protection

[visual drift]

Yes i got it a few weeks ago via fault

[strong forum]

It's the most important slot

Don't look at it like as a 3ilvl upgrade, but only 3 ilvl away from not needing a better shield unless you can kill SLG mythic or reach 2.4k in arena

[visual drift]

hm true but 20 ilv on wrist are much stats too

[snow tusk]

for someone new to tanking: why is the shield the most important slot?

[visual drift]

it have armor and block, but block is the most importan stat here

[ebon hound]

It has the 'Block' stat on it, which determines the amount of damage you reduce hits by when blocked. Blocking hits is your primary form of mitigating incoming damage.

[snow tusk]

thanks

[smoky wave]

Heh, had another look, according to rio no one has tined 15s across the board as prot yet on my realm. Someone's 1 hoa off. Sitting on 11-13s myself with one 14. Might give it a punt this week

[visual drift]

So i go for shield hmm

[wet compass]

Why time as prot when you can play fury and have a dh tank for magic dmg debuff :P

[smoky wave]

This is the internal battle I have with myself every time I fail to time a key

[snow tusk]

well, pugs don't take a fury or prot, so why not get declined in your favorite spec?

[jagged pier]

eh? furys the better spec in pve now

its scales like crazy with prideful

and tank are always in demand i never have an issue

[ebon hound]

pretty sure +30% is +30% on every spec

[sweet summit]

True true

[snow tusk]

but +30 on MeTa class is more +30 according to pugs

idk, pugging sucks

people watching MDI and thinking they need exaclty those classes and only those

failing to see they are still doing +14 and being miles away from even being in the same key as MDI

[strong forum]

A good fury pumps in m+

Sadly

[snow tusk]

I know that

just looking at r.io tells me fury is very strong in m+

[frosty estuary]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=178808/viscera-of-coalesced-hatred?bonus=6805:1472

got 226 version on this trinket today

is this any good? currently have stone legion and anima emitter

or should i take weapon for offspec

[jagged pier]

its not as good as thos trinkets imo, its pretty meh

[median tulip]

It's single target damage, so meh

[soft prairie]

this is just a meme right?

[jagged pier]

yus

[outer solstice]

it can be useful.... there are plenty o weakauras that should tell you what you get when using it and you only ever want it for statws

way better for DDs though

[soft prairie]

yeah, thanks. I'll just sit untill we're done reclearing raid to see what I'll take

[icy veldt]

is thunderlord stil bis for m+ ?

or the shieldwall one

[soft prairie]

Think the wall is better

[remote dawn]

i am fan of wall

[sweet summit]

Theyre pretty much equal, its prefrence

[remote dawn]

and 9.0.5 rispal

[sweet summit]

^

[icy veldt]

ahh sweet , making wall- don't wanna cap soulash haha

[soft prairie]

this showed up in a wq, it seems not so bad?

sims fairly well on bloodmallet, for whatever that is worth

[tardy parcel]

Hymnal is good

[strong forum]

Very good offensively

[wet compass]

It's also better if your healers don't like to let you sit low can vary wildly if your healers prefer triaging to the max

[carmine ore]

hey guys just got lucky with a scale in the vault, what should i use in the other slot? i got a vintage and a spike

[remote dawn]

Hymnal in a m+ what DMG does it in %

[strong forum]

% are relative.....

Get that into your heads people

What matters is dps

Not %

My 164 hymnal did ~100 dps on average

So a 194 hymnal should do 120-150 dps, maybe more

[strong forum]

Spike

Double on use is trash

[carmine ore]

agreed

thx

[silk magnet]

Hey guys, I'd like to try prot warrior in mm+ and I was wondering how important a rank 4 legendary is to do that? I main arms in pvp and there are still two legendaries that Id like to try on my main spec before dumping soul ashes on a prot leg

[strong forum]

R1 for the effect is important, ilvl matters just as much as on every other slot, if you just wanna test the waters R1 will be enough

[silk magnet]

ok thanks mate, already got the rank 1

[strong forum]

You'll miss a few stats, but it won't make or break anything

[silk magnet]

I got the gloves with the power that reduces the cd of the intimidating shout, are haste/vers good stats for it?

[remote dawn]

and when i ihave scale 210 and Stone leigion 220 switch the stone ligeon to hymnal 194?

[lofty widget]

haste vers is good yes

[strong forum]

Id use hymnal + slg in raid

Scale + slg in m+

Or if its a lower key, slg + hymnal in m+

[remote dawn]

okay ty i run 15-16 keys i can test the hymnal

[pastel vector]

Am i screwed playing Prot Venthyr? I have to swap back to tank for our guilds raid group

[timber lagoon]

Nah you're good

[pastel vector]

any particular soulbind gonna be my best bet?

[sweet summit]

Honestly, just sim it

[pastel vector]

Sim the soulbind?...

[sweet summit]

Yar

[wild hemlock]

So 9.0.5 next week.

?

[sweet summit]

Who knows

[smoky wave]

It'll arrive the day after they nerf reprisal 🤷‍♂️

[fickle timber]

does anyone know if Forgelight Prime's stun proc shares DR with a regular stun?

[strong forum]

Don't think it does

[fickle timber]

i did a mid-level key to test out how it felt, and the damage+healing was actually not terrible - bron's healing saved a wipe on a boss

clutch healed the healer lolol

not to mention watching my durability go up over a dungeon was nice

i wanted to test out the hammer of genesis build - i actually liked it

[sterile moss]

the nice thing is that if the buff actually goes through then we're (more or less) in the safe zone, because they've been making it a point not to nerf legendaries

but we'll have to be on edge until then

[wooden spruce]

Hey guys! So question, i've been looking some wars on wlogs and noticed that on talents some use Rav with AM and others IF & Bolster; also another group caping hast/mastery while other (as i am) capping haste/vers....so what you think is more viable now for raiding?

[fickle timber]

ITF and Anger MGMT

ITF and bolster if you squish

[sterile moss]

I'm assuming ravager in raid means people forgot to switch talents after m+

[fickle timber]

or sunking/trash

lol

[wooden spruce]

nice, and for stats? (knowing haste is op)

[strong forum]

Yeah I forgot like for 3 bosses to switch out of ravager

Itf is just more damage

In raid

That's it

Stats you just equip ilvl > haste > vers

[fickle timber]

on multipl;e adds its also more rage

[sick sentinel]

i don't play warrior much any more, but what slot are you crrafting for reprisal, assuming haste/versa in most crafts?

[sterile moss]

legs

[strong forum]

Legs iirc

[wooden spruce]

thanks, gonna stay as i am

[delicate thorn]

is the reprisal torghast wing open this week?

[wooden spruce]

this week we have coldhear and soulforges

[strong forum]

You can get all recipes from twisted corridors

Just have to be a bit lucky

[delicate thorn]

yeah but that means I would have to do twisted corridors 😭

[strong forum]

Shoulda done more torghast

I got reprisal literally week1 i think

[delicate thorn]

I have done almost no torghast on the warrior because it's an alt

[sterile moss]

got just enough soul ash to craft a r4 next week. here's hoping for patch 9.0.5

[wooden spruce]

i got bored of doing it but i go to help my guild members

[delicate thorn]

I have made three legendaries at max rank on my main (Holy Priest) so I am quite sick of torghast

[solar oar]

Worth it to open vault in prot or fury loot spec? Thinking prot since shield but Fury since shit tank trinkets

[wooden spruce]

i still don get how the vial is good for tanking (knowing about dps), have it 207 and i still think im doing less dmg than equiping hungering trink+pvp haste trink

[sweet summit]

Vial?

[sweet summit]

Prot until u get scale and shield imo

[wooden spruce]

phial*

[sweet summit]

Phial is insanely strong on low target cleave

Like 1-3 targets

If you want more damage, you can always sim yourself on raidbots

[wooden spruce]

on m+10 on pulls of i.e. 5 adds im doing over 7-9k using rav, hungering trink+haste pvp trink, avatar and demo, but on ST im doing 1.9 (without hero)-2.2 (with hero) with same setup (almost the same for raid just changing rav for if)

[signal plover]

Well the good news is that you can sim for dmg so that may be a pretty straightforward thing to answer

[astral crystal]

probably not til week after next maybe?

next week is renown 40, end of the renown line

i think it makes sense to hold it til the week after

but then again hof is done, it's the wild west out there

[halcyon horizon]

Not sure yeah, they'll probably hold it

[signal plover]

Gimme them sweet SLG nerfs blizz

[sweet summit]

Delete slg

[brittle owl]

slg looks good from the retired bench wdym

[strong forum]

SL looks good if you don't play it

[sterile moss]

Blizz said the Sylvanas fight will be epic, but they're trolling us. Here's how it'll go: we start by fighting Sylvanas until she immunes at 50%. Then Nathanos starts shooting us from the ceiling, and Bolvar asks us to gather soul ash. Finally Bolvar is able to strike the ground with his hammer and we fight Nathanos to 50%, all the while fighting mawsworn that randomly fixate on people and do fanning the flames. Then we try to kill Sylvanas and Nathanos together, but Tyrande finishes them off

[strong forum]

Na we don't even kill Sylvanas

Watch it

She's gonna do another sike I was good

[sterile moss]

for sure

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-sight-annoyed-gif-15446087

And we all just sit there like

[jagged pier]

when a fight is epic ill give it a 80% chance Cho'gal will come out somewhere

[wooden spruce]

so epic, Med'an will appear

[lavish raptor]

Trying out prot. Have 1800 rating, enough conquest for either shield or weapon, take shield to 220 first?

[signal plover]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

anyone use GTFO and offtank sludge? I get a ding everytime I take a giant fist but I don't see an option to disable it

[jagged pier]

i dont use GTFO because i dont need an airhorn blasting in my ears

[sick sentinel]

👏🏿

[strong forum]

Never used gtfo

Especially now since bigwigs starts doing the blips aswell

[uneven mason]

I hate GTFO

They put in warnings on the most idiotic things and yeah, don't track spec stuff

[astral crystal]

this tbh

we just hit intermission 2 last night

hopefully a kill tomorrow or next week

[strong forum]

Gimme the sweet everything nerfs

[uneven mason]

like, it should be like "Oh you're prot, I shouldn't be annoying every time you get hit by a tank mechanic"

[sick sentinel]

interesting

[astral crystal]

KRYLLS

[sick sentinel]

do you only ever play a tank class?

[uneven mason]

I fury as well

[jagged pier]

no actually

but i can see when im standing in something

🤷

[sick sentinel]

bet

[uneven mason]

I have my DBM setup different for both specs

since I have to track different timers

and yeah, for general "not getting hit by stupid"

my eyes never leave my feet

[jagged pier]

^^

even in real life

[uneven mason]

I've got WA that become annoying (silently) to the sides of my vision focus

[jagged pier]

just stare at my feet 👀

[uneven mason]

when something important comes up

[sick sentinel]

you guys raid?

[jagged pier]

yep

[edgy bane]

yep

[sick sentinel]

ic

[strong forum]

Only play tank

And for some reason I also raid

But ive questioned myself why, for a few weeks

[outer solstice]

GTFO is mainly for DDs...

[sick sentinel]

yeah tanks normally become numb to avoidable damage thinking it's part of their class fantasy to be this meat shield so it's just interesting to hear you guys not really care about standing in that stuff

[signal plover]

Have generally found that you can get much better customization for individual mechanic alerts from big wigs than in GTFO

[strong forum]

No, we just don't stand in stuff

Ever

[jagged pier]

yer i dont stand in stuff

[sick sentinel]

bet

[jagged pier]

i can see if i am

and i move

[sick sentinel]

I'd love to get a fat parse on jakey

I know that guy never moves

[jagged pier]

eh?

[outer bronze]

what

[jagged pier]

i literally constantly jump and 'a' 'd' like a mongo

[outer solstice]

especially some of the advanced Weakaura packs :p

[signal plover]

Yeh

[uneven mason]

I avoid as much damage as possible, since during progression eating a pointless hit can kill you.

[outer solstice]

I stand still... and raise my shield

[jagged pier]

THIS

[sick sentinel]

lol

you guys are pog

good job

[outer solstice]

but yet avoidable damage is not acceptable to take as tank either

[sick sentinel]

stay safe

[uneven mason]

Dude gets to offtank SLudge once - thinks he is all that is tank.

[signal plover]

Don't be offended if ppl are confident in their ability to avoid mechanics

[jagged pier]

like i dont play with sound at all

so have to use my eyes

[signal plover]

We could also prolly tap the brakes on the hostility

[jagged pier]

🤷

[signal plover]

Dude just asked a question about GTFO

[outer solstice]

my co-tank on hungering asked me to tell him when to taunt...

as if I don't have some timers to watch out for

like 10 of them

[sick sentinel]

yeah I don't tank was just asking for a friend

[signal plover]

Goat bleat on BW is top tier alert

[outer solstice]

some ppl really think tanking is only about tankswaps

[uneven mason]

"Nah don't taunt, I got 🛡️, you good."

[sick sentinel]

Jakey was shy and asked me to ask

sorry

[outer solstice]

oh we know, no worries

[jagged pier]

yer cheers dude

[strong forum]

Confusion of the highest order

Me rn

[jagged pier]

ill continue to play without sound tho

[modern brook]

I'm glad im not alone

[outer solstice]

I mean ... that's kind how hungering works, the windows are soooo convenient, that you can have SB for a whole "phase" between big hits

[modern brook]

I cant tell if jake's guildie's being a memer or if we're getting trolled or if this is a genuine concern

[jagged pier]

hes not a guildy i know off hes just salty i can use my eyes

[modern brook]

😦

[sick sentinel]

nah I just don't think you can use your eyes

or ears

[modern brook]

As far as GTFO idk if there are any environmental damage stuff thats dropped on tanks very often.

[sick sentinel]

you're like raiding blindfolded

so brace

brave

[jagged pier]

i dont use my ears that why i dont play with sound

[modern brook]

like generally if you're getting pools your dps is fucking up

[jagged pier]

like u can watch my streams dude

if i stand in a pool i move

[sick sentinel]

oh I see

[outer bronze]

why dont you believe jakey doesnt stand in shit

its not hard to not stand in stuff

im confused

[jagged pier]

because he needs a airhorn to tell him to move

[outer bronze]

lmao

[jagged pier]

so everyone else must need one

[sick sentinel]

I've seen the wow population

I know this guy

[signal plover]

Yo literally either is fine

[sick sentinel]

he's a guildy

I know what he stands in

[outer bronze]

if you say so

[jagged pier]

yer you say so dude

[signal plover]

I think that's enough of this troll feed fest eh lads?

[strong forum]

Maybe wrong jakey?

[jagged pier]

i think it might be

[sick sentinel]

how mnay Jakey play with no sound or monitor?

[strong forum]

[modern brook]

#ui-addons-manager might be able to help you find how to turn off the blip, if you're interested in an answer to your question 🤷‍♂️

[jagged pier]

i can play without a montior now?

[modern brook]

You could alternatively continue pretending like this is a productive use of anyones time

[jagged pier]

that news to me

🤔

[strong forum]

What is happening

[signal plover]

Afaik jakey doesn't even play on a computer

[strong forum]

What's this animosity

[signal plover]

Get da hammer nom

[sick sentinel]

word on the street is that he is a mobile gamer only

[jagged pier]

jokes on you I only have a work phone

[sick sentinel]

whoa dude

[strong forum]

[sick sentinel]

don't flex on us with a job

[signal plover]

Big nokia lad

[jagged pier]

i wish paw

i wish

snake on the nokia

[signal plover]

I feel like a wow classic tank accidentally stumbled in here

And GTFO didn't warn him to get out

[jagged pier]

[signal plover]

So here we are

[jagged pier]

what do u need to move out of in classic?

[outer bronze]

maybe if i had airhorn on sire we would have killed sooner

duh

[jagged pier]

oh rain of fire

[signal plover]

Bro there's like

[jagged pier]

i member from my phase 1 days

[uneven mason]

I remember being told to stand in cleave for more execute rage on Onyxia

[jagged pier]

true that one

but i was there stance dancing to zerker rage to stop the fear as our dwarf priests couldnt press fear ward

[uneven mason]

TFW we had Tremor totem

[jagged pier]

would have had anything for that, like 1 min of asking for fear ward then just going fuk it ill do it myself

[uneven mason]

I mean, we still stance danced

[jagged pier]

then the healers shout at me for getting chunked a little be more for being in zerker stance 1 sec to long

[uneven mason]

but eventually we had like,, 14 shaman

downranked chainheals

no one dies!

[jagged pier]

just flash of light palys ez
👏

i actually hoping in on the weekend as my friends want to chill on TBC and i dont want to lvl again

did a ZG

was actually pretty fun

[modern brook]

I like the implication of TBC

In like 12 years we can play legion again :POG:

[jagged pier]

POG

[modern brook]

vintage m+

[jagged pier]

and wod before that perfect expansion to just raid log and the raids are actually good as well

[amber herald]

with the necrolord changes coming for the banner, what about the soulbinds?

any good?

[strong forum]

Emnenenni
Animenemmeni
Anemumene

[jagged pier]

only really one soulbind i bleieve

[uneven mason]

STRENGTH

[jagged pier]

and that enmemeneienei

[amber herald]

anemone?

[strong forum]

Emeni spotted 🔫

[uneven mason]

making a WA that plays altered beast "Power Up" when I press banner.

[zinc imp]

Hello everyone, question. My mythic group is pushing keys 13s+ and our tank is having some trouble surviving mobs. We tried a 13 SD last night and in the first two packs he got slapped and died. This is with shield wall, IP and demo up.

[uneven mason]

Cuz that dude gets buff

[modern brook]

Emeni competes with Hemnir?

[zinc imp]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/greymane/husky

[uneven mason]

when you grab an orb

[jagged pier]

probs standing in the traps on the floor

[zinc imp]

This is his armoury. Can someone take a look and see if it’s a gearing issue? Maybe stats?

[strong forum]

The skirmishers spawn animate weapons, those do magic dmg, he has to be aware of that

echoing thrust and traps are also very dangerous

Those should be avoided

[jagged pier]

also logs would help better than linking char

[signal plover]

^

[strong forum]

Gear is irrelevant

Unless he's 160ilvl

[jagged pier]

we need logs and numbers

[amber herald]

haste after killing an enemy is good in m+

[zinc imp]

Gotcha! Sorry, we’re quite new. I assume Warcraft logs?

[jagged pier]

yus

[signal plover]

Yeah you'd have to log your run.

[uneven mason]

yeah, if you're parsing and uploading them.

[strong forum]

Yare yare daze

[uneven mason]

But like, 99% Of the time, if the tank is using CDs

[jagged pier]

btw tip for the skirmishers if u stun them mid cast of anime wep

they wont cast it again

[uneven mason]

its the DPs's fault for not providing support/ interrupts

[amber herald]

lol

[zinc imp]

Alright, I’ll keep that in mind. Thanks for the helpful advice

[signal plover]

Details can also help determine what's eating your ass

[zinc imp]

I’ll be back with some logs

[copper venture]

what’s the best way to practice tanking - should I just head into a mythic dung? im a 1500 rio healer, but tanking is a diff beast

[jagged pier]

i did notice u didnt mention SB as well

if hes not using that

he wrong

[strong forum]

So, avoid echoing thrust, avoid standing in the traps, stun the cast of the skirmishers that spawns animate weapons.

Those are the 3 things to do on those 2 packs

[uneven mason]

yeah mentioned IP

😟

[strong forum]

Also the most dangerous packs in the dungeon pretty much

[jagged pier]

just get tanking my dude

[copper venture]

and also - reprisal seems good... any reason to choose that over the wall?

[jagged pier]

dont worry about mistakes or anything

[uneven mason]

Echoing Thrust and Traps are basically u ded

[uneven mason]

Many reasons, for m+

[signal plover]

In m+ after 9.0.5 yeh

[uneven mason]

BUt

we should all just call it garbage

because it is

[copper venture]

oh, I need to read up on the 9.0.5 (potential) changes

[uneven mason]

compared to other tank legos

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Reprisal will be bis for m+ in 9.0.5, more min maxy shit will come later down the line

[copper venture]

the wall seems boring tbh

[strong forum]

Which leggo isn't?

[jagged pier]

all our leggos are boring

[strong forum]

They're of minimal impact

[uneven mason]

welcome to our legendary selection

[copper venture]

lolol

[strong forum]

Charging and intervening to get SB is also not relevating

Will get muscle memory in like 15min

Maybe less

[copper venture]

sb?

[uneven mason]

Shield Block

[strong forum]

Shield block

[uneven mason]

our core mitigation

[copper venture]

gotcha

[uneven mason]

as long as SB is up and we're facing our foes

very little hurts us

Like, doing a DoS +15 lastnight, and my party dies to bursting, I had a matriarch and 2 hatchlings left alive attacking me

I was still standing there tanking them when they ran back

[copper venture]

i was inspired by healing a prot warrior the other day who took close to 0 damage the entire dungeon

[uneven mason]

because just pure melee hits are lol

aslong as I have SB up

[uneven mason]

Surprising isn't it.

[copper venture]

he was hopping around a lot with leap, intervene

[jagged pier]

we are the 'worst' tank apprently 🤔

[uneven mason]

the tank meta is formed around kiting and DPS which we are the worst at.

[copper venture]

if I’m honest, that was my first prot warrior encounter >+15

[uneven mason]

But for raw tankyness

we're the best

POSSIBLY

[patent osprey]

errrr

[uneven mason]

Guardian Druids are close

[patent osprey]

i think bear wins at that

[uneven mason]

Vs blockable hits we're the best!

shush Plka

[patent osprey]

still :/

lol

[uneven mason]

You venthyr again yet?

[patent osprey]

bears in incarn can go up to like 15 stacks of IF

Lol

literally take negative damage

[copper venture]

bear with incarn on huge pulls are unkillable lol

and their lego

[uneven mason]

yeah I know, I ❤️ my guardian

but always warrior at heart

Guardians and their fancy 11second CD on ironfur

with erm, Barkskin

and that torns thing

with the HoTW healing

[patent osprey]

we are def tanky though ^.^

[uneven mason]

I'd say you're stealing my thunder here

but Blizzard already stole it in 8.1

RIP Thunderclap

[oblique pike]

i feel like warriors dont scale well with high damage

defensively

[strong forum]

8.2 was rip

Not 8.1

8.1 was max thunder

[uneven mason]

? We're pure % Mitigation, so our mitigation just reduces bigger numbers by bigger numbers.

erm yeah after 8.1

[oblique pike]

ignore pain doesnt scale with dmg taken though

[uneven mason]

I quit when they nerfed it (unrelated guild poofing)

[uneven mason]

It reduces dmg by 50% up to your IP cap?

[strong forum]

Ignore pain isn't our mitigation

SB is

[uneven mason]

I mean, 50% is 50%

it just happens that IP cast is tiny

compared to how it once was

it still good for smoothing

[strong forum]

We scale really well with high physical dmg intake because we block for insane amounts

[copper venture]

when it comes to loot specialization - any reason to go fury over prot? doesn’t even seem like you exclusively get 2-handers as fury

[strong forum]

Crit block and the 20k hit is only like 3k with IP up

[uneven mason]

If you want 2h you go arms

[copper venture]

wow til

[uneven mason]

arms assures no 1h

Fury can go either

[copper venture]

why didn’t I think of this

[uneven mason]

Prot will get you 1h and shields

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

Cuz people like to ignore arms

[copper venture]

any trinket diffs?

[signal plover]

I feel like you never go fury loot spec for any reason

[uneven mason]

eh

Scale in DoS

[strong forum]

No they're both dps specs

[smoky wave]

aye, fury is useful for avoiding

[uneven mason]

☝️

Avoid that

[oblique pike]

but fury is useless for getting that 226 scales with socket + leech

[strong forum]

You mean speed

[sterile moss]

but the buff lasts for TWO MINUTES

[smoky wave]

yeah you go prot in dos for the trinket disappointment

[uneven mason]

avoidance is the only tertiary worth stacking

[copper venture]

lolol

[strong forum]

Indestructible

[uneven mason]

When we're all necrolord we'll have slime that fixes our armor while we fighht!

[strong forum]

Speed

For all that kiting

[modern brook]

As Kyrian your armors already immune thans to miko

[uneven mason]

Holy crap, in 9.0.5 we'll get 500 anima from our souls quest

woot, wonder what else I can not buy with that resource

TFW currencies don't have a point.

[strong forum]

Can I just buy

Uhm...

[uneven mason]

Like offering to pay me with Monopoly money.

[strong forum]

🤔

Bonus rolls

[sterile moss]

wdym, I've looted tons of white cloth with my Queen's Conservatory

[uneven mason]

Which would award anima!

[copper venture]

you guys help out with mythic log reviews here?

[uneven mason]

or in #449510248579858432

[strong forum]

Sure, not me rn tho

Cuz im still at work

[uneven mason]

I thought your job was swearing at your group

[copper venture]

i missed that channel, ty

[strong forum]

We haven't played in 2 weeks

Literal raid log andy

[sterile moss]

the Sadge SD footage was entertaining I've gotta say

want more

[strong forum]

Could check my JY17 alt key I have on YouTube

That was top tier

[sterile moss]

will do lol

[strong forum]

So much sweating and screaming

Very funny

[brittle owl]

he also sighs in dissapointment and disgust as a side hustle

[strong forum]

Truuu

[uneven mason]

Where the real money is.

[brittle owl]

real money is gonna be when nomer appears on the just chatting section

[strong forum]

😳 on a slightly different website

[outer bronze]

would you go triple end if emeni on necro? 👀

or i guess the fc while moving isnt worth losing pot for

[graceful cobalt]

hi should i take Gladiator Neck ( 220 socked crit/Versa) or my 207 Gaizzelle´s Spiked Collar (Haste/Versa)

[jagged pier]

well its probs the thrid best for us as mastery isnt great for us, but if and thats a big if you can get the use of the buffing mechanic every 2 minutes fallessly its probably the best for raiding @outer bronze

[strong forum]

220

[graceful cobalt]

thx @strong forum

[outer bronze]

aye just looking from raid pov. might be rerolling from gdrui to pwar for 9.1. just looking at soulbinds and non seem that great compared to the NF options (burrs and first strike)

[tame garden]

Traitor

[outer bronze]

its not what it looks like

[tame garden]

[strong forum]

Man this JY key is actually so fucking hilarious

[jagged pier]

well the issue is its likely u might have to go like stand at range so you can minmax buffing thos players likely boomkins so u wont do anything while banner is up

[signal plover]

Fuck that

[outer bronze]

not worried about that at all, not too bothered about personal performance for prog, will just do as asked

[signal plover]

They move to buff or no buff

[brittle owl]

yo

fuck other people

[jagged pier]

yer but if that happens its likely melees will take it or the other tank so then the banner looses it value

[brittle owl]

you're there to pümp

and lay pipe

[jagged pier]

and banners not the best for that for us

[signal plover]

If you run out to range to buff em with banner you're either simping for your girl raid leader that plays boomy/mage or you're inting

[outer bronze]

nah im here for quick prog and ce dawg

[stark sage]

it just picks the 2 closest people when casted, they get the buff for the full duration even if they move out of range

[brittle owl]

more dps = quicker prog and CE

[outer bronze]

as i said im not worried abt banner usage at all, was just commenting on soulbinds for necro seeming pretty meh

[jagged pier]

they are meh

[brittle owl]

emeni is decent

[outer bronze]

wondered if im undervalueing emeni or if others are just even worse

[brittle owl]

rest are garbo truck

[outer bronze]

coming from nf where burrs and fs are insane

seems underwhelming is all

[signal plover]

That's kinda been the story for necro all xpac

[outer bronze]

fair enough, cool

[next pelican]

pretty sure you take heirmir for the serrated spaulder o think its called

[modern brook]

no you'd take heimir for marrowed gemstone and reveries

[narrow sparrow]

on mythic hungering, should you just let him punch you after taunt swap without shield block?

because seemingly right after he casts ejection

and mostly wastes its duration

[astral crystal]

hungering is 100% scripted

you can plan your blocks around his abilities

[sick sentinel]

should i use https://www.wowhead.com/item=184840/hymnal-of-the-path 194 trinket or 226 pulsating stoneheart

[snow tusk]

what should i wear? Hungering mythic trinket or SLG hc trinket?

[modern brook]

Its a toss up

I'd say hungeing for str gain

SLG probably pulls ahead with a SLG group

[outer solstice]

this @narrow sparrow keep tracking the timers even without bolster you can achieve massive block %

[tired cove]

you guys still use 4 patchworks to sim for aoe ?

[modern brook]

if i wanted to see my aoe in a prolonged 4 target situation yeah probably.

IDT aoe sims for prot really mean anything. most of our st is just our aoe buttons but like on 1 target

you wouldnt stop using SS procs in big aoe pulls unless you're not tanking any of it

[wet compass]

which is why free execute needs to be added to the revenge proc then it could actually change based on st vs aoe 🙂

[uneven mason]

Or they could make it so revenge does the same total dmg to 1 target that it does to 5

[wet compass]

boring

[uneven mason]

😉

[wet compass]

give us another button

[uneven mason]

Fantastic

[wet compass]

to hit with semi regularity

[uneven mason]

I'd rather not have button bloat, and just fix the core spec

[wet compass]

that isn't button bloat?

[uneven mason]

adding another button?

[wet compass]

you should be using execute under 20%

[uneven mason]

Yes

[wet compass]

it's not bloat

adding heroic throw to the core rotation would be bloat

[full fox]

is necro going to be bis as prot when 9.0.5 comes? im about to switch my cov from venthyr but no clue if i go nf or necro

[uneven mason]

[wet compass]

making execute be usable outside venth/20% isn't bloat

[sterile moss]

heck, making SS hit harder would be a good start

say a flat 20%

easy buff to st

[uneven mason]

Yeah, doesn't really give us a strong offensive dump tho

[wet compass]

I mean I'm all for execute being usable always but prot pallys might complain that we might come within a k of them 😛

[sterile moss]

[uneven mason]

Would take a lot more.

Execute is pretty "meh" itself, as evident that even during our "time to shine" on the DPS specs we're still pretty far behind half the other classes in single target.
It needs to have teeth to have any real impact, which it doesn't really anymore, yeah it hits hard compared to the rest of our kit...but an ability that hits for 20% more than a pillow is still just a heavier pillow.

Their design goal with prot seemd to be a choice between offense or defense for our resources, and that was fine, back when if we focused on offense, we actually did appreciable damage.

Now its more like a choice between holding aggro against your DPS's burst at the cost to your healer or defense.

[wet compass]

I mean if I go all out during execute I can hold 5k so yeah within a k 😛

[uneven mason]

for less than 1/5 of a fight.

so overall, nah

[wet compass]

I'm saying if we could use execute at will

[uneven mason]

Ah

yeah that'd be nifty

[wet compass]

we would probably be second highest single target tank if that was a thing

[uneven mason]

I'd be more interested in a way to hold aggro vs DPS burst that doesn't involve me having Aftershock off CD

[wet compass]

ravager?

[uneven mason]

Fire mages rip right off of Ravager

its a good upkeep tool

but need some hngggg kaboom

[wet compass]

idk only people I lose aggro to occasionally are rets

[uneven mason]

I lose aggro to rets too, but thats more my interest in watching them die

[wet compass]

if they just nuke on pull

lol

[uneven mason]

may or may not press buttons until they die or wings fades

Get back in the ♿

[oblique pike]

intervene them then charge in? lol

[uneven mason]

Thats basically what I was doing with the firemage

I was just hititng my intervene focus macro constantly

if AA was up though

It wasn't an issue

TFW Make Shockwave hit that hard

BUt still it comes back to Xath - even if we had execute for 100% of a fight, we'd still need to make the choice between offense or defense, since we're only REALLY tanky when we press the right buttons.

So increasing our damage in situations where its trivial anyway

[wet compass]

Or and hear me out here

I just happen to "forget" to taunt for a few extra stacks off the unkillable dh

and use that rage for execute 😛

[dark lark]

I literally let my dh co-tank/gm/RL eat 10 stacks of scorn while i spam executes for my parse

[uneven mason]

Need actual applications.

[wet compass]

I actually did legit do that on hungering but we talked about it at the start and it was planned

[uneven mason]

MY paladin co tank does that to me sometimes, because he takes damage like wet cardbard in P3

[dark lark]

That's an insult to wet cardboard

[uneven mason]

I know

Meanwhile I'm holding Sire for 18 stacks while we wait on a Bres

That wasn't a kill. Held him long enough for the Bres, but not much healers could do when I was taking ~26000 shadow a second. 4% wipe felt bad man.

[dark lark]

lol

[uneven mason]

If I had a 2nd charge of SW I could've survived it

[wet compass]

now if you were alliance that might mean you were missing out of hof because of it

[uneven mason]

UW use maybe?

[wet compass]

lol no

[uneven mason]

total /s

[wet compass]

don't even joke or some poor dude is going to come and see oh 2 charge shield wall that's good right

[uneven mason]

A lot of warriors came in and asked

when the change was first put in

if it was raid wide

it'd be great tho

its group

so its garbage

Also if the charges were not consecutive

literally gaining just htat 1 extra charge per fight feels bad, when TW gives you 4 extra charges in the same time period.

and gives you a ton more rage.

[patent osprey]

Seismic for life

[uneven mason]

I feel that the damage boost will be underwhelming

75% still feels "Meh"

doesn't address ST either

so its a weak option for tyrannical weeks.

if it was just "Revenge casts a 2nd time for 75% damage"
big 👍

[wet compass]

I'm telling you we need a leggo for protection only that allows execute at any health level

then we can go crazy with greeding for logs and it will be great

[jagged pier]

im telling you that should be a talent, and they should fix the base class before giving us borrowed power

[uneven mason]

COuldn't make it prot only, since they impact the same spells cross spec. So, we share arms spell ID on execute.

[uneven mason]

☝️

[wet compass]

Well it would need to be prot only because it would be broken if it could be used by arms 😛

[uneven mason]

ACtually, it'd bring arms out of the dumpster

very far from broken

for PVP You'd be sacrificing stuff like Unhinged, so not a big deal there.

[wet compass]

arms isn't in the dumpster?

it's mid tier

[uneven mason]

On fights that favor it

[wet compass]

along with fury

on fights that favor it arms is insane

fury on slg is as well but fuck that fight

[uneven mason]

Lets ask how our ST is
Sludgefist?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#boss=2399

[wet compass]

arms on sire if your tanks play around it is sickeningly good

[uneven mason]

Yes, cleave we're fine and dandy

[wet compass]

slude is unique

[uneven mason]

ST is where both specs are painfully weak

[wet compass]

yes but very few wall bosses are pure single target

[uneven mason]

beyond pain really, humiliatingly

[wet compass]

tbh they need to remove buffs and and the magic/phys debuffs

then classes can actually be balanced

[uneven mason]

This is true, so back to what I said - Execute for 100% wouldn't be broken on arms, it would actually address a glaring gap in our ST damage potential

[wet compass]

of course it never stops mages from being allowed to wreck face totally not salty

Dude execute from 100% would be broken as heck lols

[uneven mason]

What the issue is with balance is they increased NPcs armor by a boatload this Xpac

and didn't adjust classes that are purely melee to compensate it

[patent osprey]

lets not have a legendary like that. Itll just promote bad tanking practices LOL

tanks just using all their rage on execute lol

[wet compass]

but pika that's the fun of it 🙂

[uneven mason]

Yeah, like you'd see a ton of warriors be venthyr

[patent osprey]

yeah, thtas what seismic is for 😉

[wet compass]

it would be hilarious

[patent osprey]

and then u run the ashen jugg conduit

[wet compass]

yeah in M+ not in raids

[uneven mason]

If I could cleave condemn

[patent osprey]

infinite damage

[uneven mason]

or condemns absorb was on me instead of hte target

I'd just

[wet compass]

You say that as though I don't run ashen jugg already 😛

[uneven mason]

never leave

[patent osprey]

monka

[wet compass]

I wish the condemn was an aura buff for prot

[uneven mason]

Really why doesn't condemn cleave

for prot

[wet compass]

but then venth would be insane so 😦

[patent osprey]

cause u dont want tanks doing more damage than dps

xD

[uneven mason]

Imagine - Revenge! makes your next ST attack hit up to 5 targets

[wet compass]

looks at paladins

[patent osprey]

yeah the fix is to make all tanks do more damage than dps, not to bring down pally dps xD

[uneven mason]

But they were fine with it for like, an entire Xpac Plka

[jagged pier]

let me take you back to MoP

[wet compass]

oh god yes pleae

[patent osprey]

i can fk with that

thats a good change

[wet compass]

the only time I ever voluntarily queued for lfr was to spam lei shen kills

[patent osprey]

decently balanced and would promote a fun play style

[uneven mason]

Oh

even better change Best served cold to do that~ (Revenge causes your next shield slam or execute to hit up to 4 additional targets for 75% damage, 100% damage when made free by a parry or dodge)

[wet compass]

I honestly think for single target something simple that would help is just to make the free rev allow for a free execute instead

so a choice of aoe or st

[uneven mason]

I could live with that

[patent osprey]

also a decent change

[uneven mason]

so, sudden death for prot

[patent osprey]

u guys should work at blizzard

😉

[uneven mason]

They have a rule about allowing people who actually play warriors to work on them.

Its not allowed.

[wet compass]

bruh if I worked at blizzard I would have already put in covenant changes with no cd for rl cash and gotten employee of the month

[mighty cairn]

there's no way a 226 gluttonous spike is better than 220 SLH right

[jagged pier]

if you cant stack SLH it is

so in dungeons it will be

[strong forum]

this game is trolling

another week of stygia

last week it was 2 cloaks 2 helmet and a pvp trinket

[jagged pier]

thats what u get for raid logging

[strong forum]

now a cloak and a dogshit trinket

[jagged pier]

[wet compass]

yeah that's full on raid logging my bro

Not everyone can get a bis piece every week from doing a single 14 😛

[mighty cairn]

is the healing from spike noticeable at all is it another passive trinket you forget you have on

[strong forum]

its the raidlogging bro

[jagged pier]

it doesa damage

[strong forum]

i swear

[wet compass]

that darkfrost though

[strong forum]

what about it

[wet compass]

it's really nice what do you still need?

[strong forum]

i need artificer chest for tmog

[wet compass]

oh nome did I show you what I got from my last minute 14?

[strong forum]

😠

[strong forum]

dont think so

[wet compass]

🙂

[strong forum]

decent

i legit only want inerva ring and artificer chest

maybe phial

[wet compass]

got that and socketed death god's ring with avoidance in the past two weeks

[uneven mason]

Literally had my first HC sire kill, and did a single 15 to try and bait a trinket last week.
Got a 226 cloak and 213 Legs, Belt and Shoulders.
I knew it was going to be a cloak.

because my vault requires at last one cloak, and it has to be the highest ilvl

[wet compass]

I just need mythic sire ring for rings which I'm never getting lol

[lavish oracle]

Just do 10 15s ez 👏

[wet compass]

Or just do 1 14 a week and get a bis piece each week I prefer that

I might actually need to start doing more now because I have fewer and fewer slots to fill

[patent osprey]

u mean this ring i got 😉

[lavish oracle]

I'm starting to warm up to this dungeon set, I think

[uneven mason]

feeling like that

[lavish oracle]

SD and ToP still blow, though

[wet compass]

Working audit shift sucks 😦

[lavish oracle]

Not even like difficulty wise, just unfun

[strong forum]

i have HC version of that so thats close enough tbh

only 17 haste

actually a full socket

wtf

thats so much

[wet compass]

hard as fuck to find high end raiding with my schedule

[strong forum]

i mean what is high end

[lavish oracle]

I assume they mean cutting edge

In response to 233 ring

[wet compass]

correct

[signal plover]

Ok but what if like your butt is a bit higher than usual

That would be a high end

[uneven mason]

Paw with the boomer joke

[copper venture]

is there a list somewhere of abilities that will be blocked by shield block?

[uneven mason]

ouch man

[copper venture]

for example, in NW, can i shield block tenderize?

[uneven mason]

in the pins

its the 2nd pin "reflectguide"

[copper venture]

exactly what i was looking for, ty

so just to be clear, if i cast spell reflect on a reflectable cast, does it hit the enemy with it or is it only avoiding damage?

[uneven mason]

some deflect, some reflect

[lavish oracle]

The sheet should note on the side if it's a deflect

[copper venture]

tell me again why people aren't playing warrior? is it damage output? lol, my first impression is that they're pretty strong

[timber lagoon]

We are sturdy

Low dam though

[delicate thorn]

is Anima Field Emitter good for prot?

[timber lagoon]

Unless you're Plka

Yes

[strong forum]

very high skill floor, not very rewarding in terms of dmg output, lack of SelF heALiNg

[copper venture]

if you don't take damage, why do you need healing

lolol

[strong forum]

thats the point

many dont get

🙂

theyre stuck in BDK mindset that big healing = big tank

[uneven mason]

Doing m+ on fortified weeks with the BDK is poop inducing scary with how bouncy the HP bar is

going from warrior "HP bar doesn't move with SB up" to "Oh god I hope I can reach my DS button before the next melee swing to heal the 80% Of my health I Just lost!"

[strong forum]

Yup

So weird playing other tanks

And have your HP bar actually move

Very scary

[uneven mason]

Only Burs can relate

[strong forum]

[uneven mason]

I need to find that Bear image we had for BFA beta...with the shield and helmet on.

[signal plover]

O God the bear memes

Glorious days

[wet compass]

burr is for fite?

[uneven mason]

BUr is 4 tank

because at that point in BFA Beta

warriors were not.

Talk bout dead talents? We literally had tiers that were missing 2

[modern brook]

remember indom before it was cool 😦

[signal plover]

Early legion veng weaving

[uneven mason]

Remember Inspiring Presence when it was cool

I Mean, sure the conduit was nice

but its not #1 on the healing meters nice

[signal plover]

Member when IP stacked and exorsus stacked 2 of em for xavius and ruined everything

[wet compass]

lol that might be the fastest I have seen something nerfed that blizz thought would be a nothing

[modern brook]

bro i miss inp presence

what a talent

[wet compass]

It was mainly for cenarius Xavius was a joke

[modern brook]

Sigh i miss damage though tbh

prot warrior feels amazing rn until you look at the meters

[wet compass]

What you don't like dropping 99s and getting beat by pallys at 60?

[modern brook]

that sentence is literally all my favorite specs rn

just change pally with a relevent spec in its role

[wet compass]

what are your favorite specs?

[modern brook]

sub prot destro

[wet compass]

wait but destro always has a niche

[brisk notch]

you guys think it would help out us prot warriors with keeping aggro if they made some changes to revenge? like reducing its rage costs?

[modern brook]

sure but its worse at its niche than aff rn

[modern brook]

I have not had issues keeping aggro in general tbh

[wet compass]

rev isn't enough burst threat for it to mean anything also yeah I don't have aggro issues

only issue I have is my single target makes me sad

[signal plover]

Reducing the rage cost of revenge would increase our threat gen tho

[modern brook]

i mean yeah

[wet compass]

yeah but threat gen isn't an issue just damage

[signal plover]

Threat is mostly fine though.

Outside of snap in the first few globals (which is usually just mongo DPS and we have aoe taunt for that)

[modern brook]

ONly time threats been an issue is when dps pop cds without me and yeah challengeing shout was going to be my follow up

[brisk notch]

idk i just feel like we got completely bent rn compared to the other tank specs lol. we have to talent ravager and if we dont have spear of bastion we are pretty much fucked

[signal plover]

NF ability is good threat too

[modern brook]

I feel bent too, just not cause of threat tbh

give me ashen hollow plz

[signal plover]

Ravager is a good talent as well so no remorse about picking that in m+

[brisk notch]

like me personally and im sure 90% of this server would agree that if you multi role as a warrior its brutal

[signal plover]

Aoe dam honestly isn't bad but could be beefier

[modern brook]

Ehhhhh

Not having spear loses a safetynet for sure

no argument

but im p sure most of the higheer-rated prots here are venthyr

[brisk notch]

im talking specifically about condemn by the way

[modern brook]

at least Plka is

[signal plover]

Condemn aoe threat is non existent so yeah that's an issue

I don't think they're gonna change up revenge tho

[brisk notch]

and it consumes our rage that we need for defensives

[modern brook]

thats the slap tbh

[brisk notch]

yeah

[signal plover]

Better fix would be fury execute and having revenge cleave our next ST attack like ww does for fury

[brisk notch]

exactlyyyyyyy

thats what i keep saying

[modern brook]

fury execute would be nice hard agree

idk about cleave

we dont exactly need cleave

and if executes a gen its sort fo redundant (in that you;d already make spce for it in the rotation)

[signal plover]

I don't either

[brisk notch]

if they gave us the fury execute honestly would be completely game changing. it would be so damn good

[signal plover]

But if I look at vdh and ppal dmg condemn cleave could be juicy

[wet compass]

fury execute would be so sick

[modern brook]

w/ condemn for sure

[signal plover]

My main issue is just ST dmg atm cuz I'm a prot main

[wet compass]

of course then it wouldn't hit anywhere near as hard

yeah give more single target damage 🙂

[merry kestrel]

Thoughts on whether or not the banner changes could make prot warrior actually desirable for m+

[modern brook]

finding ST damage for prot is difficult cause its like

all of our damage is aoe

Or Shield slam

[signal plover]

just crank SS

[uneven mason]

Its this

[modern brook]

10k ss crits when 🙂

[uneven mason]

thats the answer

[signal plover]

I think that is the most straightforward answer

[uneven mason]

30% aura buff for SS

[signal plover]

It's alrdy highest prio

And it wouldn't rly affect any other synergies afaik

(doesn't rly help aoe snap which was the original point, but I don't struggle with that anyway)

[modern brook]

I would greatly prefer the damage to be in some kind of spender tbh

[wet compass]

just make execute 100% usable in prot

[modern brook]

I enjoy that our resource is a trade off between offence and defense

[wet compass]

will also raise the skill cap substantially with knowing when you can greed or not since execute burns a lot more rage than rev

[signal plover]

They can't give us slam since it's revenge for us

[delicate thorn]

make Revenge do more damage if it only hits one target?

[modern brook]

without adding anything, they should just make revenge do more damage when it hits 1 target

[signal plover]

I don't think execute always being useable will ever happen

[brisk notch]

on average how much are you guys using revenge in a pull?

[signal plover]

Yeah I think ikari mentioned having revenge do 5 Target dmg when it only hits one target

[modern brook]

often

I dont have a number for you

[brisk notch]

like even if its not procing you use it a lot?

[signal plover]

Yeah

[modern brook]

but if i have cds up and the pull isnt 90% casters

[timber lagoon]

Yes

[modern brook]

almost all of my non SB rage will go into revenge

[timber lagoon]

Slam revenge

[signal plover]

Lots of folks overuse IP when they're not in any real danger

[brisk notch]

literally me lol

[timber lagoon]

^^

[wet compass]

The other thing about not having a big spender is it feels really annoying trying to burn rage when not tanking to not overcap at times

[timber lagoon]

DoS and first packs in mists

[signal plover]

Obviously SB is highest defensive prio (against block able dmg)

[timber lagoon]

Use IP

[uneven mason]

Enjoying being weaker because we have to pick, while no other tank does.

[brisk notch]

im glad i joined this discord its giving me a lot of insight

[wet compass]

like you get your free rev proc then you get an ss proc and you haven't burned any rage in multiple gcds

[modern brook]

i enjoy the decision

[silver trout]

the answer is always more revenge

[modern brook]

Not that the tuning puts us worse while still being forced to make that decision

[wanton condor]

technically VDH does but in reality not really because their design is so poor

[uneven mason]

Well I would too if I felt that actually making that choice produce good DPS

[wanton condor]

as does bear but not in mass aoe

[uneven mason]

TFW they dont?

[wanton condor]

SpB vs Soul Cleave

[uneven mason]

uh

[wanton condor]

technically you get more defenses from soul cleave

[modern brook]

I mean thats not a resource decision

thats a talent decision

[wanton condor]

also of course the whole overcap style

[modern brook]

if you have spb you dont cleave

[uneven mason]

soul cleave is massive healing, the big AE attack is a 1min CD that triggers their best defensive? THeir brand is a defensive that does damage?

[wanton condor]

but again, in reality you don't really make that hcoice

[wet compass]

vdh can basically turn their brain off if playing the optimal spec

[uneven mason]

SpB is a big heal with big damage?

[brisk notch]

vdh is busted. even the vdh mains say it is

[uneven mason]

I see no choice there

[modern brook]

Whats the metamorphisis uptime like lol

[wanton condor]

SpB does less general healing than Soul Cleave and doesn't get you CDR with the leggo

[modern brook]

70?

[uneven mason]

Bears do I guess.

[wanton condor]

the problem is that the flow of the spec doesn't work so it's braindead

[modern brook]

bears share our resorce and also their spender is stinky doodoo

[wanton condor]

bears basically pick ST or mit, which is hardly a choice

in AOE you just mit, in ST you go with what is needed

[wet compass]

Yeah but bears at least have burst

[brisk notch]

that says everything

[wet compass]

F 😦

but hey we are over 1% now woooooo

[brisk notch]

lmao

[modern brook]

thanks plka!

[wanton condor]

Warrior just has the most awkward spending, but also the best thought out in some ways

in that you make real decisions

until new reprisal

[delicate thorn]

@brisk notch my main is Holy Priest and alt prot warrior, good thing I don't like M+ anyway 😄

[signal plover]

You mean new sesmic huehuehue

Mongo revenge go brrr

[hardy radish]

warr is just kinda missing a “press this to be a god for a little bit” button

not that every tank needs meta or bonestorm or something but like

[brisk notch]

which lego are you guys using the most? wall or stomps?

[hardy radish]

cmon man give us BFA avatar at least

[uneven mason]

I mean, survival wise we do

[wanton condor]

honestly just give rank 4 Avatar with a rolled in UF

[uneven mason]

Pressing TC 🤮

[modern brook]

Bro give me surrender to madness as prot warrior and i will fucking take it

[wet compass]

We need a major offensive spender raid wise

[patent osprey]

I wonder who that 1.1% is

[wet compass]

revenge is not it

[modern brook]

I dont give two whole shit about my not dying

[wet compass]

and execute is only it during the last 20%R

[wanton condor]

TC being 5 whole unscaling rage is big sad

[hardy radish]

flip the script and give us a button that makes rage generate constantly but if it hits 100 we die

[uneven mason]

TC using a GCD todo an auto attacks worth of damage is more sad.

[modern brook]

:))

i didnt wanna @ u

[uneven mason]

They could rename TC to :force auto attack: and

[wet compass]

Nah that would be easy to deal with just burn an ip

[uneven mason]

it would fit

[wanton condor]

I wouldn't mind the damage as much if it was stomp the ground and get real mad

or if Show of Force was crunky

[modern brook]

honestly kinda cool ngl probably doesnt work cause IP exists but the concepts sick

[uneven mason]

the issue is the base dmg on TC

is pathetic

[hardy radish]

would work for non-prot, cuz yeah infinite IP spam would ruin it haha

maybe something for fury some day

[wanton condor]

IP is class wide now, really just a risk for fury

[wet compass]

we need a spender of some sort for prot that single target focused

[brisk notch]

i agree completely

[modern brook]

only prot has no cd though

[hardy radish]

“Go Ape Shit”

[modern brook]

Fury and arms is like 12? 8? something

[wet compass]

and is a big rage dump

[wanton condor]

really? Huh, learn something new

[wet compass]

like 40 rage

[uneven mason]

New lego - "Reflects a portion of damage equal to block value back to the attacker"

[wet compass]

I mean worse comes to worse just bring back heroic strike but amped up

[uneven mason]

warrior DPS fixed!

[wanton condor]

I mean, if you want to be able to scale in ST you could just make Execute crunky

[timber nest]

hmm

[wet compass]

Execute already hits like a truck but it's only usable part of the fight

[wanton condor]

it's not like PLD or VDH have big ST spenders either

[wet compass]

we need a base rage spender

pld's rotation does a fuckton of damage as is

and vdh playing normally won't cap shit

[wanton condor]

the problem is that rage gen in ST is super skewed, yeah

[hardy radish]

call me a weirdo but.. I kinda want to be able to hit devastate some more