Still waiting for an actually well formulated argument as to why you'd use it with some actual supporting evidence 🙂
#protection
chilly brook
fast thicket
Better but I raise you tusks of mannaroth.
median tulip
Still waiting for an actually well formulated argument as to why you'd use it wi...
We tried, you ignored it, so we lost interest
plush saffron
Still waiting for an actually well formulated argument as to why you'd use it wi...
All the points have been put forward by multiple people
plush saffron
And Brightlinger
median tulip
We literally did the math, but w/e
plush saffron
Remember when griff got the maths wrong
mighty valley
yes it's a very simple choice between higher total healing vs. bursts on demand, most people choose higher total
fast thicket
You guys may have done the math but you're ignoring the larger picture. You aren't going to get full value out of IV the overwhelming majority of the time. Indom is almost always better in general application. lol
So quit arguing pointless stuff.
chilly brook
It still doesn't add up
plush saffron
we're not saying to run IV, we were saying where it could be used
chilly brook
One has no opportunity cost, the other does
median tulip
You guys may have done the math but you're ignoring the larger picture. You aren...
and to reiterate, you won't get full value out of indom either
plush saffron
griffy boy is 3/10 as a tank and squirting his mouth
fast thicket
I mean I can spec as a healer on a prot pally too. That doesn't mean I should.
chilly brook
dropping 2-5% value isn't bad
fast thicket
This honestly feels like argument for the sake of it.
chilly brook
griffy boy is 3/10 as a tank and squirting his mouth
damn dude now we insulting prog
median tulip
also griff is persistently talking about raiding when the question was about M+
chilly brook
lemme see them logs bro
plush saffron
talk to griff about it, he keeps bringing it up
chilly brook
also griff is persistently talking about raiding when the question was about M+
I literally brought up dungeons tho....
Since you can double dip in dungeons with indom
plush saffron
then he switches to fury and gets a 15%er
fast thicket
I mean the simple matter of fact is that Indom is generally better. There are niche scenarios where IV may pull ahead--like I mentioned earlier--but indom is safe, easy, and generally provides good benefit (which is why we run it!)
plush saffron
This is what we have said Vad
chilly brook
then he switches to fury and gets a 15%er
share with the class
median tulip
Fuck it, Imma run IV with Reprisal all next week because I can
chilly brook
ok you do you
plush saffron
haha
chilly brook
Arguing for people to run less optimal talents though when there are other issues that likely need to be fixed isn't the play though
plush saffron
Haha griffy, no one was saying that. We were point out the positives it has
median tulip
No, it isn't
chilly brook
Simply because it has very specific circumstances for it to be good
median tulip
The overall healing is broadly the same
plush saffron
your conceptualisation is terrible
median tulip
and in M+ it's probably higher, if you get KBs
chilly brook
The overall healing is broadly the same
That's assuming full usage every CD which is unrealistic
chilly brook
and in M+ it's probably higher, if you get KBs
Again ignoring that you can double dip with VR and indom
If they're so close already
that alone would be more reason to not use IV
Since IV replaces VR
fast thicket
Guys. Just run Never Surrender. That's OBVIOUSLY the play. /s
median tulip
Guys. Just run Never Surrender. That's OBVIOUSLY the play. /s
Only on mega-magic-damage fights
chilly brook
And the context of the conversation is that the guy is new to playing
Trying to learn
Putting in niche abilities that have OPPORTUNITY COST over the one that you literally can't fuck up isn't the play
fast thicket
Especially considering the gain is minimal even with optimal play. lol
median tulip
I feel like I'm just having a conversation with an Eliza bot that's programmed to respond only with Icy Veins guide notes when I'm talking to you Griff, so I'm going to stop bothering now
plush saffron
griffy boy adheres to the doctrine put down without knowing why it is that way
chilly brook
I know exactly why it's that way
plush saffron
discussion is fine griffy, don't get your panties in a twist about it
median tulip
griffy boy adheres to the doctrine put down without knowing why it is that way
That's my impression, yes
chilly brook
The reality of keys doesn't line up with your fantasy world of IV
median tulip
So, on a different subject... does the increased Shield Block uptime from nuReprisal lessen the overall value of Haste when using that Legendary in Mythic+?
chilly brook
doubtful
floral pewter
The overall healing is broadly the same
Healers often have a choice between more total healing spread all over the place, or less healing exactly when you need it. The latter is often better, because healing isn't DPS. Padding the meters often just means sniping someone else.
floral pewter
Like, I agree Indom is better overall. But looking at total healing is barely relevant
chilly brook
Healers often have a choice between more total healing spread all over the place...
your job as a warrior tank isn't to have burst heals or healing in general
it's to be smooth and easy to heal
plush saffron
did you read that monkey story griffy?
chilly brook
Comparing how healers pick talents to how we do in a different role is kinda 
fast thicket
Again. The burst heals are SITUATIONALLY better but the overwhelming majority of the time Indom is better.
Why is this even a discussion?
plush saffron
because griffy doesn't go for those bananas without knowing why
chilly brook
The very simple breakdown of this is any time you sit on VR or use it and only get 15%-20% instead of the full 30% the value it holds is diminished greatly
fast thicket
True. IV is only good, again, if there is a lot of damage that lines up roughly with its CD... which is a rare scenario.
torpid hill
man I got enough stuff to deal with in keys, you want me to think about pressing another whole-ass button mid fight?
wanton egret
Hello!! I have one question, How i can look up how much dps I should be doing on m+? Hovering around 3K, but not sure if im Doing enough....
clever shuttle
Whats going to be best protection legendary next week? still the wall or the one getting buffed?
drifting glade
3k overall is okay from what i've seen
chilly brook
hai @jagged pier
median tulip
not much need for crit/mast
Hmmm. Maybe. Mastery increases attack power, and crit has obvious offensive utility but also defensively buffs parry. So if you're going for Reprisal with a view towards pushing your Revenge DPS (with Avatar, BSC etc), these become potentially more useful. Certainly not to the extent of completely omitting Haste, but I'm considering de-emphasising it somewhat and running tests on other stat balances with different jewellery options.
jagged pier
sup
jagged pier
Hello!! I have one question, How i can look up how much dps I should be doing on...
depends what u run i did 5k in a run yesterday but i would not recommend that build to ppl
drifting glade
depending on the dungeon/lego/affixes/your skill you can consistently go up to and above 3.5k
fast thicket
Running a meme build Jakey? xD
jagged pier
maybe a little
drifting glade
seismic good
wanton egret
Im talking about +15
jagged pier
im doing high 3s - low 4k in dungeons but im geared to the teeth
drifting glade
if you start running bsc/seismic/am that number will go up
wanton egret
Lol
drifting glade
i don't ever cast IP and my healers always yell at me
but that's just too bad because i've got swag
there's a happy medium somewhere
jagged pier
your very likely to die tho runing that build and your healer isnt ready
drifting glade
after the nerfs its pretty chill, yeah
even shitters like myself aren't having a hard time
from what I can tell
very keen to see what meme aoe builds can pull in overall when 9.05 drops
jagged pier
well i mean the standard will be to run AM and BSC on next week
drifting glade
i wonder if the increased emphasis on revenge damage means crit is better now
or maybe im just retarded and shouldnt ask stat questions
drifting glade
vaults gonna give me whatever the fuck it wants anyway so doesnt matter that much i suppose
median tulip
ahhh, the vault of disappointment
drifting glade
my guild hasnt even cleared heroic so its even worse
i have gotten double or triple duplicates on the m+ vault drops too many times
median tulip
my alt got offered all items he was already wearing, only lower ilvls last week
drifting glade
classic
median tulip
really made me feel that pugging those M+ was worthwhile, y'know
drifting glade
i was thinking about posting my cn logs here for somebody to look at but it probably wouldn't help
partially since I don't think my numbers are the issue and partially because heroic mechanics are pretty simple anyway
smoky wave
How far have you got to? We're working on council hc this week. It's a pretty snooze fight to tank
arctic heath
whats the go too talents for Prot in pure ST raid as in can i just run 3 2 2 1 2 2 1?
smoky wave
That's our issue on council
drifting glade
just started playing wow this expac so I can't micromanage other people's classes as effectively as i'd like
otherwise i'd be all over that shit
median tulip
whats the go too talents for Prot in pure ST raid as in can i just run 3 2 2 1 2...
For Raid with The Wall I run 31222x3
smoky wave
Heh you're doing well then. Been playing on and off since forever and half arsing raids now. I just cba to micromanage other people's stuff
median tulip
The x can be 1 or 3, depending how I feel
drifting glade
yeah, i raid in ffxiv relatively seriously so it was definitely a culture shock when my last guild told me not to optimize my tank damage
lavish hare
your job as a warrior tank isn't to have burst heals or healing in general
Not to mention that you are also using one GCD to it...
jagged pier
yeah, i raid in ffxiv relatively seriously so it was definitely a culture shock ...
eh? they wrong
drifting glade
yeah I fucking know they were wrong
but they're like "you're new, so you don't understand these things yet :)))))))))"
"just use more IP :))))))))))"
hence old guild
drifting glade
my healers were complaining on NORMAL inerva that the buster did too much damage and we needed to swap at one stack
but thats okay, nowadays I just get salty about raid dps being low
can't find enough good oce dps players to fill out the roster yet 😦
jagged pier
most casual fridays im top 5 dps in the run on prot 
drifting glade
it happens
I don't mind so much as long as people do the mechanics and we clear
not expecting our casual guild to all parse gold but for the love of god if you're hitting 10 greys in a night go look at your rotation
deft sapphire
Being alive the whole fight and parsing grey is a
drifting glade
i parse the highest percentile in our raids but I don't think it counts for much
since tank dps is braindead
deft sapphire
Tank parses are not the best metric lol
drifting glade
yeah
i try and compare myself to damage taken logs of other warriors in the same fight and I'm usually fine so not too worried about my mitigation planning
drifting glade
yeah, I'm still fiddling with slg
since he actually has a semi interesting block uptime pattern
keep getting jebaited in shield blocking a single auto
drifting glade
yeah
slg seems mostly scripted though
doesnt seem to matter what we push him to, mostly does the same stuff every time
median tulip
are you talking about Sludgefist or Stone Legion Generals?
median tulip
Right
tame jasper
First: Thank you for all your answers and the bright discussion
Second questionb: Can you suggest any m+ communites where ppl also go with warriors?
drifting glade
do people decline warrior tanks for pugs
tame jasper
I ttried to findf a grp yesterday via grp-finer but only got declinecs
When telling a friend
he just answer: well you are not meta
-_-
median tulip
do people decline warrior tanks for pugs
Some meta-slaves do.
tame jasper
But 15 in a row?
plush saffron
what was the IO of ppl leading the group?
drifting glade
yikes
tame jasper
1200 - 1500 (the keys were all 15)
plush saffron
are you 1100?
deft sapphire
It’s generally easier getting into pugs as a tank than a dps role but yeah prot warriors are not favoured
drifting glade
is there a quick way to show block % in logs
tame jasper
are you 1100?
1077
median tulip
TBH I don't really know about the PUG scene; I have a guild so rio scores are essentially meaningless to me
plush saffron
doubtful any 15 group will take you at 1077
tame jasper
My guild is very casual but are mostly guys from back then (classic etc) and the only 5-6 ppl have a fixed grp and are also meta-focused in terms of tanks
plush saffron
you need to build up your score
deft sapphire
@drifting glade iirc go to your damage taken and hover over melee hits and itll tell you block %
deft sapphire
very fight dependent
drifting glade
right, okay
i'm heyyaits on saurfang if you feel like critiquing some of my logs
i don't really know where to start
deft sapphire
something like sludgefist has quite high downtime with his casts and running out
so you should have very high block %
drifting glade
yeah, that makes sense
chilly brook
what's a good %?
in raid usually 70% is obtainable
obviously fight dependent
but if you do the dance and learn where to press it and where pressing it is a trap you can get good blocked %
chilly brook
i'm heyyaits on saurfang if you feel like critiquing some of my logs
Any specific fights you're thinking of?
deft sapphire
the thing with inerva is a shitload of the tank damage is the dot
drifting glade
that's pretty much the only fight that I feel like I'm too squishy
maybe hungering as well, sometimes he kills one of the tanks and that's pretty much just autps
everything else feels fine
well, apart from sludge, but still progging that one
chilly brook
So inerva your blocked hits seem a little low
chilly brook
Her autos
Granted my kill time is about 15 seconds faster and ~20 less autos but I have 73% blocked
drifting glade
that is a significant amount more
I think the plan was that I save a shield block charge for her dot application
but if i'm losing casts that's definitely not worth it
chilly brook
your regular casts are looking good i.e. high prio on shield slam etc.
You could probably fit one more cast of avatar in
smoky wave
.where do I find blocked hits again? Forgotten
chilly brook
I have 7 in a 4:29 and you have 6 in a 4:44
chilly brook
.where do I find blocked hits again? Forgotten
damage taken then mouse over "hits" on melee
drifting glade
might be a sign that i'm overcapping rage
plush saffron
you can block hits without shield block up though so its not accurate
tame jasper
Is there an addon which writes the logs automatically when start an m+ or start a boss fight in a raid?(to then be uploaded)
chilly brook
but nothing is sticking out from a quick glance @drifting glade other than the blocks
smoky wave
damage taken then mouse over "hits" on melee
On my phone, no wonder I can't find it.
drifting glade
thanks @chilly brook
appreciate that
i had suspected that my shield block uptime needed some work on some of those fight
s
I get distracted doing callouts
chilly brook
I have like 3 more casts of shield block in the 15 second shorter fight
so that's probably the difference in blocked hits
drifting glade
so ~5 casts?
chilly brook
Probably
drifting glade
yeh alright
jagged pier
we be spreading the good word today 🙏
tame jasper
🙂
tidal forge
Hey dudes. Just got my soul ash for the first leggo. Should i craft it now or wait next wednesday for the patch? You guys think the Wall leggo is the way to go for prot tanking?
plush saffron
reprisal for both
strong forum
there seems to be indication that it might be biggest dmg in raid aswell 👀
terse hinge
we be spreading the good word today 🙏
❤️
jagged pier
always have to spread the good word
terse hinge
closed together my first 17s so 😄
jagged pier
yer wasnt a bad run tbh gotta work on the 4 more i still have to do
tidal forge
Reprisal it is. Ty lads
trim bay
what covenant are we all going come patch day?
mystic zodiac
there seems to be indication that it might be biggest dmg in raid aswell 👀
How should we be using it in a raid setting tho? Intervene the cotank on cd?
jagged pier
what covenant are we all going come patch day?
plush saffron
lots of opportunity to charge and intervene
trim bay
😮 sorry >.< @jagged pier
strong forum
How should we be using it in a raid setting tho? Intervene the cotank on cd?
i mean, you will also have melee players next to you
smoky wave
How should we be using it in a raid setting tho? Intervene the cotank on cd?
Especially on sludge. 😘
mystic zodiac
Thats true. Havent raided with my warr yet as he's undergeared for mythic. Hoping i can snag some pieces on reclearing heroic monday
mystic zodiac
Especially on sludge. 😘
Good point
dull fossil
what covenant are we all going come patch day?
staying Night Fae because gtfo meta 😛
hearty quartz
Is prot warrior good to find raids?
light rover
Swapping to Alliance soon, how useful is the Dark Iron Dwarf cleanse? Are there many Nathria abilities it doesn't work on?
spring anchor
hey guys
wanted to doublecheck - is anyone going to switch covenant with the upcoming changes in mind ?
solid granite
Is prot warrior good to find raids?
Since warrior dps has to compete with UH DK's, a lot of guilds will only bring* 1 warrior to the raid for Battleshout. And Prot warrior is the go-to choice
jagged pier
explains better than ppl saying yes
hearty quartz
Since warrior dps has to compete with UH DK's, a lot of guilds will only bring* ...
Cool! And.. The legendary, I saw that one is better for My+ and other for raid. If doing boths, what I Know wich one to usé?
sand condor
The wall is just solid
It helps a lot
I feel like a big man warrior
After tanking keys again
Today is the day i tank a 19
solid granite
All Prot warri's are big men ❤️
sand condor
Aye
Feels good to embrace prot once more
This new guild values me
We have a tank who’s litterally playing from na
They’re legit considering me tanking the last 3 bosses and it makes me happy
broken cedar
Keen to see how high prot pushes the rest of this season. Sick of all the dhs!
sand condor
You and me both
I think with tge reprisal buff
And our slightly buffed dps
We become a competitive tank again
wild pecan
Is there any player of war prot in rbg here?
solar crown
Ask in #223972896219856896 :) probably some
I still think DH is gonna be over-represented in m+ in the beginning, but things will look better for prot
woeful harbor
What is Vetter next week unstoppable Force With the new 10% extra thunderclap dmg or ravager
Better i mean
strong forum
this was with seismic reverb, keep that in mind
solar crown
Ah, ok, mb :)
sweet summit
he's working on the implementation of reprisal. so soon ™️ we will know
woeful harbor
What is bsc ?
sweet summit
best served cold
woeful harbor
Ok uf and ravager is Same Strong But
The new playstyle with reprisal Go Jump out and charge in to become the leggy proc ist netter to Uwe ravager because you Must Jump out and you Fan Not Spamming thunderclap Right ?
strong forum
playing UF is also less rage than ravager
and the playstyle doesnt really match well with using revenges
sweet summit
^
strong forum
go play UF and youll find yourself not finding enough globals to use revenge + TC + SS
so you end up skipping Revenge casts
lofty widget
is revenge still more dmg than tc even with the buffs?
woeful harbor
even moreso since youre gonna be playing BSC anyway with reprisal
You think uf is better ? With tc Spamming to became i Little Bit More Rage ?
woeful harbor
And More dmg?
strong forum
roughly same damage
woeful harbor
Ok also ravager is Little Bit better
lofty widget
whats the argument for switching BV? no need for the extra rage?
sweet summit
ya
strong forum
and reprisal granting Revenge!
woeful harbor
Jop
strong forum
which means more +50% dmg revenges through bsc
strong forum
i havent tested it, but if it wouldnt whats the fucking point
i would be severely surprised if it didnt work
woeful harbor
One day we habe 2 leggy and seismic and reprisal its monster big
woeful harbor
One day we habe 2 leggy and seismic and reprisal its monster big
Have
woeful harbor
which means more +50% dmg revenges through bsc
I Must trained now because i Play Momently with uf and next week i will Play with ravager i think uf ist a Little Bit better to became Aggro But i will Play ravager
strong forum
UF was very bad
solar crown
Ravager is super nice tbh. You put it down and bathe in rage
woeful harbor
Yes
sand condor
yes please
sand condor
i love how they called it "fucking trash"
sweet summit
cos it is 
zealous wyvern
are the necrolord changes looking like they're big enough to consider as prot?
sand condor
Your boomies would like to have a word with you
nimble sky
Fleshcraft buff is big too
halcyon trench
Spear of Bastion usually is my top 2-3 damage in a dungeon. Lose it will be hard for my overall ego
:(
wooden radish
@ionic fern thoughts on indom vs. impending?
zealous wyvern
Yeah it seems Big if you can slap it on a boomy for every convoke
vocal nimbus
i guess night fae is the choice if im gonna play both fury and prot right?
flint vector
i think either nf or kyrian would be fine for both
i do m+ 90% of the time when i play my warrior so i went with nf
sweet summit
4% dps from dying pog
marsh musk
got to perish for those natty gains
astral crystal
lol
hollow yacht
Morning. I've coming back to warrior after a few years away. Gear isn't top notch yet but I don't seem to get as many procs of revenge as I used to and I can feel rage starved running devastator. Is this normal?
stray gazelle
Yeah the play style is a bit slow atm can be rage starved until you get more haste
hollow yacht
So that's normal then. I keep hard casting revenge and I don't have enough uptime on IP.
I guess I should just slow my ass down 😄
open monolith
wait did I read someone say we're actually going to use best served cold?
median tulip
Morning. I've coming back to warrior after a few years away. Gear isn't top notc...
They nerfed the Revenge proc rate at the end of BfA; instead of proccing on every dodge/parry, it's now normalised to 1.4pppm
stray gazelle
It’s not that bad to spam revenge with our rage as it’s our best dmg for 3+ targets ignore pain isn’t the best and shield block is a must for mitigation
open monolith
I guess that makes sense... no more thunderlord... tons more rage so BV isn't as necessary..
median tulip
wait did I read someone say we're actually going to use best served cold?
With the changes to the Reprisal legendary in 9.0.5, yes
red tree
So for m+ consensus is reprisal after patch? I am currently 225 thunderlord
stray gazelle
So for m+ consensus is reprisal after patch? I am currently 225 thunderlord
I’d craft a 190 reprisal and test it out if you like it
But it’s really good rn cause we got a boost of uptime of shield block
median tulip
Best in mind that the buffs to Thunderclap do also increase the value of the Thunderlord Legendary
open monolith
I mean
does it?
you're going to be pressing Thunderclap regardless of whether or not you're using Thunderlord.
soo I don't see how that increases the value of TL at all
amber siren
I’m guessing it might move up in the order in the rotation for ST? But even if that’s true it’s not a huge impact in terms of timing
sweet summit
the prio stays the same
amber siren
Then yeah /shrug
prisma bear
whats final talent row yall reckon with reprisal? in m+
sweet summit
am
prisma bear
same in raid too?
open monolith
I think the only case for using Bolster one can make in the raid is MAYBE Denathrius
but I usually run AM for everything in the raid
(I'm also a filthy heroic casual who can't beat the roster boss to try mythic so grain of salt)
prisma bear
as necrolord with emeni i would reaally love for avatar to just reliably be up for every single banner but if i must sigh ill run it i guess
sweet summit
you dont play reprisal in raid
open monolith
I didn't think he was implying using reprisal in raid, I read it just as "we also use AM in raid"
though someone was definitely trying to convince everyone to use reprisal in raid yesterday
prisma bear
mwahi did say to use reprisal for "any meaningful content" i thought that included raid
proper wharf
im sorry but I think im missing the point, why reprisal over the wall?
median tulip
I personally will be sticking with The Wall in Raids
You don't really need more SB uptime on most Raid fights, because of the tank switching mechanics
sweet summit
yep ^
median tulip
Obviously y'all are adults, but from my perspective Reprisal doesn't seem to fit for Raid tanking
round raptor
when offtaking, isn't still useful if you leap away, or intervene the other tank in cooldown? even if its for more damage?
prisma bear
ya
round raptor
it does give 20 rage and "Revenge!"
sweet summit
its not worth it over the wall
open monolith
@prisma bear
from the pins:
Reprisal is still good (even after the nerf) and will most likely be the go-to for most Mythic+ dungeons. The Wall remains a solid secondary option and might even be the preferable option in some magic heavy dungeons like DoS.
For raids you would still be looking to run The Wall in general unless there are fights that fit Reprisal.
and that is from Mwahi
round raptor
Denathrius itself have alot of room for some charges
median tulip
remember that in a Raid group, your personal DPS is really insignificant, because there are more DPS, and Reprisal giving you free Revenge procs isn't much of a help because most boss fights are single-target
round raptor
do we have any data on how muich dps gain is compared to the wall?
sweet summit
not yet
ionic fern
do we have any data on how muich dps gain is compared to the wall?
Hopefully i will finish it by tonight.
remote tusk
Legs or Feet Repisal?
astral crystal
do higher keys give her chance for rewnown?
open monolith
....personal DPS is never irrelevant
what kind of advice is that
????
Zetakya with the hot takes today
round raptor
remember that in a Raid group, your personal DPS is really insignificant, becaus...
Kinda disagree here, its not about the raid group, its more about how much survivability you need. you start going for Damage when more survival becomes trivial due to watever reasons.
round raptor
Hopefully i will finish it by tonight.
appreciate man, doing the god's work.
median tulip
Kinda disagree here, its not about the raid group, its more about how much survi...
Making Raid decisions based on trivial Raid tiers is like making M+ decisions based on how it works in Heroic dungeons
open monolith
......that doesn't make any sense or have anything to do with what he said to you
median tulip
of course it makes sense. If the content is trivial, do whatever. Hell, I can solo tank normal Shriekwing at this point. Discussions over optimisation are always going to be based on the premise that you are pushing challenging content. If it's trivial, it's irrelevant.
open monolith
Okay, but this was all in response to your original statement of "personal DPS is largely irrelevant"
which is literally never true
median tulip
In raids it really is; Raiding as an environment has a lot more DPS, so your personal contribution is a much smaller % of the whole. Raiding pushes much more specialisation onto a character than M+ does. This (fundamentally) is why Warrior throughout SL to date has been fine in Raids, but percieved as weak in M+.
round raptor
of course it makes sense. If the content is trivial, do whatever. Hell, I can so...
i meant "more survival becoming trivial", if you have enough to survive the Encounter, in whichever difficult, anything more is going to be "wasted". if you can trade some of that for extra damage, then thats a good move.
open monolith
.....no. Even if your overall damage is a smaller %, that doesn't ever mean it is irrelevant.
Like, you're just wrong.
median tulip
No, I'm not
round raptor
Also, didn't you ever experienced a 0% wipe frustration?
open monolith
Ever wipe on a boss sub 1%? If you were gray parsing that entire time, a purple parsing same-class tank would have gotten the kill
Personal DPS is literally never irrelevant
sweet summit
just play better 4head
i know it sounds toxic but 🤷♂️
open monolith
You have 2 applicants to your guild. Both prot warriors. One consistently parses 90-98%, the other 20-25%. Both know the mechanics, both have the same gear, both survive every fight.
Which do you recruit?
If the answer is obvious, then personal DPS does, in fact, matter.
median tulip
The one that is also going to survive pushing into the progression on the next tier because he focuses on his job (defense) not attack
round raptor
i belive its quite controvesial to say "its a raid group, my personal doesn't matter." then saying "i'm doing my personal job at tanking and surviving, fuck the dps there are people to do that".
sudden current
as necrolord with emeni i would reaally love for avatar to just reliably be up f...
with AM isnt it possible?
open monolith
You talk like it's not possible to both care about your personal DPS and maximize that as well as survive all the encounters and do mechanics.
like, lol
whatever. pointless conversation.
median tulip
You talk like it's not possible to both care about your personal DPS and maximiz...
If you are pushing into challenging content, that is exactly the trade-off you are making. And in terms of a choice between Reprisal and The Wall in Raiding, that's the point.
open monolith
you literally don't have to make that trade off
????????????????
just play better and do both LOL
round raptor
If you are pushing into challenging content, that is exactly the trade-off you a...
what if you are pushing content, but Survival is pretty fine, but you are wiping due to Enrage timers and lack of DPS. Then the tradeof of Dps for Survival would make the kill.
median tulip
The Wall is still the superior defensive option in Raid
round raptor
lol
median tulip
You are missijng the point and are agressively refusing to listen; I'm done with bothering to explain to you
round raptor
i feel i've been baited
open monolith
I am not missing any point at all.
Do you think there is a single hall of fame mythic guild who told their tanks "hey man, don't stress about doing the most DPS you can, just like... survive, you know?"
bah. I'm getting baited. I'm for real done this time
lol I need a break
round raptor
The Wall is still the superior defensive option in Raid
Well, no point arguing with The Wall.
sudden current
is signet viable if i can only make one leggo and want to ofspec till next week?
round raptor
sorry i needed to do that pun.
sweet summit
signet is good for damage i guess
median tulip
is signet viable if i can only make one leggo and want to ofspec till next week?
Do you enjoy randomly triggering Bladestorm while tanking?
round raptor
is signet viable if i can only make one leggo and want to ofspec till next week?
its ok for damage, but The Wall is better because of extra rage regeneration, which makes for extra revenges making it pretty much on the same level of damage output
but defensively is pretty much useless.
sudden current
but the wall is prot only right?
round raptor
yes
median tulip
Just because you can use Signet of Tormented Kings with Protection, doesn't mean that you should.
sudden current
its harmful?
round raptor
just keep a cancel bladestorm macro ready
just in case you are spinning in the wrong time
and you will be fine
open monolith
you can still use defensives during bladestorm at least
only bad if you need to leap the fuck out
round raptor
^ this
median tulip
it blocks pummel as well IIRC
round raptor
Also, keep in mind that Ravager sadly doesn't proc signet for prot.
midnight marsh
Well, no point arguing with The Wall.
hahahaha
sudden current
thx for the input guys
golden fern
is 18-19% uptime on demoralizing shout with TL good?
open monolith
in AOE in m+? no that's pretty bad
on a single target? yeah that's probably pretty normal
but also TL on a single target (raid) is a meme
midnight marsh
TL?
open monolith
Thunderlord
midnight marsh
kk ty
median tulip
is 18-19% uptime on demoralizing shout with TL good?
Your base use-it-on CD uptime with no Thunderlord is 17.77%
median tulip
In multi-target, yes. You can hit 50%+ in Avatar phases
if you're using UF, that is
golden fern
I'm probably not paying attention to it after using it once on a pack
maybe can use it twice in one pack depending on the size
open monolith
you should pretty much be pressing that with priority above anything else (if it won't cap your rage)
the amount of rage it gives you is insane, and it is a damage amp & mitigation tool
so that is definitely one area to improve significantly (this priority goes down if you're not using Booming Voice)
median tulip
I just did a quick test on some target dummies and got 60% uptime
That's with Avatar & UF ofc
But yeah, hammer that Demo Shout button, it's a ton of Rage and survivability
I got 39% over the course of one Avatar plus it's cooldown cycle
astral crystal
Do you think there is a single hall of fame mythic guild who told their tanks "h...
well, to be fair
prot warr in world first nathria
:^)
limp dickin'
signal plover
awww i missed some spice
sudden current
m+ stats for leggos same as for raid?
quick pecan
Regardless if they are, what legendary would you be using for both content types? Not being a smartass as I’m actually curious why you’d be asking the question.
forest fern
if you had to pick only one to share between both content i assume probably the wall
modern brook
Reprisal op in st if venthyr still imo
forest fern
well yeah i meant now in 4 days it may be reprisal
forest fern
i mean what are you focusing on, dps or tanking
if you want 1 single all rounder leggo, even in 4 days with reprisal change its potentially still going to be the wall, cause flat rage increase is kinda a big deal for an "all rounder" type situation
modern brook
I mean they both give flat rage
forest fern
that being said reprisal will be pretty all rounder also
arctic wasp
thing is with reprisal you need to move alot and in some raid strats moving the boss too much can be annoying 😛
but i guess we will see once put in practice
forest fern
i would argue given how shitty ignore pain is though, if its defensive value the block uptime from reprisal will beat out the wall in that regard. Faster shield wall is nice but its harder to make good use of it especially in a raiding scenario
with reprisal its all going to be about using the max stack uptime on shield block. I don't know what it is now but i think in bfa it was like 21seconds or something for shield block. So you can potentially have a lot of time to think about the right moment to use it without awkwardly moving a mob around, which is more a raid problem.
Bosses casting would be the perfect time to do that for example, and when the times you can't are there, intervene the offtank, or the nearest rogue etc if the tanks are separated
golden fern
I just did a quick test on some target dummies and got 60% uptime
I meant overall. Not only on certain packs
for the whole dungeon
The uptime of demo shout
forest fern
really kinda depends how fast stuff is dying and how much pull downtime your group has
midnight jetty
thunderclap got a buff right for 9.0.5?
median tulip
What Mickeyjay just said
forest fern
yes, 20%
midnight jetty
would it be worth using unstoppable force then with it?
forest fern
well i think, 10% all abilites and an extra 10 on just TC i think they said
median tulip
thunderclap got a buff right for 9.0.5?
Yes. 10% over and above the 10% we got to everything
It's actually 21% more in total, because math
forest fern
ya, i mean its still a lower damaging ability compared to everything else but its worth its rage gen much more now thankfully
its funny i think they had this exact same problem with it back in like legion at one point, worth of usage was way down, ironic
prisma bear
what determines how much damage a block reduces the damage by? the numbers on the char sheet seem random but dont change when i remove gear
astral crystal
shield
prisma bear
ahh thank you that makes sense
glossy needle
thinking of changing to venthyr for pvp purposes, how garbage is it for m+ as a prot warrior?
sweet summit
shield ilvl and content type
verbal rapids
Alot of back and forth here.... What's going to be the ideal build for raid and ideal for m+?
sweet summit
thats about as far as the pros go
nothing changes for raid (except u might go necro)
for m+ check the pins
glossy needle
its so fucking lazy that they just made the same ability for tank and damage
does condem even add anything defensively?
glossy needle
so its kind of like a weaker ignore pain?
sweet summit
yeah
but its a full absorb
compared to the 50% from IP
so on ST you just replace IP with condemn
glossy needle
interesting, I already struggle a bit to stay alive in 208 ilvl in 14s and 15s
its basically useless on trash packs
sweet summit
kinda yeah
can be used for prio damage 📈
but overall its the weakest covenant for m+ imo
glossy needle
just the usual balance with a blizzard touch
open monolith
you should definitely be staying alive easily in 208 ilvl in 14s and 15s. Just gotta change your mindset a bit.
sweet summit
🤷♂️
open monolith
SL punishes actual tanking. Gotta kite a lot more often
glossy needle
you should definitely be staying alive easily in 208 ilvl in 14s and 15s. Just g...
i have 2 other tank classes, I meant comperatively
not meaning that im dying on every pull or anything like that
open monolith
Warr does take a lot more attention to stay alive than, say, BRM or Guardian. This is true.
forest fern
kiting would be nice if we had some better ranged aoe 🙂
sweet summit
ravager 👀
glossy needle
idk if its even an "attention" thing, just a lack of toolkit
open monolith
Kiting isn't fun, period. It should only be done for specific mechanics.
forest fern
not often enough imo
modern brook
I'm tired of not saying it
Kitings been dead for a month in anything lower than a 16
open monolith
depending on your ilvl
modern brook
No
arctic wasp
is there something i can do if my pug team dont interrupt at all in the 1st 2 pulls of DOS ??, i always die there and get blame for "bad tanking" but then i see and no one interrupt anything, playing those pulls with my dk able me to heal through that dmg but with the pwarr i'm enterly up to thehealer if thats happen, any tips :/?, i tried kiting but the spells still kills me (this starts happening from 17+)
open monolith
yes
forest fern
and your healer
open monolith
go walk into a 15 with 190 ilvl and tell me you literally never need to kite.
sand condor
is there something i can do if my pug team dont interrupt at all in the 1st 2 pu...
Leace
Leave*
modern brook
I'm literally 205 and have no problem face tabking double pulls in 15w
sweet summit
try to hold sw for the 2nd pull
get in get aggro and get out
those two packs
FUCK
glossy needle
Kitings been dead for a month in anything lower than a 16
I wouldve loved to put you in on a +15 i just did in 208 ilvl with a monk healer
I was out of cds and zero options left but to run several times
so thats a rough statement there
modern brook
shrug do better
arctic wasp
try to hold sw for the 2nd pull
that'0s also something, 1st pull always die fast and easy since lust and all cds but second pull i ran out of cds and the pull still there xD
timber nest
99% of the time a tank death an be fixed with better play
sweet summit
^
first pull dies fast cos everyone uses CDs
so you wanna hold some of your defensives
sweet summit
just using ravager/ds/ls on first
ravager/ds is usually up by 2nd
and SW is ready
arctic wasp
i see, should i hold sw a bit into second pull ?
signal plover
I usually save a healer external for 2nd pull
arctic wasp
since at start we can fear and stun interrupt some castings
signal plover
Then just focus on kicking shadowcore
arctic wasp
so is shadowcore the dangeoures one ? i've noticed that too but wasnt sure
sweet summit
all casts are xd
arctic wasp
that's the big guy cast right ?
sweet summit
ye
arctic wasp
oh ok xD
signal plover
All casts are but kicking shadowcore reduces the spike dam greatly
arctic wasp
yeah =/
it sucks
thanks for the tips guys i'll see how it goes
dont want to die in that shit anymore
i'm tired of it haha
verbal rapids
So we giving up on kyrian for Necro?
forest fern
i don't think that is necessary
spear of bastion is still a very big deal in your toolkit if you know how to use it well 🙂
verbal rapids
I find it super useful with kiting
And when I do play dps it helps out the tank
I take a major dps loss on ST but for M+ it seems great
tame jasper
that'0s also something, 1st pull always die fast and easy since lust and all cds...
You lust on the first pull in De Other Side?
forest fern
i mean we have shitty ranged aoe dps. its one of the most powerful forms of it so that alone makes it pretty useful
sudden current
can someone explain me something plz im a warr total noob: the signet anima power's bladestorm proc duration is the same as the legendary? cause im doing torg in prot spec and the bladestorm lasts so long
verbal rapids
I wouldn't use signet
forest fern
is it scaled in torghast with the duration of avatar, since its proccing off it
flint roost
Theres something else happening there. If specced right you can have bladestorm up half the time in torghast
But its not a priority imo
strong forum
can someone explain me something plz im a warr total noob: the signet anima powe...
no clue ive always skipped it cuz its shit
the bladestorm fucks us up so much in big pulls
and is a dps loss in torghast
verbal rapids
Tuesday buffs make us more playable ditch the stigma? I considered hard switch to dps but this patch seems like I should hold out
strong forum
publicly our perception has been rising slowly
this patch will have people talk alot about us and how good pwar will be, some are even overhyping us for some reason
dense flame
For pushing is scale and kaelthas trinket our best defensive trinkets?
Or do we not get as much value from a cheat as DH do
strong forum
id say scale + anima emitter, but if youre giga high kaelthas seems to be popular
we dont get REMOTELY as much value as VDH do, cuz we dont randomly drop
cuz dh can die even through spikes
but dying through shieldblock takes alot more
im personally not a fan of cheat death trinkets, so im also biased
dense flame
Legit. Understandable. Thanks!
icy veldt
New to tanking , is reprisal > thunderlord for m+?
dense flame
Will be Tuesday.
icy veldt
Cool cool 🔥
verbal rapids
The wall is better raid still IMO
sick sentinel
Id say playing reprisal in raid
Will make your RL and melees fkn dispite you
Moving boss a bit too far bcs u leap out and charfe in
Big oof if u walk out of ground abilities
verbal rapids
Reprisal could really f up positioning
I imagine if done correctly you could intervene and then charge back to boss, but as non-active off tank
glossy needle
imagine how much better the game would be if instead of this bullshit covenant system every spec just got a new impactful ability that actually fits the spec
zenith barn
woah
@sick sentinel thats where you just have a raid ike min and only have 1 melee dps
strong forum
I mean... You just don't fuck up the raid just to get your block up
That's kinda
You'd play reprisal for dmg
Intervene when actively tanking
Charge when not
Or when the boss is casting and stand still, then you could walk out of range real quick
Or heroic leap out and charge in
That's often very quick
scenic reef
Is the necrolord way to go next week? I have played dps with venthyr and got promoted to main tank in our mythic raid progress recently, didn't want to swap to kyrian because I left them for venthyr in the first place and now im wondering which one to change since venthyr apart from nadja is kinda fucking disgusting for prot IMO. How is necro soulbinds for prot?
astral crystal
reprisal in raids seems like inting to me
strong forum
there might be some good dmg increase coming with it atticus, 👀
zenith barn
@scenic reef looks at pins for the short on necro
sick sentinel
I think where necro will shine is legit raid tbh like giving 400 maatery to 2 boomies who has CA and convoke up
clear ruin
The spear is great rage generation for more defensives and the myriad lot is great for fights with bleeds.
Necro is tempting for me too just cause I want to try something different. But I’m personally waiting for what people say after it goes live.
The flesh craft shield is what really catches my eye. I would love an extra 20% dr ability for some big hits like rip soul or the smash from hungering
Also a 40% health shield
And it can be used every 2 mins
And the banner ability gives you mastery wish is added dmg mitigation too and if you can make it so you are grouped with a mastery class it’s a dps boost
scenic reef
@zenith barn oh yea, thanks, didnt notice those
flint roost
oh this all coming tuesday??
scenic reef
But yea I am really greedy also for pairing it up with couple insane boomies we have in raid, those full moons will be going through the roof
clear ruin
It’s also a nice cov if you offspec as fury dps.
Like.... 400 mastery is a lot
But I’m not ready to be on the hype train and be among the fist to switch. Gonna see what people are saying in 2 weeks
flint roost
reprisal looks fun but im not a big m+ player...still maybe it will make m+ more interesting
sick sentinel
Gonna end up swapping later on to max out NF at some point aswell
clear ruin
Damn padding 😂
sick sentinel
Spammed hcs until i reached 19 then i did lfr and
analog lantern
It speaks to the popularity / state of Prot warriors atm that:
- I'm on one of the big, populated servers (TarrenMill-EU)
- I haven't even timed all of the M+ on 18s
Yet I'm ranked #1 for prot warriors on TM. WTF
Meanwhile #1 tanks are doing like 25s 26s lol
arctic wasp
not sure, maybe magic dmg oneshotting u ? i dont know honestly i'm just at 1.4 ehhe
cerulean tree
Biggest problem is holding aggro in higher keys 😅
jagged pier
It speaks to the popularity / state of Prot warriors atm that:
1) I'm on one of ...
oh im in that picture
strong forum
It speaks to the popularity / state of Prot warriors atm that:
1) I'm on one of ...
yes nobody is pushing
jagged pier
im higher now tho
strong forum
there are like 3 people
maybe 2 that push
vs the 800 vdhs that push
or however many there are now
analog lantern
@jagged pier gonna git u!
arctic wasp
that's also true
strong forum
its alot more apparently
jagged pier
<@!179993058186625025> gonna git u!
probably i dont push
analog lantern
come on! Come get me then I get more motivation to push! Up the prot warr!
analog lantern
feels bad man
cerulean tree
😂
analog lantern
because of frivolous emotional attachments to warriors and wanting them to do well ^^
glossy needle
prot warr has no toolkit, unless we are the tankiest tank or the highest dps tank nobody will every play prot in m+
pretty sure
clear ruin
Yeah I like prot for what I do. I don’t really want keys beyond ksm tbh
strong forum
prot is good, just not popular 🤷♂️
cerulean tree
They gonna be better now with necro rework
sweet summit
wdym no toolkit
cerulean tree
They gonna have a huge cd for tyranical weeks
analog lantern
lol
sweet summit
no we're not gonna play UW
floral pewter
prot warr has no toolkit, unless we are the tankiest tank or the highest dps tan...
ah yes, that's why VDH is so unpopular in keys, not the tankiest and not the highest DPS either
glossy needle
and they also have a superior toolkit to use, doesnt disprove what I said
clear ruin
Isn’t vdh the best dmg mitigation of all the tanks?
cerulean tree
But toolkits are good on both sides
glossy needle
whats good about prot warr toolkit? shittiest aoe stun in the game?
analog lantern
I'm a fucking potato, my gear could be better, but I feel I can keep pushing into 18s 19s 20s so why don't more prot warrs?
cerulean tree
Exactly
strong forum
idk how thats shitty
jagged pier
nah Nome we have nothing
cerulean tree
Ur getting
floral pewter
Isn’t vdh the best dmg mitigation of all the tanks?
what? no
shrewd elm
Will the necro and dmg buff change the tank tierlist you think? Like compared to a bear
glossy needle
interevene, raid cd, battleshout, instant fear, aoe and st stun on short CD
out of those which one realistically is useful in m+
cerulean tree
The STRONGEST party dmg buff in the game
In a couple of days
With the new necro banner
analog lantern
yup
floral pewter
whats good about prot warr toolkit? shittiest aoe stun in the game?
possibly the strongest active mitigation out of all tanks, a 1-minute shield wall, excellent mobility
cerulean tree
Imagine placing that bad boy next to 2 mad boomies
dapper coral
I don't like it, so it's not good
clear ruin
Also if you are tauren or moose you got another stun
north valve
Imagine placing it next to fire mags and boomy lol
floral pewter
I suspect that prot warrior being the least favorite has a lot to do with us being the lowest-damage tank
strong forum
pwar has the (almost) same toolkit as in bfa and it was considered OP, and now all of a sudden pwar has a shitty toolkit and vdh has a good one
very weird mindset
floral pewter
like yes execution and etc, but you just can't clear a key without the dps to kill stuff in time
clear ruin
Shield reflect is nice too
analog lantern
yeah at least TC is being buffed now
strong forum
well so is VDH in push keys
cerulean tree
Did gimp the class
shrewd elm
I managed to get to lvl 13 but felt hard to get aoe agro xD got discouraged jumped back on my bear. But i so much want to do well as a pwar. Is it hard to stay alive?
strong forum
VDH is capped to 5 targets aswell with their actual dmg abilities and their elysian decree performs the same way spear tc and revenge do
cerulean tree
Ye but their abilities deal 3 times more dmg
analog lantern
ravager + TC spam, maybe revenge, tab target to shield block any mobs you lose aggro of
strong forum
yes
analog lantern
git gud?
north valve
Yeah but VDH has immolation aura which is uncapped and does majority of AoE damage
strong forum
yes VDH does more damage, not denying that
hence why we're getting a dmg buff
this is nothing new people
ya'all gotta keep in mind, with playing reprisal we will also get quite a bit more dmg through playing AM
clear ruin
I haven’t had Agro issues but I’m only a 14 keyer with one 15 times
cerulean tree
U will have aggro issues higher
jagged pier
i mean in my 17s and 18s today i had none
clear ruin
Not trying to go higher beyond 15 lol so I’m good
strong forum
we will also get more dmg through playing BSC, but i myself have never had aggro issues even with a firemage openeing with their 60k opener
so idk man
thats a
from me
north valve
My prot set only has a 158 Ilvl weapon and I’m losing Aggro in 8 keys
strong forum
only issues arise is when you have to kite instantly for some reason
which is just a bad play on your part
or if you dont have your shit ready when a mage does
on a fresh pull
cerulean tree
Issues arise when u have ppl used to vengance dh who open before letting u get aggro haha
Not saying its always
Ut its just a bit harder
cerulean tree
Like i dont get why they dont reduce cd on the aoe taunt
strong forum
but again, better days ahead
strong forum
dw, im certain pwar dmg will be decently nutty in m+ starting next week 😉
jagged pier
cerulean tree
Ye lets see
Im not a longtime p warr player, swtiched for my guikd cuz we wanted a warr tank for mythic progression
And just kinda sad im not having an easy time pushing keys as some of my fellow dh friends lul
sterile moss
cerulean tree
U reckon the wall is still gonna be bis for raiding?
strong forum
its going to be up there
simple furnace
Prot getting some big buffs in 9.0.5 youll be great soon enough
rose quartz
Anyone think, changing to one of the new legendarys will be good? Or is rage bonus still to important?
jagged pier
rose quartz
Honor friend.
outer solstice
open monolith
so is the reason BSC is going up in value pretty much just: TL makes BV less valuable, more guaranteed REVENGE!, more revenge use in general due to free mitigation and rage?
lavish oracle
Yeah, the massive amounts of free rage economy makes it so you don't need BV
open monolith
I figured, just wanted to verify that my head was in the right place
now this is a stupid question
BSC is worded as: or 50% more damage when your successful dodges or parries have made it cost no Rage.
now, Reprisal doesn't come from a dodge or parry....
sweet summit
ya i think it does
open monolith
but im assuming it still applies
lavish oracle
The Revenge proc counts
open monolith
because it really is just referencing "REVENGE!" and doesn't care how you got it
sweet summit
tooltips are bad
more news at 7
strong forum
breaking news
||@sweet summit is cute||
sweet summit
😳
open monolith
simp
brittle owl
🤯
ionic fern
lavish oracle
Man, 9.0.5 coming out next week kinda killed my motivation to run keys this week
tame jasper
Man, 9.0.5 coming out next week kinda killed my motivation to run keys this week
The metathinking of random-grps kills my motivation ^^
sick sentinel
How is prot looking with the changes, how do you guys think it will shape up?
open monolith
the valor point system / costs has killed my motiviation to... continue playing WoW, honestly.
lavish oracle
The costs aren't that bad
open monolith
why is there a 1500 maximum bag limit? Why can't we upgrade old gear?
What if I get 1500 cap in my bags but then never get a drop that I want to upgrade
then I'm just... capped
and can't do anything with it
lavish oracle
Yeah, I'm wondering if hitting 1500 and continuing to run keys will count against your 5000 initial cap
open monolith
Why does upgrading a piece from 184 - 187 cost the same as upgrading a piece from 216 - 220?
lavish oracle
like if I'm not spending it by the time I have 1500, am I wasting the extra?
open monolith
why not scale it like the covenant anima gear?
no if you're capped at 1500 you just won't get anymore
so you won't be negatively impacting the 5000 cap
lavish oracle
Oh, that's good
tame jasper
Why does upgrading a piece from 184 - 187 cost the same as upgrading a piece fro...
Was there a news about the prieces?
open monolith
whether or not i give a fuck about this valor system is going to hinge largely on how much we get per dungeon
tame jasper
oh missed that. thanks
lavish oracle
I'd imagine you'd hit the 1500 either with your 10 weekly keys or shortly thereafter
open monolith
I hope enough people make a stink about it between now and Tuesday that they adjust something.
yeah but the 1st weekly cap is actually 5000
lavish oracle
I'd guess between 75 and 150 a key
open monolith
with a maximum hold of 1500
and I'm not gonna fucking grind 30 dungeons for 5000 valor
lavish oracle
Then don't? it's like the conq cap
the extra valor cap hangs around until you catch up afaik
open monolith
yeah.. i probably won't. Especially since we can't even upgrade loot we already have, which I think is just giga-stupid. This is such a "time-played metric" change rather than a "quality of life because we give a shit about our game and playerbase"
I'm being salty.
but I don't feel like I'm wrong
lavish oracle
Yeah, not being able to upgrade old gear is annoying
Honestly there's only a few slots I'd be able to upgrade with valor at this point anyways, so I'm not too worried about it this season
like a 220 shield would be nice, and like a 220 sin-stained pendant
lofty salmon
hey guys, which legendary will be better next patch? reprisal, will or the wall? for mythic+
open monolith
Pins
lavish oracle
but other than that, I mostly have 220+ on all my slots
open monolith
lofty salmon
the pin is focussed on m+ or raid
tame jasper
As I only have done 10+ of all dungeons I can have 210 items
So no use at all for me
tame jasper
exept one ring or so
open monolith
because it clearly states it lol
lofty thistle
Is the achievement requirements char specific or account
open monolith
we don't know yet
lavish oracle
account wide
tame jasper
"These achievements are currently still account-wide on the PTR which should unlock Rank 12 Valor Upgrades on all your characters once you've"
lavish oracle
there was an answer in the chinese Q&A
open monolith
i swear.. if we get like.. 50-100 valor per dungeon
I think I'll just put the game down and wait patiently for Monster Hunter Rise to come out, or maybe resub to FFXIV to go grind some relic weapons
tame jasper
The screenshot says weekly cap 750, max cap 1500
open monolith
yes but we start at 5000
astral crystal
surely you understand there'll be trickle valor
open monolith
they are starting week 1 cap at 5000 and increasing it by 750 each week
astral crystal
you get like 30 from emissaries and little more from dungeons
open monolith
that'll for sure be the nail in my sub if it's like 30 per dungeon lol
lofty thistle
I wouldn't put it past them to have a large portion come from emissaries
lofty thistle
Ahh musta missed that then
lavish oracle
@open monolith Why do you feel the need to grind the 5000 cap week 1?
there's a lot of time left in the season
open monolith
I don't
I'd like to be able to get at least 1500 just by doing my normal gameplay loop and not needed much else
which is pretty much 10 mythics and 1 heroic raid clear
lavish oracle
I assume it's gotta be tuned so that you can get your weekly cap pretty easily weekly
round raptor
can i just say how the game kinda changed that Raiding sucks for gearing now? i hate this.
lavish oracle
like worst case they assume you do your daily callings and it's like 50 per dungeon
open monolith
that's a weird way to spell "literally everything but PvP sucks for gearing now"
round raptor
they could at least make some kinda of valor to affect raiding gear aswell.
narrow karma
If you were forming a M+ group and your buddy was a warrior too, would you want him to be arms or fury and why? We usually put Mage and Hunter as our other dps
mighty cairn
night fae fury is pretty nice right now in keys
lavish oracle
Fury, fury's sustained 5 target cleave is nutty and their ST is pretty close to Arms (might be ahead, haven't checked in a minute)
Fury is also just like...way tankier
clear ruin
And if you are necro you can boost the fury mastery
lavish oracle
Mastery is good for arms too, no?
clear ruin
Burst some packs
Better for fury
Right?
Arms is more haste crit
Master affects their deep lungs
Wounds
lavish oracle
I'm not gonna pretend to know much about the DPS specs, I dabble in fury sometimes
I only play Arms for PvP
mighty cairn
the prot warrior dream is gearing through pvp
learning arms so i can get 213/220 vers/haste gear .-.
broken cedar
for M+ is there a preference over Niya vs Korayn?
open monolith
Yeah, Pelagos