so you gain nothing
#protection
chilly brook
Might make sense to delay on a boss fight
uneven mason
AM puts avatar ahead of AA
chilly brook
Its gonna desync anyways
uneven mason
however avatar lasts 20s
chilly brook
And you'll be fine
shell hare
I’m doing a lot of learning today
chilly brook
Most of increasing your overall damage in keys is gonna be pulling around CDs and making big pulls and pumping revenge anyways @shell hare
chilly brook
Sludge pillars is the only time I've ever realistically delayed
uneven mason
mmhmm that 200% dmg juicy
chilly brook
And droman in mists
uneven mason
basically
if you need big dmg you can overlap Avatar, AA, Ravager revenge spam
etc
or you can spread them out
so you'll have big aggro per pull
shell hare
Makes sense tho I guess with pumpers you don’t need to avatar and AA it just wastes one and feel weak the other pack
chilly brook
For the most part slap everything on CD
uneven mason
but AA is chonkers
chilly brook
uneven mason
fat cat damage when you stack em up.
uneven mason
even fatter cat damage when you forget to swap signet off from DPSing and get Recklessness with avatar
shell hare
I’ve been tanking with signet because I haven’t crafted reprisal yet
Just doing some 16s
It’s not much but it’s honest work
uneven mason
yeah we're stronk enough that we don't NEED TW
or any of our legos
benefits of having boring lego
chilly brook
The Wall is so good tho
uneven mason
it is
chilly brook
Huge rage gain
uneven mason
I appreciate the rage for more revenges
uneven mason
I feel I should have pumped more on Sire
but I wanted to make sure to live.
since my paladin co tank folds like wet cardboard in P3
shell hare
What’s your guys warrior name
chilly brook
What'd you pull on sire?
shell hare
I want to look at logs
chilly brook
Kaleggula
shell hare
And learn
uneven mason
chilly brook
I swapped to dps tho
shell hare
TY
chilly brook
Ah yea my first few sire kills were around there
uneven mason
He's scary
like I'm tanky
but that DoT
big ouch
burning rage non stop into IP
until he hit 20%
chilly brook
I had to play defensive on sire until people stopped being dumb
uneven mason
and then the eyes turned red
20% on boss, both pots and a cookie off CD, LS SW off CD...
wet compass
Imagine no using every scrap of rage on execute:P
chilly brook
On sire prog its kinds sketch
uneven mason
and then I got a Cocoon
chilly brook
Even in heroic
Like it's one of the only bosses I've ever felt the need to press IP on
uneven mason
my healers know me so well
uneven mason
Like it's one of the only bosses I've ever felt the need to press IP on
Literally this
Scorn is quite possibly worse than Zul's DoT
and I can't scream for a BoP
chilly brook
Once healer get comfy in p2/p3 tho execute go brrr
uneven mason
our previous pull got him to 4%, co tank died at 14% and I had him for 18 stacks of scorn
HP was bouncing like a BDK
chilly brook
Yikes
uneven mason
25,000shadow damage a second mmm mmm good
wet compass
Use shield wall and you have a decent amount of time to execute:)
uneven mason
I used SW at 12
chilly brook
Literally the progression lol
uneven mason
that increase triggered the SSJ3 sound
and this - is going even further beyond! - fades to Sense's logs
chilly brook
Funny thing is I parsed pretty high on basically almost every first kill for every other fight
Until Sire
chilly brook
Oof
strong forum
uneven mason
WTF
Look at the # of parses
between Feb 2nd and Feb 27th
the # of prot warriors doubled
Betting its all because of Reprisal
chilly brook
I wish I was able to kill heroic sire around that time @strong forum
uneven mason
pfft
chilly brook
I just got trolled
strong forum
Sire I didn't kill for ages
Cuz I never bothered
I was 215 on my first kill on sire
chilly brook
213 I think
Sire was actually triggering
Never progged on a heroic boss like that
crisp dragon
Haha, you noobs, I was 207 ilvl
strong forum
crisp dragon
Killed him 6 timess
strong forum
strong forum
Good enough
strong forum
I wish prot had TG
No.
chilly brook
Jah
crisp dragon
Jada
chilly brook
Da
uneven mason
new meta fury off tank
Reprisal works for fury, gives rage and SB..
wind surge
well time to
crisp dragon
That's pretty lit
wind surge
tank with fury
mighty cairn
if you swap back to the same covenant for the 2nd time, is it the same quest chain as original?
uneven mason
if you swap back to the same covenant for the 2nd time, is it the same quest cha...
No, they make you do dirty laundry
sick sentinel
Charged stomp....I am spacing
uneven mason
It'll come to you
sick sentinel
Ohhhh
uneven mason
only 1 boss that steps on you
cobalt grove
So going through the pins, is unstoppable force not recommended at all for any content?
(Basing my question on the cheat sheet)
sick sentinel
Maybe once things progress in the expansion it will be used, but currently it's pretty garbo
strong forum
Na
cobalt grove
Good to know
cobalt grove
I had been using it for avatar/tclap synergy
strong forum
Yeah but it's just too weak, itf is more dmg and rage in ST and ravager is more dmg and rage in aoe
cobalt grove
Wasn't into the fray initially bad earlier in the expac?
strong forum
No, it was always raid talent
cobalt grove
Ah
For some reason I thought it wasn't recommended (coming from the beta perspective)
Guess I'll be changing up my tree when I get home then
uneven mason
Maybe once things progress in the expansion it will be used, but currently it's ...
They would have to return it to its 8.0 value and un nerf TC
cobalt grove
Tclap was so sexy back then
uneven mason
UF brings TC not quite up to revenge level damage during avatar
meanwhile Ravager is 1 GCD, produces more damage and more rage
valid finch
Hi guys & gals but i got a couple of choices from vault, both are critical * mastery for prot one is a ring 207 which upgrade a 194 which has haste versatility, the other is a weapon 200 from 190 which also is crit/mastery. was which i should prioritize?
cobalt grove
Word, I'll play around with it. I used ravager primarily on the beta, enjoyed it
uneven mason
weapon
uneven mason
Hi guys & gals but i got a couple of choices from vault, both are critical * mas...
don't worry about the stats themselves unless comparing equal ilvl
flat elk
Warrior tank Venthyr or kiryan?
valid finch
venthyr
cobalt grove
@valid finch to give you an equivalency of gear ilvl differences, 6ilvl is what 10 used to be before squish
uneven mason
Kyrian is stronger durability wise (extra pot) Spear is better burst AE
Venthyr has nice soulbinds and a big ST slapper
valid finch
i choice venthry because also run fury
uneven mason
any of our covenants are solid for our specs
if mainly prot, you'll prob want NF or Kyrian
due to the big burst in AE
cobalt grove
That slapper btw can be used in place of IP during its window
valid finch
but from i gather get weapon over ring 😄
uneven mason
NF is very competitive for M+ dmg on fury
uneven mason
but from i gather get weapon over ring 😄
Yes, weapon over ring
cobalt grove
@valid finch weapon wins because mainstat
valid finch
ok thanks
uneven mason
rings/neck are only above cloak/wrist in our priority
SHield > weapon > chest > legs/helm > shoulder boots etc...
flat elk
Im main tank of raid, im Kyrian but dont know if change to another...
cobalt grove
The ring stam increase is nice, but you don't gain strength to beef up everything else
uneven mason
I'd stay kyrian
valid finch
i really like condemn for both specs to me its really fun & im not in a big progression guild
cobalt grove
I had to sell my soul to venthyr because I'm a fury main
uneven mason
yeah if you're not pushing high content Venthyr is fun for slapping condemn
cobalt grove
Plus, running torghast as prot and getting powers that beef up condemn
sick sentinel
Those same powers beef up normal execute too though.
solemn magnet
smile
cobalt grove
It's shadow damage
sick sentinel
@solemn magnet Niceeeeee
cobalt grove
So it just bypasses armor mitigations
solemn magnet
i have a 223 haste MH. please tell me to get the trinket
solemn magnet
yah
plain hill
just got that one today too 🙂
solemn magnet
i need @strong forum and or @chilly brook approval, i think
cobalt grove
@sick sentinel also, the condemn benefit of being usable >80% makes it nice to one shot things with
sick sentinel
@cobalt grove Yea, but with the execute power up that only matter when it's before you hit 30 things with execute right? Once you do that, its available at any HP on anyone
valid finch
thanks for help & info.
chilly brook
If you already have a good weapon go for it
solemn magnet
which trinket do i drop?
cobalt grove
Yeah, just harder to max out the requirements since you're waiting till things are nearly dead and not just opening with a condemn
@solemn magnet hold onto both, use the spike for aoe tanking
sick sentinel
This might have been asked before, but when you switch covenant does your covenant specific conduit change as well so you can use it? or do I have to farm another one
valid finch
i just read on wowhead for vault priority weapon>trink>shield> ilvl, is this a pretty good baseline to go by?
if u change covs u start over
solemn magnet
the hymnal is 5% of my dmg and the spike is like 2.5% dmg and 6% healing
valid finch
but you can regain renown pretty quick
cobalt grove
Wouldn't shield be higher up there in priority?
chilly brook
Prolly spike
valid finch
i thought it would be but maybe because it vault drops idk
cobalt grove
@solemn magnet that's on a single target right?
chilly brook
i just read on wowhead for vault priority weapon>trink>shield> ilvl, is this a...
Shield is highest priority
That's a big yikes
Trinkets are like the last consideration.
solemn magnet
<@205499631579168769> that's on a single target right?
No, that's overall
chilly brook
is where i read that
That's written by llarold aka not Mwahi or someone in this discord
Idk he could actually be in here
strong forum
Well llarold is here aswell
chilly brook
But that's a yikes on the gearing priority
strong forum
Just not active
valid finch
so shield>weapon>ilvl/trink?
strong forum
Ye
valid finch
sorry for the noob questions just trying to not be bad 😄
cobalt grove
Shield slam damage is based on ap right, like doesn't factor in BV in its damage?
chilly brook
No reason to apologize
strong forum
BV increases all our class' dmg
chilly brook
Doing more than most players to get good lol
cobalt grove
@valid finch that's why these kind of discords exist
It's literally the first thing I recommend to underperforming guildies
Especially if my own knowledge of a class is lacking
valid finch
i just know whats it like to heal bad tanks in pugs so i dont want to be one if i can help it lol
cobalt grove
@strong forum didn't know it did, I just suspected it had a hand in shield slam damage
valid finch
also found this macro, it seems good unless that talent is no good
#showtooltip
/cast [@player] Ravager
solemn magnet
I would not use that personally
There will be lots of times you don't want to cast it at you
valid finch
so keep ravager or into the fray?
valid finch
thanks
coarse kestrel
does condemn's damage prevented show in logs
nvm found it under healing
wow big HPS lol
valid finch
Thanks for the help guys/gals but im being summoned to grill meat for dinner. Catch yall later
bleak plaza
where do yall get stat weights for pawn? if anyone even uses it?
shell hare
my haste is real low for prot. worth sacrificing the extra ilvls for it? only sims i know of are for ST dps
coarse kestrel
how low is real low?
shell hare
14% without it on
solemn magnet
Pretty sure no one uses pawn, could be wrong tho
tawny kayak
paper mirage
Which legendary should I make? The Wall still primarily the best option even with the patch changes / buffs to some others?
floral pewter
Shield slam damage is based on ap right, like doesn't factor in BV in its damag...
if by BV you mean block value, no, shield slam doesn't scale with that
I think Nomeratur took BV to mean the talent Booming Voice
idle current
anyone have any strong thoughts/opinions on this trinket? I've read differing opinions on it
cobalt grove
@valid finch use an @cursor macro for ravager and heroic leap
@floral pewter yeah I meant block value, sorry for any confusion
orchid mural
Need help deciding! I already have a 223 weap, and 226 belt ..... but is that trinket worth it!
dark lark
How often do you play arms/fury
idle current
the belt also has avoidance on it. hmmmmmm!
similar sitch for me, got a 223 weap already, its either 226 weap or that trink i linked above
orchid mural
i'd go with the decanter.
unless u don't do m+
nice to open every other pull with that trinket!
idle current
nice to open every other pull with that trinket!
its not on use, but think its p legit
also inscru is a solid trink all round imo
lusty karma
I’m seriously considering swapping to Venthyr
Think it’s gonna be the better long term play for parsing as Prot and PvP (maybe not M+)
Anyone else thinking similarly?
I think over time it’ll just scale to be the best
idle current
necro in 9.0.5 might be decent for raiding?
deep steppe
necro in 9.0.5 might be decent for raiding?
at very high end, people play around it yes. For the average person no
lusty karma
If intervene leggo goes live I think that can make up for survivability if needed
Yeah I’m thinking going for orange/pink parses in mythic rsids
deep steppe
Wall will still be BIS for raid for like 99.9% of people
reprisal will be BIS for M+ 100% if it goes live
lusty karma
Yeah it’ll be interesting, I think in M+ high keys it’ll find value if kite meta falls off
If Venthyr it’s more value because we can’t kite as well as Kyrian
Yeah wall for raid, really starting to like it
deep steppe
If you taking Bounding it wont mater what covenant you are kiting wise atleast
but spear can be nice for kiting too
just root them and leave
lusty karma
Yep it’s just one more utility if needed
I wonder how damage will work with reprisal
If sblock is up 100% then sslam damage is also perma-buffed
deep steppe
it should help us but
lusty karma
If we get to wear 2 that + wall could be insane
lusty karma
Yeah agreed
Damage is our weak spot right now imo
WTB Vision procs PST Blizz
Or bolster baseline #dreaming
deep steppe
AM Baseline 
lusty karma
God that’d be pog
signal plover
they literally just need to crank the knob on SS or do something clever with revenge
lusty karma
If we can get last stand added back too
They really have me looking at revenge between legendary and best served cold but I know it’s still worse
If they took it off the GCD maybe idk
Or merged it and IP
lusty karma
Even with conduit
If they tripled conduit damage maybe? Idk
Keep looking for PTR changes to boost our dps
deep steppe
same
lusty karma
Hate doing 2.9k and being orange parse for raid when Prot pally is doing 4.5k+
Even though they are made of paper
That’s why I’m considering Venthyr as well
lusty karma
Right? Lol
Me and fire mages basically top dps
Imo a good tank should beat bad dps, challenge okay dps and lose to good dps
Right now 2.9k isn’t that, needs to be 4-5k
Imo all tanks should work that way as well, we have nothing else to measure up with, there aren’t survivability parses
Should be bare minimum to survive then all dps
Well not bare min but yah know what I mean
lavish oracle
I mean, who cares about metrics
Like our damage should probably be a little bit higher but not so we can parse better, lol
coarse kestrel
paladins seem like they're made of paper but I honestly don't know if maybe that's just the paladin's I've seen
deep steppe
i'm falling asleep in raid my guy, i need the dam
next pelican
paladins seem like they're made of paper but I honestly don't know if maybe that...
they dont have the gear levels yet for 100% sotr
coarse kestrel
they shouldn't need it though
deep steppe
Paladins are squishier than us yes
coarse kestrel
like... I don't need to have my active up 24/7
floral pewter
If sblock is up 100% then sslam damage is also perma-buffed
I mean, it is a buff, but going from ~50% to ~100% uptime on a 30% buff to one ability comprising ~20 of our damage is like... +3% DPS
floral pewter
that's not bad for a legendary that also offers big durability and utility, but it's not going to make prot DPS competitive
cinder nova
It's almost a work of art.
lavish oracle
Dragon Roars not bad
cinder nova
It's definitely not used in like 95% of content
For a lot of obvious reasons.
More often than not the damage you get from BV can outpace it.
rough hazel
So what is this I hear about permant Shieldwall? Cant find anything on wowhead 🙂
deep steppe
So what is this I hear about permant Shieldwall? Cant find anything on wowhead �...
you mean shield /block/?
next pelican
shield block
cinder nova
The only time I'd bring DR over BV is if the entire fight was short-lived multi-target trash.
rough hazel
Yeh typo
cinder nova
That's so niche.
cinder nova
Or like itty bitty uptime
next pelican
reprisal
lavish oracle
BV only like really clearly outclasses Dragon roar damage if you have TL
rough hazel
thanks
deep steppe
BV only like really clearly outclasses Dragon roar damage if you have TL
i think thats the worst part. He has TL but picked Dragon Roar
lavish oracle
But I don't really want to get into the BV vs DR debate again
DR is underrated is all I'll say
floral pewter
just gotta wait for some fight that gives us a huge crit buff, then DR will 📈
deep steppe
outer solstice
the hymnal is 5% of my dmg and the spike is like 2.5% dmg and 6% healing
anime is better than both
lavish oracle
I mean in pure ST it just straight up sims higher
lusty karma
Oh I know I’m like wtf lol
lavish oracle
It's not gonna matter for much longer anyways, we go BSC with reprisal for sure
deep steppe
Will we?
lusty karma
Yeah I’m not sure on that
Well I guess it spans a revenge when you intervene as well
But flat 20% damage loss from BV
deep steppe
i think it'll be close cause
lavish oracle
Yeah, you're A) not going to need the rage from BV and B) it just sims higher in all situations
deep steppe
yeah BV dam inc
lavish oracle
The rage gen from reprisal is actually nutty
outer solstice
the rage save is even bigger
deep steppe
^
lavish oracle
From free procs alone you get so much extra rage economy
lusty karma
Right but does a single revenge cast best out 20% damage, guess it depends on uptime
deep steppe
but i mean just dam i'd be curious to see
lusty karma
It does save a GCD though yeah?
deep steppe
if revenge dam inc > 20% dam inc of BV
outer solstice
@lusty karma what GCD would it save?
lusty karma
Demo shout, does intervene use a GCD or no?
At least for rage gen
Guess we still have to use it anyways so nvm
lavish oracle
BSC is a damage increase even now, without reprisal
lusty karma
BSC + revenge leggo would be nuts as@well
outer solstice
just merge it into avatar
lavish oracle
Yeah, for pure damage seismic + BSC is nutty
outer solstice
and give AM baseline
lusty karma
But idk revenge always has the issue of having the rage/resources to use it, I know at start of expac this group didn’t like it at all
BSC or the revenge leggo
If you don’t need IP it’s huge
Maybe sblock makes up for that
But also IP isn’t on GCD and Revenge is
lusty karma
Yep
Right now I’m only using IP when I don’t have space to use a GCD on revenge
To get parses
lusty karma
If stuff hits hard of course I use IP more
outer solstice
Right now I’m only using IP when I don’t have space to use a GCD on revenge
oh yeah on farm 100%
outer solstice
0 IP on my best shriek M kill xD ^^
lusty karma
But I still prioritize SS/TClap over it especially if I need to consume my conduit buff
And sblock and IP if needed
Yeah that’s how you parse it huh
outer solstice
well on myhtic stuff kinda hurts
lavish oracle
I don't even prio clap anymore over it, haha
outer solstice
and on hc I can parse quite ok even without removing IP from my bars
yeah clap is weird
lusty karma
Waste of conduit proc though, maybe it’s not worth, tclap needs some love
outer solstice
I don't even use that conduit xD
lusty karma
If you run show of force
lavish oracle
Yeah, Show of Force is just bad
lavish oracle
I just run ashen jugg for my 2nd potency
outer solstice
and I actually stopped using phial and such things
@lavish oracle I don't even use 2 potency
lusty karma
@outer solstice are you Venthyr?
outer solstice
NF
lusty karma
I’m wondering if condemn would score even better
outer solstice
not in theory
lusty karma
Just use that over revenge on st fights
cinder nova
We're becoming Revenge bots?
outer solstice
aren't we already?
lusty karma
We’re getting our Revenge on Blizz?
outer solstice
never xD
cinder nova
I mean, my highest damage ability in most fights is SS
But it sounds like that's about to change
cinder nova
Reprisal lets charge and intervene give ShB too?
lusty karma
Yep
lavish oracle
Yeah
cinder nova
That's gonna be imba
cinder nova
It doesn't read like it casts Revenge.
It reads like it gives the Revenge buff.
Which you can then use.
Is that not what it does?
outer solstice
free revenge yeah
lavish oracle
Blizz is just basically determined not to buff us directly, I guess, haha
lusty karma
I mean to be fair it does make us interesting
So far there’s not a simple right answer
outer solstice
not the way we're balanced
cinder nova
Wait... with double time and intervene couldn't we theoretically get like almost 100% ShB uptime or am I late to the party? 🤔
lusty karma
We have lots of possible combos
lavish oracle
Maybe they're just waiting for 9.1 to adjust healer and tank tuning, I suppose
outer solstice
@cinder nova yep
lusty karma
Yep
outer solstice
tbh healer and tank tuning seems fine
cinder nova
It's literally 3 extra charges of our AM
outer solstice
it's tank and healer damage that is off
lavish oracle
5 charges
cinder nova
Question is, does it edge out TW as the prog legendary?
outer solstice
for raid? nah
lusty karma
"Reprisal has been redesigned – Charge and Intervene grant you Shield Block, Revenge!, and generates 20 Rage."
outer solstice
unless you have to move a lot and have the chance to use it
but wall is just too good
cinder nova
I mean you can just leap > charge
lusty karma
maybe that's a proc of revenge instead of casting it?
lavish oracle
I'm pretty sure you can get 100% usage out of reprisal pretty easy in most fights
lusty karma
ah okay still though, that buff feeds right into BSC
cinder nova
The free rage isn't really worth it because we're not starved.
outer solstice
because the autohits can trigger SS resets
lavish oracle
Because we don't usually need the rage
outer solstice
exactly
cinder nova
The reason you would do it now is for the ShB
outer solstice
and we usually also don't need the extra SB, it makes us a tad more tanky
but having SW off CD faster and get the extra rage from SS is HUUUGE
cinder nova
So if it's not usneating TW as king shit on the prog pile.
Does it douse signet for parse boy?
lusty karma
god when it picks bladestorm i hate it
outer solstice
I'm nearly all pink on hc parses and haven't used signet for a single fight
lusty karma
i click the damn thing off sometimes
need to make my ability cancelaura
(not talking signet but the anima power that's basically signet)
outer solstice
@lusty karma go play fury, that's exactly what they do
lusty karma
lol
cinder nova
Well, they canceulaura bladestorm if it's gonna rage cap them or they have an execute.
outer solstice
yeah
lusty karma
maybe if bladestorm for prot gave us 100% parry too 😄
cinder nova
People would riot
outer solstice
so how many defensive CDs do we want?
cinder nova
Prot can't have linearly powerful abilities
cinder nova
Gotta make the entire spec a rube goldberg machine
mighty valley
?
lusty karma
@outer solstice Do you think Revenge! counts from Reprisal, I only ask because of this text specifically
"when your successful dodges or parries have made it cost not rage"
lusty karma
hopefully they aren't actually validating that you also dodged/parried
outer solstice
probably it's the same buff I guess
lusty karma
but just have the Revenge! buff
mighty valley
oh for BSC? yeah i'd be very surprised if it does a separate check
lusty karma
well it'd be BSC + Reprisal specifically since that grants the buff
cinder nova
I mean, let's be real, that jank would be pretty par for the course
outer solstice
tbh.... the revenge! procc
is like the smallest part of why reprisal looks soo good rn
if they want they can take that off
lusty karma
oh sure 99% sblock uptime is why but i want me some dmg
outer solstice
I'd still use it for M+
lusty karma
and rage
outer solstice
M+
outer solstice
M+ because I'm a retard and too dumb for seismic
lusty karma
if you can basically not kite because we can just tank high keys that'd be big
lusty karma
more dps and quicker kills maybe, if the meta remembers how to kill pulls normally
cinder nova
My body is ready for the Hulk-levels of STR about to run through it when Necro gets its shift
cinder nova
Plus it'll be funny to watch the Fire mage in my group and the boomkin lick my toes for the buff
outer solstice
gonna make banner with a macro
outer solstice
ME GREEEN; ME SMAAAAASH
cinder nova
Yeah but priest has to deliberately target a fucker
lusty karma
it doesn't take much to feel entitled to it
cinder nova
This is just proximity
lusty karma
true you could make them work for it
cinder nova
PUGs can go fuck themselves imo
outer solstice
well for pugs I'll just not care
cinder nova
I'm only coordinating this shit for my guild and maybe M+
outer solstice
I'll have a /y setup with RSA
the rest the DDs have to sort themselves
well for M+ the coordination is quite ez
cinder nova
It'll be like 500+ STR for me atm.
I will say that the soulbinds for necro makes me heave
Only good part is that one abom for the STR
outer solstice
will be hard to give up Niya though
all the free ressources
from just playing the game ^^
but I guess,... don't really need it
made like 2 million gold this week
lusty karma
yeah idk I've been kinda turned off M+ lately and been ramping up into pvp again for first time in years so venthyr seems reasonable
assuming they don't go wod system it'll still be good for gearing next patch vs rng of chest+dungeon drop
lusty karma
yeah it's in top parses for a reason
outer solstice
to run unnverving
cinder nova
Ought to cop a nerf
bleak plaza
IP gets capped on 2 uses right?
outer solstice
get a tracker for it ^^
cinder nova
Think NF will still be ahead for DPS after the necro change? That huge surge of STR, Mastery, and Ava seems pretty overwhelming
outer solstice
makes things easier
bleak plaza
good point
outer solstice
@cinder nova individual DPS? yep, raid DPS? heck no
cinder nova
I mean, yeah - 400 mastery isn't gonna be a huge bump in raid dps if it's only 2 people
silent grove
made like 2 million gold this week
how?
cinder nova
But I'm out here trying to style on the low-end of my MDPS during alt runs fam
cinder nova
Gotta pee on their faces
cinder nova
about 150 sire kills
Selling runs?
outer solstice
neither did I
outer solstice
Selling runs?
possibly ^^ hahahaha xD
cinder nova
Not against TOS to sell runs, just as long as you aren't adverting them in the LFG.
Carries are 1000% legit
lusty karma
and for in game currency vs. $$
outer solstice
yeah but I don't like to talk about it on specialized channels
in off-topic it's fine
silent grove
we dont have enough people in the guild to run multiple 10 mans
and everybody is already working through heroic
aww well
stiff tusk
Well shit, would you guys pick a 213 anima bead for a shield ( 207 PvP shield equipped) or a 207 Stone legion trinket (194 version equipped). I'm leaning towards the shield.
grand drum
shield
signal plover
Def shield
stiff tusk
Ok cool. Ty. i doubt I'd be using the trinket for long anyways
floral pewter
yeah, the shield will last you longer in addition to being a more important slot
timber nest
for damage memes, are people saving avatar/DS for spear? or just use them all on CD
rigid elm
Can someone help me understand what I'm missing?
The PTR version of Reprisal will allow for near 100% uptime of shield block in M+, which is nutty. But we can already sort of do that with The Wall + Into the Fray + Heavy Repercussions.
Is the idea we can now take Anger Management? I guess I don't understand why more people aren't using The Wall in M+ now
shell hare
Avatar is base line sir
rigid elm
Avatar is base line sir
Sorry, meant Anger Management
surreal plinth
But that's a yikes on the gearing priority
I've been seeing this a lot lately.. I haven't been back to wow for very long but I am noticing the class discords seem to be just linking wowhead or icy veins for their class breakdowns now days. A lot of it seems dated or just flat out wrong.
cinder nova
I think most discords lack gigabrain mathragers like we do.
One of the things I joked about to my guild is that of all the class discords, Warrior seems the most technical.
Feel like I'm waiting for the heat death of the universe before Blizzard will actually just front-load what is/isn't blockable in journal tooltips
As well as reflect/deflect/etc.
floral pewter
Can someone help me understand what I'm missing?
The PTR version of Reprisal w...
I don't think HR + ITF get you close to 100% uptime
cinder nova
Wont get you anywhere near it.
rigid elm
As well as reflect/deflect/etc.
You don't enjoy testing and updating an ever growing weak aura to manage spell reflect???
rigid elm
My favorite part of warrior is writing an incredibly complex weak aura to track ignore pain
rigid elm
Wont get you anywhere near it.
So what do we expect the ideal talents to look like if Reprisal goes live?
Obviously Anger Management over Bolster. Do we take unstoppable force as well?
cinder nova
We already go AM over Bolster on anything but high prog fights and M+.
Reprisal + BSC is the only major change.
rigid elm
Sorry, talking in a purely M+ context. Does Show of Force (conduit) become good now?
coarse kestrel
no
floral pewter
Unstoppable Force will still be depressingly bad
surreal plinth
One of the things I joked about to my guild is that of all the class discords, W...
I feel like during legion the class discords were like best source of info. as icy veins and noxxic were pretty unreliable.
Is bolster still the go to for mythic + or does AM and the Wall play well/better with higher keys?
uneven mason
Oh boy my vault was so giving
rigid elm
I think Bolster is just too good which sucks because AM is so fun
surreal plinth
I honestly didn't realize UF was so under tuned right now lol. I switch my build up to roll ravager and bolster with thunderlord stompers last week
What trinkets are yall running typically in higher keys?
trim bay
I have a 220 shield. My chest I got a 226 shield and a 226 haste vers ring. I already have a 226 ring and a 216. Should I take the ring for the I lvl upgrade or take the extra block from shield?
coarse kestrel
anyone theory crafted condemn vs IP in terms of what's doing better mitigation
nah nevermind it's gotta be IP. it does 2100 more shielding for me, even though you get rage back on condemn it can't make up that much of a difference
mossy sluice
I have a 220 shield. My chest I got a 226 shield and a 226 haste vers ring. I al...
shield is life
chilly brook
My favorite part of warrior is writing an incredibly complex weak aura to track ...
Why would you even need this?
limpid pawn
hey, for high mists, do you lust first 2 packs
or just save for first boss?
what is the high key strat
amber herald
patent osprey
hey, for high mists, do you lust first 2 packs
It depends on your group comp or if it saves u a phase on the first boss. If Lust means the difference between 1 phasing vs 2, or 2 phasing vs 3, then lust first boss if tyran or fort. But if it won't make the difference, lust 1st boss, then as soon as its up in the maze, then last boss typically
Mists is a dung where you are shooting for 3 optimal lusts rather than try to fit in 4 in the 31 min timer. Cause if u wanted to do 4, your last lust wouldn't even last the full duration since it takes like 15 seconds to even get into the first pull
limpid pawn
so do not lust first pull ?
small marsh
im dumb and tired as fuck from work and can't decide what to take
is gluttonous spike particularly good?
I'm kinda drooling over the haste on that neck
and wanting to replace gluttonous spike w/ scale asap anyway
(you can pry my IQD from my cold dead hands)
modern hearth
for m+ in 9.0.5, kyrian still going to be the play or is necro going to be better
small marsh
pick your poison
I'd say if you have a stable group of 5 that has 2-3 DPS that scale extremely well with Mastery, you can get a lot of work out of the banner
but for pugging, pfft fuck that
modern hearth
tru
small marsh
the banner rules tho, i kinda wanna go necro for it just cause it's rad and necrolords is a cool as fuck faction
but man I'm addicted to my healy juice
modern hearth
tru, completely forgot about the pot lol
small marsh
yeah the pot is why most tanks are kyrian bis spec (or at the very least kyrian is very competitive)
having your universal faction ability be "hey tanks here's an extra health stone and cleanse" is kind good lol
bleak plaza
do yall think unbreakable will is gonna get used for raid when it gets 2 charges?
small marsh
I could see it in some niche ultra high end mythic strats (like world first grade guilds)
but I don't think it'll be worth using outside of Mythic raid groups
2 charges vs significantly shortened cooldown on SW, shorter cooldown runs
so it comes down to whether you're getting your legendary's worth out of the shared shield wall effect, and you're not going to get that outside of highly coordinated groups
bluh still can't decide on my vault for the week
that ilvl upgrade on glutton spike looks tasty but I also want to switch to better trinkets in general
and the haste on that neck looks DELICIOUS
wanton mist
which armor slot is gonna be the go to for the reworked reprisal??
turbid cargo
@wanton mist all other things equal, legs
median tulip
@wanton mist in practice, whichever you have the lowest gear alternative in
lavish oracle
Eh, I mean, Valor will be a thing when the Reprisal rework releases
So probably just legs
bold turtle
I managed to pull an engorged worm smasher 11 from my vault and I need to get it enchanted. I mostly raid, and im currently progging heroic nathria, with a handful of m10s for my vault. Should I use vigor for raw survival or revelation for the DPS?
median tulip
Eh, I mean, Valor will be a thing when the Reprisal rework releases
You still have to go and re-farm the armour piece, and then farm all the valour to upgrade it
gray spear
Hi guys, do you guys use shattering throw in m+? if so what are the use cases?
median tulip
Hi guys, do you guys use shattering throw in m+? if so what are the use cases?
anything with a shield. The giant bugs between 2nd and 3rd bosses in Mists, for example. Some of the mobs in ToP are another
last mason
do you still double off the rip in mists this week
grand drum
last boss in necrotic wake too
gray spear
i see
small marsh
yeah i see a shield and my hand jumps to my shatt throw button
fickle timber
does anyone know if the stun off of forgelight prime is on the same DR as a regular stun?
its an interesting ability, but not if its gonna trigger 'immune"
lavish oracle
You still have to go and re-farm the armour piece, and then farm all the valour ...
I mean, that's probably better than committing a legendary to a worse slot for a short term ilvl boost
Otherwise you gotta refarm all the ash and build it again in the other slot
cinder nova
\
opaque moss
Greetings
I’m new to prot warriors, was looking for something new to do after getting KSM on my DH. I mean tanks and it was a long time wish of mine to play prot warrior.
I’m still trying to get my head around what to pop and when this probably sounds like a dumb question but.
In example with the mobs in SD that cast throw research which is a physical projectile that doesn’t get blocked by shield block? Does the melee portion but any dot goes through?
In those cases is it better to stack ignore pain and how do you people manage ignore pain mitigation?
ocean yoke
physical damage projectiles will also be blocked by shield block
chilly brook
do yall think unbreakable will is gonna get used for raid when it gets 2 charges...
No
Ultra niche
And just barely better than bark skin for 4 people
bleak plaza
Oh i didn’t know it was target capped
chilly brook
Greetings
I’m new to prot warriors, was looking for something new to do after g...
If it swings a weapon at you, throws something at you or shoots something at you it can probably be blocked. IP is nothing more than a rage dump. It's incredibly simple. Is mob swinging/throwing/shooting? Block. Do I need more defensive play? Also IP
Use shield wall proactively
Same with Last Stand when talented into bolster
You can use both of these to fill gaps in mitigation
opaque moss
Thankyou I’m using the wall legendary but may swap back to bolster for the CDR instead of anger management
chilly brook
In keys you should basically always run Bolster
Block is super powerful
Anything that buffs block uptime when you need it and you're going to be tanking for extended periods of time is a good pick
AM really only sees use in raid or open world stuff if you're gonna do stuff in prot
Or if you just out gear the content and wanna pump
last mason
God I might just go hpal at this point, wild that even with the tank shortage, pugging as a non dh is basically applying as dps
hallow phoenix
So i tested Niya's herbs on a target dummy for 4 mins and had about a 40% uptime. Defensively is the 5% haste better than Korayn's face your enemies?
silver trout
God I might just go hpal at this point, wild that even with the tank shortage, p...
Yeah... I'm working on 14's and 15's and it feels pretty bad at the moment. I pretty much just run with my static group now and rarely pug because it gets shitty fast
wet compass
I just play fury it's legit easier to get into groups as fury than prot 😦
sweet summit
I managed to pull an engorged worm smasher 11 from my vault and I need to get it...
Celestial for defensive value, sim for dps
sweet summit
So i tested Niya's herbs on a target dummy for 4 mins and had about a 40% uptime...
Just comparing those two in a vacuum, face your foes is better defensively
hallow phoenix
And I imagine in aoe it's worse off since the uptime isn't nearly as high
Though I guess the 50% or so aoe uptime isn't all that bad
sweet summit
Yeah
coarse kestrel
Just build your own group on your key if you can't get a pug
sweet summit
Its alright, id use vintage and slh defensively over it tho
bright owl
Noob question here, but how do you hold aggro on packs? If I spend my rage on revenge instead of block or ip, my health gets chunked pretty bad. I feel like I’m missing something.
sweet summit
You should not drop shield block
You can replace an IP cast with revenges
Ravager also helps a lot
bright owl
Usually it’s on the beginning of the pull where I can’t hold aggro with just tclap and spending my initial rage on shield block
But yeah ravager helps just on cd sometimes
chilly brook
Ravager>charge>avatar>demoralizing shout>spear/AA profit
bright owl
Aa?
restive flax
rich helm
which ring is better ? haste mastery or vers mastery ?
jagged pier
haste
orchid sand
Im trying to find out if anima power Periapt of Furor. Buff
Periapt of Furor
Berserker Rage lasts 300% longer and also causes your party members to go berserk. would make us immune to pacifiying spells like Suppress
2 sec cast
The caster creates suppression fields for 40 sec, inflicting Shadow damage every 2 sec as well as silencing and pacifying players caught within.
sweet summit
Off the top of my head it does not
orchid sand
yeah thank you brother
small harbor
Spare Meat Hook still good for Prot for offensive?
small harbor
Nice. I assume the value is pretty high for Fury and Arms?
sweet summit
Its one of the better dungeon trinkets
Kinda depends on your other trinkets, but as always 
small harbor
Thanks! 😄
merry ocean
What do you guys think is better, 6 ilvl upgrade shield or 20 ilvl upgrade wrists?
jagged pier
shield
merry ocean
thanks
graceful cobalt
hi guys
jagged pier
hi
graceful cobalt
i get in vault Macabre Sheet Music (213) and the PVP Belt with haste Versa and socked(220) the samewith out socked i have wich schuld i take
jagged pier
i mean music sheet it pretty garbage
but theres no point taking somthing u already have
socket makes its worth more ilvl tho
graceful cobalt
or ring pvp crit/versa+socked( but the same i have there haste/versa rings on 220)
jagged pier
take the belt or stygia i would
graceful cobalt
trinkets i have (PVP Haste trinket with strenght procc 220 and Gluttonus Sipike (213)
jagged pier
both better than macre imo
graceful cobalt
ok thx i choose the belt
valid zodiac
220 shield token from vault wohoo
neat dirge
pogchamp
valid zodiac
These last few upgrades all took away my haste items, it feels so sluggish to play now with only 13% haste.
snow tusk
please help me decide what i should pick :/
jagged pier
helmet
smoky wave
🪖 socket too, nice
jagged pier
and main stats increase compared to the rings
snow tusk
alright, thanks 🙂
would the 226 BoE ring from raid be an upgrade for me? thinking of buying it
snow tusk
i'm at 30% haste in raid, thought that maybe switching vers for haste would be better then, or is there no soft cap for haste?
jagged pier
soft cap it 106%
but really its 39% because then u get 8 haste for every 10 haste you gain because of stat tax
echo egret
Oh man finally
ebon hound
📈
snow tusk
thanks for the advice @jagged pier
jagged pier
np
unique shale
Oh man finally
i want blood scale
mighty valley
Oh man finally
you me
🤝
getting 226 scales this week
outer solstice
Oh man finally
big gz
I hope I can join the club
gonna log in, probably just to see 3 cloaks
unique shale
cunning parcel
207 heraldy or 226 belt with terrible secondaries replacing a 213 belt?
outer solstice
well probably still the belt
what are your trinkets
I mean the belt is probably better long term and short term
cunning parcel
I mix and match trinkets depending on the fight. all 200 item lvl
outer solstice
oof
cunning parcel
anima field, spike, ember mirror
outer solstice
yeah but all 200 ....
strong forum
Still fine tbh
strong forum
Id get the belt
outer solstice
eveen without haste
cunning parcel
so belt?
outer solstice
yeah long and short term the better choice
cunning parcel
I thought so, just didnt want it to be true lol
outer solstice
you're not raiding mythic I guess?
cunning parcel
no heroic tank,
outer solstice
then go for the 226, 100%
you have a chance at better trinkets in your raid
no chance for a better belt there
cunning parcel
ok ty for the advice
graceful cobalt
Sinful Gladiator Neck (220 Crit/Versa + socked) or GaiazellaSpiked Collar (207 versa/Haste) and chest 220(gladiator haste/versa) or 226 (crit/versa)
outer solstice
are you close to 2100 rating?
if not, 226 crit/versa chest
keep in mind you can upgrade PvP items from the chest as well
graceful cobalt
i would be happy if i am near the 2100^^
outer solstice
then go for the 226 chest
you can always spend conquest and honor to get the neck or the other chest
graceful cobalt
i know that was the oppinion why i chose the 207 belt with extra socked
the haste/versa chest i have on 220
graceful cobalt
ok than next i hope that i will get on vault the haste/versa neck on 220
outer solstice
I dumped my 220 haste/versa chest as well for a versa/crit 226
or buy the versa/haste from PvP
way cheaper than the chest anyway
graceful cobalt
thx
thorny stone
outer solstice
no worries, haven't seen the trinket even drop ... not even talking about the chest xD xD
unique shale
me either
sweet summit
Anime!
ebon hound
another week w/o anime nugget :sadge:
blazing condor
if it makes you feel better im like week 6 into no shield - i still have an ilvl 200 one there too : T
otherwise with 218 ilvl
ebon hound
Ya I actually got 220 shield last week 
, been rocking 210 with 224 ilvl
blazing condor
nice : D yeah im banking on the 220 from SLG
the bead dropped last week but someone took it for OS
blazing condor
yes 🙂
delicate thorn
I have one item in my vault, from killing three bosses on RF
I just hope it's for one of the few slots where it would be an upgrade
blazing condor
fingers crossed fella
ive also gotten in total these past 6 weeks like 5 weapons
just give me the slot next to it
delicate thorn
a weapon would be nice, mine is 177 atm
urban portal
delicate thorn
I got a 194 2-handed sword from a WQ yesterday 😄
vocal finch
anyone here who has done the shadowlands keystone master, what ilvl did you get it done at?
lofty widget
205 ish
blazing condor
depends on the group id say
strong forum
I didn't really push for it so I was prolly higher
blazing condor
how coordinated you are and knowledgable
strong forum
It just kind of happened through weekly keys
rigid wadi
https://gyazo.com/27dee6522d6aaac279a1d643289226ab
bro got the same trinket haha but mines got speed 😄
blazing condor
bro got the same trinket haha but mines got speed 😄
damn always gotta one-up me xd
rigid wadi
xD
blazing condor
gz tho 🙂
glacial flint
hey guys is there a prefered slot for reprisal legy ?
got both slots 226 haste / mast and boots 226 crit haste/ crit .. so ilvl doesnt matter for me
lofty widget
legs are more iirc
rigid wadi
ty ^^
blazing condor
it feels logical
glacial flint
yeah legs has more stats
rigid wadi
yep definitely legs
vocal finch
210ish?
ohh shhi i gotta push this week then with 217 ilvl 😦 hard to do though without a coordinated group
blazing condor
everyone is better geared and (hopefully) more experienced by now so it should be easier
vocal finch
This is *the* push week
so I've heard 🙂
smoky wave
Hoping to get it done this week, but times going to be an issue. Bit sad there's only one person who's done ksm as prot on the realm I'm on.
blazing condor
you go make it 2
jagged pier
ohh shhi i gotta push this week then with 217 ilvl 😦 hard to do though without ...
i pugged it at like 210 ish
you should be fine
vocal finch
i pugged it at like 210 ish
okay i'll give it a serious shot this week thx
outer bronze
i timed a 15 tyran rage mists yday at 192, 217 is more than enough id have thought
strong forum
It is
unique shale
@visual drift SHield
strong forum
Technically shield
visual drift
even if it's only 3 ilv but haste and 28 block are so much better?
visual drift
xD