I'm tempted to go venth because it feels like I'm going to have to go dps if I want to raid atm 😦
#protection
wet compass
uneven mason
Whysthat?
wet compass
either that or rebuild a guild from the ground up which ugh
uneven mason
Oh yeah, doing that
wet compass
stuck morning raiding
uneven mason
myself
wet compass
so very very limited options
uneven mason
Not like people are searching for DPS warrior spots either.
I could use another, but i Need a few more ranged before I bring in a 9th melee
wet compass
I mean easier to find one than a tanking spot
uneven mason
maybe
balmy coral
Would you take 95 crit & 89 vers over 94 haste anbd 70 vers? 207 vs 194 ring)
uneven mason
207
wet compass
I mean the other thing is with exploiter venth is going to be free 2.1 arguably 2.4
jesus one of the top slg kills for warriors has 16 PIs what the literal fuck
uneven mason
Yeah
thats where we are atm
WCL should just strike all multi pi logs from the rankings
wet compass
eh that's a bit much numbers are okay
quaint tundra
Guys, if I want to multi spec my alt and play only m+, which one is the best covenant?
uneven mason
erm, so you want to tank M+
or DPS M+
or both
either way, Kyrian or NF is going to be strong for Burst aggro
Venthyr is fine, but doesn't have an AE option
chilly brook
I mean the other thing is with exploiter venth is going to be free 2.1 arguably ...
Just be bagheera and pvp as fury with NF and clap people with 23k crits from ancient Aftershock
uneven mason
Just be bagheera and pvp as fury with NF and clap people with 23k crits from anc...
this.
It hits so hard
on that first burst
wet compass
thing about exploiter is you can set it up multiple times
uneven mason
Frequently find people lighting up Execute after 1 hit of buffed AA
balmy coral
Never tell someone with an OS of arms/fury to switch from Venthyr
uneven mason
Why not?
balmy coral
Got my ass chewed out for that one
uneven mason
ok
balmy coral
Went to the fury discord asking kyrian vs necro for Prot with OS of Fury...
deep steppe
I off-spec arms and am kyrian so
uneven mason
Venthyr is about the only thing that props fury up ST DPS
which is the ouchy point
NF is ahead in M+ burst
which is fury's primary function in M+
Necrolord might help fury's ST damage as well
since that mastery + str buff is fairly massive
balmy coral
Our arms warrior is Kyrian, she is 8 ilevels ahead of me and when I go arms I best her by 2k dps usually
uneven mason
Sounds like a gameplay issue.
deep steppe
^
balmy coral
Oh yea, she's dead most fights
deep steppe
thats not a covenant thing then lmao
balmy coral
I parse in the low purple, she's usually grey
uneven mason
Both
NF or Kyrian is your "both" covenants but really any are functional, just for AE burst those are the 2 options.
uneven mason
I parse in the low purple, she's usually grey
sounds like nothing to do with covenant
quaint tundra
NF or Kyrian is your "both" covenants but really any are functional, just for AE...
Cool, thanks
balmy coral
SDhould I macro Avatar into something like Demo Shout?
ionic fern
No.
chilly brook
Venthyr is about the only thing that props fury up ST DPS
Not really
Like I said the difference between venth and NF for me is 50 dps
signal plover
Pssh not even 69 dps
balmy coral
[Hymnal of the Path] any good for prot?
I LOVE it on my prot paladin, accounts for 5-6% of my damage
chilly brook
Went to the fury discord asking kyrian vs necro for Prot with OS of Fury...
To be fair you got chewed out for saying that Venthyr doesnt do anything for prot in raids
ionic fern
[Hymnal of the Path] any good for prot?
Yes. Roughly the same overall Damage.
uneven mason
I am low on verse btw
don't worry about different stats, worry about ilvl, vers is a meme from 8.3 corruptions
chilly brook
don't worry about different stats, worry about ilvl, vers is a meme from 8.3 cor...
This
Or you're just pushing super high keys and actually can get a ton of vers from pvp gear
balmy coral
Should I just reroll BM Monk? LMAO
balmy coral
Is [Instructor's Divine Bell] any good tho with mastery so bad?
uneven mason
BrM is fairly squish in raids too
balmy coral
It'sd my highest ilevel trinket
signal plover
Mastery isn't "so bad"
chilly brook
I'd equip it and a proc trinket then
Or just sim your highest dps combo
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
balmy coral
It's for prot
chilly brook
Yea
I know
Trinkets aren't super valuable outside of damage as a tank unless it's a big haste proc or it's something like Scale
balmy coral
[Splintered Heart of Al'ar] ilevel 200 [Anima Field Emitter] ilevel 197 [Instructor's Divine Bell] ilevel 203 [Hymnal of the Path] ilevel 187
[Wakener's Frond]?
How good is Heart of Al'ar?
uneven mason
its good at killing rogues that vanish last second on wipes
uneven mason
can't wait to open my vault tomorrow
get a 226 AFE
I just know it, my luck is going to be good.
deep steppe
sweet kayak
Is this normal? he got 500 million hp and one shooting me
modern brook
sounds like floor 17 stuff
sweet kayak
yeah floor 18
modern brook
yeah it means your anima sucks
uneven mason
Anime always sucks
You're not wrong.
open monolith
@sweet kayak did you, or someone else in your party, disconnect at some point?
There's been a bug since shadowlands released that causes extreme scaling in torghast when somebody dcs
sweet kayak
<@225982467713138688> did you, or someone else in your party, disconnect at some...
omg yes shaman dc'ed -.-
balmy coral
Which is is preferred, spear or Aftershock for mythic+
modern brook
infact if u scroll up to the convo around 3 hours ago you can get the whole gambit
uneven mason
they're both good for burst aggro, both have CC qualities, SPear is targetable and tethers, AA is a cone burst that stun/knockdown interrupt.
uneven mason
infact if u scroll up to the convo around 3 hours ago you can get the whole gam...
☝️
balmy coral
How do we feel about necrolords in next patch?
Having a30% on demand reduction is nice
balmy coral
20%*
uneven mason
and its a strong group buff
we feel
that its not complete garbage anymore
and is competitive
with the other covenants
modern brook
Unusable -> considerable
signal plover
I enjoy watching ikari slowly lose his mind in here
uneven mason
I enjoy watching ikari slowly lose his mind in here
It got lost long ago, when preach said BFA Alpha warriors were in a good spot
balmy coral
And Fae>Kyrian for Fury right?
uneven mason
Remember Bolster v 1.0
snow tusk
bois, currently progging lady. you got any helpful tipps?
signal plover
Kek
uneven mason
Bolster v1.0 caused my mind to run screaming into the night.
"Its ironfur but worse"
"Oh and its a talent"
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
modern brook
bois, currently progging lady. you got any helpful tipps?
inervas just a mechanics gauntlet. keep the gameplay tight and dps
uneven mason
bois, currently progging lady. you got any helpful tipps?
externals are your friend when you're forced to turn your back
signal plover
Or when you have to tank add with boss stacks
uneven mason
☝️
signal plover
Since u usually have to save SR for immune cheese
snow tusk
i feel like i am spaming to much IP while offtanking due to the dot
uneven mason
Lady D is a throwback to early BFA when we had to call for externals to deal with more mechanics than we had CDs for (which was rare)
snow tusk
(playing prot for a week by now)
uneven mason
i feel like i am spaming to much IP while offtanking due to the dot
Literally what you should do
snow tusk
alrighty
signal plover
A weakaura+an obnoxious sound helps a lot for facing the tank adds, especially in the last 30% when shit ramps up
uneven mason
that DoT big ouch
You want to mitigate as hard as possible when dealing with the add + Debuff
since that thing trucks
signal plover
^ this combo is why AM> Bolster on the fight
snow tusk
i am alternating between Shieldwall and avatar + demo shout for rage to spam IP
uneven mason
you want that SW on 1min
yes
I'd almost say be tempted to ravager on it for the burst of rage income
even tho ITF gives more over the fight
signal plover
Nah ITF is very smooth
snow tusk
is it fine to not use avatar for damage and instead only use it for rage?
ionic fern
What on earth?
uneven mason
wat
deep steppe
uneven mason
I mean, I wouldn't reccomend it
if you mean sitting on it for the rage burst on the add?
Just think over the course of the fight you'll take less damage if you kill faster.
mossy sluice
just hold the 20 rage that it gives you
haughty sleet
Is sin touched blade reflectable?
fallow beacon
Nope
modern brook
Wait how do you intend to not do 20% more damage during avatars durration?
snow tusk
i dont like this boss as a freshly rerolled prot warri :/
mossy sluice
over half the damage i take on that fight is the dot
uneven mason
over half the damage i take on that fight is the dot
DoTs this tier tho, Sire's DoT is quite possibly my least favorite mechanic since Zul progression
stray gazelle
which slot should craft reprisal legs or boots?
mossy sluice
prob legs
uneven mason
doubtful anyones near the 8000 cap
mossy sluice
being over 5150 just means you dont have to do snoreghast 🙂
uneven mason
right.
Like my deathmaker that I used all of but once, when I tried to raid as fury because I Couldn't get a 2h over 184 ilvl
modern brook
I was personally going to go boots to replace my TL
pants have a higher stat budget than shoes so you go pants
uneven mason
But what if we don't wear pants
modern brook
you can go shoes if you want but you're giving up like 7 str, in theory
for nor eason other than you wanted some jordans
and listen if ur styling ur styling i aint gunna tell you not to but.
radiant kraken
No, thats a good point. I was not thinking of it that way
mossy sluice
is there a way to change what slot a legendary is in, or do you have to fully recraft
modern brook
IIRC the order is something close to Chest helm legs> hands boots belt > wrist>back
Jewlery is ina werid spot
uneven mason
Jewlery has high 2ndary budge
modern brook
where you generally want it over other options as Str loses value due to more ilvl gains
uneven mason
it beats wrist and back iirc
modern brook
But if you do PVP at all ever
you want to lave them open for High verse options
since the leggos are 50/50
Beating wrists and backs sounds right if you ignore that caveat though
spring quartz
Man I got flamed hard practicing some keys tonight
radiant kraken
I've learned so many things today that I just never gave a second thought about before. I also feel like I'm going to have to hop on the PTR and test out NL w/ Reprisal too
tender carbon
Man I got flamed hard practicing some keys tonight
I’m sure every dps kicked perfectly and didn’t take avoidable damage 👍
ionic fern
People complaining "Why are there so few tanks????"
Also people when a new tank is trying to get into it "TRASH TANK L2P"
spring quartz
I’m sure every dps kicked perfectly and didn’t take avoidable damage 👍
Hahah they didn’t, but there were some things I could have improved
uneven mason
"interrupts - Tank 18, healer 4, DPSdude 1, DPSdude 1, DPSdude 0"
tender carbon
I mained outlaw in bfa, and the amount of rogues that don’t properly gouge, blind, and even now kidney is astonishing
uneven mason
The only time pug DPS interrupts is when they accidentally hit their AE Stun because they got hit by an AE and panicked.
spring quartz
It’s all good, it’s just discouraging man cuz it feels like you got 4 pairs of eyes on you when you screw up
spring quartz
But I told myself I’m gonna tank my way to KSM so, here we are 😂
signal plover
It's easy to assign blame rather than self reflect
astral crystal
tanking is the most thankless job in WoW
uneven mason
Last PUG that told me I was trash was a Resto Druid that I was beating on healing
Warrior healing
spring quartz
Lmaooo
tender carbon
How’s he supposed to heal you whilst boomkin convoking?
uneven mason
He was still better than the pug HPriest who died to the same mechanic twice (2nd time was a Bres). And then quit the party.
First boss in a 14 PF
uneven mason
How’s he supposed to heal you whilst boomkin convoking?
wasn't even NF
radiant kraken
It’s all good, it’s just discouraging man cuz it feels like you got 4 pairs of e...
This is why I hesitate to pug.. because no matter how much you do to make things work... it's always the "fucking trash tank"
deep steppe
yeah @spring quartz dont worry about those people. I had people tell me I couldn't tank 10's in BFA unless i had all max vers corruptions. I beat them to KSM both in BFA and this one. Some people are just dumb
uneven mason
This is why I hesitate to pug.. because no matter how much you do to make things...
People still think its Legion when a good tank could literally carry any key.
Or rather, when Corruption stacking was around
pine marsh
How is the honor haste procc trinket?
uneven mason
and the same thing happened
spring quartz
Thanks for the encouragement dudes 💛 I’ll keep at it, just not used to it
uneven mason
How is the honor haste procc trinket?
Solid for its ilvl
pine marsh
Solid for its ilvl
Thanks
tender carbon
Thanks for the encouragement dudes 💛 I’ll keep at it, just not used to it
Flip your chat window off or to combat log or something, just focus on the key and don’t get tilted by them
uneven mason
Nah, gotta communicate
tender carbon
Hardly
uneven mason
Like I've found when in pugs
If you actually setup expectations that they interrupt
some of them manage to find the button
tender carbon
You can have chat off and still assign interrupts at the start if necessary
I mean you aren’t gonna be typing boss mechanics before a pull lol
We are at the point in the season where at a reasonable level most people know their job and what to do
signal plover
@chilly brook please clip that in action
deep steppe
We are at the point in the season where at a reasonable level most people know t...
you have a lot of faith in the wow community. I envy you
chilly brook
Communicating expectations is great
Tbh
I've had groups do it to me and it works fine
Like on explosive weeks getting asked to get them etc.
chilly brook
<@133532617940140032> please clip that in action
Will do chief
signal plover
Oooo bb
chilly brook
Will probably be as fury but I definitely will clip it
I cant wait to have that play 3x in the same fight on council
jagged pier
doing council right now want it to end
uneven mason
I can imagine that is somewhat obnoxious on mythic
does everyone just kite the gargs and do Niklaus last?
feral gale
Council is horrible as a block tank lol... free backshots from Evasive Lunge all day long
plus their horrible hitbox/models, moving stavros around is its own journey
fast latch
So. I did 10/10M on my DH but haven’t gotten passed sludge yet on my warrior, swapped because we finally recruited a warrior. Anyone have any big tips for SLG? I’ll most likely be the Kaal tank during p1/intermission.
uneven mason
Council is horrible as a block tank lol... free backshots from Evasive Lunge all...
L2 spin
feral gale
okay... but seriously
uneven mason
glad you got block
feral gale
yeah he does, especially at 4-5 stacks of riposte
deep steppe
uneven mason
Sounds like a Bolster
feral gale
i don't think our raid has enough externals, our palys would die instantly lol
jagged pier
i can take 8
uneven mason
Yeah thats why you have warrior tank Nik final phase
jagged pier
and we have 3 shammys and a disc priest
feral gale
yeah I am tanking Nik final phase, that's where we are at, just getting to final dance and burn
snow tusk
16% lady, i feel stressed xD
uneven mason
16% lady, i feel stressed xD
Just relax, let the anger flow
snow tusk
i'm getting the hang of it
feral gale
SR is fat mit on the tank mechanic and you can reflect back the specter's (large add) debuff if that helps
uneven mason
tanks get targeted by that on mythic?
feral gale
you have to tank the specter, what do you mean of course
small marsh
Which DH leggo is the one everyone hates? Fiery Brand seems good but it's single target
snow tusk
it's aoe if specced into it
uneven wagon
idk if there's a meme channel so this goes in here
snow tusk
it spreads every 2 seconds
small marsh
What the fuhhuucckkkk
feral gale
yeah and comes back really quick with that leggo if you decree properly after
small marsh
Yeah
uneven mason
Its near 100% uptime
How to be meta tank - Have legendaries and talents enjoy synergy and don't nerf all of them into the dirt before release.
feral gale
im looking forward to that reprisal legendary coming up, pls don't let it be nerfed
small marsh
I'm still mad mirror got gutted
uneven mason
eh
small marsh
I really like it
uneven mason
Mirror would've been niche
small marsh
Just because it's interesting
uneven mason
but seriously
small marsh
Yeah
uneven mason
Reprisal still isn't anywhere close to brand
small marsh
Mirror would not have been overpowered because 80% of the shit you care about you can't reflect anyway
uneven mason
but we're acting as if its the 3rd coming of Green Jesus
uneven mason
If like, SW had a base 1min CD
small marsh
<cries because I know the answer is no>
feral gale
it helps a lot though with that initial decision of threat vs mit on pulls in keys
you can actually IP much faster than sitting there getting chunked building rage because you had to blow a revenge or 2 before kiting
uneven mason
<cries because I know the answer is no>
No, the 1min CD they have on Meta is
small marsh
Yeah it's kinda depressing that the OH MY GOD BY FAR THE BEST LEGENDARY leggo makes DH go "eh yeah that's nice* in comparison
feral gale
lol, just wait until gear gets high enough that DHs run raz's in high keys
then you will cri big
small marsh
High keys being like 20+?
mighty valley
The wowhead writer is, uh, kinda hyperbolic on reprisal lol
uneven mason
lol, just wait until gear gets high enough that DHs run raz's in high keys
They can't because they require brand or die.
small marsh
Honestly I'm a complete casual, I just want to be able to be an okay tank while hauling my friends through 15s
mighty valley
oh then prot warrior is more than fine for you
feral gale
you can 100% do 15s as a war
small marsh
Idc about 20+ big kid pants keys lol
uneven mason
you can do any logical key as prot
uneven mason
lol, just wait until gear gets high enough that DHs run raz's in high keys
If they fixed our damage output warriors are more than face tanky enough to head into the 20s in 220+ gear.
feral gale
its just kite meta is super unfriendly to us even with spear of bastion, it's kind of absurd
small marsh
Oh actually realtalk question what kind of healing input should I expect from a healer in like +10 to +15
uneven mason
The damage gap right now is just killing us.
small marsh
On average
sharp ruin
Hey guys, new prot warrior player. Does anyone have a good scale for pawn? sick of the built in scale
mighty valley
what's your ilvl? you don't need to kite super constantly in 15s
uneven mason
Hey guys, new prot warrior player. Does anyone have a good scale for pawn? sick ...
Don't pawn
ever
small marsh
It's hard to tell sometimes whether I'm taking too much damage or the healer sucks
mighty valley
jump/intervene is good enough
feral gale
im 223, my healer can't keep me up he says my bar don't move
and no i know how to mitigate lol
i even run The Wall
deep steppe
I literally dont kite in 15/16s unless its like, necrotic, or someone dies
sharp ruin
@uneven mason oh, is it bad? any alternatives?
sharp ruin
😦
uneven mason
Warriors use ilvl > all
small marsh
I've had some healers keep me up no problem at like 2k HPS, I've had others toss me on the floor a million times at like 3.5-4k hps
grand drum
with reprisal we can go AM right?
wet compass
I just play fury since my best friend in guild is our other tank so we play stuff together course guild dead now sooo 😦
feral gale
there are points to aim for secondary wise though, such as 28% haste for a 12 sec shield block recharge
uneven mason
in equal ilvl you wear haste > vers > crit > mastery
mighty valley
something is going horribly wrong if a healer can't keep a 223 tank of any spec alive
sharp ruin
feral gale
but into the fray (in raid) can cover gaps
uneven mason
there are points to aim for secondary wise though, such as 28% haste for a 12 se...
You stack ilvl, if you get that point great.
small marsh
Is itf any good in m+
uneven mason
But you're not going to dump ilvl for more haste (caveat on ring/neck 5~ ilvl for big haste gains)
mighty valley
it's fine but ravager is great
small marsh
Yeah I love ravager :(
uneven mason
Ravager is our burst aggro/rage gen
feral gale
yeah 100% on the ilvl vs stat thing
deep steppe
Is itf any good in m+
its worse than ravager
small marsh
But I want that haste so bad
uneven mason
Don't get hung up on haste
deep steppe
you can worry about haste when you're ilvl capped
uneven mason
right.
feral gale
we don't really have any 'useless' secondaries. you could say mastery is crap at a certain point but even then the attack power adds to ignore pain size
uneven mason
and I mean, it gives A L O T of critical block.
feral gale
so can you actually block evasive lunge in council? my logs show i somehow blocked it 1 time in 21 pulls
uneven mason
Yes, turn around
feral gale
i don't want to clap my raid because i faced poorly at the last second
uneven mason
turn your camera
hold left click, then when he casts, right click, you'll instant 180
make sure to spin back around
sturdy sable
I mean you don't necessarily need to then back around you could just do 180s
feral gale
so from the time frame where he finishes the cast to when he appears behind you?
uneven mason
yeah you could just backpedal a step....
sturdy sable
Ye
feral gale
because pretty sure when he's casting he's still picking the direction
uneven mason
I'll test that on tues I guess.
feral gale
well that's helpful, it's not like that is killing me while we prog or anything but good to know
my other tank is a bear and is just like LOL DMG
feral gale
pretty sure he lived 2-3 xymox bombs one pull when i died
solo
they're v tanky right now, except i can pull threat off him with shield slams, lol
uneven mason
was doing an alt/app heroic run on Sat
uneven wagon
unstoppable force kinda sucks now right
uneven wagon
it seems so good on paper
uneven mason
Because the DKs "armor" stayed alive after container breach
it doesn't though?
Because it increases our lowest DPS ability
30% Of nearly nothing is still nearly nothing
a lot of GCDs spent on a feather duster
deep steppe
revenge?
deep steppe
shield slam?
idk i dont have rage issues in m+
or raid tbh
i mean like
i still push t-clap
but its not like
i dont worry to make sure i'm doing it on CD
feral gale
yeah demo is your filler essentially or if you know it gets big value on a larger pull
deep steppe
yeah that style is mostly dead
mighty valley
you still press TC sometimes but revenge will end up the bulk of your aoe damage
floral pewter
wait so what do you press instead then
You use TC of course, because it's free damage and generates rage
floral pewter
but 4 extra claps every 90 seconds is just not anywhere near as good as what the other talents do
uneven wagon
I just try not to use revenge if I don't proc it in trash pulls in dungeons
signal plover
Oof
uneven wagon
can press ignore pain more often
uneven wagon
ill try
signal plover
Revenge is a huge portion of our dmg
uneven wagon
i was using it too much before maybe im using it too little now
signal plover
In most situations where you're not in danger it's the better spend over IP (SB always has priority whent along block able dmg)
deep steppe
IP is like a damage smoother
feral gale
you should always have an IP rolling if mid pull but yeah no need to feed all your rage into it
plus it's kind of a trap to refill it before it's been emptied
uneven wagon
i try not to do that
ive just been more focused on making my healer's life easy than clearing trash quicker
probably not a big deal cause im still learning sl dungeons
but ill do more revenging
feral gale
making your healers life easy = stepping out to kite and let them catch up imo
uneven wagon
also I like your pfp @feral gale
solemn magnet
Yeah
civic rover
epic
deep steppe
@uneven wagon sorry this is late, i just found an 15 SD log of mine that was timed
just to kinda show like my casting of stuff
I'm not necessarily good at this game but i can do ok sometimes
low stone
So as covenants go in 9.0.5, as a Fury main that will be helping as Prot Warrior from time to time, how viable will the new Necrolord banner be for Prot?
stray gazelle
pretty good prob #1 in utility for raid tank
chilly brook
Wouldn't be first pick for a fury main who will tank from time to time
Nor for most prot mains tbh
It will be more in line with other options but likely behind them without playing around it heavily
I.e. less good for your average raid
deep steppe
for your average prot person NF/Kyrian will be better, and while i dont dps often, Venthyr will (I assume) still be better for your avg DPS
patent osprey
I try to always stress that it will be very good in the highest of coordinated groups who Play around it. but for the average player it won't feel good. In a scripted raid fight will be probably very good as well for prot mains in raid
little rune
whats the best trinket to pair with Stone Legions stat stick for Sludgefist MM
altimor's?
or which trinkets would you consider the best for that fight
static shore
So as protection we are crafting reprisal in 9.0.5 ?
timber nest
how do we feel about IQD?
quiet crane
When does 9.0.5 drop sometime this month?
lavish oracle
Yeah, probably before the end of march
mystic zodiac
Best spec to torghast with?
red wave
About to switch to my warrior as raiding Main (Mythic Raider), and noticing my DPS and HPS feels extremely low compared to... Well any of my other tanks. I checked WCLogs and it seems to be the case, but are you guys feeling squishy in Mythic raiding at all? I'm sure the Charge lego will help a lot in 9.0.5.
Only warrior* tanked heroic on alt clear so far, but was ~214 in it so might just out-gear it.
static shore
Bro I’m tanking mythic with my cots I being dk blood , he always outdps me / out heal me but even tho on logs it seems I’m taking less dmg , I’m always the one being almost always low hp
Co- tank*
narrow sparrow
what's the deal with the charge legendary in 9.0.5?
static shore
We are trying to kill artificer and when I get the glyph of destruction (I have 70khp buffed with stamina flask) I return with 10k !!!!
narrow sparrow
stamina flask seems weird
static shore
Spell reflection is a complete shit !
chilly brook
@signal plover It actually works lmao lemme get a clip
red wave
what's the deal with the charge legendary in 9.0.5?
The Reprisal rework. I just call it charge lego, probably bad wording for it.
I know having near 100% uptime on Shield Block again if it goes live will be a huge boost
narrow sparrow
that's interesting but seems a bit clunky
grand drum
im ready. although im gonna wait to upgrade in case it gets nerfed lol
gentle notch
Having intervene on a mouse over macro makes it pretty easy
grand drum
that's interesting but seems a bit clunky
yea having to weave charge in and out would be clunky as hell
narrow sparrow
I have it on mouse over, are you just doing it to your cotank?
gentle notch
or a random melee dps
whoever is in range
Its not like the redirect portion of the ability is that important in raiding
red wave
Yea it's going to be quite easy to maintain IMO. But I use Intervene consistently already
signal plover
@chilly brook o snap lets gooooo
gentle notch
Exactly, not really looking that clunky
the worst part might be trying to get a charge of in m+ when you have stacked all mobs already and want another block
red wave
It could be interesting. I plan on using the Charge on engage, intevene while waiting for SB Charge 1 to return, then most situations pack is dead. 100% uptime on SB. High keys it'll be easy AF since I use Intervene to kite anyway.
I think it's going to really separate a warrior who uses their toolkit from a charge-TClap 8.3 warrior, personally.
Assuming it hits live in it's current state as a lot of people say it's way too good.
gentle notch
I mean, if the lowest dps tank has the best mitigation
I don't really see the problem with that
robust surge
grand drum
hows our dps with reprisal compared to now?
shell hare
how are you guys dealing with the imps on echelon in HOA (2nd boss) having trouble grouping them on the 3rd wave, theyre just at the wall spamming bolts
Also I know that stigma of pride is not reflectable on lord chamberlin but im guessing we want to save reflect for the spell DR for the last few ticks?
vestal moat
New PTR build up apparently.
hoping no reprisal nerf and mauybe even a baseline b uff? is that too much?
amber herald
mobs won't run through pools and if they're attacked before they get to the middle they stop as well
two main reasons why they won't group up
uneven mason
<@!133532617940140032> o snap lets gooooo
what fantastic thing is Griff going to get nerfed now?
amber herald
warrior doesn't have anything to bring them in unfortunately except for an interrupt
signal plover
@uneven mason lol a WA that yells during execute
wanton condor
basically everyone stacks on middle and doesn't do AOE until they're stacked
uneven mason
Oh ok I was wondering if he had discovered that reprisal works for fury and that Revenge! makes slam free
mighty valley
do HOA with a necrolord DK and cheat
sick sentinel
i got 3,375 SA and both my r4 TW and TL
unique shale
can someone explain why reprisal is good on 9.0.5 ?
i mean how much is better then the wall
and damage increase
amber herald
boomkins can also ursol's vortex and then typhoon everything, works similar to dk chains
sick sentinel
yeah, you could do that as bear some time ago it was fantastic
just stack up the entire group of mobs into 1 area for easy aoe..
grand drum
can someone explain why reprisal is good on 9.0.5 ?
you get nearly 100% block uptime and thats why its good. idk about the dps though
vestal moat
dps is from a lot more free revenges and being able to switch to anger maangement
mighty valley
It's like a free 70 rage on the pull and then every intervene which means more revenge casts
gentle notch
Yep PTR build is release canditate and no changes to reprisal
Start to feel hope gang
mighty valley
Gonna get used to it, intervene on sludgefist, die
gentle notch
Nah just innervene the closest melee dps make him the 2nd closest target but take his hit
ez pz
zenith barn
so i just finished leveling my prot warrior saturday and made the wall should i get ready to make reprisal after reset then?
waxen cradle
so far seeing nothing in this PTR build suggesting a nerf to the change they made to Reprisal
vestal moat
just gotta hold on a bit longer!
once it goes live and we all make it
they cant nerf it
zenith barn
lol
floral pewter
dps is from a lot more free revenges and being able to switch to anger maangemen...
also, more SB uptime = more buffed shield slams
chilly brook
mission accomplished @signal plover
lime orchid
#reprisalbandwagon
sick sentinel
im not sure its great yet, but i do have 3.3k soul ash
crimson vortex
Does that mean everyone is going reprisal for sure hoping they won’t nerf? I’m thinking about offspec and learning prot and debating what to build for now, nothing else to spend ash on
signal plover
@chilly brook omg it has the music ramping at increasing volume?
that's incredible
unique shale
Does that mean everyone is going reprisal for sure hoping they won’t nerf? I’m t...
you will be fine without lego unless you wanna be hardcore
chilly brook
<@!133532617940140032> omg it has the music ramping at increasing volume?
That's just the way the song is yea
crimson vortex
you will be fine without lego unless you wanna be hardcore
Awesome thanks
signal plover
the way it lined up in that vid with your reck was insane LOL
calm raven
given that reprisal buff made it to live, does it make warrior be somewhat competitive to dh on high keys? since i dont know the spec's position right now idk if %100 block uptime enough for it to be viable.
lime orchid
given that reprisal buff made it to live, does it make warrior be somewhat compe...
It would close the gap for burst aoe aggro, controlled melee dmg reduction for sure.. just theorycrafting tho
compact palm
Frankly on high keys or still lacks the DMG of veng
gentle notch
However Prot warriors might be able to bring more DPS oriented healers like venthyr paladins more often
since they should in theory be tankier
calm raven
how much damage does block mitigate exactly? like on a 220ilvl warr for example
final axle
Is NF higher single target than venthyr?
gentle notch
If you don't critical block you always mitigate 30%
Now the more mastery you have the more chance you have to block 60%
The time of the necrolord mastery stacking prot warrior has come!
calm raven
%30 + %40 or just %40?
tender imp
the base is 40% crit is 80%
mighty valley
you can see it on the character pane
calm raven
i dont have a warr rn :/
gentle notch
Oh my apologies I took my numbers from wowpedia
mighty valley
I have a 213 shield, I block 37.69%
wowpedia is sometimes like... a decade out of date
calm raven
hmm so if i understand it correctly base stats doesnt grant baseline mitigation increase but mastery increases your chance to crit block?
mighty valley
mastery also increases your chance to regular block... but most of the time you have shield block up for 100% so that part doesn't matter so much
mighty valley
congrats!!
uneven mason
and clean killed it
chilly brook
<@!133532617940140032> 93 pulls
ayyyy
calm raven
i dont know how much it scales with mastery but it sounds like even with reworked reprisal, survivability is compareble to dh which dh requires less prep
calm raven
<@!133532617940140032> 93 pulls
gz
mighty valley
DH can just contribute so much more from range than we can, so they can kite and keep throwing sigils
wanton condor
woot, nice job
mighty valley
like we're more than ok at normal key levels
uneven mason
DH can just contribute so much more from range than we can, so they can kite and...
DH literally can do their rotation at 40 yards, after blowing meta and generating enough aggro to choke a donkey
wanton condor
mastery basically gives you mastery % change to double block, 2/3mastery to attack, 1/3 mastery to normal block
midnight stone
You'd think with an adjective like Heroic it would do more
compact palm
Just make it a stick of dinomite and we are talking
hexed rune
Explosive throw
final axle
At least apply our dot
Actually thats the best idea ever. Get me a job on their dev team.
compact palm
Apply our dot and hamstring
calm raven
Actually thats the best idea ever. Get me a job on their dev team.
i find it hard to believe that there is a "team" lol
compact palm
I'm already engi for the portals
final axle
I'm really curious about single target venthyr vs single target NF. As venthyr my damage is great, especially on single target bosses. 90+ except on stone and sire since I haven't done much. I'm thinking about switching but doesn't seem worth it since I'm not pushing mythic+
And condemn is fun as hell
Like maybe the soulbinds on NF push it ahead for single target?
Ah screw it venthyr is too much fun
spice anchor
For 9.0.5 will warrior m+ be necro or will nightfae outperform the group buff due to aoe damage?
rare kraken
Necrolord will not get stronger than the other 3, it'll get closer
The flat mastery is only beneficial for certain classes and is affected by DR
compact palm
The str buff could be nice with the conduit
coarse kestrel
But other than that emeni looks like such a bad soulbind, or am I missing something
Serrated Spaulders looks ok on heirmir
compact palm
The soulbinds them selves for necro seem very lacking yeah
wanton condor
emeni can you get burst phases + move and fleshcraft, heimier has a bit of dps stuff and serrated spaulders which I'm not sure the damage on, marileth is very dungeon dependent if he's workable but is much easier now that fleshcraft autoeats
sick sentinel
"I think the change for Necrolord will make Necro BIS for Prot warrior in Raids but I think itll make prot warrior bis for High keys in a very coordinated group. If you are doing keys less than like 20, then Kyrian or NF are probably better for overall play and performance. Trying to align banner in pugs is more difficult than one would think and doesn't help you with initial threat or aggro. I don't think unbreakable Will Leggo will be very good. I think The wall is just a better version of that" Here's the Plka opinion
idk everyone is hyping banner so much but yeah for pugs it seems terrible
with druids pressing convoke every cd without thinking etc
heavy sail
It’s all about coordination.
Plka is right.
I think it will certainly make Prot one of the most desirable tanks at the highest level.
If you play mostly pugs and mostly without voice comms, of course it’ll be diminishing returns for you. That says more about you or the people you play with than the strength of the ability, though.
sick sentinel
Imo prot will be where monk or pally is right now. Not top, not bottom, just in the middle
My i hope im wrong
and it will be tier S
unique shale
<@!133532617940140032> 93 pulls
gz
unique shale
Imo prot will be where monk or pally is right now. Not top, not bottom, just in ...
according to pug world prot is F tier tank
they took druid over me in HOA
compact palm
Got flamed by a hpala the other day just for playing prot war
Got so confused I was like bro it's a 9
unique shale
Got flamed by a hpala the other day just for playing prot war
just got flamed for helping tank for crush last boss of de other side.
compact palm
Nani
unique shale
you can SR crush
compact palm
Yeah ik
unique shale
tank died twice for crush XD
compact palm
People just flame without knowledge
unique shale
after two death he decided to back off
compact palm
Watched one of preaches recent vids
His healer thought it was a dps problem that bomb slime exploded on plagfall second boss
When tank was ranking purple on-top of it
unique shale
lol
compact palm
People just get mad without asking questions
unique shale
people barely know how to play their own meta classes
i got flamed many times for asking hunter to give aggro buff
compact palm
Yea I've seen so many people get carried just by their class and ignoring mechanics
Prob didn't have it bound tbh
unique shale
lol
compact palm
With the quality of hunters I've been getting I wouldn't be surprised
unique shale
or don't know what is it
compact palm
Oof
unique shale
and she was keep healing us and she told me she know about it XD
compact palm
Isn't bursting next week too
compact palm
Might be flaming some preists in the near future then
unique shale
easy week with two priest
vague jetty
what is the affix rotation for next week?
unique shale
what is the affix rotation for next week?
Fortified
Bursting
Volcanic
Prideful
compact palm
Honestly it's my highest timed right now too xd
unique shale
it is gorgeous place
compact palm
Its not bad after the nerfs tbh
But explosive and the tornado one are really annoying in small areas
Quaking too
unique shale
indeed
compact palm
Quaking on second boss with like 3 melee is insanely bad
compact palm
Next week ur healer gunna hate u
unique shale
why XD
compact palm
They gunna dodge 5 volcanic alone the whole dungeon
unique shale
😛
compact palm
Xd
compact palm
I go eberallyn
Autocorrect
I go with any of them and it seems fine
Can get spotty with paladin I've noticed
unique shale
oh yeah
compact palm
Mabey just a skill thing tho
unique shale
pala healing is odd for me
compact palm
Its weird some weeks but war has odd synergy with them too
unique shale
monks are good with right camps
compact palm
We can aoe taunt when they bop
Yea monk really good
R o p mostly tho
Its a lofesaver
unique shale
holy priest good too if they know how to play otherwise they going oom after each packs
compact palm
Don't think I've ever seen a hpriesy go oom
They spamming aoebheals or something
They heal prideful insanely well
Kinda same thing as shaman but with less utility
sick sentinel
As a healer main i can say i dont care what class i heal as long as its not blood dk
everything else is gucci
compact palm
Haha
unique shale
compact palm
Blood kinda heals themselves
unique shale
i couldn't heal bdk on my alt healer
compact palm
If they die its generally on them
sick sentinel
If you dont heal them they die, if you heal them they die but you waste more mana
wanton condor
bdk is fun, although playing with one it's just a roller coaster watching their health until they run out of CDs then it's "book it lads" and they're off to the races at a very modest speed
unique shale
If you dont heal them they die, if you heal them they die but you waste more man...
exactly this
compact palm
Def is ded
unique shale
best healers for bdks are druid and dics priests
timber lagoon
Runic power tracking weakaura helps a lot, but yeah if they die they die lol
compact palm
Yea if they got no power they need heals big
unique shale
i had easier time healing bdh in discord they would call out for heals or cds from me
compact palm
True
compact palm
In a full run of a dung?
unique shale
y
unique shale
they truly wants us to be F tier tank in everything
i wish i had played more prot war in bfa
but i didn't play after 8.2 and 8.3
compact palm
Haha I was on the shaman train In bfa
unique shale
lol
compact palm
Warrior was my main since mop then shaman for bfa now I'm back and waiting for raid tier 3 to be insane
Tho I don't think we are nessisary bad right now just community perception
unique shale
true
dense flame
Just make prot dps absurd again. Goes for class fantasy
obtuse bane
What does spell reflect work on in castle? Thinking of swapping to prot war
unique shale
What does spell reflect work on in castle? Thinking of swapping to prot war
you are late to the party they nerfed it a lot in raid
sweet summit
Pins have a sheet
unique shale
Just make prot dps absurd again. Goes for class fantasy
give us our op clap back and we gucci
dense flame
I haven’t messed too much with prot, played more fury in keys. Are we really that low aoe compared to other tanks?
I know we are lower, but is it that large?
unique shale
I haven’t messed too much with prot, played more fury in keys. Are we really tha...
you have high aoe as kyrain and high single target as venthyr
unique shale
I know we are lower, but is it that large?
i don't wanna comment on this part 👀
dense flame
😔
compact palm
Veng can burst for insane numbers aoe guardian and Pala aswll
Warrior aoebbirst on prot isn't anything insane
sweet summit
Warrior has the 2nd lowest throughput, only ahead of bdk last time i checked
compact palm
Yep
unique shale
unique shale
sweet summit
compact palm
Tis true
unique shale
compact palm
Will big tank
dense flame
Big tank tiny weenie
unique shale
i don't think prot war is too tanky to even begin with this statement
compact palm
Can please some people
heavy sail
With reprisal Prot will be absurdly tanky.
It won’t be quite as dominant as BfA prot warrior, but it’ll be very strong.
A lot of people are ootl on that one.
mellow gorge
I'll probably still stick to "The Wall" in most cases
less moving around and more being a wall
smoky wave
Ptr flagged as release candidate so reprisal might well sneak through
rough needle
reprisal wont solve the problem prot faces in m+ which is bad dam and slightly worse cd lineups, seismic reverb might help a bit but then you completely lose any cd lineups
in raids prot is fine
sweet summit
Reprisal does help with damage
sweet summit
Its 20+20+30 rage for free, which means more rage to spend on revenge
heavy sail
But more than anything not named seismic
sweet summit
And it gives us an opportunity to spec AM and BSC
rough needle
yeah issue if you rlly need a seismic tier increase to match dh
sweet summit
For even more damage
heavy sail
I think necro warrior in the right comp might actually do more net DPS
sweet summit
Very possible
heavy sail
So yeah if nothing changes going into 9.0.5 and the next tier I could see warrior being a very meta pick.
For m+ and raid
mellow gorge
I doubt it would be that much
rough needle
for raid it will be off the wall broken if it goes through rn
rough needle
every serious raid will be double necro prot
compact palm
Fire and balance mast is pretty good
rough needle
m+ will have diversity and will be tuning dependent
compact palm
Just jump out to stand on them kek
mellow gorge
Unbreakable will is going to be the top raid leggo, right?
compact palm
Wall
mellow gorge
i'dve expected for unbreakable will, if unchanged, in 9.0.5 to be the best
compact palm
Unbreakable could see play in world first
mellow gorge
full party buff with 25% less dmg
compact palm
Oh
heavy sail
I imagine seismic will be the on-farm choice.
compact palm
Well nvm then
heavy sail
Wall will still be the go-to for prog
brave badge
Any new leggos for M+?
sweet summit
Reprisal
compact palm
Seis needs 3 tar no?
sweet summit
^
rough needle
think dh will still be too broken, have to see how brand nerf plays out tho
sweet summit
Just play signet on farm :)
compact palm
Facts
heavy sail
I think DH power level is a lot to do with community perception.
compact palm
Spinny prot
heavy sail
Honestly if you asked me about tank balance right now I’d say all tanks are varying degrees of bad
sweet summit
100%
rough needle
warrior can do some things and has a niche but rlly hard to argue that almost any m+ comp would be better with a prot warrior than a dh
compact palm
St prot does more on average or am I wrong
mellow gorge
such as dropping on the first pack lol
heavy sail
Significantly more
compact palm
Hmm
unique shale
But that means going venthyr
💪
sweet summit
Which obv is not ideal
heavy sail
I’m not even sure about that.
compact palm
Probably also means it's a form run
heavy sail
But maybe.
compact palm
Farm
sweet summit
Imean im not 100% sure, im just going off raid fights where i tanked with a vdh :^)
unique shale
venthyr for ever
heavy sail
I’m excited to go necro tbh
Would have been my RP choice
But old banner was so incredibly dogshit it was impossible to justify
mellow gorge
if i switch out to necro, then back to kyrian
heavy sail
Love Phial dearly, but fuck Kyrian.
mellow gorge
what do i have to redo exactly?
heavy sail
You have to do some world quests to “rebuild your reputation” and then wait a lockout
That’s pretty much it
sweet summit
No
heavy sail
Not as far as I’m aware
mellow gorge
ahh alright
midnight marsh
Hello pls tell me i didn't wake up to reprisal changes
mellow gorge
ya did
midnight marsh
D:
lavish oracle
Hm? Where?
smoky wave
No changes. Ptr flagged as a release candidate. Keep hoping.
midnight marsh
brave badge
Does anyone know if Reprisal charge and intervene stack? or its it one or the other
mellow gorge
hmm, theoretically with reprisal someone can get up to 25s of shieldblock while using the 2 charges
smoky wave
Up to a max 18 seconds though (3x buff duration)
Bolster will extend it beyond that though
lavish oracle
So you charge, intervene, and spend 1 stack of block
lavish oracle
Then wait 6 seconds to block again
smoky wave
But reprisal and shield block cap at 18second. Think Nom or someone tested it.
brave badge
Seems fun, jump in and out of mobs to refresh a shield block
mellow gorge
honestly i'll just stick to the wall, simple and +5 rage on slam
compact palm
Yea stormbolt is pretty good for a number of other reasons
heavy sail
If you optimize it properly I believe it’s literally 100%
mellow gorge
didn't they nerf shield block from BfA to block only melee attacks instead of physical dmg ?
or am i high
heavy sail
In practice that probably won’t be the case
lavish oracle
Someone had said 95%, not sure what haste that's based on
jagged pier
its was 95% without using intervene
lavish oracle
Oh, yeah, easily 100%, then
lavish oracle
And there's basically no situation in practice where you need 100% uptime
sweet summit
didn't they nerf shield block from BfA to block only melee attacks instead of ph...
They did in 8.0, but reverted it for rabged attacks to be blockable again in 8.1
mellow gorge
ah alright
lavish oracle
That shit was so bad, lol
heavy sail
100% uptime is useful in any and every situation, it’s more about the convenience of it.
Keeping 100% uptime will be a hassle
compact palm
That just remindse of ip first form
heavy sail
And you won’t need to do it perfectly every single time
lavish oracle
Nah, I mean like, 100% block uptime when you're not taking blockable damage is not necessary
heavy sail
Yeah.
lavish oracle
Like reprisal is still good because of rage economy
Most scenarios don't have you blocking hits every second of an encounter
mellow gorge
to be fair, where would reprisal shine the most? i reckon in DoS due to the hard hitting mobs
lavish oracle
Closest you get is chain pulling m+ packs
sweet summit
DoS is like the only dungeon id play the wall over reprisal
lavish oracle
Nah, I'm still gonna play reprisal
compact palm
Shield wall for the big packs is almost nessisary
lavish oracle
Extra rage for IP dump is pretty good against magic too
And you don't have wall for first and 2nd anyways, have to choose
sweet summit
Usually lust first so it does in a second
mellow gorge
yeah i'm stickin to wall
sweet summit
And wall 2nd
mellow gorge
just too good man
lavish oracle
The Wall is not even close to reprisal in most situations, the way I see it
unique shale
wall going to be good raid lego
lavish oracle
Like maybe if You're getting absolutely blasted by magic damage while not taking blockable hits once every minute
unique shale
for shield wall
sweet summit
Ofc wall is better in raids yeah
You dont need sb as much in raids
And damage intake is generally pretty low
heavy sail
Reprisal is stupidly good, but I really can’t get over how goofy it is lmao.
Like it won’t be fun to use at all imo
unique shale
it is easy
sweet summit
Gonna be fun for like a week lol
unique shale
charge and charge on ally for extra rage or sb
unique shale
Feels good to fly around fights
super man i guess
heavy sail
Exactly.
chilly brook
Or demon within or w/e that talent is
lavish oracle
I like momentum so to each their own, haha
chilly brook
Hate that shit
smoky sparrow
whats clumsy about it, if u just get one charge off on top of your default sb charges its 18 sec of shield block
most packs die by then
lavish oracle
Yeah, depends on what level key
compact palm
Not when my aff worlock is doing 1.8k
smoky sparrow
wait technically 24 seconds
chilly brook
Definitely dont have 18 second pulls in 16s
chilly brook
Nor 24 second pulls in 16s
heavy sail
It’s also relevant for boss encounters too
Given that forced movement isn’t a huge issue
modern brook
The issue with reprisal is that it's basically an admission from blizzard that they have no interest in addressing things that are an actual issue for our spec in the near term
heavy sail
All of which are of course way longer than 18s or w/e
lavish oracle
Yeah, bull, but we kinda already knew that
unique shale
but you gtg kite sometimes
unique shale
you don't face tank all of adds
jagged pier
we new that from beta with the first version of the spec
lavish oracle
They don't really do big reworks mid xpac anymore
modern brook
Smh we dont need a big rework
heavy sail
I’d be in favor of a big rework
lavish oracle
I mean, people are still showing up here not fully realizing that reprisal is straight up broken so it bears discussion pretty often
heavy sail
Most people don’t realize it
sweet summit
heavy sail
Have to remember this is a class discord full of sweaty nerds
Not reflective of the actual playerbase
graceful cobalt
hi guys with 9.05 wich Legendary we should use The Wall or Reprisal
sweet summit
Both
heavy sail
chilly brook
Smh we dont need a big rework
I'd be in favor of huge changes tbh most of which restoring the talent tree to what it was and fixing actual issues
heavy sail
100% griff
sweet summit
Swap between them depending on content