational; Pulls with casters in will allow you to charge from the pack to the caster for free Shield Block (and effectively a little moment of kiting).
strong forum
Intervene in ranged insta charge + SB also works before the pull
So you get all 3 rolling aswell
median tulip
Double Time, like any "now x has 2 charges" talent, will make your use of it much more flexible
heavy sail
With the added uptime I think most problem packs will be dead before kiting is mandatory, at least for mid-level keys.
strong forum
Yes
heavy sail
Youβll be able to face tank a little harder
median tulip
True, but always worth considering.
median tulip
Also Explosive week you will be able to Charge onto the explosives, which will also kill them xD
violet jolt
warrior dmg buff too is also π
heavy sail
Iβm so fucking pumped for TBC, watching old raid footage all week.
So many of the best raids blizzard has ever done packed into one xpac
median tulip
Sadly "Revenge!" procs do not stack AFAIK, so the Intervene out > Charge In routine will decrease your free DPS from the procs
heavy sail
Yeah youβll have to weave the melee attack in.
sick sentinel
Remember to take a melee to intervene on close quarters range
obtuse prism
silly question, but wont the dps get annoyed when we jump around for sb and the neatly stacked mobs start to spread?
sick sentinel
They will be dazed and confused with our awesomeness
obtuse prism
if my math is somewhat sensical it will be like
- charge in pack (get first set of sb for free)
- after 6s pop sb
- after 6s pop sb
- intervene
- jump out and charge again
- after 6s pop sb
- after 6s pop sb
repeat
maybe someone smarter can correct me
sick sentinel
You may trade 4 with 3 to put intervene cd rolling
sterile moss
Anyone know how to optimize how many ticks of blood price you spell reflect? Sometimes it reflects only one of the ticks, other times up to 5
ionic fern
if my math is somewhat sensical it will be like
1. charge in pack (get first set...
You also want to pop one SB charge asap to get that CD rolling.
So Charge->SB
dark lark
Getting trucked by the mythic darkvein dot, but her melee doesn't seem to do much. Pour more rage into IP?
obtuse prism
good point - is there a diminishing return on poping sb's like for ip or no?
(I know they stack but idk if three will still stack or no)
austere stream
18s iirc
heavy mountain
Im assuming we wanna make pants for reprisal?
sick sentinel
Depends in what you have and if you can get slg legs 233
obtuse prism
so i just tried last stand + 2sbs and the wa just said 24s or so (some loss cuz gcd and such) - meaning it doesnt seem there's a cap
fluid gust
Hey guys. New prot, completly new keybinds, any advice what to focus first on (practical speaking, in fight)? Love all the buttons, catching myself using very little.
austere stream
Shield block
sick sentinel
Correct use of shield block
fluid gust
correct mean, using when heavy melee, not when heavy magic?
austere stream
Also, for guides you should 
fluid gust
i will do that thanks ^
sick sentinel
Yes, and remember to bind spell reflect close... You will learn to love it.
fluid gust
hmm ok ok. Wait I SB buff stacks? I was juggling it nonstop ;_;
fringe marten
...Will Heavy Rep increasing the block time from Reprisal block?
fluid gust
and to the best i can tell there is no upper cap
omg thanks so much, that will free my brain up for better moment to moment decision making
obtuse prism
but you don't really want to just stack it as that leaves you with big gaps. for example in mists with the caster mobs in the maze - if you stack it there its mostly useless because half of the time they arent hitting you if they are casting
there are times when stacking it is wise tho
I still lack good decision making on that
fluid gust
ok ok, but its like a no brainer in heavy phys and mostly phys bosses to do. right?
plush saffron
shield block still caps at 18s, the sb granted by LS goes past that but normal sb doesnt
plush saffron
hard to cap it anyway even with reprisal
fluid gust
that means? when sb buff due to legy > 13 dont push?
plush saffron
you most likely wont ever get it that high
ornate sky
so i made a plater module to color castbars differently if a spell is reflectable and reflect is off cd and you're the target or another color if the target has reflect up, https://wago.io/PVwYYzSaP if someone wants to test/use
only pve
plush saffron
nice
urban portal
God damn
That sounds pretty compels
Complex
I just cast it whenever dbm counts down
median tulip
if my math is somewhat sensical it will be like
1. charge in pack (get first set...
You only get 4s of Shield Block from Reprisal, not 6. Otherwise that's workable, but in actual gameplay there will be a lot of decisions to make on the fly. In particular, the ability to directly charge onto caster mobs will be huge, when they are available.
floral pewter
my choice to play a Void Elf warrior will be wise instead of absurd, because I can teleport out and instantly charge back in
lavish oracle
You wanna intervene when you charge, no?
lavish oracle
Otherwise you're losing recharge time on intervene
plush saffron
charge revenge then intervene if you have melee
lavish oracle
Sure, but not wait 12s like their post said
One of the advantages of reprisal is being able to have 3 charges of SB cooling down independently of each other
plush saffron
yeah def
desert folio
What's the ideal Night Fae soulbind path for M+? Is there a resource anywhere?
Niya burrs seem like a good dps gain but Korayn has some solid defensive options
obtuse prism
those are good points - meaning I gotta rethink my math :)
desert folio
so korayn double endurance + first strike is the play?
outer solstice
would be my pick
fringe marten
Really curious if Heavy Repercussions will extend the reprisal block.
floral pewter
I don't see why it wouldn't
once the buff is up, I don't think the game cares where it came from
fringe marten
it SHOULD, if the reprisal block is 'real' block just like last stand now is (from bolster)
It used to not be 'true' block so it wouldn't give the damage boost to shield slam.
I don't ..? think? It would be better than anger man's...but if we're about to be putting up lots of small block windows, extending them a few seconds could be really nice..plus it's almost the same rage gen as 'the wall' bonus is. (3 vs 5..but still ...that part of the wall I got really used to.)
When I don't run the wall, every time I charge/slam...I'm like "..? why can't I insta block? I need more rage?)
ornate sky
spell id on the shield block from reprisal is the same as the spell id from casting shield block
fringe marten
Losing 'walls' reduction on shield wall will be really noticable in M+ though, so between lowering avatar and shield wall...AM might be the only viable pick if you're going to do anything but run bolster.
Then yeah heavy rep would extend it.
I don't hate that idea? It'd be pretty cool if all 3 of our top tier defensive talents were all viable...even with all the added block time from reprisal, there's still nothing wrong with bolster.. we just don't 'HAVE' to run it with reprisal. bought the T4 leg and missives today; and made my weak auras for keeping an eye on intervene and charge.
and all the talk about the retuned leggos...we're also getting 10% more damage..and 20% more on Tclap.. If this were a DPS channel people would be losing their minds over that shit. Gonna' be a pretty spicy patch day π
lavish raptor
Is there any slight advantage/preference for horde races when it comes to Prot war?
sturdy sable
We learned to temper our expectations here @fringe marten
tepid raptor
is prot gonna be meta again??
sturdy sable
Probably not
ancient veldt
Guys do you thing is good idea change to necrolord? I'm night fae
ornate sky
Probably not
sturdy sable
Do you raid/do keys with a coordinated group?
That has DPS that can maximize the banner
fast ruin
How about Kyrian vs NF?
sturdy sable
Both are great
fast ruin
which do you prefer @sturdy sable
sturdy sable
Well
I was kyrian till week 3 and went venth till last week
When I accidentally turned in part 2 of the quest chain to go back
And to answer your question I'd rather be night fae
More DPS
fast ruin
does the knock down ever bait group kicks?
sturdy sable
No more than a poorly timed shockwave would
fast ruin
hmm interesting. the tool tip gives me flashbacks to that month i played ele sham in BFA. baited my own kick once or twice
bright salmon
With the new Reprisal, will Best Served Cold get more use too?
lavish oracle
Yep
We won't need the extra rage gen from BV with Reprisal equipped
so we can run BSC for a big boost to DPS
bright salmon
does BSC work on the Reprisal proc? or would u just get the 20% increase instead?
lavish oracle
It works with the reprisal proc
'Revenge!' is the name of the buff we get when we dodge/parry an attack and revenge becomes free
Reprisal gives us 'Revenge!'
bright salmon
ah thx
wanton condor
'Revenge!' is the name of the buff we get when we dodge/parry an attack and reve...
You've tested? Someone said it didn't before
plush saffron
it literally says it on the legendary
median tulip
Someone yesterday did test it; it works
gentle notch
We pumping?
plush saffron
pump city
gentle notch
too bad our potency conduit buffs TC by pressing revenge and not the other way around
median tulip
I just wish Show Of Force stacked
gentle notch
I do agree with what was said before we need some reworks on the conduits they feel real out of date with the current legendaries and playstyles
median tulip
TBH the conduits are pretty universally undertuned for every class
median tulip
I don't play Mage, so I'll take your word for it
sturdy sable
You gotta remember the whole soulbind system was reworked only a few weeks before shadowlands launched so it's gonna be kind of a crock
That's not to say they are justified in doing so but it is a reason
sick sentinel
hello, one question, any1 think we must change the kyrian covenant for necrolord? or is worthless?
gentle notch
"must" is a very strong word
ornate sky
it wasn't really reworked.. just two powers swapped places on each soulbind and the assumption that conduits went above rank 7 was false
gentle notch
its not like the other covenants got weaker its just that necrolord is no longer a giant joke
coarse perch
are the upcoming damage buffs going to be something highly noticable?
ornate sky
is 10% noticeable to you?
chilly brook
I mean like 3.9k
would then become almost 4.3k
14k condemns
would be 15.4k
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
Plus we'll be running reprisal and possibly AM/UF
median tulip
are the upcoming damage buffs going to be something highly noticable?
Yes. Both the raw 10% damage increase, the additional 10% for Thunderclap, and the fact that the reworked Reprisal legendary encourages a damage-output playstyle will strongly increase viable damage output.
gentle notch
There is also the argument that we can go a bit more offensive with talents with reprisal in m+ but its not like prot warriors are gonna suddenly be some MDI wunderkid
chilly brook
which means it'll be more than 10%
ornate sky
right, i just think set expectations and its not likely to be an overbuff
gentle notch
even with a 10% dps loss vengence will still be king
outer coral
what do you guys think of doing keys as venthyr prot? cause I main fury
ornate sky
not needing healing is pretty insane with how some healer dps is now
median tulip
I suspect that with Reprisal, Kyrian will have slightly more talent flexibility, because their Rage generation will be better. Venthyr will almost have to take Ravager for the Rage economy.
modern hearth
There is also the argument that we can go a bit more offensive with talents with...
necro prot warr might be something nutty to play with in the MDI
gentle notch
It might, doubt it
median tulip
The value of Necro prot in M+ will depend upon party composition and co-ordination
dense flame
Kyrian thunder lords
modern hearth
400 mastery for most dps is pretty substantial
dense flame
median tulip
400 mastery for most dps is pretty substantial
400 Mastery for the two closest people in the party. Which is probably going to work against Mistweaver and Holy Pally healers. It also means that if you're using Reprisal you need to be careful of relative placement as you utilize the Legendary...
modern hearth
leap onto the boomkin/mage drop banner
or, more likely
the boomkin/mage/whatever is getting the buff, stands on the prot
and the healer steps back
median tulip
Could be, but then they gotta move instead of turretting, and they are potentially getting hit by Cleave etc
modern hearth
they both have instant movement tho with soulshape/blink/disengage
well, most do
but also mages want to be in melee anyway
median tulip
It's definitely a case where party composition and coordination play a major role. I think NecroProt will have a lot of value in static groups, less in the ruck and run of the PUG life
median tulip
I'm definitely not saying it's bad, but to get the most out of it you do not want to be pugging the key
Fair?
modern hearth
yea puggin with necro is gunna be bad
mighty valley
what do you guys think of doing keys as venthyr prot? cause I main fury
venthyr prot can get to 20 and beyond, it's been done! a little harder than nf or kyrian but the gap isn't that huge
ornate sky
There are few dps where matter is awful and ineffective during their cooldown. The coordination aspect is overplayed a little. You know when pug mage are combusting etc. 1200 mastery shared out is nothing to be trifled with wherever it falls during that duration
outer coral
venthyr prot can get to 20 and beyond, it's been done! a little harder than nf o...
wow nice then
ornate sky
If it was haste rating instead it is more than bloodlust gives etc. No class hates mastery that much but elem?
mighty valley
yeah, it's never bad, but the difference between using it normally and using it optimally is pretty big
mighty valley
it's fine but i can't really give up ravager
ornate sky
Ranged threat too
fickle timber
i started using dragon roar too
amazing to have the snap threat
been using booming
mighty valley
oof I love booming
fickle timber
i dont need booming with ravager, i save booming for tyrannial weeks
dragon roar on fort is delicious
mighty valley
? dragon roar is worse for aoe