I prefer the wall in both
#protection
sick sentinel
strong forum
Limit|| -ed braincapacity ||
steel mist
guys out of curiosity since we have black temple timewalking,which tanking trinket is good in the raid
astral crystal
we casual 2 night, After Work
on mal'ganis
currently working on SLG, so we're not super high up there
also RL said it as shits and gigs i would imagine, pretty sure he wants to play BDK
disgusting
sick sentinel
I see, I was just wondering as double prot sounds memey)
strong forum
Not rly
astral crystal
i think max mentioned it in one of his streams so people picked up on that thread and rolled with it
we obv have to see what next raid will be like
strong forum
Yeah, but that requires vdh to not be as strong as they are and havoc to be pretty good aswell
astral crystal
havoc is looking like it's gonna scale very well at least
strong forum
But it has potential to be a real thing
Double necro prot war
And buff the fuck out of your boomies/warlock/hunters
sick sentinel
haven't really looked at necro soulbinds but are they any good?
astral crystal
no they are all terrible
astral crystal
alright comparatively anyway
marileth would prob still be the go-to
since corpses get absorbed automatically in 9.0.5
strong forum
astral crystal
doesnt absorbing corpses lower CD on banner?
strong forum
Haven't read into it cuz it's not relevant yet
astral crystal
although come to think of it lower CD may not be better
strong forum
Wouldn't be useful anyway since you wanna pair it with others
astral crystal
yeah exactly
strong forum
So the lowered CD is useless
raw lintel
Trying to choose a covenant for my proection warrior. Main purpose will be to prepare come 9.1. Any suggestions in here?
sweet summit
nf/kyrian
astral crystal
we dont know yet, for now you should probably stick to kyrian or nf
9.0.5 brings some balance changes to necrolord, and 9.1 will probably also see some balancing
raw lintel
we dont know yet, for now you should probably stick to kyrian or nf
Aight, thank you!
strong forum
🔮 says 
uneven mason
I see, I was just wondering as double prot sounds memey)
Rally is a powerful raid CD, I've found myself wishing I had a 2nd warrior in raid because RC just isn't available enough.
lavish raptor
What's a good haste % for warriors? I have 220 PvP gear with haste Versa, was wondering if I should swap in certains pieces that are heavy haste but missing versa
lofty widget
take highest ilvl instead of looking at stats
signal plover
Rally with the 226 conduit :oh baby:
lavish raptor
@lofty widget the ilvl would be the same, just different secondary stats
lofty widget
then whatever gives you the highest haste imo
lavish raptor
As info if I move pieces around, I'd be dropping versatility by a couple percent and haste would jump by the same. Currently they are balanced at 20/20
lavish raptor
Oh damn. I didn't realize I could drop versa that much. Do you raid mythic or push high keys with that?
uneven mason
the % to have that happen isn't logically reachable.
lofty widget
i dont raid mythic but i do push high keys with it
uneven mason
Ilvl is always worth more than flat 2ndaries.
Vers stacking is a horrible meme left over from 8.3 (where prot warriors didn't even need it) to run obtusely insane +keys
its not an actual strat
lavish raptor
I see, noted. I was unaware of that. Figured it was similar to how we optimize in pvp
strong forum
Rally with the 226 conduit :oh baby:
I found myself being too selfish and using unnerving focus instead of rally on pepegos
Need that rage gen for execute spam
uneven mason
no because PVP dmg is different than PVE
signal plover
@strong forum 
Although I do the same outside of raid prog kek
Inspiring on m sludge makes me feel like I'm taking the lads under the protection of my wide dwarf hips
uneven mason
TFW Rally with conduit is like last stand for your entire raid, and they still consider LS a major enough CD to leave it with a 3min timer.
lavish raptor
Are there any notable content creators for Prot wars? I'm new to the spec and have been searching for in-depth content that would go over CD staggers, stat summing(to a degree, I know we can sim tanks), and just overall valuable information
uneven mason
Nomeratur
Sense, erm...Plka
IDK if they go over CD staggers
Prot is a be proactive spec, that much of it comes with experience of knowing when you're going to need to take a beating without support.
lavish raptor
I will search up those names, thank you!
tidal coral
What is the thoughts on necrolords come patch 9.0.5
uneven mason
its better than it is now
tidal coral
Worth the switch from Kyrian?
uneven mason
Thats a personal question
tidal coral
I am mostly tanking M+
uneven mason
Relative you'll provide more utility for people in your party
but lose a chunk of damage yourself
uneven mason
IDK I Heard he's some guy who posts ticktocks of how to swear
signal plover
Boomerkaze putting "c"s into tiktoks again
strong forum
Who? Never heard of him.
Yeah me neither
uneven mason
I had literally never heard of that app until it showed up in the news
signal plover
You mean when you read about it in your Sunday paper?
strong forum
Tiktok is vine but trash
strong forum
1916 damn
signal plover
On the eve of Verdun
uneven mason
1916 damn
Yes, you see back in my day, we moved out of our parents homes as soon as we could get a job.
strong forum
Yup 👴
uneven mason
Kiddo is more common
sweet summit
is a pog champ a pog kid? 
uneven mason
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Wht I mean is, people are either decidedly older looking than I am, or decidedly younger looking
everyone who looks younger is definetly a kid
sterile moss
Your character in WoW is a kid I assume?
uneven mason
I play a craggy old orc
strong forum
Pog sport
uneven mason
Pog Tiger
signal plover
Wht I mean is, people are either decidedly older looking than I am, or decidedly...
This
oblique trail
figures that the prot warrior channel is just off-topic garbage
nobody plays this anymore i guess
lofty widget
lol
uneven mason
Nope, we're just all old craggy vets
smoky wave
This is remarkably on topic for prot
uneven mason
What else will we talk about?
smoky wave
Nope, we're just all old craggy vets
☝️ this
uneven mason
Did you have an inquiry we might be able to answer for you tiger?
smoky wave
It's off topic until someone asks a question that's in the pins, then Nom-bot 
and it continues.
uneven mason
pfft
smoky wave
Occasionally there are sensible questions, and there's the mandatory vault choices on tues/we'd, but that pretty much sums it up
uneven mason
somespecific "how do I deal withX" or "Why am I getting busted up so bad" or "IS PROT STILL TRASH???"
signal plover
figures that the prot warrior channel is just off-topic garbage
Did ya have a question?
sweet summit
signal plover
O lawd muh retinas
sweet summit
dont use those big words you scare me
lavish oracle
Pretty sure that dude stops by to say prot is bad every few days
It's a weird hobby
outer bronze
any diff between feet/hands stat allocation? (for crafting thunderlord)
sweet summit
any diff between feet/hands stat allocation? (for crafting thunderlord)
feet got a bit more stats
outer bronze
nice thanks
lavish oracle
Feet give like 12 more armor
sweet summit
and like 1 more strength 📈
uneven mason
and like 1 more strength 📈
so 13 more armor
uneven mason
We on topic now
ARE THEY EVERY GOING TO BUFF PROT I FEEL SO SQUISHY *Links log with 12% blocked hits and 100 IP casts
sweet summit
man i really want a :peepoDetective:
strong forum
Same
sweet summit
@ionic fern 🥺
ionic fern
What's that?
oblique trail
If I had a question I wouldn’t come here. Was hoping to find some interesting discussion and instead found territorial nerds. Have fun guys.
ionic fern
Bye
strong forum
Unluck
ionic fern
Who was that even?
lavish oracle
It's like he's never been on the internet or something
sweet summit
uneven mason
Its like, they expect us to be talking about Legendaries or something when there is no changes since a week ago
strong forum
I think he expected blizzard hired officials only talking full on serious stuff
astral crystal
wonder what the depth of "interesting discussion" he imagined he'd find was
sweet summit
THANK YOU
strong forum
lavish oracle
I still don't quite understand what he was upset about
sweet summit
strong forum
Sophisticated in depth discussion that already happened 1 week ago
topaz cove
he came in looking for an argument lol
dawn geode
Lmaooo
topaz cove
[3:54 PM] clandestinemonkey: figures that the prot warrior channel is just off-topic garbage
[3:55 PM] clandestinemonkey: nobody plays this anymore i guess
nice way to start an interesting discussion
potent anvil
uneven mason
Your found a missing Deswind
mellow patio
The day prot chat is on topic is the day I lay down my shield
modern brook
how goes it my territorial nerds
amber herald
get lost
sweet summit
what does that even mean
amber herald
what does that even mean
go away
sweet summit
modern brook
isnt draka thralls mom
signal plover
Ya so u know the birthing hips are things of legend
sweet summit
what
modern brook
SMH i thought this was thigh wars paw
uneven mason
Ya so u know the birthing hips are things of legend
They spawned Green Jesus
Literally hips of god
signal plover
The hip bone is connected to da, thigh bone
modern brook
would you believe i didnt even have to make this? its just there in google images
lavish oracle
You know what, I'm with the other guy, I'm out
signal plover
Rofl
lavish oracle
😛
sweet summit
bye bye
vocal bison
They got me hypnotized
modern brook
bro if this isnt interesting conversation idk what is
topaz cove
Guys, serious on topic here. What exactly does a shield do?
modern brook
If yall wanna come to my 30 minute ted talk on "how to press shield block"
I'll be hosting it on zoom at 9:00pm server
sweet summit
link
signal plover
Guys, serious on topic here. What exactly does a shield do?
Looks great in mogs
modern brook
Looks great in mogs
theres exactly 1 good shield mog that isnt an artifact weapon
hard disagree
signal plover
Ok but there's basically 8 variants of those two artifact mogs that look terrific with just about any set
modern brook
very true
tacit smelt
Hot take: They should bring back the legion leggo that gave an extra charge of block and spell reflect and make it a talent
signal plover
I can't remember the last time I didn't use a variant of hidden or mage tower shield
modern brook
Probably too good as a talent tbh
signal plover
Maybe the pvp shield artifact with the might set
uneven mason
Hot take: They should bring back the legion leggo that gave an extra charge of b...
Repirsal gives SB
signal plover
I just want most ST damaj
sterile moss
Guys, serious on topic here. What exactly does a shield do?
increases your block value so you block a greater portion of incoming damage when you block
tacit smelt
Ok it does means we get more
modern brook
The only legion leggo i really want back is the boots of swiftness one
uneven mason
you can treat charge and intervene charges as SB charges in most situations yes.
modern brook
you can treat charge and intervene charges as SB charges in most situations yes.
Did the repriasl rework also keep the revenge damage boost?
for now at least, i mean
uneven mason
No but it procs Revenge! (which works with BSC for the extra 30%)
modern brook
isnt BSC 20?
tacit smelt
Wait @modern brook u want aggy striders??? Why
modern brook
to move faster duh
uneven mason
its 20% all the time, 50% when used with Revenge!
tacit smelt
Gross
modern brook
Ahhh sick
thats dispaointing that we're still not allowed a way to do cool kid damage re reprisal
tacit smelt
I like to slowly walk to show off those juicy legs muscles u built up from clapping in bfa
haughty falcon
Hello everybody, really protection Warrior is so bad in 13-15 keys? Or it can be playable? (sry for my eng)
tacit smelt
Nothing is wrong with protection
modern brook
Hello everybody, really protection Warrior is so bad in 13-15 keys? Or it can be...
Prot warrior 13-15 is very easy
lavish oracle
I mean, I'm not having any issues with prot in 15-16s
sterile moss
I'm a noob and I time 15s with it easily
modern brook
I'm at 205 and can tank 13s pretty comfortably.
crisp dragon
I think defensively warriors are fine, but just not enough damage
sterile moss
specifically we're low on st
crisp dragon
If they just buffed damage a bit, I think we would be just fine
modern brook
fuck a bit
haughty falcon
I just can't choose which tank to start playing, the dk get a lot of damage,the monk and druid don't like the gameplay
Dh - no pls
valid kraken
they should just buff thunderclap. it feels awful to press that button
sweet summit
thistbh
modern brook
I just can't choose which tank to start playing, the dk get a lot of damage,the ...
Sounds like warrior or nothing then lol
sterile moss
literally last mists it did 4.5% of my overall
modern brook
they should just buff thunderclap. it feels awful to press that button
I forget it does damage sometimes
haughty falcon
Sounds like warrior or nothing then lol
Or paladin)
modern brook
Its literally just "5 rage the button" to me
valid kraken
lol exactly
sterile moss
I press it when there's nothing else
uneven mason
they should just buff thunderclap. it feels awful to press that button
They should return it to its 8.0 value
modern brook
press it there too
uneven mason
since we're not running UF and don't have all the Azerite interactions boosting it
sterile moss
reset ss with revenge 
crisp dragon
Yeah, I fucking spam revenge lmao
modern brook
to the detriment of my group, same 😦
sometimes i forget im supposed to use the shield
and im at like 15% with 30 rage and im like
Yeah nows the time
REVENGE
tacit smelt
Lol
valid kraken
buffing TC would also help with aoe threat at the beginning of a pull so you dont have to decide between revenge and shield block when you charge in
tacit smelt
I personally think they should remove target cap on us
modern brook
charge+SB->SS-> revenge->tclap should work from 0 (theres a shout in there too my b)
sterile moss
buffing TC would also help with aoe threat at the beginning of a pull so you don...
yeah that's where aftershock/spear, ravager, bolster come in
valid kraken
yeah i agree. but sux that we need to use cds just to get threat
sterile moss
yup. or play with a hunter or rogue like I do lul
valid kraken
haha
uneven mason
buffing TC would also help with aoe threat at the beginning of a pull so you don...
But reprisal will address that in every way possible
you GET SB from charge and have a free revenge
so you can even press IP
if you want
uneven mason
(I'm kidding, you'll press Revenge twice)
modern brook
thank you
uneven mason
Thinking about it, The only time I Press IP
is if my healer dies
I'm horrible ¯_(ツ)_/¯
valid kraken
lol
sterile moss
mObS cAnT kIlL yOu If ThEyRe DeAd
uneven mason
mObS cAnT kIlL yOu If ThEyRe DeAd
Don't steal my line, I've got that copyrighted
tacit smelt
When something gets in execute range I get ballsy at time " it's either this dies or I do" 
sterile moss
Ah but you dont do it with alternating caps
hushed cobalt
is reworked reprisal 10+20 rage on charge, or just 20 rage?
chilly brook
uneven mason
Ah but you dont do it with alternating caps
Ok, Vanilla Ice
uneven mason
PRot points if you intervene your healer just before you charge the pack so you have 12seconds of SB and 60 rage
hushed cobalt
awww yissss
modern brook
its gunna be weird not having storm bolt anymore :/
lavish oracle
You really don't have to take double time
uneven mason
I'll prob still run SB
sweet summit
u r pog
crisp dragon
Intervene on urself??
lavish oracle
I meant over the course of a minute
sweet summit
oh ok
lavish oracle
Oh, I misunderstood what bull was saying
uneven mason
if you have 1 melee DPS
you can always get that 2nd intervene going
also, interrupt your first charge with HL
and hit the 2nd one
on engage
18seconds SB 100 rage
modern brook
and revenge!
crisp dragon
whats reprisal?
lavish oracle
Wait, are we rage capped on pull with reprisal?
lavish oracle
60 from reprisal, 20 from avatar, 20 from SS
uneven mason
nope
modern brook
Wait, are we rage capped on pull with reprisal?
idt you'd charge twice on the pull
lavish oracle
Yeah, you'd be way over capped from 2 charges
crisp dragon
Honestly, first 20 seconds of a fight, I generate 5000 rage, rest of the fight, I have to struggle xD
uneven mason
why struggle?
you'll have basically 30 seconds of SB
and can pump infinite revenges
sterile moss
reprisal allowing us to leave bolster and take AM I'm thinking will slightly offset the pain of losing The Wall
maybe 2:45 cd on sheild wall with conduit or sth
on average
modern brook
reprisal allowing us to leave bolster and take AM I'm thinking will slightly off...
low key
reprisal + Venthyr+bolster
Will probably be real
just 0 punishment condem windows
hushed cobalt
i read that (poorly) that reprisal gave a charge of SB
sterile moss
I wonder on raids if you'll really want reprisal though
modern brook
You're not competing your resources anymore (on the opener)
uneven mason
i read that (poorly) that reprisal gave a charge of SB
Oh, I Mean, effectively it gives you 3 more like 7 mor a minute
lavish oracle
I wonder on raids if you'll really want reprisal though
On any fight where more frequent casts of Wall aren't required, I think you use it
modern brook
i mean AM still probably good there but having bolster for the 2nd condemn window is alos probably a big deal
lavish oracle
So something like inerva, where you want 1 minute shield walls you might play the Wall
hushed cobalt
its not a charge, you actually get 6s of SB from charging..?
unless its early and i dumb no coffeespresso
sterile moss
On any fight where more frequent casts of Wall aren't required, I think you use ...
Guess that makes sense. You'll have to find someone other than the other tank to intervene to though lol
ionic fern
You Charge = you get 6s of SB
lavish oracle
Guess that makes sense. You'll have to find someone other than the other tank to...
If they're not actively tanking the boss it's fine
crisp dragon
I love intervening my co tank and dying in the process cause I get the debuff he does :monkas:
hushed cobalt
lavish oracle
also, most raids have an hpal whos usually hanging around in melee near the tanks anyways
wanton condor
just intervene the dps
strange lintel
as fury ill intervene the tank and run the fuck off so they can get the 12% dmg reduction if they are dying lol
modern brook
nah let them die
sterile moss
as fury ill intervene the tank and run the fuck off so they can get the 12% dmg ...
respect
modern brook
IF your tank is ever dying its his fault
strange lintel
dps loss but if it gives the healer a second longer to heal the man up ill take it
crisp dragon
Can anyone tell me why my co tank is receiving so much more attention from the healers than me?
uneven mason
i mean AM still probably good there but having bolster for the 2nd condemn windo...
IF you're looking to pump, AM would be better for moar avatar
modern brook
yeh
uneven mason
Can anyone tell me why my co tank is receiving so much more attention from the h...
Log?
strange lintel
Can anyone tell me why my co tank is receiving so much more attention from the h...
they either taking more deadly dmg or they just dont like you
valid kraken
anyone considering making the switch to necro after the patch
modern brook
but specifically w/ venthyr it lets u just not need to spend rage on block during condemn windows
uneven mason
anyone considering making the switch to necro after the patch
big consider, Draka is hot
modern brook
Honestly its probably true still even without bolster
strange lintel
big consider, Draka is hot
lets be honest if someone like draka fell for ya. you wouldnt think about it
youd dive right into that green p- specs
chilly brook
Sylvanas>draka
uneven mason
Spoiled goods
Tru, but hey if folks simp on sylvanas its about time that our thicc lovin boys got some goods
uneven mason
Can anyone tell me why my co tank is receiving so much more attention from the h...
Which tank is receiving more love?
Like, which tank are you
modern brook
my guy really called draka spoiled goods then said Sylvanas >draka
chilly brook
my guy really called draka spoiled goods then said Sylvanas >draka
Both are true for that statement
modern brook
thats like saying "I wont drink milk 2 months old" while downing a 1 month old carton
modern brook
FAIR
signal plover
Sylvanas also has like some rly srs daddy issues
strange lintel
sylvanas is a dried husk > draka is fresh into a new living body
chilly brook
sylvanas is a dried husk > draka is fresh into a new living body
Pretty sure draka is decaying
Just like if you look as vasjh
modern brook
Did they ever explain what happens to the stuff we kill in the shadow lands?
chilly brook
Slowly losing flesh
chilly brook
Did they ever explain what happens to the stuff we kill in the shadow lands?
Not that I remember
strange lintel
puts on glasses look maldraxus choose to use a new body which is technically living since they are the ones that canonically speaking can go out into the living world for shenanigans
apparently they just turn into pure anima
chilly brook
Will you though?
strange lintel
probly not heh
chilly brook
modern brook
😡 U N D E S E R V E D C O N F I D E N C E 😡
strange lintel
bruh im like number 7 fury warrior in my server which equates to like global grayparse
signal plover
Dat council tho
modern brook
oof
signal plover
Huehuehue
signal plover
Errytime kek
strange lintel
https://gyazo.com/30d88a186e72c8832e5362cd15dc86a9 i dont mythic raid so i cant link that 😄
devout pike
average 45 tho
strange lintel
beating a prot main
jolly thistle
thats dungeons tho
chilly brook
signal plover
This has been the saddest epeen measuring contest of all time
strange lintel
whos measuring ..
signal plover
Just memes bb
cinder storm
Why in SoA they use the spears on the sky for the last boss?
signal plover
No external emojis
cinder storm
the achiev ones
strange lintel
glory of the dungeon achievement
cinder storm
no like, Nerf's team using them on high keys
I didnt have my headsets on and couldnt listen
strange lintel
oh huh..
sterile moss
the healer going and getting those spears provides a small dps bonus i think
strange lintel
do they do alot of dmg ?
sterile moss
if that's what you're talking about
crisp dragon
shut summit
Yea it's for the dmg
strange lintel
https://gyazo.com/b5cb4d0d1140df5e0fef876519d0acdd
pog
crisp dragon
Probably not as pog as @shut summit he always seems a bit higher than me on Mythicl ogs
Yeah holy shit he's rank 6 for Mythic, I aint even 10/10, cant compete
cinder storm
@shut summit thanks!
chilly brook
Sense big boi
sweet summit
@crisp dragon dam ur better than me :(
shut summit
sweet summit
im rank 29 😔
astral crystal
you should see my m slugfist
and have a good laugh
had to pool all my rage because healers had to use CDs on dps standing in/getting hit by rubble
ionic fern
astral crystal
one of those groups
jagged pier
outer solstice
im rank 29 😔
16
astral crystal
I didn't get to play on xymox
why?
astral crystal
nothin wrong with traps 😎
chilly brook
Nah I'm good about reflecting traps
strong forum
😎
outer solstice
reflecting double traps 😛
strong forum
"reflecting"
chilly brook
Reflecting and bladestorming g
chilly brook
sweet summit
lol
chilly brook
Not a bad idea tbh
strong forum
Better being able to just lmao yourself out of a trap
Instead of risking losing 10+ seconds or risking a death
crisp dragon
@strong forum https://gyazo.com/8065ceb92194eb143e83ab2de26f628d
strong forum
Huge
crisp dragon
You bested me here though, somehow being 5/10 and almost my rank
chilly brook
Big
crisp dragon
Not sure if I can even log higher honestly, not sure what that would require
I have absolute BIS trinkets, maybe too little haste, or could get better conduits, 1 or 2 more ilvls
strong forum
I got you beat by 300 dps on shriek without having phial so idk, press execute harder
eager cedar
Is Prot Warrior worth tanking with. There is so much negativity and people saying swith to Pali, I don't know what to do 😦
strong forum
I'll tell you this thorn
When my cotank swaps to pally he dies on every boss twice
Per kill
crisp dragon
Yeah, pally doesnt seem that good, very good damage, I could only dream of achieving my co tanks damage
dawn geode
prot pally is a trap
crisp dragon
His 40 logs are my 100 logs
strong forum
Pally does 30-50% more dmg than every tank, but also takes that much more damage
Than every other tank
crisp dragon
Very cool utility, but VERY hard to master
lusty marsh
What, and here I am trying to make sure I out dps my pally cotank.
crisp dragon
I can out dps on some fights actually
cyan bluff
Anyone having trouble getting into keys 15+ because we aren't 'meta'? Got to KSM with mostly guild group, but now when I occasionally try to pug a +16 I get declined. Queued for around 17x HoA+16 keys and declined from them all. Asked a few, without flaming, what their reasoning was. Here is an example conversation. We have been screwed by youtuber's silly lists and people who think they need to replicate MDI.
lusty marsh
Is their dps really the highest of the tanks?
eager cedar
It does seem that Prot Warrior is Beefy and feels more rewarding to play with. What do you all think of the leggo changes coming
deep steppe
you'll wish you went prot war when we get our phat new lego ❤️
eager cedar
Some look really good
lusty marsh
Reps in the chat
crisp dragon
Anyone having trouble getting into keys 15+ because we aren't 'meta'? Got to KSM...
Youtube lists are fucking stupid (though I havent done m+ in literally a month)
lusty marsh
Ptr change needs to hurry over to live
eager cedar
Ptr change needs to hurry over to live
are the chages good/ what leggos look better. I do wish we had some DPS ones
deep steppe
reprisal
crisp dragon
Are VDH getting nerfed? I just want to be at least not the worst tank 😭
eager cedar
Reprisal is the "Charge" one right?
amber herald
in terms of actual tankiness VDH is way below prot warr tbh
chilly brook
Are VDH getting nerfed? I just want to be at least not the worst tank 😭
You aren't tbh
deep steppe
Reprisal is the "Charge" one right?
yeah, its changing from just ignore pain, to shield block, ignore pain, revenge on charge/intervene
chilly brook
Blood is for keys
lusty marsh
Idk what the changes are looking like, I just like change.
amber herald
but chaos brand does big dam for fire mages and boomies
chilly brook
deep steppe
the 7
chilly brook
The 7
deep steppe
crisp dragon
He's so trash its a joke
lusty marsh
The guy under the 7
uneven mason
hmm
crisp dragon
How do you guys have fun in m+? I just can't seem to find it fun, Im stuck at 1200 RIO, I really want to get KSM
uneven mason
yeah, its changing from just ignore pain, to shield block, ignore pain, revenge ...
No IP anymore
rage
it gives you rage (which you can use for a IP?)
crisp dragon
That's the joke
deep steppe
How do you guys have fun in m+? I just can't seem to find it fun, Im stuck at 12...
you get KSM
thats the fun
deep steppe
then you roll around on your new mount
uneven mason
Pressing TC is motivation for suicide
deep steppe
and laugh at the meta plebs who cant keep up
crisp dragon
KSM mount was cool like half a year ago, now it's literally just a "look, I'm also average at the game"
sterile moss
game is ez
deep steppe
KSM mount was cool like half a year ago, now it's literally just a "look, I'm al...
yeah but now you can meme on people and say even a prot war can do it
its not the mount, its the memes
crisp dragon
Do you still need Demo shout leggo for proper M+?
I used to only run AM but now that Im on last 4 M bosses, I have to run Bolster constantly, so no more AM for me 😭
deep steppe
i use it, but the wall is also v-good
jade wyvern
signet go brrr
crisp dragon
Yeah, signet seems fun
sterile moss
I wanted to like TL for m+ but honestly once I started using Wall for it I couldn't give up the shield walls
crisp dragon
But I loved 8.3 where u could just use demo constantly 😭
crisp dragon
I miss using Last stand for the DPS increase with shit ton of twillight devastation
uneven mason
But I loved 8.3 where u could just use demo constantly 😭
I loved 8.0 where you only had to demo once a boss
crisp dragon
1 demo seems boring man
However my opener is quite hectic on Mythic council, we're talking a 15 button opener
amber herald
Between guardian/prot warr who's best for tanking barghast on mythic?
crisp dragon
Think prot, as far as I remember, guardian has very little actual damage reduc defensives
uneven mason
So, further Siin - on that healing quesiton you asked, avg mitigation your co tank is doing spiffy, but he's getting spiked at times, which leads ot the healers panicing and bursting, thus the high overhealing on him as well.
Barghast ? the souls?
mossy sluice
yeah rip soul tank
crisp dragon
It's just about saving up the rage and not wanting to click that revenge
uneven mason
Also pro tip, get one of the 5 DKs I'm sure your raid has to AMZ on top of you
if you wanna reduce it to nothing
crisp dragon
Revenge just stares at you 👁️ You have to click it
uneven mason
Revenge just stares at you 👁️ You have to click it
revenge is bound to my WAD keys
mossy sluice
wish they gave us fury execute
uneven mason
Fury execute has a CD
mossy sluice
yeah
crisp dragon
YEah, fuck CD
mossy sluice
rage gain
crisp dragon
What you do is, below 20%, pop Last stand with rage gain conduit, then ur cooldowns and u have enough to ragedump 40 rage executes for 20 seconds
mossy sluice
yeah i do that
sterile moss
make sure you save demo for the extra 20%
floral pewter
How do you guys have fun in m+? I just can't seem to find it fun, Im stuck at 12...
it's way more fun if you are in voice chat so you can communicate with people instead of just helplessly cursing when they fuck up
crisp dragon
it's way more fun if you are in voice chat so you can communicate with people in...
Might honestly be a good point, I just had a falling out with my guild over something retarded, so I kind of ended up not really playing unless Im raiding
strange lintel
good old guild drama
crisp dragon
Well, it was obvious that they should have done what I said, but some people never get smarter 🤷♂️
strange lintel
hokay
floral pewter
Might honestly be a good point, I just had a falling out with my guild over some...
even with PUGs you can sometimes get them to join voice chat
maybe easier if it's your own key
Guild is better of course
crisp dragon
I just personally think keeping up with routes is so stressful, because 1 pull this season fucks it all up
Just not confident enough in my dungeon skills
strong forum
I never pug
I play with the same retarded group since late bfa s1
Got my KSM done and then only did 1-4 weekly keys and thats it
crisp dragon
What does that mean, a survival hunter, feral druid, demo lock, MW monk?
strong forum
No the people are special
Back in s4 it was feral, fire mage rsham boomy
Or well, all of bfa really
Feral, mage rsham pwar and +1
Now it's pwar mage rsham elesham +1
Got up to 5k io in beefya, but SL I just cba
lavish oracle
How's the feral do?
strong forum
He's ele now, feral Was fine
lavish oracle
Oh, I see
lusty marsh
5k io? Wouldn't that require doing every key at +50?
strong forum
No
lusty marsh
In bfa
strong forum
It scales exponentially after +15
sweet summit
like +25/+26
lusty marsh
Ah
uneven mason
each key after 15 is worth a considerable amount more
finite prairie
Question about sanguine depths.
Just before second boss when you cross the small bridge from the outer ring to the center of the circle where you get your second pride.
I seem to accidently pull the room of custodians right there about 40% of the time. I cross the bridge and move the pull away from the door. What am I doing wrong? Do I need to pull them.back across the bridge and back up to muss the pat?
lusty marsh
I should try and find a stable m+ group. My guild group is okay but we will never push high.
Only hovering just under 1k atm
lavish oracle
I pull the mob to one side, either all the way to the left or all the way to the right of the door
outer solstice
Question about sanguine depths.
Just before second boss when you cross the sma...
we do a big invis there
check the route on r.io with skips
it makes it soooo much easier
lavish oracle
So you can range the bindings by running yo the other side
outer solstice
but you need 2 invis pots and such
finite prairie
Ah
tardy parcel
Question about sanguine depths.
Just before second boss when you cross the sma...
If not skipping with invis, I will pull that pack of 3 in front of the door to the hallway that you came from
finite prairie
Ill look into that thanks. Seems like a bug tho its like they pull through the wall
tardy parcel
Yea that room is obnoxious lol
finite prairie
Thanks all
lusty marsh
I only ever had it pull when my DRUID used a specific trinket
strong forum
Or is that the big room after the bridge
lusty marsh
Idk why that capittalized
amber herald
I've seen mages flamestrike pull through the wall from inside of that room
uneven mason
because you have a DROOD not a druid
amber herald
but not pulling mobs from outside
uneven mason
Their phoenix flame can spread through the wall as well.
lusty marsh
He did once die to an aoe on that platform because he got rooted.
And replied "oh" when I asked him why he didn't shapeshift.
tardy parcel
Or is that the big room after the bridge
I understood him to be referring to the big room after the bridge, with the whirlwind dood
timber lagoon
I've seen DKs pull that room too
uneven mason
And replied "oh" when I asked him why he didn't shapeshift.
Because druids that started after WoTLK literally don't know they can break roots and be immune to polymorph
amber herald
I've seen DKs pull that room too
that's because of a legendary they have
but if it's the room after the bridge it is easy to pull them there anyway
cunning parcel
Any prebuilt WA out there that just displays friendly HOTs on you? Im not patient enough to make my own
uneven mason
TFW my raiders bitch about extending the lockout to get AoTC sooner, complain about gear, I tell them I will carry them through some +12/13s so they can get 223 options in their vault.
"I don't have time for that"
Literally all last night.
tardy parcel
new guild time
uneven mason
I'll just keep recruiting
we just rebuilt this guild 😛
when we do rebuild enough for mythic I'll be checking my "Is motivated to put time into character development" notes
tardy parcel
indeed
lusty marsh
When do you guys raid :p
uneven mason
8 CST W M
lusty marsh
Sadly doesn't fit into my current raid schedule.
uneven mason
toomany melee anyway
lusty marsh
I wouldn't be coming on my warrior, at least not this warrior anyways
lusty marsh
This one tanks for my raid, we just got to 2/10M last night
uneven mason
nice
uneven mason
badleadership situation scared away most of our crew at the opening of the Xpac, had to reform under a new tag, still lost about 7 members between those 2 things though.
I suppose if Ihad enough rogues/warriors the ranged adds on sire wouldn't be an issue
since leap/shadowstep/chain
lusty marsh
We had a similar situation. The guild lead went on a gkick rampage end of expac.
uneven mason
Ours was just being silent and sitting people because of DPS when DPS wasn't our issue at all.
no discussion at all
lusty marsh
Damn.
Current guild leadership doesn't believe in sitting low dps.
We had more than a few weights on our h sire kill
uneven mason
Current guild leadership doesn't believe in sitting low dps.
Unless We hit a literal enrage wall, I will never sit people as long as mechanics are being performed properly.
Yeah right now I'm feeling the tug
we got him to 11% and 3rd ravage
But its marrying rotational familiarity with the timing of mechanics to catch that extra 5k DPS
lusty marsh
I just wish everyone had the motivation to hit a +14 each week
lusty marsh
Like it's just 40 minutes a week.
I'll admit I've been slacking on torg and venari
And anima
uneven mason
anima
lusty marsh
I need like 15k anima by next week if I want to upgrade my path of ascension to 5
uneven mason
how can you slack on a resource that has no use
lusty marsh
Path of ascension is cool
And I will get my purple rook armor even if you all call it ugly.
dull zodiac
is ther anything to help with a frost mages blizzards
uneven mason
I think I'll be motivated to go NL now that its not horrible just so I have a Xmog that isn't crafted for Night Elves or Humans
uneven mason
wat
lusty marsh
dull zodiac
i cba looking for it 24/7
lusty marsh
Tell me that's unwearable
lusty marsh
Pshoowey
uneven mason
We ain't no windchime
strong forum
Too much effort
uneven mason
Whys your mages QQing about your moving mobs out of Blizzard?
strong forum
For too little gain, talking bout the tmog
ionic fern
Cause blizz = lower orb CD
uneven mason
But no I don't htink any way you can track Blizzard position due to it not hitting you with anything
uneven mason
NF armor is dope af
Furry
chilly brook
Wat
strong forum
Hate mages
chilly brook
It's a tree
strong forum
And their stand still shit
ionic fern
And their stand still shit
Suites well this kite meta.
strong forum
Fuck mages, simple as
uneven mason
IDK I figure only a furry could enjoy looking like something that dogs pee on
strong forum
Rogues aswell 
tender carbon
Has there been any info on how the conduit will change for necro banner with the upcoming change? Since stacks of glory won’t be a thing
tender carbon
Oh cool
tender carbon
Ah, so just strength then?
tender carbon
Oh, I’m all in on it, can’t wait
uneven mason
Yeah, might run necrolord + seismic
with BSC
see what sorta pumpers that amount of atk gives
since the mastery itself is 11% increased atk
tender carbon
Not to mention emeni + banner is gonna be awesome group damage too
Might be highest effective dps tank in like m+
uneven mason
No
lusty marsh
What slots does seismic sit on?
uneven mason
That won't even put us in the same ballpark as VDH and Pal still
and certainly not Balance/convoke HoTF guardians
strong forum
since the mastery itself is 11% increased atk
Isnt it more like 20%+
quaint basalt
Cause blizz = lower orb CD
Cause the Frost AOE leggo only works in Blizzard
strong forum
Well that depends
But yes, very high chance of that being the case
Cuz boomies prolly get like 2k+ dps out of it during all CDs
uneven mason
ah yeah it is possible gorupDPS
uneven mason
if you bring classes which get big benefits from mastery and their CDs line up with the 2min CD on banner.
lusty marsh
What about dk
tender carbon
That’s kkke ~15% dps buff for them
strong forum
Kkk
tidal holly
Isnt it more like 20%+
Its rating and not % . So it May have dr later
strong forum
The DR kicks in on actual rating gained past 30% gained from rating
You start with 12% or smth baseline
Those 12% aren't counted in to the % required for the stat tax to set in
Same with crit
uneven mason
so, you won't see DR with mastery until 19% block/57%Crit block/38% attack power gained from it
I think
since DR with mastery is vs "points" and not %
screwy how that works
strong forum
Yuh
floral pewter
when I tested it with the Pelagos buff, I didn't see any DR, but maybe I'm misunderstanding how it works
floral pewter
I tested it on a paladin instead of a warrior, since my war doesn't have much mastery gear
sweet summit
youd need 70*30 rating to hit dr
floral pewter
idk if that affects breakpoints or anything
floral pewter
but I have 676 mastery from gear, giving +30.90% ret mastery
sweet summit
uneven mason
70 mastery per 1 % block
floral pewter
with Pelagos, 1033 mastery, giving +47.22%
uneven mason
with Pelagos, 1033 mastery, giving +47.22%
THats critical block %?
floral pewter
no, that's Ret mastery on my paladin
lavish oracle
Does the DR affect the attack power scaling from our mastery or is that separate?
uneven mason
So ret gets 1.6% per point
uneven mason
Does the DR affect the attack power scaling from our mastery or is that separate...
DR affects rating
floral pewter
But my point is, that's the same 21.87 points per % despite being past the regime where I would expect DR to kick in
uneven mason
after you hit the DR marks each "rating" becomes worth that % less
uneven mason
But my point is, that's the same 21.87 points per % despite being past the regim...
you start with 8 "points" of mastery
lavish oracle
Right, but is the attack power scaling separate or is it affected by our rating?
uneven mason
so, subtract 12.8%
floral pewter
you start with 8 "points" of mastery
yes, I already did
sweet summit
what is this mastery points your talking about
uneven mason
Yes, 21.87x 1.6 is 35
its 35 rating per "mastery"
mastery gives varying % to each class
Ret is 1.6%
floral pewter
Right, I understand that
uneven mason
but that % Isn't what DR is based on
sweet summit
@uneven mason what
floral pewter
How much rating is DR supposed to kick in at?
sweet summit
30% from rating
floral pewter
ah, ok
sweet summit
mastery is different no?
uneven mason
Right
uneven mason
1050 rating is 30 "mastery"
uneven mason
no
floral pewter
Ok, I had expected it to kick in sooner than that
uneven mason
Diminishing returns on mastery is based on the "points" which you get 1 mastery "point" per 35 rating
strong forum
Otherwise warlocks would hit the 50%tax insta
uneven mason
We have 3 %
0.5% block
1.5% Crit block
and 1% atk
thats per point
or per 35 rating
So our DR won't kick in until we hit 57% crit block/19% block/38% atk
floral pewter
ok well, 1050 mastery rating before hitting even the first tier of DR isn't bad at all, maybe in later tiers it'll be an issue
corruptions
floral pewter
the first tier of DR is only -10% I think, right?
strong forum
40% is 20% tax
So the first tax can safely be ignored
For example, going from 30 to 40% haste you only need 363 or smth like that
From gear
You lose a total of 33 haste by going from 30 to 40% haste, as example
Which is just nothing, totally worth to sac
But we can't get there this tier anyway
waxen cradle
So yeah got Mythic Inerva last night, had to sacrifice a lot of my dps I could have been doing and avoid mongo spamming Revenge, but not so bad after that. Feels bad to do fights where you have to choose survivability or dpsing more as a tank, but oh well #theprotwarriorlife
jolly spindle
yo nomeratur u seem to know stuff ab other exp
how did gear work in bfa
i swear in nyalotha i didnt have 50% of a stat before without corruptions
but in this first tier i do somehow
how is gear gonna scale
uneven mason
but in this first tier i do somehow
what stat?
jolly spindle
mastery xd
uneven mason
the crit block?
uneven mason
you get 1.5% crit block per mastery point
jolly spindle
probably way lower
uneven mason
jolly spindle
yeah but i just wanted to know
uneven mason
fury is almost as high
1.4% per point, prot is 1.5% crit block
so, not that unheard of
jolly spindle
cause if the ilvl goes up by like 10 next tier i will probs have like 70%
unless items get scaled down every tier idk
its why im asking
i only played nyalotha and cn
uneven mason
You're talking with like, AA or Pepegos?
we'll prob see diff stat balances
because 975 is a lot of mastery
I'm sitting at 464 rating ~215ilvl
so if you have 975...that is high mastery on every peice of gear.
jolly spindle
ye my luck is dogshit
unique shale
Venthyr prot war finally got his SKM
uneven mason
just enjoy that burst
uneven mason
Venthyr prot war finally got his SKM
#1 warrior on raider.io was venthyr for quite a while 😄
unique shale
jolly spindle
condemn is my defensive
strange lintel
the teleport bubble is good right hehehe
uneven mason
the teleport bubble is good right hehehe
its not nothing
strange lintel
it isnt? welp
uneven mason
Its more than 0
adds defensive value to an ability that had none
15% bubble is pretty nice
dealing with stuff like, Sire Portypants
strange lintel
holy shit i need new glasses. i read "its not working"
uneven mason
I'd rather use Door and have that soak up for inevitable
Sire makes me so mad
I actually had him port 3x in 3 steps
rather than just WALKING, its like he is a boss to personify millennials
uneven mason
swordlady does it too
unique shale
too much moving and dodging
unique shale
lol
unique shale
i using door to walk backward XD
amber herald
Are tanks supposed to get sinseeker on huntsman?
lofty widget
dont think so
unique shale
Are tanks supposed to get sinseeker on huntsman?
just SR
uneven mason
deflect*