protection

[modern brook]

you're weird af

[wet compass]

weird asf

[uneven mason]

Although the solution is really they needed to take the unpruning 1 step farther

[wanton condor]

you can't force me to take off devastator

[modern brook]

Devastator talent being bis again is theb est part of the spec

[delicate thorn]

Bring back Slam with cast timer? 😉

[uneven mason]

Slam becomes Heroic strike for prot, off GCD

[wet compass]

I want devestator baked in and a single target damage talent in it's place

[modern brook]

absolutely fuck devestate the button

[silver trout]

we're already kinda gcd capped already

[uneven mason]

Thus why MoP HS is the answer

[wanton condor]

in ST yeah, issue with the resource is that we're often dry in AOE if you're spending on defense

[silver trout]

agreed 👍

[wanton condor]

the other option is that you could just pump up shield slam damage

for ST

[wet compass]

okay so the problem with that is pvp

[delicate thorn]

the problem is that pvp exists to begin with

[wet compass]

eventually you get to the point where it's dumb

nah the real problem is that all our bis comes from pvp 😦

[wanton condor]

you just do what they did to Arms and set a pvp scaler

[jagged pier]

☝️

[wanton condor]

part of the problem is that the fury build/spend is just scuffed in ST; you're gcd locked until 20% then you're drier than a desert

[chilly brook]

I like getting paid though

[jagged pier]

☝️

[wanton condor]

free revenge/execute would be fun

[wet compass]

yep it would 🙂

[chilly brook]

Wdym you're GCD locked as fury period

[wet compass]

hell bake devestator into the spec and put sudden death as a talent boom

[delicate thorn]

what about having that free Revenge thing proc more often, and it also makes Execute free?

[wet compass]

that too

bake into spec and give massacre 😛

[wanton condor]

oh god the brain farts, rage not fury

this is what I get for talking vdh earlier

[silver trout]

that'd be fun

lol

means I get to smash condemn more

[wet compass]

also make the condemn damage reduc an aura buff

[silver trout]

thatd be awesome tbh

[wet compass]

which is why it won't happen 🙂

[silver trout]

yep

[chilly brook]

Kekw

Just save last stand until 20%

The execute go brrrr

[blazing condor]

what a good day - upgraded trinket from 200 > 226 and shield from 200 > 220

[delicate thorn]

nice

I upgraded from a bad 177 trinket to a slightly better 177 trinket

[wanton condor]

the fact that Prot turns a defensive CD into offense is both hilarious and incredibly within its design flavor

[silver trout]

I almost wonder if the shield block increase to shield slam damage could be buffed a bit more... could be nice for st dps

[flat marten]

Does anyone have tips for snap threat in m+? I have a fury warrior dps in my group that rips a lot and fortified week is particularly bad because I never seem to have enough rage to bot mitigate and establish threat on the pull

(in the 14-16 range)

[jagged pier]

Rav spear revenge

or AA

[flat marten]

I tend to like to save spear for kiting mid pack but maybe that's too conservative

[jagged pier]

nah you should use it on pull

[uneven mason]

Prot ravager 20s CD

[signal plover]

Yeah don't do that in 14-16

In fact I don't think I'd ever delay spear except at the very end of pulls

[jagged pier]

^^

[uneven mason]

Can't delay spear/AA

otherwise your chonkers DPS is gonna rip aggro

[flat marten]

Ok, I'll try that, probably will make a huge difference given the amount of damage

Guess the next step is to get better at kiting without it

[uneven mason]

depends what key level you're in

[flat marten]

Trying for ksm atm, so 15s mostly this week

[uneven mason]

Eh, should be fine without kiting

nothing in these affixes requires it

[sterile moss]

in terms of the discussion earlier about our st dmg, I was thinking what a numerically fair rework to Revenge would look like

as it is, it's 63% ap

make it 100%, reduced by ~7% per target

[uneven mason]

...

[sterile moss]

that way it would still do about the same dmg on 5 targets while bing over 50% buff in st

[uneven mason]

make it 300% and divide it among all targets hit.

[sterile moss]

that would be way op

[uneven mason]

no

that would put us close to paladins

[sterile moss]

nerf their damage

[uneven mason]

Buff ours

I mean still find it idiotic the way they described auras as a fine tuning knob

when they were introduced

and they were great, and they've refused to use them

ability dmg buffs on fury, nothing for prot

90% sure because we got used in world first

reason why we haven't seen anything beyond SPell reflect getting secretly fun detected.

[sterile moss]

I'm pretty sure with revenge doing 300% ap you'd be seeing dps playing prot warriors

[uneven mason]

I mean

Prot was the #1 DPS for M+ for half of BFA

not many DPS swapped

[sterile moss]

number crunching complete: my 1.7 avg revenges become 8095 without bsc

xD

[uneven mason]

Sounds beautiful

[sterile moss]

it does

[uneven mason]

I mean, it comes down to, yeah we have no ST choice in our damage

we have a weak hitting cleave attack, and thats it for our damage choice

[copper venture]

any reason to use whirlwind?

[sterile moss]

no

[copper venture]

it's off my action bar rn

ok

[uneven mason]

🤮 🤮 🤮

[thick pecan]

why do I keep hearing necro is gonna be really good, is it cause of the mastery on banner now?

[uneven mason]

is it mostly Boomkin UDK and Fire mages telling you this?

[sterile moss]

I agree that it's unsatisfying to use an aoe ability on st

[uneven mason]

They want a simpy bone warrior to boost their parses

[deep steppe]

its only gonna be really good for your dps

Necro = Simp City

[thick pecan]

it's just word of mouth, twitch chat etc.

yeah its the one cov I never had any intention of touching lol

[sterile moss]

someone told me that Max from Limit said they were considering 2 prot warrior for next tier because Necro changes. that might be why

[uneven mason]

Its being brought up from "Dumpster filled with Thermite" bad to "Functional, but still a personal loss"

[thick pecan]

thats probably it. everyone listens to max

[copper venture]

i also got flamed for being NF as prot instead of kyrian... in a m0...

[sterile moss]

LOL

[uneven mason]

Because in raid it costs the warrior nothing but can be a massive boost to DPS

I mean if you consider really good soulbinds nothing

Maybe in 9.1 they'll fix prot damage output and we won't have to rely on spear/AA as a burst aggro crutch

[sterile moss]

I'm just grateful I play mythics with a hunter

[strong forum]

aggro has never been an issue for me, but as necro i can see that being a thing

but then again

imagine doing m+ higher than weekly

[chilly brook]

I would hope aggro wouldn't be an issue with 20%+ strength

[fringe marten]

?? Am I doing something wrong here? the shield (for xmog) Royal Crest of Lordaeron, says it's from Culling of Stratholme normal, I've done it a few times now and I never get it. is it that rare??

[chilly brook]

Well those people are actual 5heads

[uneven mason]

28%with a 213~

and another 11% ap from mastery

Who knows, could be the answer to our prayers, once every 2min

[jagged pier]

well legacy loot rules so u got to get lucky

[uneven mason]

Legacy Loot rules = LOL GOOD LUCK EVER GETTING ANYTHING YOU"RE LOOKING FOR?
Farming the T10 red set boots from Violet Hold? HAHAHA NO WE HAVE A FROST RUNE FOR YOU!

[fringe marten]

Ok, but the items that drop in normal are blue..and collections tab says this is a purple item. Is it a rare drop? (you get malganis's drops in the chest at the end)

[uneven mason]

Oh, you need to change the dungeon setting to heroic

[fringe marten]

Why does it say 'normal' then?

[uneven mason]

blizzard ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fringe marten]

I've done both modes a few times actually..am I just having bad luck?

can I now do it on heroic then and still get loot?

let's go find out lol

[deep steppe]

god xmog/mount runs

thats something i havent done in a hot minute

i should get back to those

[fringe marten]

and umm...how are these necrolord, legendary changes looking?

[chilly brook]

Yea it's actually big strength

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

I'd consider running it for fury tbh since it would lineup with every other reck assuming it doesnt suck ass

[uneven mason]

Now all they need to do

is give us Arms ravager

[fringe marten]

I've been raid logging the last 2 weeks, doing 1 15 or 16 M+ for vault...and playing nothing but Valheim. So I'm not up to speed on changes coming.

[uneven mason]

so signet procs

[chilly brook]

I wanna be able to pump though it cant just be a buff other people kinda shit

[uneven mason]

then we can necrolord bladestorm

mebbie Seismic + Necrolord will let us be big deepus

[chilly brook]

Reprisal looking good, necro is looking decent for prot assuming you actually have a really coordinated group

And when I say coordinated I mean actually mapping shit out to lineup

Fuck me I got a popeyes chicken sandwich commercial and now I want a chicken sandwich

[uneven mason]

Was just thinking, a Holy priest or resto shamans mastery scales crazy fast

[chilly brook]

Lmao

[uneven mason]

Necrolord versatile healing CD booster too?

[chilly brook]

Banner is a healing CD for prideful

[uneven mason]

O hman, hide that shit.

[chilly brook]

Kekw

[fringe marten]

I hate that we are probably going to have to swap covenants.

I love that we will get a very useful cool group utility on top of Rally cry.

[chilly brook]

You probably won't

[fringe marten]

I love that it boosts dps...i HATE that it boosts dps. Because everyone ELSE will know we're supposed to be necrolord..and will insta demand "where da banner?"

[chilly brook]

I mean

Your guild

Probably won't be coordinated enough to even matter

[uneven mason]

If your guild is demanding you play X Y or Z, and isn't a top 100

they can 🖕

[jagged pier]

[signal plover]

Jakey tell us the truth, do u have a QT boomkin in your guild

[jagged pier]

have 3 boomkins

[uneven mason]

NGL as a raid leader I'm eyeballing it something fierce now that I unsmoothbrained long enough to realize that it can be used for healing CDs as well.

[chilly brook]

But are any of them cute

[signal plover]

Wait is mast actually good for boomies I forgot

[devout pike]

ayo guys quick question, for the ppl that killed mythic inerva, did u do it 2/3/15 or 2/4/14

always seems tight in dps

[jagged pier]

fuk no LUL

[chilly brook]

Very

[chilly brook]

So fuck em they dont get banner

[devout pike]

mastery good for dk, boomie, locks

monks too

[fringe marten]

it's a 3 healer fight for us

(we progging on council now)

[chilly brook]

Monk about to be irrelevant

[signal plover]

3 healers for us

[devout pike]

true

[fringe marten]

I think you can kill it with more healers? but it becomes super heal intensive...but the current 'strat' everyone uses is a 3 healer fight, full burn

[signal plover]

Izzi as long as ppl can do soaks/geometry

[chilly brook]

Well no it's a 3 healer fight because it's a dps race

[devout pike]

ty guys, cause we tried 4 healers yesterday and feels like boss was at 40% and all cannisters were getting 2/3 and tough fight

[strong forum]

Pure dps race

[fringe marten]

Oh can you not open/close the anima tanks more..do more healing, and have it be slower? you just have to be the containers filling, so it's pure race?

[chilly brook]

Mythic is different

It's a hard dps race

[fringe marten]

yeah we've killed it a couple times

[chilly brook]

Something about the containers filling the others when opened

Idk

[fringe marten]

I just don't know exactly the full strat of why it's a dps race..other than...everything is anyway.

ah, so you simply can't actually 'lower' the total amount of fill

[chilly brook]

Yea

Something like that

[fringe marten]

so at X time in the fight, one of them is full no matter what and you blow up

ok makes sense

you're just managing which ones are how full, at what times.

[jagged pier]

wasnt planning to anyway

[fringe marten]

did heroic culling..again no shield for the 10th time. But did get a cool sword xmog I've never seen before.

[chilly brook]

I dont even know who I am anymore

I actually want to be alliance

To be a human

[uneven mason]

if you open 1 the other 3 gain it, so at best you're delaying by only a little and increasing your difficulty by forcing more mechanics

[chilly brook]

[fringe marten]

Never seen "Dreadlords Blade" before...AH it's 2h...Mannnnn~

yeah but you have to open 1 a little to move it around..depending on your dps

[uneven mason]

right

[fringe marten]

I think we have to click them twice..? once at like 63% and again at one other point

[uneven mason]

you can delay a little

but its all about raw DPS

[fringe marten]

either way; I actually like that fight.. it's the most exciting fight for tanks by far in the instance.

[chilly brook]

Eh

I'd prefer sire from a tanking standpoint

[uneven mason]

for sure

[chilly brook]

Inerva actually triggers me

[uneven mason]

Lady D wasn't that exciting, swap at 2, run out explosion, be forced to get hit in the back by the Mac Truck Add

[chilly brook]

I like the JFM mechanic but it shouldn't be happening while you're still getting meleed

[fringe marten]

I would be lying though if I said I didn't miss some of the images every few pulls or so..and get 3 stacked or so. My old ass eyes...that shit just blends in with all the mess of red bullshit going on with too much frequency.

[chilly brook]

Being forced to take melees in the back is aids

[fringe marten]

JFM mechanic?

[chilly brook]

Game sound is your friend

Jade Fire Masters

The images are a direct copy

[fringe marten]

oh yeah..where you have to turn away from her to see.

yeah it's fine

her melee is so weak anyway..who cares

I could tank her with my back to her the entire time and it would barely matter.

it's her dot that matters.

the melee that 'matters' is the large add, he kinda hits mean..but again, his ability that boosts HER dot damage is what matters LOL. (again..mostly magic damage fight that sucks for us)

[chilly brook]

Just reflect the ability

[uneven mason]

Its the adds melee

[fringe marten]

I do

Every one I can.

But how long that add lives is dependant on your dps, and how many people hard switch

[uneven mason]

Yeah

although

[fringe marten]

that add gets off between 2 and 3 casts. But usually there's a boss swap in there somewhere.

[uneven mason]

for the melee add you can kind've let cleave do the job while focusing on Lady

[fringe marten]

you kinda' have to anyway.

But I like that fight, a lot of focus needed from tanks and also tank communication can have a big impact on mitigating damage. If you time swaps tight you can limit your exposure to her dot to 1 stack at a time, for much of the fight...and then always take the big add first every cycle, so you can reflect one of his casts.

[chilly brook]

https://youtu.be/EPtvlPo83Gk

Enjoying this tbh

[chilly brook]

Idk it's the same as every other fight, just have to face a certain direction

And turning on game sound makes that a breeze

[fringe marten]

As long as I've been cotanking with my bear partner after a couple times of me saying "i got the big add" even though I still had the boss..he was like "uh..? ok? but..?" then I had to tell him we could reflect it's ability...then he got it~.

I do have it on just loud enough to hear the little woosh sound it makes when they pop out, the easiest thing for me is to see the little..? Droplet that bounces and spawns them.

[chilly brook]

The sound is directional

You dont even have to see it

Just turn in the direction you hear

[fringe marten]

But even then sometimes in the middle of a taunt swap, with all the adds popping (large red circles) and melee positioning them..and us repositioing boss etc.. I focus on getting the big add or something for like 1 second, don't see the drop pop out and spawn the images...and just lose them in all the red immediately.

[chilly brook]

Which is why game sound is key

It's a very distinct sound when they spawn

[fringe marten]

? hm..maybe I'll just turn up sound a bit more on that fight.

I have a solid headset so the directional audio should be on point. But I have game audio fairly low so discord is clear.

But it's not a big issue too often, just sometimes it gets lost int he sauce and I'll take a 3 stack.. but we don't have struggles on her due to tanking, it's all mongos not soaking.

or mongos not linking beams...

But that fight is checked off the list anyway; now it's all about council atm.

[uneven mason]

5th grade geometry

[fringe marten]

Dude...have you ever SEEN dps players in WoW..? Just..see 'em DO stuff in raid?

[chilly brook]

Council has been a pain in the ass so far

[distant kestrel]

i am being told Prot warrior is broken cos of a legendary for 9.0.5, can any1 explain and what covenant??

[chilly brook]

Told from who lmao

[fringe marten]

So what is the new hotness leggo coming?

and what slot should we craft it for?

Or..which one is being retuned to being strong for us; is the better way to phrase it.

[distant kestrel]

some guidlies on testing the ptr

[chilly brook]

Are you already playing prot?

[modern brook]

Your guildies are falling to hype they dont understand

[fringe marten]

(which is the new retuned leggo that's going to be worthwhile?)

[chilly brook]

Reprisal

[bitter canopy]

from what i read for the reworked leggo, when you charge or intervene you get shield block and free revenge and generate 20 rage, seems pretty good

[fringe marten]

If it stays like that, it'll be really good yeah.

[chilly brook]

It is pretty good

[fringe marten]

What slots can it go in?

[chilly brook]

Will it make us OP? Who knows and probably not

[modern brook]

Highest stat budget

[echo egret]

After doing all +16s in time, I spent the day being rejected for +17s... prot warrior ceiling ?

[fringe marten]

legs/feet

so..legs.

[modern brook]

I think legs idr off hand

[fringe marten]

yeah looking at it in game.

[modern brook]

Legs for sure then!

[uneven mason]

Reprisal is being returned to be an actual interactive legendary that has impact on gameplay, its not OP, it doesn't make us demigods, its just functional.

You know what other tanks have had all Xpac.

[strong forum]

Pwar ceiling is whatever your premade group is able to play

[fringe marten]

If we get it crafted now; it'll get 'patched' properly right? I don't want to wait until after patch and see prices skyrocket.

[echo egret]

I don't have a premade group

[strong forum]

Exactly

So get one

Pugging as non fotm class is basically impossible

[uneven mason]

Prot warriors are limited by the combined IQ of the party that is denying them.

[tepid raptor]

So, my guild is telling me to tank 3 first bosses in mythic, got no leggo, and got pvp shield+onehand 213, no tank trinkets

am i gonna get cucked?

[strong forum]

No

[echo egret]

Well I've pugged all 16s 🙂

[tepid raptor]

Did 3x +15 keys yesterday

[strong forum]

Just play well 👍

[tepid raptor]

havent tanked since bfa

[strong forum]

If you know the strats you're gonna do fine

[uneven mason]

You're fine

[tepid raptor]

Aight

[modern brook]

Dogs might be an issue if ur dog tank

[uneven mason]

just keep SB up when you get melee'd

[modern brook]

The 3rd one I mean

[tepid raptor]

So if i remember it correctly, just a good uptime on shieldblock and pump ignore pain? xD

[chilly brook]

Are you actually already playing prot?

[strong forum]

I don't use ignore pain at all on the first 2 bosses

[bitter canopy]

i think that leggo would be better in M+ than raiding

[fringe marten]

Yeah, prot warrior is good...but if you just jump into random pugs (assuming M+) you may not have any threat management help. Our dps/threat is ok..but if you get some strong aggressive dps they can easily peel mobs off the edges of packs on pull and can turn pulls into a mess sometimes. (one of the boomies in my guild is ridiculous for this)

[chilly brook]

Because it is

[uneven mason]

Nohi - don't worry about the leggo tbh, our current legos are so boring that you won't even notice.

[tepid raptor]

Aight, ill just bladestorm the bosses 😄

[strong forum]

Just play to the best of your ability, keep block up when tanking, call for externals if you need

[fringe marten]

And, even in premades...it's difficult to train people not to kick casts when you're saying you'll reflect next~

[strong forum]

Dont hesitate to use shieldwall

[uneven mason]

Ran with a new Fire mage for the first time lastnight, dude was combusting before I had finished my charge then being like "DUDE WAT AGGRO!"

[fringe marten]

Like..people have to get trained into working well with spell reflect.

[tepid raptor]

@strong forum the last stand conduit gives shield block aswell, op now?

[uneven mason]

talent, bolster, not OP

its a strong talent

[chilly brook]

Lol

[wet compass]

Unless you get a team yeah pretty much. Just makes more sense for a pug to take a dh and there are a lot of them

[tepid raptor]

Yeah ill do LFR or hc or something like that for 3 first bosses

[chilly brook]

Bolster is booty in raid

[fringe marten]

Yeah; then people start wondering if you know how to play prot warrior..or if prot is as bad as everyone says... and it's like "dude...Tclap is no longer godmode, and revenge is a small little cone in front of me...give me TWO SECONDS to get aggro you FKN MONGO"

[sand condor]

i just tanked a 16

without any issues

[uneven mason]

Yeah I was like "when you see my blue sparkle shit hit the ground you can pump all you want"

[tepid raptor]

@fringe marten You don't tank this patch, you kite, the better kiter you are the better TANK you are roflmao

[uneven mason]

"if you see a spinning axe, have at go HAM"

[tepid raptor]

= VDH op af

[wet compass]

I'm not saying it's not doable I'm saying community perception will hardcap your ability to get in pugs

[strong forum]

I don't kite in my keys

No need

[sand condor]

oh yeah

[tepid raptor]

We can't kite, were warriors 😄

[wet compass]

It's obviously very doable just pugs will want dh

[sand condor]

why would i pug

[uneven mason]

"If you don't see me on the DPS meter yet, don't fucking nuke"

[chilly brook]

I'm going to assume this dudes guildies either finally started playing prot the way it should have been played going into SL or got into groups with some guys who actually know how to play the class and think its OP now because of the Lego

[sand condor]

im just helping some guildies

[tepid raptor]

What lvl keys u do @strong forum

[fringe marten]

I run bolster on prog, on council I'm doing bolster..on inerva I did bolster (did it so I can grab her and big add, do reflect..then swap..etc) but after we get comfy with fights I usually go back to AM. BUT...I'm starting to really dig on bolster as an 'offensive' cd..to burn it on pull and at other times solely for the rage gen to smash revenge non stop.

[tepid raptor]

I'd really wanna see a good prot tank

[wet compass]

well he was talking about getting rejected from keys so I would assume that's pugging not his guildees rejecting him

[fringe marten]

There's plenty of them bud

[chilly brook]

I dont kite in 16s or 17s unless something is wrong tbh

[uneven mason]

Plka or sense..

[strong forum]

Baby keys, only weekly stuff

15-17

[tepid raptor]

Ah

[fringe marten]

I don't kite in 16's or 17's..if it's a Tyran week.

[uneven mason]

IDK is sense running keys atm?

[strong forum]

Pushing higher is dumb

[tepid raptor]

Why^^

[strong forum]

Pointless

Boring

[fringe marten]

In a 17 fortified key...without anything solid up for defense, or when all shield block is down (including bolster/etc) Yeah i'm outtie.

[wet compass]

baby keys are more fun

[uneven mason]

no reward for additional effort

Since the current meta has nothing to do with actual tank balance

[wet compass]

I miss blitzing 15s with TDs

[tepid raptor]

Inb4 valor update and you need rio :3

[strong forum]

I don't need rio

[uneven mason]

Nom has his own team

which he has whipped into submission

[fringe marten]

Well, doing keys atm other than strictly for vault..or carrying new people to some 'ok' gear on a twink..is a waste of time. We're all doing keys SOLELY for vault, or IO score.

[uneven mason]

with foul language

[fringe marten]

Keys in and of themselves, are a waste of time atm.

[strong forum]

[fringe marten]

You don't even get good anima from it

let alone gear/anything else.

[uneven mason]

and mournful sighs

[strong forum]

Many

Many sighs

[tepid raptor]

Who cares about gear ect

[strong forum]

I only play for gear

[uneven mason]

👋

[tepid raptor]

when youre 226, ru just gonna quit?

with bis

[strong forum]

Pmuch

[fringe marten]

RIght; so doing anything above 15's...is purely for io

[tepid raptor]

boring

[uneven mason]

Until next tier probably

[tepid raptor]

m+ is a challange bois

[fringe marten]

(which I like doing, but..I like Valheim more..atm)

[wet compass]

I mean some of us just don't enjoy M+

[uneven mason]

Nom will play Hello Kitty Island Adventure +

[strong forum]

Game is shit what can I tell you

[chilly brook]

When I'm 226 I'll still be around

But only because I'm trying to get CE

[fringe marten]

I was actually having fun pushing up..then valheim hit, and...wow ended for a couple weeks.

[tepid raptor]

Ofc yall dont enjoy m+ youre prot warriors

[chilly brook]

[wet compass]

I like raiding, raiding is why I play this game

[tepid raptor]

Thats why i rolled fury this exp

[uneven mason]

big oof

rolling fury in SL as a choice

[wet compass]

the only time I enjoyed M+ was when I could literally solo carry keys with td

[strong forum]

If I rolled anything but pwar I wouldn't even play the game

[fringe marten]

Matt, we are too...but I honestly don't think we possibly will. If we're progging on council now I don't think we'll have time to get CE.

[strong forum]

[chilly brook]

I mean tanking in general in SL is kinda shit

[red wave]

I love pushing keys, it's all opinions. I have 3 diff chars pushing 20-23. 8.3 was fucking terrible for M+. Worst season to me in a lot of ways.

[tepid raptor]

There is no tanking

thats what im saying xD

Its just kiting

[wet compass]

tanking in raids is fine but fuck M+

[uneven mason]

Blizzard watching kite meta like 🔥 This is fine 🔥

[tepid raptor]

only class that can tank is dudus with incar cuz their leggo

[chilly brook]

Council is like 3 bosses away from CE wdym

[strong forum]

Dungeon Design is horrible, small pulls, low dps

[tepid raptor]

if u saw MDI HoA you'll know

[strong forum]

Why would I play m+

[fringe marten]

Nohi; you really don't understand how much physical damage warriors mitigate...we can face tank solidly even in pretty challenging keys, for a while.

[wet compass]

also aoe caps

dear god why

[tepid raptor]

Nomeratur, you can ofc do big pulls

[chilly brook]

DH can tank quite a bit bud

[tepid raptor]

but idk if prots can handle that as good as others :S

[strong forum]

Only if you're trolling

[uneven mason]

DHs during meta can face tank a planet

[tepid raptor]

Only if youre timing

[fringe marten]

The REASON prot warrior could face tank 100% in BFA...was because we could maintain near 100% block uptime, and had SO much mastery we were crit blocking a dummy amount of the time.

[strong forum]

Big pulls is only you do smth if you wanna fuck around in current m+

If you wanna time shit you don't go big

[tepid raptor]

905 gon be nice? or what do you guys think

[chilly brook]

Don't forget spikes and brand

[wet compass]

brand is so bullshit

[uneven mason]

they have 100% uptime on brand

[fringe marten]

and no..DH's are very durable, within their CD's. That's why their CD's have pretty short cool downs too.

[uneven mason]

so that isn't even mentioned

DHs outside of meta

well

thats what leaping around is for

[fringe marten]

Sure Outside of ALL cd's DH's are squishy because they're leather...but in M+ outside of shield block prot warrior is squishy too, b ecause mobs are tuned strong.

[tepid raptor]

Idk, doublepulls-tripplepulls with nonaoe cap @strong forum is pretty insane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjyGI29-cvw

[fringe marten]

Not just meta, they have more tricks for mit than that.

[tepid raptor]

they won that round 😄

[strong forum]

Yeah

Mdi

That's not live

[fringe marten]

But when shield block is up, we mitigate more physical damage (physical hits, not necessarily physical spell casts) than any other class..by a solid margin.

[strong forum]

[deep steppe]

basing stuff off MDI 🤔

[strong forum]

Mdi has nothing to do with the real game

Not even remotely

[tepid raptor]

So basiclly its a private server

[uneven mason]

Being able to reset dungeons 100s of times to perfect pulls because you have access to a tournament realm imagine that.

[tepid raptor]

:3

[fringe marten]

So, even in fairly challenging keys..even on fort weeks, as long as shield block is up we're usually safer standing still tanking..than we are kiting.

[sand condor]

I like playing prot tbh

[uneven mason]

It literally is like that.

[wet compass]

honestly the real game would be a lot more fun if it was more similar to mdi

[tepid raptor]

That's a +18 its nothign

[fringe marten]

MDI is a theoretical upper limit of live gameplay.

[deep steppe]

same, prot is nice tbh

[wet compass]

if it was about speed rather than pushing higher

[sand condor]

After not touching it for ages i got a 95 on Mshriek

[tepid raptor]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-sl-1/20977408-26-the-necrotic-wake

[fringe marten]

What you can get in MDI you COULD get on live servers, but not realistically.

[strong forum]

Mdi is people with perfect gear and perfect timings of CDs and CCs

[tepid raptor]

I wonder how they timed that

maybe small pulls

[sand condor]

Venthyr protwar kinda fun

[wet compass]

Like if dungeons were capped at 20 and there was a speed leaderboard or something

I mean mage has uncapped aoe

[fringe marten]

The CD timing and play is on the team; that's achievable anywhere. The GEAR is the 'theoretical upper limit" part..that you probably will never reach on live servers.

[wet compass]

boomkin is basically uncapped

[chilly brook]

Why are we having this argument....

[wet compass]

holly pally has ashen hallow bullshit

[deep steppe]

cause we have a troll here now

[strong forum]

Idk man, it's a dumb discussion

[chilly brook]

You don't ever run into anything close to MDI on live.....

[fringe marten]

(for anyone who doesn't know, in the MDI you get to literally pick your gear)

[strong forum]

If you wanna damage your brain go play high m+

I ain't stopping you

[tepid raptor]

im rofling rn

look at the tanks twitch

hes kiting AF LOL

[uneven mason]

Because someone mentioned "prot warrior buffs" and its like spraying troll bait on the discord server

[sand condor]

Honestly this is fair

[tepid raptor]

ran around whole SD

[sand condor]

Bur prot warrior is getting a buff have you seen our new leggo?

[wet compass]

I'm just hoping for them to get rid of the aoe cap by 9.2

[sand condor]

100% uptime on sb

[wet compass]

I know they won't but I hope

[tepid raptor]

Is necro gonna be bis for prot warrs?

[fringe marten]

So everything they have in the MDI they COULD GET on live servers. But it's literally BiS, you pick the exact item you want..and it gets rolled at it's maximum possible ilevel.

[uneven mason]

We would need an impactful AE attack for that to be worthwhile

[chilly brook]

Idk why dont you tell me

[fringe marten]

So you even get to pick 233 weapon/s that you would get from either pvp or Sire Denathrius mythic.

[wet compass]

those are deterministic anyone with the skill can get them on live servers

the bigger thing is the 226 perfect stated dungeon pieces

[fringe marten]

Has there been any indication as to when 9.05 is hitting?

[strong forum]

March

[uneven mason]

its a release build

[wet compass]

soon

[uneven mason]

so, next week possibly

[strong forum]

Within the next 3 weeks

[uneven mason]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

funk these prot warrior fotm tanks I'm going BUR

[tepid raptor]

@fringe marten Which is realistic because those in MDI, for example echo probably has that on their mains 🙂

[uneven mason]

the class that is so boring no one plays it even when its #1

[fringe marten]

Xath, right..it's all the same thing though...literally the ability to pick PERFECT maxed out gear. That's just not realistic..even the luckiest people don't get that. But the gameplay is all possible. So the MDI isn't an unreal fantasy like people want to state...but it's 'perfect scenario' as far as gear goes.

[uneven mason]

Whats not realistic on live realms that you get on the MDI tournament relms is the hours of resettable keys

[strong forum]

It's less the gear

Moreso the 16-32hrs of practice

[wet compass]

MDI is an unreal fantasy

[strong forum]

In 1 dungeon alone

[wet compass]

That

[fringe marten]

Right; the difference in the PERFECT statted gear..and what gear these people have on live, isn't that much different in real world performance. You could have had those teams use their live characters..and what they pulled off would be pretty much the same.

[uneven mason]

You get to pick what key, and can chain reset them over and over

[fringe marten]

(exactly nom)

[wet compass]

the practicing specific pulls over and over reseting the keys

[uneven mason]

so you have the perfect pulls and paths

[fringe marten]

Yes, they are on a private server..where they get to run the SAME dungeon, at the SAME level with the SAME affixes over and over and over. THAT is why they can pull off the shit they do.

[strong forum]

The mdi boys play more m+ in 1 practice week than I play in an expansion

[uneven mason]

MMhmmm

[strong forum]

That's just a fact

[fringe marten]

That's exactly why Nom..not the gear, not the teams...the ability to fine tune a specific dungeon, with specific affixes...as much as they like.

[tepid raptor]

Can we just all agree, we're all butthurt because we're not chosen in MDI, in any spec 😦

[uneven mason]

Like, you can do a lot of crazy stuff with fairly "meh" gear

[strong forum]

Nobody is butthurt

[fringe marten]

We were all last xpac Nohi?

[tepid raptor]

Who cares about last xpac

[uneven mason]

haven't given a fuck about MDI since it became a thing, you're the one that brought it up.

[strong forum]

It's simple facts, dh is better and has 10x more dmg with spb

Done.

Next topic

[wet compass]

the only thing I like about the mdi is the relatively low cap allows for crazy ass plays

[tepid raptor]

But still youre an professor about it @uneven mason

[uneven mason]

We're trying to inform someone who seems woefully ignorant on how things work.

[wet compass]

while live you don't usually take those kind of risks

[fringe marten]

I'm not salty at all about what they do in the MDI, because prot warrior was heavily represented last season. Those guys put in INSANE practice and time and they've earned their right to compete there. They're WAY better at dungeons than us..because they put in that time and effort. Why would anyone be mad about that?

[tepid raptor]

I'm not sure if you do watch the streams where people push 24's ect

I guess not 😄

[vague jetty]

There are some people in here who think they are substantially smarter than they really are 🤦‍♂️

[wet compass]

Not sure if you have a clue what you are talking aobut

[fringe marten]

On live...instead of trying to perfect an 18...they're pushing into the 24's+..so the dungeons get A LOT harder, they cannot do that stuff in that level of dungeon.

[uneven mason]

I don't watch streams at all outside of trying to learn this weeks new curse word from Nomeratur

[wet compass]

oh wait I know you don't 😉

[fringe marten]

I'm not sure who or what xath is arguing with; but it's amazing that M+ discussion in here is the equivalent of talking politics or religion at a bar. It turns into toxic arguing way fast.

Which is sad because this is generally one of the most informed and educational class channels for WoW.

[wet compass]

the one claiming mdi is similar to live who apparently has nothing better to do than watch push keys for some god forsaken reason

[vague jetty]

Usually it’s the same people in here trying to insult anybody and about how they are right because their RadioShack job makes them an expert. But you know

[wet compass]

Either way let's go back to talking about way to fix our single target it's way more interesting

[fringe marten]

Anyone who understands what the MDI allows realizes how it's different than live..simple as that. How do you think "you don't understand" the difference between being able to practice the same 18 key repeatedly..vs pushing up to the 25 range?

[uneven mason]

Make Devastator baseline, replace it with sudden death, unprune MoP Heroic Strike.

Prot becomes pumper central

[sand condor]

I want prot war to be a single target beast

[wet compass]

But I already made those suggestions we need something new less simple that blizz can feel "smart" implementing

[uneven mason]

Like they felt smart giving Protection warriors WW again?

[wet compass]

giggles

[strong forum]

I wanna slap aoe first and foremost

[wet compass]

but raids are primarily single target

[strong forum]

I can deal with low ST dmg, just lemme slap m+ dmg

[wet compass]

fuck aoe 😛

[strong forum]

Not this weak 4k overall shit

[wet compass]

Wait guys I have the best idea

Devastator baseline

and in its place

[uneven mason]

Rumbling Earth - shockwave no longer stuns but does 500% attack power in damage split between all targets

[wet compass]

TD rank 9

[uneven mason]

its a choice!

between offense and defense

[strong forum]

500% atk power, not split, not capped, increases dmg if its strikes only 1 target by 500% again

Class fixed

[uneven mason]

yassss

[signal plover]

To the mooon

[wet compass]

lol

I like my td idea though 😦

[strong forum]

1 button spec

[uneven mason]

It has such a satisfying sound too

BOOM

while they're at it they could uncap DR

mmk

[sand condor]

Be nightfae?

[wet compass]

If you want to think about what blizz might realistically add take a look at torghast powers imo

[uneven mason]

🤔 What if they changed TC to deal Nature damage again?

[wet compass]

like shield slam causing ww could absolutely see a leggo for that

[strong forum]

Cba swapping covenant

Too lazy

I like my spear and phial

[wet compass]

seriously fuck regrinding renown too

[sand condor]

I just want blizzard to care about us

Like they care about dh

[uneven mason]

they don't care about DH

thats how they spec went live in its current state

[strong forum]

Eh they don't care about tanks

[wet compass]

Thing is DH was made by people still working there

so it's their baby

[strong forum]

Not rly

[uneven mason]

Made by people who play DHs

[wet compass]

like monk was for a while

[strong forum]

Disc priest is

Tanks are usually ignored

Largely*

[wet compass]

Nah the thing is nobody at blizz can actually play disc to the level it's broken I honestly think that's the issue

[strong forum]

It's a miracle that we get anything at all tbh

[wet compass]

like have you seen Ion's logs

[strong forum]

Yes

[sand condor]

What does ion play

[strong forum]

I know he's a notorious grey logger

[wet compass]

resto shaman

[strong forum]

Rsham

[wet compass]

very very very badly

I feel bad for ej having to carry him

[strong forum]

He's an amazing RL tho so it somehow works out

Well EJ is his guild

Right

[wet compass]

meh rl is less important if you're a video guild imo

yeah it is

[strong forum]

He's GM and RL

They're not doing well for raiding 3 days tho

So not much carrying

They're moving at regular 2 day raiding pace

[wet compass]

I mean all their damage and healing except him pretty much parses orange/pink usually

least last time I looked

[crisp dragon]

Can anyone explain, why I need to pull 99 healing logs with like 69% active mitigation to just survive Council, are my healers really that shit?

[wet compass]

not necessarily

[strong forum]

You just like pressing ignore pain alot idk

[wet compass]

look at how much damage your raid is taking that's avoidable

[crisp dragon]

It's fucking retarded how much I have to do myeslf

[wet compass]

also spin to win block 🙂

[fringe marten]

I wish our "This would be reasonable, within our class fantasy..and would bring us up to par with everyone else in damage/sustain/whatever you want to address" ever matters. What actually happens is..they retune a legendary in a way that is good, and would have us change how we play..rotationally speaking..a good bit. That seems like a more ambitious and random thing to do than just...increasing the damage that TC does or something.

[strong forum]

Oh kek I also pull 99 healing logs on council

[fringe marten]

Respectively speaking...we never got back the % of damage they clipped off of Tclap when they nerfed it a bit over half way through BFA right?

[strong forum]

Guess it's a progress thing

Cuz you fuck up so much during progress

Phases taking too long, dmg intake being high early on

Yada yada

I don't feel like I'm taking any dmg on that boss as tank

So idk what you mean with "how much you have to do yourself"

[fringe marten]

Even including the stat squish..I'm guessing they never brought back Tclap in line with what it 'was' baseline..before it became too strong due to the build every warrior ran all of BFA.

[deep steppe]

not even close

they gutted it

[strong forum]

They nerfed TC base AP formula

[fringe marten]

Yeah...that's why clap is so trash now.

AND nerfed it's formula on top of it?

[wet compass]

yup 😦

[strong forum]

Yes

That's why it's so weak

[fringe marten]

...? guys..like? Why do they do this..with so many classes/abilities/etc

[strong forum]

Overcorrection

[crisp dragon]

@strong forum u havent killed Council urself, how far are u into the fight

[strong forum]

Not far enough

Like 40 pulls in

[fringe marten]

through an expac they gut stuff, nerf it..smash it into the ground, then when a new tier or xpac rolls around, they FORGOT what they did to it...so a class or ability will stay weak for far too long.

[crisp dragon]

Yeah, please come talk again when you hit p3

[sand condor]

Man

[deep steppe]

👀

[strong forum]

P3 is pure tank dmg with dh kiting I know

[sand condor]

Is prot channel always this hostile

[deep steppe]

no

[wet compass]

We are warriors not monks

[vague jetty]

Siinson, saying you “have to do everything yourself” because you have to try mitigating as much as you can, which you know, is one of the major goals of a tank, is a shitty attitude to have as a raider

Just saying

[fringe marten]

IE...remember the Nightwell in Legion? "oops..we forgot we absolutely demolished Ignore pain 2 weeks into legion..and we intended that to be your major magic mitigation...yup sorry about that...here's 30% of your ignore pain BACK" after a month of progression in nightwell being so painful.

[wet compass]

on the other hand if the healer was healing more he could execute more sooooo

[fringe marten]

"oh and..we'll make spell reflect useful too...yeah sorry we forgot your class existed and we nerfed the shit out of you.."

[vague jetty]

That is....a completely single cell minded though process to have

[wet compass]

Apparently the soooooo didn't make sarcasm obvious I have failed

[fringe marten]

I understand that they are a respectively small team of people, handling each major aspect of the game... But if you hit something with a sledge hammer. you just can't 'forget' you did that...fixing the sledge hammer damage I would think would be 'first' on the list when addressing balance for a new tier or xpac.

Instead... "oh DH's can fly around too much in pvp...that's at the top of our list for fixes before class balancing.."

[uncut fog]

So as a guy who might gonna tank on his prot warrior what covenet is best? I am kyrian atm but what about going in to the next tier? I have hear alot about Necro going to be better?

[strong forum]

Necro has potential to be maximum simp raid dps increase

For general use kyrian/NF will prove the most useful

[fringe marten]

I'm considering swapping to nightfae just because the friggin' DPS increase from those..? burrs...is ridiculous.

[strong forum]

In higher rated guilds there's a chance pwar will be meta tank, but that depends on how bad or good havoc / WW turn out to be

[fringe marten]

Our guardian druid sometimes out dps'ing me on single target now...like..WTF? and mass aoe

[strong forum]

For the amazing not at all annoying class fantasy buffs

Guardian druid is among the highest dps tanks

[uncut fog]

Yea I heard about that being the case, I am maining brew atm but thinking about swapping to warrior because it would be better for guild set up

[strong forum]

Guardian druid has 2nd highest ST from what I've seen

[fringe marten]

Yeah..and that is disgusting as far as I'm concerned.

You don't have the fat bear, who is one of the toughest tanks (functionally, and through class fantasy) also be doing max damage.

If prot warrior isn't the toughest, doesn't have the best mobility..AND isn't doing the most damage.... Why exactly do I exist???

[strong forum]

Because at the end of the day you play a video game for fun

Not to be mathematically the best option

And only to min max

Alot of people often forget about that part

[fringe marten]

To a degree that's true; if I was only concerned with performance I wouldn't be married to prot warrior for life..

However; there is usually at least a niche we fall into..something we are the best at among tanks.. currently that's ..not a thing.

[strong forum]

If not for pwar I would have quit in 8.0

Would've come back in 8.3 for a bit

We're best at physical mitigation, we're one of the better raid tanks

Wdym

High mobility tank with strong defensives and a raid CD

Pwar is better than brewmaster, only thing brew does better is dmg

So. Yuh

And brew bring their stupid 5% buff

Smile

[uncut fog]

So as a new warrior who wants to min max in a raid invorment is it smartest to go necro? 😄

[fringe marten]

Yes but atm that physical damage mit doesn't 'matter' it's not like "oh man it's so hard for X tank to tank this boss..but warrior is breezy" It WOULD matter in keys, but we still have to kite to some degree anyway.

[strong forum]

If you can properly play around necro and pair it with your dps players to maximise dps gain, sure probably

Potentially

[fringe marten]

I didn't say we're bad...I know limit used warrior in WFR..and I tank mythic raids in a dps spec most of the time; but..in raids 'any tank' will do, they're designed that way. M+ is where niche matters...where doing tons of damage, or being WAY tougher than another given tank matters...we don't have any of that; and we used to.

[vague jetty]

Tbh

Tank balance for raiding is closer than it has been during a lot of previous tiers

[uncut fog]

Allright thanks

[vague jetty]

As a collective group

[strong forum]

I'll maybe swap to necro, will see

[wanton condor]

I mean, there's a total of 3 tank mechanics over the course of the raid so mainly you bring them to fill raidbuff slots

"do we lack a WW? Brew. HDH? Vengeance. Warrior? Prot."

if DPS DKs are bad and you need grips you bring a BDK, etc

[wet compass]

Wait nome you don't tank to be the raid simp?

I was told that tanking was similar to wanting to be fin dommed 😛

[sand condor]

Wait

Tanking = Simping?

[wet compass]

At least at a world level yeah pretty much

[sand condor]

That would imply females in your raid group

[wet compass]

you are there to be the utility bitch

imagine thinking you can't simp to guys

fucking sexist here folks 😛

[sand condor]

Well

Simp specifies female parts

But the concept of behavior can be applied to even a rock

[silver trout]

🤦‍♀️

[waxen cradle]

I honestly just want to stop feeling like I do such shit ST/AoE damage as Prot Warrior and to be fair I will be considerably happy. When there are so many tanks that shit all over our damage it feels bad man

[fickle timber]

That will be some nice upgrades

Seismic reverb

Blaster tank

Add on best served cold

[wanton condor]

BSC + reprisal will also be sexy

[golden pollen]

That's gotta be the go to legendary unless major nerf lol

[sick sentinel]

i was married to prot warrior as well, but i just simply will not play on sanguine weeks any more

literal no login besides torghast last week, outright refuse to pug sanguine keys any more

[solemn magnet]

What's wrong with sanguine?

[floral pewter]

the dungeon or the affix?

[wanton condor]

Also wasn't it two weeks ago

[sick sentinel]

i just wont do it, not worth the headache

rather go dps or something

[deep steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/nacho-why-confused-jack-black-gif-8714598

[floral pewter]

I mean, sanguine depths can indeed go fuck itself

sanguine the affix is... like the least-bad affix around

[toxic otter]

no, that's volcanic

but sanguine is pretty close

[deep steppe]

but you

you just

you just

move

[toxic otter]

same for volcanic but you can't get a caster or ranged mob stuck in it

[deep steppe]

yeah but you just

prio them or move before hand or kick the cast so they move

[toxic otter]

but it does happen

[last mason]

im convinced 19s arent puggable

[chilly brook]

Sanguine is ez pz

Oh hey mobs are like 5% I should start moving slowly

[last mason]

1700-1900 bracket is defs the worst io bbracket

everyone thinks they should be 2400

and think meta is why they arent there

or not having a team

so much ego

[solemn magnet]

Sounds like the 1200-1300 bracket I'm going through xD

[patent osprey]

sounds like the bracket I'm in too

[last mason]

you have a pretty solid group though dont u pika

really exhausting tbhb

thinking maybe i swap to holy

from prot pal

idk

[coarse kestrel]

So the more I think about it the more I think kyrian is the worst for raid on like nearly every boss

[patent osprey]

uh my group has been changing almost weekly. the only constant person I've been playing with is ryfie (rogue)

most recently I have had the same healer last 2 weeks. other 2 dps kinda rotate based on whoever is around

[last mason]

Love ryfie

do you run into egos/meta slaves where youre at also

[patent osprey]

yeah all the time

people at like 2200 thinking they should be 2400

2400 thinking they should be 2600

and then 2600 thinking they should be 3k ^.^

end of the day, M+ is about how many reps you can put into it. most people will never ever be nerf or nao. Cause most people don't have the same time. not to say they aren't skilled

but skill has to be something built overtime through solid practice

they didn't get there by playing 2-3 hours

[last mason]

agree, the biggest issue i always run into, as you said, is nobody really wants to take the time to learn

they just want to time keys

and when they dont, they just disbband and move onto the next group of people and rinse repeat

its so exhasutin

[golden pollen]

That's pug life

Better to find a guild that wants to do stuff

[outer spoke]

For people like this, blizzard need to bring a debuff like 20min for leaver

[last mason]

i dont really care about people leaving keys when theyre clearly depleted, i just would rather people realize that it takes practice to be good at something

[tardy parcel]

plka, I just have to say... you have a really positive attitude while pushing super-high content, it's really refreshing and pleasant to see lol. keep being you

[outer spoke]

You right but i saw people leaving after first group

[rotund parcel]

people dont realize that even if key is giga binned, practice is practice. you learn even from the binnest of keys.

[mint kite]

hey can i gap shield block with demo shout and ignore pain?

[rotund parcel]

and when you can do key after being awake for 40 hours flawlessly because its legit been hardwired into your muscle memory and autopilot does the entire thing without you having to even think

[last mason]

people just dont realize how many depleted keys there are behind nerfs group and those chinese players that do the 26s

[rotund parcel]

you dont gain anything from leaving a key, cept maybe a repair bill.

you do get a reputation as leaver tho, people remember. i had a list on paper that i taped to the side of my monitor during legion

[silver trout]

yep

[rotund parcel]

erry leaver was on it, what key it was and why they left.

[last mason]

leaving a key is fine imo if the key is clearly depleted

[rotund parcel]

should be keyholders call imo

[last mason]

esp if the people are only in it for io

[silver trout]

I feel like someone should make a rage quit add-on for tracking this.... lol

[rotund parcel]

think that would be a bit too open to abuse

liek if someone did bin damage in a key cuz was just having a bad day or something

people would add

like holy shit few days ago i legit did full retard moment in sanguine and pulled trash before 1st boss into 1st boss

insta wipe

many laughs were had

[silver trout]

true

I've sort of kept track but generally the pop is so high that there are very few chances, this would ofc be dependent on pop size for a given key range

[rotund parcel]

yeah, the people that always leave will probably spend far more time in that bracket so you'll escape them anyway

and get to enjoy the new brackets leavers

:(

[outer spoke]

Problem is, people want just the meta classes, i am joining and get instant flame like if u suck its u fail, or you are warri please dont suck on dps, but in this keys i do more dps than one of this flamer as tank or if i go fury i do like 5-6k allover and them like 3k

[rotund parcel]

actual truth.

[outer solstice]

you can even stormbolt the 5% mob 😛

[rotund parcel]

the worst thing for m+ is legit youtube

i swear to god

people that think you need meta comp to do 15

[outer solstice]

I am actually thinking about just buying 4 15 runs per week xD

[outer spoke]

And i am not a pro i play like 2 hours a day and my rio sucks and cn i only saw ik lfr 😂

[outer solstice]

to not mess with M+

but still get the shinies

[rotund parcel]

i did one key last week, 2 hours before reset.

[outer solstice]

works

I guess

[rotund parcel]

got 226 ring :D

[outer solstice]

haste?

[rotund parcel]

naw crit vers

#parrymeta

[outer solstice]

off hurts

[rotund parcel]

have two 226 ring, both crit heavy lolz

[outer solstice]

I'd actually consider 220 rings with haste over them I guess

no strength on them ^^

[rotund parcel]

sire is not kind to me.

[rigid elm]

Because I'm bad and need to avoid over capping. Lots of things change the cap like Torghast powers so it gets annoying factoring them all in dynamically

[rotund parcel]

yet to see ring.

[outer solstice]

why not use one that is already developed?

[chilly brook]

But the actual value of IP is incredibly useless information

[outer solstice]

they work a lot better than homemade stuff

@chilly brook well.... it's tiny epeeen

[chilly brook]

You just either need the defensive or to dump rage in that moment or you dont

[rigid elm]

sure, the % is all that matters and the time remaining

[chilly brook]

But the time remaining is still useless

[outer solstice]

nah

[rigid elm]

shrug, I didn't like the other ones. This fits into the Afenar Wa really well I think

[chilly brook]

Its gonna get eaten up far before it falls off

[outer solstice]

not always

[rotund parcel]

imagine ip actually lasting the duration

lolz

[outer solstice]

sometimes extending it can be worth it

@rotund parcel you know when you're off tanking you can already build up an IP for when you taunt?

[chilly brook]

What do you need a %age for on IP?

[chilly brook]

Why would you

[outer solstice]

because my healers suck

and damn hungering destroyer hits...

and them complaining because they only doing 3k HPS

[rotund parcel]

if our hpal gets sat i genuinely go full turtle mode for raid.

[rigid elm]

The % is of the cap. So if >50% I know another use will over cap

[outer solstice]

well mine just shows red

when I'm over 50%

[chilly brook]

[outer solstice]

that's how my farm-boss logs look as well

but what is that thing 2nd to the bottom?

2 casts of that? eeewwww

[rotund parcel]

my god hungering, i beg to get sat every time we reclear. takes 2 hours to kill still and fight is so boring for tank

[chilly brook]

People overthink IP

A lot

[outer solstice]

progress

kill me plz

nearly 2k HPS

farm ^^

[rotund parcel]

hahaha i did enjoy when we were progging on sun king, almost every pull id get a 100th percentile healing parse

[outer solstice]

hehehe

[rotund parcel]

kinda cooked

[outer solstice]

oh I just went arms

and blasted shield

[rotund parcel]

how is night fae for raid btw?

[outer solstice]

amazing

burrs deals big damage, and you have a big bursty CD that you can use after avatar/demo that also gives you biiiiiig mastery and max HP after using

also 2 defensive, 1 offensive, 1 utility conduit

and soulshape is just extra movement 😛

love it

[chilly brook]

Inerva prog

[outer solstice]

well inerva is a DPS race

only 4 SR ? but 6 avatar? you keeping it for something specific?

[chilly brook]

No need to SR if the add dies before it casts on me

[rotund parcel]

i kyrian so i get the 2 def 1 off 1 uti conduit too, i think im going to go night fae as soon as i finish the path of ascension tbh

aftershock looks super nice for m+

the interrupts amagawd

[outer solstice]

oh well the dot is magical isn't it?

[chilly brook]

Only had 20 IP casts on first Hungering kill

Yea but why reduce the damage when my healers could parse

[outer solstice]

well you probably have healers that can pull more than 3k HPS ...

in some of the tries I healed myself more .... than all healers combined on me

and our raidlead asked why I died...

wasn't full for like .... 180 seconds

[chilly brook]

[rotund parcel]

last hungering kill our hpal healed me for 90k.

entire fight

[outer solstice]

well there are more healers than 1

[chilly brook]

I honestly probably coulda cut my IPs in half on hungering prog

But we did dummy strat

[rotund parcel]

yeh, but we take the hpal as our tank healer really

[chilly brook]

And I took a lot of extra damage because of it

[rotund parcel]

feelsbadman

[outer solstice]

oO we let them ffa ... btu on hungering they are assigned to groups and still mess up

that was our kinda best try

[rotund parcel]

i looked it up, i got 7 flash of lights and a holy shock

6m44s

awkward.

[outer solstice]

yeah kinda

[rotund parcel]

239hps

on me

[outer solstice]

oh well, I hope he at least kept the group up

[rotund parcel]

15% of heals on self.

more awks

[outer solstice]

nah

not if he soaks

all the time

[rotund parcel]

they didnt :(

i have vendetta against them also

so that doesnt help

im sure other people were doing full retard stuff too

but tunnelvision on the one i dislike

[patent osprey]

😍

[outer solstice]

yes yes I agree

you amazing

❤️

[inland garnet]

Hey! Any rule(s) of the thumb when tanking as Venthyr in a mid-level M+ 15-17? Do's and don't do's. I swapped to it today and still getting used to it.

[solemn magnet]

Pump condemn when you can instead of IP?

[twilit jay]

I am coming back for M+, how are we doing?

my guild is entirely waving me away from shield slamming fun

[inland garnet]

Currently trying to keep SB/IP always and pumping excess rage into Condemn when available

There is some excess rage but sometimes one gets carried away and starves the SB for 2-3 sec which is a bad idea, and it feels bad (for the healer)

Otherwise Condemn seems somewhat okayish defensive-wise, 300k-400k self-healing per dungeon

IP still a better defensive

[sturdy sable]

Never condemn in aoe

It's better rage spent in single target then IP

[twilit jay]

@inland garnet Thats how i was feeling when i stopped playing, magic dmg just hurts...one day blizz will let uss block missile damage too

[sturdy sable]

So condemn takes IPs spot in rotation

[inland garnet]

Indeed, it's better rage spent per absorb. But never use it for packs? |
There should be a rage inflow break-point (Haste + Talents + Unnerving Focus?) such that you can have both SB/IP always and still weave in Condemns here and there?

[coarse kestrel]

what do you mean by keep sb and ip up always

[cinder nova]

@strong forum Axe or Sword?

[coarse kestrel]

because situations where you use both at the same time are rare

[cinder nova]

I just got a 220 bead

[inland garnet]

I use SB and cover it with IP all the time unless the damage is unblockable (only IP then)

[coarse kestrel]

no man

quit doing that

unless there's a heck of a lot of dmg coming in, or some magic component you're worried about, over using your IP will be wasted

[inland garnet]

What do you do with all the excess rage after you keep SB all the time? Spent it on Revenge - not sure if I am keen on it.

[coarse kestrel]

spend that rage on a chad ability like revenge

[signal plover]

Why would you not be keen on doing dmg

Also, you can use IP as described as long as you're not overcapping IP and wasting the absorb amount too much

[inland garnet]

Yeah, I am using weakauras and do not overcap

Revenge is weakly tuned right now? Can't call it "dmg" 😄

[signal plover]

???

That's not accurate

Its a significant component of our dmg

[coarse kestrel]

It's like the entirety of our damage in aoe

[signal plover]

They took most of the dmg TC used to do and put it into revenge

[coarse kestrel]

if you aren't using revenge, and you're keeping IP up at all times, you are playing warrior wrong

which is fine man, but if you don't adjust you're just going to be gimping yourself for no reason

[inland garnet]

Interesting, maybe you are right

Well, the main job of the tank is to survive as long as he keeps aggro up

[coarse kestrel]

survival is the easiest part, you don't need IP up all the time to do that

[inland garnet]

But I will double-check Revenge, didn't pay much attention to it's numbers honestly

[signal plover]

I'd safely say you can probably cast revenge more, even if playing very defensively.

[coarse kestrel]

You're going to enjoy the spec a lot more once you start hitting that revenge and ease your finger off of IP

[inland garnet]

How much is your self-healing in a regular 15+? Even if I am keeping up IP, managing it w/o overcapping, I barely push 1.6-1.7k

[coarse kestrel]

you can block missiles.

[grizzled forge]

did they speed up the availability of renown when switching to a new covenant from what it was?

[inland garnet]

Unsure how it was 🙂 it's not super funny running around handicapped and/or sinking time into Covenant campaigns

[grizzled forge]

i had just heard that it was sped up from what it used to be but a month or so ago higher up would get toxic to get renown

[signal plover]

Self healing numbers aren't rly a good metric for us to judge anything atm. IP is sadly kinda weak and we're just not a tank that's ever gonna pump huge numbers there.

[median tulip]

Whenever my co-tanks start to talk about healing numbers (a DK and a Monk), I start to talk about Mitigation %

[inland garnet]

yeah, tell that to the average healer in lfg who is picking his nose while gaming while the poor warrior is having heart attacks each major pull with a bit more magic dmg

[signal plover]

but IP casts aren't going to be what saves you on those pulls. They'll smooth a bit but surviving magic dmg for us is much more about SW/DS useage

and SR

[sturdy sable]

Revenge is better rage per damage in aoe

Compared to condemn in aoe*

[inland garnet]

aha

[sturdy sable]

I'm still waiting for them to allow prot to cleave condemns

[inland garnet]

that would be great

[sturdy sable]

That's the dream

[potent fable]

Still waiting to get fury condemn