protection

[sweet summit]

but the next gcd can be revenge

[uneven mason]

SEE ERGA

THE MATH

[weak spindle]

Feelswarriorman

[uneven mason]

You just don't have enough time

[brave jetty]

Uhhh if someone is declining that duo for a 14 they're insane

You wouldn't want to group with someone that has that judgment anyways

You've been spared

[weak spindle]

Had it plenty last few days

People see warrior and think

💩

[sweet summit]

#protection message

[brave jetty]

Honestly any kind of buff was going to help, more for the player perception than anything

[uneven mason]

I'm not using UF

[brave jetty]

But I'm fairly happy with a 10% skill dmg buff + extra for TC

[uneven mason]

its a trap

[sweet summit]

im not yet either

[weak spindle]

Is that ptr?

[brave jetty]

It's not enough but that's a decent-sized buff

[uneven mason]

that just shows he pressed it alot, who knows the opportunity cost

[sweet summit]

yes

[weak spindle]

I mean more damage is more damage.

Better than none.

Gotta remembered that everything was buffed 10 not just TC

[sweet summit]

but UF+AM is fun

[weak spindle]

Also having an higher AP scaling will make it scale more later?

[sweet summit]

ye but its all relative

[uneven mason]

But if I'm using GCDs on TC how will I Press revenge.

Revenge is every GCD!

[sweet summit]

it will do relatively the same damage now and later unless they buff it again

[uneven mason]

(but for SS)

[weak spindle]

Tank a dungeon and only press revenge.

Nothing else.

[mellow patio]

Why does everyone hate on TC lmao I love it

[uneven mason]

Well I need to generate rage

[uneven mason]

Because its pathetic compared

[weak spindle]

I miss BFA first patch clap

[uneven mason]

to what it was in BFA

[brave jetty]

What does the relative damage matter?

[mellow patio]

Well yeah that’s obv

[weak spindle]

What a fucking disaster of damage. Kill before you die

Then it got like 4 nerfs across bfa

[uneven mason]

It does less damage than an auto attack

Core reason - it does no fucking damage

it got buffed by 20%

it still does no fucking damage

[mellow patio]

I understand that lmao

[uneven mason]

but 20% less no damage

[weak spindle]

Still. More threat more damage

[mellow patio]

But you boys rooting against TC being good is what I’m questioning lmao

[brave jetty]

I do wish TC felt better

[uneven mason]

meanwhile in 2018 wearing blues

[warped mulch]

Thunderclap only good because it generates rage to press SB with. Have to hit someone with it like 40 times to kill them

[weak spindle]

Clap them to death before they can kill you

First patch bfa warrior survial was so fucking bad.

[mellow patio]

Wasn’t that bad

[weak spindle]

But their damage was so fucking stupid busted

[uneven mason]

It was amazing, unless you were talking rocks or bullets

[mellow patio]

Certain places it was terrible tho

[weak spindle]

Compared to how it is now

[brave jetty]

If TC/Revenge weaving for more dmg was somehow baseline that'd be nifty

[mellow patio]

This tbh

[uneven mason]

having physical attacks that bypassed armor was stupid

[weak spindle]

But most dungeons felt hella sketchy

[uneven mason]

Its because of a "Bug" that didn't allow our armor/block to work vs throw stone and shoot

[weak spindle]

Dont feel you get so much spikes if you play properly

But back then fuck me

[uneven mason]

but for raiding we were the tank

except Zul

because fuck that boss

[brave jetty]

A Crackling Thunder Buff would be great. I wouldn't mind more % slow or for more damage to live in that talent.

[weak spindle]

Nightmares of the bleed mob in that tomb thing

[uneven mason]

Zul

[weak spindle]

Kings rest?

[uneven mason]

Z U L

that was ZUL

[weak spindle]

The leaping bleed fuckers

[uneven mason]

Zul was worse in the raid

[weak spindle]

One bleed ticking like half hp on first week

Never tanked raid so i never got to feel zul pain thankfully

[uneven mason]

Yeah mythic Uldir we were beefy

[weak spindle]

But his damage was dumb in later high fort holy moly

[uneven mason]

but you had to plan your CD use

[signal plover]

Zul was only hard in raid cuz flipper handed healers wouldn't follow the warr tank out to heal em

[uneven mason]

that was the thing most people missed.

[brave jetty]

Also on Reprisal: it actually makes me look forward to double legendaries. That + Thundergod's is going to be NUTS in dungeons.

[weak spindle]

Imagine not taking 8 rogues

To cheese eviserates and instant 5 combo on aoe

[signal plover]

We stacked rogues

[ornate sky]

reprisal + seismic seems fun as fuck too, massive revenge

[weak spindle]

Sub got nerfed and it never came back

[uneven mason]

Or your Retadin that was assinged to BoP yo uwas too busy streaming pr0n

[signal plover]

Similar issue yeh

[uneven mason]

4 stacks "bop now" .... have to press SW and pump IP...5 more seconds..."BOP NOW"
Oh I thought you had someone else to do it (literally only paladin in raid)

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[brave jetty]

Yeah Seismic would be fun, still feels like it'll be a bit weak and it has 0 defensive utility besides killing mobs faster

[uneven mason]

That was our defensive ability in 8.0

It feels like it should be 100% not 75%

and triggers IP

[brave jetty]

triggering IP would be too much lol

maybe a big multiplier of dmg added to existing IP? like our conduit

[astral crystal]

If it procced IP it’d make IP itself almost useless to press

I’m down with that

[uneven mason]

sure

[astral crystal]

Kek

[sick sentinel]

is signet a decent leggo if I run ravager? dont have enough ash to build my prot one yet

[uneven mason]

doesn't work

Prot ravager is a diff spell ID

than arms

[sick sentinel]

oh what thats lame

[uneven mason]

so it won't trigger signet (only avatar)

[sick sentinel]

well i dont want to bladestorm as prot so i guess thats a no go

[uneven mason]

you can

just not with rav

[weak spindle]

You can still block and parry in bs

[uneven mason]

yeah bs doesnt hurt us

[sick sentinel]

oh thats good to know

[uneven mason]

I frequently forget to swap my legos

and endup bladestorming in a +15

[brave jetty]

planned

[uneven mason]

just makes some packs more iffy

without the frequent SW

[sick sentinel]

can i still press defensives in BS? like shield block and stuff

[uneven mason]

yes

[timber lagoon]

Yup

[uneven mason]

Demo shout, Sheldblock

[sick sentinel]

oh right on then

[uneven mason]

IP

can all be used.

[azure vessel]

could uhh, someone explain the prot aura buffs? the wowhead post dont make no sense

[uneven mason]

10% damage buff

done

[timber lagoon]

Our damage is going up

[ornate sky]

stonks in $prot are going to the moon

[azure vessel]

yeah but it shoes like rampage and stuff as effected abilities

[uneven mason]

Aura is the balancing tool they use (its a hidden buff applied when you swap specs)

[azure vessel]

makes it seem like it buffs all warriors by 10% lol

[uneven mason]

right its a blanket buff

they're too lazy to remove the non prot abilities from it

[azure vessel]

ah ok

thats what i thought its just confusing

[brave jetty]

10% to the skills

[azure vessel]

thanksd dawg

[brave jetty]

not necessarily 10% to damage

since it excludes autos and procs from items/enchants

[azure vessel]

right right

[brave jetty]

but close to it

[tepid raptor]

Umm guys, I'm tanking Mythic raids today as OS. Only got dps trinkets, I have legion trink, quantom 210, arcane 220, anima field 210

[ornate sky]

only things you miss are autos and dmg procs

[uneven mason]

They literally pulled up "Protection Warrior" and added +10, wowhead's dataminer just shows you all the spell IDs included in the aura "Protection warrior"

[weak spindle]

Legion

Anima

[tepid raptor]

oki

[ornate sky]

normal stat procs are buffed by this

[uneven mason]

AFE is big D for prot

as is legion

[tepid raptor]

Okay cool!

im 9% versa though, worth it swapping to lower ilvl for more versa?

[uneven mason]

no

[timber lagoon]

No

[uneven mason]

never sacrifice ilvl

[timber lagoon]

Keep that ilvl

[tepid raptor]

Oki, 22% haste

[timber lagoon]

And just press ur buttons

[tepid raptor]

Gem and enchant to versa?

[uneven mason]

vers stacking is a 8.3 meme that should be taken out to the curb and kicked in the teeth repeatedly until only tomato paste remains

[timber lagoon]

Not instead of haste

[tepid raptor]

aight

[uneven mason]

don't focus on %

just stack ilvl

[tepid raptor]

remove whirlwind out of my rotation? XD

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[strong forum]

yes

[timber lagoon]

Nah leave that shit

[strong forum]

WW is dead

[tepid raptor]

They kinda threw me in there, the tank left last minute

aight

tyvm<3

[uneven mason]

no WW for u

[timber lagoon]

Only if you have signet

[tepid raptor]

Ill put condemn there instead 😄

I have signet

[timber lagoon]

There you go

[uneven mason]

no

wtf'

[timber lagoon]

Start condemning

[uneven mason]

don't confuse the boy

[timber lagoon]

Do you have a prot leggo?

[tepid raptor]

so, no condemn? XD

Nope bro

[uneven mason]

COndemn is fine

[timber lagoon]

Condemn is good ST instead of revenge

[uneven mason]

no WW

[timber lagoon]

Yeah don't ww, forget it exists

What are your leggo options?

[uneven mason]

Be careful about over spending on condemn

[tepid raptor]

yeah only as filler?

[uneven mason]

since you'll want to have rage for SB

and occasionally IP

[tepid raptor]

whats that

sb

ip

[uneven mason]

shield block

[tepid raptor]

ah shieldblock

[uneven mason]

oh god

[timber lagoon]

Lol

[uneven mason]

and this is where our public perception comes from

[timber lagoon]

Ip is ignore pain

[tepid raptor]

ah IP

[delicate thorn]

Internet Protocol

[uneven mason]

😄 Kidding, I'd hit up the guide on IV

just go over some basics

[north pecan]

Everyone excited about the 10% dps buff?

[uneven mason]

About as excited when I findout I'm getting my annual cost of living increase (which is less than my cost of living increases)

Its about on par when they gave fury a 3% buff

"Look we did something LOVE US FOR IT"

[north pecan]

:(, my work is baseline 3% a year, 6% the higher performing eng

[uneven mason]

oh, you're lucky

mine isn't even that.

used to be 5%

before 2008

[bitter kiln]

sorry realy stupid question. is there any preferable race to be for prot or can i roll whatever?

[uneven mason]

whatever

just not rat people

or Alliance

[bitter kiln]

haha ok that was not on my list anyway 😛

[north pecan]

One day kultiran will be the god race when they can do cross faction lfd

[sweet summit]

dorf

[uneven mason]

Dwarf

If there was Horde dwarves with the same racial

I'd play em

being able to remove shit and a 10% DR

crazygood

[delicate thorn]

🦊

[bitter kiln]

ok thx guys, mag´har it is then

[uneven mason]

No rat people

[amber herald]

dranei

[uneven mason]

No hooved smurfs

[north pecan]

BTW working on my prot, how much dps can they pull around 220ish on like a 18 key. Normally do 4.2-4.6 on brew and 3.6-3.9k on bear

[uneven mason]

gawd

[uneven mason]

2.5

[north pecan]

ew

[uneven mason]

3 if you REALLY push hard

REALLLY hard

Like "OH god I spent all week eating rice and bread" pushing hard

kidding, IDK if you pump damage, probably 4k isn't out of the question

but we gotta use defensives sometimes

[arctic wasp]

depends a lot on the dungeon too, some dungeoins you can go easily to 3.5 some others not past 2.5 😛

[north pecan]

Ya wasnt expecting brew numbers, and bear gets to cheat with convoke and aoe god pulling every 3 min

[uneven mason]

9.0.5 will give us more pumps

can run Seismic with BSC

and dish out impressive damage

[sudden smelt]

hey guys noob question here, could you still dodge/parry/block while channeling fleshcraft?

[amber herald]

yep

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

[light thicket]

Best served cold could be a thing?

What a time to be alive

[humble mason]

Is it just me or do we just kinda evaporate in +15s right now? I feel like one of the only dungeons I can properly tank is ToP

[strong forum]

na

15s are chill

[arctic wasp]

yeah 15s are chill, the only time you get evaporated is if SB rans off haha

[uneven mason]

Or your DPS are flippermonkeys and can't interrupt

[arctic wasp]

also some pulls in DOS if no one interrupts 😛

yeah that too

[north pecan]

Ya why I was playing my prot again, my brew was evaporating in 20s

[arctic wasp]

flippermonkeys no bueno

[uneven mason]

The pack before Hakkar and the pack before Ardenweald

[arctic wasp]

true

[uneven mason]

THose hurt even with interrupts

just so many casts

[humble mason]

Anything casting shadowcore is my archnemesis, I have learned that.

[uneven mason]

and some are instant

[arctic wasp]

yeah you pretty much try to reflect on CD hahaha

[uneven mason]

I literally pop SW/SR/LS truck revenge, drop ravager, stun and leap out of lOS

on those pulls

like I get aggro and just get away

[arctic wasp]

not a bad idea

[north pecan]

Ya on those you just save shield wall for it, spell reflect, run when wall is down

[uneven mason]

run before wall is down

like 2s on wall

you GTFO

because if wall drops mid leap

[north pecan]

Well run I mean leap away

[uneven mason]

they'll instant cast you to death mid air

[north pecan]

lol

[humble mason]

That is my tactic in most situations. Somehow there are tons of people doing +13s that dont know that kiting is a thing though

[uneven mason]

but that wsa from a missed interrupt

[light thicket]

And that's when your boomkin friend typhoons adds to where you leaped

Good times

[uneven mason]

I mean those 2 pulls are the only ones in +13 and above that I have to kite

but I don't go higher than 15

Because when I mention that +17 SoA key

people are like "CAN WE JUST DROP IT TO 14 FOR VAULT?"

[arctic wasp]

well if dps is low and sometimes you need couple of seconds out to recover SB, but that wont normally happen unless is a shitty group

lol

[north pecan]

Only things you need to kite in 17 soa are the cats, and maybe the pack b4 2nd boss if you dont jav it

[uneven mason]

Yeah last time I was in DOS our fire mage hit his combustion on the pack before those both times

and I'm like BRO

literally only time your burst matters is the casters!

[uneven mason]

400IQ on cats

get a BoP

run around

no stuns

no bleed

[north pecan]

or just have a hunter flare the ones on the right

[uneven mason]

pfft

[celest trellis]

Hi all - I'm holy priest raid lead looking to help our Prot Warrior tank on his survivability on H Sire during mirror transitions. Can you all offer any tips or point me in the right direction for resources?

[uneven mason]

hunters

[uneven mason]

log?

I can tell from experience, Sire is a douchebag and will "double tap" his inevitable at times, hitting for like 40k shadow

[celest trellis]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qm4pG6Jd2ywNPvFb/

[north pecan]

So Im guessing everyone is Niya on NF, or are there some brave souls doing Kor with first strikes?

[outer solstice]

only as DPS tbh

[north pecan]

ya most bears are rocking that first strikes and doing stupid dps with convoke

[outer solstice]

well the real reason I wouldn't consider him is that I have my DPS conduits in korayn

I play fury in M+ and prot in raid

[north pecan]

I figured kor might be nice with the whole our whole dps is the first 10 with shout and ravager/cov ability

[outer solstice]

burrz is too burrrzzzs

*shrug

[light thicket]

I got so angry when i saw that

[outer solstice]

yeah jsut don't inevitable whenever possible

let him walk shrug

hold his hand

make him happy

[celest trellis]

Is there anything to be done by healers or the warrior to mitigate this? (other than holding hands and singing songs)

[light thicket]

Watch before the mirror transitions

[unique patio]

Any tips for heroic sire? Getting slapped hard sometimes by Sire in P2 and P3

[light thicket]

Make sure ylhe keeps him horizontal next to the mirror

So he never has to turn hes back to go through it

It gets a lot better when you realize those things

Sounds like noobish stuff butt

Make sure he always faces him when actively tanking

[unique patio]

I was trying that and it fixed the transition I guess the massacre dance is where I am messing up.

[light thicket]

Ikarikaze will probably give you some better tips

[unique patio]

Thanks for that

[rugged finch]

Hi friends, I'm venthyr and I would like to know which covenant is best for tank now and for 9.0.5

[jagged pier]

any you want really

[uneven wagon]

any of you guys play prot in pvp?

[uneven mason]

Digging through the logs at least at surface level, he still has sire slapping him in the ass when he has wracking pain, that's on the other tank (who dies faster than your warrior fwiw)
As for the mirrior transitions he could bank some rage for IP, hit SR and double tap IP before going through. SR is a strong mitigation vs inevitable.

[jagged pier]

play arms u will have a better time

[uneven mason]

The rest is timing

[uneven wagon]

probably yeah

[uneven mason]

Sire P2 is a dance

and is very easy to control

but its fast paced

[uneven wagon]

guess ill go wack a target dummy to learn arms rotation

[uneven mason]

so eveyrone has to be watching their feet

[light thicket]

O since i have you guys here

Anyone have any good vids/guides for P3?

Im pretty sure my positioning is shit

[uneven mason]

Bank rage for when the taunt swap happens because your healers are going to literally forget you still have to be healed due to 8k ticks on scorn

so you gotta pump IP

Like Zul, but I can't just stand there and look cute while the dot eats my face off.

[light thicket]

Yeah cant seem to keep my hp up in that phase

[uneven mason]

Because even at 6 stacks its doing insane damage.

[light thicket]

And hand fucks my shit up

[uneven mason]

The only way I got him down is when the healers all did a huddle and figured out the timing on their CDs

literally 2 pulls later he folded once we implimented assigned healer CDs and tank healing

But as for positioning

you need to have him almost in the outside circle

and face him inward

[light thicket]

I have 2 resto druids and a pally in my comp

[outer solstice]

top them before planned inevitables, liek mirrors or long pulls

[uneven mason]

when he's gonna do the 3rd slash

[light thicket]

Yeah but with so many soaks

I been thinjing of moving him a bit more

So melee dont lose so much dps

But im scared of magically wiping the group

[uneven mason]

This, like outside of movement and dodging Wracking Pain the tanks should be leghumping eachother

so sire never teleports

[outer solstice]

oh well I always have my finger on my Healthstone for that,...

but hope to keep it for P3

[compact palm]

Can u Sr teleport

[uneven mason]

if he does teleport he will always

1. Be in melee range
2. Face the dead center of the room
3. be as far from the center as possible while meeting condition #1

[uneven mason]

You can reduce it by 20% with SR, but we no longer deflect/reflect it

[celest trellis]

I don't think this is happening at all. I feel like there's a good 8-10 yards between them. Easy fix to implement - thanks!

[compact palm]

Rip

[light thicket]

Healthstone + kyrian pot + healing pot

I chug them down like water in P3

[uneven mason]

Big tip for them, is when they're going to go through the mirror, don't run through with your butt toward the sword/sire

sidestep then backpedal (I know lol) then turn to face the mirror on the other side

sire will inevitable facing the center

if your back is to him

he'll crack you good

[light thicket]

This is specially important

[celest trellis]

Strangely, I think this is causing the most headaches for them.

[uneven mason]

yeah it feels wrong

because it feels rushed when you have to dodge HoD

but there is time

[light thicket]

When you go thru mirros yoy alwats end up looking at center

[uneven mason]

P2 FEELS like rushed chaos

[light thicket]

With sire salpping your but

[uneven mason]

but if you can get the "steps" to click ( and not pop adds during hand/massacre) it goes down easy

[light thicket]

So you gotta turn around quick

[uneven mason]

Also I'd suggest using a roar or warlock gate on the 3rd HoD and moving to the center

it gives melee additional uptime on him for P3 start

P3 though, is slower, but soooo much damage

[outer solstice]

P2 is a nice dance

no rush at all

no matter if you do 1 2 or 3 packs of adds

oh well, I have like 150 kills on sire hc xD xD

[celest trellis]

Yep - got that going already.

[rugged finch]

so playing venthyr is ok?

[outer solstice]

yep

[rugged finch]

I am glad to hear that

[uneven mason]

Yeah, my guild found that when we tried to "rush" and push the phase before adds is when we'd lose people and folks would get caught in mechanics. ALthough this week we're high enough DPS That we can reliably push him to P3 without the 3rd set, so we're going with that.

[peak stirrup]

do any prot warriors here think that the damage buffs will be super impactful for mythic+?

[celest trellis]

Agreed - we've decided to just slow it down, accept that we're going to get the 3rd set and let dps focus on not failing mechanics. We started getting to P3 more consistently with that. Still rough with mirror transitions though.

[lavish oracle]

I mean, I think it more clearly secures our place near the top of the meta after the reprisal buff

[uneven mason]

Its a slog too, each pull to get to 40% is 7minutes at that point if you're doing 3rd adds.

[uneven mason]

We won't be in the meta still

We'll be fine for doing keys that matter though

more than fine

[lavish oracle]

eh, I think we'll be like top 3

hard to say if we'll be better than bear

[uneven mason]

mmm, since nothing was done to deter the kiting meta, and guardian druids and paladins are still a thing

We wont be better than bear

Bear is too honest and trustworthy

[lavish oracle]

Nah, I don't think paladins are a thing even now, lol

[deep steppe]

[lavish oracle]

like we're clearly ahead of paladins after the buffs

[uneven mason]

But you might be right

with the banner

[peak stirrup]

I was prot at the beginning of the xpac but keeping aggro in dungeons was so hard I just gave up

[uneven mason]

and reprisal

with the 10%

we may become the meta

since 400mastery is more impactful than 5%

[lavish oracle]

Reprisal + ~9% overall damage buff is absurd

[chilly brook]

I've been prot until recently

I've never had aggro be an issue

[uneven mason]

Gotta pump

[solemn magnet]

Yeah same~

[wanton condor]

aggro is def an issue if you don't run ravager I feel?

ravager totally fixes it

[uneven mason]

[chilly brook]

And even as Venthyr now it's not an issue

[jagged pier]

[peak stirrup]

but how do you do it if you only have 2 aoe abilities

[wanton condor]

I like to save my spear

[jagged pier]

or revenge

[uneven mason]

you can spam revenge

[chilly brook]

Because revenge pumps

📈

[lavish oracle]

I don't usually have aggro issues unless someone is absolutely going nuts on the pull

but also I run roar

[uneven mason]

bolster + pump revenge

[jagged pier]

ppl forget that LS is now a dps cd

[chilly brook]

The one or two times I have an issue i just challenging shout and its gucci

[jagged pier]

with bolster and the conduit

[uneven mason]

yeah generally its if a firemage decides his combustion has been off CD for too long and decides to roll before I'm done with charge

[lavish oracle]

meta eye beam before I can get a global in, haha

[uneven mason]

I Just let HDH die

[compact palm]

Is it true prot is getting a aura buff

[uneven mason]

"you're here to buff the boomkin welp"

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, 10% @compact palm

[compact palm]

Omg

[chilly brook]

What does #news tell you

[uneven mason]

Thunderclap is getting 20%!

[lavish oracle]

20%? thought it was like 10

[uneven mason]

Griff you check out how lazy they were

[compact palm]

Thunder clap could've used like 50

[lavish oracle]

.42 -> .462 AP scaling

[jagged pier]

its liek 10% plus 4% AP scaling

[uneven mason]

they literally didn't bother removing the fury/arms stuff

they just grabbed the spell ID for every warrior spell and added it to the effect line

[compact palm]

Bladestorm procsbwoth kings should do more DMG now

Kek

[chilly brook]

Wdym

[uneven mason]

literally ctrl + A, Ctrl + C, Ctrl + V

[lusty torrent]

IM JUST HERE TO CELEBRATE THE BUFFS

[chilly brook]

Well I mean that is what an aura buff is

[uneven mason]

yeah, but normnally they at least edit the fury/arms stuff out of prot

[compact palm]

Big boys

[lusty torrent]

FINALLY WE GET THE LOVE

[lavish oracle]

Does master assassin apply to all the orb hits in wake? or just the first one?

[proper pecan]

Is inerva reflecable?

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason so basically instead of doing 3.9k overall at the end of the dungeon I'll be doing 4.3k

[uneven mason]

right

Unless you go back to UF

and seismic

and BSC

[chilly brook]

There are several things on inerva that are reflectable

[uneven mason]

Mwahi says it pumps

[chilly brook]

[uneven mason]

big one is the cast from the add iirc

[strong forum]

we're gaming boys

[deep steppe]

👀

[lavish oracle]

is UF gonna be worth it somehow after the clap buff?

[signal plover]

Fukka youuuu

[deep steppe]

[chilly brook]

I want to go back to UF but also dont

Because everything else that was good about it is dead

[uneven mason]

I want to have Deafening Crsh back

[deep steppe]

dont think so

[ionic fern]

From a damage PoV it might actually become worth it.

[chilly brook]

What Mwahi says, we do

[ionic fern]

Ok, everyone play Warmachine.

[uneven mason]

Mwahi will just make you use UF to troll Paw

[deep steppe]

[signal plover]

Plzno

[lavish oracle]

I played war machine on explosive week 😄

[stark sage]

[signal plover]

You'll have to pry ravager from my cold dead hands

[ionic fern]

😂

[chilly brook]

Go a step further and @everyone with that @ionic fern

[uneven mason]

right we finally got it back after like 3 expansions

[chilly brook]

You won't

[ionic fern]

I have not done the initial sims yet because i actually got into a group that is taking me into 17+ keys so i'm doing them right now.

😂

[signal plover]

Push week

[deep steppe]

Mwahi is hero ❤️

[signal plover]

Beeg pusher

[ionic fern]

But i think UF/AM and Ravager/AM are going to be close in DPS.

Don't quote me on that tho plz.

Thanks.

[uneven mason]

" "

[deep steppe]

and if we go bolster ravager is still the play?

[ionic fern]

No.

[uneven mason]

Bolster won't be the play

[jagged pier]

AM baby

[ionic fern]

AM will be the play.

[uneven mason]

why more block when 100% block

[deep steppe]

[chilly brook]

No need for bolster when reprisal exists

[ionic fern]

Reprisal takes care of Shield block uptime.

[signal plover]

*with reprisal

[mellow gorge]

wait why AM ?

and not bolster?

what happened

[chilly brook]

Because reprisal

[ionic fern]

Reprisal takes care of block uptime.

[jagged pier]

LS will now only be a DPS CD

[mellow gorge]

ah

[signal plover]

So we slam

[deep steppe]

you know as soon as i asked, I was like...."hold on"

well if UF is close to Rav I'll prolly go UF, 1 less button

[proper pecan]

I know we are warriors and all but I've even attached a picture

[lofty widget]

yo boys, was wondering if it is worth to socket at 226 vers mast bracers, or if i should rather wait for one with better stats?

[astral crystal]

socket

[uneven mason]

But so many more wasted GCDs

[deep steppe]

just more revenges

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/space-jam-bill-murray-michael-jordan-defense-gif-17915602

Come on and slam

[uneven mason]

How are you going to revenge when you're pressing TC?

[ionic fern]

Big brain is BSC tho.

[deep steppe]

If i'm pressing TC i wont have GCDs then

[chilly brook]

Come on and slam

[signal plover]

@proper pecan change of heart is the component of the M inerva tank mechanic (after 66% container energy) that makes you do fall off dmg to the raid. It's never worth reflecting imo

[chilly brook]

And welcome to the jam

[deep steppe]

[chilly brook]

[uneven mason]

Don't forget, reprisal gives many free revenges and big rage on intervene/charge

[deep steppe]

[uneven mason]

you won't need TC for rage

because many revenge!

[deep steppe]

^^^

[mellow gorge]

you now intervene the healer for damage

[deep steppe]

my man

[mellow gorge]

sounds interesting

[deep steppe]

5head plays

[outer spoke]

When 9.0.5 hits? Like 16.03?

[uneven mason]

you should be fine to socket those? doubt you'll get better

[signal plover]

Prolly yeh

[woeful cypress]

boe ones are better prob

[deep steppe]

will BSC > BV?

[outer spoke]

Need 2,1k more soul ash for r4 reprisal 😂

[mellow gorge]

though it's a dumb question, wouldn't heavy repercussions work well with reprisal?

[uneven mason]

with Seismic

[deep steppe]

👀

[shut summit]

wont need either of block talents with reprisal

[uneven mason]

maybe with reprisal

[ionic fern]

Sims soon™️

[mellow gorge]

i mean it extends the block, that's the only reason why

[deep steppe]

Mwahi is MVP

[uneven mason]

when 100% block up time why need more block uptime?

[mellow gorge]

gotta make sure you won't get a gap

[uneven mason]

uh

[signal plover]

30g to rig sims to show UF still dead

[mellow gorge]

even with 100% uptime

[outer spoke]

110% yikes

[mellow gorge]

you have to make sure

[outer spoke]

😂

[mellow gorge]

no gap

[ebon hound]

Council is deead

[uneven mason]

rather more

[mellow gorge]

nah

[uneven mason]

more avatar means dead mobs

[mellow gorge]

that's boring

[uneven mason]

dead mobs mean no gap

[outer spoke]

Yes and more Avatar more fun

[chilly brook]

16k condemns here I come

[mellow gorge]

my job ain't dps, my job is to take a beating

[chilly brook]

Your job is dps

[uneven mason]

your job is DPS

[signal plover]

kleia gap

[chilly brook]

You do both

They're not mutually exclusive

[mellow gorge]

speaking of dps

is dragon roar ever worth taking?

[uneven mason]

No

it got fun detected for fury

[silver trout]

more condemns!

[signal plover]

Not after what they did to my boi

[uneven mason]

and by extension prot.

[chilly brook]

For an incredibly minor damage increase in single target

Sim yo self tho

[mellow gorge]

they should've put dragon roar on 4th talent row

[uneven mason]

margin of error level increase.

[arctic wasp]

is there a way to know how much % of barrier am i getting with Brutal Vitality conduit ?¿?

[deep steppe]

more shield block means more shield slam dam

[uneven mason]

Yes, 0 don't use it

[deep steppe]

my slow brain is putting it together

[mellow gorge]

😮

punish would work with reprisal

50% slam dmg

[uneven mason]

wat

[flint roost]

Is reprisal intervene only or charge as well?

[mellow gorge]

punish adds 20% slam dmg

[signal plover]

Both

[uneven mason]

charge and intervene

[uneven mason]

Ok

[light thicket]

Reprisal looks really fun

[mellow gorge]

and shield block is 30%

[arctic wasp]

i feel Unnerving focus gives me too little unless i pick Bolster, any other good thing to put there ??

[uneven mason]

ok (multiplicative but go on)

[mellow gorge]

won't they be 50% together?

[chilly brook]

Punish is meh

[deep steppe]

but devastator give free slam

[uneven mason]

Devastator gives you SS resets

punish does not

[mellow gorge]

hmm

that is true

[uneven mason]

you do more SS damage with devastator

[deep steppe]

yo i love it when my toaster brain puts things together

[uneven mason]

Let me introduce you to a phrase
"Opportunity Cost"

[sturdy sable]

That's like the reason we run devastator

[arctic wasp]

devastator is also free us a GCD

[uneven mason]

we ru ndevastator because devastate is a shitty filler ability

that is just there to fish for SS

and uses up GCDs

[sturdy sable]

Yeah so we pick it to do it for us

[pure sun]

Ayo for anyone proggin mythic sludge, you guys runnin improved inspire? Got rid of it since it seems little to no time where I can hit majority of the raid outside of pillar soaks

[sturdy sable]

Which again is what you where saying

[uneven mason]

that could be used on revenge, or TC or execute that ALSO reset SS

[mellow gorge]

hmmm

[sturdy sable]

Which is what I was agreeing to

Which is why we pick it in the first place

[outer solstice]

yeah not getting a 3rd set of adds is preferable, but you can actually do it with onyl 1 set of adds

[uneven mason]

When my DPS starts putting their backs into it

[outer solstice]

^^

[signal plover]

I'm burning it on the stomp just before 2nd pillar hit as we run out

Seems to hit most of the raid

[pure sun]

I feel like just runnin the ignore pain increase might be more worth

[signal plover]

Maybe missing the couple folks doin the special snowflake soak

[ionic fern]

Every week is a push week if you are pushing 15's

[pure sun]

get about 70k~ of shield

[signal plover]

Tbh id never run that over inspiring in raid

Especially on sludge

Where the whole raid is getting smacked constantly

[outer solstice]

inspiring stronk

[signal plover]

It buffers pillar hits so well even if you only blanket like 80% of the raid

And the increased duration from the conduit covers the seismic shift pop (saving ppl from overlap oopsies) as well as the pillar hit

[fickle timber]

Is avoidance a valuable stat? I’m up to 9% with lucky rolls

I feel like that’s a high number

[deep steppe]

I mean if you can get it sure

but you shouldn't take a weaker item with avoidance over the stronger item

ilvl is king

[fickle timber]

Yeah I have 9% avoidance and 9% speed

It’s also on my highest ilvl for that slot

[deep steppe]

then yeah thats nice

[signal plover]

I kno that feel kek

[fickle timber]

I got a 210 hem from mots with socket and avoidance

[signal plover]

I'm just a 1-4 weekly keys fella

[fickle timber]

I had the same helm 207 base

So it was lucky

[pure sun]

btw anyone know if reflect has any value on sludge? I see the chart says the shit with big fist but is it worth baiting it

[outer solstice]

it's for block

and no

[uneven mason]

its all physical on him

[outer solstice]

you don't try to take fists + hits

[uneven mason]

I Mean, you can...try..

[outer solstice]

bad idea though

[uneven mason]

I smoothbrain got into melee 1s before my co tank did

20 seconds later they battle ressed me

wasn't expecting an enraged double fisting

Going to try again next week though, got my shield from SLG

[pure sun]

Have u tried shield block + intervene tho? big protection cock size move

[signal plover]

On mythic you'll get fucking trucked

[uneven mason]

going to run reprisal in raid just so I can

[rich folio]

Planning on switching covenants from Venthyr to Nightfae or Kyrian. Which is better for m+?

[uneven mason]

flip a coin

[pure sun]

I havent gotten punished for it yet lol, helps save our DH

[uneven mason]

oof DH co tank

[signal plover]

#shrug ours seems fine

Rubber bands a bit but mostly ok

[outer solstice]

it's about you yourself dying

[uneven mason]

I know that answer seems sarcastic, but really, all the covenants will be fine come patch, K N and V are good now.

[pure sun]

only time I die is when our healers think im never gonna die and only heal our dh lol, doesnt seem like a big issue

[uneven mason]

TFW they stop healing you and then the SB gap appears

[pure sun]

😦

[uneven mason]

"DON'T STOP NOW, WE'RE IN GAP COUNTRY!"

[pure sun]

lmao

[uneven mason]

"A wild Block Gap crits for 40,000"

[mellow gorge]

Lads, i have a question in mists

as prot, is it worth taking the primary stat mushroom or the stamina mushroom?

[chilly brook]

Primary stat always

[uneven mason]

primary

[shut summit]

stat

[uneven mason]

str always

Str forever

[mellow gorge]

alright

[chilly brook]

Stam buffs are omegalul

[mellow patio]

Str is 🚪

[chilly brook]

Put simply primary stat is big, it's more damage and more mitigation

Whereas stam is just more HP which for the most part doesnt actually help us

[outer solstice]

I get up to over 120k HP xD

[arctic wasp]

i dont think there is 5 primary stats though, is it ?

[outer solstice]

and it's soooo worthless

[arctic wasp]

i never picked it up because one time a dps blame me for picking it instead of him xD

[outer solstice]

there are 5 green ones

[arctic wasp]

oh shit

i've been doing it wrong all this time then xD

[chilly brook]

Tell your dps to turn on his monitor

👀

[compact palm]

120k HP means ur healer gunna be sad tryinngg to top u

[outer solstice]

only temporary

you get healed for the difference when you increase your HP ppol temporary

so it actualyl is helpful

[arctic wasp]

you want to pick the stam buff prob only if you are doing something like a +20 and some mechanic can one shot u, very niche xD

[glacial ivy]

Anyone did here 15 halls

And has some advice

To tell us

[chilly brook]

Uhhh

[signal plover]

Don't face tank enraged gargons

[chilly brook]

Kill stuff

Dont die

[glacial ivy]

Route

Is

Biggest deal there

[chilly brook]

You can just follow the weekly route

And be fine

[arctic wasp]

always kite gargons if 3-4 stakcs, if enrage just run, dont even try it, not worth it xD

[glacial ivy]

Yeah

[arctic wasp]

other than that, weekly route will do the trick 😛

[glacial ivy]

Ok

Great

Thx

[signal plover]

Raider io weekly route is fine for 15

Jajaja

[arctic wasp]

try to interrupt casters after an aoe stun so they dont cast at same time, that might be dangerous if not reflected

[glacial ivy]

And how u guys do in plaguefall

How u manage magic dmg

[signal plover]

Sw/da/sr/ip

Oops

DS*

[arctic wasp]

i've never had issues with dmg in plaguefall honestly, any particular pull ?, maybe you can do a diff route if a pull is too hard for you (specially after 1st boss there are several options)

[signal plover]

Kick, shockwave, storm bolt

[glacial ivy]

I think

On stradama

[arctic wasp]

also if you can communicate with your healer, you can always ask for an external on those magical pulls, if in a pug i would say avoid or have SW ready 😛

[glacial ivy]

Kk

Gr8

[chilly brook]

Spell reflect is great in PF

[outer solstice]

it's great in msot dungeons

my pref is ToP

[arctic wasp]

SR is such a powerful tool if well used honestly

one of my fav skill in the game 😛

[median tulip]

It works on a surprising number of important mechanics

I can only assume Blizz haven't noticed it's useful yet; that's the only explanation for why it still works on things

[arctic wasp]

hahaha, well they are buffing us in 9.0.5 let's just hope they dont notice and nerf it xD

also i like that is unique to warriors

[lusty torrent]

#NOFUN zone

warriors may only use aa and shield block from 9.0.5

honestly wouldn't surprise me

[arctic wasp]

aa ?

[lusty torrent]

auto attackk

[arctic wasp]

oh right xD

[signal plover]

Also stands for ancient aftershock here lol

[lusty torrent]

oh my b, im new to prot warrior

first expo

[arctic wasp]

welcome 😛

[signal plover]

It's ok, take a lap

[lusty torrent]

🏃‍♂️

[arctic wasp]

i'm so exited about the new changes in leggos but at the same time i dont have soulash for them 😦

[chrome star]

SO is it safe to reroll Necrolord at this point

[chilly brook]

Wait until it drops?

[deep steppe]

^

[arctic wasp]

i don't know, i'm prob staying in kyrian i like my spear and potion too much

[chilly brook]

I mean theres no rush

Its super easy to get renown

[arctic wasp]

but yeah, i change from venthyr literally a 10 days ago and i'm already capped at renown

[chilly brook]

You can just spam heroics

And zoom

And catch up

And make tons of gold from the augment runes you'll get

[deep steppe]

and plus, Necro is only gonna be really worth it if you specifically play around it

Kyrian + NF will be better for the average person still

[arctic wasp]

i'm pretty sure you can even do it faster, since i dont even tried to farm it, like i did some m+ (for vault mostly) , mythic raid prog, questing, and that's it

[arctic wasp]

that's also true, like if in your raid are going to really use you as a necro (i think boomys are the play here ??) it will be worth, othersie i dont think it is

[uneven mason]

Been eyeballing necro just for boosting my HPal and Rshm during progression

a healing tide pumped with banner

big ticks

[chrome star]

we have boomies waiting for it

[uneven mason]

if my DPS want it they can pay me

[deep steppe]

ah so you're a simp den

[uneven mason]

I'm a RL who likes downing bosses 😛

[chrome star]

lets be clear warrior is a simp tank that is garbage beside their raid utility, I'm only gearing it through mythic reclears for banner and next tier outherwise Id be on my monk or DH

[little rune]

how meaninful in numbers is teh CDR of Shield wall by using AM+TheWall lego?

[rancid ember]

I'd say just let em bid for it 😄

[uneven mason]

very meaningful

avg CD of 1:15 in raid

[little rune]

jesus christ

[uneven mason]

can push it lower if we pump rage

[deep steppe]

disagree but 🤷‍♂️

well now you added a whole new line

i dont want the rest of that

[uneven mason]

But also, TFW you think BrM or VDH is a gem in raid

[deep steppe]

[uneven mason]

Tank balance is closer than its been in previous Xpacs

[signal plover]

5% steonk

[uneven mason]

for raiding

[sweet summit]

lol ok xd

[arctic wasp]

yeah, reason of the high DH pop is only because 80 % of the ppl follows the meta blindly, but seriously i dont think there is an unbalance issues with tanking at least

[deep steppe]

i mean there are issues, but you can do most content with any tank yes

[uneven mason]

Although if it wasn't for the relative weakness of Fury/arms and havoc the tanks used for WF probably would've been Guardianx2

[deep steppe]

[uneven mason]

They're just too easy to keep alive

[deep steppe]

true

[uneven mason]

no gimmics

bears just don't care

[deep steppe]

they're really good

and i dont want them to be cause i like to bully my druid friend

but here we are

[arctic wasp]

i wouldnt call it issues, like an issue for me is the current state of "meele vs range" or the situation with some dps specs /classes hthat are really low in comparison

[deep steppe]

thats fair

there are..."differences"?

that might be a better word?

[arctic wasp]

yeah i get your point though, there is always room for improvement, but i'm happy of how the things are going

[deep steppe]

things are headed in a good direction imo yeah

[chrome star]

leaper should be a conduit

[uneven mason]

it could give us our one useful potency conduit!

althought not sure what i"d use it for beyond moving around maw faster.

[lavish oracle]

Nah, would have been double DH

Mobility was too important for limits kill

Being able to reliably cross the gap to and from add platforms was huge for warrior and DH for WF

Even then, they still ended up with 2 warriors so

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[uneven mason]

tru, dat RC somegud

[wooden spruce]

Looking for the 9.0.5 buff, would it be better now to use UF instead of Rav for m+?

[deep steppe]

TBD

Mwahi is testing stuff

[sweet summit]

maybe, but not because of that buff

[deep steppe]

i think its mostly cause we'll be on AM now? And AM means more avatars so more claps

[lavish oracle]

The UF rotation makes it kinda awkward to dump rage into revenge

[deep steppe]

thats why we have IP

[lavish oracle]

Sure, but my damage

[deep steppe]

you know

you've convinced me

[civic rover]

it has come to my attention that necrolord on prot is getting buffed

[wooden spruce]

If UF is worth then i'll have to use devastator again instead of punish...rotation issues

[wooden spruce]

reworked

[sweet summit]

uf gang

always devastator

[deep steppe]

you should be using devastator already tbh

[wooden spruce]

i like danger

haha

[somber compass]

hey guys 🙂 im new in the Tank gang and have a huge question i just swithced from roq main to preot warri cause i wanna play tank for my firends grp, we are all at like 1,5 rio

my question is :

due to the buffs in 9,0,5 what cov we should pick for prot warri ?

m+ content

[sweet summit]

its more attactive and in line with the others

[jagged pier]

anything u want

[sweet summit]

but not a mandatory pick

[somber compass]

the thing is necrolord or kyr

[sweet summit]

honestly

the one you dont already have in your m+ group

[somber compass]

Necro than ^^

we got 10101000 NF and Kyr

[civic rover]

i switched to NF because I'm a panda and i like being fat groot

[remote tusk]

Is this 10% aura buff just a flat 10% buff?

[lavish oracle]

Nah,only applies to class abilities

So not counting autos, trinkets, enchants, etc

Like a 8 or 9% buff probs, still pretty huge

[wooden spruce]

10% dmg/heal to abilities and 10% dmg/heal to dots and hots + 4% buff to TC

[north pecan]

Doesnt seem like prot will keep up with other tank dps's even with the buff ;/

[compact palm]

If my afflock is doing less DMG then me st I am legally allowed to flame them right?

[lavish oracle]

For sure

Assuming you know them and you're joking around and not just being an asshole

[outer spoke]

I think with bsc reprisal and the 10% we will do basically like 20% more dmg as now

[compact palm]

👀

[north pecan]

Meh I end dungeons from 2.5-3k dps

On my brew I pull 4.2-4.6, bear 3.5-3.8

[lavish oracle]

I end like 3.1-3.8 on warrior depending on the dungeon

Excluding wake because I end that one at like 5k, haha

[north pecan]

Guess I dont press revenge enough ;p

[deep steppe]

these changes will bring us more in line with other tanks

we wont be the PUMPERS like pally

but we'll be better

and we needed better so

is good

[lavish oracle]

We'll be more in line with other tanks in damage, and I think on average tankier than most

[deep steppe]

^

[lavish oracle]

Save for DH and Bear

Honestly maybe tankier than bear and DH but in different ways

Like obviously no one is ever going to be tankier than bear in incarn

But we'll be tankier on the pull for sure

[ebon hound]

What happens if you use new Reprisal as Arms/Fury w/o a shield? Do you still get Shield Block and are able to block with it?

[sick sentinel]

just want to say competitive wise m+ i think both dwarfs have huge advantage, even though i am horde

just, remove any debuff you want, straight up immune to some rare types

[strong forum]

id think so

[strong forum]

yeah dorf is OMEGA busted

i miss it

[sick sentinel]

straight up fuckin IMMUNE to poision and bleed for X second

[strong forum]

na

thats old racial

[sick sentinel]

removes any thing u have and cant be re-applied

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/8z4z1oK.png

i miss it bros...

[sick sentinel]

oh yeah, classic tbc and wrath, dorf pala and rogue

[lavish oracle]

You probably get shield block but can't block w/o a shield, right?

[strong forum]

no clue

[sick sentinel]

my paladin got hacked and deleted because someone else was leveling it and he knew the password and i pissed him off

but the was literal 2005

u need a shield to block 99% sur

you'd have 100% block, but you'd be unable to block

[arctic wasp]

does anyone knows if Evasive Lunge from council lord stravos can be blocked ?, since its came from your back i'm not sure D:

[deep steppe]

yes you can

you have to spin around fast enough

so that you're facing the charge

its very ez to fuck up

[amber siren]

turn around too early and get meleed in the back

[deep steppe]

turn around too late, also get meleed in the back

[weak spindle]

just get melee in back for vengence

wait this isn't pandaria

[thorny saddle]

just hit 60 on my warrior and just wanted to ask if theres any specific secondary stat we want to stack or just go ilevel for prot? i know fury stacks haste bigtime but wasnt sure if prot would be the same?

[stray gazelle]

Ilvl

[deep steppe]

ilvl is king. If you get to the point where you have multiple pieces at max ilvl you want Haste > vers >= Crit

[stray gazelle]

Focus on haste and vers

[thorny saddle]

gotcha thanks kira and halb

i guess chants and gems go to haste since its controllable yeah?

[ornate marten]

Is there a way to check on logs if a tank is facing away from the boss?

[deep steppe]

Yeah

[arctic wasp]

so you have to face him, that feel really hard, i'm going to prog tonight for the 1st time in mythic and i was doing some research but that seems hard ithink D:

[deep steppe]

It is hard 😂. Once you get the timing though it’s like, nothing

[ornate marten]

How do you check?

[deep steppe]

Idk if you can just “check”. You could look at like blocks or parries maybe? Cause you can’t do those if you get hit in the back so

If he has 0 blocks or parries then that could be a sign

[fleet fossil]

any news on m+ leggos after the changes go live? will reprisal be better for m+ or still go for thunderlords?

[outer solstice]

reprisal probably for defensives, and seismic for offense, or did any new change drop?

[lavish oracle]

Did you see the aura buff @outer solstice

[outer solstice]

nah

must've missed it

another 5% ?

like fury got about 100 times?

[lavish oracle]

Nah, 10%

[outer solstice]

gasp

incredible

so we will only be .... 40% behind pallys

I hate aura buffs

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, but we can actually take hits without dying

[shell hare]

Where are you seeing the 10% buff

[next pelican]

wowhead

[chilly brook]

#news perhaps

[lone adder]

For mythic+, is there a key level where we really start to fall off, or just consistently behind?

[lavish oracle]

I don't understand the question

Consistently behind who?

[lone adder]

Other tanks to the point of not getting invites.

[lavish oracle]

I mean, people start doing meta invites stupidly low so that's a bad metric

[distant crystal]

the meta amplifies the difference between different classes specs giga

[sturdy sable]

Everybody doesn't get invites there's literally thousands of people trying to play the game

[grizzled nova]

kinda? I have zero problems pugging 15s on a pwar.

[distant crystal]

it's prob a sort of bell curve really, starts off low, gets highest around 16 keys, and then drops around 20s

[grizzled nova]

Well, getting invites at any rate.

[compact palm]

Run ur own key tanks are rare people will join

[distant crystal]

an 1800+ prot warrior prob gets lots of invites to the keys around their level

moreso than a 1300

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, no problem pugging up in 16s and 17s, but I do get waitlisted by a pretty high percentage of groups

But you're not like "behind other tanks" , really

Aside from like DH and Bear, probably

And from what I've heard, fotm Vdhs are a pain in the ass to heal, lol

[lone adder]

Good to hear.

[outer solstice]

they need healing?

[next pelican]

bad ones do

[outer solstice]

aren't they like 80% BDK?

[upper juniper]

That's not true at all lol

[outer solstice]

well bad prot warriors die on pull...