protection

[fading quiver]

and if equal ilevel?

[sterile moss]

Dan from Method said on his stream that pwar will be better than vdh for m+

[strong forum]

then you pick better stats and then tertiaries come into play

[deep steppe]

👀

Yikes

[strong forum]

getting more block uptime and dmg wont help us vs shit thats killing us already

dots and magic

[uneven mason]

I mean, Sco from method also said that warriors were horrible in BFA while leaving last stand, shield wall and shield block off of CD for massive periods of time

so IDK

[strong forum]

we will be defo alot better in m+

[brittle owl]

🙃

[strong forum]

but its a stretch

to say theyre gonna be better than vdh

[signal plover]

Making bold predictions get phat video views

[deep steppe]

Tru

[uneven mason]

Clickbait titles what

[vestal moat]

As long as community perception improves, that's good too for us puggers.

[strong forum]

i guess

[signal plover]

https://c.tenor.com/VX9spij9_LsAAAAM/jerry-maguire-show-me-the-money.gif

[brittle owl]

you're a tank

[strong forum]

maybe ill enjoy playing m+ then

[brittle owl]

you're 80% shielded from.community perception due to shortage

[strong forum]

after i can deal phatty dmg and kite only 1% of the time

[signal plover]

Prolly not

[strong forum]

i just wanna blast man

cant blast if i have to run <.<

[brittle owl]

try playing a survival hunter so you can actually see the extent of community perception

[deep steppe]

If you blast hard enough, stuff dies and then you don’t have to run

[brittle owl]

triple fire mage stack

[deep steppe]

5head plays

[brittle owl]

chain combusts

[median tulip]

Surv is actually hilarious for winding up meta slaves who are playing boomkin but don't actually know how to properly play the class

[brittle owl]

roses are red
violets are blue
metaslaves being bad is nothing new

[strong forum]

[graceful cobalt]

hi wich race is act best for warrior Tank (M+/Raid)

[median tulip]

the difference is utterly miniscule

[strong forum]

vulpera if horde
dorf/nelf alliance

[brittle owl]

doesn't make much of a difference. space goats have it better for aoe dps and the dorfs have an edge defensively

[deep steppe]

I personally like gobby&high mountain

[hardy pawn]

Panda

[strong forum]

but usually, whatever you find the most visually pleasing

[hardy pawn]

If you play anything other than Panda you're griefing

[median tulip]

Orcs look the best

[strong forum]

your opinion is wrong

[brittle owl]

pandas suck hairy horse tits

[hardy pawn]

If you're opinion isn't panda it's wrong

[median tulip]

It wasn't an opinion, I was stating a fact

[brittle owl]

rest are fine

[deep steppe]

[brittle owl]

pandas need darnassusing

[strong forum]

sus

[hardy pawn]

Pandas have an inbuilt protective layer

[deep steppe]

[hardy pawn]

It makes them perfect for tanking

[tame jasper]

All hail the classic Tauren :p

[brittle owl]

pandas are floorpov

they are walking carpets

[graceful cobalt]

Panda is for Kiddies them you stole their Teddy^^

[brittle owl]

filled with candle fuel

[graceful cobalt]

Hmm ok Magar or normal ORC?

[hardy pawn]

Don't know what you mean

[graceful cobalt]

yeah @hardy pawn i will buy you a new Teddy^^

[hardy pawn]

Can I have that sloth pet from blizzcon?

:^)

[brittle owl]

do you want to be a virgin natty rusty horde orc or a chad ex demon roided azeroth conquering orc

[hardy pawn]

Or a panda

🙂

[graceful cobalt]

@brittle owl what?

[median tulip]

Demonroids would be a good name for a Green Orc Warrior xD

[hardy pawn]

Or just what Gul'dan's nickname was in school

[strong forum]

guldan didnt go to school he got bullied too much so he skipped it

and came back with ||a shotgun || demon magic

[brittle owl]

[astral crystal]

lol

[broken cedar]

Really hope the buffs significantly close the gap in M+ tanking

[plain garnet]

Is Reprisal the go-to leggo now for M+ or will it stay at Thunderlord?

[strong forum]

reprisal

TL is gonna be like 4th best

[plain garnet]

That’s what I figured, but hadn’t heard any confirmation

I made it by mistake at the beginning of the xpac because I didn’t read how legendary crafting worked, so that’s nice lol

My mistake paid off

[strong forum]

[barren socket]

wish we could recycle legendaries for ash

[plain garnet]

But then blizz couldn’t make us run more torghast

[obtuse prism]

is there a list of new best leggos?

[sterile moss]

sending us to torghast is their motivation for periodic legendary 'balancing'

[sterile moss]

pins

[obtuse prism]

ty ❤️

[astral crystal]

idk if i'd say there's a 'gap'

every tank can do 20s

you start seeing a gap beyond that

but there people that play at that level right now are a massive minority

[plain garnet]

There’s definitely a damage gap regardless though, both in M+ and raids. It was a needed buff for sure

[astral crystal]

and i think if youre running at that level you probably have a team you know reasonably well

and you can probably do high keys with them comfortably

damage gap is whatever honestly

i mean yeah, bring on the dmg obviously

[solemn ferry]

And pug mentality m8

[astral crystal]

but i dont think it's that significant

[strong forum]

🥺

so happy about this one

[solemn ferry]

If you're outside the 'meta' you might struggle to do anything above 15

[plain garnet]

There’s a reason that DH is the meta though, and it’s not just because of their kiting. They do insane damage compared to other tanks and can face tank.

[strong forum]

and having 21% magic dmg reduction

just by existing

big uptime on meta and FB

those are the main reasons really

[plain garnet]

Yep, that’s where warriors struggle too. We have shit magic dmg reduction

They have an 8 minute CD death defy too

[mellow patio]

Love a good get out of jail free card

[grand drum]

A 25% magic dr at on a 25 second cd vs a 21% dr from existing

[plain garnet]

Isn’t Spell Reflect only 20%?

[strong forum]

was 25% in legion iirc 😄

[plain garnet]

And it’s completely gone if you actually reflect something lol

[grand drum]

Never checked lol. I mostly use it to reflect spells

[strong forum]

just use SR almost on CD

and youre almost using it perfectly

[plain garnet]

I only save it when I’m reflecting something important, like the last boss ability in ToP

Otherwise I use it on CD

[fallow epoch]

if i create Reprisal today will it be remapped after 9.0.5 release?

[strong forum]

yes

[fallow epoch]

perfect ty!

[sterile moss]

not just warriors though

magic damage is generally harder to deal with

[plain garnet]

True, but we also have no real self sustain compared to a lot of other tanks, which makes it tougher

[deep steppe]

just get angy

and ignore all the pain

[compact palm]

Wait u have a equip set called cringe

[graceful pond]

so reprisal is the go to for m+ for us?

[compact palm]

@strong forum

[plain garnet]

Sounds like it. It makes sense, considering if you take a melee in the group it’ll be easy to keep SB up constantly

[graceful pond]

thats true i guess you just keep intervening the melee in the group?

[plain garnet]

Just macro intervene to the melee and use it when you run out of charges

Then you can shockwave run out a bit and charge back in for another too

[graceful pond]

cause im not planning on doing a ton of raid tanking, i play fury in my mythic raid team, so i was trying to figure what lego to build next week now tha tmy fury one is 235

[compact palm]

Won't be the worst thing to intervein to a ranged since we do that now to kite anyway

[sterile moss]

we'll have to get used to intervening pre-pull

then charging in

[compact palm]

That removes a tool from our kit which isn't good but might be ok most the time

[plain garnet]

With the increased SB uptime, we should be able to face tank a bit more and kite less though

[sterile moss]

we can be a tank that tanks

[broken cedar]

is it worthwhile to drop 7ilvl on an item to gain +70 haste?

or is ilvl still king

[graceful pond]

was just curious cause wowhead still says the wall or the thunderlord lego

[compact palm]

Ilvvl

[reef jacinth]

For both M+ and raid, is Necrolord hot garbage or no?

[plain garnet]

Have they updated for 9.0.5?

[compact palm]

Necrolord got bone daddy so idk

[sterile moss]

pins

[broken cedar]

as i have about 12% haste 😖

[plain garnet]

I think necro is competitive now, but still worse. It could be awesome if you ran with a consistent group where two people favor mastery though

[graceful pond]

yea i wish the necro ability was gonna be more consistant but its dependant on group comp, cause it'd be nice if it was good for fury or prot

[uneven mason]

Alternatively, you could look at NL as being the only covenant besides Kyrian that provides a direct defensive benefit.

28% str is a l o t of armor

[compact palm]

I was today years old when I realized u can fleshcraft slimes in plague fall for a haste buff for group

[plain garnet]

I think with the current change, at the very least you won’t be looked down on as much with necro rather than Kyrian/NF

Before it was just terrible, now it’s just not as good

Fleshcrafting change is nice though too

[compact palm]

Necro fleshcraft with the dmgnreduc will be more useful then banner in most cases

[plain garnet]

True, I believe you can block while casting it too

[wanton condor]

yup

[compact palm]

Yrp

[wanton condor]

3s of ridiculous eHP is pretty nifty

[graceful pond]

yea im considering NF atm cause i wanna do some prot with being fury and venthyr feels real bad as prot to me.

[plain garnet]

Kyrian Phials are a godsend on necrotic weeks

[compact palm]

Necrotic weeks getting nerfed thank god

[tender spire]

does 1 phial remove all the necrotic stacks ?

[plain garnet]

But otherwise NF isn’t bad, just not super consistent keeping enemies inside the ability

Yes

[strong forum]

yes

[compact palm]

At least the stupid mechanics

Should I ask what's in it or nah

[uneven mason]

The trinket from SD

[chilly brook]

NF is pretty consistent it's not too difficult to get full value especially since you're the tank

And you get a lot of benefit by doing so

Locking down casters etc.

[mighty valley]

ugh should've bought shadowghast greaves weeks ago

anyone got a sense of when they'll be cheapest between now and reset? someone who is good at the economy help

[dapper coral]

oh, you right

They always spike on reset days. I generally find the weekend to be the cheapest.

[hexed rune]

Prices drop on the weekend, pick up at reset

So see how low they drop, but probably don't wait past Sunday evening

I just hope this means the missive crash on my server gets reversed. Stuff going fir 650 gold started going fir 250

[umbral cave]

https://theunderminejournal.com select your server and find the item your looking for. It will give stats on the item and its price fluctuations through the week

[hexed rune]

Oh shit

Ty

[stray gazelle]

Good thing I crafted 5 lego plate pants a week ago I’m holding these and selling them once the patch drops

All 235 too

[uneven mason]

O I need to snag mine they're pretty cheap

relative

[naive mauve]

Is "The Wall" still the best Legy after 9.0.5?

[uneven mason]

for raiding

[naive mauve]

And M+?

[uneven mason]

for M+ it'll be reprisal

[sand condor]

wo!

i just atnked an 18

[uneven mason]

as long as no further needless nerfs

[sand condor]

and it went fine

17*

[uneven mason]

😐 This is how shocked I am

[sand condor]

hey i havent tanked in ages

[strong forum]

grats

[sturdy trench]

just wondering why people are downplaying necro

[uneven mason]

?

[sturdy trench]

its not like either kyrian or NF give anything amazing

[small marsh]

Hrmmmm can we still get 100% SB with the nerfed reprisal

[strong forum]

no

[small marsh]

Rip

[strong forum]

but 80%+

which is good enough

[small marsh]

Yeah

[signal plover]

Plus you can run AM+BSC

[small marsh]

We can cover the other 20% with heroic leap

[stray gazelle]

You get enough to block then you can kite a bit

[small marsh]

Yeah

[signal plover]

Just SW bb

[small marsh]

And those damage buffs

Unf

[strong forum]

you dont need 100% block anyway

[stray gazelle]

You can’t face tank everything yet

Not DH

[strong forum]

natural downtime, SW, not needing to block

yada yada

[stray gazelle]

Even DH have to kite actually

[strong forum]

DH cant facetank for shit

DH is kiting 50% of the time

[small marsh]

Lol people on the wowhead comments crying that Blizz hates DH

[umbral cave]

What gives them magic dmg reduction? I know FB gives 40% dmg reduction

[signal plover]

wowhead comments

[small marsh]

I'm just like u fukken wot

[strong forum]

their passive

[small marsh]

Lol I know

[stray gazelle]

Who actually has a wowhead acc?

[strong forum]

people who like to flame alot

🙂

[small marsh]

Wowhead comments are moronic but it was still funny

[signal plover]

Sus

[stray gazelle]

I’d rather read forums about dumb stuff

[small marsh]

Is UF going to be worth using with the 20% buff to Tclap?

I'm guessing not

[strong forum]

it will be competetive

[uneven mason]

NO

SHHH

[strong forum]

not be a dmg loss anymore

[signal plover]

It'll be closer to rav

[uneven mason]

🤮

[signal plover]

But also fuck UF kek

[small marsh]

Lol

[strong forum]

you can play it, but its still less rage than rav

but same damage

[uneven mason]

so many GCDs not spent pumping revenge

[strong forum]

ye

[small marsh]

That's what I was thinking

[uneven mason]

the GCDs spent on TC Means you have to put rage into IP

to cycle AM

and thats a DPS loss my friend

[waxen cradle]

In before they nerf it again but I hope they do not make Reprisal to where only Charge or Intervene can proc SBlock because it makes me wonder it Blizzard will fun detect the hell out of Reprisal

[small marsh]

I wish UF just fucking made TC hit hard

[strong forum]

couldnt care less about UF

i like rav

[uneven mason]

Literally still weaker than the legendaries that VDH, Guardian, Paladin and BDK have been enjoying all XPac...people think we're gonna get fun detected for having something "good and gameplay changing" for once.

thats how whipped warriors are.

[small marsh]

UF AM is fun cause turbo avatar is fun and many turbo avatar is fun

[strong forum]

eh BDK leggos arent that strong

or good

[uneven mason]

well

[strong forum]

or anything

[uneven mason]

at least their leggo has both a defensive and offensive application 😛

[strong forum]

dorki is legit using triple dot leggo in m+

big whoop

[small marsh]

I hate how many legendaries are just a minor numerical tweak to your class output

I wish more changed how you play

[strong forum]

well the other ones that arent numerical tweak

are just bad

😄

[uneven mason]

didn't say it was fun, but it provides a lot of damage and runic power

[bold depot]

is there a way yet to sim external buff of banner mastery?

[waxen cradle]

@uneven mason Agree completely that it should not happen and likely will not. I just know how they are. All these years of WoW play has taught me to hope for the best and expect the worst, and to not bitch to much about needing buffs as it can always get worse.

[small marsh]

I wish more GOOD ones changed how you play lol

[strong forum]

has to be implemented by simC

its not yet implemented

[bold depot]

mmk

[strong forum]

will take some time to sim it properly

itll be like WFT or mystic touch i think

where you enable the buff in advanced options

[naive mauve]

Is reprisal rly the best for m+?

[strong forum]

yes

going to be*

[uneven mason]

Its because people see something that is "up to par" and lose their minds like Llrod on Wowhead praising Reprisal as amazing and people saying it'll make warrior Meta tank for m+.

Its blowing it out of proportion and Blizzard goes ahead and nerfs it even though its still WAY weaker than VDH legos

[strong forum]

not currently

[waxen cradle]

I have considered going Horde many times in the past as that is where I began, but I feel I would miss my DiD racials, and my Nelf racials too much. Hell even though it makes no difference in any form of content, having my own port to SW as a dwarf feels amazing.

Not a huge deal, but any time I need a port or am in a place where I need to pop back to a AH its right there. Pretty handy

[sweet summit]

what is the buff from banner called

pretty sure its implimented

[waxen cradle]

The current banner ?

[sweet summit]

ptr

[vague jetty]

Is the same name as the spell

[signal plover]

"Big Peepee Master"

[uneven mason]

"That'lll be 1500 gold please"

[void stump]

Everyone going necro next week????

[waxen cradle]

LOL

waiting to see posts of wtb necro warrior banner buff

[deep steppe]

no, also

[sweet summit]

@bold depot
in advanced do:

PTR=1

fill in blanks with /simc string/profile

#Conqueror's Banner will be cast on the player at 0 seconds, 120 seconds, and 240 seconds.
external_buffs.conqueror's_banner=0/120/240

i think that should work

[waxen cradle]

See a lot of Fire mages being like ERMAGURD bring a necro warrior

[strong forum]

more like boomkins

and dks

and warlocks

[waxen cradle]

I still for me cannot justify giving up all the gains I get from Kyrian

[sharp mural]

So... I tried a +7 HoA last night on my prot and it was horrible. Prot getting a buff wednesday or what? 😦 (it's an old alt, only 197 never play it tbh)

[strong forum]

i did 14s with 180 ilvl week1

so, im calling a git gud there

[sharp mural]

++ I respect/understand that

[jolly thistle]

rude

[strong forum]

but yes pwar is getting buffs

decent ones at that

[stray gazelle]

Dungeons have a lot of magic dmg and warriors are very bad at mitigating those besides spell reflect

[midnight jetty]

I finally got stone legions trinket, lfr one tho. Is it still good to use? defensively

[strong forum]

SLG is one of the best trinkets in the game

offensively aswell

[waxen cradle]

I for one want to know how the aforementioned at Blizzconline... empowered Conduits may play out. So I am looking forward to seeing where that Blizzcon idea pans out. Imagine a empowered Spear of Bastion or a empowered AAftershock @_@sour sleet!!

[sharp mural]

I'm only a casual 1350 healer but I'm ready for a tanky alt so looking around whatup

[strong forum]

defensively its aight

[midnight jetty]

we're progging on sludge now and my current two are 213 spike and 226 decanter

[strong forum]

just sim it

tbh

[uneven mason]

Or shield wall, or ignore pain or demoralizing shout...you know, our other abilities that people tend to try and exclude from discussions of magic damage.

[deep steppe]

^

[stray gazelle]

Ahh true my b

[uneven mason]

last stand too, as a reactive heal

although considering last stand as a useful CD without bolster

should literally be a 1min CD

hell, remove Last stand, give us IV baseline, would be a better effect.

[hardy pawn]

Lowkey might macro that

[cloud cargo]

did someone change covenant to night fae ? i was venth and night fae does more dmg 😄

[uneven mason]

I'm sure someone did

[strong forum]

lot of people went NF recently

[deep steppe]

Plka did

[strong forum]

i was considering too

but im too lazy

[uneven mason]

was NF before it was cool

[cloud cargo]

yes pika did

but why he use dmg legend ?

[uneven mason]

its plka not pika

[sweet summit]

cos he is gaming

[uneven mason]

he's not a yellow rat

[waxen cradle]

Yeah it does urrk me a fair bit when people are like "hur dur warriors suck at magic damage" I mean yes we do not have the magic damage management of say a DH right now, but our cd's if used correctly are hella effective. Just not as effective as a baseline magic reduction of monks per say or a cd that can be used as often as a DH

[deep steppe]

cause he wants to pump

[uneven mason]

Prots main weakness is our DPS

fix it 😄

[stray gazelle]

If only prot got Elysian decree

[hardy pawn]

I mean something that everyone else always overlooks is just how good spell reflect is

[cloud cargo]

weaknes is dps? rly? 😄

[stray gazelle]

That would’ve been cool

[hardy pawn]

Like its a 100% damage reduction on a magic spell

[deep steppe]

correct. Thats why our dam is getting buffed tuesday

[stray gazelle]

I mean a 10% aura would’ve said it lol

[waxen cradle]

Honestly with this change coming next week, bring our damage up just a little bit more and I am good. After that make buffs to our class through patches or whatever, but leave us alone

[cloud cargo]

I think NF is good for block magic damage, bcs u have more interrupts

[strong forum]

the buffs we're getting are careful ones, any more and we can be broken real quick

[sick sentinel]

i legit don't think iknow what the warrior ability is for NF

[waxen cradle]

I do not want us to get buffed too much too quickly as I feel when that is the case, we are put in Blizzards cross hairs

[deep steppe]

[strong forum]

we're already on a thin line to being incredibly strong

[uneven mason]

If only they restored TC to 300% AP instead of 46%

[rugged finch]

I'm very confused as to which covenant to choose now 🥴

[strong forum]

all 4 are good

:)))))

[uneven mason]

who is the prettiest

[strong forum]

so yeah

tough choice

[stray gazelle]

Warriors are becoming very interesting if they become be necro max from limit was talking about 2 warrior tanks for raids cause of banner

[uneven mason]

I imagine that will get it nerfed

[stray gazelle]

All the auto corrects holy

[uneven mason]

and useless again

[sick sentinel]

that could be incredibly handy just knock down all mobs every 3 seconds

[uneven mason]

just look at what happened to our SR from being used for sire world first

they took a machete to the things we could reflect/deflect.

[strong forum]

wont happen unless havoc becomes a good dps

[stray gazelle]

It’s okay trust blizzard they know how to balance the game amirite

[strong forum]

or WW becomes entirely unplayable

[deep steppe]

[stray gazelle]

XD

[uneven mason]

more likely we'll see VDH and Guardian as tanks and they'll just bring 2 fury/arms

[waxen cradle]

I like that NOW we actually have a choice. It feels really good. However for me I like doing M+ on my Warrior so I would not go Venthyr because I like the control and utility I get from Kyrian and NFae. Of course the damage of the effects are nice, but I will say if Condemn had a cleave component I would run Venthyr. That however would be broken as hell, and will never happen.

[uneven mason]

But yeah it 100% depends on what they do for class buffs in 9.1

[deep steppe]

That moment when your guild runs (me) P-war and BDK as main tanks

[uneven mason]

if they buff Havoc/fury/arms you'll see a big shuffling in tank lineups

[deep steppe]

[strong forum]

guardian idk

[uneven mason]

If you're not pushing world first it literally doesn't matter

[strong forum]

but 100% VDH

[uneven mason]

Guardian big ez heal

[strong forum]

prolly VDH/Prot

[uneven mason]

its the BrM

[stray gazelle]

My guild is already talking about gearing warrior tanks for next raid tier mainly cause of banner they plan to drop monk and drood tank ASAP if they can’t keep up

[uneven mason]

of SL

[strong forum]

guardian doesnt bring what prot brings

dont need to be tanky

[uneven mason]

true

[strong forum]

what matters are raid buffs

[uneven mason]

RC and mobility

[limpid burrow]

bannerbot

[deep steppe]

[uneven mason]

imagine picking tanks based on tankyness

[strong forum]

no need cuz all you need to do is play well

[limpid burrow]

Is it worth become one

[strong forum]

but hardly anyone knows that

🙂

[deep steppe]

You can play this game well?

[stray gazelle]

wait you need skill to play?

[strong forum]

hey all the +10 pugs think they are already at peak skill so they need meta comps to complete keys

[deep steppe]

[uneven mason]

TFW you can do +10s without pressing shield block

and be ok

[strong forum]

same with 15s , just need an acceptable group

[uneven mason]

need a healer who won't try and murder you IRL after

[sick sentinel]

you need skill to do literal the same thing over and over to kill the mobs in the same order each time and bosses who literal call out exactly what kind of move they are going to use

nahhh

[uneven mason]

You need at least 6 th grade reading skills to understand the zone map diagrams of pulls

Oh wait, no, just hte tank does, everyone else can follow your instructions on their pretty marked mobs.

[sick sentinel]

i never passed my grade 10

fail it every time

[strong forum]

[stray gazelle]

i've had healers told me im easier to heal than druid and dh

[uneven mason]

Its amazing how much "PUGRogue_1, interrupt 🟦 when they cast <spell that is going to suck>"

[stray gazelle]

but im like kiting most of the time in higher keys lol

[uneven mason]

is hard to execute

[strong forum]

ive been told that repeatedly how much of a difference it is to actually heal a good tank

[sick sentinel]

they say its luck vs skill, i say its just having balls to show up and do what you said you'd do

you just do it or you don't

[sand condor]

WELP

now i tanked an 18

😄

[stray gazelle]

in truth i run with a druid with trees and shaman with elemental kek carrying me

[strong forum]

i mean boomkins are mandatory for a reason

[sick sentinel]

earth ele can save a disaster run some times

[strong forum]

ye earth ele is bae

[sand condor]

earth ele and treants saved this key

[strong forum]

and i have 2 of them in my group

primal earth ele is fucking amazing

dude can straight up tank an entire pull for forever

i went AFK in a boost once, and they did a big pull + pride with primal earth ele

while i was afk getting my mail

[strange lintel]

https://gyazo.com/d49dbb4786585c15dfbe86d83e1e56c6 isnt this the trinket thats super good for tanking

[strong forum]

na they nerfed it by quite a bit

[strange lintel]

so not worth anymore hu

[strong forum]

nop

[strange lintel]

i got no tanking trinkets yet

[strong forum]

dont need tanking trinkets

[sand condor]

im running this dong hymn

[strong forum]

there are only like 2.5 good ones in the game

[sand condor]

and the pvp str proc trinket

[strange lintel]

using anima field emiter and sheet music hehe

[deep steppe]

anima is good

big haste

[strong forum]

blood scale, sanguine vintage and the .5 is heart of liver failure

those are the tank trinkets in the game

[strange lintel]

is the one from kaeltas no good?

[strong forum]

heraldry, decanter, anima, phial of putrification, hymnal are all good offensive trinkets, some also having good defensives

[strong forum]

only if youre undergeard or pushing omega high content

[strange lintel]

i dunno i always liked having at least one defencive trinket. like the nzoth one last expac

but ill take your word for it

[deep steppe]

Go for Scale then

[strong forum]

thats bloodscale

[deep steppe]

^

scale is pog

[austere stream]

I have AFE and bloodscale.

[deep steppe]

Thats what i run

[strange lintel]

getting nothing on the adventure guide. whats the actual name?

[deep steppe]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=179331/blood-spattered-scale?bonus=6805:1472

[austere stream]

ngl part of why I run bloodscale is to stick just a bit more on the heal meters...

[strange lintel]

thanks

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC8jBHvy9G8 prot warrior in 8.3 in a nut shell

[strange lintel]

bloodscale sounds amazing

dmg and a shield? sign me up

[strong forum]

best trinket in the game for tanks

[strange lintel]

looks like im farming da otherside

[strong forum]

at 226 the absorb is close to 50k on 5 targets

[strange lintel]

fjc

imagine getting a 226 tho

[strong forum]

well you can farm 220 starting next week

so its something

[strange lintel]

you are right

[sick sentinel]

50k is like practically ur whole hp bar

[strange lintel]

do we know if we can get a mythic 0 one and upgrade it to 220?

or it has to be at least +2

[ionic fern]

SD pisses me off.
Khaal just randomly decides to pull the next packs without running away at the health %.

[austere stream]

I know a DH who would shit himself if he saw a 226 in his vault.

[ionic fern]

Smh

[strong forum]

i think you can, but youll need alot of valor points

[strange lintel]

not like we got anything else to do with em

[strong forum]

so idk whats easier

grind +2s and then valor

or just spam 15s

[strange lintel]

it all depen ds on luck i guess

[strong forum]

and do both

actually i think spamming 12-15s is the best way to go about it

cuz youre not gonna do a +2 much faster than a +12

[strange lintel]

christ its on a 2min cd too

what is this

[strong forum]

when with +12s youre grinding valor aswell

[strange lintel]

how blances shit in this game lol

[strong forum]

2min CD is too long for my taste

i prefer 1min CD

gimme half the trinket on 1min CD

and im happier

[strange lintel]

honestly a 5 second emergency shield sounds fine to me

1min cd

ill take it

[unique shale]

so if you get ilvl 210 you spend less points to upgrade it to 220 ?

[strange lintel]

im gona guess that each level boost will require more and more conquest

er

valor

and like conquest you wont be able to just farm it to cap then refill right

[strong forum]

well cap is gonna be 5k

you can hold up to 1.5k total at a time

[stray gazelle]

anyone know if KSM is acc bound or you have to unlock it for every char for 220 upgrades?

[strong forum]

so you grind to 1.5k then upgrade, grind again, upgrade again

[strange lintel]

do we know how much we gona get per dungeon per key level and such

[strong forum]

no

watch it be 35

[deep steppe]

plz no

[strange lintel]

im going to asume they are going to do it as difficult as possible. with not key increments for a few weeks then add some per key

[lofty widget]

start at 35, then in a couple months they make it 100

[compact palm]

Honestly with how low drop rates are your prob hitting cap before you get a item worth upgeading

[unique shale]

lol

[sick sentinel]

just do badges

you get 5 badges for finishing m+

[unique shale]

my bag is full of shoulders from 14 and 15

[strong forum]

why

[unique shale]

[strong forum]

i dont get people that dont get rid of useless gear immediately

[sand condor]

I feel powerful

[unique shale]

RNG

[strong forum]

wdym rng

just sell it?

[sand condor]

Like prot made me feel so strong

[strong forum]

good

[sand condor]

Im happy playing it

[compact palm]

I have every like 15 trinkets In invo

[unique shale]

oh i will vendor it but i keep getting shoulders

[stray gazelle]

its quite satisfying clearing a high key as prot war

and if you do well the prot war community looks good

[sand condor]

My group even was like “yo man your calls wet good”

[strong forum]

💧

[compact palm]

Wet and calls

Made them moist

[sand condor]

Yeah they were like “i was sceptical at first, but this dude not bad at all”

I didn’t even hit 3k dps thi

[strong forum]

smh

[unique shale]

just do your beast and time key and if they were super happy add them as your friends

i timed 3 15 key for a hunter since he had bad luck to form group 16

[waxen cradle]

The thing I like to hear in 15's and up is how easy I was to heal. This feels even better given how often I am told that I am one of the first Warriors they have seen lol

[verbal viper]

can the Reprisal leggo only be obtained from Upper reaches? looks like its unobtainable at the moment if so

[unique shale]

but for 16 i told him i not into pushing yet

[sand condor]

Yeah my healer was legit asking me wtf prot warrior does

[strong forum]

you can get it from twisted corridors aswell

but yes, only 1 source besides that

[prime nymph]

i do 18s. never had an issue in keys

there not high

[stray gazelle]

prot does zug thing

[prime nymph]

but prot is good

[compact palm]

Prot smorcc

[unique shale]

when i join lower keys for fun people always telling me wtf prot war was it a trash tank this season

[prime nymph]

im waiting if to jump on the necro train

we wait and see

[waxen cradle]

I would have answered we hit things and hold them so you can make them die

[sand condor]

I’m slowly convincing my guild, i should tank instead of our prot paladin

Then im going Nightfae

[stray gazelle]

Legit necro seems really good fleshcraft 20% dmg reduc is still basically a defense cd

when channeling

[prime nymph]

ye this is true

But vial is so good

[unique shale]

what’s key to push higher then 15 ? i couldn’t time a 16 because we were short on time by 30sec

[prime nymph]

what?

[strong forum]

good dps

[prime nymph]

i mean im gonna push 20s today

[strong forum]

playing clean

[prime nymph]

and this week

this week legit joke

lol

[strong forum]

would be a shame if we got our big buffs just after the easiest m+ week

[unique shale]

we had mage boomy and dk they did average of 4.5k dps

[prime nymph]

ya for sure

[strong forum]

4.5k should be enough to time 16s

not great dps, but enough

[prime nymph]

nomera - have u done much in the way of looking at necro vs kyrian

[strong forum]

pin sums it up nicely

[prime nymph]

didnt see there was a new one

[strong forum]

kyrian is better defensively and obv more rage gain, + tether and potion

necro is likely more group dps if you exclusively play around it

but obv way less personal dps

and 0 rage gain

[unique shale]

should i chain pull adds like last week or keep it safe ?

[strong forum]

never chain pull

just make clear pulls, coordinate CDs with DPS

and just play it safe tbh, you only start doing risky shit at 21/22+

[ocean yoke]

i think the new banner does have a rage gen on it

but its small and ticks, not chunk rage like kyrian

[strong forum]

isnt it just mastery

[compact palm]

No there's 4 rage gen

[ocean yoke]

the wowhead notes say its 4 rage per second

[compact palm]

Its low

[strong forum]

interesting

didnt know that

[ocean yoke]

for arms/prot, fury gets 6

so 60 rage over 15 seconds, not too crazy

[strong forum]

thats like a bad ravager

[sterile moss]

Not as much as kyr/nf, but enough to keep you angry

[strong forum]

but only a bit less rage than spear

mh aight

somebody is prepping

[compact palm]

Same

[deft sapphire]

Don’t forgot fleshcraft has some utility as a defensive too!

[compact palm]

Hit 36 yesterday after swapping

[sick sentinel]

What your opions on the legendary changes

[deep steppe]

[sick sentinel]

k

[deep steppe]

Mwahi sums it up very nicely

[compact palm]

Good

[broken cedar]

is Dratnos routes the safest ones to use for entry leveling/pugging up to 15ish or is there a better source?

[deep steppe]

dratnos is fine

I personally took the dratnos route and tweeked different things based on the week/what pulls i like vs dont like etc

[wanton condor]

they're pretty good

[weary notch]

Wait, I've been running Thunderlord Stompers in M+. Are those bad as of 9.0.5? Should I have been running the Wall?

[deep steppe]

bad? no they're just "not as good"

I did all my KSM dungeons with thunderlord

[weary notch]

not as good as the wall?

[wanton condor]

main things I'd change around is the DOS (I like the waterfall pull, much safer) and his SoA overpulls by a pack

[deep steppe]

Wall is better in raid than Thunderlord, so if you only want 1 leggo its better.

I have both the wall and TL and they're both nice

[weary notch]

oh, I see. I have both, and was running Thunderlord in M and Wall in Raid

[deep steppe]

but since TL is bad in raid, and reprisal looks better than TL for M+

TL is kinda the odd one out now

[weary notch]

ok, didn't see it in the pins and thought something changed

thanks

[deep steppe]

np

[weary notch]

ugh, I never should have quit doing torghast 😦

[limpid burrow]

so is repsisal worth to craft now since nerfs?

Reprisal*

[deep steppe]

its in the pins

but yes

[rancid ember]

[deep steppe]

still prolly BIS for M+

[mighty cairn]

anyone know if rebellious fist in spires in LOS'able?

saw a pull where you triple pull in spires and LOS behind a pillar to group anything but not sure what happens if a cast starts

[deep steppe]

I've never seen or heard anything like that before

i've always seen it just be interrupted so

🤷‍♂️

[deep steppe]

according to wowhead its a 30 yard cast

so if you range it, it doesn't matter

[unique shale]

what about los ?

[deep steppe]

No idea

[lofty widget]

you can los that

[dry apex]

what slot would Reprisal go in

[lofty widget]

legs for the most stats

[keen oasis]

So, if we would run AM with Reprisal, should we also run Thunderclap talent instead of Ravager?

[safe fulcrum]

Didn't thunderclap also get like a 20% buff? Wouldn't Unstoppable force be really strong rn?

[unique shale]

both Thunderclap and Ravager sim same

[compact palm]

What's the rage gen difference tho

[keen oasis]

Which means Ravager is better because rage it generates that you can use for defense, right?
Unless that was simmed too.

Plus I think it will be REALLY tight on GDC to do thunderclap and revenge every proc of Reprisal.

[compact palm]

Depends on sheild slam procs really

[solar spear]

will the play style to be intervening all over the place for SB uptime with reprisal then?

[deft sapphire]

You can just macro intervene onto a melee

Or mouseover it, you shouldn’t need to move far

[dire totem]

I use this one:
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge

[compact palm]

Give us old banner back so we always have a melee

[solar spear]

thanks i guess you need to be careful though with stuff like the SD

gargoyles to not use it up lol

[dull zodiac]

😎

[compact palm]

[outer solstice]

I get avatar to line pretty much with demo shout

[sick sentinel]

alright gamers

currently guardian

the prot warrior buffs are exciting

[austere stream]

Just got Most Regal Signet and I'm lovin' it.

[plush saffron]

Use for more revenge hits

[odd verge]

Quick question: So I've been trying to farm Scale forever but it never dropped in M+. And now I got it when boosting a guildie through M0 (184ilvl). Hilarious, right?

Should i use that instead of Alar (187 ilvl) or Stone Legion (195 ilvl). My primary slot is decanter (190) for DPS.

[soft haven]

I'd run it instead of Alar since it keeps you alive and deals damage to only your enemies and not your friends and has much higher uptime and doesn't need you to die. But your mileage may vary 🙂

[fast ruin]

Anyone think the changes to legendary s will make the top choice for mythic+ shift away from thunder lord?

[woeful harbor]

Idk seismic or resprisal

[ionic fern]

For any meaningful content Reprisal >= The Wall.
For anything where you can get away with less defensives Seismic.

[outer solstice]

yeah seismic for the giga pumpers

[verbal viper]

so if we are still gearing up and pushing keys, defense more important at first than seismic's dps?

[plush saffron]

The content would have to be really trivial to play Seismic. Reprisal still gives a damage boost with Revenge! procs, rage and the ability to play more offensively with abilities and talents

[ornate sky]

seismic feels like when you overgear things

[plush saffron]

and seismic needs at least 3 targets to work

[ripe badge]

Hello good night, a question I am war tank Kyrian but with the changes they will make is, will I have to go to Necrolod? Or do I stay in the Kyrian curia?

[lofty widget]

theres a nice pinned message that sums up all the changes very well 🙂

[plush saffron]

no, you won't need to go Necro

[astral crystal]

you can los and range it

there's a pack on the top of the stairs before third boss

where there's a goliath chillin on a mana pool

if you pull the mobs to the other side of the stairs at the top, he just spams fist out of range

[brazen path]

What slot should we craft reprisal in?

[late rampart]

boots if you do mythic CN, because there are 233 pants. If not then pants.

[median tulip]

There are several considerations for that choice. Legs give the higher Stat Budget, but (if you have Mythic progression) the Legs from Stone Legion Generals are higher than any Boots, so you'll end up with a higher overall item level with those. At the other end of the scale, there's the choice if you already have a really good piece in one slot, then it makes some sense to put the legendary in the other.

[prime merlin]

anyone use any 3rd party addons/website for simming survival?

[dapper coral]

I know its very much based on skill and playstyle, but how much more "tankier" will I feel going from 200 to 215 or so

[flint blaze]

I might be lost here, why do written guides like icyveins/wowhead say reprisal is bad but the pin here says reprisal is "still" good

I guess I also don't understand why it would be good

[dapper coral]

guides have current info, pins have 9.0.5 info and Reprisal was nerfed AFTER it got a huge buff

[prime merlin]

15 item levels is really good, i would say you would feel alot tankier

[flint blaze]

Ohhhh it got a whole redesign I get it

or rather it's getting one

[chilly brook]

A good amount

[dapper coral]

I just feel like I crumple compared to both my Paladin and Druid if I don't play optimally

[chilly brook]

It's a punishing spec, wasn't much different at the beginning of last xpac in regards to being punished for not playing well

Although you should definitely feel more tanky than paladin

[woeful harbor]

Reprisal was nerfed ?

[dapper coral]

I guess that was mostly my question, assuming equal ilvl. I know how Druid and Paladin feel at 220 but only know how a Warrior feels at 200

Slightly, in the release patch notes. 4 seconds of SB instead of 6

[static vortex]

I thought people were saying Reprisal was still good despite going to 4 from 6

[dapper coral]

I should've said after it got reworked

[woeful harbor]

Reprisal is now playebel because the charge

[chilly brook]

Realistically probably nothing is gonna feel more tanky than bear

It's pretty much the most tanky rn

[dapper coral]

And I get that, I just don't know to expect an ocean or a river between Warrior and Druid

Also, will Heirmir be the preferred Soulbind still for Necrobois in 9.0.5? I assume so but I can't seem to find any info on it

[prime nymph]

So does the necro banner only effect 2 close targets in raid?

[dapper coral]

it should be proximity based according to its wording

but yes, you plus 2 others is the cap

[narrow karma]

What’s the m+ fotm melee classes I should be on the look for when making my own keys I typically fill ranged with mages or boomies

[dapper coral]

WW or UDK

Rogue too, for some dungos

[narrow karma]

Is it worth asking the rogue what spec?

[mighty valley]

outlaw is best

the others are so rare though so i wouldn't worry

mm hunters also good

i dunno though, overall you're just hoping for good players

half my guild groups on the way to ksm were all melee with no real lust

[median tulip]

Ideally you want to form a party with certain qualities; Lust is one. Appropriate dispel/cleanse for the dungeon is another. A balance between ST and AoE DPS is desirable too.

OFC that assumes you can find a DPS that's willing to press his cleanse ability instead of an offensive spell, but they should do that

In some dungeons CC is desirable too. Also melee tend to have a faster CD on interrupts, and that's important

[frank spoke]

does anyone have the necrolord sims around?

[modern brook]

Mhawie might

Have like hard numbers I mean

But the consensus is that you wouldn't take necro for you

It's to buff firemage /boomie/ etc burst during dumb pulls

Which is harder to put a hard number to

[frank spoke]

yea like i took it to become a boomer simp but i cant seem to figure out who of them should be better

[modern brook]

The soulbinds?

[frank spoke]

yea

[modern brook]

Emei

[frank spoke]

yea i thought emeni cause of her buff thingy with more mainstat on banner press

[modern brook]

Lead by example is big and stacks with the co duot

Homer also p good

Heimer*

[frank spoke]

i like homer more xD

[modern brook]

U can leave merelith for arms pvp

The other two both have merit imo

[frank spoke]

thats all i needed to hear 😛 thanks

[steel fiber]

Hello guys i'm beginning war prot in this extension, just wanted to ask a question about the uptime of your ignore pain/shield block ? I'm doing 14-15 keys and my uptime on ignore pain is 70% // 45%~ on shield block, is this good, bad ? Thanks a lot !

[chilly brook]

Dont focus on ignore pain all that much h

Shield block is the most important thing for blockable damage

45% is extremely low

Although uptime isn't what you should be looking at

Effective use is

[steel fiber]

Alright, i'm focusing really too much on ignore pain

Thanks for the help i'll try to get better on shield block

[torpid hill]

what's the tool for determining uptime anyway?

[deft sapphire]

Check on logs for melee hits

The % of melees blocked and % of blockable tank busters are a good indication

[torpid hill]

ah cool, looks like I did 56% block on sludge melee tonight

separate question, cloak enchant. I see a mix of avoidance and leech for high m+, occasional speed, is there any meaningful data on usefulness?

[chilly brook]

Should be higher

👀

[torpid hill]

clearly!

I probably should use last stand more

ironically 68% on generals

[frank spoke]

im getting into prot warrior again and im noticing something on logs people are somewhat split on anger management and bolster, i played prot warr last time back in BoD so im used to the bolster thing but how come some people are using anger management is it cause of the wall legendary?

[limpid pawn]

hey where are the 2 gargoyles in sanguine this week?

[clear ruin]

I generally use anger in most raid bosses and bolster In keys

[lavish raptor]

Hey folks, a lot of guides/people are saying to stack Haste, second to only iLvl

however PLKA has been quite successful and hes stacking versa, is there a consensus or is there something im missing

[red wave]

You guys going to be running Reprisal or still The wall in Raids? I'm checking out tank burster timers and it looks like I can actively have SB at ~80% for all active tanking time (Outside of Sire/SLG) so wondering if Reprisal i s really going to be as major for raiding.

[dusky mica]

Probably less so because you ain't gonna be running out of melee while actively tanking a raid boss.

[solemn magnet]

i did it~

[safe pier]

Congrats

[dusky mica]

you appear to be very small

[solemn magnet]

it's all about the ambiance

[keen epoch]

You guys think that if running reprisal + AM on m+, then we could run unstoppable force instead of ravager?

[dense flame]

You can sure. Would run BV and UF. Someone mentioned the build does similar dmg.

Will do*

Just not as much rage gen

@keen epoch

[chilly brook]

I don't use bolster on sludge

🙂

[chilly brook]

your use case isn't the same as his

[chilly brook]

AM is just usually the better pick in raids because you naturally have downtime where shield block can recharge and bolster is unecessary on a lot of fights because of that

[lavish raptor]

Whats the use case for versa over haste?

[chilly brook]

high ass keys

[lavish raptor]

and that would be what, anything over 20?

[chilly brook]

You'd be better off asking him when he felt he needed to stack vers, it's something he did because he felt like it was better at a certain point couldn't tell you when that was but it's not necessarily something that was made based on math afaik

[chilly brook]

you don't need huge uptime on the shield block buff in raids because it naturally has time to recharge when swapping

[limpid pawn]

for high SoA keys

what ist he best angel order

middle, then left, the nright?

[drifting glade]

does taking seismic increase the proc rate of gluttonous spike

i.e. can gluttonous spike proc off the additional swing of revenge that seismic grants

[solemn magnet]

yeah

[torpid hill]

I tried to use AM for several pulls but we were having some trouble tonight with tryouts and a larger raid size :( was hoping to get some solid damage out

but that's impressive that you maintained the higher uptime

[tame jasper]

Mornin', I want to ask you advice. I'm trying to do my m+15 keys but my guild mates don't want to run with me because they say I take too much damage/have no self-heal. At the moment I run with "Never Surrender", but thinking to switch to "Impending Victory" for m+. What do you think? And can you advise any "Non-meta-thinking"-m+-communities? I tried to queue random yesterday, but after 15 declines in a row I logged off, being frustrated ( profile: https://raider.io/characters/eu/wrathbringer/Bukama )

[drifting glade]

uhhhh, why not indomitable

[chilly brook]

It's pretty scripted if you study the fight a little bit there's some areas you can find that are traps for shield block casts

[tame jasper]

Feedback from my guild healers is, that I should avoide damage instead of having a better HP. Back then (I stoped playing in Catacylsm and came back in January) a larger HP-pools was better to be more stable, but I belived them that this changed

[drifting glade]

indomitable is much better than impending victory and never surrender

[torpid hill]

any resources I can look at?

you should be absolutely churning through rage, I get plenty of indomitable healing in keys

[dense flame]

Change to devestator as well

[tame jasper]

Hm I tried that at the beginnend, but felt more compftable having devestate to attack each mob after pull to build aggro on each (aide from the opening TC of course - I really miss cleave). But to be honest that was a a time I din't have Ravanger, think that should be make the deal in this case

[limpid pawn]

what about devestator changed?

[tame jasper]

It's the more "stable" pool I think instead having the "oouh I get low I heal"-thing?

[mighty valley]

We stacked HP back in the day because being one- or two-shot was a big concern - reducing total damage taken is much more important these days

[drifting glade]

indomitable will give you a steady supply of hp as you spend your rage

impending victory is literally useless until you directly kill something

[plush saffron]

IV can be used at all times

[drifting glade]

oops

you're right

I was thinking of the conduit

[tame jasper]

I thought that too, killing just resets the CD, right?

[drifting glade]

yeah

it'll reset the cd

[tame jasper]

Conduits I use are (Pelagos): Piercing Verdict, Brutal Vitality, Show of FOrce, Stalwart Guardian

[plush saffron]

IV is pretty good. Heals the same % as Renewal does for druids but 1/3 of the CD

[tame jasper]

But I think if I should switch Show of Force to Unnerving Focus or Distrubed the peace

[lavish hare]

I use Last Stand with Bolster a lot to tank, not to save my ass but actively as a SB CD. So instead of Show of Force I get Unnerving Focus

[chilly brook]

Here's the pattern

So chain slam

is a trap

cuz he'll just roar right after

you can eat one unblocked melee

[tame jasper]

I'll try that too. With the more range you can have IP more up I think. Do you yuse IV or Indomitable?

[lavish hare]

Indomitable

Try pulling big packs with avatar, demo clap and last stand. You are like a bulldozer

Charge avatar, demo clap and laststand. Sorry

[tame jasper]

Yeah sure 😉

[median tulip]

Impending Victory isn't bad

17k HP on a 30s CD is pretty damn high, in fact

[chilly brook]

I mean it kinda is

[plush saffron]

lol how?

[chilly brook]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lk3fn9Bzcj6mVR12#fight=9&type=healing&source=196

If I was running Impending Victory

And used it every single time it was up for full value

It would have only have been 51k

Indom is just better

And it's practically impossible to waste indom

[plush saffron]

might want to do your sums again champ

[median tulip]

You have 64k HP, so IV would heal you for 19.2k per, and you have space for 7 casts in that fight

[plush saffron]

theyre different spells. IV is for on demand mass healing while indom is trickle

[chilly brook]

IV is 30 seconds

so no

6 casts

[median tulip]

Your maximum from IV would be 134.4k HP

Your fight lasted 3m15s, 7 castsd

even at 6 it would be 115.2HP

[chilly brook]

3m 15 seconds is only enough for 6

[median tulip]

You do not start with it on CD

[chilly brook]

You can't get a full value cast off at the start lmao

It's just not the play

[hallow phoenix]

Need to account for lowered IV healing due to indomitable's +10% health bonus

[tame jasper]

(When I was asking about maybe specc into IV I was focusing on M+ not raid)

[median tulip]

So? Your overhealing from Indomitable is 10%

[chilly brook]

and what you're forgetting

[hallow phoenix]

and the global it takes to cast IV

[chilly brook]

is my 10% hp from indom

so the value for IV is off

[median tulip]

That's basically 1% difference

[plush saffron]

58k without indom which is 17,4k a cast

multiply that by 6 104.400

[median tulip]

Which is still 121.8k

[plush saffron]

dont know where you got 50k from

[chilly brook]

I forgot one part of the equation

The point still stands you're not getting full value casts on Impending Victory every 30 seconds

[plush saffron]

its not about the number at the end

[chilly brook]

And indom is practically always useful

[median tulip]

You're not getting full value from Indomitable either, with your 10% overhealing.

[plush saffron]

who cares if Indom heals you from 95% to 100%

[chilly brook]

10% on a farm kill

my bad

It's still basically better

overall

even with that lmao

[hallow phoenix]

indom for larger twilight devastations

[median tulip]

TOO SOON

[plush saffron]

you lack the understanding to fully grasp the choice between the two

[chilly brook]

Do I?

Do I really?

[plush saffron]

I run Indom but I can see the positives in IV

[floral pewter]

+10% ehp is not irrelevant either

[chilly brook]

What positives?

If you're having to rely on IV you're fucked anyways

[median tulip]

Well you've basically just sat there and cherry picked holes in the counter arguments while ignoring the same issues with your own analysis

[plush saffron]

so you want to rely on 2% from indom?

[chilly brook]

I don't rely on it?

Because I'm not relying on the self healing anyways

It's just less healing overall that someone has to put in me at no opportunity cost????

And it's almost always valuable

[serene valve]

Nice hole

[median tulip]

Go full glory, spec Never Surrender

[serene valve]

Stop

[chilly brook]

Like fuck me dude clearly that 2.19% overhealing on mythic hungering prog means Indom is just useless

[median tulip]

Did you just go through all your logs to find the lowest overheal to justify yourself?

[chilly brook]

no

I just picked a prog fight?

[plush saffron]

who wouldnt pick a heroic huntsman log

[median tulip]

suuuuuuure

[chilly brook]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/kaleggula#

Feel free to go through my logs yourself

literally just picked the first kill on the most recent prog fight I had as prot

[floral pewter]

If total healing is even vaguely comparable, having a substantial heal on demand seems like it should at least have niche use

[plush saffron]

hungering? lol

[chilly brook]

It doesn't especially when considering the content where it would most likely be useful (dungeons) you get VR procs anyways

[floral pewter]

I mean, I like Indom better too, but I admit I'm surprised how much healing IV can account for

[chilly brook]

It's still behind on my mythic Inerva logs btw

5m fight

[median tulip]

VR requires killing blow

[chilly brook]

indom for 193k

whereas IV would be 180k

[plush saffron]

lol

you look at numbers but not at the applications

[chilly brook]

I'm aware....

[tame jasper]

Well my question was to help out the healer with IV in m+ dungeons :/

[chilly brook]

I said the content where it would be most useful (dungeons) you get procs anyways....

[plush saffron]

haha

cant count on a VR proc

[chilly brook]

And you can't count on IV either lmao

[plush saffron]

IV be nice in dungeons to help during block downtime

[median tulip]

Either is fine.

[plush saffron]

why can't you count on it?

[chilly brook]

@sweet summit plz halp

[sharp mural]

Noob here on prot but, Reprisal leggo is 'bis' for m+ says sticky? cause I don't understand how to use it. How does it proc, intervene an ally? but they don't get hit normally to proc it right

[floral pewter]

Indom is probably smoother for the healer, thus easier. Also, extra EHP

[median tulip]

That sticky is written for 9.0.5 patch, which is tuesday or wednesday next

[chilly brook]

If you're in a situation where a 30% heal every 30 seconds is going to save you, you or someone else is fucking up and it won't help you in the dungeon

[plush saffron]

We all use Indom, we're just looking at the positives in IV. Old mate is just autistically going by overall healing numbers

[sharp mural]

yeah so that's "live" considering my prot is not 200+ or yet

But thanks to notice it in case I missed it appreciated it

[chilly brook]

Super autist bro

[sharp mural]

but I read it like I got to intervene an ally, let him get hit, then start tanking?

[median tulip]

I've tried all three of the options on that tier. They all have their uses. Even Never Surrender (although that's super niche)

[chilly brook]

NS doesn't have any uses rn

period

[sharp mural]

The Wall seems easier to play around with tho

[plush saffron]

lol

[median tulip]

nuReprisal reads like this: "Charge and Intervene grant you Shield Block for 4 seconds, Revenge!, and generates 20 Rage."

[floral pewter]

Reprisal is getting totally redesigned in 9.0.5

Which is Tuesday

[sharp mural]

So tl:dr run reprisal and it's bis for m+

if it works on charge it's easy to use

[median tulip]

"Revenge!" with the exclamation mark is a free cast of Revenge for no Rage

[chilly brook]

Like for real show me a world in which the throughput of IV is actually going to save your run

[sharp mural]

Aight cool, as I said earlier, I main a holy pal / resto sham. But I'm all 15+ so wanna tank a bit now on an alt and I love warrior tanks.

[median tulip]

To get the best out of it you will have to use movement and additional charges/intervenes during the fight.

[sharp mural]

yeah jump out charge back in you mean?

[fast thicket]

IV is only good if there is high damage that lines up relatively well with its CD--which is practically never. lol

[sharp mural]

I'm also considering a goblin rechange for extra jump cause it's such a horrible tank exp

[median tulip]

That's one of the viable strategies, sure. Intervene out, Charge Back is another. Charging a distant caster mob a third.

[sharp mural]

For a 'quick' guide on rotation/talents etc, is wowhead or icyveins the best way here? Like usually some discord heroes update one of those

oh nvm

[chilly brook]

Realistically the only place IV holds value are windows of no mitigation which can be handled either through CDs, external CDs or just simply stepping out of melee

[sharp mural]

guids recourse faq excist

[median tulip]

Goblin would be interesting. So would Highmountain Tauren.

[sharp mural]

Why the tauren?

I need a reason to unlock and play them, would look badass

[median tulip]

Bull Rush racial

[sharp mural]

Dope

[fast thicket]

For sure but like you said, for those windows there are generally better options. It's just not worth in 95% of scenarios.

[sharp mural]

I'll use tanknotes I guess

[median tulip]

also they get 1% Versa and a DR

[chilly brook]

realistically play whatever you'd like race wise

[sharp mural]

Yeah but it's a female zanda troll atm

rip

[chilly brook]

Outside of nose for trouble none of them are particularly that useful

Blood elf purge is nice

[fast thicket]

Dwarf racials are pretty nice but that requires being alliance. lmao

[sharp mural]

my hpal is belf

warrior has to look badass not sweet

so they can see me failing and get 1 shot on invis pack in soa clearly

[median tulip]

ZTroll Embrace of Kimbul Racial can be a surprising amount of damage in multi-target

[chilly brook]

True best race

[fast thicket]

Where are your shoulders mate? You've got to show dominance with big shoulders.

[chilly brook]

Those are on my thundergod tmog