protection

[uneven mason]

tether + unhinged + bladestorm you kill.

[outer solstice]

• 50% heal reduce 😛

[dusty yacht]

@ionic fern Is this like really really really strong as i think ?

[outer solstice]

what's it called?

[fallen rose]

ye that is try but i feel condemn is more consistent

[outer solstice]

for M+ it is @dusty yacht

[uneven mason]

@ionic fern does it work for fury if they intervene does revenge reduce slam to 0?

[outer solstice]

@vestal totem you kill in PvP with burst, not consistency

[uneven mason]

I mean

condemn is pretty damn bursty during avatar

[lavish raptor]

Kyrian is not the best for pvp

Thrre are so many defensices that break spear of bastions tether

[outer solstice]

yeah but bladestorm, unhinged and no escape is pretty strong

[uneven mason]

course if you want burst, NF will chunk someone from 40% to dead if it crits.

AA pretty insane.

[signal plover]

@chilly brook can you link me that one WA you tested yesterday?

[dusty yacht]

@outer solstice @ionic fern You got like almost 100% uptime on mitig right ?

[outer solstice]

I think nom tested it and achieved 95% blocked

with AM

[ionic fern]

Nah, it gives you the rage + SB and then the "Revenge!" buff but Slam still costs rage.

[ionic fern]

Yes.
I tested it on dummies and with HR SB never dropped.
With AM it was like 90-95% overall up time (with Double Time).

[dusty yacht]

You think in m+ we can come back to anger managment ?

[shut summit]

prolly

[outer solstice]

I already do xD

[fallen rose]

it will be easier i to have that up time in actual content as you can intervene allies in melee for a free SB

[outer solstice]

but somehow I think bolster + sismic is more dmg

[signal plover]

Than AM+seismic?

Or than AM+reprisal

[uneven mason]

wat

[outer solstice]

AM + seismic will hurt hard

[signal plover]

Coward

[outer solstice]

xD

[amber herald]

you can play AM and seismic now

if you want to

[signal plover]

Yes of course. It's the best way to get your healer used to the chaos

[amber herald]

mine already is 😎

[sturdy lynx]

216 but i will take it !!

[amber herald]

🔨

[smoky wave]

gz!

[sturdy lynx]

ty fellas, was farming dos for so long

[vague jetty]

what does the conduit for necro banner do on ptr?

[smoky wave]

My wife/rshaman is now refusing to do DoS. Think I'm stuck with my 184 unless The Vault Provides.

[coarse kestrel]

10 ilvl upgrade on chest, losing vers90/crit41 for haste90/crit49

[smoky wave]

you take the 10ilvl.

[coarse kestrel]

or 3 ilvl on shield, trading 23crit/42haste for 39crit/27vers

[golden path]

can you get Scle from vault even if you didnt do DoS on that week?

Scale*

[smoky wave]

yup

[coarse kestrel]

still thinking chest eh?

[smoky wave]

oooph, probably shield tbh. I'll leave that to the experts to pick for you though! I'm a pleb.

[uneven mason]

that is a close one

should ping Mwahi

[coarse kestrel]

@ionic fern halp

[uneven mason]

He's like that guy from numbers and just sees math floating in his eyeballs

although that could be floaters from diabetes as well.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fallow beacon]

i'd say shield

[amber herald]

get the simc addon

[golden path]

@smoky wave was that yes for my question? ":D

[smoky wave]

yeah, vault loot is independent of the dungeons you've run

[golden path]

i see, thank you, so if i do 10 DoS and nothing else i will get 3 items from DoS?

[void stump]

90% Shield block uptime > thunderlords?

[sweet summit]

ya

[smoky wave]

no, items can come from any dungeon, not just ones you've run

[golden path]

oh, INdependent... sry im a potato

[smoky wave]

s'ok, you're a potato with a shield and really that's what matters

[golden path]

trying to be 😄

[strange lintel]

can i use my haste mastery fury set set with a prot warrior and be good ?

[coarse kestrel]

probably!

Like without any vers you're taking... not that much more dmg than someone who's been focusing vers/haste

[jagged pier]

ilvl is far more important than stats

if u have haste youll be fine

[signal plover]

Ppl gotta snap outta this vers madness

[strange lintel]

my fury gear is also higher ilvl lol

[signal plover]

There's no corruption anymore

[jagged pier]

then youll be fine

[strange lintel]

quick question about gems

[jagged pier]

haste

[strange lintel]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=30546/sovereign-tanzanite#comments what about this tho

5str 6stam

[arctic wasp]

i have a noob question, what does the block value of shields adds to ?, is it block chance ? block ammount ? 😮

[strange lintel]

wouldnt that be great? or im just looking through shitty pink tinted glasses

[jagged pier]

where are thos from?

if its old expansions

cant be in new gear

[strange lintel]

shattered halls old expancion

yeah you can put em on current content slots

[jagged pier]

the amount of damage u bloke

the % the damage is reduced

[jagged pier]

🤷 5 strength is not that great and no one cares about stam tbh

[strange lintel]

just wondering

i have a dk friend thats just gemming all his gear with that lol

[remote hawk]

In the patch now when repraisal comes. I already got 220 pants and crafted my TL leggo on my boots in the beginning. Would it just be better for me to craft reprasial on the boots and take that loss in stats instead of crafting the pants and going from 225 TL boots to 197 boots instead ?

[uneven mason]

block value is a 2nd Damage reduction table that works like another layer of armor

[uneven mason]

Yes, the gap between boots and legs isn't so great as to loose that much on your boots.

[remote hawk]

Ty ty ! That was what i was thinking was most logical but just wanted to make sure ^^

[uneven mason]

Yeah, doesn't make sense to sacrifice that much ilvl

[bleak plaza]

so im looking through spreadsheet for blocks and reflects and for the ones that you can block, is it worth it to do both on?

assuming the reflect is just a deflect

[uneven mason]

reducing damage you say?

WHy would you want to do that.

Think of your poor healers parse.

[bleak plaza]

i main warlock and keep burning rush on 100% of the runs

but im curious about this specific scenario for the healers parse

but like soulcrusher from meuhzala is deflected and blocked and is only mdmg so if i just block it is it still stopping the mdmg?

[jagged pier]

well its magic so block will do nothing with soulcrusher

[junior pebble]

Got the stamina organ at 226, kinda fun having a lot of hp I guess.

[jagged pier]

i would just vendor that tbh

[junior pebble]

It was such a high ilvl over my other trinket it doesn't take much justifying

[jagged pier]

what is your other trinket?

[junior pebble]

Like a 203 codex

[surreal nest]

no wait

[jagged pier]

cause ilvl doesnt mean much on trinkets

codex is probably better

[bleak plaza]

the spreadsheet is saying that the initial hit is blockable

[jagged pier]

i dunno never had it

[junior pebble]

For m+ organ seems pretty solid, 10k heal on a 20 second cd doesn't seem worthless. More with crits

[uneven mason]

Not always true, many "magic" attacks have a physical attack component that is blockable.

[jagged pier]

soulcrushers damage comes from the dot tho

[uneven mason]

wellthen

[jagged pier]

that was my point

[merry bane]

do any of you guys use simcraft and pawn to help balance your gear?

[final cedar]

is sephuz good for damage in m+? I saw Naow running it in MDI, wondering if its good for us too.

[merry bane]

because I did and it stripped alot of my haste gear off and idk if thats good

[jagged pier]

pawn sucks for us and simming is only for dps so its going to show crit as the best stat

[brittle owl]

this is like the 3rd expansion in a row where people understand that pawn is shit

maybe 4th even

[merry bane]

Well I never used it until now

[jagged pier]

look its easy for armour

is it a higher ilvl

take it

if its the same ilvl

which has more haste

[merry bane]

so ilevel or secendary stats

[jagged pier]

ilvl everytime

[brittle owl]

more stats > better stats

[mossy sluice]

theres an argument for jewelry on ilvl vs secondaries

[jagged pier]

10-15 ilvls

[brittle owl]

on jewelery sure

[merry bane]

well I am sitting at 36% mastery 5% haste but with a higher ilevel

[brittle owl]

feelcraft your way

they only have stam and secondaries

so you can drop ilvl on them

most people drop 10-20 ilvls on rings depending on "feel"

...or sim dps

[merry bane]

well I was thinking it would sim better survivability based on the custom stat weights I put in from icy veins

[brittle owl]

you can't sim survivability

since it's not a constant equation

[mossy sluice]

its an initial hit thats physical, then a dot based on the physical damage taken as magic damage. spell reflect will deflect the dot but the phys hit will still go through iirc

[brittle owl]

even if it were, people with experience are fine even when they hit 5% hp, new players clench their cheeks when they drop below 50%

[merry bane]

so then how should I set my gear up then? I have alot of pieces to play with. I did a hybrid of haste and vers

[mossy sluice]

as much haste as possible w/o sacrificing ilvl

[surreal nest]

why even gear for survivability? we are playing warrior, gear crit haste and pop avatar and spam revenge my dude

[merry bane]

LOL

[mossy sluice]

big 2k revenges

[merry bane]

I do have a DPS set crit and haste >.<

[surreal nest]

if you die link dps and say "i would like to see a DH maintain a hard 1.7k dps like me, noob healer"

[brittle owl]

pümp

[jagged pier]

on armour u only care about the stats if u have 2 x 226 pieces and have to compare otherwise u just equip the highest i lvl

its better 100% of the time

[brittle owl]

mobs can't hurt you if you're dead

[bleak plaza]

ok so if you block it then the dot means nothing

[brittle owl]

wait

[surreal nest]

now we are theorycrafting

[brittle owl]

meant to day they're dead*

but both work

[mossy sluice]

the dot still fucks

[jagged pier]

blocking doesnt stop the dot

[ebon hound]

not false

[bleak plaza]

the dot is based off the dmg taken though?

[mossy sluice]

yeah but its sketchy

[bleak plaza]

so blocking stops the dmg taken from the physical

[jagged pier]

but you can just SR and not get the dot 🤷

[mossy sluice]

think you can only sr every other one

[bleak plaza]

well id rather block to stop dmg from the initial and the dot

and save SR for if i need it

[mossy sluice]

what are you saving sr for

[jagged pier]

u dont need it anywhere else in the fight tho

[bleak plaza]

if blocks down

[merry bane]

so higher ilevel regardless of secondary stats unless the pieces are the same ilevel

[bleak plaza]

and the dot would actually be doing dmg

[mossy sluice]

you can block that hit all you want but you're gonna get trucked

[bleak plaza]

i guess im confused on the interaction then

[jagged pier]

the dot still fuks u regardless of how much of the inital damage you block

[bleak plaza]

btw im swapping from healer to tank so im not fully aware of these yet

[deep steppe]

Yeah thats correct

[bleak plaza]

because the way it seems to me is that you get hit by a physical damage tank buster that will leave a dot to do the same amount of damage

[mossy sluice]

yeah

block isnt 100% mitigation

[bleak plaza]

i should ask this i guess

yup thats where im confused

gotcha

block is only reducing by block value right?

so for me my block is 26

[mossy sluice]

Generally its tied to the ilvl of your shield

[brittle owl]

flat 30%+block value

which is tied to shield ilvl

[bleak plaza]

so SB gives me 100% chance to block i guess 56%

[brittle owl]

you can also critblock

80%

[bleak plaza]

gotcha alright thats where ive been confused then

[north coral]

does bop + challenging shout combo work in raids? keeping aggro on your self while immune?

[bleak plaza]

i just kind of assumed it was blocking all physical since i havent played a shield tank before

[uneven mason]

caps at 85%

iirc

[brittle owl]

somewhere around that value

[mossy sluice]

yeah it's not like PoE. it just deflects a % of phys damage you would of taken

[uneven mason]

Block used to enable you to reduce damage to 0

But that was a bygone era

[bleak plaza]

well that clears things up a bunch

thanks guys

[shell hare]

to whoever was talking about mitigation the other day, ilvl 226 shield is about 39.5%

[mighty cairn]

with no prot vault upgrades, is it worth taking another 226 1h for fury or 226 IQD?

[uneven mason]

waht trinkets do you have?

IQD is an odd animl

Its situationally useful

but you gotta get the WA to know when that is.

But if you fury a lot

I'd take the 1h

[mighty cairn]

I have a 220 SLH and 226 hakkar scale currently

i haven't really played warrior pve at all yet, but might dabble in night fae fury before switching to necro in 9.0.5 i think

[uneven mason]

don't take the IQD

since you're basically wearing BiS trinkets

[mighty cairn]

2 226 1hs are better than 220 2hs for fury right? unfortunately I know nothing about the spec

[uneven mason]

yes

TG is only about 1-2% ahead

you'll always go with highest ilvl

for weapons.

[mighty cairn]

ah kk makes sense - thanks! time to learn how to use a sim and do a dps rotation

NF fury in keys looks like a fun break from tanking

[dark lark]

Is there a way to reliably get Orphyrion (Spires 3rd boss) to reliably go into intermission phase sooner rather than later? Just ripped a 19 tyr because he decided to drop a 3rd of ordnances instead of having his spell queue do blasts or stomps, and then immediately go into intermission after that. He did that two pulls in a row and then on the third pull he didn't. I haven't changed the way I position or tank him but I had never seen a 3rd set of ordnances until last night.

[mossy sluice]

are you max melee range

he won't stomp if you're out of range

[dark lark]

Do I want stomps?

[mossy sluice]

pretty sure they take mana for him to do

or w/e his energy bar is called

[dark lark]

They do, yes.

[outer solstice]

he goes into phase when he runs out of anima

if he's in a puddle

he's not using any

[dark lark]

He wasn't in a puddle

[outer solstice]

so get his ass out of the puddle asap

did a ball reach him?

[dark lark]

He sat at 30 energy and then dropped a 3rd set of orbs

Nope

[mossy sluice]

yeah so if hes not stomping then hes gonna have more mana/anima and pop another ordynance

[outer solstice]

and that as well

you want the stomps

[dark lark]

Then on pull 3 he sat at 35 energy, and then did some blasts/stomps and it was fine.

Is his stomp range shorter than his melee range?

[mossy sluice]

yeah

[outer solstice]

it's weird

[mossy sluice]

i have to purposefully run into him to get him to do it

[outer solstice]

or have some suicidal melee do it

😛

[dark lark]

So, once I kite him away from the puddles, I walk closer to him so I'm not at max melee*

Because stomp is a shorter range than melee for him?

[outer solstice]

oh wait

[uneven mason]

this happened to me last night.

[wet compass]

Lol I was depressed about guild dying so I only did one M14 last week

but

[outer solstice]

you don't want him to drop more orbs or do you want him to do orbs?

[dark lark]

I don't want more orbs.

[outer solstice]

if you want him to not do orbs

[dark lark]

We couldn't soak 15 orbs lol

[uneven mason]

literally tanked the key for us due to him taking another 2min longer to kill because he wouldn't recharge a 2nd time.

[outer solstice]

well that's what dshoo wanted

[uneven mason]

hah

[outer solstice]

recharge is always with orbs

[mossy sluice]

but yeah, just walk into him when you see the stomp timer is up and pop sr

and he will stomp

[dark lark]

We want the intermission phase because 1) he takes more damage and 2) we can soak 10 orbs, we can't soak 15 lol

[uneven mason]

yeah just stay at the edge of melee and he won't burn energy

[dark lark]

That clears it up, thanks.

@uneven mason I want him to burn energy lol

[uneven mason]

I accidentally killed our paladin tho when I went to adjust

so he would recharge

he stomped

but he did a quarter turn for some reason

[chilly brook]

Here you go friend https://wago.io/rk3RIjGtz

[crisp dragon]

ermergerd

thats pog

I need that

[chilly brook]

I just set the opacity for the execute icon to 0 and you can play around with if it only triggers in dungeons etc. I'll probably set it up at some point on my end to only work on bosses by adding all their IDs manually or w/e

[dark lark]

Lmao

[chilly brook]

This is it in action

[crisp dragon]

Upon logging in, it says the file is too old?

[dark lark]

Does it only go on bosses or trash too

[chilly brook]

Trash but you can change that

In the triggers or conditions

[dark lark]

This would've been amazing during 8.3 arms tom+haste corruption build

[chilly brook]

I didnt have that problem

[crisp dragon]

Ill see if it works

[chilly brook]

Big facts

[crisp dragon]

Sound doesnt work 😦

[chilly brook]

Did you download the sound file and put it in the folder?

[crisp dragon]

Else WA wouldn't have recognized it

[chilly brook]

Cuz you gotta download the sound file and put it in the WA sound folder

[crisp dragon]

I guess I will just have to accept that my 7k executes will never be epic 😦

[deep steppe]

@chilly brook question my guy. So ATM I run Storm Bolt at 25 & Crackling Thunder at 35. And thats fine, but if reprisal stays how it is, would going Double Time + Bounding strides be better?

[chilly brook]

Wouldn't need double time

And imho bounding>crackling always

[crisp dragon]

Even in Dungeons?

[chilly brook]

Yea

[crisp dragon]

The extra slow can be nice

[chilly brook]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[deep steppe]

I dont feel the need to leap away very often, but i'm only doing 15/16 so

[sweet summit]

reprisal doesnt interact with heroic leap

[deep steppe]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crisp dragon]

Obviously when Reprisal comes

[chilly brook]

I can run out of melee range without the extra slow

[deep steppe]

no i know, but the leap away to charge back in

[sweet summit]

[solemn magnet]

Bounding feels good

[deep steppe]

i didnt know if that would be better for more reprisal uses or not

[crisp dragon]

[sweet summit]

feel like that row is prefrence anyway, likely stay that way too

[deep steppe]

But like, atm, I pretty much never /need/ leap when its not up, so i've been using CT

[chilly brook]

Plus crackling is interacting with arguably your least impactful button aka 5 rage the button

[crisp dragon]

I do think leap is nice with ms

True, the dps loss button

[chilly brook]

Leap speed boost is nice

Big nice

[deep steppe]

so Double Time no, which is good cause i like storm bolt

and bounding is a

[crisp dragon]

I swear, I was joking last raid night and said "TC is DPS loss lmao" - This guy that has a personal vendetta against me was like "no it's so good omg 5 rage and damage omg"

[deep steppe]

could/should be using already

[chilly brook]

Kekw

[deep steppe]

[chilly brook]

Tell him to look at logs

[crisp dragon]

Large kekw, some people man, even above the age of 25 they still act like kids when they don't like someone

[chilly brook]

Realistically it won't actually matter, you dont need to run bounding I just dont see much value in crackling

[solemn magnet]

Tc aoe is already big enough

[deep steppe]

oh dont get me wrong, crackling is not good

[chilly brook]

Best part about TC is the chance to reset shield slam

[deep steppe]

I just figured some use > "no" use since i dont personally use leap often

[uneven mason]

I use leap like pez

[chilly brook]

I use leap a lot

[uneven mason]

I feel so slow without bounding

[chilly brook]

If for no other reason than to get to the next mob

[uneven mason]

so glad the other 2 talents on that row are useless

[crisp dragon]

Well yeah, granted, if Shield slam and revenge is more than a global or rage away, TC comes to mind, but with a tear in my eye

[chilly brook]

Lol

[uneven mason]

my TC makes the orc weeping sound

because I remember what once was.

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason I think I've made a fitting xmog now that I have that WA

[crisp dragon]

:pog:

[dark lark]

We wore out our knees too hard in BFA, which is why our tc stomps are so wimpy now

[crisp dragon]

when does the WA proc? During any combat, or just boss

[chilly brook]

It's a health % condition

But like I said you can make it only in dungeons or raid or just add the ID of the target

[crisp dragon]

Ah! Perfect, then that's why, I fixed the sound issue, so it should work now, but all ive done this week of dungeons is a +2 for 750 stygia, big lmao

[wet compass]

Okay but Griff more important question here how do you make your damage numbers so crisp and big?

[chilly brook]

Classic numbers I think

[crisp dragon]

Ye, classic

[wet compass]

Also Gohan super sayian in cell games was best super sayian

is that an addon?

[chilly brook]

Yea

[crisp dragon]

I dunno man, first Super Saiyan was pretty bad ass

https://tenor.com/view/anime-goku-dbz-dragon-ball-super-saiyan-gif-8246706

[wet compass]

first was awesome but Gohan coming into his own was so good

especially with the personality change

and then they threw it all away 😦

[sweet summit]

weebs 👉 🚪

[crisp dragon]

It would have been better in retrospect, if he still had any fucking value to the story past that saga

Ey, I'm not a fucking weeb, but it is my childhood

[onyx geyser]

guys should i replace my 207 scale with a 220 sanguine vintage? or replace my 207 wep with a 213 one?

[chilly brook]

I've never actually truly watched dragon ball

[crisp dragon]

That's honestly sad Griff

[chilly brook]

I started a while back

But I think I only watched the first season of the original

[crisp dragon]

Or shall I call you Matt, it's a great show, but I understand people dont have the time to watch 800 episodes now

[sweet summit]

weapon for damage, vintage for a defensive trinket
id take weapon personally

[crisp dragon]

I've never watched Dragon ball, DBZ is where it is

[sweet summit]

i blame DBZ for turning me into... this

[crisp dragon]

Wait, I didn't realize u had weeb picture, omg

[wet compass]

dbz doesn't even count as weeb at this point

[crisp dragon]

Nah, to me it's just my childhood, not sure how else to describe it

[chilly brook]

DBZ makes me want to workout

But

Gyms closed

[sweet summit]

do 15 pushups

for every death

[crisp dragon]

Are we doing it, are we gonna do a @ everyone to make everyone pushup

[sweet summit]

[wet compass]

just do pushups and situps alternating while on flight paths or waiting for summons

it adds up

[sweet summit]

try to @ everyone

see how it ends

[crisp dragon]

I can't man, Im pussy rank'

[chilly brook]

@everyone

Kekw

[deep steppe]

[sweet summit]

:v)

[chilly brook]

It doesn't even work

[crisp dragon]

[wet compass]

https://tenor.com/view/flowers-funeral-roses-blümchen-bye-felicia-gif-15286553

[sweet summit]

yea thank fuck

[crisp dragon]

But this does

@sweet summit

[wet compass]

Would lead to so many bans if it did

[crisp dragon]

@sweet summit

[chilly brook]

Well I mean I knew it didnt work hence why I did it

[crisp dragon]

@sweet summit

[sweet summit]

i will ban u

🔨

[brittle owl]

ha

you can't ban anyone

[crisp dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-beg-im-begging-you-please-desperate-gif-7244157

[brittle owl]

pee color name

[sweet summit]

dont out me like that :/

[wet compass]

Phoenix get so many pings I wish I could set dead hours on disc when pings just wouldn't go through

[crisp dragon]

lmao

[brittle owl]

@sweet summit ban me pls

[outer solstice]

guys.... this is a hard one...

[wet compass]

I should clean this up

[chilly brook]

I missed out on so much good last night

[wet compass]

226 is better

[chilly brook]

[crisp dragon]

226

[sweet summit]

226

[chilly brook]

Irl friends wanted to play the game

[wet compass]

what are your other options in vault?

[outer solstice]

I know the conventional wisdow

[chilly brook]

And I got like 15 pings for sale runs

[outer solstice]

it's not my vault xD

[wet compass]

oh if you already have it who cares play around with both

[outer solstice]

it's 3 secondary overall lost and 3 strength for trading to better secondaries...

[wet compass]

also 7 stam 😛

[outer solstice]

f**** stam

[brittle owl]

and armor

[outer solstice]

1 armor

[brittle owl]

yes

1 > 0

[sweet summit]

tru

[wet compass]

I mean sim it?

[crisp dragon]

@outer solstice If you come and ask the wizards for wisdom, and they give you wisdom you do not wish to hear, do not ask the wizards

[deep steppe]

inb4 you die by literally 1 hp and blow a key cause of it

[brittle owl]

ah yes cause that happens alot

[outer solstice]

@wet compass simming for DPS ... yeah not helping I guess

[deep steppe]

Thats the meme

[sweet summit]

im confused

if you dont want dps, but extra survivability

[brittle owl]

wait

[sweet summit]

then the extra ilvl is good

[brittle owl]

why is simming for dps a meme

since when

[crisp dragon]

Yeah, guy has no idea he's chasing his own tail

[sweet summit]

[crisp dragon]

He needed to do his peepo study

[deep steppe]

[cinder storm]

Got a shield at last

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

I would run the 220

fuck vers mastery shit cloak

[crisp dragon]

@strong forum We all know what a Haste whore you are

[brittle owl]

nah

he's just a whore

haste has nothing to do with it

[crisp dragon]

[strong forum]

😳

[crisp dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/atonement-atonement-movie-blush-embarrassment-gif-8603763

[molten night]

Slimy Consumptive Organ at 220 worth having or should i go for a 13 ilvl upgrade belt with Haste > Vers on it?

[strong forum]

The trinket is dogshit

[crisp dragon]

Absolute horseshit

[strong forum]

Go for the armor upgrade

[molten night]

That's what i was thinking too, but wanted to make sure i wouldnt need the trinket for some niche moment in Mythic Raids or something

[strong forum]

Na, it can be savely ignored until they buff it by 1000%

[molten night]

hahaha ok cool

thanks

[crisp dragon]

I do have a 226 lying around, my first weekly

[strong forum]

F

[chilly brook]

Elden Ring lookin good

[strong forum]

Who dat

[molten night]

i should have just rolled arms or fury >_< but i was trying to see if id get a shield like a dumb dumb head

[chilly brook]

New game from Fromsoft

[crisp dragon]

Who she

[chilly brook]

Aka Dark Souls dudes

[strong forum]

Isleep

[crisp dragon]

I spoon

[chilly brook]

Being made with George R R Martin tho @strong forum

[crisp dragon]

I sleep

[chilly brook]

Game of Thrones author

[strong forum]

Hm.

The only game im excited for is

[crisp dragon]

Wow 2

[uneven mason]

George R.R. Martin, kills all his characters, including the character of his books

George R.R. Martin killed thunderclap

[sterile moss]

woot, two 226 weapons to replace the 226 weapon I looted last week

I guess fury offspec is all set now

[strong forum]

Sick!

[crisp dragon]

Cant wait to loot my +2 item tomorrow since we didnt do reclear in mythic

[uneven mason]

still time to run a +15?

[crisp dragon]

Ive been 1199 RIO for some weeks, just can't get myself have fun doing m+

[modern brook]

this seems like an easily solvable problem

[uneven mason]

Ah, that's too bad.

[strong forum]

M-

[modern brook]

Its timed heroic

[chilly brook]

We're done reclearing

[strong forum]

I don't even have a key

[crisp dragon]

[chilly brook]

Council prog here we go

[strong forum]

Same griff

[mossy sluice]

proggers

[strong forum]

Same..

This is my last raid vault for a while tomorrow

[crisp dragon]

We're 100 pulls in on Council, feels like it should have been dead ages ago, I went from top 60 prot warrior to now top 120

[chilly brook]

Oof

[strong forum]

DW, getting kills now will make you jump 20 spots per boss

[chilly brook]

I mean I'm like

Over 1k nown

Cuz I'm fury kekw

[crisp dragon]

Yeah, if all 20 people on my team was my skill, but they're not

[strong forum]

Welcome to raiding

[chilly brook]

The weird thing is

[crisp dragon]

So I will lose rank with every kill @strong forum because they're slow

[chilly brook]

Council seeks basically the same as heroic

So like

[strong forum]

It do be like that

[chilly brook]

Idk

Like ok you gotta jump sometimes

[crisp dragon]

The gargoyle in p3 doesnt feel like Heroic, Ill tell you that

[mossy sluice]

heroic w/ jumpin and spoopy ghosts

[chilly brook]

And you gotta kick a little more

[strong forum]

Trying to RL council as tank is interesting, wathc your stacks, cotank stacks, boss positioning, add spawn, jumps, CDs, kicks

[uneven mason]

IDK feels like it'd be easier to do Freida last even on mythic?

[mossy sluice]

theres a guild who did it as a meme and the movement seems ridiculous

[uneven mason]

Or her thing toomuch with the ghosts?

[crisp dragon]

I think Niklaus is usually prefered

[chilly brook]

Frieda first is ez

[strong forum]

Frieda last is easier if you have bad raid dmg I've heard, and no boomkins or dks

[crisp dragon]

really? We should have done that

[strong forum]

If you have dks you do Frieda first

[uneven mason]

We do Niklaus first just because of this.

[crisp dragon]

Does one DK count as DKs?

[uneven mason]

I have 2 DKs

and the adds don't seem to die.

Although I have a boomkin now too

[crisp dragon]

But 100 + pulls in, doubt they will change tactics, we're just gonna bash our heads against it

[strong forum]

We have 2-3 so we are trying fsn

[uneven mason]

so maybe I should try it.

[chilly brook]

I think we doin FNS

[mossy sluice]

spicy

[uneven mason]

Thats an idiotic way to look at things, if you're 100 pulls n and not willing to adjust you might as well just go lick paint

[strong forum]

Had a convo with good people and they basically all suggested FSN, even the tank that did World first Frieda last

[crisp dragon]

There has been many idiotic actions during our raids, dont look at me to commit them though

[uneven mason]

Yeah I get ya

93pulls on HC Sire

about 60 of those was me calling wipes

because I knew with X # of people dead we couldn't make the DPS in phase 3

[crisp dragon]

My guild would still insist we tanked all the soaks when we were like 220 ilvl

[uneven mason]

lol

[crisp dragon]

We had to stop dps for like 1 minute

[strong forum]

"We choose Freda because of a couple things. Foremost was our healers were oom going into p3 next was that we didn't have the Nick damage for second stoneborn and got behind on ads at the same time. Doing Frida and turning it all into a single Target fight gave us the DPS we needed"

[uneven mason]

My guild hardly clears all 3 waves of adds and then transistions Sire at 40% Before he forces the transistion himself

our first kill was as he was casting Ravage #3

a MW touch of deathed him

with 0.3 left in the cast, quite the kill snipe

[chilly brook]

I lied

We doin FSN

[mossy sluice]

yeah idk if anyone has done stavros last

[uneven mason]

the DPS burst required to down his add

[strong forum]

Stavros last Was limits and echoes strat

[crisp dragon]

Yeah, Stavros last is not possible

[strong forum]

Requires INSANE dmg

[uneven mason]

even on heroic

its obtuse

[strong forum]

We did it tho

[uneven mason]

I can't imagine with mythic scaling

[strong forum]

As our strat

On HC

Week1

[crisp dragon]

Ye, our HC strat as well

[uneven mason]

Yeah I gave stavros last two pulls in HC progression

and we would lose people do the recital that overlapped

so I said ok, lets try frieda last, and that was so easy for us

our interrupts are spot on

its like the one thing all my DPS are good at 😄

in raid at least

M+ different situation ><

had to have the "talk" with a few of them when I was doing a +15 SoA

on the first pull I got hit by every lash

I was like "Okboys - you have this button that stops things from casting, find it, and put it like, everywhere you have open space on your hotbars"

[dense flame]

prot dmg buffs when

[crisp dragon]

I wish, honestly we survive pretty well, but when TC does less than 1k dmg baseline, it feels like I wanna cry

[timber lagoon]

When reprisal goes live?

[strong forum]

Whenever 9.0.5 hits

[mighty valley]

Folks,

[crisp dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/ladies-and-gentleman-we-got-him-gif-12313683

[sweet summit]

poooog

[tardy parcel]

you've won the first tier of content... grats

[solar crown]

Does bliz having issues atm? i get 'no servers are currently available' when i've finally gotten to the front of the queue..

dat_english

[strong forum]

https://twitter.com/BlizzardCSEU_EN/status/1366810654070493186?s=20

Blizzard CS EU (@BlizzardCSEU_EN)

We're currently investigating an issue affecting our authentication servers, which may result in failed or slow login attempts. #BlizzCS

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[solar crown]

cries in noob

[compact palm]

is there something about the quantum device that is good for prot

its in my vault

[uneven mason]

Its uh, a trinket that has varied uses, if the versatility boost procs you'll hit like a madman for its duration

[compact palm]

aight

Imma look into it more

I know theres a exicute thing too

but nothing past that

[uneven mason]

it can also heal for like 30k (Other people)

[compact palm]

If you or someone around you is crowd-controlled, the device will eliminate the crowd control.
If a trinket is out and has the chance to kill your target with a certain amount of damage, the kill rate will be 100%.
If any healer near your location currently has less than 20% of their mana, the device restores some of the mana.
If you or someone near you is in danger, the device will spawn a target that draws all aggro.
If your health or someone near you is below 30%, the device will heal.
If none of the above are true, the device will give you buff on one of your secondary stats.

Ok some weird things i supose

would be rather sad about if it procs the mana one

[solemn magnet]

IQD is aight

[compact palm]

wait can i spawn something like trees?

[solemn magnet]

I wouldn't go out of my way to use it

[compact palm]

If you or someone near you is in danger, the device will spawn a target that draws all aggro.

Is this trees

and what counts as in danger

[uneven mason]

IDK I don't think I've ever seen that.

BUt I'm a tank

[compact palm]

weird

[uneven mason]

Last night, it gave me, 800 vers, 800 haste, and nuked Sire Denathrius for 18.8k

800 haste x2

[compact palm]

honistly would be happy if it gave me vers and was the only thing

[uneven mason]

yeah me too

[compact palm]

tho the heal would be clutch sometimes

[uneven mason]

its impressive the damage throughput when I get the big vers buff

the heal has saved more htan 1 M+ run

by saving my healer

as has the mana dump

TBH I'm using it because my other trinkets are all garbage

I have a 223

and my other options are like a 213 spike

and a 213 Lady D trinket

and a (vendored) sheet music

[compact palm]

i mean i have 200ilvl Bloodbarrir thing (cant remember the name) and 187 Alar

vs 216 Quantum

If an ally within 100yds is below 30% health, we'll heal

100yrds XD

[uneven mason]

yeah its quite a long range.

Like I said, I'm wearing it for the high ilvl, raw str.

and the fun things it does, but its not a "good" trinket for prot because of its long reuse with hard to predict results.

[compact palm]

theres a W.a for it

[uneven mason]

Yeah

but you can't force it to do what you want

you can just know what it wants to do

[compact palm]

i pretty sure i can just perma int to 20% life

ez

or could it still get another result?

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

Like I Know when I hit it on Sire

I was at like 15% HP and was praying for the heal

and it executed instead

[compact palm]

what ones should be my best

out of this

oh so if more then one condition is met it will just coinflip

other then the buffs which are just coinflip assuming the other conditions arnt met

[uneven mason]

Scale and uh...that 194 flame might be your best 2?

[compact palm]

missing a 200 slimy consumtive organ too

[uneven mason]

might beat flame

your trinket luck looks like mine

[sweet summit]

upgrade ur pvp trinket

[uneven mason]

Or that

[sweet summit]

and use scale + insignia

[uneven mason]

yeah 197 pvp trinket is stronk

relative.

[compact palm]

okay

time to throw people off the bridge in ashran i supose

[uneven mason]

get a 2h and get into some RBGs

get some conquest trinkets 😄

Arms is big demand.

[compact palm]

i just take leaper and fc

:^)

[uneven mason]

Leaper + Barbarian + bounding = ~15s flag caps

[compact palm]

legit mario speed

goomba stomping people

[uneven mason]

But yeah dragon charge in AV across the Alliance bridge legit some of the most fun I've ever had in PVP

or EoTS

[compact palm]

yeah xD

[uneven mason]

I should get a WA that plays a bowling pin sound whne I press it

[compact palm]

LOL

accturate for sure

the amount of kills that ive gotten with just that ability is insane

[lament thorn]

whats peoples opinions on the bladedancers armot kit? brick trinket?

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

worst trinket in the game

[rancid ember]

[compact palm]

oOf

[signal plover]

Every xpac needs a shit trinket apparently

[uneven mason]

Its like they give designing a tank trinket to an intern as a reward

"Make it a good one!"
"TANKS LIKE ARMOR AND IT SHOULD LAST A LONG TIME"

[mighty valley]

would rather have this

[signal plover]

Or they do the design on bring your kid to work day

[uneven mason]

Kids would design superpowers

Kids trinkets would be great

[signal plover]

Not if they main DH

We would have very mooody trinkets

[uneven mason]

"Daddy why can't you get the box you have in minecraft that shoots the lasers? I think they should have that in your Orc game"

[signal plover]

Yes I would like to order 1x laser box plz

[uneven mason]

Literally 1shots anything

you can fire it and spin around

and it kills everything

great trinket

so like I said, a kid would make a fantastic trinket, thats intern crap

Never played a single RPG in their life

[royal lance]

Will Reprisal be the best M+ Legy in 905 for Prots? And making them "better" than they are now?

[sweet summit]

reprisal will be the go to in m+

[uneven mason]

Sure and "eh?"

[sweet summit]

the wall is still the go to in raids

[uneven mason]

Reprisal won't address the issues we have that make it so we're not the meta tank

but its very strong for m+

[surreal plinth]

My warrior only seems to get trinkets from the vault... I could use yalls help on which one to pick this week..

I have a 220 slimy consumptive organ (131 stam) or a 207 sanguine vintage.

I currently am running stone legion heraldy 207 and a 200 gluttonous spike for aoe and trash boss fights I typically use a 200 memory of past sins

[uneven mason]

sanguine vintage isn't horrible

[sweet summit]

vintage>organ

[uneven mason]

its an on demand bubble

with a very short CD

[sweet summit]

id replace spike if you want the extra defensiveness

[uneven mason]

the 220 version is basically a health stone

every min

[surreal plinth]

Thats exactly what I was thinking but the 220 ilevel was making my brain short circut

[uneven mason]

yeah ilvl is wonky for trinkets

[mighty valley]

stam just isn't that meaningful in most circumstances

[uneven mason]

its flat out pointless for quite some time

as over time str adds more to your effective health

[mighty valley]

i didn't mind the organ when I was first starting out kinda undergeared, just a little buffer room for healer to catch up, but past that it just makes you a sponge

[surreal plinth]

I have so many freaking trinkets this xpac.. I have memory of past sins, skulkers wing, decanter of anima charged winds, anima field emitter (194), splintered heart of alar, phial if putrefaction(197)

I'm over geared for my guilds content so I have pushing dps

But we're heading into heroic so I may need some defensives to help with our mediocre healing

[uneven mason]

what ilvl are ya

[sweet summit]

if you want more dps you can sim your trinkets

[surreal plinth]

I'm not stressing the dps. Would rather stack the tanky trinkets tbh

I'm only 208 ilevel

[uneven mason]

best defense

Oh gawd

[surreal plinth]

Lol

[uneven mason]

you're overgeared for heroic

[surreal plinth]

No way

[uneven mason]

only sire is going to make you squeek

maybe Sludgefist below 30%

[surreal plinth]

My guild is def holding me back but I'm just enjoying the laid back raiding this expac

[uneven mason]

Welcome to being a 🛡️ 🧱

[surreal plinth]

Keys seem to be more challenging anyways

[uneven mason]

they are until you get to sire

[surreal plinth]

Well thanks yall ill probably grab the sire trinket instead of the stam one

Sire is fun on normal lol I can't imagine heroic mechanics

Second and third phase are probably panic attack inducing

[uneven mason]

I was 208 my guilds first Sludgefist kill

[strong forum]

sire is always fun

its a good fight

[uneven mason]

I was 204 stepping into heroic

Sire is on par with Heroic Blackhand

with one of the most fun fights

[strong forum]

i was 189 when i stepped into heroic 😄

[uneven mason]

😛

[surreal plinth]

Most of my gear is 1400 pvp gear so I have 22% vers atm lol

[uneven mason]

You didn't have to rebuild a guild

[strong forum]

we did ikari

[uneven mason]

don't worry about stat %

[strong forum]

but in pre-patch

so we had a few weeks prior

[uneven mason]

yeah I had to rebuild mind like 3 weeks in

[strong forum]

F

shoulda joined mine

and kys every raid 😄

but its fun

[uneven mason]

Let me correct myself hah

I was 197

when I walked into Heroic

[strong forum]

201 when killing sludge for the first time

[uneven mason]

I was 204 after we rebuilt and I started tanking

since the only 2 people that stayed behind were the 2 tanks

(since they were the problem)

rather one tank was the problem, the other tank just happened to be sleeping with the first.

[surreal plinth]

The worst

If you replace one you gotta replace both

[uneven mason]

oh wait haha
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/g3nJZYPQhmCbt94a#fight=8&type=damage-done 193 first heroic raid

[strong forum]

package deals.

[uneven mason]

my ill fated attempt at fury

[strong forum]

never

do

package deals.

[uneven mason]

They were not a package deal originally?

from what I understand

IDK I came in late into that story

[lusty furnace]

what potion do we use in keys? Strenght, Phantom Fire or Empowered Exocisms?

[uneven mason]

sure

[strong forum]

i only pot bosses

phantom fire

rest isnt worth the 5min CD imo

[lusty furnace]

cheers

[surreal plinth]

Empowered exorcism is actually really good on big trash packs

I'll top the meters when I use it

[strong forum]

hah i wish

[surreal plinth]

Whats the deal with other tank classes using weapon stones and weights over the oil?

Like dk

[uneven mason]

I use weapon stones

because I'm a cheapass

and its splitting hairs

[surreal plinth]

Lol fair enough

[strong forum]

cuz they scale a bit better

its like less than 10dps difference for us

[surreal plinth]

Do they really?

[strong forum]

oil is better ST

AP is better aoe

thats it

like 0.01% difference

literally

oil makes phantom fire stronger, so i use that

[surreal plinth]

Interesting ill have to try it out in mythics tonight

[strong forum]

not much to test

its INCREDIBLY minor

like only sims can tell you a difference

[uneven mason]

Its literally not worth the braincells you just expended thinking about it

[strong forum]

this

[surreal plinth]

Hahaha alright thanks fellas

[strong forum]

just use 1 or the other

no thoughts

head empty

[uneven mason]

Like that one dude who ran like 14 sims

and was wondering why he was getting different results

btween the stone and oil

because its within the margin of error

🤦

[strong forum]

i legit just use oil cuz it makes phantom fire stronger, thats it

i like that theres an interaction

[surreal plinth]

Thats what I've been using on boss fights

[small oxide]

Is there a general amount of haste you need to have for prot?

[strong forum]

as much as you can get

but i gotta say, around 25% haste is when you start popping off defensively

but thats just feely craft

nothing more

[small oxide]

kk. thank you!

[red wave]

Has anymore opinions come out about 9.0.5 Mald banner? I'm about to betray to NF for DPS but I am still a bit curious if sacrificing some of my DPS wouldn't easily be drastically out paced by 400 Mast to a ret/UH/moonkin (Coordination is assumed)

The 15 sec with a 2 min CD is the biggest downside., but it is a lot of Mastery

[uneven mason]

You get almost as much mastery from Niya's soulbind

or Pelagos

Oh for your group, well

If you like 🤘 and simping with good transmogs

if you're always running with a Boomkin and UDH

than NL is prob worth it.

[signal plover]

I mean technically it is the best covenant ability for buffing others in your group

[uneven mason]

But its technically for others in your group

[signal plover]

https://c.tenor.com/AgMJyOltZ7kAAAAM/thicc-thicker.gif

[hybrid socket]

What trinkets are good to aim for from dungeons?

[uneven mason]

hmmm, scale from DoS

Anima emitter from SoA

yeah I thi nkthats about it

defensively

[surreal plinth]

I want the slimy consumptive organ to be good damnit lmao

I still haven't picked sanguine vintage yet >_>

[hybrid socket]

What about trinket from ToP?

[red wave]

Yea, I think I'm okay losing a bit of DPS considering how bad it is anyway to boost two huge damage doers in raid. I don't do as much M+ on warrior ATM

[uneven mason]

the viscera, eh

its a very eh

[surreal plinth]

The blood spattered scale is pretty damn good. And will still do decent damage in trash packs. Boss fights though not sure its worth using

Isn't the absorb on it based on how many mobs hit?

[uneven mason]

I mean, you can soulbind/conduit into 28% str

with banner

which is lot of armor

and AP

[red wave]

I think Mald is winning me back, then! I know the mastery-whores would love it.

[uneven mason]

SO if you're NL already

then you have a reason to stay

if not, eh, its not going to make or break a run

[red wave]

I'm not - Venthyr, so betraying either way.

[surreal plinth]

Necro is getting a buff next patch isn't it?

[uneven mason]

Its gone form "horrifyingly bad" to "functional contender for use"

[red wave]

Mald banner + FC Rework had me 'interested' but NF Stomp DPS is... sexy

[uneven mason]

[surreal plinth]

I still like my spear root... throw ravager down ontop of it and watch trash melt

[red wave]

I think if the CD's 100% aligned like they did in beta I never would have not gone Bastion. That combo was hilarious in M+

[uneven mason]

theres a secret to Night Fae that everyone overlooks

[sick sentinel]

I like spear myself as well, but I am thinking if Reprisal goes through the way it does and I have to kite less I will probably be fucking with NF

[red wave]

Burrs being 11% is hilarious. It really shows how low our native DPS haha.

[uneven mason]

burs go brrrrrrrrrrrrr

imagine if I wasn't use them!

[sick sentinel]

Yea, the burrs thing is because our dmg is trash

[red wave]

Yea, haha.

[surreal plinth]

Damage is trash????

[sick sentinel]

I mean, compared to other tank classes. It's not good

[uneven mason]

thats just for sire

14% on the ST

course I wasn't pumping Revs

[red wave]

I love that %, it makes me cry a lil'.

[uneven mason]

otherwise might've been higher

Actually was playing defensive for once

[surreal plinth]

Aren't death knights in the worst spot dps wise for tanking?

Or are you speaking strictly single target?

[sick sentinel]

I am talking single target

Our AoE isn't bad if played right

[surreal plinth]

Gotcha

[sick sentinel]

ST is trash though.

Those burrs are making me want to go NF alone

LOL

[red wave]

Warrior is pretty much within ~5% of BDK on every fight in CN.

[surreal plinth]

I'd link my logs but yall will laugh at my guild lol

I was top 4 dps on some fights 😩

[uneven mason]

Although TFW someone tells me warriors are weak...

[red wave]

But with a significantly less healing done. The Shield Block lego will help make warriors feel unkillable against melee at least.

[surreal plinth]

My parses are hilarious though.

[sick sentinel]

Yea, then we would 100% laugh at your guild

If you were that high, unless you were playing a pure DMG build and not using defensives lmfao?

[chilly brook]

Oh man you went NF too?

Les go

NF bis for prot

[uneven mason]

Been nightfae forever

[surreal plinth]

Most of the people in our raid are pretty casual man.

[chilly brook]

[uneven mason]

way before it was cool

[sick sentinel]

@chilly brook Fuck man, I think I am going to be switching too

Spear is nice, but shit

[chilly brook]

It's worth

[uneven mason]

Griff and I were like the first 2 NF warriors

I think

[chilly brook]

AA is nuts in keys

Nah not the first

[sick sentinel]

The 2 min CD is whats hurting my heart

Compared to the 1 min spear

[uneven mason]

its not a 2m CD

[chilly brook]

Some of the first tho

[sick sentinel]

Its not?!?

[chilly brook]

Its like 1:15

[uneven mason]

1.5m or 1.3m with conduit

[sick sentinel]

Say fucking less

Boom

[uneven mason]

yeah, 1:15~

[sick sentinel]

And the switch begins

[uneven mason]

desyncs from avatar

[sick sentinel]

lol

[uneven mason]

but it trucks

[chilly brook]

AA is nutty in keys tho

Like fr

[sick sentinel]

Isn't it like 12 sec of stuns basically?

[chilly brook]

Basically

[sick sentinel]

For caster packs which is our worst to deal with it seems amazing

[chilly brook]

Locking down caster packs is huge

[sick sentinel]

Yea

Fuck, I am doing it

[chilly brook]

And the huge mastery/hp buff from Niya is great

Although I'd wager you could pull some nasty damage with korayn

[sick sentinel]

I think the spear is just nice right now with this "kite" meta, but I don't think that will be around for much longer

[uneven mason]

yeah. I'm considering Korayn for a Seismic build

[shell hare]

Even with the conduit don’t you just wait for avatar to be up to AA anyways

[uneven mason]

that extra crit and bonus dmg at pull

[surreal plinth]

@sick sentinel https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DTVxmKRF64ZqpaWf#fight=8

Prepare to laugh 😆

[chilly brook]

No kekw

Just slap that shiz on CD

[strong forum]

How the fuck

What is this log man

[chilly brook]

Unless you're delaying for a specific mechanic

[shell hare]

Wtf for real I used to do that but I noticed my dps going up in keys when I demo avatar AA

[surreal plinth]

LOL

[red wave]

Oh-my-christ.

[chilly brook]

Like sludge pillars

[surreal plinth]

Hahahhahahahaha

[sick sentinel]

@surreal plinth Youre a beast!!! LOL

Good shitt

[surreal plinth]

My off tank on sun king kinda just sits there

[red wave]

I will say KT is a weird one because people don't understand what to do for. But the Artificer isn't much better 😄

[shell hare]

LOL

[uneven mason]

wtf you found all the ♿ paladins we lost back in Legion

6 paladins in that raid?

[sick sentinel]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Im rolling

[chilly brook]

People doing 2k dps on normal sun king over 200 ilvl

👀

[uneven mason]

Maybe they were bandaging

[surreal plinth]

Like I said. Old casual people

[uneven mason]

People that have any trash spawn at all on normal Sunking over 200ilvl

[surreal plinth]

At least we've cleared normal a few times that was a plus lol

[uneven mason]

We literally pull him, guardian, I RC and our protadin LOHs

"Phase"

you don't even get any phase 1 trash

[sick sentinel]

@chilly brook So, to recap....you don't save AA for Avatar at all? You just full send it on CD as long as it makes sense pack wise

[uneven mason]

you just pump whatever is up

[chilly brook]

I dont

Just slap it when it's up

[sick sentinel]

Aight for sure

[uneven mason]

when you're doing M+ its nice to have more than 1 CD

so avatar give you good aggro, ravager gives good aggro and AA gives good aggro.

[chilly brook]

Delaying it for avatar is 15 seconds

[uneven mason]

thats way too much of its CD

[chilly brook]

Which would mean every 5 casts you lost an extra cast

Or something like that

[uneven mason]

you're basically sacrificing the bonus dmg from the conduit