protection

[sturdy sable]

I'd rather be able to pump with it than have another builder

[inland garnet]

so If I could recap: I should use Revenge over IP over Condemn(never) in AoE, Condemn over IP on ST, and a bit less IP and a bit more Revenge (I currently spent rage on it outside free procs, but rarely)?

[sturdy sable]

Naw the revenge in aoe only applys to whether you'd hit condemn over anything else offensively in aoe

IP still has prio if your "in danger" in aoe as revenge is only damage and threat

In ST you can safely use condemn over IP unless your trying to soak a major hit

[inland garnet]

👍

[sturdy sable]

Prots whole nuance is knowing when you can revenge over IP and vise versa

And obviously abusing block and spell reflect

[signal plover]

yeah i think you'll see good results with that

[wanton condor]

execute is more rage efficient at 1-2, condemn I'm not sure on due to the whole not physical damage issue I think?

but as a rule of thumb, 3+ revenge

BSC makes it 2+ revenge even

[median tulip]

It's often worth using Condemn even if you have several mobs, IF one is a priority target (i.e. a Caster) that need to die.

[wanton condor]

if you already have solid aggro sure

basically has aggro, don't need IP, need one dude dead, go for it

[sturdy sable]

Y'all see those 4% thunderclap buffs

Damage fixed

[signal plover]

kek

[sturdy sable]

So small you might not even see it

[signal plover]

blizz needs some cajones to buff our SS by like 30%

[wanton condor]

four point 2 percentage points thank you very much

[sturdy sable]

Lmao

[brazen path]

prot is saved!

[sturdy sable]

Or like

Give us rend and let us spread it

Kek

[wanton condor]

I really liked the idea above of letting Revenge! procs work on execute

although you'd probably want to move it from a defensive ppm to just on autos

[slim pier]

did they just buff thunder clap damage

lmao

[sturdy sable]

Wooop

[wanton condor]

when I read "eagletalon" for a moment I was excited that they'd finally be taking on Survival but lolno

[slender idol]

4% tclap damage, we going to be topping tank dps now

[sick sentinel]

10 pc buff

[obtuse prism]

wait for real? cuz i can barely see tc on my meters :(

[vestal moat]

It's better than nothing

im not complaining

[obtuse prism]

I'd have loved a cd reduction or at least nicer scaling with haste

[sick sentinel]

At least they are looking at the class and this one is not on a borrowed power. Hope it's just the beginning...

[obtuse prism]

from your keyboard to the devs ears

[deft sapphire]

its actually a 10% damage buff to thunder clap

still kind of shitty though

[deep steppe]

atleast its something

[gentle notch]

Does that make it competitive with revenge?

[stone knoll]

any M+ regulars feel like advising on a leggo based on personal experience? torn between the wall or the thunderlord leggo

i've read the guides and wanna go with thunderlord but i see a fair bit of high ranked prot warriors go with the wall

[outer spoke]

Wait till 9.0.5

Reprisal will be the new leggo

[stone knoll]

i'm capped on soul ash lol

need to make something

[cloud gorge]

10% aura buff 👀

[wanton condor]

revenge is 63, this is now 46.2

so on a gcd basis no

[deep steppe]

i....

[outer spoke]

Craft the Wall its good for raiding and will be good

[deep steppe]

what does this mean

help me im dumb

[cloud gorge]

damage of all prot warrior abilities increased by 10%

[deep steppe]

👀

[torn gust]

🍆

[spice fox]

Woot buff

[umbral cave]

That’s fantastic

[finite gull]

That ontop of the reprisal change making prot war look more juicy

[outer spoke]

Blizzard activating Warris Beastmode back? 😂

[patent zealot]

Slowly but surely

[vestal moat]

I am pleased.

[robust surge]

giv unnerfed reprisal and we cookin

[dense flame]

i think m+ is gonna be better

soon

❤️

big dick revenges

[barren socket]

God I hope they don't nerf reprisal in the last minute

[mystic ridge]

Oh man damage

[torn gust]

thank god i kept my warrior geared

[dense flame]

just another 10% more modifier to go

then we fucking pumping

[solemn magnet]

the tc buff is like a bait to not make repirsal

[waxen ice]

but I wonder there are 2 of these for the effects

[patent zealot]

Pretty sure prot needs a good 50% buff to do as much dmg as prot pallies

[solemn magnet]

the 2nd is periodic dmg

[barren socket]

so, you guys will be rolling necrolord if the buff passes as it is right now?

[open bluff]

goal shouldn't be to catch up to the outlier, but to be on par with the mid-tier options

[patent zealot]

The goal should be to be OP af

Solo raid bosses and shit

[patent osprey]

:OOOOO prot war buffssSSSS Exciting

[austere stream]

How relevant is the pinned cheat sheet? I see that it was posted in January, and I don't know about any changes that might have happened since then.

[deep steppe]

Nope

[dense flame]

I wanna go NF for AA once prog over

[patent osprey]

AA is so pog

makes any dangerous caster pack in m+ easy for 12 seconds

[hexed rune]

I'm still deciding between NF and Necro. Necro seems like you'll have to change your play around your team mates to make work

[dense flame]

hell yeah! can play fury NF raid. M+ prot NF!

[hexed rune]

NF is still the safer generally better option compared to necro I think

[uneven slate]

did prot warr get a 10% aura buff or am i reading patch notes wrong

[solemn magnet]

I'm switching to NF

[cloud gorge]

you are reading the patch notes right @uneven slate

[uneven slate]

wow that's awesome then!

[waxen cradle]

Yeah finally a small damage boost, not a huge buff, but ANY buffs to our damage I will take

[finite salmon]

Why the sudden NF love?

Just sick of being Kyrian?

[red wave]

People love the damage/CC of AA. Mostly the damage.

I personally just betrayed to NL in prep of 9.0.5 - I run high teens with a ret/moonkin so it should be sexy AF burst windows.

[solemn magnet]

I'm waiting to finish KSM to switch. I don't wanna have baby soul binds for it

[strange lintel]

is there any reason to use wirldwind as prot

[sweet summit]

No

[strange lintel]

what about condemn

i guess single target bosses?

[solemn magnet]

Single target anything

[green cradle]

Tryna buy my thunderlord legendary piece, but all the top people are wearing the wall. What's the best slot for thunderlords?

[solemn magnet]

Feet?

[green cradle]

Thanks!

[strange lintel]

so condemn is actually worth using in any single target situations

been kinda just ignoring it lol

[solemn magnet]

Defo worth using.

[neon orchid]

Is venthir the best cov for general use?

Like if you plan on gearing while tanking in m+ and dps in raids

[solemn magnet]

I'd say kyrian or NF would be better general use, but you can do all the content with any covenant.

[fickle hazel]

does anyone have insight on whether or not be be running bolster vs anger management for H-denathrius?

[fallow beacon]

I've run AM for every kill iirc.

Don't really need bolster for phase two with how much downtime there is on the sword doing impale/massacre

[fickle hazel]

i have been too~sub minute cd for shieldwall is nice

[fallow beacon]

I only ever run bolster on fights where you are constantly tanking i.e. huntsman or council

[sick sentinel]

whats the new aura?

just like deep wounds for arms?

[hexed rune]

It's a passive damage increase I believe

[wanton condor]

yeah, all damage is now 10% higher

aura buffs are just the backend multiplier for the spec

so they don't need to update every single thing

[sick sentinel]

wow nice

thunderlords UF thunderclap time?

[wanton condor]

nah

reprisal for m+

[red wave]

Yea if people don't understand just how insanely good Reprisal is going to be if it hits live as is in PTR, they really don't understand how good SBlock is

[fallow beacon]

Am I blind or is spear of bastion not included in the 10% aura list

AA and condemn are there but can't see spear

Nvm I'm just blind, its there

[solemn magnet]

It's never UF time

[wanton condor]

"if you want to facetank never die, go protwar" seems like a decent pitch now

got some actual AOE damage, unlimited 30% mit

like it's a bit annoying that it's going to be so stupid good for m+ we never touch another one again unless you're curbstomping with Seismic (which will be fun as well)

so thunderlords is going to drop off the face of the earth

[sick sentinel]

There’s about 2 seconds of downtime without shield block. Is it the more available rage of ignore pain that make it really good?

(Reprisal)

[red wave]

Do you mean currently?

[sick sentinel]

yeah currently

with PTR reprisal most likely 100% shield block uptime

+extra rage for ignore pain

[red wave]

I'm unsure where you're getting 2 seconds, but yea with Reprisal we'll have 100% uptime if we choose

[floral pewter]

Shield Block has 50%ish uptime on live. Reprisal is good because 100% uptime is a lot more than 50%

[sick sentinel]

Probably exagerrated

[red wave]

We're just over 50% using on CD

Yea, by a shit ton haha

[sick sentinel]

LOl

[floral pewter]

Extra rage and revenge procs are nice too, but it's the block uptime that makes it obviously BiS

[sick sentinel]

just tested it

it was 2 seconds when you have 2 charges to start with

[floral pewter]

2 seconds before you get one charge back?

[sick sentinel]

4 actually

[floral pewter]

Less with haste

But yeah, if you only have to tank for ~20 seconds, you can have nearly full SB uptime

[red wave]

Even at a super high haste level, it's 10 sec p er recharge, so 20 sec for 12 seconds of SB

[torpid moon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321236/patch-9-0-5-ptr-class-hotfixes-for-march-3rd-protection-warrior-aura-buff

did we see tyhis?

[red wave]

Many times yep

[floral pewter]

With Bolster, you can get up to 40ish seconds

[sick sentinel]

just noticed that shield block can be cast 2 times in a row without messing up the duration

I always just timed it whenever it was about to end

does shield block work if it's a ranged unit at melee range?

[floral pewter]

I doubt it cares about distance

[mossy peak]

it'd be the classification of the ability

[floral pewter]

The tooltip says "melee attacks", but I'm not sure if it will still give 100% block chance to ranged blockable attacks

[mossy peak]

i'm not sure either, but whichever the result, it would be that ranged attacks would be considered blockable, not that ranged attacks become melee ones when they're closer

[slow warren]

they changed it in bfa so that you could block ranged physical attacks

[cloud gorge]

yea they changed it in like 8.1 but never updated the tooltip

of shield block

[slow warren]

prot had paper defenses and got shrekt by rock throws and arrow shots

imagine not being able to block a rock or arrow with your shield

[floral pewter]

They're definitely blockable, just wasn't sure if the tooltip was literal

Or whether you'd be at 100% melee block and 32% ranged block or something

[cloud gorge]

shield block just straight up increases your block chance to 100% so it blocks all blockable ranged stuff as well

prot warrior would've gotten destroyed by jaina if it wasn't like that

[floral pewter]

What's everyone's guess at 9.0.5 release date? I'm getting pretty hyped about it

[sick sentinel]

march 16

[cerulean pebble]

Mine is either next week or the week after. The patch does have changes to the weekly renown quests once you hit the hard cap (at least for now) and that is next week. So expect a release build in the coming week or so.

[floral pewter]

The 16th would be the first week we overcap renown, so that would make sense

[wanton condor]

That's my guess

[sterile moss]

lol I bought 235 shadowghast legs like three days ago for 22k. All the legs on the AH now are 65k+

whoever did this also did it for the 210s and the 225s

It pays to plan ahead

[wanton condor]

Lol nice

[grizzled nova]

jesus a 10% aura buff for damage and healing and tclap gets another 10%

[iron void]

Could these buffs probably be preceding a Reprisal nerf?

[safe pier]

These damage buffs don’t make us any more tanky, a little more rage and some extra threat. Can’t see why this would indicate a nerf to the SB component of Reprisal anyway.

[cinder abyss]

Reprisal will be OP in dungeons

[strong forum]

Won't be enough

It's a good start, but not enough

we needed a 20-30% aura buff to compete with other tanks

[torpid cliff]

TC will get an additional 5% wont it

Last night in a 15 TOP i lost aggro all the time (at the start of the pulls) when the dps go mental.
Even on bosses..
I mean I like when the dps go blasting, but having to spam revenge when im already starving for rage for SB and IP feels bad

[strong forum]

I've never had any aggro issues so idk

[jagged pier]

^^

BUT BUFFFF https://giphy.com/gifs/emote-catjam-jpbnoe3UIa8TU8LM13

can jam again now

[strong forum]

Only issues arise when I don't have a single CD ready and mage has combust, and that's on me for using my shit stupidly

[jagged pier]

☝️

and im a mongo so happens all the time

also tho did come across a mage yesterday in a 17 mists that left because we werent hitting the first boss even tho he was at 5%, but he had the 80% DR

🤔

something tells me trying to push into 17s is gunna suck and be even more toxic than 16s

[torpid cliff]

tbf im probably playing incorrectly. Only started playing warrior in SL.
The times i lost aggro was when the mage used combust on pull..

[sand condor]

WAIT

Did we get buffed

On ptr?!

[jagged pier]

we are getting buffed

[sand condor]

We still aint dh’s

But whatever ill be a prot warrior again full time

[strong forum]

We're still gonna do the least amount of dmg in ST

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

But atleast we will do slightly more in m+

[jagged pier]

well 10% takes my 4.6k to like 5k

ill take it

[strong forum]

Bit more cuz TC got double buffed

Not huge amounts more

[jagged pier]

please tell me UF build is still dead tho?

[strong forum]

Could potentially be undead

[jagged pier]

F

i like my rav button

[strong forum]

I do too

[jagged pier]

buffs might be nice, still need to fix base class ngl

[torpid cliff]

before SL i havent tanked since wrath. That super-tanky feeling is not coming back, is it?

[lavish oracle]

Wait, did we get a PTR buff?

[jagged pier]

eh? we are super tanky

arguably the tankiest tank

expect maybe bear

[lavish oracle]

I think bear is still the tankiest tank

Reprisal buff + 10% aura buff seems like maybe over kill

[sick sentinel]

Reprisal should go on legs, correct?

[strong forum]

Yes

[jagged pier]

yus

[sick sentinel]

Dope, thanks

[fresh belfry]

first time raiding as prot warrior last night. took as much damage on sludgefist mythic (or rather external healing required) as my 228 demonhunter, but with 10 less ilvls. felt actually good. just lacking like 2k dps now x d

anyway. any chance kyrian comes out of fashion soonish? kinda bored playing that on 5 characters

[serene stag]

Kyrian is pretty damn good for tanks due to the potion cleansing debuffs

[fresh belfry]

obviously, but doesnt work on any relevant raid encounters

(the single one)

[feral hamlet]

Is reprisal gonna be that good in raid?

Someone else has to get melee’d right

[fresh belfry]

its gonna proc on charge

[feral hamlet]

Oh cool

[fresh belfry]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=335718/reprisal

why put it on legs tho? because SLG legs dont have haste?

[ripe valve]

more stats ?

[fresh belfry]

well you gain more stats from 235 boots over 226 boots than you get from 235 pants over 233 pants

[late spruce]

So with this leggo and the auora

we will be ok in m+ as prot?

[fresh belfry]

like, i get it, if youre still progressing you want it on pants. but if you have access to SLG you should put it on boots

[ionic fern]

We are already ok in m+ as prot. 👀

Reprisal + the recent aura buff will obviously help tho.

[late spruce]

Prot is ok in m+ if you are a savant. With the amount of incoming magic damage, size of packs and kiting meta - prot is much harder to play then dh or monk

or even bear

[ionic fern]

1)Every tank struggles with magic damage - it can be fixed by a decent kick rotation/assigning
2)We can kite fairly easily with INtervene/Leap/Fear/AoE Stun
3)What does size of packs have to do with anything?

[vocal trellis]

One of the biggest problems as prot warr is the lack of dps compared to other tanks for high m+

[ionic fern]

From a defensive PoV we are solid.
From a offensive PoV we are horrible.

[fresh belfry]

1. except demonhunter who casually reduces like all of it without pressing fiery brand and even more with that

[late spruce]

3. with the falloff from TC beyond 5 targets keeping aggro up is harder then for a DH or Brew

[young glen]

The only thing I'm missing in m+ is deeps

[ionic fern]

I honestly have had 0 issues with aggro in big packs.

[late spruce]

Maybe you are the savant then 😉

[fresh belfry]

keg smash and even elysian decree have the same fall off

[late spruce]

but have you tried brew / dh?

I have

it is much easier

[fresh belfry]

yeah that goes back to warrior not dealing any damage but not the size of the pack

[late spruce]

both 1 and 3 is easier to manage as brew/dh then prot

that is why my prot warrior is doing pvp

as arms

[fresh belfry]

DH is obviously busted in current m+

doesnt mean prot warrior isnt viable or something

[ionic fern]

Sure, VDH is easier to execute.
Prot Warrior just has a high skill floor without any real benefit to it unfortunately.
But it's by no means bad in m+.

[fresh belfry]

and brm arguably is a glasscannon

[young glen]

Life got way easier with scale yesterday 😄

[ionic fern]

Like this pull in De other Side...theres no issues with aggro. 👀 All you have to do is play your rotation correctly.

[late spruce]

and have a team of dps that don't go all out before you gathered

[fresh belfry]

ok but that pull is a joke because it has no casters

[ionic fern]

I mean..ofc..they are spread out. 🤔

[jagged pier]

i love that pull so much fun

[ionic fern]

This whole room is fun.

DO it in like 3 pulls.

😂

[crisp dragon]

Big pulls and no damage, they need to make more pulls alike

[jagged pier]

true very true all physical damage just sb and revenge

[jagged pier]

if your relying on TC to keep your aggro u aint gunna keep it revenge is our threat button

[crisp dragon]

U gotta charge in, revenge, regardless of your need to Shieldblock

[jagged pier]

i always SB first

[crisp dragon]

Of course

[jagged pier]

but then again i hardly ever press IP

[crisp dragon]

If you dont SB, you might just go pop

[ionic fern]

TC currently his like a wet noodle.
With the recent buffs it's going to be better tho.

[crisp dragon]

RECENT BUFFS?

[jagged pier]

5% better

well its biggeer as its based of AP

[fresh belfry]

:stonks:

[ionic fern]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321236/patch-9-0-5-ptr-class-hotfixes-for-march-3rd-protection-warrior-aura-buff?webhook

[young glen]

10% more damage it is?

[jagged pier]

so the most gear the more damage it does

mastery 📈

[young glen]

Isn't that going to change assuming you're playing reprisal for more overall mitigation when necessary?

[jagged pier]

i mean i generally just play round SB Ls and SW

[sand condor]

Yesterday i did a 16 mists and at most lost aggro on 1 mob

[crisp dragon]

So whats stat prio now? Still Haste > Vers > then now mast?

[jagged pier]

will no just play around sb and charge

[sand condor]

Then taunted it

[ionic fern]

On live TC is 889 for me and on PTR it's 1029

[sand condor]

And was fine

[jagged pier]

was a meme

just TC scales off AP

a bit higher

[crisp dragon]

Obviously, but if it scales higher

[jagged pier]

well its scale off 46% instead of 42%

[sand condor]

I wish TC hit like bfa

[crisp dragon]

TC every global was fun

[jagged pier]

no, no one wishes that

[ionic fern]

Ngl i enjoyed BfA playstyle. 😦

[sand condor]

Is Mastery or Crit your 3rd stat

[crisp dragon]

I think it did the same damage as Slam

[young glen]

I didn't

[sand condor]

Same

[crisp dragon]

I enjoyed 8.3

[sand condor]

I like Thor

Litterally

[crisp dragon]

I was literally a thunder god indeed

[ionic fern]

But i also enjoy current playstyle.
Tho maybe throw a Dragon Roar in the mix and align CD's a bit better.

[crisp dragon]

On some fights I have so many globals I need to use the first 10 seconds that isn't just Damage spells

[young glen]

I want DR so much

Because. Dragon goes rooooar.

Why would you not want that

😦

[sand condor]

Wait

Is dragon roar still dead?

[jagged pier]

always has been

[sand condor]

😦

[young glen]

It was fun for like a month on beta?

[jagged pier]

well it does sim like 1 dps higher on ST for me

🤷

[sand condor]

Look at how they massacred my boy

[ionic fern]

Dragon Roar is not as dead as it was before.
PRetty sure you can use it in some cases.

[sand condor]

I wish they made it strong again

[crisp dragon]

It does feel good to use an ability that does a lot of damage that isn't spear for kyrians, but it's an extra global vs. Booming

[remote dawn]

guys for M+ Kyrian or switch Necro? 9.0.5

[jagged pier]

still kyrian

[sand condor]

Venthyr?

.>

[jagged pier]

if revnge made our next ST spell hit upto 5 targets

yes

and revenge proc u could choose between revenge or execute

if thos happened

then yus

venthyr

[young glen]

That sounds like gladiator to me

All aboard

[jagged pier]

hell if they even gave us fury WW venthyr would become a lot more interesting in keys

still couldnt us it outside of condemn ranges but u could still cleave SS

[young glen]

Never ever would Blizzard give us that much fun

[crisp dragon]

You guys member that time in Legion where they buffed us to shits, I think it was early legion, that shit was hilarious, did more dps than the dps

[jagged pier]

i member MoP

that was much better

[sand condor]

Im actually having more and more fun as prot

[crisp dragon]

Prot is fun, with a bit more damage, and it will be REAL fun

[young glen]

I need more interesting raid mechanics first. I'm sort of getting bored in raid.

[uncut epoch]

You should look into the latest ptr changes ^^

[crisp dragon]

It has been a very much just taunt swap raid, cant remember a boss that isnt just that right now

[gaunt dawn]

Maybe tanking isnt for you

[lavish oracle]

I mean, Denathrius is really positioning heavy

[crisp dragon]

Can't speak much of him, not quite there yet

[fresh belfry]

slg prenerf was kinda too thrilling to tank

[lavish oracle]

I find myself doing a lot on Xymox, I don't think the tanks like technically need to do a lot but they have a lot of room to do stuff

[crisp dragon]

There are like 2 mechanics on Xymox'

[lavish oracle]

Helping with seeds, and clearing traps for prot, anyways

[young glen]

I quite like Denathrius

[fresh belfry]

i actually also enjoy sludgefist. its giga scripted and stationary. but minmaxing dps during pillars and mitigation outside is fun

[young glen]

It kinda makes up for stuff like Destroyer

[quick rock]

how are prot wars looking in next patch>?

[jagged pier]

i wish i could get to sludgefist, only 9% away

[lavish oracle]

Very good, Bullgrip

[wind surge]

Huntsman is a great fight

[quick rock]

comparable to a dh?

[lavish oracle]

Maybe

Hard to say

[fresh belfry]

unpoopular opinion

[lavish oracle]

Worse utility, more tanky

[young glen]

I just want that CE and then wait for 9.0.5 to see if reprisal makes it to live

[jagged pier]

i mean 9.0.5 comes this month

[ionic fern]

We are looking good in the next patch.
Reprisal will make us even beefier than we already are.
Our damage will still be behind other tanks tho.

[jagged pier]

and CE you can get till 9.1

[young glen]

I know. We're progressing on Dena atm

[lavish oracle]

You think? 10% is quite a lot

[young glen]

So I have my hopes up high :S

[jagged pier]

still be lowest on ST

[thick finch]

how is this prot warrior able to wield strom'kar in one hand and his tanking shield in the other?

[lavish oracle]

Oh, sure, ST

[gaunt dawn]

As a prot warrior?

👃

i smell a liar

legit worst tank for p3

[jagged pier]

probably a fury warrior

[young glen]

It's a decent fight?

[remote dawn]

look @ transmog chanel there is a bug and you can mog it

[fresh belfry]

you mean xmog? its an xmog bug

[thick finch]

holy fuck

that is dope

[remote dawn]

yep i laso mog it 😄

[thorny saddle]

i think thats the same xmog bug as the one monk uses to mog double staff?

[wind surge]

Think someone said it was bugged rn couldnt be done anymore

Havent tried tho

[remote dawn]

yep

[fresh belfry]

ashrbinger in the mainhand with a shield also very fine

[outer bronze]

in m+ or raid was this about? 👀

[jagged pier]

both, ive only really started pressing on mythic council since we started 4 healing during the jumps and at high stacks of riposte like 5 or more

you really dont need it tbh it gets eaten so fast

in 15s and 16s keys anyway

[fresh belfry]

if it gets eaten so fast maybe thats an argument for using it? 😄

[jagged pier]

not really cause IP will never actually save you

[outer bronze]

looking forward to trying prot in raid eventually

some point in 05 i guess

[fresh belfry]

how's tanking the 2nd ravage/massacre/shatteredpain wombo-combo in denathrius p3 as prot warrior?

like, compared to my DH who can just facetank the massacres

[gaunt dawn]

the actual combo is whatever

charge/leap

the massacre, pretty confident DH cant face tank em

😄

[fresh belfry]

yeah

you can

i mean not all

[gaunt dawn]

the ravage sure

massacre idk

[fresh belfry]

but you can take 2 massacre hits they hit for 30k and you have 120k hp in meta

its ridiculous

[gaunt dawn]

i mean they hit for 123k

but sure

[fresh belfry]

lemme show you

[gaunt dawn]

😦

[fresh belfry]

yeah 123k unmitigated

ok cant find the log where it hit me for 30k but whenever i take one on purpose it hits for 60k max

[outer bronze]

why would you take avoidable damage on purpose

[gaunt dawn]

could be proc'd cheat death

[sand condor]

prot in riad

is actualyl good

[gaunt dawn]

if using sun king trinket

proc'd 2 of em

😄

[sand condor]

like if i can perform well on it on bosses i've tanked once

then if you actually play prot its probably good

(then again i am playing venthyr)

[fresh belfry]

because depending on how massacres spawn during shattered pain you really wanna stay in meleerange of the boss otherwise he will teleport in the splitsecond before knocking back the raid and that can throw people off the platform

[gaunt dawn]

you run through the boss and stay there for a bit

[fresh belfry]

so you take one for the team basically

[gaunt dawn]

and move within melee range

to a safe spot

[outer bronze]

ive done denny on mythic, theres never a reason to get hit by massacre

[gaunt dawn]

if you're really really struggling

[outer bronze]

not as prot war but same stuff

[gaunt dawn]

get a paladin to taunt

they're immune to everything

[fresh belfry]

i dont struggle

ive killed it oftene nough without ever proccing one of my 2 cheat death its fine

i was just curious how it is a warrior

[sand condor]

wwait

2 cheat deaths?

are you...

[fresh belfry]

DH

[sand condor]

[lunar perch]

[gaunt dawn]

Depending on the gear situ on your DH, you'd be mitigating up to 40% of it just from being a DH

Vicious Ink, Tatoos, Vers

[fresh belfry]

yep

[gaunt dawn]

with the silly HP in meta, yeah, you wouldnt proc from 1

madness

every other tank just flops

😄

[fresh belfry]

yep

so

even though i technically never have to take a massacre

[gaunt dawn]

you gotta learn the mechanic now bud xoxo

[fresh belfry]

i just dont care

[gaunt dawn]

unfortunate

bad rng 😦

these are the things you'll be saying

[outer bronze]

lol weird stance to take

[gaunt dawn]

but honestly, a CR used there is fine

[trail mauve]

Hey, ive got a question. Should i go for memory of the wall or memory of an Unbreakable Will?

[fresh belfry]

ok "just dont care" i had to find a log where I actually take one. its not like i run into them on purpose

[gaunt dawn]

honestly, the "better" play is to just eat the ravage (in comparison to the massacre)

its 61k unmit

if you cant find a spot

🙂

for when you get about to it

on warrior

obviously, best play is to...u kno do it properly

if somehow you've still got a healthstone there

😎 eat it

[outer bronze]

is this hc or mythic ur talking abt @fresh belfry

[fresh belfry]

mythic obv

the combo doesnt exist in hc

[outer bronze]

so much better to take ravage and get knocked standing in it

that way you get knocked through massacre

and into correct position

[gaunt dawn]

nah

youd charge insta

into the boss

you dont want the risk of going into ranged

[outer bronze]

the knock isnt that big

[gaunt dawn]

if someone decided "I'M A NIGHT FAE I CAN BLINK"

[outer bronze]

ive done it as dru every time we reach that combo and hes never tp'd

[gaunt dawn]

i've been deleted from night faes and mages 😡

blinking insta

[fresh belfry]

can you spell reflect there or does the blood price come to short after?

[gaunt dawn]

better to reflect that out of the two

[outer bronze]

ye i mean if ranged are stupid and standing where melee should be what can u do

[gaunt dawn]

the price after has no overlap

you can IP ramp if needs be if you're active on the boss at the time

of the combo

as you wont be the active tank on price

live the combo, boss is dead 😎

[fresh belfry]

hehe

heard that one

good one

[gaunt dawn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

boss is on like 9% after the combo

[fresh belfry]

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yeah but what if this happens

[gaunt dawn]

bad rng 😦

we go agane

combo was still happening tho

so they didnt live it

😎

[fresh belfry]

oh

yeah right

[crisp dragon]

GO AGAANE

[torpid cliff]

Question: What is the consensus for MH enchant for M+? I dont do raids if that changes anything

[vocal trellis]

Celestial Guidance

[rich helm]

whats the exact change on the ptr today ? is it good ?

[fresh belfry]

10% dps increase and an extra 10% on thunderclap

[lusty ember]

So it's GOOD

Future looking bright with those buffs plus reprisal.

[tiny blade]

If nothing changes i guess reprisal is the new go-to for M+ in 9.0.5?

[sweet summit]

Yas

[rich helm]

will it be better in raids too ?

[near bridge]

Feels a bit clunky thinking of a legendary that requires intervene to activate.

[sweet summit]

No, youll still use the wall for raids

[quartz matrix]

+10% dmg overall or TC only ?

[ionic fern]

Well..you charge into most new packs anyways.

[sweet summit]

Both @quartz matrix

[hasty quest]

double time FTW

[quartz matrix]

Damn

[ionic fern]

I'm already rocking double time.

Uf/am/reprisal. Hmpf.

[sweet summit]

Ya was thinking about UF

[remote dawn]

so rispal and talents DT BSC and AM?

[sweet summit]

Tho probably still inferior to ravager i imagine

And kinda anti synergy with bsc

[sweet summit]

Ye

With show of force?

[sweet summit]

Aw

Was hoping tc could be top again :/

[ionic fern]

This was without am tho

[sweet summit]

👀

Im sold

[near bridge]

Charge and intervene is not the same anymore.

[rough needle]

holy shit if these changes go through prot wariror is gonna be fucking ridiculous

[sweet summit]

Well it works with charge too

[rough needle]

actually might be dh minus a bit of utility

[sweet summit]

Not just intervene

[ionic fern]

I know. But you get it by Charging as well.

.

[glossy wave]

How is the new necrolord ability ?

[jolly thistle]

With reprisal and AM it’s more like an 15% overall dmg buff compared to bolster rn

[ionic fern]

We will still be behind other top tanks from a damage pov.

[jolly thistle]

not sure on that tbh, at least compared to dh

[ionic fern]

It's a step in the right direction tho.

[rough needle]

i mean to those of us who have been playing m+ in the long darkness of 9.0

this is massive and prot isn't gonna be a meme anymore

won't be kneecapping teammates anymore

[outer bronze]

great for organised raid use, kyrian still better for average use

[rough needle]

necro is mandatory swap imo for m+

[sweet summit]

[ionic fern]

O.o

[sweet summit]

Hot take

[rough needle]

i mean other covenants work but necro will edge others

[jolly thistle]

not really. There aren’t a lot of specs that scale really good with mastery

[rough needle]

i play a lot with boomy and locks but 1200 team mastery is gonna beat spear dam for quite a few classes i imagine

[restive flax]

I think I'm reading the changes to TC wrong.. it doesnt root by default does it?!

[sweet summit]

No

[near bridge]

Apologies. I had no idea cause the tooltil only mentions intervene, not charge. 😀

[sweet summit]

The current one, yeah

The new tooltip mentions charge too

[jolly thistle]

If you run with a specific team that can benefit a lot from banner - go for it. @rough needle

[restive flax]

yeah I know the pvp talent, but that change is just listed under TC

[analog lantern]

Hey guys I have a question about builds for M+...how much benefit is there from going with the Thunderlord leggy and going with the Unstoppable force talent? To increase aoe damage for fortified weeks ofc

[sweet summit]

Currently you never play UF, even with thunderlord. You default to ravager in m+ and ItF in raid

[halcyon trench]

@ionic fern 9.0.5 do you think prot warrior will perform better than bdk? They are both my pref tanks but not sure which to play right now

[analog lantern]

OK on wowhead it implies that UF is an option

[sweet summit]

It is an option, its just not the best option

[analog lantern]

hence the question

[halcyon trench]

Adding my team is composed by boomie and mage fire..

[analog lantern]

even if you're trying to maximise aoe?

[sweet summit]

If you want max aoe damage, you can sim yourself and see

Iirc ItF would win

[analog lantern]

OK!

[median tulip]

So 10% extra damage to Warrior abilities overall, plus an extra 10% to Thunderclap is today's change?

[jagged pier]

well ptr change

[median tulip]

On PTR that is

[jagged pier]

yus

more damage

[median tulip]

If they keep this up Warrior might actually become fun again

[sweet summit]

What is fun

[crimson sentinel]

Extra dmg is fun

[fickle timber]

is this a thing?>?

[sweet summit]

Yes?

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321236/patch-9-0-5-ptr-class-hotfixes-for-march-3rd-protection-warrior-aura-buff?webhook

[fickle timber]

where is that post, i only saw lego changs

[sweet summit]

Right there

[fickle timber]

❤️

[median tulip]

I'm still waiting for them to pre-nerf it

Somehow

[sweet summit]

No touchy touchy 😠

[remote dawn]

😆

[median tulip]

I just don't believe that Blizz will give us Reprisal as it is on PTR

Even as I stack up Ash so I can get the Rank 4 the moment it goes live 😂

[remote dawn]

oh i think they give us but nerf it with 9.1

[fickle timber]

i dont know if i'd use reprisal

[sweet summit]

You would

[fickle timber]

unbreakable will and seismec reverb look like my kind of lego

[ionic fern]

o.o

[sweet summit]

Unbreakable is ???

[ionic fern]

Unbreakable is meh.

Seismic is OK but still suffers from the same issues as on live.

Reprisal is goooood.

[sweet summit]

Seismic is dps 📈

[fickle timber]

for M+ i dont know, a lot of fail dmg by party members lolol

[ionic fern]

Then fix the issue of "fail dmg" instead of trying to patch it.

[median tulip]

I mean, it's your game, but for M+ Reprisal will be the top legendary

[fickle timber]

so question about reprisal

does it cast revenge? or generate a free revenge

[sweet summit]

Gives you the Revenge! buff

[ionic fern]

Casts SB and generates "Revenge!" buff.

[fickle timber]

oh fuck

[sweet summit]

So a free revenge you need to cast

[fickle timber]

that fixes opener

[median tulip]

It generates a free Revenge! Prof buff

[ionic fern]

• the 40 rage.

[fickle timber]

wow

ok

well back to torghast it is

[sweet summit]

Its like 70 extra rage per charge/intervene

[fickle timber]

even without the xtra rage its god tier

[sweet summit]

📈

[fickle timber]

ok

[median tulip]

If you play it perfectly, using Charges and Intervenes on CD, it's effectively equivalent to 350 Rage per minute

[fickle timber]

but needed tbh

ive been playing with forgelight prime in 15s this week

that haste buff on pull is pretty good too

be fun to combo it out

what is the seismic reverb issue? Was curious to try blater tank out too

blaster~

[sweet summit]

No defensive value

[fickle timber]

yeah but i'd just run a bolster setup in a high burst cleave

keep fight durations short

[ionic fern]

You can 100% run this in any lower content.

On higher keys you can't just "Keep fight durations short".

[fickle timber]

to be specific im talking up to 15's

[ionic fern]

Jeah, 15's it's np.

[median tulip]

If they ever let us have 2 Legendaries at the same time, Reprisal + Seismic will be a top meme build

[sweet summit]

Signet+reprisal gang

[fickle timber]

i think for 15's seismec has potential in a fort week for example

[sweet summit]

Actually

Wait nvm :/

Or

Does seismic work with our whirlwind?

[fickle timber]

yeah

[median tulip]

Yes

[sweet summit]

Signet+sesmic+bonegrinder

Yes

Thats it

Whirlwind 📈

[fickle timber]

i like the idea of seismic, but you just need the right group setup

monk, warrior, DH?, pally/sham and dk

or fire mage

run bolster so you've got a 15 sec shield block up for rough pull

and grab the last stand endurance conduit

i need to ptr it next week since fuck M+ next week anyway

[echo egret]

Same dilemna again in HoA 17 fortified... if I don't pull big, we don't make the timer, and if I pull big, I die from spell damage...

[fickle timber]

what spell?

[echo egret]

in HoA, wicked bolt is the main culprit

2 casters is the maximum pugs can handle

[fickle timber]

i got to final boss yesteday with 6 minutes and we failed

15

because boomie and hpally refused to soak, boss at .01%, not 1%

[ionic fern]

With BSC/AM/UF/Reprisal i still got up to 85% SB uptime without INtervene. 😂

[fickle timber]

imagine.

depleting a 15 HOA 6t mins on final boss on a fort week

my soul is scorched

[echo egret]

yeah

[fickle timber]

never thought i'd time DoS before HoA

any time i make it past the second platform without group collapsing is a good DoS

im always promising if we make it past, i'll make up time in ardenweald

macrod right the fuck in

[echo egret]

I do 1st platform with hero, skip 2nd , do mask, then come back with my CDs up to 2nd platform

[fickle timber]

honestly

pog

lack of CDs is def the issue

[fallow beacon]

Does the conduit crash the ramparts (increased overpower damage on arms) do anything for prot? ive seen the occasional high io prot running it

[fickle timber]

no

[lofty widget]

nope

[fickle timber]

probably an offspec

[lofty widget]

probably an arms main

[blissful pebble]

Hakkar trinket works well on 2nd platform. Shadowcore cast on the death speaker is the killer. Once I have used up Spell reflect on one I get big distance and kite.

[sick sentinel]

I ´ve done that on close to 40 times for that trinket... and yet no luck

[fickle timber]

only got hakkar trinket yesterday

207 baby

[blissful pebble]

Mine is 207 keep hoping for a 226 but the 207 works adequately.

[grizzled nova]

The biggest problem is that people hero the first pack and blow all offensive CDs and then have none for the second.

You realistically need hero + 1 person to pop off on the first pack, have other two dps hold for second pack.

That, and no one kicks shadowcore in pugs.

[sweet summit]

[echo egret]

Totally

[blissful pebble]

Unless I trust the group if spell reflect is on CD I am 40 yds away 😛

[stray gazelle]

Did prot actually get a aura buff?

Blizz showing us some of that love

[jagged pier]

not really love that would be fixing the base class

[sweet summit]

Its a step in the right direction!

[sand condor]

wait

whirlwind prot

[stuck geyser]

does it matter if i craft thunderlord on feet or hands? stats are the same right?

[stray gazelle]

Yup feeling the value of investing into a prot war seems good

[sand condor]

why can't bonegrinder just work with revenge on prot 😦

[stray gazelle]

I’d craft feet personally

[sweet summit]

Feet got abit more of those juicy stats

[solar spear]

defensively, is ascended vigor the best weapon enchant?

[sweet summit]

Pls no it was meme

[sweet summit]

Celestial

[sand condor]

but..bonegrinder

[solar spear]

alright thanks erga

[sweet summit]

Ya i wanna try signet bonegrinder as prot

[sand condor]

prot signet is amazing fun

[topaz flicker]

Hey guys! I've been a dps warr this expansion and just got wind of one of our main tanks taking a break. So Im gonna hop on as a new MT, we are currently 6/10 mythic, progressing on council. I havent tanked that much previously, how would you recommend getting used to it? Best crash course advice etc? 🙂 Thanks in advance!

[lime urchin]

Charge into battle, bang head on keyboard, loot.

Rinse and repeat

Worked for me since Cata

[topaz flicker]

Perfect, just as I suspected!

[fresh belfry]

dont die

[sweet summit]

Do keys as prot

Pug hc as prot

Get used to the spec and basic raid mechanics

[jovial zodiac]

^

[sweet summit]

If you log your runs you can link them here and we can give more direct feedback

[jagged pier]

☝️

[solar spear]

also read icy veins/wowhead guides if youre confused on anything

[jagged pier]

Griff also did a good video of himself doing a dungeon where he talks through what hes thinking and doing

if you dont want to read

[quick swan]

thoughts on warrior changes for prot ?

is it enough to swing the scales

[remote hawk]

Did not really understand what they did, was it a flat 10% dmg buff overall and 10% for our dots?

[sweet summit]

With the reprisal change, and the damage buffs? Very solid

[next pelican]

10% aura buff is 10% on everything

also on healing iirc so ignore pain

[remote hawk]

Sounds kinda nice!

[sweet summit]

It was 10% extra AP scaling on TC, and a flat 10% to all abilities

Does not increase auto attack damage

Or trinkets/pot/oil etc

[remote hawk]

Aight ty for the clarification

[quick swan]

fingers crossed it goes live

[sweet summit]

🤞

[quick swan]

warrior did not deserve the massive nerf

losing the borrowed power was enough imho

[next pelican]

tcap build was too good

[sweet summit]

Eh

Yeah, i disagree with the rework too :/

BFA prot felt amazing

[quick swan]

losing the massive versa and the essences that enabled perma avatar was enough

without that they were just solid

[sweet summit]

Yeah i dont think prot wouldve been that insane if we had azerite traits as bad as bdk

Guess we just won the borrowed power lottery 🤷

[quick swan]

you cant label "class synergy " as broken

nerfing talents was too far

[sweet summit]

It is what it is

[quick swan]

true that

[smoky wave]

y'know, mostly at the moment I miss the ranged interrupt (I'll be damned if I can remember what it was called)

[sweet summit]

Prot had a ranged interrupt??

[smoky wave]

yeah, on hc throw, ever 30s hc throw would interrupt

[sweet summit]

Oh right the glyph

Ive heard stories

[smoky wave]

actually did a dungeon where I didn't tank, prot pala spent the entire time calling interrupts and telling me not to worry about it, the bastard 😅

[quick swan]

ahwell leveling my prot warrior from 50 getting it ready , cause fuck monk ww is gonna die , along with brew being no where near as fun as warrioer

next raid is the rise of the barbs

[sweet summit]

"Bugfix" btw 🤡

[quick swan]

XDXD

[sweet summit]

More bugs

Love WW

Bugfree spec

[smoky wave]

""Your Pummel and Heroic Throw also silence the target for 3 sec. Does not work against players. This effect can only occur once every 15 sec." - gag order. thems were the days.

[quick swan]

fury is gonna scale well so ill be happy with that as offspec

[sweet summit]

No, sir

Fury does not scale any greater than other specs do

[wanton condor]

scaling is fake

[sweet summit]

It is all thanks to buffs and borrowed power

[wanton condor]

too much stuff gets changed between tiers

[sweet summit]

Perhaps even fight designs that favour fury over other specs

[wanton condor]

if it wasn't fake, fury does actually scale pretty well

you have a solid positive feedback loop on haste which also increases the value of mastery

just flat crit scaling for the most part

like if you locked the specs in stone WW would eventually fall off as haste mostly just decreases its downtime rather than increasing output at 1:1 like a normal GCD class

but given that they add way more stuff each patch and futz with specs, scaling between patches hardly ever matters

[finite elk]

I know theres been a lot said around Necro for prot in raid in 9.0.5, but is it gunna be worth going over Kyrian in M+ with the changes?

[jagged pier]

unless you have a very coordinated group no not realy

[wanton condor]

Do you value another defensive over the pot? And do you run with a premade that benefits from mastery every 2min?

[solemn magnet]

If you don't have a consistent group that can utilize it properly, prolly not

[wanton condor]

that said, probably makes getting a fire mage and boomie to run with you easy

just sidle to them in the queue "hey baby, I know you want that mastery only I can give you"

[sweet summit]

60k per banner

Pay up

[finite elk]

you just banner after you see convoke finish right?

kapp

[sweet summit]

👀

[fickle timber]

It makes it a viable option, not an optimal one unless you run a comp around it

But necrolord, with seismic reverb and a blaster group would be interesting to see

[random dock]

I saw that the current PTR version is a "release candidate", does that mean the new Reprisal is here to stay

[shut summit]

most likely

[fickle timber]

Already bought all my legos

[random dock]

Awesome

[fickle timber]

Bought all the way up to 235 for reprisal and unbreakable will

Rotate based on affixes/content

[solemn ferry]

And the seismic thingy?

[jagged pier]

u never run UW unless we can run 2 leggos otherwise its trash

[fickle timber]

Extra charge of shield wall and group benefit, I can see it working

[smoky wave]

Aye, seems poor atm. Sense is more optimistic than I am about reprisal, I'm expecting a last minute nerf. Removing sb or the rage component.

The wall let's you use sw more often, and it's party only not raid so meh

[fickle timber]

1.4 min CD running AM

Super useful

[jagged pier]

min with AM

1.5 min with bolster

[sweet summit]

UW works, but there are better legos to use for sure

[fickle timber]

My plan is to rotate based on affixes for M+

[jagged pier]

which is why its only good when u can run the wall as well

u will get so much more benfit out of repirsal or the wall

compared to UW

in any m+ with any affix

[fickle timber]

On a tyran week, I could see UW value

Esp on a melee cleave

The changes might allow for more combinations with other peoples leggos

[sweet summit]

Im trying to think of a dungeon id run UW but i cant

[fickle timber]

DoS?

[jagged pier]

you get more out the wall in DoS

[sweet summit]

For one boss?

[smoky wave]

Soemwhere with party wide damage where you don't need sw yourself for anything? Can't think of any.

[sweet summit]

Not worth unless you knlw you cant do it without UW and that youll be fine without reprisal/the wall

[fickle timber]

Yeah I will say I’ve warmed up to the wall a lot

Finally switched from thunder

Rage so good lol

I’ve been running hammer of genesis all week and it’s been going well. Groups burn adds so quick it’s like a perm 15% haste buff

Bron has had a few pog moments too

[split needle]

I sometimes find rage-staving an issue even with the wall, having to conserve gcd-spenders and wait for SB

In a raidsetting that is

[jagged pier]

your spamming to much

[open monolith]

10% aura buff 😮 that should bring us a bit in line

[split needle]

might be, mostly play fury so I always get stressed when waiting

[jagged pier]

well if you used to playing fury u probably are spamming to much

just wait abit and make sure u never go under 30 rage

[split needle]

Sound advice, thanks

[jagged pier]

also i just spam my SS key like all the time even without it proccing etc just means u kind of ignore the empty gcds if u spamm to much

just press a button that aint gunna do anything

like back in day when deva came in i moved SS to my devastate button as well so if i pressed devastate out of muscle memory i would press SS XD

[split needle]

Yeah, last time i played dedicated prot I remember spamming deva and sundering before that

[open monolith]

okay so 10% aura buff and reprisal legendary end up going live, I think I might go back to tanking 😮

[fresh belfry]

I wish the necrolord rework was a little less boring than a glorified statstick trinket

[wanton condor]

yeah

kyrian and NF feel good to press, have obvious effects, and benefit tanking

NL has the best plate mogs so I'd love to be able to play it but it's just so damn bland

[sweet summit]

Venthyr>necro mog wise

[sick sentinel]

Is it more worth to try to get 226 conduits or sockets?

[fickle timber]

Move revenge to a less convenient spot on your bars

So much wasted revenge rage when threat is adaquate

I try to hit ignore pain more than I revenge and that’s made a big difference

The hammer of genesis fixes the rage issue tho

If you burn packs quick enough it’s like a perm haste buff on trash

More rage and shorter cds

Really depends on your play style

[solemn magnet]

You aren't revenging for threat. You're revenging for dmg

[open monolith]

Who would win, the virgin Ignore Pain user or the Chad Revenge user?

You press Ignore Pain when you're going to die if you wouldn't press Ignore Pain. You press revenge always

[solemn magnet]

^

[fickle timber]

Many openers have a ton of dmg on the front end

So it depends

[open monolith]

I use ignore pain on like... sludge and denathrius

and certain gigantic pulls in m+

[fickle timber]

Sometimes I feel like if I can survive the charge it’s all good, which I think is a healer problem. Some healers let us get too low before they start

[open monolith]

otherwise just revenge, baby

[fickle timber]

Like when I play with a resto Druid

Ass puckered all day

[open monolith]

Nothing should be dealing that much damage to you

are you like... not pressing shield block?

or spell reflect? or shield wall?

[fickle timber]

For example DoS platform 2

[open monolith]

dos paltform 2 you should be going in with shield wall, collecting threat, and then kiting

[quasi bloom]

Hey guys. Just wondering as someone who is looking to start tanking in 9.0.5 if the legendary recommendations in the pins are still accurate with the buffs to some coming in .5.

[fickle timber]

Yeah I need to skip that and let CD recharge - someone wrote they kill mask then come back

I usually blow wall on pull 1

[open monolith]

shouldn't need wall pull 1

Just spec into Bolster, hit last stand.

[jagged pier]

^^

[solemn magnet]

LS the first pull and wall the 2nd

[lofty widget]

as it is right now, reprisal is looking to be the best for m+, the wall will still be most solid for raiding

[fickle timber]

Ehh I usually run AM.

[open monolith]

okay well

don't

and then your problems are fixed

[solemn magnet]

Bolster in m+

[quasi bloom]

@lofty widget thank you

[open monolith]

Until you completely outgear content, you don't run AM in m+

[fickle timber]

I outgear a 15

218

[open monolith]

not if your butthole is completely puckered on a DOS trash pull, lol

[fickle timber]

Like I said, usually when heals don’t take me seriously when I say don’t wait to heal me

[jagged pier]

im 226 and still run bolster in m+ becuase its makes it so much easier and LS is basically a dps CD with bolster

[open monolith]

Yeah. I'd argue Last Stand Bolster with Unnerving focus is a DPS cooldown.

[jagged pier]

press LS and spam revenge

[fickle timber]

I love bolster but having more shield wall and dmg is super nice

[open monolith]

Press Last Stand, spam revenge

[solemn magnet]

Not when your dead

[fickle timber]

I don’t die if my healer isn’t lazy though

[jagged pier]

what is your average dps in a key with AM?

[fickle timber]

3-3.5

[solemn magnet]

Not having SB or SW isn't your healer being lazy

[jagged pier]

yikes bit low of AM no?

[ionic fern]

3.5-4k+ is your "usual" bolster dps.

[jagged pier]

^^

[open monolith]

All I'm saying is: you have the tools to NOT be taking as much damage as you are

So don't blame your healers for it.

Source: main healed all of KSM

[fickle timber]

Overall dps average?

[remote dawn]

Ja

[ionic fern]

Overall dps yes.

[jagged pier]

yer i do like 4.6K in mists overall

4k in others

[open monolith]

(you're also 226)

(which is 8 ilvls over him)

[jagged pier]

thats not that much more

[open monolith]

Can be if weapon is one of his low pieces

[jagged pier]

and you'd expect AM to give him a boost

[fickle timber]

Hm I’ll try bolster again, my weapon is a 216

[open monolith]

full 226 ilvl is pretty significant compared to 218

ANYWHO

it's not your healer's fault

Warrior is my 2nd favorite tank to heal as a holy pally

because, generally, they take no damage.

[fickle timber]

On the pull in talking about it is

[open monolith]

Pool rage at the end of a pull before the next

you should have no issues.

When you're on the last mob or 2 and they are low on HP. stop spending rage, let it pool, go into next pull with enough for defensives.

[fickle timber]

Yeah honestly that would help, I could just run from big skele and not execute

[open monolith]

also

Race change to vulpera

I'm not memeing

Nose for trouble makes the initial pull of every pack so incredibily smooth

[fickle timber]

I almost did, I went from orc to bElf lul for the mog

[open monolith]

it's usually 10-14% of my total healing through a dungeon

[fickle timber]

Arcane torrent has helped tho

[solemn magnet]

Nose for trouble is kinda huge

[glossy wave]

Do you know any prot war streamer i can watch during this push week ?

[open monolith]

snse

nomeratur

[solemn magnet]

Plka

[uneven mason]

I don't think NOm is doing many keys

He's in mid Patch blues slump

[jagged pier]

ill be pugging keys tonight that usually leaves me in the blues

[ionic fern]

Think the most consistent streamer for prot atm is Plka.

[open monolith]

yeah my guild is also hitting mid-patch slump

literally nobody raids at our time that is looking for guild, so we can't build a mythic roster

and everyone is now basically max geared for heroic

and... only like 8 people in our guild like m+, but only one healer (me)

so I am carrying people through 14s all week for vault, but nobody can carry my dps alt D:

1st world wow problems

[swift mesa]

did anyone here pug all the way to ksm