protection

[pastel vector]

i figured as much, but ya never know fro some reason one is just miles above the other on an off chance xD

[raven kernel]

the low hp proc can save u too

[strong forum]

Vulpera for horde m+
Dorf / Nelf for alliance m+

Raid prolly sim

[languid juniper]

nelf is the best cuz they are so cute

:peepolove:

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

[jolly thistle]

male or female 👉👈

[next pelican]

yes

[languid juniper]

girl power !

[jagged pier]

panda best race double food buff

good animations

can be chungus if i want

feelsgood man

[arctic whale]

stoneform

[sweet summit]

Female troll 🥺

[pastel vector]

was looking at like Tauren Stam inc or the Zandalari boons

[languid juniper]

they only thing that is stopping me from switching horde is shadowmeld

(and money)

(mostly money)

[jagged pier]

just use ingame gold

ionJAM

[dense gate]

Cant believe @next pelican is also in here fotm rerolling smh

[sweet summit]

Prot is fotm now?

[next pelican]

bruh nah

[jagged pier]

[next pelican]

its my alt

[tranquil drift]

can i craft reprisal today and it gets the new effect on reset?

[next pelican]

yes

[sand condor]

Yes

[strong forum]

Watch that not be the case 👈

JK

[craggy portal]

I'd say wait just incase they change it before now and tuesday

[languid juniper]

i dont have enought soul ash to craft it

[strong forum]

F

[languid juniper]

"Remove shield block component from the reprisal legendary"

• Blizzard 1 day before 9.0.5

[strong forum]

"Removed prot warrior from the list of tank specs"

[jagged pier]

next week i should have 5150 so im gunna buy rank 4 legs or wahtever the highest rank is before they go up next week

[sand condor]

“Removed prot warrior’s armor”

[sweet summit]

😳

[languid juniper]

"Prot warrior is now becoming a healer spec, your ignore pain applies to your party and thats pretty much it"

[mental scarab]

Lul

Stop make me cry

🥲

[sweet summit]

"Last minute reprisal rework. It is now just glad stance lol hf :)"

[pastel vector]

with all the support we do, may as well be

wtb glad stance back 😭

[strong forum]

"Removed ignore pain as it is too hard of a button to use properly, instead you get a 4% heal per 10 rage spent from indom"

[languid juniper]

yes please

"Reworking indom, gives you 1% heal per 10 rage spent or gained"

[next pelican]

bring back t clap build

[midnight jetty]

are people thinking about necrolord then for reset?

[pastel vector]

already went Necro

[languid juniper]

switching to simp covenant

[next pelican]

im necro

[strong forum]

I might, but also might not

[pastel vector]

was changing today to swap to tank anyways, and am just gonna kill 2 birds with 1 stone

[next pelican]

this is my necro alt

[languid juniper]

[midnight jetty]

its pretty strong, i tested on ptr - you can just intervene to ranged allies, drop off the buff and charge back in

its gonna make the reprisal lego viable too

the reworked version

[languid juniper]

get 2 unholy dk, drop banner, enjoy the ST

[midnight jetty]

think itll be aight for fury/arms for offspec?

[opal escarp]

promethul, could you elaborate? it sounds like it's just a buff on them so once you've popped people can just wander off?

[midnight jetty]

yeah

[opal escarp]

hmm ok

[midnight jetty]

it goes on two closets

[next pelican]

I think venthyr is still the play for arms

[midnight jetty]

closest*

[next pelican]

its too good

[midnight jetty]

yeah but im a prot main so

[opal escarp]

so it's just about the application, ok that's good

[midnight jetty]

yeah, our guild was checking it out and thats how it works

[outer bronze]

thats cool that it snapshots

gonna be p easy to use in raids

leap banner charge done

[midnight jetty]

go necrolord, get reprisal lego

i tested the new reprisal

i almost had a 100% uptime on shield block

[outer bronze]

you think reprisal will be good in raid too even?

[ionic fern]

More than likely no.

[midnight jetty]

i mean you can intervene your offtank, get shield block, 20 rage

charge back in

rinse and repeat

[next pelican]

you can play around block downtime more in raid

[languid juniper]

intervene your offtank on sludgefist

enjoy

[next pelican]

because youre not talking all the time

[midnight jetty]

i mean yeah true kekW

[next pelican]

tanking

[ionic fern]

You have 2 tanks in a raid so your SB has enough time to re-charge.

If a fight requires high SB uptime and constant tanking then you can look towards Reprisal.

[languid juniper]

the wall will still be the play

[ionic fern]

IF you can use the Charges/leaps/intervenes without gimping the raid.

[languid juniper]

1min on 50% dr

[ebon hound]

Reprisal on council Reprisal on Sludge

[strong forum]

Pmuch

Reprisal will also be neat on slg and dena

[languid juniper]

on dena it will be pretty strong

[strong forum]

Yuh

[languid juniper]

this bastard hits like a truck

[vernal forge]

So I know a lot of people already asked these questions, but is it Necro now or do we keep Kyrian for the Pot?

[languid juniper]

play what you enjoy

[vivid jacinth]

I play NF which seems nice

[lusty furnace]

Cheers mate

[languid sigil]

So what slot do you want to put Reprisal on? Is it feet or legs? 🤔

[strong forum]

Legs

Unless you can reliably kill SLG mythic

But prolly still legs for 9.1

[next pelican]

on denathrius the thing that fucks me up is the bleed in p3

[covert sentinel]

any estimation on how stronkthat reprisal thing makes prot warr in m+?

[next pelican]

stronk

[languid juniper]

you just reminded me that i will probably have to reclear mythic SLG.
I want to die rn

[covert sentinel]

dh levels of stronk?^^

[sand condor]

we dont have their damage

so no

[strong forum]

Na dh is still going to be stronger

Since the dangerous stuff in dungeons is still gonna be dots and magic shit

[languid juniper]

"spikes of tankyness" are stronger rightnow, + they have big burst

litteraly unkillable with meta and spikes

[jolly thistle]

they get even more meta uptime with 9.0.5

[strong forum]

Yuh, but they're losing a very small bit of dmg

While we gain dmg

[midnight jetty]

whos the best soulbind for necro ?

[languid juniper]

they also loose fierybrand uptime

[strong forum]

They lose a tiny tiny bit of FB uptime but instead get a better buff

Vdh surv is getting a buff with the conduit change

Not a nerf

[languid juniper]

what is it again, fel dev cd ?

[strong forum]

Yuh

[languid juniper]

lmao

[strong forum]

11sec+ off of a 60sec CD

Is massive

[languid juniper]

was the same for fierybrand, but fierybrand takes time to spread

just give pwar 20 seconds spellreflect

[strong forum]

You also have the leggo reducing FB CD

So the effective CD reduction lost is only 4sec off of FB

Roughly

[jolly thistle]

just give me moar damage

[strong forum]

Well we are getting a bit of dmg

Which is good

[languid juniper]

10% + 10% on tc right ?

[strong forum]

Yuh

[jolly thistle]

I demand more

[languid juniper]

prolly not enought but i'll take it

gimme BoM baseline

[strong forum]

It'll be aight in m+, in raid we will still be on the short end, just not as much

[languid juniper]

i just hope my co-tank swaps his prot pally

or i'll have trouble in raids

[languid sigil]

So is it Haste/Vers that I want to put on the legendary? 🤔

[strong forum]

Yuh

[next pelican]

if you want

[strong forum]

Or haste crit if you're a pumper

[next pelican]

we're not your dad

[languid juniper]

rude

🙃

[next pelican]

[hardy pawn]

Do you have to run double time with reprisal for the uptime or what?

[sweet summit]

You dont have to, but its the better talent on that row overall with reprisal

Storm Bolt still has great value if your comp lacks stops

[hardy pawn]

Aye, I pug my m+ so thats what I'm thinking

God forbid any of these dps players actually hit their cc buttons

[valid zodiac]

Decanter or Emitter with me being at 13% haste?

[sweet summit]

Emitter

[valid zodiac]

Thanks

[astral crystal]

tragic days approach us

changing to necrolord, bad feels

[languid juniper]

You dont have to switch if you dont want to

[hardy pawn]

Is it really that much better?

[amber herald]

no

[languid juniper]

Do you trust yourself or you group

[hardy pawn]

Kyrian phial just seems so broken with all the dots and bleeds going on

[languid juniper]

[astral crystal]

i'm just being semi-serious, if it's the better cov for raid i'm not gonna gimp my team

[jolly thistle]

How could you ever gimp your team if you play the best tank class in the universe?

[strong forum]

On another note, on max haste setup I can reach 31% now with 224 equipped

Without itf

[sweet summit]

[astral crystal]

[languid juniper]

Pog

[strong forum]

With full sockets prolly close to 33%

[astral crystal]

where's your full sockets, nom

[strong forum]

In the maw sitting

[astral crystal]

very disappointed

[sweet summit]

Not having full sockets yet

[strong forum]

But they don't know

I ain't coming for them

[languid juniper]

I bought conduits

[astral crystal]

they're waiting for you all alone in the maw

[strong forum]

I just don't do maw

Fuck that

[languid juniper]

Now i have all mistweaver conduits 213

[strong forum]

Ima get socket for my inerva ring this week

And thats bout all I'm gonna do this week

[astral crystal]

once i finished my sockets i started doing conduits but i got pretty bored of that, man can only take so much

[strong forum]

Miss me with conduits

3dps gain

[languid juniper]

3 dps > 0dps

[sweet summit]

Got 226 ashen yesterday

[strong forum]

Conduits aren't worth the effort

I rather watch true facts about the cuttlefish

[sweet summit]

Do both?

[strong forum]

No

Rather do nothing than do dailies

[astral crystal]

cuttlefish are based

[strong forum]

Did you see the one about the oppih

[languid juniper]

I wish great vault would give me something else. Got like only ring for 3 weeks now

[strong forum]

Stygia

Are you not happy getting 1/10th of a socket from the amazing great fault?

[languid juniper]

Venari reputation on alt

[wind surge]

imagine if blizzard made rep account wide instead of what we have now 🙃

[hardy pawn]

Or if not that imagine if there was like a thing you could buy from them that was account bound that increased rep gains

[wind surge]

at this point just make all rep account wide, cba to do the grinding on alts

[languid juniper]

Just play human

[wind surge]

zug zug

can't do

[halcyon horizon]

Account wide rep once exalted would be great

or an item buyable and sendable to your alts that gives all the rep necessary maybe or smth

[languid juniper]

Saw someone talking about things like this for honor in pvp

Send x honor to alt

[wind surge]

the currency ?

[modern tundra]

does anyone know if there is a cap on the amount of renown one can gain after swapping covenant ?

[languid juniper]

You have none

Just do the campaign

[sweet summit]

The current cap, which is 38

[modern tundra]

right then there is no weekly cap or anything

thx lads!

[halcyon horizon]

if you want to gain honor on alts, go do the legion expeditions 😄

(lol)

[snow tusk]

instead of upgrading my r2 the wall, should i instead get reprisal first now?

(only raid tanking)

[jolly thistle]

I’d upgrade wall

[languid juniper]

Its power gain against additionnal posibility

So id craft reprisal if it doesnt get nerf

Stat gain is pretty minor tbh

[unique shale]

for raid stick to wall

[snow tusk]

alrighty, guess i'll do that then

[unique shale]

you can go reprisal but in case your raid leader don't mind you jumping around 😁

[delicate thorn]

gutta-percha warrior

[strong forum]

Just be the raidleader

[unique shale]

[glass saddle]

Hi guys, not a warrior player but I'm still interested to know how do you guys feel about the changes prot will receive, expecially in a m+ setting. Are those changes that impact in any way or those just won't change anything

[next pelican]

big buff

[unique shale]

meta slave people attacking warrior forums

[glass saddle]

If you're refering to me, now I'm not a meta slave. I'm just genuinely curious, as there's a friend of mine (warrior) who was explaining to me why prot war was so good in bfa and why it isn't in shadowlands

[wind surge]

we lost all our dmg

[snow tusk]

^

[languid juniper]

BoM is gone peepocry

[snow tusk]

still squishy but no bang

[glass saddle]

yeah, and are the 9.0.5 changes going to change anything or... ?

i saw the 10% dmg buff + another 10% on booty clap

[snow tusk]

10% dmg buff aura and another 10% for clap

[glass saddle]

and I was wondering if there could be a return to prot war's niche

[languid juniper]

Prolly not

you have a ton of magic dammage in SL

[snow tusk]

• reprisal seems very good for m+ due to way more block uptime afaik

yeah, magic dmg still fucks us, but that's an old story 😄

[languid juniper]

doesnt matter if you have 100% sb uptime if there is 95% magic caster in a pack

[snow tusk]

it does though

packs do not die in 12 seconds, having more SB takes off melee damage which kind of allows us to tank magic dmg

[unique shale]

cast shield wall done

and ip

[glass saddle]

i'm sorry... sb is... ?

[languid juniper]

shield block

[snow tusk]

shield block

[glass saddle]

ok

so you're telling me the problem with tank warrior is that in m+ there's a lot of magic damage ?

[snow tusk]

• no 100% uptime on block

[unique shale]

yes and no

[snow tusk]

which means kiting, which means no rage, which means no IP

[unique shale]

if you have good group to kick cast it should be no problem

[snow tusk]

equals lower damage

warrior still won't be as good as Dh after all

but less shitty i'd say

[unique shale]

i had failed 4 de other side keys where people simply didn't kick cast and i got one shoted

[quick elk]

Why is necro becoming thing. Or is it just one of those marginal changes, that ppl are jumping on to change things up?

[languid juniper]

shield wall and ip. done

[glass saddle]

I see, thank you guys. Feels bad for you that prot war won't be good for at least another patch then

[jolly thistle]

Biggest problem protw has: bad community perception

[unique shale]

well that's work for while then not XD

[snow tusk]

imo necro soulbinds are good as is for prot, buff to fleshcraft is quite good and banner being a 2 min CD which gives mastery is also huge for prot survival

[glass saddle]

I think we're all held hostage by the DH crew

[languid juniper]

i mean druid and monk still work fine

[glass saddle]

I main a BRW monk

yes, Monk is fine

[unique shale]

It is because of fantasy

[glass saddle]

but it wouldn't be bad to see more tank diversity

[languid juniper]

you mean like bfa ?

tank diversity is far better than bfa's imo

[glass saddle]

I liked how prot war had his thing of having more dmg than other tanks

no i'm not refering directly to bfa

i was just saying that i liked seeing prot warriors

that's all

[languid juniper]

we did too

peepocry

[unique shale]

well i say it is worse since then

almost all of groups are full with dh tank

[glass saddle]

and tbh I yet have to see a guardian druid or a prot warrior

[languid juniper]

dorky still make druid work

[unique shale]

you gtg with one you like otherwise you get bored

[snow tusk]

druids have their niche of being unkillable i think 😄

[languid juniper]

in bfa you would not see something else than prot war in 26+

(except dorky on druid)

[unique shale]

well is it same as before ? 26 only dh ?

[glass saddle]

i like my main (brw monk)

[surreal birch]

So reprisal is bis now?

[unique shale]

bis with wall

[amber herald]

DH provides the biggest numbers with chaos brand and the meta being fire mage/boomy

[languid juniper]

only 1 dh timed a 26 tho.
And if you look at 23+, druid monk and dh are there. even some prot pal

[amber herald]

literally does +million damage over a dungeon

[midnight marsh]

2

and only 2 26s were timed lol

[glass saddle]

is DH tank getting any nerfs ?

[languid juniper]

small dmg nerf on kyrian sigil.
Conduit buff

[amber herald]

they're getting a defensive buff I think which is fair

DH tank doesn't need nerfs other tanks need buffs

[midnight marsh]

agreed ye

[languid juniper]

true

[glass saddle]

wait dh tank is getting a defensive buff ?

[old stone]

is necrolord prot looking good? or meh?

[paper granite]

@languid juniper 2 dhs timed 26

[solemn ferry]

@glass saddle as far as I know they're changing one conduit from reducing the cd on fiery brand to reducing cd of fel devastation

Which is, cut long story short, a buff

[remote vale]

will reprisal still make prot warriors move up the ranks, with 4 sec shield block compared to 6? how much of a % uptime loss is it? 😄

[jolly thistle]

it was 30sec per minute extra on its first iteration, now it’s 20. You can still get to 100% uptime if you run HR- but I think AM is probably the play

[rain lava]

i think you'd rather run bolstering for uptime

talking m+ of course

[jolly thistle]

HR is really good if you have high haste and a good uptime already

[sweet summit]

Looks promising. In an organized group it seems to be the biggest increase to raid/group dps if paired with specs that greatly benefit from it like boomkins/mages/SPriests/uhdks

[strong forum]

You'd run neither, you don't need 100%, 80%++ is enough

We didn't even have 100% in bfa

But the actual downtime came so late in the rotation that it didn't matter

[rain lava]

yeah, but you run Bolstering if you get fucked by big packs

[strong forum]

Na

[remote dawn]

AM dmg Boost

[strong forum]

AM gives you frequent access to SW which is what will come in very handy

[jolly thistle]

probably better to just kite the few big pulls when everything is on CD and roll with AM for more dmg

[strong forum]

You won't need the increase in block uptime

[steep cradle]

Does the reworked reprisal give +20 rage in addition to what charge already gives (10) or is it just 20/ 20 for intervene only?

[strong forum]

Extra

[jolly thistle]

bonus, it’s really nice to charge into a pack and have essentially 2 free revenge

[rain lava]

Is better served cold > Booming Voice with Reprisal?

seems like a ton of dmg

[strong forum]

Yes

https://tenor.com/view/typing-several-people-are-typing-gif-15407184

[rain lava]

wait, are we doing actual dmg then? Reprisal giving us Better served cold and AM seems like it is a decent dmg boost too.

[remote dawn]

BSC and AM and go Double Time

[jolly thistle]

AM is ~+5% overall

[strong forum]

Yeah our m+ dmg should see quite an increase with the buffs and talent changes

[light quartz]

Its worst by a huge amount. At 20+ keys the tank population per season:
Shadowlands s1: 65.7% DH , 11.9% Monk, 9.1% Druid, 7.3% Paladin, 4.6% DK and 1.5% Warrior
BFA s1: 54.4% DK, 16.9% Monk, 14.8% Warrior, 6.8% Paladin, 5.7% DH and 1.4% Druid
BFA s2: 48.6% Warrior, 19.4% Paladin, 15.3% DK, 9.7% Monk, 3.7% DH and 3.3% Druid
BFA s3: 37% Monk, 23.8% Warrior, 14.4% Paladin, 9% DH, 8.9% DK and 6.8% Druid
BFA s4: 28.1% Warrior, 20.6% DH, 15.2% Monk, 12.8% Paladin, 12.3% DK and 11% Druid

[strong forum]

And taking uptime

[rain lava]

its just a bit less rage overall though, without Walls shield slam extra rage and booming voice rage. Should not be that much, but still fell different i suppose

[strong forum]

If you charge 3x per minute, it's same rage overall

[drifting glade]

wait does the BSC 50% apply to the reprisal free revenge

[strong forum]

It's just a bit more frontloaded

[strong forum]

Should

[drifting glade]

no way

wicked

[rain lava]

yeah, fair enough. Finding oppertunities mid pull to charge without using leap doesnt sound like a ton of fun tho tbh

[drifting glade]

reprisal->charge or exploit casters?

[tiny blade]

That sounds so good, can’t wait!

[drifting glade]

idk

i might be able to break the 4k overall dps more often now with the changes

hype

[quick elk]

Talent row 45 remains the same or with AM does unstoppable force become viable?

[sweet summit]

UF 📈

[rain lava]

reprisal should help with aggro on pull too. Sometimes if DDs burst on pull and I am still demo shouting i lose aggro for a few globals, could be me sucking though 😄

[merry ocean]

with AM the cooldown on Avatar is what 50 sec +-?

[drifting glade]

is it just a matter of reprisal making am better and am making uf better

[unique shale]

you should not lose aggro unless people pulling before you or you have firemage

[tame jasper]

(didn't read all from the last days) So reprisal is the new m+ leg?

[jolly thistle]

UF is getting a bit better thanks to the tclap buff

[drifting glade]

oh yeah

[rain lava]

or boomie with insta convoke. not much i can do against a moon procc i think

[drifting glade]

forgot about the 10% extra damage on tclap

[jolly thistle]

It’s at 46.2% Ap now

[strong forum]

1.5min-2min

[jolly thistle]

was 50% in bfa

[unique shale]

i never had problem with boomie

unless they convoke on the opener

[drifting glade]

I'm gonna miss ravager for sure though

I really liked it

[sweet summit]

AM is ~50% CDR iirc

[jolly thistle]

just run ravager 🤷‍♂️

[drifting glade]

im already playing prot

[strong forum]

Ravager is still ahead on aoe if you don't play seismic

[drifting glade]

dont need to grief my guild groups more

[strong forum]

For some reason

[sweet summit]

Reprisal*

[strong forum]

Seismic

[sweet summit]

U sure?

[drifting glade]

why would seismic make ravager better than UF?

[sweet summit]

Ah ye nvm

U right

[drifting glade]

is it just a matter of free globals

[strong forum]

#protection message

[median tulip]

As Venthyr, I think Ravager is the play for me. It's probably different for other covenants, especially Kyrian

[strong forum]

#protection message

[drifting glade]

huh

neat

thanks for the link

seismic is a big dps increase tho

wtf

[strong forum]

Ofc

It's 75% more revenge dmg

[drifting glade]

yeah like duh

[strong forum]

[drifting glade]

but damn I want it so bad

even though it's probably grief

[strong forum]

It's only grief on big keys

On regular 15s it's irrelevant

[drifting glade]

what's big keys in this context

oh

[strong forum]

Up to 18s

[jolly thistle]

definitely the play for the weekly key(s)

[strong forum]

Prolly can even use that in 20s

If you're good

[drifting glade]

if I haven't cleared 15s do they count as big keys for me LMAO

[strong forum]

:)

[amber herald]

is double-time going to be bis with reprisal?

muh stormbolt

[drifting glade]

[unique shale]

no

[sterile moss]

giving up on stormbolt in pugs...

[unique shale]

[strong forum]

It's gonna be good, but time will tell if you need the extra uptime / can make use of it

And if you can afford to drop SB

[ionic fern]

Covenants in 9.0.5

Necrolord will be a solid group damage boost in raids and Mythic+ as long as you can co-ordinate the usage of the mastery buff.
It's also dependant on the DPS you run with if they actually benefit from Mastery or not.
The increased group damage comes at the cost of your own damage output so if you are mostly PuG'ging keys you will be better off as a Kyrian/NF.

Legendaries in 9.0.5

Reprisal is still good (even after the nerf) and will most likely be the go-to for most Mythic+ dungeons. The Wall remains a solid secondary option and might even be the preferable option in some magic heavy dungeons like DoS.
For raids you would still be looking to run The Wall in general unless there are fights that fit Reprisal.
The block up time we gain from Reprisal should allow us to run AM instead of Bolster in Mythic+.

Seismic got a solid damage buff but it still unfortunately has the same weaknesses as before (Rage being used on Revenges is Rage not being used for defensives). It is a solid option for Mythic+ as long as you can survive and not put too much pressure on your healer.

Unbreakable Will is "ok" but it's not competitive enough with neither The Wall or Reprisal in their respective fields.

10% Aura buff in 9.0.5

Damage = 📈
This aura buff together with Reprisal freeing up the last talent row for AM in Mythic+ content will be a solid boost to our damage.

[median tulip]

I have guild groups, so Storm Bolt isn't so critical for me

[rocky dove]

What fortuitous timing, was about to ask when we'd get a 9.0.5 pin

[sand condor]

omg

thank you mawhi

[sweet summit]

We love Mwahi

[amber herald]

also is thunderclap worth pressing yet?

[sweet summit]

Always has been 🔫

[amber herald]

nuhuh

a gcd used on a thunderclap is a missed gcd on revenge

[median tulip]

Hurrah! Now we have a pin everyone will ignore xD

[unique shale]

[tame jasper]

Thanks

[restive flax]

Pog. Now I can become a necroboi and still get snap aggro with Reprisal

[tame jasper]

reprisal is also boots, right?

[quick elk]

What was the nerf to reprisal? Less rage? Its still will charge intervene, revenge! And shield block right!?

[drifting glade]

seismic is shoulders, right

[rain lava]

but spear 🥲

[sweet summit]

2 less seconds of the free shield block @quick elk

[drifting glade]

grants 4s of shield block instead of 6s

[restive flax]

Yeah I know. But I like the skullmen

More like... I don't like the angelsmurfs

[quick elk]

Wow, I’m definitely waiting, before crafting now. Just in case. 😅

[rain lava]

still think they should have replaced the banner with a drill sergeant, like in full metal jacket, that just screams at the people getting the mastery buff

[ionic fern]

Why @quick elk ? 👀
It's still really strong.

[drifting glade]

perhaps an indication that they'll nerf it again

[restive flax]

Lol yes 😄

[sweet summit]

I doubt theyll nerf it again anytime soon

[drifting glade]

I don't think so but it's possible

[quick elk]

Aye, scared they will hit again

[amber herald]

is thunderclap doing more dmg than autoattacks now?

[signal plover]

They won't, this is the release candidate

[signal plover]

Yes but not more than devastator autos

[drifting glade]

i mean, they could hypothetically hotfix it

I doubt it

prot warrior receiving hotfix nerfs to their shiny new toy would be laughable

[amber herald]

I'm confused about the prio of thunderclap now

before it was easy, you never press it

[signal plover]

It's the same as always...

[ionic fern]

You still pressed TC. o.o

[signal plover]

It's a rage generator

[amber herald]

I'll ignore it unless I need rage then

[signal plover]

You always pressed it

[ionic fern]

o.o

[unique shale]

[amber herald]

last stand -> ravager -> revenge x25

[strong forum]

Usually you want TC on 8-11cpm

[unique shale]

ignore 5 rage

[amber herald]

wasn't this your guys rotation?

[unique shale]

i got it i playing wrong

[sterile moss]

before, you pressed it and cried. now, you'll press it and not always cry

[pastel vector]

😢

[strong forum]

During LS and ravager you ofc spam the fuck out of revenge in aoe

[median tulip]

I just wish the Show of Force conduit buff stacked, at this point

[sterile moss]

ooh that would be nice

[strong forum]

Sof should just be actual numbers

But through this buff sof will be better in m+

Stacking those % should equate an almost decent dmg boost

[rain lava]

better but still bad?

[strong forum]

Ye

[sterile moss]

I would guess you want it if you talent uf

but not necessarily otherwise

[median tulip]

Given that you probably only have 1 Potency Conduit, the Covenant Potency Conduit is probably the best choice for most people

I don't know what the new Necrolord one will do tho

[sterile moss]

yeah with Niya there's not space for it

idk about others

[drifting glade]

pelagos has 2

[pastel vector]

Necrolord has 2 arguably

[unique shale]

sim telling me with all offensive talents i can do 5.7k dps on aoe

[pastel vector]

[ionic fern]

What's "all offensive"? and what's "aoe"?

[tiny blade]

I’m planning on switching to kyrian from venthyr, will all my non-covenant specific conduits stay the same ilvl?

[jagged pier]

i think it depends how u sim shows me as 10,7k LUL

[ionic fern]

Depends on the time/buffs/pull size etc

[amber herald]

yep

[tiny blade]

Awesome, thanks!

[unique shale]

BSC/UF/AM 1.5min on 3 target

[remote dawn]

3 Target kek

[unique shale]

well i don't have the spear

[vale fable]

I’m pretty new to Prot, trying to cut my teeth on lower keys. I’m having rage generation issues. Can someone breakdown a normal mob pull? I.e Charge>devo>tc

I’m pulling mobs and being half health before I can get enough rage to mitigate with sb or ip

[rain lava]

are you really planing on playing UF? ravager feels so nice and the sims are really close. Doesn't seem to me like UF will outperform ravager in real world scenarios, aka m+

[unique shale]

do you have log ?

[jagged pier]

i mean spear was not top of my damage and would not give me 5k

[vale fable]

No logs. We were doing a few 9s and a 10 just as a casual guild group. Didn’t think to log it. Will be from this point on.

[median tulip]

What legendary and talent build are you using?

[unique shale]

how many target ?

[jagged pier]

from what mwahi said earlier BSC/RAV/AM with the wall if like 300 dps more andwith the seiemic leggo
BSC/UF/AM is about 100dps more

[jagged pier]

5 bosses hetic add cleave

[vale fable]

Thunderlord - rank 1 - and devastor/stormbolt/booming voice/ravager/bolster build

[ionic fern]

Charge+SS provides you 40 Rage after which you can use SB.
In general Ravager->Charge + Avatar -> SB->TC+Revenge

[unique shale]

minute ?

[vale fable]

Thank you

[jagged pier]

what ever the standard is i did it in quick sim

[analog lantern]

what's the lowdown on the new legendary changes for prot?

[median tulip]

see pins

[jagged pier]

repirsal for m+, seismic if doing ez content. the wall for raid and maybe DoS

[median tulip]

Charge > Shield Slam > Shield Block > Booming Voice > Ravager should see you through. Running the Unnerving Focus conduit and using Bolster helps, but only once per 2 mins. Are you using a quick Ravager macro or are you manually casting it?

[vale fable]

Manually casting. Figured I’d make a macro for it after last night

[unique shale]

you better off with less macro since you need more control over your spells rather then automation

[analog lantern]

wait a second, one thing I don't understand from the pins.. "The block up time we gain from Reprisal should allow us to run AM instead of Bolster in Mythic+." Reprisal gives you ignore pain, not shield block, though?

[drifting glade]

Reprisal will be changed in 9.05

[sweet summit]

Have you read the change?

[analog lantern]

my bad

[unique shale]

yeah i got same sim 10.3k dps

[median tulip]

Try this, it casts at your mouse pointer if ALT is pressed, otherwise just casts it centred on you:

/cast [mod:alt, @cursor][@player]Ravager```

[sweet summit]

Its getting a rework, so its pog now

[analog lantern]

awesome

[median tulip]

Not next week it doesn't

[vale fable]

Thanks!

[analog lantern]

Oh god I just took a look at the reprisal buff holy fuck that's pog

[lost oracle]

is it good now? i have like 5k soul ash for when it comes live 👀

[rain lava]

!pin

[quick elk]

100 soul ash off being able to make the rank 4 after reset. Praying for another mission before then. Otherwise it will have to be a rank 3 then 4

That one week when I couldn’t be bothered with torghast....

[tacit smelt]

What slot are we crafting reprisal in?

[median tulip]

Legs, probably

[tacit smelt]

Figured

Need to buy now before prices skyrocket

[median tulip]

There's an arguement for feet because of the Legs from SLG meaning you could theoretically have a higher overall item level from having the legendary on the boots, but that's only if you're farming mythic SLG

[tame jasper]

as i dont have mythic SLG i would go to feet I think

[unique shale]

SLG ?

[signal plover]

Stone legion

[tacit smelt]

Stone legion

[median tulip]

Stone Legion Generals

[signal plover]

Generalisimos

[quick elk]

If you don’t have mythic stone legion then get the Lego legs. Not the feet . I think is what was suggested

[unique shale]

soul ash farming again

[median tulip]

Yes, this

[sterile moss]

who wouldn't want to do more torghast

[unique shale]

i mean i can't make lvl 5 day one

😦

[tame jasper]

oh

[unique shale]

it take two week for me to make lvl 5

[tame jasper]

and then 226 boots?

[quick elk]

I made a lv1 leaper 3 days ago 😅

[unique shale]

me too

[sterile moss]

leaper was literally the second leggo I made

for world pvp lul

[unique shale]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-running-jump-marvel-gif-14734425

leaper lego in wp

[fallow beacon]

Leaper Gucci on mythic council atleast

[quick elk]

😂

[blissful pebble]

Made: The Wall 4, Unhinged 4, Leaper 2 and got enough for R4 Reprisal next week.

[fallow beacon]

If you are the add kiter

[tame jasper]

would love to have a mythic raid :/

[unique shale]

yeah

my guild don't do it because we wipe 12 time on sire to get it

[blissful pebble]

You can cross realm it next week

[tame jasper]

already this week in EU

but no grps up

[tame jasper]

Yeah we are also quite bad on hero, but well casual guild most of us

[unique shale]

i used to see a lot of mythic raid groups in bfa but now i see none

[blissful pebble]

1st few bosses are easier than sire

[next pelican]

we were 3/10M before we got curve

[quick elk]

Simply put yes. And also for patch 9.1 you with have it on a heavy stat piece.

[blissful pebble]

If you have 20 people you can easily kill shriek and possibly huntsman / sun king

[tame jasper]

I know, but tell my raidlead ^^

[next pelican]

hungering is quite easy now with the nerfs

[unique shale]

well yes and i don't get it why don't go mythic. i probably drop from heroic raiding with them.

[tame jasper]

but we brought sire to 20% yesteray, so hoping to kill him on sunday and then mythic next week

[lost oracle]

My guild killed denathrius in the try i dced :C

[unique shale]

lol that's good we killed sire when half of raid group gone to sleep

[astral crystal]

did anyone actually try reprisal in high keys on the PTR?

[hardy siren]

sorry if this got asked before, but I'm wondering about the new legendary. is that an additional 20 rage per charge and intervene? also, does it cast the revenge at the end of the charge, in that direction, or is it a free proct?

[astral crystal]

it is an additional 20 rage

what you get at the end is the free proc

[hardy siren]

so 40 rage per charge?

sick.

is like, worth taking double time maybe?

[tacit smelt]

Still gonna run storm bolt

Can't pass up the free CC

[hardy siren]

yeah, it's really nice. it's just that with 2 charge, 1 intervene, that's alot of rage. with anger management as well there's some potential for good avatar uptime

that said, Im not sure how easy it is to get off a second charge all the time. kinda want to stay kyrian for that reason

[astral crystal]

reprisal feels like it's kind of a meme to show off 7k overall in 14 keys i m o

you barel ytake unmitigated hits in dungeons atm if you play right

[signal plover]

Is there anything else to do atm?

[astral crystal]

i guess not

[signal plover]

Set birthing hips to blast bb

[astral crystal]

i'm more excited about the damage dial we got

[signal plover]

Even better

[elfin nova]

You have to stay stacked with the people you want to give necrolord banner mastery to right?

[signal plover]

Not once they have the buff

[astral crystal]

wut, i thought they had to be near the banner source

[signal plover]

I think that's only on application now

They can waddle off after

[hazy badge]

anyone play 18s or so in PTR with the lego change? 90% up time on shield block accurate?

[deft vortex]

maybe if youre taking double time talent and bouncing around with charge and intervene

also depends how long the pulls last

[astral crystal]

can anyone confirm if the banner buff just sticks to whoever it goes on initially?

[amber herald]

second hand I've heard 93% with doubletime

not personally on the ptr though

[hexed rune]

yea, has anyone experimented with the banner? how easy is it to pull off the buff?

[hazy badge]

thanks... i think warrior stonks are on the rise... will they beat out VDHs in high M+ content... stay tuned!

[hexed rune]

Guild is already saying it'll be too hard, if it doesn't work in the first few pulls they'll get pissy

[astral crystal]

@ionic fern halp

[north pecan]

So im guessing normal rotation will be with reprisal, charge revenge (IP) ravager shout (block) thunder (IP) shield, continue adnauseum

[signal plover]

Prolly still pre cast ravager

[ionic fern]

Yes. Atleast when i tried it on PTR.
Jumped on some random dude in Oribos, popped banner and ran away and he had it.

[astral crystal]

ty

[hexed rune]

hmm, they'll probably need to atleast stand a little bit apart from everyone else. how finicky is the buff application I wonder

like, does it always take the two you're stacked on?

[signal plover]

It's just the two closest ppl...

[woeful harbor]

Next week what is the Beamst leggy on m+ thunderlord Or seismic?

[signal plover]

Reprisal

Or do you mean between those two specifically

[sterile moss]

depends on what beamst leggy means

[astral crystal]

lol

[tacit smelt]

Can't wait to see the loot pool for 9.1

[signal plover]

The one that gives the most beams obv

[woeful harbor]

Best sry my iphone changed

I mean Best leggy

[sterile moss]

seismic is to max your damage, but reprisal will be the best

[ionic fern]

Seismic for key levels which allow it.
Reprisal for anything serious.

[north pecan]

Its gonna be so weird not pressing thunderclap after charge, I think thats built into me

[ionic fern]

Reprisal is going to help out so many new protection warriors with their opener tho.

[signal plover]

Y r ppl not pressing TC all of a sudden

[ionic fern]

Since they don't have to worry about
1)Rage
2)SB
3)Threat

[woeful harbor]

My Build is clapmaster style

[dusty pasture]

anyone have a list of classes that love/hate mastery? I know dk likes it but I dont play every class

[north pecan]

Meh, I sorta dislike prots rage regen 30s into a pull

[astral crystal]

dk, boomkin, hunter

[eager juniper]

Boomies for sure

[astral crystal]

mage maybe

[signal plover]

Rsham and hpal as well I think for juicy raid heals lol

[flat bramble]

one day we may have the WALL + Reprisal , insane build for prot ^^

[astral crystal]

wall + reprisal and running AM.... the dream

[ionic fern]

I'm more excited for Seismic + Reprisal + BSC

[astral crystal]

but most likely it'll be reprisal and seismic

[signal plover]

I think they're gonna let us slap multiple effects onto a single leggo

Maybe the secondary at a reduced effect tho

[astral crystal]

that'd be nice

[signal plover]

Prolly ranks 5+

Completely guessing here

[flat bramble]

remember the jailer have like 3 chains ? two arms and his nick ?

3 lego one day ?

[signal plover]

Runecarver but yeh

[flat bramble]

runomancer sosry

fok ^^'

[woeful harbor]

Mhhhh my love is m+ seismic + thunderlord

[signal plover]

Y tho

U wanna run BSC with seismic

And BV with TL

So...

[sterile moss]

9.1 you'll have the full leggo outfit

as mog kekw

they're recycling the leggo item models for the raid items

[mint forum]

😄 😄 😄

just saw that nerf to the reworked legendary that wasnt even ingame yet 😄 😄

[north pecan]

Meh, still gives 40 rage on charge, enough sb to press other buttons, and a free revenge for threat

[sterile moss]

it was a fair nerf tbh

[uneven mason]

TL loses its appeal because you're not going to boost dps with DS running seismic, real love would be Reprisal + Seismic, big meaty double free Revenges

[flat bramble]

yes, better have the nerf now

[sterile moss]

makes me feel safer about it being nerfed later

[mint forum]

fair nerf bcs wheelchair class got finally something for m+ where it sux and it got nerfed before getting ingame 😄

[flat bramble]

they dont want to let people invest so much time / ash into a lego with a nerf next

[woeful harbor]

Yeah

[sterile moss]

we will be quite solid in m+

[uneven mason]

already solid, we're just going to be able to do mroe damage.

[north pecan]

Im just happy i can buy the lvl 3 reprisal day 1

[uneven mason]

which is our biggest holdback.

[sterile moss]

more damage, more mitigation, more solid

[uneven mason]

oof

4s SB instead of 6

[sterile moss]

you might actually see prots in high keys to bring the necro m+ buffs too

[uneven mason]

considerably less appealing

[woeful harbor]

Mhhh But 9.1 Not 2 leggys Right ?

[normal ingot]

guys, quick question, craft reprisal on legs or boots? or in the end its the same you get? 😄

[uneven mason]

who knows

[uneven mason]

Legs have higher stat budget

[sweet kayak]

So guys are anyone changing Necro or what's the deal now? 🙂

[uneven mason]

So legs is better, but it depends what you're replacing

[normal ingot]

thanks mate!

[sterile moss]

unless you're planning on getting 233 legs from slg, craft on legs

[north pecan]

Which do you have a good 226 on lol

[signal plover]

Check pins

[sweet kayak]

Okay!

[strange lintel]

using menace a sin. ive been tanking low keys ( 10s and so ) and i kinda enjoy using it ...

braces for damage

[normal ingot]

i've been fae, still not looking to face :x

[woeful trellis]

Will a ticket be worthy That i Could get Some soulash back and Delete the pvp legy 🤣

[strange lintel]

doubt it

blizzard wont even give your vault back if you fuck up and click the stigia

[sterile moss]

back to torghast with you

[woeful trellis]

Hml 🤣

[strange lintel]

had a friend game freeze. she logged back in and had the stigia reward. didnt pick anything herself

[normal ingot]

indeed, for those who were done with torghast, here comes legendary rework for ya

[strange lintel]

paged blizz and gave her the big midfinga

[woeful harbor]

But i hate the playstyle from reprisal Mhhh But the combo with seismic is big

[north pecan]

There is no playstyle change with reprisal

[mystic rain]

can anyone say 100% sure that the necrolord banner buff sticsk to the first 2 people you buffed with it? Since you "brandish" the banner it would seem like the buff travels with you

[woeful trellis]

Idk playstyle will be like Legion, when our charge and iv stunned i think

[median tulip]

People who have tested it on the PTR say that's how it works

[remote dawn]

Charge into pack and iv a melee or Jump out and Charge in

[woeful harbor]

Mhhh you Must charge on a player with reprisal Go became the 200% buff right ?

[normal ingot]

I guess it will be another incentive to take double time

[woeful harbor]

Normal charge on Enemy ist ok die reprisal ?

[remote dawn]

Ye

[woeful harbor]

Lol on german description its the player charge

[maiden star]

Hey guys new to warrior here. What is seismic?

[smoky wave]

that's the old one

[amber herald]

seismic reverberation

it's a legendary

[maiden star]

Ty

[woeful harbor]

Zu seismic next week 70%

[open monolith]

Seismic will be the go-to low-key smashing legendary

[maiden star]

Are people debating whether seismic will be better for m+ vs reprisal now?

[ionic fern]

No.

[open monolith]

Or the "i definitely outgear this content and require no additional survivability"

[jagged pier]

[maiden star]

Ok

[signal plover]

Seismic =

[median quiver]

necrolord is good as of 9.0.5 right?

[amber herald]

yep

[mild lintel]

I have a question when tanking Mueh’zala in De Other Side, if someone could help me?

I use my [Spell Reflection] against ‘Master of Death’ against the green-backwards dodging one.

I stand there strong in the front line but & maintain more active uptime & globals but, would it be better to use it on one of the other two attacks from the ‘Master of Death’ chain?

Patch 9.0.2
~ Husky-Greymane (210 920 Human Protection Warrior) thank you so much for any help in advance!

[austere stream]

Situationally

[jagged pier]

[median quiver]

what would u craft if youre just gearing ur warrior and have no lego?

[austere stream]

Wall

[jagged pier]

i love i can do this again

[amber herald]

you should dodge all of the master of death attacks

don't use any mitigation on them, you want to save your defensives for soulcrusher

[jagged pier]

you just SR soulcrusher

[ionic fern]

You should reflect Soul Crusher.

[fallow iron]

has there been a consensus on unstoppable force vs ravager post-buffs?

[jagged pier]

rav still

[median tulip]

No

[austere stream]

Wish I had my defensive up when my ex started casting that.

[jagged pier]

@ionic fern did u do any sims with reprisal?

[amber herald]

tbh I'm more interested about ITF vs ravager now that we're taking BSC

[signal plover]

@jagged pier

He may have said "don't quote me"

[sturdy lynx]

with reprisal and the larger uptime on shield block. Anger management will be a more viable option again for mythic + ?

[signal plover]

Right after that

[amber herald]

AM is going to be the choice now for m+ yeah

[jagged pier]

yer but he linked sims of the wall or seimic ealier @signal plover was just wonder if he simmed with reprisal

[fallow iron]

Dont quote, but screenshots are okay.\

[signal plover]

;)

[austere stream]

So obviously you quote him.

[signal plover]

Yeah obviously

[mild lintel]

I would be preventing more damage from happening to me using [Spell Reflection] against ‘Soul Crusher’ & avoiding all of ‘Master of Death’ correct? ❤️

[amber herald]

yeah

[jagged pier]

yus

[sturdy lynx]

awesome, looking forward for next week !

[median tulip]

If you are Kyrian I would expect UF to edge out Ravager; if not, the reverse

[amber herald]

why kyrian? 🤔

[flat bramble]

when you SR soul crusher in very high key, you heal is like what ? why dont he take damage here, i am ready to pump heal 😄

[median tulip]

Rage generation

[jagged pier]

u dont need the rage gen from TC tho

[mild lintel]

Thanks so much everyone for the help! I didn’t know I was playing incorrectly! ❤️

[flat bramble]

if you dont sr it, spam IP

[amber herald]

he always soulcrushers after master of death then cosmic artifice

so time your SR for the end of cosmic artifice cast

so master of death --> cosmic --> soulcrushe

r

I remember there was a way to make heroic leap do no damage, is that still in the game?

[hybrid socket]

Why is AM talent to go in 9.0.5? Only bcs of reprisal buff?

[strong forum]

Yus

[hybrid socket]

Or bcs of flat dmg boost?

[strong forum]

You don't need the block uptime from bolster because of reprisal

Thus AM nets more benefits cuz dmg and SW CD reduction

[tame jasper]

wow I didn't know soulcrousher is SRable

[lime urchin]

It deflects

[sterile moss]

it negates the dot

[lime urchin]

Not reflect

[flat bramble]

you can SR on the explosion of the third boss too 😄

[sterile moss]

you still have to block the hit

[amber herald]

SR barbed on hakkar

[tame jasper]

ah oka

[strange lintel]

sr inervas add feels amazing as dps warrior lol

[amber herald]

piercing barb*

[flat bramble]

good use of SR make the warrior the best tank for some boss fight

[sterile moss]

piercing you also want to block for the physical component

or barb or w/e it's called from hakkar

[median tulip]

Basically with Mueh'zela you need to have SR and SB up when he finishes casting the MoD > Cosmic Artifice sequence

[strange lintel]

yeah you can sr the stab in hakkar

you can spell reflect cosmic artifice?

[amber herald]

is the SR on 3rd boss of SOA still happening

with 9.0.5

[flat bramble]

normally you dont even take cosmic

[hexed rune]

Man, having a really hard time deciding covenant.
Why can't they make swapping covenants easier?

It's such a big part of gameplay

[tame jasper]

What brings me to "what do you loose / have to redo, when chaning?

[woeful trellis]

Even if u play ur offspecc its Frustration to switch

[hexed rune]

Especially if you think you might regret a choice.

Go do the redo quest, all the fuckinh chapters, the hall has to be reupraded

Etc etc

[sweet kayak]

Maybe we could make a vote and see if people will switch Necro? 🙂

[austere stream]

It's supposed to be frustrating to switch. It's done intentionally to discourage casual swapping.

[hexed rune]

Rip

[woeful trellis]

I dont think That i switch from kyrian

[hexed rune]

Yea I guess.

[wild chasm]

But I’m a filthy casual....

[tame jasper]

You have to collect all the anima again to build ab your sancturay?

[north pecan]

Meh getting back into prot and the dps isn't as bad as I thought, pulled 3.3 on a 14 SD at 202 item lvl

[austere stream]

Åh need to do CN this week...

[hexed rune]

I want to swap to necro cause I love the covenant, but no consistent m+ group and raid group doesn't like the buff.

So might be pain

[solemn magnet]

It wouldn't be the end of the world

[austere stream]

Necro buff is just not very useful in PF or ToP.

[solemn magnet]

Isn't the PF slime one like 15% haste?

[austere stream]

Yeah, but only if you're in 10y radius of the player who flesh crafted it.

[hexed rune]

The idea of pming pugs and asking them to press convoke after banner will be a chore

[austere stream]

So either you stack like a crazy or only one person gets it.

[hexed rune]

Pretty sure fleshcraft is auto pick up from bodies now

[solemn magnet]

Screw the party. 15% haste for me sounds pretty aight

[austere stream]

No, it just reduces the CD by 1s for each body.

[hexed rune]

Ah

[austere stream]

And if your healer can handle it, stacking in the slime itself is 30%...

[wild chasm]

RIP ragemote infinite execute combo...

[north pecan]

Just have the WA that shows dps CDs, and when the moonkin/hunter/w.e pops cd use banner

Not that difficult

[north valve]

Hey if I’ve been a arms/fury player but I’m switching to prot. Still wanting to play dps spec occasionally would it be better to switch to Kyrian or NF? Currently venthyr

[tender sky]

The fleshcraft corpse pickup now triggers the PF slime buffs, though. Don't need to channel on it like before, I'm pretty sure

[hexed rune]

Any of those could work.

[north pecan]

https://www.herodamage.com/warrior/

[hexed rune]

NF/kyrian are better for prot. And I believe NF is good for fury as well

So, NF I guess?

[north pecan]

Just look between those, kyrian is more needed in dungeons for the covenant, but nf and kyrian are close to equal in +

[glacial skiff]

So does the 50% bonus from best served cold get applied to the “Revenge!” Proc from reprisal?

[north pecan]

No

[glacial skiff]

You sure?

[north pecan]

They were testing it out last night and that was what was said

[blissful pebble]

Does the revenge! generated by reprisal in any way impact the likelihood of getting a revenge! proc from dodge or parry?

[north pecan]

I havent myself but others have asserted that

Considering you not charge revenge, instead of charge thunderclap not really

now*

[vivid hull]

Quick question for m+ leggo: is it still thunderlord? Or switch to reprisal? Ty!

[north pecan]

Pinned messages

[north pecan]

Thats out of date moreorless come tuesday

[blissful pebble]

Isn't that image outdated (well at the end of this week)

[strange lintel]

the wall will still be the primary if i recall right

[wanton condor]

as of reset it will be

[vivid hull]

Yes. I know. But I assume things might change with 9.0.5

[wanton condor]

I'm totally running Seismic for anything that isn't too difficult though

[north pecan]

For raid wall, reprisal +

[rich helm]

What are the best Trinkets to farm next week ?

[wanton condor]

revenge goes brrrrrrrrrrr

[strange lintel]

why tho

[blissful pebble]

There is anewer pinned on 9.05 specifically

[vivid hull]

So it’s reprisal with AM come 9.0.5?

[north pecan]

Yep

[vivid hull]

Ty

[strange lintel]

oh right they changed reprisal im looking at it ingame lol

[blissful pebble]

Some talent choices it seems remain a point of debate

[sick sentinel]

What slot for reprisal is everyone going for?

[jolly thistle]

yes, it works

[north pecan]

@sick sentinel If you have bad pieces for both, go legs, if you have a good 226 legs and bad feet go feet

[sick sentinel]

Gotcha. Thank you

[brazen sorrel]

hey guys, we gonna see a resurgence of warrior tank next patch?

[signal plover]

Moreso if you won't have access to M SLG legs anytime soon, go legs

[rich helm]

what are the best trinkets from m+ ?

[dark lark]

blood spattered scale

[signal plover]

I'm guessing just a slight bump up in representation. VDH will remain dominant for now

[north pecan]

@brazen sorrel I think we will be about equal to brew/bear. So a good tied 2nd

[north valve]

Wait so if I haven’t crafted a prot legendary yet because I’m switching from DPS, should I craft the wall or reprasial for Tuesday?

[signal plover]

For raid or m+?

[north valve]

Gonna be doing both focusing on mostly raid

[signal plover]

I'd do wall 1st, reprisal 2nd

[barren socket]

the necro decision is killing me lmao

[north pecan]

Meh I would still go reprisal as its smoother gameplay and might make him play prot more

[signal plover]

K

[astral crystal]

reprisal wont have the same value in raid im pretty sure

[dark lark]

For the Necro buff, do my allies that want the buff have to stay right next to me in melee range? Or do I apply to the two closest and then move on with my life

[solar crown]

The wall is safe. Reprisal is not on live, yet, so i would wait just to make sure :D

[north pecan]

No, but extra sb on pull, intervene charge in when you want to pull offtank, free 8s of sb

[strange lintel]

second one

[dark lark]

ty

[astral crystal]

that's hardly competitive with getting 2x to 3x shield walls depending on encounter length

[blissful pebble]

You dont need as much SB uptime in raid as you are sharing tanking and there are less charge opportunities. Wall for raid more shieldwalls and rage on slams.

[dark lark]

Time to simp for my boomies

[north valve]

I think I’ll just craft the wall then just so I can start tanking and getting use to it, then work on reprasial

[woeful trellis]

yep, i would do the same ginger tw is bis

[dark lark]

i love tw for m+ personally

but using anger management with reprisal is going to be niiiice

[solar crown]

I would get thewall for raids anyways. You dont really need the extra sb there

[winter temple]

if your not raiding mythic, id craft reprisal tbh, i tanked hc nathria all the way through at 195 ilvl without the wall, if you're gonna be playing a lot you'll get more use out of reprisal starting next week

[blissful pebble]

I could tank Hc without any legendary but that doesn't make it optimal.

[covert cradle]

me too. Giving up phial is going to be tough, especially for an ability mostly for the party.

[uneven mason]

tanked normal at 195ilvl?

[winter temple]

hc

[uneven mason]

logs plz

[sweet summit]

what

dont need logs to believe that

[jagged pier]

sounds about right to be honest

[sweet summit]

people did hc first week with sub 200 ilvl

[jagged pier]

^^

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

was raiding hc in less in first few weeks

[strange lintel]

people doing normal with 135 gear. i can believe doing hc on 195

[uneven mason]

I was as well, I want to check the numbers.

[jagged pier]

i was 190 on first shriekwing kill

[winter temple]

and ya i wasnt talking about being optimal in each situation, if you can clear hc, and your not a mythic raider, you're primaril gearing through m+ might as well make your life easier and go reprisal just my 2 cents

[sweet summit]

our first sire kill we had an average item level of 196.9

[barren socket]

so, which necro soulbind should we go?

[uneven mason]

Emnem

[jagged pier]

i was 202 i think i got lucky with vault as i killed him second week

was 196 on SLG tho

[quartz briar]

Why does reprisal make stuff smoother, it just sounds like something you put on and pulling with charge is slightly safer

[uneven mason]

making it safer = smoother

So atm, when we engage we have a choice - do I slap Revenge to lock aggro in

or do I hit SB

[jagged pier]

more sb's so there for u smooth out more damage

[sand condor]

im gonna time

[uneven mason]

and then head for a revenge after a SS for rage (really with avatar you can do both)

[sand condor]

how long im in queue for keys

its been 30 minues already

[jagged pier]

Tru

[uneven mason]

Reprisal removes that choice between offense and defense, you get SB, 40 rage, and a free revenge

[jagged pier]

long time lots of declines

[uneven mason]

so your first GCD can be a "revenge" and if you want, can even pump a IP

so you're really tanky on engage

and have produce aggro!

[quartz briar]

Understood, super well put, ty

[uneven mason]

It doesn't address all of our issues

but what it does is open up our engage rage budget to where we CAN make a choice

since DPS don't wait 1 GCD

[jagged pier]

fix the class not give us borrowed power please bliz

[uneven mason]

RIght

big brain, replace Rumbling earth with Warbringer again

[flat bramble]

you can leap charge too, or a good way to come back after some kitting, really reprisal seems so good

[uneven mason]

I Mean prior to the nerf you could engage with ~14seconds

thats now more like 11 seconds

of Shield block.

[flat bramble]

love bolster so much 😦

[jagged pier]

u can still run bolster if u want

[flat bramble]

that extra rage with conduit + free SB + spamming revenge and IP while ravager, even for exec phase

[jagged pier]

but now LS will be what its supposed to be a dps CD

[flat bramble]

like those exec under ravager, shield slam, exe

[unique osprey]

Im looking to Tank as prot warrior but also want to play fury on the side if my group doesnt need a tank. What covenant is good for both? Im thinking Night Fae is good for aoe damage. Tanking will be mainly in raids and M+ and fury only in M+

[jagged pier]

nightfae for that probably

[uneven mason]

NF is big pumps in M+

[flat bramble]

• a stun + cc zone for like 8 sec

[uneven mason]

non DR stun~

[unique osprey]

Yeah thought so, so will be perfecly fine if i play the 2 specs

[uneven mason]

yeah

[flat bramble]

yeah

[uneven mason]

TBH right now K N and V are fine for both

[flat bramble]

you will see those cleave in fury spec 😄

[uneven mason]

with the patch all 4 covenants will be fine.

NL might even be fun for fury, with the 28% str and 400 mastery

[unique osprey]

But prot with condemn isnt that awkward?

[uneven mason]

some big enrages

[flat bramble]

first prot world (pika) was a long time venthyr 😄

[uneven mason]

for AE yes, for ST its a DPS ability that provides about 60% of the absorb per rage of IP

so, on ST its not that awkward and it refunds rage when it doesn't kill.

[urban bane]

is reprisal + BSC over BV the play for M+?

[uneven mason]

most iwll do that yes

BV might still see use due to wanting to burst with avatar + BV then

[jagged pier]

yus

[uneven mason]

since BSC doesn't buff aftershock

[jagged pier]

according to sims

[patent osprey]

plka will be a necrolord next week 😉