protection

[uneven mason]

overall vs targeted burst.

[jagged pier]

bsc in aoe anyway it big 📈

[north pecan]

Looking forward to reprisal so Kor can be the god soulbind choice

[unique osprey]

Hmm.. so pure ST venthyr maybe is better.. but NF for overall aoe and shit

[uneven mason]

Kyrian or NF

for AE

[jagged pier]

yer but you play with an organized group

[uneven mason]

both are functional

[merry kestrel]

@patent osprey as prot or fury???

[uneven mason]

"yes"

[jagged pier]

he plays both

specs

[patent osprey]

both ^.^

[jagged pier]

your pushing keys tho now raids over right? @patent osprey

as prot

[patent osprey]

i mean i play for like 3 hours a night during push weeks

so I try to haha

hard to compete with the guys playign liking 8 T_T

the work life 😦

[smoky wave]

@patent osprey planning to play around it in m+? Oooh I'm looking forward to seeing this

[patent osprey]

Yeah ^.^ I like to test new things out when raid prog is over

so imma try necro for a few weeks, to a month

probably till sanguine quaking is over

then i might swap to kyrian to try that

[barren socket]

Emeni or Plague Deviser Marileth?

[astral crystal]

can't wait for the slew of "the top rated m+ warrior is kyrian but i thought necrolord was bis????" questions

wish they would've made covenants fully cosmetic

[hexed rune]

yuss

[urban bane]

For NL Veteran's Repute conduit seems kinda strong, no? 10% strength every 2 minutes.

[ornate sky]

correct

[shrewd elm]

Hey guys what is the warrior perception of tank balance in 9.0.5 as it stands now, will prot warrior be wanted ?

[hexed rune]

it'll change with 9.0.5, but I doubt very much

maybe necro prots will be asked for. maybe

[uneven mason]

The only thing that'd change this is if they make a very public point of nerfing VDH into the dirt, until then no one is going to revise their opinions of what tank they want...that being said, we're fine now and will be better in 0.5

[hexed rune]

prot can do pretty much all content.

[uneven mason]

seeing as 99.9999% of people won't do content where the meta is even needed...

[hexed rune]

correct

[shrewd elm]

The reason i asked is because our guild is 1 tank short, we running a VDH and i probably end up taking the second tank spot. How ever i also want to be good in M+

[uneven mason]

Warrior is fine

unless you're trying to push +23s

[deep steppe]

you'll do perfectly fine as a war

[hexed rune]

you can do everything as Prot, and I think Prot is the most fun as well

[uneven mason]

We're incredibly beefy for raid as well

[shrewd elm]

it looks fun, im just a bit scared as it is the only tank without any selfhealing i believe

[hexed rune]

who needs to heal when you don't take damage?

[shrewd elm]

haha

that must be the best answer

[ornate sky]

indomitable and fueled by violence lul

[urban bane]

Ya fwiw re: self-heals, I've had more healers say they appreciate a slowly falling health bar than a ping-ponger

[hexed rune]

Bdk life

[shrewd elm]

i have a 180 ilvl bear but feels so boring xD

tanky but boring

[deep steppe]

thats cause it is lmao

[ornate sky]

only thing more boring than bear is paladin 8-)

[mighty cairn]

owl/cat weaving is p interesting

at least conceptually

[hexed rune]

press iron fur

[shrewd elm]

o, paladin would have been my second pick because of bonking shields

[ornate sky]

press sotr 😄

[uneven mason]

IP works as a damage smoothing absorb. its HPS can top a considerable amount when you have high rage income and are taking a lot of damage.

I've beat our paladins "self healing" on a regular basis

damage prevented > damage restored

[shrewd elm]

aight thanks guys i feel so excited to start leveling !

[uneven mason]

If you're concerned with durability I wouldn't go paladin 😄 they're probably the squishiest tank atm.

[deep steppe]

don't forget DK's exist

[distant crystal]

DK's are tankier than pink prot

[deep steppe]

strong disagree

DK's just selfheal better

[uneven mason]

DKs are very tanky

[deep steppe]

prot paly with SOTR is only like

[uneven mason]

60% mit ><

[deep steppe]

5-10% weaker than prot war with shield block

[distant crystal]

the self-heal is part of their tankiness

you don't need to mitigate if you can just yoyo from 10% to 90% hp by yourself

[wind surge]

dk when they goes to 10% to 90% to 10%

[uneven mason]

quite a bit actually, its just that on average they block enough on top of it that they have a higher mitigation %

but if block doesn't RNGesus up at the time they get smacked with a tank buster, their HP drops like a rock

[uneven mason]

not quite that bad unless you're undergeared.

But yeah like, sludgefist under 30% Is scary on a BDK when you're used to warrior

[deep steppe]

Sloot literally did a math breakdown of all this last night

paladin is close to war

[distant crystal]

oh well if sloot did napkin math

[uneven mason]

yeah, in overall mitigation

[distant crystal]

🤣

[uneven mason]

like my paladin co tank is generally only 3-5% behind me in mit, when you factor in IP smoothing (since that's counted as healing and not mitigation) 5-10% is where it lands.

[deep steppe]

I mean i trust a main tank in BDGG

[uneven mason]

they easily have 5-10% more self healing than us

so its very balanced between the 2

external healing required for us is basically neck and neck

I could probably turtle up a bit more and watch my SB uptime and increase that gap a few % more, but, hit to hit, paladins get slapped harder than warriors and bears

[deep steppe]

Bears are the extreme tanky bois lmao

[uneven mason]

10% when you're dealing with a boss like, Sire or Sludge is a big chunk of change

[distant crystal]

bear is kinda unfair to compare to anybody atm

facetank kings

[uneven mason]

butt tank too

since their armor doesn't care what direction

ours does.

[deep steppe]

what a life

and i mean

[uneven mason]

IF my raid didn't need battleshout I'd be Bur

[dapper coral]

I'm probably swapping from BAER to Warrior

[deep steppe]

I did say pala was /close/ to war

[dapper coral]

Bear life is ez

[deep steppe]

not the same as war

[uneven mason]

Yeah, at the same time, all of the tanks are insanely close this Xpac

[lunar jackal]

Havent been here in a long time. We gonna be swapping talents in 9.0.5?

[uneven mason]

at least in raid settings

[deep steppe]

v-true. You can do pretty much all content as any tank

[uneven mason]

so, my statment of Paladins are the squishiest

is like comparing 10 to 10.5

[deep steppe]

Bolster -> AM with reprisal

outside of that i think Mwahi is doing testing

[lunar jackal]

So no so far?

[deep steppe]

right but i'd say on this scale, DK's are like an 10.7

[distant crystal]

so the reprisal nerfs just mean warr isn't gonna be broken

but still strong?

[jagged pier]

this was a fun run

[deep steppe]

[wooden radish]

prot pal is only "squishy" if you're bad and don't have experience playing it

[uneven mason]

I had an easier time tanking normal at 171 on my BDK than I did at 178 on my Protadin.

[distant crystal]

Endless nameless warrior

[uneven mason]

but thats just feelycraft I guess

[thick rover]

Im sure it has been talked about already but I'm new here so here goes,any chance necrolord prot warriors are gonna be viable now with the updated signature/covenant ability?

[jagged pier]

[uneven mason]

"viable"

[deep steppe]

^

[austere stream]

[dusty mason]

Mind telling how u get covs to show up in details

[jagged pier]

addon

[deep steppe]

jakey is here to lay down the law

[amber herald]

yeah it's viable but the patch is putting them on par with the other three

[dusty mason]

Ah extra addon gotcha

[amber herald]

because right now necro is bad

so play what you want pretty much

it's not like necro is suddenly omega bis or anything

[jagged pier]

its liek details cov extender or somthing

[twilit jay]

im playing all specs, think i should stay kyrian or swap to NF?

[jagged pier]

ithers good for that dpends where u arms and fury and where u prot

[dusty mason]

Gotcha thanks jakey

[uneven mason]

personal preference

[twilit jay]

sounds good, my guild is pushing me towards kyrian saying that its the only good one lol

[lunar jackal]

Your guild is dumb

[jagged pier]

well it depends if u can in raid and dps m+ and pvp i would say kyrain, if u dps raid and tank keys id say NF

[torpid cliff]

I may be crazy, but fortified weeks seem a lot more difficult that tyrannical weeks. At 15 people just YOLO trash mechanics.. stand in shit, no kicks..

[jagged pier]

nah it sway easier if interupts happen

[twilit jay]

probably be DPS raid and tank as a backup, lots of M+ and pvp

[torpid cliff]

At least they do shit on bosses

[jagged pier]

but its more noticable on higher keys where bosses take like 5mins on tyran weeks

[astral crystal]

dps prefer fort weeks, tanks and healers prefer tyran

packs living longer = BIG NUMBERS

[jagged pier]

difficult choice kyrain is better for pvp than NF, but its the worst out the 2 for dps in raid

[twilit jay]

its a close call lol

[jagged pier]

yer

[deep steppe]

im unsure what the NF equal is but, dont forget Kyrian has pot

[jagged pier]

just pick your favourite id say

[deep steppe]

I know its not dam related but, pot can be pog

[barren socket]

kleia on necrotic weeks really good too

[twilit jay]

guess ill wait a bit to see what content i end up doing most and go from there

[barren socket]

I think I will roll necro just to spice things up

[uneven mason]

Yeah You've gotta explain your expectations that they interrupt etc..

[barren socket]

a little change

like 4 months pressing spear already

[covert cradle]

I'm having a hard time trying to decide if I should swap to nec for raid. I know my RL is gushing at the thought of having that mastery on our dps.

[uneven mason]

I'm not swapping because I'm tired of grinding renown on my warrior lol NF was my 3rd cov

I need to catch my Bear/BDK/VDH/Pal up

[deep steppe]

if simp, swap, if not simp, tell dps to git gud

[uneven mason]

the valor changes will be a nice change.

[covert cradle]

I already swapped just to give us battle shout.

[floral pewter]

Does Reprisal make mastery better enough to change stat priority at all (eg, crafting the leggo as haste/mastery), or am I just overthinking it?

[smoky wave]

I hope so, the game seems determined to only give me high mystery items.

[deep steppe]

as far as i am aware we will still want haste vers/crit mostly

[mighty cairn]

vers prob too important in higher keys

[ornate sky]

crit gets better from best served cold too

[sweet summit]

how so?

[ornate sky]

parry is more value?

[sweet summit]

nah its still 3rppm

[lunar jackal]

Bsc? Is that a thing now?

[ornate sky]

oh damn revenge! 😦

[sweet summit]

the Revenge! buff got changed from BFA to SL

curse blizzard!

[valid zodiac]

That moment when you think legs legendary will already start climbing in price but its actually dropping massively in price

[sinful aspen]

In like 3 weeks which will be better and more useful for raids blood dk or prot still cant choose :(

Im thinking prot would be best to add more ranged dps and replace our melee

[chilly brook]

Doesnt matter

You're gonna be better off running whatever you play best on

[brave jetty]

do we know if Reprisal is going to be a damage loss compared to Thunderlord's right now?

[chilly brook]

Probably not

Since reprisal means you run AM

And potentially BSC

[deep steppe]

and potentially UF

[brave jetty]

yes assuming all the correct talents for TL

[deep steppe]

[chilly brook]

One can only hope

[wanton condor]

doubt

[fallow beacon]

Sorry I'm sure its been asked but can't find an answer with search - does necro banner target 2 nearest and lock the buff on for 15 sec, or is does it change to different targets as different people move closer?

[deep steppe]

we wait for our lord and savior Mwahi to confirm. He was testing it on ptr

[sinful aspen]

I have exp with both

[wanton condor]

I'm not quite sure how simc does charge and intervene else I'd write up an apl to test it

[ionic fern]

Test what?

[wanton condor]

if UF is good now

[deep steppe]

with reprisal

[ionic fern]

Why would you need charge/intervene for that?

👀

Oh.

[wanton condor]

for reprisal triggering revenge stuff

[ionic fern]

I'm still in the process of implementing Reprisal.

[wanton condor]

awesome

[deep steppe]

^

nothing to do now but jam

[chilly brook]

I can't wait for Mwahi to implement UF

Kekw

[ionic fern]

As far as i saw on PTR it just gave the buff to the targets you were nearest to at the time.

[deep steppe]

[ionic fern]

I'm still waiting for Mwahi to implement Shield Slam.

[chilly brook]

Lol

How goes the key pushing btw?

[wanton condor]

the main change I made to the apl I use right now is that there's some futzing with shield block usage

[fallow beacon]

Excellent, cheers

[ionic fern]

Diddn't end up pushing much since i had to get up early.
We did one 19 and one 20.

Will do more tonight tho.

[wanton condor]

thinking about how I would write in intervene/charge use

[chilly brook]

A 20 is a 20 tho

My guy Mwahi going for that r.io clout

[strong forum]

Did someone say cloud

[sonic tangle]

Question: is there any way to make the tank adds from Hidden Desires on m-Darkvein more noticeable? I turned my graphics down and it helped, but when there's a bunch of shit going on its hard to see where they're spawning at times

[strong forum]

Install eyes patch 1.3
Idk, I run at low particle setting, rest on ultra and I see them just fine

Gotta focus a bit

[rain lava]

arent they part of the boss frames too?

[strong forum]

It's about the facing images ability

[jolly thistle]

play with headphones, you can hear where they spawn

[ionic fern]

When ever someone mentions cloud it always reminds me of this classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbOJkOoJh6Y&ab_channel=PD

[strong forum]

Just gotta look real close idk, never seemed an issue :/

[sonic tangle]

My eyes are focusing but my brain is like too much red where are things

[strong forum]

F

[wanton condor]

same reason I get hit by every single volcanic when playing ele shaman

looks the exact same as a lvb cast, red on red

(also my WA is probably too high up on the screen)

[sonic tangle]

Its not much of an issue until further in, just seeing if there's anyway to make it easier. Ill just get my zoomer eyes on

[chilly brook]

Turn on game sound

No meme

[signal plover]

Also a weak aura that shows the duration helps a bit

[chilly brook]

Very distinct sound when they spawn and its directional

[sonic tangle]

I noticed that, and it helps. Im just having issues at times later on when there's a lot going on. Maybe I should just hard focus on that instead of everything else too

[fallow beacon]

I guess slight follow up on my necro banner question - anyone know of a weakaura that would track your two nearest party members?

[chilly brook]

Just spin in the direction of the sound

You dont have to be directly facing it

Just within a pretty generous cone

[fickle timber]

Got KSM before buffs

Pog

[sweet turtle]

Do you think prot is going to be a bigger contender in M+ after the buffs?

[fickle timber]

Yeah

1000x

[sweet turtle]

I miss tanking on my prot warrior

[fickle timber]

I think it’ll take a few for it to catch on

I love prot now

Can’t wait for buffs

[chilly brook]

Then tank on prot.....

Nothing is stopping you lmao

[sweet turtle]

My Veng outperforms my prot warrior

[chilly brook]

Ok

[fickle timber]

Meta brain

[chilly brook]

I guess we better tell the dudes doing 20s and above as prot to reroll now

[jolly thistle]

👉🚪

[chilly brook]

[fickle timber]

Hahahaha

[deep steppe]

[outer bronze]

except for limit max's tier list!

lol

is a jab at meta slaves, incase anyone reads that as serious

👀

[rugged finch]

Prot go necro now?

[uneven mason]

Many of us were prot at the start of BFA when we were sleeper 🧱

[chilly brook]

Like my BrM "outperformed" my warrior in EP I still fought like hell to be able to play it because I like prot

[uneven mason]

tier lists are clickbait for smoothbrains

[deep steppe]

[chilly brook]

And most people aren't even at a level where the "outperforming" even matters

[deep steppe]

only high end/100% always play around it simp groups

[ionic fern]

• the "meta" people following them

[deep steppe]

if you arent in those categories, then Kyrian/NF will prolly be better

[outer bronze]

cant wait to simp for my boomies 😩

[deep steppe]

what a nice man. I just tell my dps to git gud

[outer bronze]

my prot war has such shit gear tho. considering buying boes

only done weekly vaults for a few weeks

still want some gear for my guardian dru this tier before i take prot to reclears D:

[strong forum]

28% haste in regular gear and rising

[outer bronze]

zooming

[deep steppe]

[chilly brook]

Why isn't there a goku super saiyan emote in this damn discord....

Smh

Outside emotes when

[deep steppe]

^ Nom with all that haste

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-super-saiyan-goku-gif-5009523

[potent crypt]

necro gona be worst 9.0.5?

[jagged pier]

[dusty warren]

I'm thinking of rerolling from DK to war in this patch because the buffs. We will probably fight with dh for the meta or is it too early?

[jagged pier]

we are brought up going to be meta to early to tell

[rain lava]

and DK seems to be fine, no?

[twin scarab]

DK was already fine but im excited for the lego changes

[hardy canyon]

Hey, I looked at the pins but there is no mention of Thunderlord leg, is it not worth anymore?

[sterile moss]

reprisal is better now with the changes

[rain lava]

yeah, and DK was nearly always fun. So dont really see any reason to reroll, except for personal preference of course. But then, its always a yes if you dont enjoy your current spec, no matter the meta*

*might not apply to world first raiders/m+ leaderboard

[hardy canyon]

Ok, thanks 👍

[rigid elm]

Is reprisal on a 190 better than Thunder lords at 235? That soul ash grind is rough

[sterile moss]

is reprisal worth an ilvl loss of ~2.5? probably

[shrewd elm]

any zandalari prot warriors here?

wanting to know what blessing to take xD

[modern brook]

gonk or bust (paku for basically every class ever)

[waxen cradle]

What are we looking at uptime wise for SBlock, upwards of like 90ish % or so with Reprisal

granted of course without Bolster we would easily have 100% uptime, but I am talking in terms of AM usage

[modern brook]

"enough"

[rain lava]

long enough for pulls to be over or you kiting anyway

[sterile moss]

it should be virtually 100% at the times that you need it, accounting for downtime in m+

[uneven mason]

If your pulls are outlasting the 24s of SB we're engaging with using reprisal its time to talk to your DPS

[waxen cradle]

Yeah figured that would be the case, been setting on Soul Ash for well a long damn time so r4 reprisal here I come

[strong forum]

80%++ with reprisal

Of raw uptime

[potent crypt]

if thunderclap buff maybe we can go BFA mode with Anger Management + Unstoppable force?

reprisal maybe dont need cap haste

i think

[strong forum]

You will still want haste

UF will be less bad, yes

[uneven mason]

don't need cap haste anyway? But haste still will be our strongest stat

[potent crypt]

and build? with Anger Management + Unstoppable force?

big dmg

[waxen cradle]

I still do not feel UF will be worth it as with Reprisal BSC will actually see a lot of play from me

[strong forum]

Am + Rav + bsc

But UF is competetive

It's just gonna be less rage

But sameish dmg

[mellow gorge]

wait the 10% aura buff, what is it exactly for prots? i'm confused a bit

[strong forum]

+10% dmg

[mellow gorge]

ah

that is nice

[potent crypt]

all spell 10% and thudner clap 10% more

?

is a 20%

[strong forum]

Everything +10%

And ontop of those +10%, TC gets another 10%

[waxen cradle]

all 10%, TClap a additional 10%

[mossy sluice]

700 damage thunderclaps

hyuge

[stiff osprey]

does it make sense to switch to NF/Kyrian for prot if im venthyr due to Fury?

based on all the upcoming changes

[strong forum]

Yes if you plan on maining prot

[waxen cradle]

does make me wonder if Crit will see higher value than it has now in a BSC build, I would not imagine it would make a huge difference, but it does make me wonder

[strong forum]

Crit will have the same value

The revenge proc is 3rppm

[sterile moss]

you'll be happy with nf as fury in m+

[strong forum]

Getting more parry won't change that

[waxen cradle]

Yeah true forgot about the 3 rppm

well did not forget so much as not take that into account when I said what I did earlier

[uneven mason]

Crit is already a pumper stat

[waxen cradle]

@uneven mason Yeah true, I try and stack on as much Haste, and Vers as I can but as I do not play Arms or Fury much and pvp, I do not have access to that vers so I get more crit/haste gear than I would like

[potent crypt]

haste > versa > crit?

[strong forum]

For raid yes

For m+ haste > vers=crit

[potent crypt]

anyway versa if yo go high keys i think

?

[strong forum]

Ultra keys

[waxen cradle]

I still would like to have more Vers, but that would require pvping and I rarely dps so no weapon or good dps trinkets

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[strong forum]

I dropped 4% vers yesterday

Felt nice

[uneven mason]

I hate that corruption stacking meme

[jagged pier]

im at like 13-15% vers and feel fine in 17 keys i know that isnt high but that is for me

[potent crypt]

xD

[waxen cradle]

I set anywhere between 10 to 13% vers on average

[jolly thistle]

21% crit 📈

[strong forum]

Bruh I wish

I had 21% crit, I have fucking 10

[waxen cradle]

honestly losing haste feels way worse than losing vers so I am ok with it

[jagged pier]

bruh i was i had 10

i have like 6

[strong forum]

8 is minimum no?

No 5

5 is minimum

[jagged pier]

i dunno

[wanton condor]

you can check how competitive UF is compared to the rest now, just run a sim and add another 10% of the TC damage as I don't think it changes the priority list

see if that moves it up

[jagged pier]

i know i have less than 10

[barren socket]

I think i got mastery in all my pieces 40% atm lmao

[strong forum]

I had 9 for the longest time, but inerva ring saved me

[barren socket]

223ilvl

[mellow gorge]

is night fae for 15+s better than kyrian or is there little to no difference?

[strong forum]

Little to no difference

Kyrian is more defensive

NF is more pump

[mellow gorge]

Alrighty

[strong forum]

Pwar covenants are disgustingly versatile and I hate it

[waxen cradle]

The only places I play around with my secondary's are on rings, and neck anyway, that is where my vers/crit tends to vary or swap around

[strong forum]

Necro for max raid dmg
Venthyr for max personal raid dmg
NF for max m+ dmg and solid raid dmg
Kyrian for overall use, good m+ and raid dmg and most defensive

I hate it

Just make 1 thing absolutely best

[austere stream]

Just don't take any?

[mellow gorge]

best option right there

[waxen cradle]

But but choice *ahem... fake choice" but choice

[dense flame]

Well, I hope Prog raid for dps/tank align.

[hardy pawn]

Ursols and get rid of dots > everything else in M+ for me

Can't trust these pug healers to dispel me

[dense flame]

Gonna swap NF soon as sire dead.

[strong forum]

NF is still huge raid dmg

[wanton condor]

if you're just gonna raid you don't even need a covenant

[uneven mason]

nf super 4 burst

[strong forum]

Venthyr is overrated for dps, unless you're arms

[wanton condor]

just yolo mercenary it

[dense flame]

Yeah arms prog on sire for P3

[uneven mason]

Yeah arms can give some pain on sire from SS + sword condemn

[waxen cradle]

I have considered going NFae many times, and literally the only reason for me to go NFae would be for the damage

[dense flame]

Padlord of remoria

[uneven mason]

its not padding

since the sword dmg is delt to Sire

[dense flame]

[barren socket]

so which necro soulbind would you guys recomend? emeni or plague advisor

[strong forum]

The only thing stopping me from going NF is renown grind, conduit grind and not having phial

[strong forum]

Anemumeneme

[uneven mason]

losing phial hurts the most

[dense flame]

Yeah sucks man. Wish renown transferred

[barren socket]

man emeni conduit path kinda suck

like only 1 potency and 3 defensive

[wet compass]

so anyone here good at wow addons?

[potent crypt]

necro vs kryrians?

[wet compass]

I'd legit pay someone 50 bucks to get bejewled working again

[waxen cradle]

@strong forum Well yeah that is also a big part, but if I made the swap I would just commit to the grind. Plus I am DiD alliance so I have that cleanse

[wanton condor]

potency conduits kind of suck for prot though

pot/def/def/fin is probably the best

[iron totem]

literally 3 days farm,and the first calling give you the missing conduit

[rain lava]

are there any other mobs where phial is as nice as for the bear dots in HoA and the dodgeable gargoyle dot in sanguine depths?

[strong forum]

Yeah that's too much

[patent osprey]

I may or may not be at around 33% verse unbuffed

[jolly thistle]

nasty

[patent osprey]

def not too much ^.^

[wanton condor]

bonecarvers it's nice for I guess?

[hardy pawn]

Last boss of plaguefall

[patent osprey]

Gimme 6% more 😄

[strong forum]

40% is the real breakpoint, before that ain't worth

[patent osprey]

yeah still have 6% to go 🙂

[rain lava]

where the bonecarvers at?

[strong forum]

Can't get more this patch

[wanton condor]

NW

[strong forum]

Sooo. Yeah

[patent osprey]

gotta survive last boss PF some how man

[strong forum]

33% is max vers you can get

[patent osprey]

u see

i run my SLG trinket

and 4 others run it in my party

then itll be like 36% or something

[strong forum]

Big 0.3% more!

[rain lava]

huge!

[strong forum]

Or well, 1%

[patent osprey]

with food buff

honestly ive never been slapped around more as a prot war, and felt more helpless than a 22 PF before it was nerfed

[strong forum]

That requires Str and agi users tho

[patent osprey]

on the last boss

[hardy pawn]

The only part of Plaguefall I like is the timer

Everything else can fuck off

[strong forum]

Kyrian 📈 cleanse the debuff when dicey

[patent osprey]

see that would work @strong forum but every phase feels dicey as prot war on that last boss lol

[strong forum]

How, p1 is pride, p2 is lust p3 is AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[jolly thistle]

just stoneform...

[dense flame]

BFA rise up

[hardy pawn]

Let me spell reflect the dot onto her 🙏

[patent osprey]

u dont do pride on high keys for last boss

[waxen cradle]

I play DiD so having 2 cleanses feels amazing for dungeons with a lot of cleansable debuffs.

[patent osprey]

If u try to pride last boss, ull use all ur cds just to kill hte pride lol

[strong forum]

On 22 I'd say it's well worth it

Ah tru I guess

The thing has to Die...

[potent crypt]

wwhat covenant go prot in 9.0.5?

[rain lava]

[strong forum]

Necro for max raid dmg
Venthyr for max personal raid dmg
NF for max m+ dmg and solid raid dmg
Kyrian for overall use, good m+ and raid dmg and most defensive

[waxen cradle]

Also I like the feeling when I heroic leap as a dwarf. It feels like a midget being fired out of a cannon

[midnight stone]

Yeah but a strong midget

[hardy pawn]

I feel like as a Panda I should do more damage or a stun or something when I land

[waxen cradle]

A very hairy, pissed off, manly, and likely drunk midget

[strong forum]

You forgot manly

And not a midget

But a man

[hardy pawn]

Vertically challenged

[waxen cradle]

Probably as a Panda or Kul Tiran when you hit something it should go flying off, like you just hit it with a wrecking ball

[strong forum]

No

All you do is flab your fat around

[waxen cradle]

lol

[strong forum]

You're like a real life gummy bear

[snow lance]

Has anyone messed around with seismic-reverberation?

[waxen cradle]

Of course there is something to be said for getting something that has that much extra weight flying through the air. Makes 100% sense why the ground cracks when we land.

[jolly thistle]

still laughing at "vertically challenged"

[lavish raptor]

Does anyone know what the numeric difference is between a ilvl 200 shield and 220 shield? What am i missing out on

[snow lance]

I think it should pump.

[sterile moss]

lots of valuable armor and even more importantly block

[snow lance]

Block*

The most important part

[lavish raptor]

Whats the differenc ein block chance? Im not familiar with the values

[snow lance]

It’s block value

[rain lava]

does anyone know how block actually work now?

[snow lance]

It blocks more dmg

Higher block = block more dmg

[rain lava]

i mean the formular

[snow lance]

All you need to know

Higher ilvl shield

[uneven mason]

think of block value like a 2nd layer of armor mitigation that is multiplicative with the first

scales about the same as armor iirc

[snow lance]

Will always be better then lower ilvl

[rain lava]

guys, i understand the concept of block

[snow lance]

Regardless of stars

Stats*

[uneven mason]

IDK if we mathed out what the new k value is for the exact calc

[snow lance]

Don’t think it matters

[sterile moss]

i think 20 ilvl is something like 3% more block value

[snow lance]

Higher ilvl will always be better. All that matters.

[uneven mason]

He asked for the formula, common sense says ilvl will always be better yes. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[snow lance]

What we should be talking about is

Is this seismic buff

[sweet summit]

9.0.5 brings a new k formula?

[uneven mason]

No

[snow lance]

And running it with best served cold

For the fat deeps

[uneven mason]

I Mean compared to BFA

[sterile moss]

it is meme dps though

[sweet summit]

oh we have SL values

Level 60 K-values
Base/open world: 2500
M0/M+: 2455.0
Castle Nathria LFR: 2500.0
Castle Nathria Normal: 2662.5
Castle Nathria Heroic: 2845.0
Castle Nathria Mythic: 3050.0

[uneven mason]

kk

thx

last time I had looked was back in beta

[distant crystal]

[rain lava]

what are the k-values?

[uneven mason]

never felt the need to dig again, as it just as Aisnator said -doesn't really matter for practice

[jolly thistle]

block reduction [%] = block / (block + K value)

[distant crystal]

it's a variable that sets how good block is, basically

[snow lance]

Sure

[lavish oracle]

@rain lava it's a constant used for a bunch of defensive calculations

[uneven mason]

When DR from armor is calculated, it uses K value as the NPCs "attack" more or less, so its a mitigator on our damage reduction, harder content will hit harder.

[lavish oracle]

Changes depending on what content you're doing

[rain lava]

and they made that content specific? so my block is actually stronger in m+ than in raid?

[quasi orbit]

So that new 10% prot warrior aura

Is that gonna be like a stance thing or like a passive ability ?

[jolly thistle]

yes

[uneven mason]

Yes XaV

[rain lava]

wtf

[snow lance]

Math is hard.

[rain lava]

thanks for the info btw. couldnt find it anywhere

[distant crystal]

it's kinda necessary

[uneven mason]

Auras are what they call the class tuning buffs, its not anything new, we've had them since uh...WoD

[quasi orbit]

Ohh ok

[uneven mason]

Aura is a "hidden" buff attached to your spec.

[distant crystal]

if block was the same everywhere it would be busted af in raid

[quasi orbit]

But I'm cofused @uneven mason because they have a list of abilities from other classes/

So does that mean warriors overall are getting buffed?

[distant crystal]

so rather than make it balanced for raid and doodoo in m+, enter K

[quasi orbit]

Cause it says Prot Warrior Aura

[uneven mason]

Thats because they were copy/paste lazy when they filled the aura

[quasi orbit]

ohhhh ok

[snow lance]

^

[uneven mason]

literally grabbed every warrior ability spell ID and dumped it in, in the past they "prune" abilities that shouldn't be attached to the spec

from the list

[quasi orbit]

Ok now it makes sense

[snow lance]

But does it matter?

[uneven mason]

but when you dont pay people what theyre worth that is what you get

[snow lance]

Idk about that.. it’s not really a high priority detail.

[uneven mason]

Blizzard used to be extremely anal about details and quality

[rain lava]

wait, why would it be busted in raid? isnt nearly every tanking stat and ability relative dmg reduction (or at least effective health increase)?

[lavish escarp]

Hi guys:) frustrated ex-prot here, does anyone know what blizzard planning for us next patch/tier?

[snow lance]

The game used to be a lot less complex

[uneven mason]

I mean, its pretty strong in raid.

[uneven mason]

next tier? no.

[snow lance]

Buffs!

[distant crystal]

@uneven mason now imagine if K value didn't exist and it was even better!

[uneven mason]

I tanked in Cataclysm

RIP single roll combat system

[distant crystal]

same

but i was a bear 🐻

[snow lance]

Fuzzy wuzzy was a bear.

[uneven mason]

TBC to Cataclysm, 100% unhittable warriors, may you be mourned

[median tulip]

Was that the thing where you could push crits entirely off the possible results?

[distant crystal]

but M+ didn't exist in cata so dungeon mitigation tuning was less of an issue

[uneven mason]

Try hits, any hits

you either Missed/dodged/parry/block

[distant crystal]

pushing crits off was like, bare minimum to be a tank

[snow lance]

I miss armor pen

[distant crystal]

but the gods would push plain hits off too

[uneven mason]

mostly it was because we were pushing block so high that we were like 50% critical blocks

[distant crystal]

CTC, i miss ye

[uneven mason]

pushing Crits off was required and very easy todo as a warrior (Press shield block)

[median tulip]

I quit at the end of TBC and only came back with lockdown in BfA, so...

[dense flame]

No you don’t miss AP

[uneven mason]

but our original mastery in Cataclysm was so OP for blocking

that instead of nerfing block

[dense flame]

That was degenerate system

[uneven mason]

they literally just put block on its own check

[dense flame]

Especially if they ever brought back AP and AP trinkets

[uneven mason]

ArP with SBV stacking PVP Prot, patch 3.1 to 3.3

[dense flame]

[distant crystal]

oh you mean ArP

[uneven mason]

"LOL Yes keep hitting me, oh did I one shot you?"

[distant crystal]

i was like what's so bad about AP, we still have that in a roundabout way

[uneven mason]

the gnomergan auto blocker on use SBV infusion

made shield slam hit harder than mortal strike

[snow lance]

guys the new meme is revenge

Trust me

[distant crystal]

memba when prot was the only viable warrior spec

for either role

[uneven mason]

No

[distant crystal]

glad stance baby

[uneven mason]

I wouldn't have called prot "Viable" in WoD

not until like, HFC

maybe mid BRF

Fury was ok in Highmaul after the initial fixes

[chilly brook]

Wtb glad stance pls

[uneven mason]

I mean, they'll give us glad stance back

[chilly brook]

In WoD classic?

[uneven mason]

and leave our dmg values the same "LOL Now you can be as shitty as the community thinks you are!"

[chilly brook]

Kekw

[cloud tide]

guys how good are new warrior changes?

[uneven mason]

"Tank like a DPS, DPS like a tank" #Warrior

They're good and address some of our QoL issues.

[cloud tide]

like what im not warrior main

[uneven mason]

Don't expect us to be the 2nd coming of Thor though

Reprisal legendary changes remove our issue of chosing between aggro or defense on engage

giving us a large rage income and 2 free procs

so we have SB for free, and can revenge for free on engage for snap aggro

in addition for providing us 40 rage for either IP or, 2 more revenges for more pumps

[cloud tide]

is that for m+ only?

[uneven mason]

Yeah

We're already strong in raid

[cloud tide]

ah

[uneven mason]

don't need addressing there.

10% more damage to

[distant crystal]

i doubt warr is gonna dethrone vdh but it'll close the gap bigly

[uneven mason]

so that'll be nice.

[cloud tide]

is wall still best for raid?

[potent crypt]

vdh get nerf in 9.0.5

big nerf

xD

[uneven mason]

Nothing will dethrone VDH until we reach a point where face tanking large packs and DPS reach a equilibrium point.

[cloud tide]

is it really that big?

[potent crypt]

conduits fire mark conduit nerf

[uneven mason]

its actually a minor buff

in a round about way

but you know.

[sick sentinel]

Okay so is kyrian go to for new players? It seems most safe option with the potion and spear. Necrolord sure is strong but not for pugging keys right?

[uneven mason]

It doesn't address what makes VDH the meta tank

[distant crystal]

the dh discord is calling that a buff but

[uneven mason]

Kyrian will give you the best defensive toolkit

[distant crystal]

seems like not much of a change either way idk

[uneven mason]

its this.

[median tulip]

What I really want is the suppression effect from Condemn to be added to Revenge, so attacking mobs reduces the damage they deal to us

[potent crypt]

i read conduits change

for me is a big nerf for fire mark build

and nerf all covenats

[sterile moss]

people are going to start expecting us to be necro, but it's not the play for pugging m+

[uneven mason]

taking less damage has nothing to do with why VDH is big

[rancid ember]

The VDH Conduit change is a buff for sure.

[potent crypt]

necor dh is strong

but kyrians GG

[rancid ember]

More uptime on Fel Dev is huge

[potent crypt]

ye but

kyrian seal nerf dmg

[rancid ember]

Demon form > Fiery brand

[potent crypt]

and conduit

[uneven mason]

Ok?

They deal a bit less burst

[rancid ember]

Necessary nerf it was too strong

[uneven mason]

but are still capable of dealing a lot of burst from range

and can use 6s of meta every 1min to build massive aggro with breath

[rancid ember]

Now every 49 - 50 sec 😄

[uneven mason]

combined with spreading brand

right

like, they didn't do anything to adress VDH, they literally made it so more smoothbrainers can actually execute what makes it meta

[potent crypt]

necro is gona be strong dmg

[uneven mason]

Not going to be shocked when demonic sees a "2.4 Divine Storming" level nerf

[potent crypt]

when demons explote

[uneven mason]

in 9.1

[potent crypt]

i wachint trill last night trying dmg with havoc

[cloud tide]

im suprised that prot pala still didnt get any mitigation buffs

[potent crypt]

24k hit dummie demon explosion

i wwanna back my war 😦

[dark lark]

for the banner buff, players just have to be next to me on application, and then they can go back into range right?

or does it change dynamically

[uneven mason]

ya

[dark lark]

ty

[signal plover]

Yeh that seems to be the consensus

[distant crystal]

oh i thought it was an aura

[potent crypt]

mage on my raid say em i will tank with you ^^

combustion fan wwar

[distant crystal]

so everyone would be fighting to be in the warrior's model

[dark lark]

@distant crystal i was low key hoping that would've been the case for the meme

[deep steppe]

sludgefist will be fun

[potent crypt]

i dont know if change necro this week or wait patch

[cloud tide]

closest person gets buff?

2

[dark lark]

man, banner + conduit + emeni trait will be giga strength too

[potent crypt]

yes

mages love you

mage slove banner

[dark lark]

I heard fire mage's best stats are haste vers now, not mastery anymore

[distant crystal]

they're a bit of an all-statter now

[brittle elbow]

Depents

[distant crystal]

but mastery is prob the worst

[potent crypt]

when they combustioning

mastery is god gift

[signal plover]

Not as strong as it is for boomy/hunter/uhdk

[hardy pawn]

Fire mage players smell bad Frost all day baybee

[potent crypt]

UHDK fan your banner xD

[distant crystal]

ignite is below fireblast

for most mages in ST

[brittle elbow]

Yes

[distant crystal]

it was never really a great stat for fire even in bfa

it's just that blaster master was a thing, and then masterful was a thing

bm made masterful good, and masterful made mastery good

[potent crypt]

people inv prot if you ahve banner 😛

new PI priest

banner war

xD

[uneven mason]

Probably not

people are apes and have no idea what is used why.

[hardy pawn]

PI the tank pls thank you

[distant crystal]

things venthyr pinkprots say

unironically

[sweet summit]

[hardy pawn]

Honestly I'm surprised Ret's didn't get a buff

Getting out dpsed by holy paladins

[uneven mason]

same boat as fury

[cloud tide]

ret is pretty decent no?

[uneven mason]

ST crap - AE Burst is strong

[hardy pawn]

I do miss playing fury sometimes

The survivability was so nice

[cloud tide]

but bros

isnt bad that prot has to depend on legendary to be good in m+

[jagged pier]

we are good in m+ already

[uneven mason]

Its literally the reason why VDH is good?

[cloud tide]

reaLLY?

[uneven mason]

yeah no CD on Brand

stacking big CDs with no CD

[distant crystal]

eh

[uneven mason]

same with Guardian

[distant crystal]

fiery leggo is great but vdh is still p nice

aside

[uneven mason]

I mean, we're good in M+ already, this just addresses QoL (that is, newb traps)

We can grab aggro without worring about geting shit on in the first 3 seconds due ot not spending rage on block

[cloud tide]

i mean

[deep steppe]

prot war is not bad like people like to meme about it

[cloud tide]

i was playing vdh without conduit firey brand and i still felt really strong

[deep steppe]

and you can play prot without reprisal and its still really strong

or without the wall

[patent osprey]

^

[distant crystal]

vdh utility fits nicely w/ the dps meta

[cloud tide]

what about wirlwind and execute?

[deep steppe]

You never press whirlwind as prot

[austere stream]

I don't even have WW on my bar.

[deep steppe]

literally never

[uneven mason]

WW Isn't an ability ever for prot

execute is pumpers

[austere stream]

The only time I ever use WW is when my SS procs it in Torghast.

[hardy pawn]

There are people that actually press ww?

[jagged pier]

apprently

[jolly thistle]

[cloud tide]

i didnt use it never i just asked

for confirm

[plush tendon]

What yall talking about, WW is great! Sure it costs more rage then revenge and does less damage, but its great!

[jagged pier]

☝️

[deep steppe]

[cloud tide]

but why did they even add it

then

[hardy pawn]

Doesn't it even hit less targets than revenge?

[coral crest]

Hello !!

[deep steppe]

"de-pruning"

[coral crest]

The change from kyrian to necrolord is confirmed ?

[deep steppe]

no

[hardy pawn]

[plush tendon]

More in the position of play what you want 😄

which is ideal

[coral crest]

oooh ok sorry

[plush tendon]

I joined the banner club last night; I personally wanted to get a headstart on that renown regrind : ^)

but hey, if it turns out that I hate it, I can always go back

[distant crystal]

renown is so fast

might as well grind all 4 up

[hardy pawn]

Stick around for the bug mounts then go back :^)

[cloud tide]

what about shield cast for necrolord is that good?

[plush tendon]

I think its interesting, not as good as phial though

[deep steppe]

the shield is /ok/

[plush tendon]

More balanced now, but Phial is really strong

[deep steppe]

I personally think phial is like

[cloud tide]

but phial doesnt remove sht in mythic raid

[deep steppe]

busted

[jagged pier]

it does

[cloud tide]

on slg

[prime nymph]

kyrian is just so good.

[cloud tide]

it doesnt

[deep steppe]

it removes the same stuff in mythic that it does in heroic & normal

[prime nymph]

necro seems ok. kinda.

[plush tendon]

yea, but Necro tmog is fire

[prime nymph]

this is true

[plush tendon]

also, there are not enough of Necrolords

[deep steppe]

pvp/raid set is better doe

[prime nymph]

necro lord is the simp cove

simping for balance druids

[deep steppe]

^

[plush tendon]

Debatable

[deep steppe]

you dare questions my completely subjective opinion on this matter sir?!

how dare you

😤

[plush tendon]

At least we can both agree they are better then the Kyrian set XD

[hardy pawn]

If you're not using the exiles reach set as plate you're playing the game wrong

[deep steppe]

you mean you don't like having giant cup holders on your shoulders?

[hardy pawn]

I wish the Kyrian set wasn't so bad man

[plush tendon]

I dont like being a lamppost

[hardy pawn]

It could have been so cool

[deep steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/lamp-kid-fail-bump-gif-5434924

^kyrian armor wearers

[prime nymph]

does anyone know the range

of the banners mastery effect

[uneven mason]

2 closest people

[deep steppe]

infinity range?

[plush tendon]

yea, so first youll have walk to your nearest boomy, give him a smooch, then charge in

[distant crystal]

tooltip just says 2 nearest but probably 40yds or something

[hardy pawn]

Or, kick the boomie and get a feral

:^)

[uneven mason]

I don't see a range limit anywhere

[plush tendon]

IDK man, I like trees

[uneven mason]

like normally there is a range on those things

even in the spell data

like, theres nothing lo

[distant crystal]

big brain play keep 20 warriors in oribos while you mythic raid

[deep steppe]

^

[distant crystal]

and have em pop banner to blast

[uneven mason]

have Mwahi test it on PTR, stand on one side of Oribos with party on the other and cast it

[deep steppe]

widebrain strats

[flint wraith]

What soulbind do you chose with necro?

[sand condor]

mawhi simmed them earlier

[rancid ember]

Potency Conduits are being added to Nathria in 9.0.5 right?

[remote dawn]

any have fast a macro for speer cast @ mouse

[plush tendon]

Emeni or Bonesmith

[sand condor]

#protection message

thats it

[distant crystal]

@remote dawn idk spell name but

/cast [@cursor] spear

[flint wraith]

Any racials that is more neat than other?

vulpera seems hella huge

But is it a bait

[sand condor]

dwarf

is prog

pog

[remote dawn]

merci ❤️

[distant crystal]

i use that for heroic leap too

[sand condor]

like its legit awesome

[distant crystal]

any ground effect where i care more about speed than precision

[flint wraith]

Horde slave :/

[sand condor]

yikes

i played zandalari

tauren is neat

cus aoe stun

[fickle shadow]

Any thoughts on NF priest CDR and prot warrior with the wall in M+? Could have some crazy high uptime

[distant crystal]

dorf gang

imagine simping the tank

yikes

[uncut juniper]

Guys how do you outrange the Chamber Sentinals Frontal Cone Bleed in Sanguine Depths? I mean i can jump once and maybe intervene someone if hes standing safely and without turning the frontal into the melee camp... i find this hard in PUGs. So other then doing that? what else? if i run asap i still get hit oO

[rancid ember]

They nerfed it so much you don't dodge it just don't let it hit others

[uncut juniper]

on high fortified keys? you sure? :D

when did they nerf it?

[deep steppe]

define high

[uncut juniper]

18+

[rancid ember]

yeah it was nerfed hard

[uncut juniper]

mk

[deep steppe]

on 15's and 16's i just sit there so

idk bout 18's

[uncut juniper]

i always wondered because on my monk i just roll out eazy peazy

but on warrior :O

[sterile moss]

usually intervene one then leap the other, but for the intervene I coordinate with my healer. he stands behind me

[sterile moss]

its the bleed that's nasty

[uncut juniper]

yea thats what i do aswell but i find it hard to coordinate it with non voice keys

[deep steppe]

you can phial the bleed if you're kyrian

[raven nebula]

Is there a good place to read some expert opinions about the changes in 9.0.5?

[uncut juniper]

true

[rancid ember]

Are you stacking mobs on top of a sentinal Bard?

[sterile moss]

you can soulshape the frontal if nf

[deep steppe]

the pins

[sterile moss]

here

lol

[deep steppe]

Mwahi does guides/sims for prot

[uncut juniper]

allright ill see how it goes. thanks guys :D

[sterile moss]

in the guantlet pull only

[uncut juniper]

yea me2

this one is the hardest

[sterile moss]

if you're going to pull the one before the guantlet, feel free to use the zrali button

[rancid ember]

Idk I've never felt bleed damage to be scary but I only a 17 SD so far

[sterile moss]

sure, it's no big deal if the sentinel is by itself

[rancid ember]

I remember that pre-nerf and the initial hit was a slapper

[winged ore]

hiya! brewmaster main looking to roll a prot war after the 9.0.5 buffs, does race choice matter much? i've seen highmountain or vulpera recommended. I mostly play M+, so belf would be nice. Is the extra knockdown from highmountain worth it? seems like it could fill in the gap of utility prot seems to have?

[austere stream]

Bull rush is more than just knockdown, it's also the ability to get far enough out of range of your targets to get another charge off, and on an oGCD to boot.

[ionic fern]

1)Looks
2)Vulpera racial is amazing for m+.
3)Taurens have huge shoulder mogs tho which is nice

[winged ore]

ohhh thats very neat

[ionic fern]

Or be a chad and go Dwarf.

[deep steppe]

No chads here

No chads allowed

[jagged pier]

chad dwarf or chungus panda

[wind surge]

Orcs have bigger should mog compared to body size

[pine tangle]

Ya'll probably recieve this question a lot. But with the new covenant changes to necrolord would it be wise to start necro as mythic+ tank? Fresh warrior so past progress is not important.

[ionic fern]

One downside to Taurens in general is that you can't fit through all the doors with a mount.

😦

[deep steppe]

heres a question

[distant crystal]

just like real life

[deep steppe]

are people really gonna re-roll prot for the dam buff

like

that seems odd to me

idk

[sweet summit]

banner

[pine tangle]

I started playing wow 3 weeks ago, and my main is in progress lock. And warriors seem cool 🙂 Sorry for being a noob.

[ionic fern]

In general NF/Kyrian will still be the go-to's for most people.
Necro will most likely see play in raids and cordinated m+ groups.

[pine tangle]

Thanks 🙂

[ionic fern]

Welcome to the good side of being a tank and getting flamed for everything.

[pine tangle]

Atleast tanks get invited to groups, my Shadow priest is crying every time man.

[ionic fern]

The true reason why i'm playing a tank tbh.

[rustic arrow]

re: spear macro i kinda like:

/cast [mod:ctrl,@cursor] Spear of Bastion
/cast [nomod,@player] Spear of Bastion```

[ionic fern]

Cba waiting for que timers as a DPS with the limited time i have to play.

😂

[wanton condor]

hold control and target otherwise self target?

[rustic arrow]

yeah

[signal plover]

Tbh I just always @cursor spear

[covert cradle]

my rl is beyond excited for the damage potential that banner can give raid members..

[deep steppe]

Dont get down when the "meta chads" call you poo. We're pretty good

[rustic arrow]

i had it on cursor but i had a ton of times where i smooth brained threw it away from combat

[ionic fern]

Same. That's why it gets thrown into the roof 5/10 times.

[wanton condor]

I've been considering doing a mod for cursor, largely because in m+ I do want to see the target

[pine tangle]

If you play the meta classes, it's not so bad. Even with 300+ rio than the people i queue into, they never pick me. But tried going on with 197 ilvl DH tank, and got in instantly.

[deep steppe]

ugh, boomy simps

[wanton condor]

but against bosses I don't give a shit

[pine tangle]

Like cmon 😦

[signal plover]

I've only thrown it into Africa like 10 times all xpac

[wanton condor]

I've hit new zealand a couple

[deep steppe]

I do it atleast once a dungeon

[ionic fern]

Best thing you can do is make your own groups. Tanks are in general the hardest to find so if you're filling that role already healers/DPS'ers will be flooding in.

[patent stone]

Guys, what do you think the new legendary and the buffs will do to the prot meta?

[deep steppe]

Mwahi does good work getting us all the info we need in a nice post

[pine tangle]

@deep steppe Thanks, did not see that. Some good reading, ty! 🙂

[deep steppe]

❤️

We will rise to the top together bois

[coarse kestrel]

you can always be like me and make your own groups, pick terrible compositions with offmeta classes and terrible rio scores, burn up or 1 chest the keys but invariably finish them cause these people never leave no matter how bad it goes!

plus you get to outdps at least 1 dps that way and that's cool too I guess.

[hardy pawn]

Honestly thats my favourite part of pugging

I outdpsed a destro warlock yesterday

[deep steppe]

its always fun out dpsing people

[brittle owl]

[uneven mason]

I Mean isn't that like beating a kid in a ♿ in a foot race?

[floral pewter]

It takes us from "dead last for damage" to "still dead last, but not by much". So in terms of actual change, not huge. Reprisal is a slightly bigger deal

it might shift player perception though

[brittle owl]

kinda means you're just scumbagging pulls

[hardy pawn]

Might actually break 100k prot warriors on rio

[floral pewter]

tank balance was reasonably good to begin with, so if people just stop thinking warriors are F-tier, they might see a lot more play

[strong forum]

being able to play AM+BSC although increases our actual dmg output in m+ by alot

so in that regard we will defo pump more

[signal plover]

Damaj 📈

[strong forum]

in raid howver yea, just like you said, still on the low end

[brittle owl]

class perception isn't something that will change though

[uneven mason]

You'd be shocked

[brittle owl]

unless you're on top, people will generally think the class is shit

[uneven mason]

the IP off the GCD change in BFA

completely flipped warrior perception

and people were suddenly in awe of us

[strong forum]

dorki already said on his stream pwar is gonna be broken so theres that

[brittle owl]

it wasn't just ip vhange

[strong forum]

kinda cringe tho

[hardy pawn]

I mean people still think Feral is shit despite the fact they're giga pumping in ST

[brittle owl]

it was ip + vanguard buff + BoM

[jagged pier]

sounds cringe to me

[brittle owl]

people keep forgetting those

[strong forum]

yup

very cringe

[brittle owl]

people predicting metas is cringe in general

[uneven mason]

TFW your feral druid bursts for over 50k DPS on sludge pillars and people still think they're crap

[brittle owl]

predictions in general are dumb

[signal plover]

Does cringe make you lose weight

[deep steppe]

Losing weight? Cringe

[brittle owl]

kinda makes you fat i think

[signal plover]

Tru

[brittle owl]

gives you an acne neckbeard too

[signal plover]

Ty 4 your wisdoms

[strong forum]

losing weight is very cringe

unless youre fat

then its cool

[fading quiver]

how useful is avoidance warforges for tanking? like should i use a 220 neck with avoidance over a 226 with more haste?

[strong forum]

tertiaries are to be ignored

until equal ilvl