they definitely need heals
#protection
upper juniper
grizzled nova
lmao what
chilly brook
DH is 50% prot 50% blood
compact palm
Reprisal will fix that
upper juniper
they have a bdk like mechanic with soul cleave
distant crystal
a vdh that doesn't have at least one of fiery brand/demon spikes/meta
upper juniper
but theyre not bdk level not at all close
distant crystal
is paper
chilly brook
Mitigation of prot, healing like mechanics of blood
shell hare
You legit take no dmg it’s just dealing damage that’s a problem 😔 highest I’ve done was like 3.9 overall
sturdy sable
they have a bdk like mechanic with soul cleave
It's actually tied to the souls not the cleave itself
sturdy sable
You'd get the same healing just walking over the souls
upper juniper
:p
chilly brook
It's really a mash up of tank specs
outer solstice
You legit take no dmg it’s just dealing damage that’s a problem 😔 highest I’ve ...
tried Plka's seismic? xD
sturdy sable
Cleave has its own heal
chilly brook
It's incredibly fun to play tbh
grizzled nova
You'd get the same healing just walking over the souls
Soul cleave's healing is tied to using souls.
distant crystal
they still haven't fixed vdh souls removing grievous stacks tho
compact palm
Dealing 1k more overall is making up for like 4-5 deaths
outer solstice
Reprisal will fix that
well wait for them to charge into shockwave, just to get blasted by a synchronized melee swing
sturdy sable
The souls is what scales off damage intake Hance why bomb can heal off it
compact palm
Blasted
shell hare
tried Plka's seismic? xD
I have not but I’m following the guide of griff and max to go with reprisal over seismic first. As of now just tanking with signet
outer solstice
oof
compact palm
Lol
chilly brook
Well reprisal when 9.0.5 drops
outer solstice
might want tto build the wall
chilly brook
Until then wall is king imo
grizzled nova
It's fair to say that there's a percentage based healing mechanic on both vdh and bdk, but it isn't reality to claim that they allow a healer to lense the ability of the tank to survive in the same way.
chilly brook
TL is also really good
outer solstice
wall will still be pretty good in 905
distant crystal
It's fair to say that there's a percentage based healing mechanic on both vdh an...
compact palm
How much dps does signet add for prot real question
outer solstice
AoE?
compact palm
And why doesn't it work with ravager
grizzled nova
https://tenor.com/bb8JD.gif
No healer in the world would tell you the self healing of vdh and bdk is similar, is my point.
outer solstice
well a bit more than 0
grizzled nova
Even if they have mechanical similarities.
distant crystal
oh well yeah, i mean nobody with eyes that's ever looked at a log would say that
BDK self-healing is a replacement for mitigation really
outer solstice
on our first hungering kill our BDK had only slightly less EHRPS than me though
they still require healing too
median tulip
So, I've been thinking (big mistake I know), but with nuReprisal giving Shield Block without relying on the actual Shield Block charges or rage generation from Shield Slam, will Haste still be the absolute play that it has been thus far in SL, or could Crit and Mastery rise in relative value for the Reprisal/BSC/AM build that most of us are anticipating?
outer solstice
yes
more haste, more SS resets, more rage, more revenge
it's not just about the SB CD
for defense haste is king
for damage it's a mixx of crit/haste that's simming highest atm I think
blazing condor
just out of curiosity whats considered "good" dps overall in m+?
median tulip
Yes, but (correct me id I'm wrong) many of us are looking at the offensive value, and with up to 100 extra Rage per minute from Charge and Intervene, that's a lot of potential damage output before we get into the Shield Slams
outer solstice
last boss dead in time?
100 extra rage per minute is not that much though
also it's actually more
you still save the IP and SB rage costs
median tulip
just out of curiosity whats considered "good" dps overall in m+?
Depends on the situation. Most of the really high DPS numbers are AoE on trash, which is useful in its own place but only takes you so far
outer solstice
so if oyu say you ghet 5 casts off per minutes it's another 300 rage you save...
by running reprisal
more IP you use, when you don't need it to prevent overcappign means more healer DPS too
more rage is 100% king
and best way for more rage is haste
median tulip
you still save the IP and SB rage costs
Sure, I mean nuReprisal works out as a Rage budget equivalent to 350 Rage /minute, if you use both Charge and Intervene on Cooldown. But there's 100 extra "loose" Rage, as it were
outer solstice
also I think reprisal + Am is stronk
median tulip
I'm certainly working on the assumption that Reprisal and AM is the play, yes
outer solstice
then haste has insane offensive value as well
booming + avatar will line up pretty good
chilly brook
No healer in the world would tell you the self healing of vdh and bdk is similar...
Well because one goes to 5% and bounces back to 70% and the other goes to 70% and bounces back to 95%
median tulip
My starting point for Talents is x112xx1
outer solstice
well, to heal a BDK you have to track his ressources
more than his HP
common healer knowledge
chilly brook
Well yea
RP is basically the "do I need help or nah" indicator
But that's the same thing for most tanks
They all have some sort of "I need help" indicator
median tulip
A BDK can be at 20% and absolutely fine, or at 100% and already dead.
outer solstice
yeah SB down for us xD
chilly brook
Bloods just happens to be RP
Whereas most peoples are actual CDs
It requires tracking for both
chilly brook
I hate playing it
median tulip
I only play healer rarely. Mostly on Sun King with my Shaman TBH
next pelican
bdk just needs a bit more armor
outer solstice
I often compare the BDK/warrior difference like holy-priest/disc priest
chilly brook
I feel like I'm in less control
outer solstice
one has to play full predictive
median tulip
Didn't they buff DK armour from Bone Shield recently?
outer solstice
the other majority reactive
next pelican
watn enough
compact palm
In raids prediction isn't really doffocult
chilly brook
the other majority reactive
Neither are reactive tanks
Blood is just as proactive as prot
median tulip
I bounced off Blood DK when I tried it
outer solstice
ppl think it's reactive, but it's not
compact palm
Holy preists reactive 100
lavish oracle
I'm not a fan of low mobility classes in general
arctic wasp
how is bdk not reactive when you have to literally wait 5ish seconds to get dmg to heal ?, or am i missing something ? xD
outer solstice
@arctic wasp it has to be planned
next pelican
you need to anticipate when youre taking damage and need to DS
median tulip
I'm not a fan of low mobility classes in general
absolutely agree. This is why I abandoned my Warlock at the End of Nya'lotha
next pelican
death strike isn't an OH SHIT button
arctic wasp
i know you plan it, but you are still reacting after you get the dmg
chilly brook
how is bdk not reactive when you have to literally wait 5ish seconds to get dmg ...
You're playing 5 seconds ahead the whole time as a BDK
outer solstice
you need to anticipate when youre taking damage and need to DS
and THIS is exatly my point, why the holy preist/disc priest comparison is so fitting, the name "reactive" might be wrong
arctic wasp
there is a difference between planning and reacting than planning and panicing
chilly brook
No because you're actively building the resources for something that happens in 5 seconds @arctic wasp
Its very proactive
arctic wasp
my point is, that's still reactive and not proactive, on a pwarr you press your button before the dmg, therefor proactivly mitigating, whith the dk you do it aftermath
chilly brook
If you die as a blood DK it's likely because of something you did or failed to do 10 or more seconds before it happened
It's not reactive though...
You press 1 button after the fact
chilly brook
Everything else is being done before hand
Go into the blood dk discord and tell them they're reactive
arctic wasp
is fine, for me you still waiting for the dmg to come to react, and that's why ppl say it's "reactive" by your definition, everyclass in everygme is proactive when play properly as you ahve to plan ahead if you want to be good xD
arctic wasp
yeah is prob a bad word anyways
outer solstice
holypriest - discpriest is similar to bdk - protwarrior
chilly brook
compact palm
Yikes
outer solstice
that's a bad definition
chilly brook
Is it?
outer solstice
the control part is weird
imagine emergency serices
they are definitely reactive but they are controlling it
chilly brook
If you purely respond to incoming damage that's how you kill yourself as a DK
coarse kestrel
I'd argue every class is proactive when played correctly, yes
arctic wasp
is fine, is semantics, i might be wrong tbh english is not even my 1st language so i'll give it to u :P, i just think ppl says the R word just because you act after the dmg, which is kind of different for most tanks, maybe monks do the same with their teas ? 😛
arctic wasp
others have to act after the impact
yup, that's my point
both have to be in control and plan the events
if you dont want to die xD
chilly brook
What you're failing to grasp
chilly brook
Is that playing "reactively" as blood and simply just playing whack a mole gets you killed
outer solstice
oh we know
but so does holy priest if you do it that way
it was all about the comparison
not about the word
arctic wasp
yeah that's true, i mean if you use your deathstrike as a panic button , eventually you'll drop sooner than later
chilly brook
If you're not playing ahead of everything you're dead especially in higher damage intake
median tulip
isn't Holy Priest all about getting cooldown reduction on your major spells by casting lesser ones?
chilly brook
Old LotP was a purely reactive ability
Cost ya nothing
And was simply a whack a mole after damage
outer solstice
isn't Holy Priest all about getting cooldown reduction on your major spells by c...
yep, and you have to know when to use them and how to reduice them in what siotuation, you also have to get your baseline on, it's completely different to disc
that's why I was bringing the comparison up
chilly brook
But death strike, while yes you press it after the damage occurred, heavily plays off of a very proactive rune/runic power management system
outer solstice
I mean, we do similar things with CDR on SW and avatar with AM/Wall on top of that, but that wasn't my point
outer solstice
But death strike, while yes you press it after the damage occurred, heavily play...
yep
no complaint there
median tulip
My highest priest is 51 but I just got her through the maw the week SL launched and haven't touched her since... or, TBH, for about 6 months before
outer solstice
oh well I main prot my alt is holy priest
next pelican
the maw 😴
median tulip
TBH, I don't mind the intro scenario where you're in the maw, but the bit that pisses me off is Bolvar wittering on while you can't move
compact palm
Holy preists oneshots in 2v2 its hilarious
median tulip
Hopefully in 9.1 they will do away with that ridiculous intro scenario for alts
outer solstice
Holy preists oneshots in 2v2 its hilarious
but, like how?
oh well I guess the same way that ppl play fury in arena
many clueless play it in arena xD
compact palm
Its not a legit oneshot obv but u can chunk for like 50 percent in 2 seconds ah holy
outer solstice
which he heals back in 1 instant
compact palm
True assuming they sent in cc
outer solstice
but yeah warbreaker, stormbolt bladestorm with unhinged is a big f**** to any clothy
well he can Guardian spirit in CC
compact palm
I'm saying the prist is doing the dmg
outer solstice
ooooh
compact palm
Not taking it
outer solstice
that way xD
shrewd elm
Guys i fairly new to tanking but want to give prot warrior a go. Is that a mistake?
compact palm
Lol
outer solstice
no
prot is fun
but be ready for some hand-practice
we hit many many buttonz
and fast
lusty torrent
if u brainded then no
compact palm
Mind games holy 🔥 chastise
outer solstice
what's a brain?
compact palm
Hurts
lusty torrent
if u brainded play vdh
shrewd elm
Haha nah i like to be off meta for a weird reason. Also i read that in the next patch necro will be our best covenent is that true?
lusty torrent
depends
compact palm
Prob not unless ur pushing 18s in discord
lusty torrent
will u be able to consistently get the mastery buff onto dps classes that use mastery during their 2 minutes cds?
if no probably not, stay kyrian
otherwise yes
compact palm
I'm necro because I always queue with 2 dps
shrewd elm
Cool haha
median tulip
Honestly Covenant doesn't make a great deal of difference to Prot
shrewd elm
Ok last one.how is our survivability compared to other tanks
compact palm
Depends on DMG type
median tulip
arguably Kyrian for the free potions, but then you have to join the creepy smurf cult
compact palm
If it's block able really good
median tulip
Ok last one.how is our survivability compared to other tanks
Physical, blockable damage = you laugh at it
Like, to the extent that Raid bosses kinda tickle
Magic Damage though... oh boy that stings
shrewd elm
That sounds good
golden pollen
and ur SW is up quite a bit if its in m+, just make sure ur using the wall if u wanna be tanky
lusty torrent
although that nuReprisal do be looking juicy
real veldt
Depending on the frequency on the magic damage and whether or not it's reflectable, warrior can be very good at that too
But that's very fight dependent, and as a general rule of thumb, we're at a disadvantage compared to other tanks
golden pollen
reprisal is 9.1 right? still gonna be at least a few weeks before we get that
amber siren
.5
median tulip
9.0.5
median tulip
I would guess next week or the week after
golden pollen
time to save my soul ash, was gonna use it to upgrade unhinged for pvp lol
shrewd elm
Ok so bottomline we still can tank +15 and hc raids without suffering too much?
median tulip
I've been saving up for a couple of weeks. If it's not next week I should be able to go directly to Rank 4 of Reprisal
compact palm
We are really good in raids
dull fossil
As little fun I had in M+ I must say... filling in for our OT in Heroic Castle is pretty ok
median tulip
Top tier Rank Tank. Use The Wall and laugh at bosses
lusty torrent
bottom line, with upcoming changes, we are top 3 at the bare minimum
real veldt
You can, although the community perception of prot warriors is such that a lot of M+ groups will reject you.
shrewd elm
I got a guild
real veldt
The upcoming changes to prot (most notably the redesigned Reprisal legendary) could help to fix that, though
median tulip
You can basically do whatever you want in guild groups. I was playing Surv on my hunter earlier today xD
vestal moat
Pugging m+ is very doable. It's getting a group that's the hard part.
median tulip
Community perception is the problem
golden pollen
if u want to pug 15s, use ur own key
much easier than trying to pug into a 15 as a prot warrior
its doable, just not worth the amount of headache lol
outer solstice
Ok last one.how is our survivability compared to other tanks
we struggle a bit with all kind of dots, but we are superior on most blockable physical damage, and good on everythign else, spellreflect gives us a unique niche to sometimes compltely ignore mechanics
dull fossil
bit of a pain to remember where it's working though
outer solstice
Ok so bottomline we still can tank +15 and hc raids without suffering too much?
we can eve do Mhytic raids without sruggling much
well without struggling more than other tanks
median tulip
much easier than trying to pug into a 15 as a prot warrior
Using your own key also means you can select the right classes to give the effects you need for the run. Often overlooked TBH
tardy parcel
It seems that having a few timed 15s under your belt can help with receiving invites as well. I timed my first 3 with my guild, and pugged the remaining 5 without much issue - none of which were my own key
median tulip
Oh definitely
and having multiple 15s even moreso
one might be a carry. multiples is no accident
fallow beacon
infinite sadness friends
gentle notch
https://www.wowhead.com/news=321249/patch-9-0-5-is-march-9th-full-patch-notes confirmed next reset
Reprisal "only" gives shield block for 4 seconds. Was this already known?
astral crystal
hm, dont think so
outer solstice
20% damage reduction from night fae priests now
did I miss that? damn, sounds biiiig
Damage of all abilities increased by 10%. Damage of Thunder Clap increased by an additional 10%.
why the TC buff though
+10% of nothing is still nothing
grand drum
20% of nothing*
astral crystal
it's not a bad buff tbh
outer solstice
21% plz
grand drum
yea its basically a free show of force
outer solstice
which is pretty bad ^^
I wonder what happens if I pop fleshcraft with last stand and rally, will the shield be like 50k then?
gentle notch
Does only getting 4 sec from reprisal mean we wont have the mythical 100% uptime?
outer solstice
if you want the 100% just go bolster
I think mwahi got like 95% and up with AM on PTR
glacial skiff
Reprisal has been redesigned – Charge and Intervene grant you Shield Block for 4 seconds, Revenge!, and generates 20 Rage.
Goddamit
outer solstice
it's still good
glacial skiff
Why couldn’t it have been a full shield block
vestal moat
Still sounds good for me
gentle notch
We talked too much about it
glacial skiff
Seismic sounds like a decent dps legendary now tho
slender idol
nerfed before we even got to use it lol
glacial skiff
Revenge hitting each enemy for 75% if hitting 3+ targets
outer solstice
sismic was already good at 40%
late rampart
I hope we get to wear 2 legendaries in 9.1 Reprisal plus Seismic 🤤
round vortex
Wait, this has probably been there the entire time in the patch notes. But I just saw it now LOL so extra happy for me haha
cloud gorge
Nah it was hot fixed yesterday
static shore
We’re gonna be kings of m+ with all these buffs ?
glacial skiff
I doubt it
weak spindle
Just reading patch notes
glacial skiff
But we’ll be able to compete IMO
burnt bluff
Warriors are still gonna do piss poor damage
static shore
Seismic reverberation, reprisal only cucks use it
static shore
It’s gonna be the best m+ legendary for sure
mellow patio
:cringe:
static shore
Night fae ftw even tho I’m kyrian
round vortex
How many of you rerolling banner?
mighty valley
wonder if the 10% applies to covenant abilities
compact palm
It does
burnt bluff
hitting 40 next week right intime to go necro
mighty valley
i'm 
or die
late rampart
Necro prot warrior going to be a must for raid imo. M+ this will help push us from dead last to mid pack maybe?
burnt bluff
As much as it hurts you to hear it in raid we are there to bring a buff
and now to bring more buffs
Can't wait to spend 16 hours a day progging on warrior
🙃 🙃 🙃 🙃
compact palm
Throw ur salt in the hunter forums my dude they live off it
late rampart
it's better than not being brought to raid at all lol
glacial skiff
I’m interested in seeing if reprisal will be stronger than new seismic
Seriously fuck thunder lord tho
mighty valley
i'm there to tank lol, i'm not exactly going for first month cutting edge so i do not care to hop to fotm specs
mellow patio
No one should worry that much about playing what’s good especially if your guild doesn’t have ce yet like why would you play something you don’t enjoy for an average ranking. Nothing wrong with average ranking my guild is there too but if I didn’t enjoy it I’d be unsubbed
static shore
Seismic is going to be the shizzle
glacial skiff
I’m thinking seismic with best served cold would be strong for aoe
burnt bluff
it really only matters are the super top end
glacial skiff
Unsure if you’d use that with reprisal tho
static shore
Why everybody gives a fk about reprisal
glacial skiff
Free shield block buddy
compact palm
Best served cold will gain value with reprisal aswell
static shore
Like you are brought to raids for the god damn buff and your block Miri GAY tion
Give people more dmg
stray gazelle
did reprisal get nerfed to give shield block to only 4 secs?
burnt bluff
and I can stay DH
static shore
Wall for raid and seismic for m+
glacial skiff
Like you are brought to raids for the god damn buff and your block Miri GAY tion
First off, keys.
Second don’t be a homophobe or get kicked.
static shore
Lol
mellow patio
:cringe:
dense flame
i still think reprisal will be bis for m+
static shore
With 34% haste I can have 100 % uptime on block
dense flame
its the same argument for dh. DH originally thought the CDR on sigil leggo would be bis b/c you can just kite more and sigil more.
glacial skiff
Good for you Kaine, but this is a public discord and it’s not about YOU
pallid isle
what about the reduced rage to keep up the block w/ reprisal?
dense flame
but FB build does similar dmg and they can face tank a lot longer.
i imagine same argument can be made about reprisal vs seismic
sick sentinel
So with the Nerco changes, is it going to be BiS for M+ and raiding?
burnt bluff
🙃 never said it was
mighty valley
you'd need a pretty specific m+ group for it to be anything like optimal there imo
dense flame
static shore
dense flame
tbh i'd prefer to go kyrian. Maybe venthyr wont be bis covenant next tier for dps.
for prog*
gentle notch
I play with a boomkin all the time and warrior is my main alt so I am just gonna have a good time buffing him with my banner
compact palm
Just make him stand next to you in melee simple
indigo crypt
is thunderlords > buffed seismic reverb for keys?
mighty valley
definitely better for keys that are actually dangerous. if we end up speed grinding +14s for valor maybe seismic is good
compact palm
Wait the patch is dropping tues
mighty valley
yuppppp
compact palm
Holy up
stray gazelle
i can see seismic being super good but that doesn't help that we still squishy with no sb up
heavy sail
Seismic is a better damage buff.
And thunderlords doesn’t have a use case at all with reprisal existing
So it’s not worth equating
lavish oracle
I just ran a whole SD 15 with AM talented instead of Bolster and didn't realize until the last boss >.>
lavish oracle
I was wondering why I was getting hit so hard on some packs, turns out I just had 0 mitigation up, lmao
mighty valley
"shield wall is up AGAIN...?"
lavish oracle
nah, my healer is just an absolute gamer
5k overall healing end of dungeon, 2k overall DPS
living the hpal dream
mighty valley
every healer I run with struggles in the kaalway a bit except our holy paladin, who just goes ultra instinct
heavy sail
5k overall is pretty high for hpally
open monolith
So with the Reprisal nerf it's still.. pretty good, right?
heavy sail
I haven’t seen the nerf
lavish oracle
did they balance it?
heavy sail
What is it
open monolith
Maybe no longer mandatory for m+?
4 seconds of shield block
Rather than full duration
Otherwise the same
lavish oracle
Mmmm, still pretty much mandatory, I think
compact palm
Still saves more rage then other options
merry ocean
Why cant they leave things nice
open monolith
I mean, that still is nice
glacial skiff
It’s only 2 seconds less
glacial skiff
So not that bad
lavish oracle
still seems like you just always take it but I dunno
heavy sail
Yeah definitely still always take it
compact palm
Seems likely they would've nerfed it to that when next tier hot anyway
lavish oracle
quick shhh
glacial skiff
So you’ll now get 40 rage from each charge with reprisal right
lavish oracle
everyone downplay it now
Aw man! The dream is dead!
prot warrior is bad again!
aw shucks
lavish hare
🤣🤣🤣
open monolith
Does it grant 20 ADDITIONAL rage? Or just... Changes the value to 20?
stiff osprey
So it prot warrior back?!
lavish oracle
20 additional
compact palm
20rage free revenge(20) and free block (30)
open monolith
Charge is now a defensive
lavish hare
So you’ll now get 40 rage from each charge with reprisal right
And SB and Revenge, which means we charge to a pack, filled with rage, protected and spamming TC and revenge to aggro
lavish oracle
Also, looks like it still grants SB for 6 seconds on PTR?
open monolith
Ptr < official patch release notes
lavish oracle
I mean, typos happen sometimes
lavish hare
So charge with Avatar, you just spam revenge and tc and all is yours. With double time.... uh lala
open monolith
Maybe.
glacial skiff
Yeah tbh I think reprisal will be the play over seismic
open monolith
But you know as well as I do that a full 6 seconds was overpowered
And I'm sure blizzard knew that as well
glacial skiff
Unless you’re just doing easy content
And with more rage I’m thinking best served cold will gain value
lavish hare
4 secs is more than enough to a pull or a intervene, we still have 2 charges on 13 secs, scaling with haste and Last stand with bolsetring
vague jetty
without bolster
lavish hare
Bolstering
glacial skiff
Especially since booming will be a 45s CD baseline
lavish oracle
20 seconds of extra SB every minute is still huge
compact palm
Seismic for numbers and Mabey if running with a shammy since they broken enough u can be risky
lavish hare
We are unstopable again
lavish oracle
way better than Bolster
lavish hare
😬
open monolith
So if you take double time, you can basically get 2 full Shield blocks for free per pack, ish
lavish oracle
Well, nah, not really
because double time charges don't recharge independently
they're stacks
glacial skiff
Double time will also gain value here
lavish oracle
so you have to wait 2 full recharges to get 2 charges of it back
open monolith
Yeah... Depend on how long it takes you to clear each pack i guess
glacial skiff
Curious if AM or bolster will be better at that rate
merry ocean
it lowers the CD on charge too
open monolith
Charge is what.. 15 sec recharge?
lavish oracle
with reprisal, you're just going to be casting it on CD in M+, double time'll still be the go-to in raid, though
lavish hare
You can charge, spam revenge, intervene to kite then charge back i mean...
glacial skiff
I’m also confused why nobody ever takes heavy repercussions
glacial skiff
Sure it’s rng kinda but still huge gains
lavish oracle
@glacial skiff Because the way it gives you SB duration is unreliable
amber herald
heavy sail
It basically just takes the uptime down from 100%, which is exactly what we all expected really.
lavish oracle
that's sooner than I thought
heavy sail
Yeah next reset
lavish hare
Yep, next week
amber herald
but I haven't farmed the soul ash yet
lavish hare
How many souls for a 235 i forgot
open monolith
We still probably take anger management now, yeah?
wary raft
Whats SB uptime looking to be with it only granting 4 secs
heavy sail
Yeah @open monolith
compact palm
5k
open monolith
5150 for rank 4
midnight stone
5k or something for a fresh 235
lavish hare
I’ll@still keep Bolster, its just master
lavish hare
5k or something for a fresh 235
Thanks
open monolith
With proper play I don't think you'll need bolster at all
lavish oracle
How much haste would you need to have 100% SB uptime with reprisal?
heavy sail
It’s a 33% nerf to the uptime of the legendary alone, I CBA to do the maths on that
lavish hare
Its just that Im not a pro, so the more mitigation I have, the more I stay alive and all stay happy hehe. So I have Bolster, SB, IP, Wall and scale for now hehehe
heavy sail
But it’s probably somewhere around 85% now
open monolith
It's hiiiiiigh
lavish oracle
doable
compact palm
85 still high yesh
lavish hare
With Orb from Spires and 10% of Troll racial, doable
lavish oracle
I've got a 226 emitter
sick sentinel
do you guys think that reprisal is going to beat out the wall and/or thunderlord now?
lavish oracle
hell ye
lavish hare
do you guys think that reprisal is going to beat out the wall and/or thunderlord...
About that, the rage generation is equal?
heavy sail
But reprisal for m+ is still the play
wary raft
Is warrior going to contend with other tanks now for the meta spot or is DH still too far ahead?
heavy sail
DH probably still ahead
lavish oracle
I don't know if I buy "The Wall is still the raiding legendary"
depends on the fight
lavish hare
And I mean, 10% increased dmg and 20% on TC is awsome
heavy sail
Reprisal just requires forced movement to be most effective, and forced movement while actively tanking.
sick sentinel
i usually run the dogs on huntsman so im definitely using reprisal there
lavish oracle
is not actually that bad, most of the time
lavish oracle
most fights have you moving anyways, or in a situation where moving out and back in quickly isn't actually a big problem
sick sentinel
oooo reprisal will be hella good on sludgefist too
lavish hare
I believe reprisal will be more M+ focused. Cause you will be tanking all the time. When you have to switch tanks it loses its potential in my opinion
heavy sail
On fights where correct movement and boss positioning is critical it shouldn’t be used.
There are some fights in CN where it works well, though.
lavish hare
You have to move away from sludge when he slams and charge back, but thats it
lavish hare
You would benefit more from the wall i believe
Constant rage generation and SW every minute or so
sick sentinel
I honestly think you couldn't go wrong with either leggo on sludge
plush tendon
Is it time to switch to Necro now???
amber herald
If you want to
the change brings them on par with the other covenants because currently necro isn't as good
heavy sail
I would say it’s probably the best now, but that’s dependent on you and who you play with.
amber herald
which one is bis is debateable
plush tendon
Anything not to be Kyrian anymore
heavy sail
If you have a dedicated group of guildmates or friends to play m+ with, definitely the play.
Banner just requires a tiny bit of coordination to use properly.
plush tendon
Yea, I dont have to pug
amber herald
I think I'm going to change for the dungeon buffs more than anything
heavy sail
Which is asking a lot of pugs
amber herald
no one I play with is necro
late rampart
do you think vers/mastery will be best with the high SB uptime of reprisal? Or still need a good chunk of haste to help get towards 100% uptime?
plush tendon
and we have 5 druids in our raid group sooooo
heavy sail
Reprisal devalues haste but I’m not sure how much.
plush tendon
usually 1-2 boomies in any key I do XD
heavy sail
Considering the nerf I’d say haste still has its place as the top priority.
zenith barn
so will reprisal be good for raid?
valid kraken
I'm going necro just cuz I'm bored of kyrian and I usually do m+ with the same 5-6 ppl
zenith barn
soooooo i could make the reprisal leggo and just use it for m+ and raids
plush tendon
noooo personal respoonsibility!!!!
heavy sail
If you swapped now you’d have a small renown lead on people who waited for 9.0.5 to actually drop
So I guess there’s a benefit
late rampart
Yeah, I feel you should definitely have another legendary ready like the wall for raids
mossy peak
i feel like you'd only need to be doing reprisal in raid if you were solo tanking
late rampart
some fights reprisal is just not going to get proper use
heavy sail
So if you want to just use a legendary and turn your brain off, go with Wall
late rampart
for fights where you can get the use, I feel reprisal is best.
mossy peak
getting higher uptime on shield block doesn't matter when you are sharing the boss and your downtime is irrelevant
late rampart
Likely having the wall and reprisal is necessary though. And who knows what the fights will be in 9.1. Anyone's guess.
heavy sail
I’d throw TL in the bin and craft Reprisal, Seismic and The Wall
Just as general advice
mossy peak
yeah thunderlord is what gets dumped
compact palm
Sludge fist 
mossy peak
reprisal is the clear winner for overall m+ tanking
and frankly puts prot on the map as a contender, albeit not to a vdh degree
heavy sail
The actual net damage that banner gives could make us potentially dish out more damage.
But it’s hard to quantify
There’s always going to be a ton of variables there
solemn magnet
i know i'm going to not like it, but should i give IQD a try in this case?
mossy peak
personally i find gluttonous to be super fat
it does a notable % of healing and damage
solemn magnet
yeah it do
mossy peak
can't speak for anime field
solemn magnet
anime is legit
heavy sail
Spike is one of those trinkets that sounds good but isn’t, really.
mossy peak
but i can't imagine you'd want IQD over it
solemn magnet
spike is currently 5% of my healing and 2.5% dmg overall
compact palm
But with the power of anime and kyrians on your side
heavy sail
Get an absorb my mans
compact palm
How can u lose
solemn magnet
i'm trying...
open monolith
Reprisal represents 100 rage per minute, and 20 seconssdof shield block per minute (and 5 free revenges) if not using double time.
vague jetty
That also assumes that you can charge on cd
compact palm
It gives us time to get agro without getting slapped it's insane
open monolith
Of course you can charge on cooldown
vague jetty
How would that work on sludge?
heavy sail
Intervene a caster, charge back in.
lavish hare
and frankly puts prot on the map as a contender, albeit not to a vdh degree
We have to see what the 10% upgrade in dmg and 20% in TC will mean though
heavy sail
Or leap
compact palm
U intervene offtsnk and get smorcced
vague jetty
um
compact palm
Run the wall in raid
vague jetty
You have just nullified anything else you same from this point on
mossy peak
we're still not gonna be gods of damage berimba, that's why i said we aren't top tier
but we are dragged out of the gutter for sure
open monolith
No, I really didn't.
heavy sail
If banner survives future tuning passes, double prot might be a thing for the next raid tier
open monolith
Reprisal is okay on some fights, but definitely not all. Shield block uptime isn't really needed on like... Any raid fight except Sire
lavish hare
can't speak for anime field
Anima field is bis for M+
heavy sail
It wouldn’t surprise me if limit or BDGG did something like that
lavish hare
Anima with scale and you are bis for M+
lavish oracle
I think Max was saying they'd probably need a brew next raid if WW changes go live the way they are
mossy peak
I mean the very next thing i said was I wouldn't pick that IQD over it
lavish hare
we're still not gonna be gods of damage berimba, that's why i said we aren't top...
Thanks
lavish oracle
Havoc I think is 100% playable for the buff, rn
heavy sail
Agreed
open monolith
Anything is playable
lavish oracle
I mean for WF
open monolith
cries in survival alt
lavish oracle
we're talking about WF raid comps
mossy peak
are you caught in a time warp and responding from five minutes ago
open monolith
Max won't say anything TRUE about what he thinks about next WF comp
outer spoke
Havoc I think is 100% playable for the buff, rn
Which buff?
open monolith
He even said on one of his recent streams that he always lies about what he thinks is good until after the race
lavish oracle
the 5% magic damage buff they give @outer spoke
open monolith
So anything he says at this point about the next world first comp you probably shouldn't take seriously
outer spoke
Ah ok, thougt their rng buff leggo right now 😂
lavish oracle
you need 1 in a raid comp and it's probably better to play Havoc than WW
open monolith
Why?
heavy sail
It’s true about WW though, if they aren’t shitting out damage there’s no advantage to bringing them over BrM
open monolith
Doesn't WW completely dunk on havoc?
lavish oracle
they fixed a bug with WW on PTR that destroys its ability to do multitarget
heavy sail
So your tank comp is completely dependent on WW tuning
lavish hare
In DoS (14’s ok? Not the huge content you prob play) Fortified, first pull. Whats working for me is charge with avatar and Last Stand on Bolstering. This is huge mitigation pull spamming IP. After that on second pull got SW available again with IP. This shit is saving my ass. With reprisal I just see things even more smooth with less effort
late rampart
WW is losing a lot of damage in 9.0.5 due to "bug fixes"
lavish oracle
absolutely deletes its Weapons of Order opener
open monolith
Ah didn't read that. I skip monk notes
late rampart
at this point looks like prot warrior/brew for WF race. But a lot can change still. 9.1 will come with a lot of tuning changes also I believe
amber herald
is the 4s duration new?
late rampart
it was undocumented sock. Kinda has WW community up in arms. Understandably so
mossy peak
tuning aside i definitely would bet on prot+brew
lavish oracle
In DoS (14’s ok? Not the huge content you prob play) Fortified, first pull. What...
I go LS + trinket + Demo for first pull and Wall + demo for 2nd
compact palm
20percent aoe nerf
sharp zealot
@amber herald wait the change I saw was just shield block
open monolith
@amber herald yes
lavish oracle
still like 93% SB uptime or something along those lines
mossy peak
yeah i don't think the nerf changes anything
amber herald
probably a correct change seemed a little too strong before
lavish oracle
just based on really quick napkin math
lavish hare
I go LS + trinket + Demo for first pull and Wall + demo for 2nd
LS pull is awsome, learned late, but not too late hehehe
sharp zealot
still reprisal for M+ tanking?
amber herald
93% with bolster or without?
lavish oracle
without
amber herald
lol
plush saffron
reprisal for all tanking
broken stratus
is the thunder clap rooting change coming live?
amber herald
what's the playstyle going to be like with reprisal?
open monolith
@broken stratus that was just you misreading the patch notes
open monolith
That was talking about the PvP talent
lavish oracle
kinda like momentum for Havoc DH but for tanking :d
lavish hare
what's the playstyle going to be like with reprisal?
Prob charge pack, intervene healer and charge back
Leap and charge again
Like this will work for reprisal
amber herald
double-time? 🤢
plush saffron
Avatar and UF or Ravager over Fray and Bolster probably and perhaps Best Served Cold over Booming Voice
heavy sail
Yup
open monolith
Fuck UF
lavish hare
☝🏼☝🏼
lavish oracle
Nah
amber herald
the change does make double-time more appealing but losing stormbolt in m+ is kinda big
lavish hare
Leave the stuns to dps’s hehe
amber herald
as if
heavy sail
Depends on the comp as to whether or not I would take it
lavish hare
We still have shockwave, pummel. And I believe pummel is redisigned too? Like a 3 sec silence?
heavy sail
If I’m playing with an outlaw there’s no real reason.
Stormbolt becomes a bit redundant
lavish oracle
Nah, I don't think you can ever have enough ST stuns in a group
Well, okay, if you could have like 12 or something, that's probably too many 😄
mossy peak
sounds like MOP pvp
amber herald
is it 93% uptime with double-time?
late rampart
it will be interesting to see what haste breakpoint for reaching 100% SB uptime with reprisal, because haste falls off on value after that
outer spoke
What is the amount of soul ash for r3 leggo?
astral geyser
lavish hare
Do I have to craft another leggo? Or can I upgrade a late Thinderlord feet with new Reprisal?
plush saffron
craft another
lavish hare
😒
open monolith
Imagine not saving soul ash for inevitable legendary buffs
Day 1 rank 4 reprisal whoooooo
plush saffron
you'll be using the wall anyway ey
open monolith
N....no?
potent anvil
Reprisal owns 
plush saffron
open monolith
Uh huh, and?
mossy peak
you don't use it in raid, you use it in m+
mossy peak
that doesn't suddenly make it bad
open monolith
???
plush saffron
haha you'll be using it in raid
open monolith
N....no?
plush saffron
Y...yes?
mossy peak
maybe on a fight or two, you largely will use the wall
any time you have another tank with you, more shield block uptime doesn't do a whole lot
you just move your downtime to, you know, your actual downtime
dapper coral
sorry I'm late to the party, but on the official notes is Reprisal nerfed? 4 seconds of SB instead of full duration?
open monolith
Yes
plush saffron
like what fights dpg?
open monolith
Like every fight with swaps
plush saffron
so like the early ones?
open monolith
Like literally every single fight with swaps where you aren't tanking
Which is a lot
plush saffron
all at the start of the raid where you can run no legendary if you want to
open monolith
Furthermore, most of the raid fights don't hit hard enough to need all that extra shield block uptime
plush saffron
with reprisal you won't need shield wall as much
dapper coral
against physical damage*
plush saffron
which is most of the damage you receive
dapper coral
blockable, physical damage*
civic torrent
Only issue I have where Reprisal is gonna shine is on a fight like Sludge, where you want to block every hit
plush saffron
the odd time you need a DR for other just call for an external
better than yoyoing from autos
open monolith
You can intervene anyone in melee range
plush saffron
you can charge, just let the other tank run forward of you then charge in
civic torrent
Then you turn the boss around right, and ur melee get bopped cos of his passive
plush saffron
wont break chains if done right
dapper coral
We're progging on M Slugde now, and my Monk co-tank always rolls b/c he greeds BoK
open monolith
When you run out for stomp, intervene your cotank
You won't move
You'll still get buff
unborn agate
Still looks like it's the play in M+ tho right?
civic torrent
juice
open monolith
Yes prog
unborn agate
Noice
dapper coral
I swear the tank chains are more lenient than everyone else's
civic torrent
All I'm gonna say is, jfc, im excited for it on Sire
really feel the lack of SB uptime on that fight
open monolith
Will for sure be solid on sire
oblique pike
idk if i would use reprisal if i didnt have a melee in my M+ group
open monolith
Why?
plush saffron
lol
open monolith
Intervene out charge back in
Or intervene someone standing right next to you before you charge in
dapper coral
For Reprisal, when pulling a new pack, it's gonna be Charge > Revenge > TC > whatever, right?
dapper coral
I'm only now picking up warrior but I've been tanking this whole expac on Paladin/Bear
Shield Slam, not block, right?
plush saffron
lol dont do that
dapper coral
dat pandemic
plush saffron
need to get aoe aggro quicker
oblique pike
sb doesnt work on pandemic iirc, it just has a higher cap
plush saffron
run show of force, revenge and then TC should have aoe aggro quick
dapper coral
SB pandemics
civic torrent
I assume it'll be Intervene a friendly, charge, SB + Revenge as you get in then tank as normal
you'll have ~10s of SB updtime as soon as you walk in
- like 60 rage at the start of a pack
as ur sb gets low, leap out and charge back in
plush saffron
do it on intervene/charge cd
oblique pike
SB does not use traditional pandemic rules
civic torrent
sb is just additional
oblique pike
duration gets added, but nothing like pandemic
civic torrent
it always just adds the timer
plush saffron
pop last stand at start as well if its a long fight and you're tanking the whole time
if running bolstering
but prob can run avatar with reprisal
civic torrent
I always run avatar
oblique pike
IIRC, it was a while ago, but i think last time they changed it, SB's max duration is capped at 3x cast duration, so 6x3=18 seconds?
plush saffron
i got it to 35s on PTR with reprisal
shut summit
yea bolster is only thing that lets you get past 18sec cap
dapper coral
I assume Resprisal should go on Legs, come reset?
plush saffron
depends if you have the SLG legs
yeah cant get past 18s with SB alone on PTR so that cap is still in
oblique pike
tested on live, got to 21 seconds SB with bolster + 2x SB casts
idk how uncapped it is, but it seems to no longer be the 3x base duration
plush saffron
bolster will take it over the cap
drifting forge
Sorry if it's been asked, is Kyrian still the go to in 9.0.5 or will necro have a chance with the changes?
civic torrent
I think someone said earlier only Bolster lets you go over cap
shut summit
that only happens with bolster, you cant get above 18sec otherwise
oblique pike
do you just mean it's impossible to even theoretically reach it because of SB cd?
or if when reprisal goes live, we wouldn't be able to go above 18 seconds with double charge + intervene + 2x sb and somehow bolster is an exception to the rule
plush saffron
you can get to 18s with SB casts and Bolster will take you to 33s
shut summit
your 2nd statement
plush saffron
just sb casts or the buff through reprisal will cap at 18s
shut summit
reprisal only gives 4secs of SB as well now iirc
astral crystal
who's taking the walk of shame to maldraxxus this sunday
plush saffron
nah, its overrated a bit
ocean yoke
i have already told my guild i will not go simp warrior
plush saffron
350 mastery to 2 ppl, they wont even notice
civic torrent
I play arms too, so staying as Venthyr
oblique pike
im nf cuz its the only tank that can reasonably be nf and i wanted at least 1 tank in each covenant
plush saffron
dont play bear?
oblique pike
i play venthy bear cuz im missing brain cells
oblique pike
i dont like the randomness of bear form convoke, but enjoy the dumbass shit i can do every 3 min as venthyr
zenith barn
going full on hype train gnna go necro and make reprisal
plush saffron
just do 5 pack pulls with URF and incarn
oblique pike
yuuuup
sick sentinel
How many seconds can you stack on shield block
plush saffron
18s
oblique pike
apparently 18 seconds outside of using bolstering
limpid dagger
Is there a consensus on HR's value with reprisal?
median tulip
reprisal only gives 4secs of SB as well now iirc
Correct: From the Patch Notes: "Reprisal has been redesigned – Charge and Intervene grant you Shield Block for 4 seconds, Revenge!, and generates 20 Rage."
median tulip
Is there a consensus on HR's value with reprisal?
The working theory is that Reprisal loves Anger Management
torn gust
hecc 4 seconds
feral gale
Bolster will still have a lot of value in keys with reprisal
plush saffron
not really with all the gaps between pulls
oblique pike
I think if you can safely and reliably use reprisal well, you'd be losing too much by going bolster
vestal rampart
alright so help a newb out here, do i save all my ash for reprisal or do I build the wall first still
plush saffron
go repirsal
feral gale
If you raid build wall imo
outer spoke
So how would be a big pull be like? For example 1 pack DoS pre intervene and charge with avatar, revenge , tc, ss, sb smashing dmg group kille? 😂
oblique pike
i'd wait for the patch to drop, cuz they might last second change it
plush saffron
reprisal is better than the wall for raiding as well
feral gale
Wut
plush saffron
and it will let you take AM which will lower SW CD anyway
open monolith
Build the wall for raiding for sure, reprisal for m+
sharp zealot
so uh
open monolith
Wall if you plan to do both equally
sharp zealot
if I stay Venthyr
astral crystal
if you're zip zoopin around in raid something wrong's going on
sharp zealot
does that hurt my ability to tank M+ for my group?
vestal rampart
thanks. i'm like 90% m+
astral crystal
or youre just doing normal/heroic
sharp zealot
With missing Necro banner + Fleshcraft
feral gale
Yeah big doubt, wall gives you like 5 SWs a fight
plush saffron
who cares
its about make incoming dmg be consistent
having holes in your SB doesnt do that
astral crystal
lol alright
median tulip
alright so help a newb out here, do i save all my ash for reprisal or do I build...
Do you Raid? If so, make The Wall first.
open monolith
Yeah you definitely take Wall in raid.
vestal rampart
yeah
astral crystal
you realize you have to charge/intervene for it right
feral gale
No? You need to soak busters and smooth big incomings lol
vestal rampart
alright i'll build wall first. Thanks guys. back to lurking and info-sponge mode
feral gale
With into the fray you should have super high Sb coverage already
median tulip
i'd wait for the patch to drop, cuz they might last second change it
I need the Ash from after rest to make Rank 4 anyway, so I'm definitely waiting.
plush saffron
you boys will see
open monolith
narrator: they wont
outer solstice
and it will let you take AM which will lower SW CD anyway
I do wall + AM + Stalwart in raid XD getting SW to about a minute or even below
feral gale
However, running reprisal could be a thing if you’re progging sludge
oblique pike
i currently run wall + AM in m+ but i'm only 1400 io on my warr and dont raid at all
outer solstice
Yeah big doubt, wall gives you like 5 SWs a fight
Well it's the one boss without downtime
feral gale
Intervene your cotank and basically block constantly
open monolith
Someone explain why the FUCK they made this change:
The formula for determining the level of the first Mythic Keystone players receive each week has been adjusted.
Previously, players would always receive a Keystone 1 level below the highest they'd completed so far in Season 1.
After this change, Keystone level will continue to decrease by 1 per week until players again complete a higher level Keystone.
For example, a player who completes a level 15 Keystone will receive a level 14 Keystone the following week. If they do not complete a 15 or higher Keystone that week, they will receive a level 13 Keystone the week after.
This shit benefits literally nobody.
feral gale
Much smoother
plush saffron
so people will do more keys per week
oblique pike
it benefits blizzard by makign you do more keys
open monolith
It doesn't though
oblique pike
LOOK AT ALL THESE ACTIVE PLAYERS
modern hearth
so is the play for m+ in 9.0.5 going to be, reprisal and necrolord??
open monolith
It just makes you do one higher key, not necessarily more
torpid moon
is 9.0.5 next tuesday?
open monolith
so is the play for m+ in 9.0.5 going to be, reprisal and necrolord??
I'm definitely staying kyrian
outer spoke
Covenants are all fine play what u want
feral gale
In theory you’d be doing 4 a week for 2 choices unless you’re giga lazy
outer solstice
so is the play for m+ in 9.0.5 going to be, reprisal and necrolord??
I doubt necro will be the best in m+
median tulip
so is the play for m+ in 9.0.5 going to be, reprisal and necrolord??
I doubt it, with M+ still heavily favouring ranged classes and a fairly tight radius on the banners effect IIRC
modern hearth
yea, the pot is also preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty yuge
median tulip
Intervene your cotank and basically block constantly
Do NOT intervene your co-tank on Sludge. That means you take the entire hit off Sludge, which is kinda counter to the entire point of having a co-tank there
feral gale
Druids convoke in melee range anyway though, it’s valid if you run unholy dk and boomie with simp banner
vestal rampart
necrolord mogs are so dope though
limber python
the druid can get out before using cds its a 15 sec buff after you cast it
feral gale
Do **NOT** intervene your co-tank on Sludge. That means you take the entire hit ...
Well that’s not a good example but I’m saying it’s possible if you manage it cleverly
waxen ice
Very much so
oblique pike
not gonna lie, im pretty sure i'm gonna end up just sticking with the wall for m+ in 9.0.5. pretty sure i'm gonna be too lazy to make FULL use of it
losing st stun and wall cd is probably not worth it since i'm not doing particularly high keys
median tulip
effectively, a charge with nuReprisal gives you the equivalent of 80 Rage (20 Base Rage, 20 raw from Reprisal, 20 saved from the free Revenge proc, and 20 saved from 2/3rds of a Shield Block charge).
Intervene is worth 60.
Effectively speaking, nuReprisal adds up to 300 Rage/min to your Rage budget.
shy mulch
Very much so
Pretty much have to take double time right
plush saffron
not at all
grand drum
no
waxen ice
It is still very manageable to keep a high up-time of SB and it will be fun
median tulip
Pretty much have to take double time right
Double Time is actually interesting; makes banking charges between pulls more efficient, but it doesn't affect the regen of charges over time. So... it depends
oblique pike
doesnt the new reprisal not give free revenge proc?
plush saffron
DT gives a 3s reduction to CD
median tulip
DT gives a 3s reduction to CD
Point
plush saffron
it gives the proc, doesnt give the 200% Damage increase anymore
frank spoke
yea like isnt it an easy choice for raiding, taking reprisal that is
median tulip
doesnt the new reprisal not give free revenge proc?
That's what "Revenge!" with the exclamation mark is
plush saffron
I think so Eva, other people dont
oblique pike
o, i thought they removed that, idk why
frank spoke
it seems to be such a good legendary even with the tiny nerf to it
median tulip
It's certainly going to be a strong M+ choice
torn gust
ye
median tulip
I'm still going to be running The Wall in Raid though
torn gust
ye
frank spoke
how come?
mossy peak
because you have a co-tank and don't need 100% uptime
shield wall makes you mitigate more when you need it
frank spoke
yea thats a really good point actually
median tulip
Because a) I'm not doing charge and intervene dancing on a raid boss, and b) I like my Shield Wall
oblique pike
also idk if i would say reprisal gives 20 rage saved from revenge, it just gives... damage of a revenge. in most cases i don't think i'd be casting revenge otherwise
plush saffron
a lot of fights are 100% uptime towards the back end of the raid
oblique pike
and it doesnt count towards AM for rage used
shy mulch
Double Time is actually interesting; makes banking charges between pulls more ef...
Double time does reduce by 3 seconds though
ocean yoke
yeah theres so many swaps that it is almost always fine as is
solemn magnet
You don't use am in m+
oblique pike
i do
torn gust
hecc yeah double time
median tulip
and it doesnt count towards AM for rage used
Those are both fair points; but for an M+ Legendary the damage is well worthwhile; it's a step towards fixing our M+ desirability
median tulip
You don't use am in m+
With nuReprisal I will be
outer spoke
With nuReprisal I will be
I think most will be
median tulip
Double time does reduce by 3 seconds though
Yeah I already acknowledge that I made a mistake there
oblique pike
hurry, someone else quote him and tell him double time reduces charge cd by 3 seconds
shy mulch
Didn’t see that sorry. I still think for M+ storm boot is pretty damn good.
frank spoke
you all ready to become boomer simps ?
lusty karma
thoughts on reprisal change?
shy mulch
Bolt
shy mulch
you all ready to become boomer simps ?
I’m here for it.
oblique pike
im staying NF. reprisal only if i have a melee dps in my M+ group
median tulip
I simply do not think Bolster will be necessary for Shield Block uptime when running nuReprisal, so Anger Management for better Avatar uptime (& to compensate for the loss of The Wall's Shield Wall CDR) will be a good play
oblique pike
im not risking turning my ass to mobs while intervening someone out in range just to get benefits of reprisal
ocean yoke
i already know ill be going through massive shield wall withdrawl the first time i try new reprisal
median tulip
Didn’t see that sorry. I still think for M+ storm boot is pretty damn good.
Tier 2 is certainly a competitive talent row for us
oblique pike
also probably not going to bother in most dungeons on tyr week
median tulip
My starting point for talents with nuReprisal will be x112x31 I think
Maybe x112x11
plush saffron
will have to see how UF stacks up now
oblique pike
does best served cold proc off of reprisal free revenge?
cuz technically you didnt' parry or dodge to get it
plush saffron
should do
solemn magnet
You'd get the 20% from bsc
median tulip
does best served cold proc off of reprisal free revenge?
nuReprisal is giving you the same buff that parries and dodges give you
oblique pike
so? bolster gives the same buff as sb but breaks duration limit rules
plush saffron
yes
oblique pike
it being the same buff doesn't mean shit imo
median tulip
It's certainly going to be one of the things to test next week
But I expect - as @plush saffron says - that it just works off the Revenge! buff
plush saffron
ill test now on ptr
plush saffron
yeah it works off reprisal revenge