protection

[jagged pier]

yep

a long time ago

[merry bronze]

Hey guys, i'm struggling to get an answer in the logs chat, wondering if anyone here wouldn't mind reviewing my logs for sire hc for 5 mins of your time? I can post the logs again in the logs chat if needed. I know it's the wrong chat right here.

[ionic fern]

I'm still pugging. 😦

[solemn magnet]

It's me and a healer pugging KSM right now. 2/8 so far

[swift mesa]

it’s rough going

[modern brook]

link

[merry bronze]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/D8b2fJRxpZPQcdLv/#fight=5&playermetrictimeframe=today&playermetriccompare=rankings&source=6

[glossy wave]

Do you have a twitch link ?

[ionic fern]

https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv

[glossy wave]

Thanks

[ionic fern]

He is from NA tho so if you are from EU you might have to just watch the recordings.

[glossy wave]

Yeah i figured 😢

Guess i will watch him at night before bed

[signal plover]

Let pika tuck you in

Aww

[distant meadow]

Effect #1 Apply Aura: Modifies Damage/Healing Done
Value: 10% - What does this mean? 10% dmg buff? i dont understand what it means totally
sorry for the noob question :/

[ionic fern]

Yes, a damage buff.

[distant meadow]

oh.....thats big!

[signal plover]

https://c.tenor.com/iPWFchrlt-YAAAAM/volume-up-turn-knob.gif

[distant meadow]

so between the new leggo and the 10% dmg inc are we gonna sit real pretty in M+? I would like to see vdh dethroned lol

[halcyon trench]

VDH won't be dethroned

[distant meadow]

one could dream i suppose lol

[halcyon trench]

But maybe we can see more tanks on the stage

[distant meadow]

thats honestly what i would like to see. when i pug keys on my rdruid all i get is vdh and prot pally's

[uneven mason]

10% might be enough

[ionic fern]

When ever i happen to make a grp i always take the "non-meta" tanks.

😂

[uneven mason]

☝️

[distant meadow]

and this is why i like you Mwahi lol

[uneven mason]

So many people rolled VDH and Paladin without knowing why they're strong for high keys

and try and actually tank shit

drives me crazy on my Rshm

[ionic fern]

I think it's a lot more visible as a Paladin.

[uneven mason]

a VDH trying to do a MDI level pulll and thne face tanks it

[distant meadow]

lol it makes me giggle when i have to heal a garbage vdh/prot pally

[uneven mason]

Like trying to use duct tape on seaweed

[halcyon trench]

@ionic fern estimated 9.0.5 release date? last march week aprox?

[plush gate]

Why is prot palas strong for high keys?

[distant meadow]

prot pallys do shit loads of dmg

and they have a good kit, plus decent self heals

[uneven mason]

lol that TC buff

"why"

[plush gate]

I went in with my 207 pally in a 14 spire and I felt way less tanky than my Druid at same ilvl. Maybe I need to kite more

[uneven mason]

"Now it does more damage than an auto attack"

[halcyon trench]

What? They have no representation on top keys..

[uneven mason]

by 0.01%

[halcyon trench]

Top keys are mainly tanked by VDH, Monk and Druid

[balmy coral]

Anyone see the stealth 10% buff to prot warriors in 9.0.5?

[wanton condor]

I mean, vdh can honestly facetank a lot

[ionic fern]

Not really a "stealth" buff. :Eyes:

As it was announced.

😂

[balmy coral]

Can't find it in any patch notes.

[lofty thistle]

Pallys cap around 18 -19 they get stomped after that

[uneven mason]

its a hotfix on the PTR

[sweet summit]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321236/patch-9-0-5-ptr-class-hotfixes-for-march-3rd-protection-warrior-aura-buff?webhook

[uneven mason]

for about 8s every min

[balmy coral]

But I verified it, every ability tool tip is about 10% higher than live.

[modern brook]

I dont have time for a deep dive into a whole lot more but

IF you're running AM and the wall this should be much higher

[open monolith]

Ah, the old "Shield Wall is for Emergencies" mistake.

[modern brook]

Overall it looks pretty ok I havent hag time to look into much else. But with AM and Wall you're looking at like 4 or 5 missed casts

[wanton condor]

eh, with spreading fiery brand and either infernal armor or smart demon spike usage you can not explode and then heal right back up

[merry bronze]

Okay, thanks anyway 🙂 I'll look to improve that

[wanton condor]

you can't do mdi pulls of course in a pug

[slim basin]

Pretty sure druids are the "tankiest" tanks

[merry bronze]

I do save my wall too often

[wanton condor]

but VDH is actually surprisingly tanky

[modern brook]

yeah the whole point of the talent/leggo is that you absolutely dont have to save it for anything

[uneven mason]

You're burning SB charges when not getting melee'd so you have biggaps in your blocked hits, the pace of Sire lets you have almost 100% effective uptime on SB for him in P1/2 and about 70% in P3

[modern brook]

pop that shit whenever you're active tank and its up

obviously hold a few secs if it wont overlap a big damage

but like use it

[merry bronze]

Ikarikaze, yes. I've been trying to improve on this. I know my effective shield blocks aren't good enough

[vestal linden]

hmm just looking at the abilities for prot warrior, and i feel overwhelmed by all its utility, is prot warrior hard to play effectively?

[sweet summit]

Not super complicated, but punishing

[uneven mason]

He is hard to get a hold on his pacing though.

since SIre spend a lot of itme casting

and you swpa every 20s

[merry bronze]

I'm getting better, as I notice i take less damage every week from him. But I still need more practise

[balmy coral]

Why is thunderstruck a pvp talents? Should be baked into the spell!

[vestal linden]

ahh yeah, i was just looking after i saw their buff, and i am like O.O so much stuff

[uneven mason]

I just got my first sire kill Monday, he is absolutely a tank destroyer in P3 >< so I feel your pain.

[swift mesa]

Warrior not hard, but more difficult than other tanks IMO and it punishes mistakes harshly

[merry bronze]

Can the blessing of spellwarding and mass dispel also remove scorn stacks?

[sweet summit]

Oh right, like over half of those are not even a thing. But still baked into the aura for some reason

MD no

[uneven mason]

I don't think anything removes it

Spellwarding can probably stop the dmg?

[sweet summit]

I think spellwarding just immunes the damage and prevrnts further applications

[merry bronze]

I use my SR whenever i can in P3, but i've been looking for other ways to mitigate it, didn't find anything. Was considering spellwarding as my co-tank is a prot pala

[uneven mason]

Pump IP

is what I do

[sweet summit]

Just swap earlier?

[uneven mason]

and yeah taunt as soon as stacks drops, normally saved a stack

[merry bronze]

I do try to keep my IP up, but i feel like it's so weak i wanna take it off my actionbar 😦

Anything helps I guess

[open monolith]

You know what is weaker than IP?

taking 50% more damage for no reason on a fight where you take a lot of damage.

[uneven mason]

Sock and I agree on something for once.

[woven trellis]

Hey what does this mean an aura buff of 10%

[steel mist]

Do you guys prefer AM or bolster?

[woven trellis]

sorry to ask

[steel mist]

If you are running the wall

[uneven mason]

when I sat on my rage gens until I hit 6 stacks on scorn IP was able to hit almost 2k HPS

[sand condor]

in the most basic sense

[uneven mason]

means all our attacks are increased by a flat 10%

[sand condor]

10% more damage

AND

[woven trellis]

is this only for damage or

[sand condor]

thunderclap gets a 5% ish upgrade

[woven trellis]

like does IP is 10% more effective as well

[sand condor]

i think so but if not someone correct me

[uneven mason]

🤣

[hexed rune]

Damage and healing is the language used

[woven trellis]

do you guys think its huge? not enough?

[steel mist]

I mean it benefits threat gen when some mage suddenly decides to pop combust

[sand condor]

i think it's a start

[woven trellis]

btw you thing think we going to actually Use reprisal legendary with the change or?

[main frigate]

for sure we use reprisal

[steel mist]

Do you guys prefer sanguine vintage or the hakkar trinket as absorb

[woven trellis]

since reprisal will give 100% uptime we will go on Anger Management?

[solemn magnet]

Hakkar for sure

[hexed rune]

I know this has been asked to death probably, but: I'm swapping from kyrian and really like necrolord over NF.
How badly would I be Gimping myself? Considering I pug mythic + and have a consistentish group for raid?

[valid zodiac]

NF m+ is amazing

[vestal linden]

if the 10% more damage and healing is an aura does it affect your group as well?

[steel mist]

Probably a damage loss

[woven trellis]

i dont think so no

[vestal linden]

oh

[sweet summit]

A spec aura does not interact like that

[steel mist]

With aftershock I'm doing 3k overall in necrowake if we pull everything

[vestal linden]

weird to call it an aura than

[woven trellis]

well thats how they call it

[vestal linden]

ahh gotcha

[hexed rune]

Hmm, that's not too bad

[uneven mason]

Eh, its classified as an aura because its a permanent effect (hidden buff)

[real veldt]

"Aura" is a catchall term for buffs and debuffs

Including "invisible" buffs and debuffs that don't show up on your bars

[hexed rune]

Basically it's a way to buff the class without sitting and changing each ability

[real veldt]

For instance, if you use weakauras, you may notice that if you want to track a buff, you select Aura then select Buff as a subcategory of Aura

[vestal linden]

gotcha, just play a lot of moba's as well and auras affect anyone close by so maybe that's where i was messin up the two

[uneven mason]

someone smarted up I think during WoD Development and was like "Whydon't we just create hidden buffs that are always on for the specs that apply % Mods to their abilities so we can easily tune them!"

[real veldt]

It's certainly not the best terminology in terms of clarity

[uneven mason]

But its the correct term for what it is, as far as the database goes

[real veldt]

Sure

[vestal linden]

gotcha

[uneven mason]

its treated as an "always on, persists through death" buff that is cast when you pick specs.

[vestal linden]

i'll just make sure the next time it says anythin it actually says it affects other players instead of just the word aura than

[real veldt]

I just wish that they picked a different name for it, like "Spec power" or something

I mean, maybe not that, idiots would freak out because some spec had 18% "spec power" and theirs had 0% and think it meant their spec was trash

[vestal linden]

yeah read into it too muhc

[woven trellis]

the same that believe in illuminati

probably

[daring marlin]

lol no

[fresh valley]

these 9.0.5 changes gonna make me dust off the ole sword/board

[echo egret]

Is it common practise among pugs to blatantly ignore the route you link, pull an extra pack, then wonder why you don't have snap aggro on them all ?

[fickle timber]

That’s called “Fragilay has left the group”

Especially when the person who asks for my route is the culprit

I swear a lot of dps are pure gorillas.

[uneven mason]

My favorite is the hunter who thinks its ok to MD another pack on to you "to speed things up" and throws your pridefull off track, then bitches they don't have it for bosses.

Like, in NW - literally skip most of the first room, dude pulls that pack dead center at the first set of stairs "I never skip this, its great"

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[fickle timber]

Yeah I’m cold as fuck

I pretty much day if you want to plan route level a tank

Otherwise stand behind

Pretty much say*

Especially when people refuse comms

Im not typing, so here is route and here is link to my discord

[uneven mason]

I refuse them

[wanton condor]

honestly, if a dps ever pulls on purpose I serious have a little demon at the back of my head that says "just fucking brick it"

[fickle timber]

Yup!

Unless we are just smashing

[wanton condor]

low keys are just filled with morons; had one guy just run straight into the stealth pack on SoA

[fickle timber]

But if we wipe because of bullshit like that I usually bail

[wanton condor]

I just sat back and watched him die

[fickle timber]

If we get it down I let it go

When I put a marker down and say stand here

And people ask why

#triggered

[wanton condor]

That key also had
"we're gonna do the skip"
LEORY JENKINS
"wait here while I pull the spear throwers"
YOLO

[fickle timber]

Share route explaining kite pulls with arrows

Dude wants me to type mid key to explain “stay put”

Bitches I’m taking too long between pills

[wanton condor]

that said, last week I had a few bricked HoA keys due to DPS who just could not handle tyrannical damage reqs and some of them outright apologized

which was nice

[echo egret]

My #1 source for failures are lack of knowledge that this spell must be kicked as much as possible in trash packs.

[sick sentinel]

Universal truth

[fickle timber]

Shadowcore

[midnight stone]

I generally overexplain where I'm going, when pride is before the key starts

I only pug so it seems necessary to avoid people body pulling or wanting to do "this sweet route I did before"

[wanton condor]

if I'm doing anything more than the basic dratnos I'll link it and explain

even then I'll often shout DO NOT CLICK ON BLUE LADY AFTER WE GO RIGHT

[wild hemlock]

i only have 2 dungeons left pugging on my ele shaman 😦

[solar crown]

What is this about 10% buff in ptr? Is it just a straight 10% dmg buff across the board?

[signal plover]

Yeah we're getting an aura tune

[uneven mason]

yes

[signal plover]

The day after we discussed an aura tuning in here

SUS

[uneven mason]

It'll put us ahead of BDK I guess.

[uneven mason]

IKR

[signal plover]

Baby steps

[uneven mason]

They're watching us.

So pretend we're really bad

[ebon hound]

You mean every day

[solar crown]

I can share my logs in here, then we'll get 20% buff

[signal plover]

Shhh

Don't you remember, we have no meaningful prot discussions in this server

[ebon hound]

I'm just glad the endless Thunderlords vs The Wall discussions will soon be over

[uneven mason]

I never saw much discussion

I saw a lot of asking about it

[ebon hound]

discussion might be the wrong word, yeah

[uneven mason]

It'll turn back into "Will leaper let us kite"

[signal plover]

No, leaper lets us fly

You fools

[median tulip]

But the damage buff to Thunderclap today on PTR makes it better, right? /s

[uneven mason]

I Mean...its a considerable upgrade in its damage

but its not going to make UF worth while

or TC higher priority

its still behind literally anything else you have on the GCD

but at least it does a bit more than auto attack

[smoky wave]

20% more wet noodle is still wet noodle

[uneven mason]

TC was just that - an auto attack that produced 3 extra rage.

[median tulip]

Either UF or CT needs to buff TCs damage IMO

[uneven mason]

its more like an 11% buff

but still

UF does buff its damage

by 30%

(was 100% back in 8.0)

and TC used to hit for almost as much as SS

[median tulip]

Yeah it needs to go back to being 100%

[uneven mason]

No

I'd rather they buff TC base by 100%

[jagged pier]

☝️

[uneven mason]

as UF was a horrible playstyle

I mean, the bootyclap was fun while it lasted

[modern brook]

honest question

[uneven mason]

mostly due to the 70% uptime on Demoshout

[smoky wave]

that, it's satisfying visually but then I see the numbers and have a sad

[modern brook]

The kite meta still exist?

I'm doing baby 13s and im sleeping at sub 210 ilvl still

[uneven mason]

we're not facetanking 26s even with Reprisal

[wild hemlock]

my favorite is when people try to pick up the hammer while stealth in NW

[modern brook]

Yeah but we never were face tanking 26s

I'm talking the reddit opinion about oh if ur taking damage while tanking a pack on a 15 ur dead

[wanton condor]

or don't dismiss pets going over the fallen pillar

[modern brook]

like KITE META kite meta u know

[uneven mason]

Can't pick it up anymore?

[chilly brook]

UF was a great playstyle tf

[uneven mason]

When we had Deafening Crash

We no longer have DC

thus, UF would feel bad man

[modern brook]

stealth always broke when activating the weapons

[chilly brook]

Nah it would be fine

[uneven mason]

Interesting

[modern brook]

u could vanish / fd the ones near the mini boss

[uneven mason]

ah

[modern brook]

You might be able to do it in invis pot tbh

[uneven mason]

thats how my rogue always did it

[median tulip]

Reddit is full of shitlers regurgitating received opinions on content they've never done

[modern brook]

I dont know how invis pots work cause my calss is an invis pot

[open monolith]

any action breaks invis, same as stealth, afaik

[modern brook]

well i know like u can walk through things w/ an invis pot

compared to stealth

so there are small differences but

not really what you were saying

[wild hemlock]

IM SO SCARED TO USE MY PRIMAL ELEMENTALS THAT I CANT DISMISS IN CERTAIN DUNGEONS

[wild hemlock]

no, i learned that the hard way

[uneven mason]

TC still hits for less than revenge

By even more now

actually

[median tulip]

TBH the 9.0 change I most hated was the nerf to the Revenge! Proc rate

[uneven mason]

<

eh

I mean, they did buff revenge and remove its CD

So, thats good

[modern brook]

the tc damage change is a jab i cant ip

[chilly brook]

TC just hits for less

[modern brook]

3% ap ratio

[chilly brook]

[modern brook]

thanks blizzard :/

[uneven mason]

Right

"damn, now its almost equal to my auto attacks WITH devastator"

[modern brook]

Side bar:

whts with prot warrior and having abilities that do less than auto attacks in the same time?

last expac it was ravager

[uneven mason]

But the parry is good defensively right?!

[modern brook]

👯

[uneven mason]

to be fair, parry was good

just not from Ravager

[modern brook]

parry sleep

party 😍

[uneven mason]

Ravager had been dead for a long time

they just didn't know what to do with it

Its like our Deep wounds damage

its still a thing

but its not REALLY a thing

for a while our DW damage was amazing

[signal plover]

Moist* noodle

[median tulip]

Parry was better in BfA because parries always gave a free Revenge. When that got nerfed so you don't get as many free Revenges, Parry (& therefore Critical Strike) became worth less overall

[uneven mason]

its gone from overcooked to aldente

[signal plover]

Lol

[wild hemlock]

lmaooo my 205 ilvl 600 io prot warrior is 29th on burning blade server.

their really that little warriors?

there

[modern brook]

yeah

[uneven mason]

Burning Blade is a cesspool

[wild hemlock]

stop it

[open monolith]

did you just say ravager is dead

[uneven mason]

My ex GF still runs my original guild there 😛

[median tulip]

I like the miniscule healing Conduit that's billed as a Protection Conduit, but I only ever use as Arms

[modern brook]

he used the past perfect

[wild hemlock]

what is it. ill apply and burn it to the ground

[open monolith]

had been

got it

[uneven mason]

Probably not, its had the same people in it for 11 years

[open monolith]

words are hard at 9am

[uneven mason]

I'm not even sure they invite anyone new.

[wild hemlock]

you underestimate the oogaooga prot warrior

[uneven mason]

Coalition of the Horde~

[wild hemlock]

im jk i wont even look up

[uneven mason]

have fun wiping on Shreikwing HC

[median tulip]

Is US Burning Blade the equivalent of EU Kazzak?

[uneven mason]

Worse

[median tulip]

Wow

[jagged pier]

yikes u cant get much worse than kazzak

[wild hemlock]

dude it sounds like IRL friend guild i just left. recruited me over. told me a bunch of seasoned vets coming back. 5/10 heroic as we speak.

[open monolith]

lol what even is 6... is it council?

[jagged pier]

council is 7 no? even on hc

[median tulip]

Xy'mox or Sun King

[modern brook]

Without being too forgiving

[uneven mason]

True story, beginning of the Xpac my wife joined them because she wanted to avoid progression raiding, and we still have friends in there.
So while they're wiping over and over on normal Hungering Destroyer my wife came on our alt run and got her CN achievement...

[open monolith]

well xy'mox is free. Sun King is only hard if your healers are trash / your raid doesn't know how to position for the very short damage phase.

[uneven mason]

They wouldn't invite her to raid after that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[modern brook]

Sunking def requires your healers to turn off their raid frames and xymox requires 3 ppl willing to do mechanics right

so like i can see those being blocks

like frankly they should just number through it at this point

[uneven mason]

Xy'mox requires seeds and people being able to run into a hole at 1 second

[modern brook]

but :eh: for the avg shitter i dont think its that surprsing

[modern brook]

yah and there are 3 seeds

🙂

[open monolith]

I'm pretty sure you can completely avoid the axe hole if you use... is it roar or windwalk totem? maybe both?

idk. I just know from watching Limit they literally don't even use the teleporter for the axe.

[uneven mason]

yeah you can

if your DPS is high enough that you won't run out of those CDs

[jagged pier]

^^

[open monolith]

I've tried literally just running at the wall with windwalk totem

and it wasn't enough for me

so idk what extra thing they were using

or maybe im just bad

[uneven mason]

you can also warlock it

[pure goblet]

Can someone explain the change of the warrior to me?

[uneven mason]

our damage is increased by 10%

[median tulip]

I usually just Charge Xy'mox to get away from the axe

[uneven mason]

I always have glyph so its leap time

[pure goblet]

scream increases damage or base damage increases?

[uneven mason]

wat

[austere stream]

Just to be clear, Lell...It's on the PTR that the change is happening.

[uneven mason]

its a blanket increase to our ability damage

and healing

(healing we cast)

[pure goblet]

okey thanks

[uneven mason]

yeah its a hotfix for PTR

[median tulip]

Also, fun fact: if you time Heroic Leap correctly when you have Glyph of Destruction, the explosion is Planar like Dealer Xy'era in DOS; so if you are airborne when it goes off nobody takes damage.

[austere stream]

I'm assuming the cheat sheet that's pinned is still good? It was posted mid-January and I don't know what updates have happened.

[uneven mason]

because someone from blizzard stopped by and was like "Huh I was shocked to findout that warriors are ok with how durable they are, all they've been bitching about non stop for the past 48 hours was their DPS is shit compared to BFA"

[uneven mason]

Literally none yet

[austere stream]

That is actually amazing to know.

[smoky wave]

omg, I'm totally wiping us tonight trying this.

[fickle timber]

@austere stream wow

[median tulip]

Warning: it's really tricky to pull off

[uneven mason]

You know how artificer takes another 5 seconds to "end combat" once the fight is done

[smoky wave]

s'alright, it'll mostly be other people dying, not me.

[median tulip]

Lol

[uneven mason]

my co tank had the arcane debuff and Glyph right before the fight closed

so glyph goes off and kills everyone but the 2 of us

[austere stream]

?

[uneven mason]

at like 0.2s on the hearthstone cast

we were like "oh, thats a thing"

[austere stream]

I'm actually wondering what the reason is for not using Fueled by Violence. Is Deep Wounds just not high enough damage for it to count for much?

[uneven mason]

Another great kill was HC alt run where we managed to kill Lady D by our UDKs armor being alive due to the Necrolord soulbind.

[uneven mason]

Its like, 2% leech?

effectively

[median tulip]

The first time we killed Xy'mox the final blow was from Draven's exploding corpse thing

[jagged pier]

deeps wounds does like no damage and unvering and stalwart and brutal are all just better flat out @austere stream

[uneven mason]

or 0.2%

[open monolith]

what you gain from FBV isn't as valuable as Shield Wall CDR / Rage generation during last stand / shield from brutal vit

[median tulip]

It's an Arms conduit, not a Protection one

[uneven mason]

know what a nice potency conduit would be, "Ignore pain now deals 50% of the absorbed damage to all targets within 8 yards"

rewards us for proper play

¯_(ツ)_/¯

without being OP

also would scale with damage taken

[median tulip]

Indelible Victory is a better conduit than Fueled by Violence

[uneven mason]

And that is saying something when IV is one of the worst conduits in the game.

[wild hemlock]

will havey reprecussion ever see play? wouldnt it be decent with all the shield blocks we get in 9.0.5?

[ebon hound]

I'm playing repercussions on council right now

[jagged pier]

why?

[wild hemlock]

nice dude. i was mostly speaking m+ so sorry for not specifiying

[ebon hound]

For the minigame, takes my mind off the boss-fight

[signal plover]

But bolster so gud there

[wild hemlock]

i was speaking with 9.0.5 and reprisal in m+

[jagged pier]

^^ cant imagine doing it without it

going to 9 stack in final phase its scary

[uneven mason]

we'll have nearly 100% uptime and AM provides more DPS, HR won't provide much atall.

[jagged pier]

[wild hemlock]

cool. thanks.

[signal plover]

I think AM will be much better with this combo

Yeah what ikari said

[uneven mason]

Like the primary power HR would provide is completely negated, the rage income on HR, which, with reprisal we're basically flooded with it

We'll have so much rage that BV is no longer the play

which is Astounding after 2 Xpacs of rage draughts

[vestal moat]

Wait, is ignore pain being affected by the aura buff ?? Someone said our healing is being bugged too. There’s no way that can be true right.

[open monolith]

IP isn't included in the list of abilities being buffed

on the PTR patch notes

[solemn magnet]

Oh rly

[vestal moat]

Yeah I just looked and it’s not.

[open monolith]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321236/patch-9-0-5-ptr-class-hotfixes-for-march-3rd-protection-warrior-aura-buff

check "affected spells"

[vestal moat]

Well, more damage means more brutal vitality and leech healing so there’s a tiny defensive benefit lol.

[open monolith]

or ctrl+F Ignore. it's not on there

the "damge/healing" done wording is just general wording for aura buffs

the aura they are buffing is just all of our damage abilities

Spear of Bastion is included 😄

[uneven mason]

as is both parts of AA

[unkempt fox]

hey guys thoughts on 2 potency conduits if i want to go draven hold your ground?

[amber herald]

is that a 10% buff or a 20% buff to damage?

the link

[uneven mason]

10%

[amber herald]

what's with the two lists both saying 10%?

[open monolith]

nothing to read into

it's a 10% buff.

[amber herald]

thundeclap dmg buff seems unimportant but the roots kinda nice

[uneven mason]

one is for the direct portion, the other is for periodic, they split those because they needed a way to compartmentalize the damage portions, to allow for targeted tuning.

[amber herald]

ahh ok

[open monolith]

the tclap buff is needed

that button felt bad to press

it now feels less bad to press

[amber herald]

I suppose kiting is a little more interesting for us now

[open monolith]

why

[signal plover]

It's pretty much the same

We just do a bit more damaj

[open monolith]

yeah not sure how our kiting has changed at all

[signal plover]

With Reprisal we will prolly do a good bit less kiting tbh

[tepid raptor]

What talents do you run for raids? I don't understand the pinned one

I'm fury main

[strong forum]

Deva, indom, itf, am

[tepid raptor]

Oki

[strong forum]

Those are the impactful ones

[tepid raptor]

I'm venthyr

does that change any?

[strong forum]

No

[tepid raptor]

what do you enchant ur onehand with ? XD

ascended vigor?

[amber herald]

helps us control mobs

I do mean a tiny little bit more interesting

[solemn magnet]

I use celestial cuz I'm cheap and it seems fine

[signal plover]

Celestial or lightless are fine

[open monolith]

....what about a 10% damage buff helps us control mobs, Lasagnelover?

[amber herald]

thunderclap roots now

[open monolith]

wat did I miss a patch note

huh. it does say rooting for 1 second. Weird

oh, no

that's the PvP talent Thunderstruck

[signal plover]

Yeah that's always been the case fellas

[amber herald]

oh

[signal plover]

Not a change

[amber herald]

back to heroic throw spam then

[chilly brook]

A 10% aura buff

A surprise

But a welcome one to be sure

[keen epoch]

sorry if this question gets asked often but i just joined, but do you think the necro buffs are gonna be good enough to make them good?

[stark sage]

depends on your definition of good, but yes the changes make it much more competitive

[deep steppe]

people will actually go necro now yes

for the average person Kyrian/NF will still be better

but in a super coordinated group

Necro will slap

[winter temple]

isnt super coordianted just "on coms", they pop 2 mins you pop 2 mins type shit

[chilly brook]

No lol

[keen epoch]

yeah, plus i think that shield buff is gonna be great

the fleshcraft

[chilly brook]

If you play with a boomie you're gonna be waiting 3 minutes

[winter temple]

1 minunte*

[deep steppe]

RIP boomies

[chilly brook]

No

3 minutes

Because they delay convoke for CA

[sick sentinel]

Is protection meta now? 😄

[keen epoch]

oh i didn't see, they they up cd on convoke?

[chilly brook]

No

They just delay convoke for CA

[keen epoch]

ah ok

[deep steppe]

Meta? Prolly not. Reprisal lego will make is really strong in M+ doe so

[chilly brook]

Plus you popping your banner does you no good if you're not next to your boomie or fire mage

[keen epoch]

Ok im swapping back to necrolord now

[wanton condor]

by the standards of pugs getting them to hold their CDs for your CD is some psychic power level of coordination

[stark sage]

in a pug, i'd not think about it that hard, maybe stand in the melee so you dont buff the cotank and use it on CD

its still good to buff any dps with it, just ideal to hit mage/boomie/dk during their burst

[keen epoch]

buffing a mages mastery isn't really that good though i thought

[austere harbor]

will be for ST

not as much for aoe

[chilly brook]

Yes but I mean when boomies do all their damage in the convoke window and their best trinket is some 200ilvl huge mastery buff you're gonna be holding it for the boomies because its gonna be pretty huge for them

[chilly brook]

It's still really good for their aoe

Their aoe still applies ignite

[stark sage]

yeah idk, just some preliminary buffing sims put fire and balance at like +175-200 dps each

not optimized or finalized yet

[lunar pewter]

Will Reprisal buff affect it usefulness in raids? I cant imagine jumping with boss and charge to every player just to pop shield block 😄 I'm near 60 and I'l start gearing my prot which I hope to switch on 9.0.5/9.1 from unholy and I'm wondering what leggo craft first/covenant to join if my main focus is mythic raiding and some keys above 15

[stark sage]

but they were a couple of the better specs to hit, sim was just afk using on CD iirc tho

[chilly brook]

I'd assume it could be higher in that case then

[keen epoch]

i really just wanted to be edgy and be a necrolord and wanted to know if i would be gimping myself super hard or not

[stark sage]

yeah no sense in making super optimized ones until its live

[chilly brook]

Since it would only buff the first convoke really

That's a horrible way to phrase it

[stark sage]

but you also have to consider is delaying 1 minute for the balance druid worth it, because the opportunity cost for delaying the warrior and other dps

[chilly brook]

It would only buff the first convoke optimally*

[stark sage]

right, so maybe you only buff balance when it lines with their CDs, and try to hit other specs inbetween

[strong forum]

In raid you might not even play reprisal, the wall is very strong for raiding

[keen epoch]

just wait for necro prot warrior and 2 minute darkglare warlocks to take over

[chilly brook]

I'm just hoping it's good enough for the warrior to not bother delaying

[keen epoch]

in m+ i mean

[chilly brook]

Cuz if it was I would consider playing it and just saying "fuck you all you get it if you get it"

[solemn magnet]

Thats what it'll be in pugs

[stark sage]

that would be the best case, and most likely the real use for it
Unless we find that buffing 2 three min specs is better than buffing 3 min specs on pull then at the 6 minute mark

[grizzled forge]

so how does the cheese work for council as warrior you just leap away and let him come to you and just tank him till leap is back or?

[chilly brook]

I probably won't be going it anyways since fury

[stark sage]

its not bad for fury tbf

[chilly brook]

But then again 24% strength lining up with every other reck sounds kinda dope

[stark sage]

doesnt line well with arms CDs, unless AM gets popular
but i could see it being a pretty solid pick if you play prot and fury

[strong forum]

What cheese? You mean kiting strat?

@grizzled forge

For the adds in p3

[grizzled forge]

ya sorry maybe not cheese, but ya just kiting in general like with the only one leap you leap away he comes to you then what

just stand and tank him till you can leap away again or?

[strong forum]

Grip, intervene, gateway, speedbuff

You run in a circle around the room

Using different mobility abilities

[chilly brook]

I dont see myself playing arms too much it's fun but I just play better as fury tbh

[jolly thistle]

spear is ~400dps afaik in m+. 400x120sec=48k. Banner is 15sec up -> 48k/15=3k2. That means tank and 2 dps need to gain 3k2dps in that 15sec window to make banner better than spear. (Doesn’t include different soulbinds etc)

[stark sage]

yeah m+ has too many variables idk where to start with trying to napkin math it out

[keen epoch]

ok but necro is cooler looking

[stark sage]

for overall raid damage, necro is likely to win
for aoe its not as obvious, and really depends on allies + pull size

but you also have to consider stuff like phial

[deep steppe]

I would assume unless you're reeeeeeeeeeeeeally playing around it, for M+ kyrian/NF is gonna be better

[solemn magnet]

Does having access to the dungeon specific traits of being necro make a huge difference? I run with a necro rsham that I'm pretty sure never activates the banners and no clue about the slime buffs in PF

[stark sage]

he should be doing those things

[jolly thistle]

banners are 10%? versa

[stark sage]

those buffs are significant

one slime is 15% haste for your entire party

[coarse kestrel]

Oh cool dmg buff

No clue what an aura buff translates to

[stark sage]

all your abilities

[lavish oracle]

I'm sure if warrior sees play in MDI it'll be with banner

[jolly thistle]

it includes everything except pure auto attacks

[stark sage]

so a 10% aura amounts to slightly less than 10% overall performance
since it doesnt affect auto attacks/ damage procs from enchants/trinkets etc

[lavish oracle]

But also that's assuming like perfect comps and incredibly practiced pulls

[light quartz]

If only we would get Bastion of Might back =/

[uneven mason]

Good thing the MDI teams are given an entire realm with infinite resettable keys to try multiple comps

[lavish oracle]

I know, that was my point

Necro is good in dungeons in very high coordination settings

Like the MDI

[chilly brook]

I'll take a 10% buff to my 14k execute crits

[strong forum]

14k

[copper venture]

any tips on getting aggro back in aoe situations?

[lavish oracle]

Challenging shout

[strong forum]

press revenge and spear

[copper venture]

specifically when they're scattered

and when CS is on cd

[chilly brook]

Revenge

[deep steppe]

all of your AOE buttons

[chilly brook]

Shield slam the ones that you dont have aggro on either

[deep steppe]

^

[strong forum]

heroic leap to reset taunt

spam taunt

[chilly brook]

But mostly a revenge cast or two will fix things

[lavish oracle]

You can taunt + leap to reset taunt and taunt again to pick up stragglers

[jolly thistle]

tell your group to shadowmeld

[deep steppe]

[chilly brook]

How you gonna skip pride then

Dummy

[lavish oracle]

Pots

[chilly brook]

Sorry bad joke

[deep steppe]

[jolly thistle]

[chilly brook]

But then again hes playing alliance so hed have to get his group to have enough brain cells to rub together to even think about melding

[chilly brook]

What're yours hitting for?

I'm baby 213 weapon

[deep steppe]

[jolly thistle]

true

[chilly brook]

Feelsbadman

Remove faction swap cost tbh

If they did that I have a feeling they might actually fix the pve problem alliance has

Although really cross faction pve is just the better play

[jolly thistle]

idc I’m only playing with friends anyways. I haven’t pugged for a long time

[chilly brook]

I wouldn't mind playing alliance

If it actually meant I wasn't cucking myself

Like #1 trialing for a guild is a risk you take monetarily usually, its doubled if you have to faction change and then #2 you're actively hurting yourself for m+

[signal plover]

Dorf together strong

[jolly thistle]

If you only want to get CE then it doesn’t matter. M+ pugging is a pain on alliance

[coarse kestrel]

O lord 10% buff to my condemns too

[vestal moat]

Will I notice a difference in survivability if our warlock on a raid boss was never using curse of weakness and is about to start? O.o

[sick sentinel]

i wanna focus m+ but do raiding on the side, should i still go thunderlord?

[coarse kestrel]

I'm not a big m+ guy but I stopped using TL and go with the wall for regular keys and seismic reverb for easily survivable keys

[signal plover]

TL is kinda dying out

[distant meadow]

i only use the wall, and i use it for everything

[signal plover]

Slowly has been for months

[distant meadow]

^

the old t clap build from bfa is dead imo

[deep steppe]

I still use T-lord for my weekly m+

But I’ll be on that reprisal train in 9.0.5

[strong forum]

10-12k with 226 weppy

With pelagos buff and avatar up

Must have some insane vers mastery stacked gear to hit 14k

[coarse kestrel]

I think my condemn crits are 14k with 213 weap but wcl isn't loading up for me

[strong forum]

Well condemn is different to execute

[coarse kestrel]

Huh. Depends on boss a lot I guess

[chilly brook]

I'm condemn atm so that's prolly why

[coarse kestrel]

Shriek last one highest was 12.5k. Huntsman last highest was 20k

[strong forum]

Well huntsman takes 100% more dmg

Once the last bear dies

So that doesn't count

[coarse kestrel]

Hungering 14k

[mellow patio]

Nome sounds like you just need to press the button harder

[coarse kestrel]

Yea and swap the venthyr so you have fewer buttons to press hard

[strong forum]

Can't press harder

[mellow patio]

Venthyr is so edgy

Kinda cringe

[uneven mason]

5000 valor cap for the first week, if you can't spend it you lose 3500

What happens for the people who literally cannot loot shit they need

[coarse kestrel]

But they have a very compact base

[primal shale]

How real are the covenant changes? Warrior just hit 60 and would rather not have to redo renown when I'm already trying to catch up

[coarse kestrel]

You could pick literally any after next patch and be great

[jagged pier]

^^

[uneven mason]

NL is going from completely garbage to functional

its not OP

end changes

[sick sentinel]

put the wall on shoulder or cloak?

[dusky pilot]

is shield block considered very strong as an active mitigation? (if you can keep it up most of the time)

[jagged pier]

its the best mitigation we have

[uneven mason]

literally the strongest

vs blockable dmg

[coarse kestrel]

Literally the strongest physical mit

[dusky pilot]

do other classes' not have mitigation on par?

[uneven mason]

can't be generic with that physical mit, cause bleeds are physical and we don't mit those for anything.

[warped mulch]

It’s great, only issue warriors have is it only works on blockabke stuff and our secondary option is kinda bad

[uneven mason]

Not for blockable damage.

[coarse kestrel]

Good point

[uneven mason]

for melee hits warriors are head and shoulders above everyone else

bears come close

if they get a lot of stacks of IF

[chilly brook]

Just spam the key 4head

I mean tbh

I'll probably spam lower keys on PF for the trinket

[dusky pilot]

im assuming its so strong cause the decrease in damage taken cause of it blocking damage is more than other's active mitigations?

blocking is 30% right?

[chilly brook]

Blocking isn't a set %

Depends on your shield

[coarse kestrel]

Get a group that tolerates your shit and fail the key each time! It's brilliant

[chilly brook]

Block value

[uneven mason]

Chain +2 DOS go

[chilly brook]

And that block value can double because of crit block

@dusky pilot

[uneven mason]

I will tank stack the crap out of DOS keys

for a scale

[chilly brook]

I think my base block is around 40%

[dapper coral]

If I'm dog crap at PvP on my Warrior, what would be the best avenue to get Conquest?

[dusky pilot]

didnt shields used to have high af armor and blocks were a set amount or am i tripping?

[uneven mason]

go arms, rbgs

[uneven mason]

bv is based on your shields bv

[chilly brook]

Not anytime recently

[smoky tundra]

I think the pool starts at 5000 and just continues to increase each week. You'll only be limited by the 1500 character cap

[chilly brook]

Also wtf is that pfp

👀

[dusky pilot]

you're the third person to ask me that in this discord

[coarse kestrel]

Everyone I've seen does shoulders no clue why maybe Stat budget or something I just followed suit and did shoulders

[uneven mason]

Right Scout, so let me explain

Shoulders because cloaks have the shittiest stat budget

literally of all slots

So Scout - back to the loot thing, I've gone this entire Xpac without actually looting gear myself

Nearly everything I'm wearing has been handed to me by someone who no longer needs it

Its quite depressing

[floral pewter]

you don't earn 5k then lose 3500, you just can't go past 1500

[uneven mason]

You lose the unspent

if you have 5k and the week rolls over

[floral pewter]

you can't have 5k

[uneven mason]

it drops to 1500, you can't HOLD more than 1500 at any one time

[floral pewter]

there is a cap of 1500 on how much you can hold

[uneven mason]

well

right so you can't keep earning

[coarse kestrel]

That does make a lot of sense

[uneven mason]

SO if you can't spend that 5000 the first week

the way its worded

that you're boned.

Unless they're going to treat it like conquest

where the "earnable" cap

[wild hemlock]

ugh 9.0.5 next week please

[floral pewter]

It's definitely the earnable cap

[uneven mason]

I'm hoping htats the case

[floral pewter]

there's nothing about the 1500 inventory limit only kicking in on week 2

[uneven mason]

but still

[floral pewter]

you just straight-up can't hold over 1500

[chilly brook]

I'd assume probably because some of us are at work lmao

[uneven mason]

So, the cap the 2nd week should be 6500?

[floral pewter]

no, 5750

[uneven mason]

ah

Also is that KSM unlock for the 220 gear account wide, or per character?

guess it doesn't matter.

[deep steppe]

i would guess account wide since KSM is account wide?

[ornate sky]

hard to make an assumption on account wide with blizzard 😦

[floral pewter]

account-wide gearing sounds way too good to be true

but who knows, maybe

[wild hemlock]

account wide

[lofty junco]

there was a chinese Q&A where they said it was account wide

[wild hemlock]

the way its worded it seems to be account wide. Blizz could be blizz and ya know "anti fun"

[strong forum]

chinese wow isnt the same as regular wow tho

[floral pewter]

the 1500 inventory cap seems pointless though

I guess they don't want people stockpiling forever in hope of BiS

or something

but it'll just feel bad when you don't get anything to spend on

[sick sentinel]

Is the recent buff to prot up rn in ptr?

[uneven mason]

afaik

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[uneven mason]

I mean, that is literally what this is for. So you can actually obtain functional gear without praying to RNGesus to give you a good roll on your vault

So far my vault has been "Oh a cloak, or another IQD"

I could build a fucking igloo out of the IQDs I've received

[novel echo]

Hey all, is it haste>vers for us? Some forums on blizzard site are saying haste>mastery 🤔

[uneven mason]

I mean, both statements are true

[floral pewter]

yeah, but idk what other purpose the inventory cap is supposed to have

[uneven mason]

But the real answer is ilvl > stats

[floral pewter]

if not a "hey, fucking spend this instead of waiting for perfect haste/vers gear in every slot"

[ornate sky]

i think he means for leggo

[uneven mason]

ah

[uneven mason]

For lego its haste + vers

[chilly brook]

Haste vers is better for us

[uneven mason]

you could haste crit and be a rebel

[novel echo]

Yeah I made a haste and@mastery Lego

[uneven mason]

My seismic will be haste crit

[floral pewter]

although if it really does take like a month of valor to upgrade one item to 220, then people will hold for BiS anyway, because duh

[novel echo]

Luckily I made the wrong Lego anyway like a boss

Thanks guys

Also for@enchants, shall I do all haste? Or mix it up

[uneven mason]

just haste is fine

our stats are close enough

[novel echo]

Tyty

[uneven wave]

Did prot just get rubbed with a 10% dam buff?

[ornate sky]

yeppers

[uneven wave]

nice

[ornate sky]

massive survivability increase from the deep wounds conduit too!

[uneven wave]

between that and leggo rework, i can see them being pretty good in keys

[strong forum]

will defo be quite stronger

[dire kiln]

I almost have enough ashes for another max lvl leggo

[strong forum]

?

[uneven mason]

he forgot to /s

[dire kiln]

should I go for the wall or reprival?

[uneven mason]

what do you do more

[ornate sky]

i did a trole sorry

[uneven mason]

raiding, TW

[strong forum]

craft both at r2!

📈

[uneven mason]

☝️

400IQ answer

[strong forum]

then you can play the game without any backdraws

[dire kiln]

I have a feeling they're gonna shit on reprival before it makes into live servers

[strong forum]

i doubt it

tbh

[uneven mason]

I don't think so

[strong forum]

whats the point

of making this huge rework, to then actually not do it

[uneven mason]

Its not going to skyrocket us to raider.io frontpaage

[strong forum]

yuh

[uneven wave]

look at guardians, theyve been riding on the back of a single broken leggo since beta now

[uneven mason]

Its intended to "look" overpowered

[ornate sky]

surely unbreakable will is going to be nutty in raiding tho?

[strong forum]

no

its group wide

not raid wide

[uneven mason]

🤮

[ornate sky]

oh, phew

[uneven wave]

unbreakable will?

[ornate sky]

2 shield wall charges and PARTY gets 50% of the effect

[uneven wave]

o

[ornate sky]

if it was raid it would be insane but ye if party its meh

[strong forum]

if it was raid, pwar would be the single best tank in the game for raiding

by literal parsecs

[uneven wave]

I thought it only gave the 50% to like 2 other people?

[ornate sky]

all party members

its necrolord ability that gives to 2 other people

[strong forum]

youre confusing several things with each other there my guy

[uneven wave]

o

[ornate sky]

could still have some niches though

[strong forum]

mass spell reflect is 2 others with 200% duration
necro is 2 closest members
unbreakable will is entire party for 50% effectiveness

[uneven mason]

ehhhhhhhhh

[dusty warren]

For m+ if continue with leggo buff and recent buff would be good too right?

[ornate sky]

yes

[uneven mason]

The primary drawback of Unbreakable Will is the fact that it provides less uses of SW in an encounter than The Wall by an insane amount

Since the charges are consecutive and not simultaneous

[strong forum]

honestly

if you play UW + AM in raid

could be aight

but you lose out on rage

[uneven mason]

Its only 4 people tho in your group

[strong forum]

and youd need to use SW alot

[uneven mason]

I hope you got a crystal abll to know who is gonna get trucked

[strong forum]

ye thats the massive about it

assign soak groups

[uneven mason]

I mean I do

[ornate sky]

ye but things like soak groups & sludgefist

[strong forum]

be the ULTRA SIMP

UW+Necro

[uneven mason]

but any fight that the SW would be of use for the group

Is a fight I Need all the uses of SW myself

[strong forum]

yup

thats the big downside

[uneven mason]

<-- greedy fuck, I want to be able to SW twice during execute on sire

[strong forum]

its not good until you can wear 2 leggos

[ornate sky]

if you're both prot warriors tho 8-)

[uneven mason]

THen we have Safeguard

[strong forum]

playing support is bleh

not my style

[uneven mason]

I mean

they should nerf UW to 1/3 (15%)

make it raid wide

be another holy paladin

[strong forum]

thats broken and you know it 😄

[uneven mason]

we already have an amazing raid cd

I just wish it was available more often

[strong forum]

yo what if dps warri equips UW, do they get 1 charge of SW

[signal plover]

Am I the only one that absolutely fucking hates the idea of using SW, a rotational defensive CD, as a raid CD

[strong forum]

[uneven wave]

i mean.... DKs already have a magic version of that on a 2m cd

[signal plover]

Like fuckkkkk that

[uneven mason]

Not in the slightest

[uneven wave]

and they dont even need a leggo for it

[uneven mason]

My healers hate me because I use RC as a personal CD

👍

[signal plover]

Ok well that I can understand

Lol

[amber herald]

which one?

[signal plover]

Rally big huge unreal

[strong forum]

i use mine yolo, when i see several people dropping low

[uneven mason]

Yeah that better describes its use

[signal plover]

I let our heal lead assign mine

[uneven mason]

I'm starting to plan out cookie uses

[signal plover]

That's as simpy as I'll get

[uneven mason]

so since cookies are %

I use RC as a healing CD

[signal plover]

Well cept for kleia

[chilly brook]

My rally's are assigned now

My smooth brain cant handle it

[uneven mason]

like "Use your cookies for this boulder of damage"

[distant kestrel]

gonna try go prot warr for 9.0.5 - i dont wanna change covenants (currently NF cos i main dps) what lego should I make?

[uneven mason]

and I make the cookies 26% better

[uneven wave]

@amber herald i believe its called rage of the furry yiffers

[signal plover]

Raid or m+ @distant kestrel ?

[uneven mason]

What are you going todo?

[distant kestrel]

m+

[uneven mason]

Reprisal

[signal plover]

Prolly make reprisal

[ornate sky]

save ash until ptr release, but reprisal if it stays as is

[uneven mason]

if its not nerfed (won't be)

[distant kestrel]

dope tyy - any huge dif between NF and kirian for prot?

[signal plover]

Def wait til reprisal goes live tho

[uneven wave]

too late, already made a 235 reprisal

[rugged finch]

XD

[signal plover]

NF is slightly bigger dam, Kyrian has phial

Both totes ok

[sour hill]

Kyrian has more utility of phial and tethering mobs to the sphere

[devout pike]

ayo guys for mythic council, do you really have to kill nicklaus third

[uneven mason]

"have to" no

[devout pike]

everyone said that for ehroic but we did frieda third was free

[weak spindle]

Found it easier doing him third.

[uneven mason]

Yeah Frieda 3rd on heroic is free loot

[devout pike]

cause these waiters add are cancer

[uneven mason]

howmany NL DKs do you have?

[weak spindle]

On mythic

[devout pike]

2

[frail wyvern]

are people thinking legs or boots for Reprisal lego? Wanna get in before prices for R4 shoot up

[uneven mason]

get more

[ornate sky]

of boomins?

[uneven mason]

you want like 2boomkin 3 UDK

[signal plover]

Nik last on mythic is basically free if you have 2 competent tanks

[weak spindle]

Tell your dps to stop being apes and swap

[devout pike]

3 boomies and 1 resto druid that can convoke

[uneven mason]

should explode

[devout pike]

lul

[weak spindle]

And make sure you dont spawn one as your transition.

[uneven mason]

wtf are your boomkin doing?

[weak spindle]

Or your fucked

[devout pike]

well, they dont have convoke every fucking adds spawn

[signal plover]

Boomkins handle waiters until 50-0 nik

[weak spindle]

Spawning one as niklas is the dps target really nuked your dps uptime

[signal plover]

They don't need convoke

[uneven mason]

Like, 3 boomkin those adds shouldn't even finish a cast

[devout pike]

maybe

[signal plover]

Not to mention 2 DKs

[devout pike]

wish we have more dk for abomination

had*

[signal plover]

We did it with 2 boomies 1 dk

[devout pike]

dam

fat peepee right here

[primal shale]

I don't see the reprisal rework on Wowhead's patch notes. What is it becoming?

[signal plover]

More than likely the waiters aren't your actual problem

[uneven mason]

Sounds like DPS are apes

[signal plover]

It's usually recital and target swaps

[devout pike]

yeah maybe

oh well, will keep nicklaus third i guess

[signal plover]

Attendant slow deaths is what causes like 75% of prog wipes

[devout pike]

what does frieda third does in last phase

[uneven mason]

makes poop

[devout pike]

same as heroic?

[uneven mason]

and a chain attack on the tank that will blitz the fuck out of your raid

and..

[weak spindle]

We killed it with lock and boomie sorting smallies and even then they only dotted and starfall and zerged boss

[weak spindle]

Our issues on our prog was slow killed in last phase

Once we benched a ranged and brought more swap friendly melee in they fell over.

[devout pike]

the good ol bench

[signal plover]

Attendants or waiters?

[weak spindle]

Attendents

[signal plover]

Yeh

[weak spindle]

Waiters we slow killed with boomie and affi lock

[signal plover]

Interesting that a swap to melee resolved that

[weak spindle]

Less ramp classes

[signal plover]

Was it an afflock

[ornate sky]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=335718/reprisal

[primal shale]

Thanks!

[uneven mason]

yeah affliction and boomkin are beastly at handling the adds.

[weak spindle]

Our hunters was slacking first night and we had me tanking(offtank) ended having our maintank back as he was absent first night. Benched a shadow priest for me to play fury and our add damage was fixed

Since as fury i had no downtime with 100% enrage bts. Came 4th overall on adds.

Only lost to our better hunters

Boomkins can do alot to both the waiters and attendents. Our boomie had it in his mind in phase 3 he just did waiters and ignored boss and attendents. After roasting him after comparing logs his damage on waiters fell a little but his boss and attendent damage was significantly higher

If your struggling on attendents there is a nice weak aura that calls them spawning and puts a big box on their hp frame so you cant miss them

[uneven mason]

That helps a ton

all your ranged should swap and just burn hard before they can get the shield off.

saves time

[weak spindle]

I found it super useful as it can get chaotic at end with them spawning twice as fast and the dks auto gripping with slappy hands. Many health bars they can blend in

[timber nest]

multiple 3% artificer wipes last night 😦 feels bad man

[astral crystal]

Awful order, do nik last

[copper venture]

about to build my first prot lego - should i go with signet? 😄

[uneven mason]

wat

[weak spindle]

Do you intend to raid?

[devout pike]

will do

[copper venture]

most likely no raiding, i want to offspec as dps too

[astral crystal]

Assuming that’s mythic btw

[weak spindle]

If your gonna raid build the wall. If not get the demoshout one

[astral crystal]

Heroic you can yolo

[weak spindle]

Just build a 190 one then do a 190 dps one next week

[solemn magnet]

Build 2 leggos for 2 different things?

[copper venture]

choreghast is the worst

[weak spindle]

It's not bad as prot

Quite enjoyed twisting layers fully built as prot. Pull entire floor or at least form start to end what still remains agro. Stack all the damage %s (demo.booming,leap)and pop them with mawrats. Quite amusing watching everything vanish

[uneven mason]

I'd never suggest yoloing so hard you get stavros last.

[brave jetty]

The PTR changes are a 10% buff to all skills + a slightly bigger buff for TC, is that right?

[weak spindle]

Yep

[uneven mason]

Yes

TC now at least does more damage than an auto attack, (but not a devastator buffed auto attack)

[brave jetty]

That's a welcome change, dang

[weak spindle]

Wondering how filthy warrors will become with thunderclap build and reprisal.

[brave jetty]

I was beginning to think Reprisal buff was going to be their way to balance us

But if it's both I'll be pretty pleased

[uneven mason]

Seeing as TC is still a feather duster for damage

[weak spindle]

More free rage. Free revenges and free shield blocks.

[uneven mason]

It doesn't really address any of the core issues we had though, defensively we don't need balancing.
DPS we need balancing.

[signal plover]

TC "build"
https://c.tenor.com/I7iswCYiiXYAAAAM/gagging-gag.gif

[uneven mason]

Yeah I gagged a little

TC is still going to be your lowest priority button

and UF won't change that

[weak spindle]

I mean reprisal makes us much better for active mitigation which is always amazing

[uneven mason]

buffing TC By 30%, will literally put it, damage wise, on par with revenge after this buff.

[signal plover]

Yeah but why would you NOT run ravager

[weak spindle]

Spending less rage on block means more revenges/ignores

[brave jetty]

Reprisal isn't just defensive though

[weak spindle]

Aye its both.

I think it looks fucking well good

[brave jetty]

I mean I don't know if the offensive aspects of it via free rage are better than what we get out of, say, Thundergod's, but still

[sweet summit]

cos ill be running UF

[uneven mason]

I hardly use IP and pump revenge non stop during pulls and my damage is still lackluster compared to my cotank in dungeons

[signal plover]

Erga no

Don't go

[uneven mason]

Erga that isn't being a rebel

[sweet summit]

erga yes

[weak spindle]

Even more revenge

[uneven mason]

that's going full flipperhanded monkey

Don't ever go full flipperhand

[weak spindle]

I do wonder if buff banner boys will be nice in m+

[lunar pewter]

Is it really that bad? I want to come back to ally on my warr, I thought it wont be that much diffrent if you just play with ppl at decent rio

[sweet summit]

bsc+uf+am+reprisal+SoF

[weak spindle]

Boosting those combusts and conwokes

[uneven mason]

If you run a crew that includes a Boomkin

[brave jetty]

You definitely see Warrior discrimination in LFG

[uneven mason]

How are you going to make use of BSC when you're too busy pressing Thundercrap?

[sweet summit]

press revenge

[brave jetty]

But it's not everything

[sweet summit]

[uneven mason]

But you're pressing Thundercrap

because of UF

[mighty cairn]

are there any melee dps that benefit from big mastery cd besides uhdk?

[weak spindle]

Queuing as a 1400 warrior and 1550 hunter for 14s and getting declined.