protection

[jagged pier]

u like TL

run that

[grand drum]

Imagine not running hymnal

[jagged pier]

Tru

but my 168 has finally been beatn

by the 210 phial

[vapid lynx]

thought so, thank you

[eternal glen]

Hello, i would like to ask how can you count your attack power in shadowlands?

[jagged pier]

should be on char stats no?

unless that deja that shows it for me

say i have 1700

[eternal glen]

Mine does not but i should use deja then, tybfor the info

[autumn pendant]

that bow and arrow

lol

[jagged pier]

its an addon it somthing to do with classic i tink they added it or something

there all my resistances as well

[jagged pier]

its just a slightly more indepth char stats if u want to see them DejaCharatcerstats for somthing

[nova prism]

with teh wall leg do i play with anger management or bolster?

[chilly brook]

Depends

[lusty torrent]

Bolster is soooo gud

[chilly brook]

M+ keys that actually do damage bolster

Ez keys

Am

Raid AM

Legendaries dont really influence your talent picks

[lusty torrent]

but Griff

thunderlords is "better" technically for m+ right

at least up to like +14/15s?

[chilly brook]

Jury is still out on that

I prefer the wall in all content

[vapid lynx]

do yall stil lrun booming voice if not running thunderlords?

[chilly brook]

Yes

[vapid lynx]

yeah figured as much that 40rage and bonus dmg is nice

[chilly brook]

DR is the only other "good pick" and it's barely a dps upgrade tbh in single target

Garbo in aoe

[lusty torrent]

so the prevailing thought on Shield Wall usage then is proactive, not reactive?

[chilly brook]

Yep

[lusty torrent]

since it has more value the higher health u are

[chilly brook]

Proactive/covering gaps

In raids I usually use it to cover specific mechanics I know the healers won't really be able to help me with like expunge on hungering

Since they're busy running out and cant heal

[lusty torrent]

for sure, i hadnt considered that

thats actually 5head thanks

[jagged pier]

i run the wall for all content i think its better the TL for m+

[eternal glen]

I asked pika the rank 1 prot and he is gonna make the revenge leg and play with best serverd cold

[jagged pier]

he already has

[eternal glen]

He is doing 17+

[jagged pier]

yer that low for him tho

so hes comfortable playing it there

[eternal glen]

For my +15 should work too

[jagged pier]

i mean u have to be very comfortable playing with it

as its no defensive value

and u lose the rage from demo shout

cause no BV

[eternal glen]

Warrior lacks dmg that what this leg provides

It feels the only way to push harder

[nimble drift]

okay was kicked from my 3/10 guild that was progging on inerva

but I got picked up by a 7/10 guild :D

things are looking up. gotta learn sludgefist lol

[wet compass]

meanwhile my morning guild died so I have to somehow find another guild in a terrible timeslot or suck it up and finally make my own

[outer solstice]

big oof ... our healers are completely overwhelmed by hungering destroyer....

keep dying even though I'm pulling 80% block and 2k HPS on indom/IP

I want more revenge 😦

[nimble drift]

hungering became easy

once people realized the stacks aren't THAT big of a deal

and they'd just like pile into the miasma to top them off before and after expunge/desolate

people would end up 15-25 stacks and be totally chilling

really need a disc priest that pumps for that fight tho

even when i was tanking I would soak miasma if it was needed

[dense flame]

at this point if you dont have a leggo would you wait for reprisal or just go seismic?

for m+

a prot leggo*

[tame garden]

Would definitely make one for in the meantime

Can keep it at rank 1 if you're worried about ash or gold

[dense flame]

would you go seismic if only doing 14/15's as tank?

or go wall. dunno what ppl are doing these days really. Saw some talk of the dmg output of seismic and bsc

[lavish oracle]

I don't know that I'd ever like...recommend a legendary with no defensive value but it does good damage

Reprisal will probably be the way to go if it releases in this state

[vapid lynx]

anima field emitter is good for us correct?

[outer solstice]

yes anime is quite good

[outer solstice]

I'd just make the wall, it's not gonna get nerfed and it's super solid, especially if you just start and maybe go slow anyway

[sick sentinel]

I could use some help trying to tank the last boss of plaguefall

any pointers on how to handle the small adds that are killing my team?

[lilac sleet]

heroic throw

and don't let them touch you

[sick sentinel]

i comepletely forgot we had that

err that its not on cd too

(too much time on fury)

[sick sentinel]

OH shit i got it! I defeated the final boss

ty ty for that pro tip

[median tulip]

As well as Heroic Throw, that's a place where the expanded radius of Crackling Thunder is very useful. The added Slow isn't bad there either.

[obtuse bane]

Is necro looking to be best next patch or still up for debate?

[fast timber]

^

[signal plover]

Still up for debate but prolly not bis

Imo it's just gonna make it so that covenant choice is actually personal preference for pwarrs, which is a pretty good place to be.

[wanton condor]

yeah, it's pretty solid now

[lavish oracle]

I think it's probably bis in like...really really high coordination situations in which you have team mates with strong 2 minute CDs that benefit a lot from mastery

so probably not bis for like 99% of players

[woven trellis]

so

ive tried

anger management

with shield wall legendayr in m+

it was a mistake, i just forgot to switch it off

and it felt goddamn good

to have avatar and shieldwall for every pack

basically

am i missing something or?

[chilly brook]

Feels much less good on fort weeks

Trust me

You'll miss the extra shield block time from bolster

[woven trellis]

u think im good with it for tyranical weeks tho?

[wild sandal]

which covenet to go for, i only play tank in both raids (hc mode atm only)and m+

[signal plover]

Kyrian safest all around pick

NF also fine in both.

Venth weaker in m+ but still ok

Necro ok once 9.0.5 hits

[wild sandal]

thanks

[red wave]

Has anyone tested out Necro on PTR? I'm Venthyr ATM but moving to prot main (Similar as Q above) and really find Venthyr extremely weak as prot.

So curious if I betray back to Kyrian for pot + root, or necro for new banner.

[cedar umbra]

i've got insignia and badge as my trinks. been trying to farm dos for so long for blood splatterred. do you think blood-splattered is necessary on 15s? i feel like insignia would be good enough with the on damage 1 min cd with spear of bastion.

[solemn magnet]

It's not necessary, but it is nice

[shrewd copper]

aloha

[solemn ferry]

Once the 9.0.5 hits, what would be the leggo crafting order? Raids I'd imagine to still be the wall but for m+? Seismic first?

[ionic fern]

Probably Reprisal into Seismic.

[chilly brook]

Just go Nightfae

NF pumps

[midnight marsh]

!wa

:(

any packs you guys would recommend ?

[sweet summit]

#ui-addons-manager pins has some

Afenars pack owns imo

[midnight marsh]

yeah i'm using afenar's right now

i'm not entirely convinced but i'll just tweak it myself i guess

[rare kraken]

Do you take Bolster right now?

I'd imagine you take it with the new Reprisal

[sweet summit]

Ye we go bolster for m+

Most raid fights you can get away with AM

[glacial skiff]

Yoooo

So reprisal

Please tell me that shits going live

[sweet summit]

With new reprisal you can probably play AM in keys too, but idk i havent played ptr

🔮 says perhaps

[vestal moat]

im def going am for keys with it

[glacial skiff]

I really hope they don’t nerf it.

[sweet summit]

We all do

[glacial skiff]

The only downside is you’d likely want to go double charge vs shockwave CDR/SB

[sweet summit]

Yea

[glacial skiff]

Even tho you get it with intervene, sometimes intervene is useful on its own without the lego

[sweet summit]

For sure

[midnight marsh]

Hey i'm just levelling a warrior through dungeons right now and i'm kinda confused about the mitigation thingy

since shield block will be down at some point, do you use ignore pain as active mitigation ? or is it still just a rage dump ?

[glacial skiff]

It’s a rage dump basically

[sweet summit]

IP is not a replacement for SB, its a compliment if youre taking loads of damage and need something extra

[midnight marsh]

Feels like it's not good enough to be active mitigation but then again sometimes i just have nothing ...

[chilly brook]

Sometimes you dont

[glacial skiff]

You have 3 options for rage usage outside of needing shield block which is your strongest mitigation tool besides major cool downs

[sweet summit]

If you have nothing you can use Shield Wall to fill dow time

You also have Last Stand with Bolster that gives you 15 seconds of shield block

[glacial skiff]

1. ignore pain (which stacks btw up to I think 100% HP?)
2. Renege spam (aoe dps)
3. Execute (single target dps)

[midnight marsh]

yeah that's nice, bolster feels very good

[sweet summit]

IP stacks to 200% of its tooltip value

[glacial skiff]

OH I knew it was something like that

[midnight marsh]

hakkar trinket would certainly help for downtime in mitigation

[glacial skiff]

Also IP>SB when taking magic damage

[sweet summit]

We are not supposed to have 100% uptime on mitigation (yet 👀 ) so dont worry about that

[midnight marsh]

makes sense

yall gonna hate me

[glacial skiff]

But if you’re still being melee’d shield block is worth using.

[midnight marsh]

playing prot warrior right now reminds me of bfa vengeance dh where at some point you just ... die

[glacial skiff]

You don’t die, you kite

Lol

[sweet summit]

^

[midnight marsh]

yeah obviously that was a joke :D

[chilly brook]

Your damage intake is really predictable as prot tbh

[glacial skiff]

When you run out of shield block charges or defensives that’s what you gotta do lol

That’s extremely biased

[chilly brook]

You should know when you need to get out of melee

[glacial skiff]

And untrue

[chilly brook]

What is?

[midnight marsh]

yeah i figured it was just a mere joke because of gaps in mitigation that vdh used to have in bfa ^^

[glacial skiff]

Tanking big keys as a prot warrior isn’t always predictable.

[chilly brook]

Predictable damage intake?

Its pretty predictable

[glacial skiff]

At least in my experience, but it all has to do with which mobs you have in a pull and if the damage is magic or not.

[jagged pier]

we have gap sin mitigation ?

[sweet summit]

Lol yea

[chilly brook]

I've never been in a situation where I was like "yo i just got slapped out of no where"

I know what's gonna chunk me

And what won't

And where I need to cover

[midnight marsh]

that comes with experience most likely

[chilly brook]

You can get punished hard but I know when I fucked up

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, I guess. But there are times when tanking for pugs where they miss an interrupt or stun and I’m scrambling to stay alive

[midnight marsh]

knowing your limits and shit

[chilly brook]

Sure but that's unpredictable damage because of a failure

Not because you randomly just got hit harder

[glacial skiff]

True, I guess you have a point then.

I also haven’t played any other tank yet this expac or any alt for that matter. First tier alts are a pain

[chilly brook]

Most of the healers I've ran with have said I've been a joy to heal

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[midnight marsh]

cute

i have no clue what i'm doing on warrior yet my healers hate me lul

[chilly brook]

But you can definitely get pp slapped rn if you do something st00pid

[midnight marsh]

prob true for any tank tbh

the amount of times i proc cheat death out of pure stupidity on my dh is too damn high

[chilly brook]

I kinda miss BFA DH ngl

I liked gluttony

[midnight marsh]

I miss the self heal

I really hated the rng mitigation

that was so painful

[chilly brook]

Oddly enough I didnt mind that as much

[midnight marsh]

i like being in control of my character that's cool

[sweet summit]

[tacit junco]

hello im swapping from dps to tanking and i been having trouble keeping aggro here lately is there anything i can do to improve threat ?

[chilly brook]

Poggers

[sweet summit]

Press revenge more often

[chilly brook]

Hit your buttons specifically revenge

[jagged pier]

its taken a long time to get that now i need to get unvering XD

[sweet summit]

If youre talking m+ ravager helps a lot with initial threat and rage on pull

[tacit junco]

ok so when not using mitigation skills spamming revenge helps alot? and yes m+

[wind surge]

⛈️ 👏

[midnight marsh]

you play ravager in m+?

[sweet summit]

Yes

[midnight marsh]

over whatever the thing with avatar and clap

[chilly brook]

Absolutely

[tacit junco]

i use rav every pull with spear but i also notice that mainly casters pull aggro from me

[midnight marsh]

okok

[chilly brook]

UF is garbage

[sweet summit]

UF is sp bad its sad

[midnight marsh]

oh is it ? ok

[sweet summit]

You dont need to spam revenge

[chilly brook]

BFA build is ded

[sweet summit]

Youre probably just using IP too much

[chilly brook]

Blizzard made sure they killed the design from BFA and left empty husks of the talents

[midnight marsh]

idk i didn't play warrior until 2 days ago....

[sweet summit]

Just replace an IP cast with two revenges here and there

[chilly brook]

I want pre nerf AM back

[sweet summit]

Same

[chilly brook]

Would be the least they could do tbh

Since Last Stand is so shit

Baseline last stand that is

[rare kraken]

wait UF is bad?

[jagged pier]

its a big dps cd

[chilly brook]

Yes

[sweet summit]

Its hilarious how bad last stand without bolster is

[rare kraken]

Well that's a fucking shame

[chilly brook]

UF is bad

[sweet summit]

And yeah UF is giga bad

[jagged pier]

i mean UF has been bad since beta

[rare kraken]

Good thing I Haven't been tanking with prot

I think my talent build hasn't changed since BFA lol

[chilly brook]

Feels like a classic "defensive"

[sweet summit]

Defo is outdated

[jagged pier]

i just use baseline LS as a dps CD at this point

[rare kraken]

What do you take instead of UF? Into the Fray?

[sweet summit]

In raids ye

[chilly brook]

Itf in raid

[jagged pier]

rav in m+ ITF in raids

[sweet summit]

Ravager in m+

[chilly brook]

Ravager in m+

[rare kraken]

right

[chilly brook]

At least ravager is poggers

[rare kraken]

and what do you take on the booming voice row? I hope that hasn't changed

[sweet summit]

BV still

[chilly brook]

BV

[midnight marsh]

Ravager in m+

in case noone told you

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

AM in raid

Bolster in m+

Devastator always

[solar crown]

Anyone tested banner in PTR? Does 'brandish' mean you now carry it on your back for 15s?

[chilly brook]

Storm bolt always

Yes @solar crown

[rare kraken]

yes @\

[chilly brook]

You carry it

[rare kraken]

goddamn it

[solar crown]

Good change (y) Even generates 4 rage per sec

[tacit junco]

hmm ok yea idk most of the time i feel i have to use IP because healers dont seem to pay attention

[glacial skiff]

I’m curious if booming will be replaced if reprisal becomes the best leggo

[midnight marsh]

doubt IP would save you anyway if healer isn't paying attention

[glacial skiff]

I could see booming/bolster being replaced

[chilly brook]

They could

Depends

[sweet summit]

Might shift to bsc/am

[midnight marsh]

bolster for am ?

yeah

[sweet summit]

But bv would still be big value

[glacial skiff]

Yeah BSC could be great

It sims well and if we aren’t starved for rage it could be great

[sweet summit]

Would help a lot with our lack of damage

Exactly

[tacit junco]

so when 9.0.5 comes out is necrolord gonna be the best ? because mastery?

[glacial skiff]

45s demo shout would line up well for big pulls too tho

[sweet summit]

No

[chilly brook]

Mastery us pretty garbage for us

Tbh

[sweet summit]

Its going to be better than the current banner

[sand condor]

Honestly i just want signet to work with our ravager

[sweet summit]

But night fae/kyrian are still the go to covenants

[glacial skiff]

I honestly mostly use demo shout currently as a dps boost vs cd on pulls.

[jagged pier]

thats how it should be used

[chilly brook]

Demo should be used on CD

[sweet summit]

So do i, Vic

[glacial skiff]

Kinda sad because with booming it’s better as a dps cd vs a defensive one

[chilly brook]

Well ye

You use it on CD

Cuz it's free dam, free rage and free DR

On a low cd

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, I know I’m just saying if BSC gains value it’ll go back to being a defensive

[sand condor]

Damn blizzard doesn’t want us having fun 😦

[tacit junco]

isnt the legendary buff gonna make it to where shield wall is up most the time?

[solar crown]

I would guess it could give big value in raids, as you buff classes that get big dps out of mastery

[sweet summit]

@tacit junco which lego?

Pmuch what leffa said

[tacit junco]

i cant remember the name but its when you charge generates more rage and get shield wall

[chilly brook]

Reprisal

[sweet summit]

Oh that lego is still not great

[chilly brook]

It gives block not wall

[sweet summit]

Youd play reprisal in 7/8 dungeons

And the wall i raids/DoS

[chilly brook]

Reprisal will probably be nuts

Tbh

Unless it gets changed

Which is possible

[tacit junco]

hopefully not it seems like it be nice to give prot more mitgation

[chilly brook]

I mean imho our problem isn't really our mitigation

[jagged pier]

its our damage

[tacit junco]

yes ive noticed that im ilvl 203 and i average about 1.7-2.3k

[hexed rune]

I wish necrolord buff is worth it. Necro warrior is good class fantasy

[sweet summit]

Reprisal helps with damage too

[delicate thorn]

@hexed rune my warrior is undead so I went Necro from the start because of the transmog

[hexed rune]

I hope rather

[chilly brook]

Honestly the biggest thing that I would like from necro is the strength buff

From the conduit

[sweet summit]

You can defo go necro and do well

[ionic fern]

"If no allies are nearby you get triple the MAstery buff from banner".

[sweet summit]

[tacit junco]

oof could you imagine that on fury..

[hexed rune]

Yea, I was considering it, since want a change from kyrian, and I don't like the Fae

[chilly brook]

Dat a real thing?

[ionic fern]

No. 😦

[hexed rune]

Might do it since the highest content I do is +15 and heroic raids

[chilly brook]

Wouldn't be useful in most situations anyways

[sweet summit]

Do it

[hexed rune]

Ok

Buff bot time

[delicate thorn]

@hexed rune and you get to look badass: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/bloodscalp/ozric

[hexed rune]

Correct

[solar crown]

Man, Reprisal looks very good. Hoping it goes through to release

[sweet summit]

🤞

[mystic zodiac]

Whats an acceptable, lowest ilvl you can be to tank the first 2-4 bosses of mythic cn?

[sweet summit]

For pugs?

[mystic zodiac]

Guild

[mellow gorge]

I'd say roughly 205?

[sweet summit]

Something like that yah

[mystic zodiac]

Sounds good. Thank you. I just rerolled and catching up

[echo egret]

Tank buster hit from 1st boss in SoA was a problem last night... I obviously don't have enough CDs for the whole fight, I suppose I can't use any rage outside of ShieldBlocking it, but will that be enough ?

[jagged pier]

its blockable i pretty much just always have SB up for it and never had an issue

[sweet summit]

Block should be more than enough

[chilly brook]

^

[balmy coral]

Just so I understand because I generally tank on a paladin, do you typically only shield block in Mythic Plus for hard hitting abilities or do you try to keep as much up time with cycling in other CDs to fill the gap?

[echo egret]

Yeah I was far from perfect on that area, too busy trying to catch the bird for cleave and avoid the beam

[cinder nova]

Unlike paladin, your AM is actually impactful.

[mellow gorge]

keeping shieldblock up as much as possible when taking melee attacks is much better than just leaving it

[cinder nova]

So using it deliberately is key.

[mellow gorge]

for a hard hitting ability

[cinder nova]

And yeah, that usually involves pretty much any time you're actively tanking unless you know whatever is coming your way isn't blockable.

[mellow gorge]

De Other Side's last boss became a breeze when i realised that spell reflect actually works on soulcrusher

[chilly brook]

Even if you dont use SR it's a breeze

[mellow gorge]

eh, sometimes hits very hard for some reason

[chilly brook]

The dot is based on the damage done by the ability

Which is physical

[cinder nova]

Honestly the hardest part of DOS is the millhouse bleed and the shadowcore mob tbh

[chilly brook]

And you can block it

So if you just take an unblocked soul crush you're gonna get a big dot

[mellow gorge]

true true

[chilly brook]

Which is why it's a joke

[echo egret]

How many pugs ignore the priority of Shadowcire sadly

[dry spear]

council, mythic, last phase. kite the add duty: any pointers? i'm asking because it could be, that i am going to tank on this boss instead of doing dps. i am NF.

[chilly brook]

Because its pretty easy to make sure that doesnt baooen

[mellow gorge]

well luckily i roll a dwarf

[chilly brook]

That's why you sit on that mob and interrupt that ability

[mellow gorge]

that's kyrian,

so bleed is manageable

i've had more luck reflecting shadowcore than having it be interrupted

[echo egret]

It’s a frequent cast though

[mellow gorge]

you'd be amazed

[sweet summit]

Leaper

[random dock]

Hello, does the new Reprisal grant a charge of Shield Block or does it outright give us the Shield Block buff?

[sweet summit]

Free shield block buff

[random dock]

So if I Charge in and then cast Intervene on someone, I'll have 12 secs of Shield Block right off the bat

[sick sentinel]

How can I assess my skill level for tanking in comparison between m+ and mythic raiding?

Or would that be a bad assessment?

[sweet summit]

Yes, but that would not be the ideal play

[jagged pier]

they are both pretty different @sick sentinel so its not a fair comparison in my opinion anyway

like i would say im a very good raid tank, but compared to a lot of ppl out there i suck in m+

because i dont do it much

[random dock]

Oh yeah, just wanted to grasp the workings of it, thanks a lot!

[sick sentinel]

undertsood

[sand condor]

is this trinket still amazing?

[sweet summit]

Yes

Thats hot

Very strong dps wise in m+

And delete pawn

[sand condor]

oh yeah

i have it for the emme

so i can tell my raid an ilvl downgrade is an upgrade and screenshot pawn

[sweet summit]

[sand condor]

it's only slightly toxic ::p

[midnight marsh]

what do you think would be ideal play?

[sweet summit]

Youd charge and then use a regular shield block to have charge and shield block on cooldown, since they both have two charges (as youll likely be playing double time) you dont want to sit capped on charges

[midnight marsh]

ah yes makes sense thanks

[sick sentinel]

I had a shaman tell me I need to use my spam skill; I looked at him funny because I was confused at what he was talking about he mentioned something about bears using some skin thing, i know paladins use a heal, but he seemed to think warriors had one that we 'spam'. I wish I could show him the 30 keybinds i use for this spec lol.

[jagged pier]

you can spam revenge

[sick sentinel]

he thought we could spam ignore pain like you spam the heal on pally lol

[jagged pier]

i mean u cant spam wog on play u need holy power

like u need rage for IP

[sick sentinel]

while similar it's not exactly the same like if a boss is meeling me id rather use the shield block

oh that reminds me i have a;question about shield block say an enemy is casting a meele spell does shield block work against that too?

[sweet summit]

What do you mean by "a melee spell"

[lofty widget]

it depends moreso on the dmg type right?

i.e. physical dmg can be blocked, magic dmg cannot

[sweet summit]

The pins have a sheet with blockable/reflectable abilities

Worth checking that out of youre curious

[sick sentinel]

Like a boss casting a spell where it doesn't look like a frostbolt

[strong forum]

Rule of thumb is, any attack that looks like a melee swing is blockable

Same with "shoot" attacks

[steep gorge]

Is NF the best choice if I do m+ as prot and raid as fury?

[sick sentinel]

so like arrows and bullets too?

[strong forum]

I think so

[strong forum]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

that has me hype

[strong forum]

Any "shoot" attack is blockable, cuz it's basically just their auto attack and it was incredibly unbalanced in early bfa when they weren't blockable

[glacial skiff]

Probably, but tbh you lose out on playing arms as NF

[steep gorge]

then whats better?

[glacial skiff]

I’d argue venthyr is fine too, except the signature ability isn’t great for m+, besides sniping kills or burst dam on bosses.

[sweet summit]

All of them except for necrolord tbh

[glacial skiff]

^ basically

[strong forum]

If you wanna focus on raid as fury but not be a wheelchair in m+ probably NF

[glacial skiff]

You have a question to ask yourself, what are you most invested in. Will you be mythic raiding?

[steep gorge]

it's my 3rd alt, I might swap to it in 9.1 as main but for now ima just do some hc raids and m+ as prot

[glacial skiff]

Kyrian is good if you want to be able to play all 3 specs in all content, but it’ll be suboptimal

Ah, may as well go NF then unless you wanna pvp arena. Personally I think NF isn’t great for it unless you bait into it, but then you’re just a 1 trick lol

[steep gorge]

is venthyr the best for pvp?

[glacial skiff]

NF might actually be ok in BG’s tbh. I can see some meme potential there

Nah, most swear by kyrian BUT venthyr isn’t bad

[sweet summit]

I think venthyr is better in 3s and kyrian is better in 2s

@lyric summit confirm pls

[glacial skiff]

It just lacks the play making potential of spear is all

[sweet summit]

Might be the other way around

[jagged pier]

im pretty sure with gear condemn is just better no in both

like the amount of damage out put with expoliter is dumb

like if your healer is in anyway undergeared

your in trouble

[glacial skiff]

Gear doesn’t really make or break either ability tho lol

[jagged pier]

well ive seen a warrior kill a preist at 50% with one condemn the proest was like 200

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, with venthyr you’re a damage bot, with kyrian you bring burst/tether and I think you’re generally tankier

[jagged pier]

and he had 226 gear

literally 1 condemn

[glacial skiff]

Plus you can use the pot in arena right?

[sweet summit]

Ye

[jagged pier]

ye

[glacial skiff]

Yeah that’s broken

[jagged pier]

its not as broken as u think but its aight

[glacial skiff]

Or just really good. There’s a bunch of times I’ve been the target to have been able to be saved by that thing, tho I have shit rating because I’ve been playing with non pvp guildies or fandoms in lfg. 😳

Definitely gonna be saving for exploiter/reprisal come 9.05. Sucks I spent so much ash on unhinged. 😐

[jagged pier]

i mean i hit 1800 then just play with ppl in my guild who are alot better but have less gear

but i got to like 1750 with pugs

was not fun

[glacial skiff]

Lol nobody except like 2 people pvp in my guild

[sweet summit]

Ye same i had to pug 1.8k

[glacial skiff]

One refuses to play with me idk guess they’re worried I’ll tank their rating. Dude usually gets glad

But he also always plays the most busted ass class/spec

Based on knowing him for about a year. Warlock back in last bfa season and resto shaman now haha

[lyric summit]

Equals in both really

Can reach R1 with spear and condemn

[sweet summit]

Noice, ty

[crisp dragon]

How do I become stormforged boys, I wanna get a promotion

[sweet summit]

You subscribe to @strong forums onlyfans

[strong forum]

[pine sentinel]

Hello, Im considering rerolling from a pala tank to a mighty prot warrior after reading some comments regarding PTR 9.0.5 changes. Before commiting, however, Id like to research more so here I am. Can anyone provide some other sources specifically theorycrafting oriented about upcoming changes to prot warrior and tank meta in general? Thx! edit: I play M+ 90% of the time

[harsh garnet]

Yo any big prot warriors got an opinion on the new reprisal legendary buff and how that may affect stat prio and maybe make mastery way more valuable

[stray gazelle]

Anyone know a weak aura or add on that tracks party cds for m+

[sweet summit]

New reprisal will obv devalue haste a bit and mastery will increase in value, defensively. But the fact that we like all stats just like any other tank spec, ilvl will still be king

OmniCD works great for me @stray gazelle

[heavy sail]

I still think reprisal is getting nerfed

[harsh garnet]

@sweet summit genuinely mind blown by the rep change for m+

[sweet summit]

I do believe will still want haste>vers tho

[stray gazelle]

Ty

[sweet summit]

Yeah its a bit much, but im not complaining!

[heavy sail]

@pine sentinel not really a source I can think of that’s not on wowhead/icyveins and easily accessible.

There are very highly rated Prot Warriors in here theorycrafting and sharing information regularly, so maybe stick around or ask some specific questions.

[lavish hare]

Anyone could tell the difference in dmg Seismic does in M+?

[strong forum]

If you play like normal, around 7-8%

Current seismic that is

[lavish hare]

I ask cause i see my self spamming a lot of revenge on my rotations

[strong forum]

Yeah so you just take the dmg it does and add 40% to it

Usually revenge does like 15% of your overall dmg

[lavish hare]

And the wall not so much, I mean, dont think I need the reduced CD on it

[heavy sail]

Seismic is strong but I still don’t see a very good use case for it.

Unless you’re just out to pump and absolutely nothing else

It’ll be dope whenever double legendaries are a thing

[lavish hare]

Im in doubt to upgrade my feet with TL or craft seismic

[lavish hare]

I’ll dream of it

[heavy sail]

Assuming you have max rank wall, I’d just sit on soul ash for now

[lavish hare]

I have

[mental anchor]

Wait everyone isn’t just using leaper ooops

[heavy sail]

I have rank 1 leaper just for the effect lmao

It’s fun to use in RBGs

[mental anchor]

It’s too fun not to have

Yeah with dragon charge and 3 charges of leaper you can clear a map in a few seconds lol

[signal plover]

Early footage of me in the maw with leaper equipped
https://c.tenor.com/Zo4oC03qGUkAAAAM/cool-baby.gif

[mental anchor]

I mean if we had shorter defensive cds we could be the dhs

[unkempt fox]

Got both wall and TL at 235 and soul ash cap is coming in 2 weeks @heavy sail

Probably reprisal time

[wild hemlock]

come onnnnnnnnn 9.0.5

[river niche]

We all going necro or what?

[modern brook]

no

[river niche]

Lol

[outer spoke]

It think we will stay kyrian / nf 🙊

[mental anchor]

NF here

[wild hemlock]

im staying kyrian but i only do m+

i imagine people that focus on raiding are going necro

[tender carbon]

Hell yeah I am ALL IN

Emeni + banner + banner conduit

Laughs in 25% increased strength

[outer spoke]

I am nf too, feels better than kyrian, but thats my statement

[mental anchor]

Kyrian is nice too not going to lie

[tender carbon]

I’m gonna crafting so much god damn flesh

[mental anchor]

I wish I could freely swap between them they are both fun to play

[modern brook]

Necro is going from unusable to playable.

thats it

[tender carbon]

20% DR so nice for certain m+ bosses, last boss of halls ritual soak, channel fleshcraft during tentacle phase of last plaguefall boss, sanguine orb boss, shits nuts

And you could@always go marileth for channel fleshcraft while moving

[uneven mason]

Its an absorb + 20% DR (if it was 30% I'd be more excited, but they couldn't allow it to be REALLY good)

[tender carbon]

30 was pretty OP

[uneven mason]

Marileth is the play, due to his top ability (str on banner use)

not being able to move for fleshcraft also puts it in the "garbage" area

[tender carbon]

Not to mention you passively get the marileth buffs while@walking past corpses

[uneven mason]

not very useable, since if I wanted to stand still for 4 seconds I have a conduit with NF that gives me 15% DR as long as I stand there.

[tender carbon]

4 seconds, this man is living in the last

Past

[uneven mason]

Oh whats the cahnnel now?

[tender carbon]

The scaling per second is insane now

Of the shield

[uneven mason]

3s

that is pretty jazzy

I think that almost makes up for the lost 10% DR

[tender carbon]

3s for 40% shield instead of 4s for 20%

[uneven mason]

Oh I knew the 40%, I just didn't notice they reduced the channel time.

makes it abit better.

That str bump as well

[tender carbon]

I feel like banner is being slept on, get a DK buddy 

[uneven mason]

big armor

28% at 213 on the conduit.

[tender carbon]

Yeah

How much extra block and attack power is 400 mastery roughly

[strong forum]

12% AP

Ish

And like 20% crit block or smth like that

[tender carbon]

Idk, I’m all in 📈

And if reprisal stays as is, so much extra rage to freely spend

[uneven mason]

its 11.47% or something 😄

17% crit block

[tender carbon]

With resto Druid hot buffs, gonna feel smoooooth

[uneven mason]

Course, Pelagos and Niya both give basically that much mastery, more often.

So, its the mastery for others

the huge str gain from Emeni

[ionic fern]

Pretty sure 20% is correct.

[uneven mason]

• conduit is the real bonus

[tender carbon]

And it lines up with wild spirits

[uneven mason]

already mathed them

400/35=11.42
So,
11.42% AP
17.14% Crit block
5.71% raw block

is what it gives us.

if you take Emeni and the necrolord potency conduit at 200ilvl
you gain 27% Strength for 20 seconds. Which is, well a lot of armor.

and attack that is magnified by the 11.42% AP from the mastery

so, can chunk pretty hard with Seismic!

[tender carbon]

The group damage banner will bring is bonkers

[outer spoke]

If reprisal will stay like now, its the future for tanking in m+ i think 🙊

[river niche]

The biggest thing for necro is the buff it gives to closet allies too. Could be mandatory for raid possibly

[outer spoke]

Dont want to be a bannerbixxch 😂

[modern brook]

it still hits 2 people, your closest persons going to be your cotank 90% of the time

[strong forum]

Optimising that is gonna be a bitch for the dps players

I can tell you that much

[modern brook]

IDK imo this is a fatty example of ppl overhyping a change to something unuable

[tender carbon]

Not for m+, if you play with people in comms

Appropriately hyped

[river niche]

We have heroic leap intevene and charge. It wont take much to hop onto your desired dps guys

[strong forum]

Well, and then you gotta stay there afk

For the duration of banner

Kinda useless

So, that's not an option

[uneven mason]

Its a buff that sticks to them afaik

[strong forum]

No clue, I'd assume it updates constantly

[uneven mason]

so it just hits the 2 closest when it triggers

[strong forum]

That seems dumb as hell

[uneven mason]

it seemsway more functional

[strong forum]

It's more functional but dumb

[uneven mason]

if only the movement was raid wide.

like, I'm ok with the mastery being a targeted thing

but make the "Windrush totem" effect raid

[strong forum]

Rally under the banner || but 0.1sec is enough then you can be away from the banner cuz lmao ||

[plush tendon]

What is the build looking like when using Reprisal? Is Bolster not necessary now, do we go for extra charge 'charge'?

[strong forum]

AM + BSC

[plush tendon]

This is assuming it goes live as it is

[strong forum]

Double time, have to play test

But potentially double time aswell

Bolster will be massive overkill on Block uptime in any setting

[plush tendon]

Anger Management with Unstoppable or still going with the ravager?

[wild hemlock]

omg i didnt even think that we get to change our last talent with new riprosal

[strong forum]

Unstoppable is dead

[uneven mason]

I think still stormbolting

[plush tendon]

Yea, I dont mind Unstoppable being dead; its looking like we going to have so much rage to spend on revenge and not enough GCDs

[wild hemlock]

will best srved cold boost the free revenge from riprosal

[strong forum]

Eh it should equal out, with the loss of booming voice

[wild hemlock]

the talent only says from dodge or parry

[strong forum]

Wall / reprisal is roughly same rage gain if you charge 3-4x per minute

[plush tendon]

20% passive damage increase for Revenge

+50% if dodge or parry

[strong forum]

50% if you have the "revenge!" proc

[plush tendon]

but its weird in its wording

[strong forum]

Which reprisal grants you

[austere furnace]

Anywhere I can read about necrolord changes thoughts from prot warrior perspective? good/bad

[wild hemlock]

so best served cold does boost reprisal damage?

[strong forum]

Scroll up veraiz

Literally just talked about it

[austere furnace]

Just tabbed in

sorry

[wild hemlock]

does boost free damage**

[plush tendon]

yea, but it doesnt say 'revenge' in the BSC tooltip; it says when you dodge or parry and the revenge costs no rage (which is how you proc 'revenge!;)

[strong forum]

BSC is likely gonna be go-to talent in aoe/m+ yes

[wild hemlock]

thank you. i was scared for a minute

[plush tendon]

also, will reprisal overtake The Wall for raiding as well or will we have the dream of being able to choose legos for content

[strong forum]

Prolly wall for raiding

[wild hemlock]

i would imagine wall but im a noob

[strong forum]

Don't need the block uptime in raid

SW is more valuable in alot of situations

But will depend on boss ofc

Slg and dena reprisal will be great

[plush tendon]

well, the changes are exciting; have they released a date for 9.05?

[strong forum]

March

That's about all we know

[plush tendon]

I betting on a week after we hit 40 renown, but I digress

unlucky cant have these changes for this coming week in M+

[strong forum]

I gave up on caring about m+

[plush tendon]

I just want to hit 1650 (or whatever the phoenix boosting rate is) not because I want to boost right now, just want the option XD

[strong forum]

I got my boosting role months ago and I just can't

I just cba

[plush tendon]

Yea, I couldnt even be asked to play wow other then weeklies and raid this week

[median tulip]

I'm working on the assumption that the starting point for the build will be x112x31; i.e Double Time, BSC, Bounding Stride, Ravager and Anger Management

[strong forum]

Well devastator will still be 100% pick

So is indom

The only non 100% pick are bounding, BSC and doubletime

[median tulip]

I'm not 100% sold on Ravager TBH

[plush tendon]

I like Devastator now except for explosives (Devastate is so good for them)

[median tulip]

Personally I loathe Devastator, but there we go

[plush tendon]

yea, same

[strong forum]

Why wouldn't ravager be good

It's best dmg and rage gen in m+

[wanton condor]

for snap aggro you can probably afford to drop it due to BSC + revenge! procs if you want to run ItF

but UF is going to need a much higher level of Show of Force conduit for it to be good

[plush tendon]

I was thinking the extra haste from ITF might be enough to help SB uptime so you dont have to take double charge so you can run stormbolt and still reach that near 100% uptime

[wanton condor]

ItF doesn't seem that great in m+ though? The main place it's better than ravager is ST... but folks often spread on the boss there

[strong forum]

[grand drum]

They could make show of force stack and it would be good

[strong forum]

You already have close to 100% block uptime

Without need of itf

[wild hemlock]

i just cant wait to watch the vids of new lego and talents and shit

[plush tendon]

^

Im not smart enough to figure out the optimal build. Me meat head, me copy smart people

[strong forum]

Itf for the block uptime is redundant

[median tulip]

I'm not sure if the Rage generation is going to be necessary if Reprisal goes live as is, and with Reprisal encouraging movement the nature of Ravager might work against the spec. Also ITF is never not good.

[strong forum]

Reprisal is close to the same rage gen that wall offers

And youre losing the rage from booming voice

[wild hemlock]

well like the opening combos will be all over the place. hold avatar until a few secs in or rip avatar on first charge and just dump

[strong forum]

You never hold avatar

[plush tendon]

I usually Avatar during charge

[strong forum]

Unless the pack is literally about to die

[wanton condor]

got about 94% uptime with just normal charge, intervene, and SB

[median tulip]

Always Avatar; especially when you are running Anger Management

[wanton condor]

assuming 16% haste

[strong forum]

Das some low ass haste

[wanton condor]

itf is what, 10% haste? gets you to 97%

34% is where it's 100%

[strong forum]

90% block is plenty in an m+ setting

plenty

You don't need true 100%

[plush tendon]

So I have charge and intervene macroed together (so they are both the same button like BFA) are we going to set Intercept with a focus target now?

[strong forum]

I just mouseover

[wanton condor]

I just use a mouseover for intercept

[sweet summit]

gotta keep in mind natural downtime between pulls

[strong forum]

Yup

[wanton condor]

tbf this also assumes you get both charges back between pulls

if you're chain pulling I think there's a stronger argument for 2x charge

[plush tendon]

does the SB stack from reprisal?

[sweet summit]

stacks to a maximum of 18 seconds without bolster

[plush tendon]

If so, you could theoretically charge in, intervene out when its about to fall, then charge back

of course you lose a 'revenge' so....

[strong forum]

Ideally you wanna have the CD rolling on all 3 buttons

[sweet summit]

^

[strong forum]

For maximum uptime

So I guess intervene before pull, charge in

That's 12sec of block

Then SB

Then chain another 2-3 SBs in

Then you can charge again, but by that time the pull should be omega dead

[median tulip]

Caster mobs that you can charge to mid combat will become useful tanking mechanics, rather than annoyances

[wild hemlock]

i meant about holding it jsut for a few secs for damage windows with new legendary

not holding it for like 20 secs

[strong forum]

Too movement imo

Making fancy moves for intervene seems like a waste

Unless you have a melee dps

Then it's simple af

[uneven mason]

Intervene healer, interrupt first charge with HL, hit 2nd charge

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

Na that's too many charges

[plush tendon]

we going to be zooming all over the place now XD

[uneven mason]

we do that anyway

now there will be big benefit to it.

[strong forum]

If you have a melee dps nothing changes

At all

[uneven mason]

yeah

[lime urchin]

sooo we are crafting reprisal just in case, will there be changes to dust / costs etc?

[strong forum]

Craft it when it's live

Not now

[plush tendon]

It may be worth to buy the parts though

[lime urchin]

aye

[strong forum]

You can do that, ye

Only buy, no craft

[plush tendon]

this stock is going to the moon

unless you arent a piece of shit like me and actually leveled your professions this tier

[uneven mason]

TFW - we want to stem the number of bots active.
FYI - We created a legendary crafting system that hugely favors botters

No single person could farm that many materials

in a sane amount of time to get to rank 4s

[torpid cliff]

Blizz doesnt want to stem botters lmao. They turn them a huge profit.

[strong forum]

Tfw we want our baseline class buffed
Instead we get a bandaid leggo that gives us massive block uptime when we didn't have a single Lego that interacted with our main mitigation button at all

[uneven mason]

I mean, protections primary weakness is DPS

[modern brook]

Clap should clap smh

[strong forum]

Yes

Gimme dmg buffs

[uneven mason]

I guess this addresses that by flooding us with rage for revenge?

since we don't have to spend rage on block anymore

[strong forum]

Doesn't fix shit for raiding

Where we're still 20-30% behind

[uneven mason]

yeah ST is still 🤮

[modern brook]

Thats why i said days ago Condoom prot is going to be the secret op

[strong forum]

I mean

[uneven mason]

Might go back to Venthyr

[strong forum]

I don't see many condoomers doing more dmg than me yet

In raid

[uneven mason]

Aftershock is too much truck

[modern brook]

imagine if they didnt have to sink rage into block on the opener though

[uneven mason]

You still have a massive gap where condemn can't be used.

[strong forum]

How much dps does your aftershock do in m+

Out of curiosity

[uneven mason]

and they nerfed the condemn conduit into the dirt

[modern brook]

yeah and you can go to sleep during this time thats fine

wake up rested 60% later

[uneven mason]

I actually haven't checked in a bit, but its almost always #1 on my overall

[strong forum]

Need a number

[modern brook]

not a hard bar to clear tbh

[strong forum]

Cuz spear does 500-600 dps

[modern brook]

snot like our abilities actually deal damage

[uneven mason]

in M+ we can dish out some impressive damage

ST we fall way behind

Kind've warriors curse.

checking if my Spriest logged the last 15 we did

get you a number

[outer solstice]

checking muhg logs, gonna give you a number

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qnqwtb6HCNXVKkFD#fight=33&type=damage-done&source=2

slow pace

[strong forum]

That's so little

[outer solstice]

and keep in mind I'm bad at M+

[strong forum]

[outer solstice]

probably misused it a lot xD

[strong forum]

I figured it would do like 700-800 dps

[uneven mason]

such tiny pulls

[strong forum]

But like, every "top mists log" im checking

[amber herald]

does plka not have logs?

[strong forum]

Is less dmg than me

[outer solstice]

yeah as I said, I'm bad at M+

[amber herald]

oh ok

[uneven mason]

hitting single targets with AA woof.

[modern brook]

also keep in mind that warcraft logs are usualyl different from details logs cause of how they handle out of combat time

[outer solstice]

yeah Wclogs uses all the time

not just combat time

also keep in mind there are 2 parts of AA

the initial hit and the ground effect they are seperated in 2 lines

[uneven mason]

on packs AA seems to pull 600 - 900 DPS

[strong forum]

Ye im calcing the 2 together ownz

[uneven mason]

if you remove out of combat time AA trucks

[river niche]

The thing you can't see with AA numbers unless you do some math is the rage generated from it after it claps

[strong forum]

If im comparing the same metrics ikari, it shouldn't matter

[uneven mason]

eh.

[outer solstice]

you can

but yeah as I said

me bad at M+

lot of waste

[strong forum]

I'm being told that AA does more dmg than spear does even on 10 targets

[outer solstice]

bad use of demo/avatar

[strong forum]

That's my knowledge of it

[outer solstice]

to buff AA

it does, but I don't use it correctly

[uneven mason]

hmm the burst is capped, but the ground tick is not?

[strong forum]

Both is

[outer solstice]

both are capped

[modern brook]

its ancient, cant hit more than 5 or it gets tuckered out

[strong forum]

Spear is regular 5 softcap, but AA is full on capped to 5

[outer solstice]

and I hit about 3 targets average

[uneven mason]

yeah noticed that

[outer solstice]

probably without demo and avataqr

[strong forum]

The less targets you with AA the better it should be compared to spear

[uneven mason]

eh, AA increases in damage up to 5

so only hitting 3 means he lost a ot

[strong forum]

Does it

[outer solstice]

yeah if you compare it to a 1 hit spear

[uneven mason]

Yeah, it caps at 5, but htis each target for full damage up to 5

[outer solstice]

if you only hit 1 target with AA that target won't eat a bigger hit

[compact palm]

can someone explain to me how parsing % is calculated for prot in raids

[uneven mason]

so, hitting an avg of 3 means it wasn't anywehre close to its potentia

[outer solstice]

@compact palm just pure dmg

[uneven mason]

DPS

[strong forum]

Like every other parse, dps

[compact palm]

well thatss useless

[strong forum]

Yes

Kinda

A bit

[modern brook]

If AA did a bunch more damage than spear, then the only time spear should be beating it is on 6+ targets though

[outer solstice]

also only 3 ticks each of the ground effect

[uneven mason]

I'm thinking that Spear/AA are very close

[outer solstice]

because this was sanguine

[uneven mason]

they always have been

[compact palm]

i mean i have 80%+ parses but i felt like i wasnt doing the best but guilds gunna be like dayum this guy poppin

[outer solstice]

Spiked Burrs from Niya and the mastery gain for 30 seconds after AA are big

[modern brook]

Yah but the noob faries keep talking like AA means anything

[uneven mason]

I think overall spear probably does more, because of how it alings with Avatar

[strong forum]

According to what I've been told is, that AA beats spear up to 10 targets, even when only hitting 5

On dmg

[uneven mason]

feels off

real benefit of AA is the interrupt

[plush tendon]

yea, and mobs can just walk out of it

[uneven mason]

but the dmg is nice.

[outer solstice]

isn't spear softcapped at 5 anyway?

[modern brook]

Only reason NF > kyrian is because their soulbinds are head and shoulders better than everything else.

[plush tendon]

spear, they are stuck there

[uneven mason]

right, they can, but its still a 2nd cone interrupt. that repeats every 3s if you keep them there.

[strong forum]

Spear is softcapped, yes, but still hits everything.
But AA only ever hits 5

[outer solstice]

yeah bit spear hitting 6 deals the same overall as spear hitting 5 or not?

[strong forum]

No

It does more

[outer solstice]

k

[uneven mason]

its a square root dropoff like eyebeams iirc.

[plush tendon]

Wont matter soon, in 2-3 weeks yea boi becoming a Necrolord Chad 😎

[strong forum]

Virgin*

[compact palm]

im already necrolord

[uneven mason]

chads don't simp to Boomkins and Unholy DKs

[plush tendon]

Im more of less just sick of having 3/4 tanks I play be Kyrian

[modern brook]

90% of the reason to go Lord will be to get the flags in ToP because theres like 3 specs that can happily go lords rn

calling it now.

[plush tendon]

yea, not enough Necrolords in general

[compact palm]

kyrian pot just too good

[plush tendon]

got to represent

[plush tendon]

You are not wrong

[compact palm]

necro weeks its kinda insane

[modern brook]

its literally nothing new

dorfs been doin this for years

[strong forum]

Shouldn't necrolords be immune to necrotic

[outer solstice]

Soulshape is pretty strong too

[compact palm]

TRUEEE

[modern brook]

soulshape is probably the least useful after the shield buffs to necro go through

it just doesnt provide us with anything we dont already have

[outer solstice]

I love the blink

also healing

if we don't do anything

in like transitions

[compact palm]

healing not enough to matter

[outer solstice]

oh well .... unless your heals are shit

[plush tendon]

Yea, but then you are fairy

[strong forum]

Did plka leave this disc

[modern brook]

can you blame him :^(

[strong forum]

Or why can't I tag him

[modern brook]

@patent osprey IDK nom needs u and is a boomer

[strong forum]

NOW I CAN

THIS GAME SHIT

I mean App

[copper venture]

what’s a good covenant that’s decent for all specs? NF/kyrian?

[outer solstice]

[jagged pier]

[modern brook]

Kyrian or NF

[outer solstice]

NF for fury/prot

[compact palm]

kyrian for everything and all

[strong forum]

@patent osprey a man needs a dps number off AA in m+

[outer solstice]

Kyrian for Arms(PvP)/prot

[compact palm]

kyrian good pvp pve arms fury prot

[strong forum]

I can't find good people's logs that run AA

[modern brook]

Kyrian is playable on arms for pve, arguably bis for pvp; Fury really wants to be venthyr tbh, prot prefers kyrian or NF

[plush tendon]

I thought people are switching to Venythr for PVP

I wouldnt know, the arena is scary

[outer solstice]

maybe they all run fury?

[compact palm]

i can link u a normal xymox with AA

[modern brook]

Kyrian NF work fine for all of them. Venthyr is great for both dps specs, playable on prot

I believe this is in the pins btw

[outer solstice]

nah Kyrian + unhinged + bladestorm

= death

[modern brook]

Honestly it depends on comp

[strong forum]

Fury isn't accurate representation because of enrage + reck / avatar

[copper venture]

lame, everyone is kyrian/nf

[outer solstice]

I know ^^

[modern brook]

Melee cleaves want kyrian cause its cc is op af for it

[compact palm]

kyrian spear into dk chill streak is kinda nuts

i dont blame them

[plush tendon]

Yea, but DK will probably slappy hands then as well

seems like overkill

[compact palm]

save slappy for another go

[modern brook]

The scripts like grip healer, blinding sheet, wyrm, spear, bs cancel after Unhinges

[plush tendon]

wait, you can save CDs? But what about my overall damage?

[modern brook]

something close to that

[compact palm]

yeah

[modern brook]

there are non dk cleave comps.

Ret Arms is one of if not the best cleave comps rn afaik

[compact palm]

enhnc

[outer solstice]

@strong forum did you factor in Niya Soulbind crazyness in the whole calculation of yours?

[strong forum]

No I wanted specifically to see AA

[modern brook]

Niya vs Pelagos is a sort of wash; niya only wins cause of burrs

assuming by soulbind you meant the mastery one

and not just all of hers

[uneven mason]

I mean, Burz is legit damage.

[compact palm]

AA on raid bosses as prot does about the same as if u took putri

[strong forum]

It's 150 dps I know

Burrs that is

[woven trellis]

ive been told reprisal is enclined to get majorly buff but i have no source

any one has anything on this?

[strong forum]

Ptr

[compact palm]

its on wowhead

and forums

[woven trellis]

do someone has the link?

[compact palm]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/875072

Protection
Reprisal has been redesigned – Charge and Intervene grant you Shield Block, Revenge!, and generates 20 Rage.
Unbreakable Will now also grants an additional charge of Shield Wall.
Seismic Reverberation damage increased to 75% (was 40%).

idk if its changed on ptr since then or not

[sweet summit]

it has not

[compact palm]

ty

[woven trellis]

its

insane

legit insane

its like close to 100% sb uptime, UW buff helps with maigc damage, and the last one even boost dps

de fuqu

[compact palm]

sheild block -30
revenge - 20
and +20

saves a lot of rage too

[jagged pier]

it is 100% uptime with bolster and intevene usage

[woven trellis]

thats insane

[jagged pier]

mwahi got 95% or somthing without intervene

[woven trellis]

no way it stays until live

otherwise ppl will complain for years

that we get busted again

[outer solstice]

nah

[compact palm]

i personally hope they just buff the class insted of the legendary

[outer solstice]

it doesn't deal enough dmg

[woven trellis]

wat?

[outer solstice]

and only blocking is often not enough to survive

[sweet summit]

warrior is lacking in the damage department

[jagged pier]

fix the base class instead of giving us borrowed power again

[sweet summit]

but reprisal also helps with that

[jagged pier]

[woven trellis]

already rn im dealing more than 3k+ in dungeon with 215 gear, maybe it wont be top 1 buut no way it doesnt deal enough dmg

[outer solstice]

3k+ is what I do ST on bosses

[jagged pier]

same

[outer solstice]

and it's shit 😦 sadly

[woven trellis]

well i dont know, with the rage win we get from this we might have subtantially higher dps

[strong forum]

3k ain't cutting it chief

I'm doing 4k and that ain't cutting it either

I could be blasting 5-6k on others

[jagged pier]

Tru Nome Tru

[mental anchor]

Anyone that run necro what soulbind do y’all go?

[strong forum]

Emeni prolly

Rest seems shit

[mental anchor]

Marileth looks strong too

[compact palm]

Give thunder clap the same buff enhance got for lightning sheild

:^)

[mental anchor]

And honestly heirmir free 10 seconds after death looks strong

[strong forum]

Not rly

Just prolongs your death by 10 seconds

[woven trellis]

but that what they are doing right now? i dont get it, its class buff, not legendary buff isnt it?

[jagged pier]

when are you dying?

[compact palm]

Reprisal is a legendary?

[mental anchor]

Yeah it prolongs it but isn’t that good?

[strong forum]

They aren't buffing the class

[mental anchor]

In M+

[outer solstice]

yep no class buffs

[jagged pier]

you shoudlnt eb dying

[mental anchor]

Yeah you shouldn’t

[strong forum]

No, dadbod, if you're dying, you can't be ressed for another 10sec

Kinda shit if you ask me