protection

[signal plover]

you're doing mythic yeh?@uneven mason

[topaz flicker]

Hey! Fury main, looking at probably switching to Prot main. Kyrian cov, what legendaries should I focus on crafting? The Wall and Thunderforce still, even with the updated ones on PTR?

[sweet summit]

The wall/tlord yeah
Reprisal is looking hot on ptr atm too

[signal plover]

Imo craft wall and save soul ash

Wall works well in both raid and m+

And I think Reprisal will replace TL in m+ in 9.0.5

(assuming no nerferinos)

[sweet summit]

Ye prolly

[signal plover]

I'm trying to sneak AM/seismic/BSC memes into my weekly keys so healers get used to me being a bit more spiky

Every time they toss me a big heal I hit a clicker on discord so they know they did a good job

[sweet summit]

😂 😂

[blazing condor]

people really out here not transmogging their gear

🤢

[jagged pier]

it would probs save me about 500k-1mil gold an expansion if i didnt tbh XD

[blazing condor]

money well spent

[strong forum]

Bruh people that don't tmog have no soul

[tired basin]

ok -- i'm sure this has been covered here but i'm brand new to prot warrrior, coming from a Blood DK. I currently raid and do enough M+ for decent vault selections. I know there's some cov changes planned for warrior, so what do we think is going to be a safe bet for raiding going forward? I've heard necro is going to be pretty boss, but currently it's the "never take" cov in all guides.

[strong forum]

Necro has potential to push us into being meta raid tank if its not going to get nerfed and you play around the banner with your friendly boomkin/warlock pals with strict coordination

The safest bet is and will be kyrian for all types of content

NF is also great, offers a bit more damage than kyrian.

[snow tusk]

new to prot as well and i would like to ask if the upcoming legendary changes will affect our choices or if the wall will still be go to

[strong forum]

Wall and reprisal are looking to be the 2 go-to leggos

[vague jetty]

I will def be running reprisal if they don’t nerf it

[strong forum]

With seismic reverb being another pick if you wanna pump phatty deeps in m+

[snow tusk]

my thought as well. reprisal looks really good to me

[vague jetty]

Craft the wall though if you don’t have it

[snow tusk]

i will only be raid tank

i have it on r2 right now

[vague jetty]

As reprisal could get nerfed

[snow tusk]

was thinking of saving the ash now for reprisal

[vague jetty]

How much do you have

[snow tusk]

0 xD

[vague jetty]

We get what, 1140 a week?

[dawn geode]

am i correct in just not crafting TL, wall has been wonderful

[vague jetty]

Did you do all the torghast quests

[snow tusk]

i did, yes. i have been playing fury before and am only now rolling tank

so i have the signet on r4

[vague jetty]

So the patch should launch in March, so let’s say in 3 weeks it likely is live, that’s what 3420 in 3 weeks, r3 is how much?

[snow tusk]

3250 i think

something around that

[vague jetty]

Unless you are doing like the last 2 or 3 on mythic cn, I would just start pooling soul ash

[snow tusk]

nah, we are proging sunking today (probably kill) and then lady

on that note! any idea how to deal with the vanquisher dot? i get in real trouble as soon as i get to 3 stacks

207 ilvl might be the issue, but i need to find a way to deal with them better

[signal plover]

Taunt swap ;). Phial/racials do not work. BoP might but we never actually ended up needing to try it.

Other than that just SW/DS/IP

The inc dmg from shade is actually a joke and u can out range his frontal like 90% of the time.

Also make sure you shattering throw dps shields 1 and 4 for a nice boost on dmg.

[uneven mason]

Swap at 2, shouldn't live past the 4th cast.

[uneven mason]

Wall has been best friend, might be saying goodbye to him in dungeons soon tho.

[snow tusk]

thing is, currently the vanquisher lives for as long until the first shield (2nd shade) comes and me being new to this i am not taunting the shade due to not knowing how to move it. so my other tank has to tank both until my stacks drop which is quite hard on him. so i want to be able to tank it longer :/

good advice with the shattering! i absolutely forgot about that one

[uneven mason]

You're doing mythic?

at 207?

[snow tusk]

erm... yep xD

[uneven mason]

Yeah thats whats killing you

nothing else

[snow tusk]

could tank first 3 with no issues though 😄

[uneven mason]

Because first 3 don't really deal in bleeds

Prot's primary weakness is DoTs

[snow tusk]

yeah, i thought so. bleed is nasty af

[uneven mason]

Prot's only weakness is damage over time

rather, DoT when you can't build a ton of rage

if you're able to pump rage into IP

its not horrible

but when you don't have big buckets of rage to pump every tick

it hurts.

Also, reverse the order in which you guys take the Vanquishers?

so for the 2nd shade you can take one

Beyond that.
Apply Demo shout to the vanqu when you hit 3 stacks, pump rage into IP, use avatar for another injection of rage to keep pumping IP...

if its the damage while the bleed falls off

[snow tusk]

i do. as soon as the shade comes i take the vanquisher

[uneven mason]

Ah

Understood

[snow tusk]

first he takes, then i when he gets to 2/3 stacks, then he again until shade comes, and then me again

[uneven mason]

So, save Avatar and Demo shout for when the stacks get higher.

[snow tusk]

got it

[uneven mason]

and dump into IP every tick

maximize your rage gains for higher stacks

[snow tusk]

currently i used avatar/TC dmg setup for the adds, but i`m not sure if its worth it

[uneven mason]

don't run UF

[uneven mason]

Nein, HC I got big mad face

[signal plover]

O snap

[uneven mason]

Still not 20 people and needing to recruit is causing us issues retraining new people

[signal plover]

I 'member them days

[uneven mason]

Relearning phase 1 and 2 each time we add someone to the roster

We had toxic GM situation at the start of SL

[signal plover]

Oof

[uneven mason]

we recreated the guild

lost about 7 people

Like - we lost 14 to toxic GM

got 7 back when we reformed.

[signal plover]

Yeah takes a couple of tiers to really rebuild effectively

[uneven mason]

mhmm

gotta mold folks

🤞 Got a solid officer council tho

Like I got this one boomkin

who spaces out

and dies to dumb shit

but if I like, snap them out of it and bring their attention to the screwups

they're amazing damage and don't get hit by anything

for 4 pulls

then they die to Phase 1 Ravage

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Quite possibly the most projected attack in the history of when they started adding graphical projections of attacks

Also I don't mean toxic like, yelling and being horrible to people.
I Mean toxic like an angry GF who's already decides she's your ex-gf but is too passive aggressive to say anything.

[brittle owl]

so like

just a regular cunt

[uneven mason]

no communication - disappears for days on end

hey now, I wouldn't go that far

won't listen when a conversation is initiated.

we deals with it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brittle owl]

you say this but then you go on to describe trash anyway

[uneven mason]

Eh, someone has to go realllly far to earn that word from me.

[signal plover]

Yes but when trash is described that way it's refuse

A gentler word

[brittle owl]

[smoky sparrow]

any nf prots which soulbind do u go for

[uneven mason]

depends

Niya for M+ cause Burrz got BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[smoky sparrow]

isnt burrs st

[brittle owl]

that's some waste discrimination right there

[uneven mason]

I dip into Korayn for raiding sometimes because that 15% physical DR helps with leeds

although at times its hard to stand still.

flipside can gain 3% DR for being in front of your target.

[smoky sparrow]

yeah the 3% dr sounds better

[signal plover]

@brittle owl hell yeah brother

[hardy radish]

good lord man

I just had a bear druid on a +13 DOS pull the entire strip leading up to the 3rd boss

all the cranes and moths and runestags

and then some little dudes at the bottom on the side pull

and I didn't even see his hp go down lmao

on the one hand I was very happy to bladestorm them and pump numbers, but on the other I was just completely demoralized thinking how I could NEVER pull that off as a tank

[blazing condor]

hope pride didnt fuck yall up

oh you meant after the dragon?

[hardy radish]

ye

and pride spawned right as we had 2 stags left

[blazing condor]

Yeah

pretty yuge

[uneven mason]

Its not a hard pull

[hardy radish]

it was disgusting man

ah you're right my mistake

[blazing condor]

Maybe not but if Coleo though it was coolio then why take it away

[uneven mason]

The HP not going down is the impressive part 😄

[blazing condor]

😦

[hardy radish]

just tank it 4head

[blazing condor]

we're all friends here

[deep steppe]

you can make some pretty massive pulls in there as prot

since its like

[uneven mason]

I pulled the first half on Grevious/Fort in a +13 and survived. I think the healer needed new shorts after it though.

[deep steppe]

95% physical

[uneven mason]

I could say not on fort

[blazing condor]

yeah i love ardenweald part

you take like 5 packs then pride then just urn everything

[uneven mason]

that its not out of the question of doing it as prot

[blazing condor]

yeah same its a realistic pull to do

[uneven mason]

the whole ramp

[wild hemlock]

whos ready to be chargin and intervenin everyyyyyyywhere

[uneven mason]

👋

[wild hemlock]

im gonna hop to night fae so i can soul form and charge moreeeeeeeee lmao

[uneven mason]

2min CD on another charge feels bad man

enjoying that 20% healing during grevious

[blazing condor]

Anyone knows if its worth going ravager for sun-king if you wanna get those parses up?

[uneven mason]

not really

[deep steppe]

my 98 on heroic was

[blazing condor]

Alright just checking, thats about what i run but with BS instead of CT

[jagged pier]

got rank 3 on mythc without as the mythic strat there arent enough adds

[blissful ether]

Hey guys how is prot warrior looking?

[jagged pier]

go ask the prot pally discord

[blissful ether]

Yeah i already changed it XD

I keep mixing the 2 up for some reason

[deep steppe]

Its pretty good imo, dam is a tad low but, i feel like its pretty strong despite that

I've gotten KSM & AOTC with it, haven't really gone above that barrier but 🤷‍♂️

[blazing condor]

now when ive gotten more geared i feel like prot warr is fine

[blissful ether]

Oh sounds good then!

[blazing condor]

wasn't worlds first mythic denathrius done with a warr tank?

ive found them to be pretty good for this tier

[mossy sluice]

yeah darkee played prot war

dps war was also kinda bleh and they needed battle shout on fights where they would potentially have no dps war

[uneven mason]

Because you could cheese several mechanics with SR (this has since been "Fun detected")

[blazing condor]

o i c

still i feel like theyre fine in CN

[uneven mason]

Yeah we're more than fine, but thats one of the big reasons why it was used 😄 SR OP

its still really strong

It compensated for a ton of ilvl basically

[blazing condor]

the reflect sound effect is crisp asf ngl

[signal plover]

I wanna put it on the zipper of my pants so that anytime I open the porthole I get that satisfying swoosh

[uneven mason]

I'd prefer the SW sound, more fitting, like a ton of metal falling into place

[signal plover]

You can have that on the closing of the porthole

Everyone wins

[proper pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/754013340845736040/814241060661624922/unknown.png How do you think, should I drop chants and gems into vers?

[uneven mason]

I think, you should stack ilvl

impressive haste tho

[chilly brook]

^

[pure sun]

how the fuck is that possible lmao

[strong forum]

It's called 5stacks itf + anime emitter proc

[uneven mason]

can add Dreamweaver Aftershock to that list

[strong forum]

Don't need that to get there

[uneven mason]

True, but that'd be even more fun.

[strong forum]

With Lust and pi I get over 100% haste again :D

[proper pecan]

ITF + food

and i miss 1 ring gem

I can only dream about emitter

[uneven mason]

oof, am I the only one wishing we had Seismic at 75% already

think I might craft that one before Reprisal

if its dead it can't hurt me.

[ionic fern]

Am i the only one who has both of them on live already?

[uneven mason]

Probably

[ionic fern]

👀

[uneven mason]

I'm cheap and am banking ash

do you still run BV with Seismic?

or do you run BSC?

[ionic fern]

BSC for me

[uneven mason]

hmm feels like BSC should still be stronger

like 50% base, 100% if dodge/parry

[proper pecan]

BSC is working on second revenge from seismic?

And do anyone knows something about that?

[patent osprey]

So this was a necrotic wake, but i got Pis 😄 it was fun dam

almost 7k dream >.<

[strong forum]

big pad man

📈

[uneven mason]

THat with Seismic/BSC?

or just pumping

ah nm I see, you got some PI

mage make your priest mad?

[patent osprey]

nope, just asked for it ^.^ politely

yeah seismic BSC

[modern brook]

Robwar mor like war was robbed.

[hardy radish]

that's insane haha

[lavish oracle]

God damn, 6.9k overall, I thought I was hot shit at 5k

[uneven mason]

TFW you truely do more DPS as Prot than fury

This is fine 🔥

[chilly brook]

Fury big pumps tho

Had a few 20k pulls last night

[uneven mason]

20k overall tho

But yeah, fury does nice DPS in M+

until you hit a boss.

WTB legendaries that buff ST DPS.

for prot or fury

like

Whys everyone else get insane DPS buffing legos

[wild hemlock]

what level key

[uneven mason]

22?

[half geyser]

Is venthyr too bad of an option for someone who wanna focus on m+?

[uneven mason]

Ask Plka

was Venthyr until a few weeks back

swapping back I think 😛

[fringe oyster]

Night fae is mad fun even if they ever nerfed AA I’ll still stay fae

[uneven mason]

if they nerf AA I'll run screaming from NF

I'm not sure who has the uglier Xmog, Bastion of Ardenweald

[shell hare]

Take that back

Groot smog is sick

Xmog *

[uneven mason]

You're right, NF is definetly the worst Xmog in the game

makes me sick too.

[astral crystal]

That would be necrolord plate

[tardy parcel]

looks like 14

[signal plover]

BSC memes are spooky above 15ish

Unless u have blasters

[tardy parcel]

def looked like blasters in the group otherwise, esp. if they weren't spearing/getting PId lol

[chilly brook]

My boss damage isn't that bad

[uneven mason]

I kept telling myself that

and then I was popping pots to keep ahead of the paladin tank

[tacit smelt]

what leggo slot do u guys craft ur seismic in?

[uneven mason]

haven't yet

still waiting for them to fun detect it

[tacit smelt]

Its getting a huge buff soon so HIGHLY doubt them taking the nerf bat out yet

[uneven mason]

thats the change I"m talking about

expecting them to last minute bring it down to 5targets and 50%

because we can't let warriors deal damage, that might make people invite them again.

[scarlet halo]

what other talents did you run?

[strong forum]

damn

4.5k dps on huntsman

while i kited a bit

FUARK

that couldve been r1

i even spaced out for a second and got hecutis to 10 stacks

[patent osprey]

@scarlet halo

[scarlet halo]

thanks 😄

[fringe oyster]

You prefer storm bolt over rumbling earth?

I feel like the extra cd reduction on shockwave is huge for me personally

[strong forum]

no

stormbolt is massively better than rumbling

[fringe oyster]

Interesting ...... maybe I’ll have to make that switch

[uneven mason]

2nd R A N G E D stun vs being able to cone stun 35%~ more often IF it hits 3 targets (notice the conditional which is obnoxious)

Remember when rumbling was baseline

pepperidge farm remembers

[fringe oyster]

You think it’s worth saving the soul ash for the new leggo vs crafting a high rank of the wall ?? I already have a high rank of thunder lords

[uneven mason]

for m+ exclusively?

[fringe oyster]

Yes

That new one looks fantastic

I think it’s gonna be huge

And soul ash sucks to farm

[uneven mason]

yeah, don't talk about it tho

might get it fun detected.

[fringe oyster]

Ok I’ll silently hold on to the soul ash. What slot are we gonna be putting that on though lol

[mighty valley]

What are the options again?

[ionic fern]

Legs/Feet.

[mighty valley]

time for leggo legs I guess

[uneven mason]

Legs big stat sticks

[valid zodiac]

216 Scale/210 Emitter/213 Heart of Alar. What combo should I opt

[uneven mason]

scale and emitter

[mighty valley]

heart can be good for prog fights or keys that are tough for you, would swap it for emitter sometimes

[uneven mason]

FYI - killing raid members with Heart procs provides victory rush, bonus healing!

[mighty valley]

I should work harder to kill friends with it

[uneven mason]

its happened once

it went off due to the DoT on HC sire

when he pulled us in for HoD

killed 2

its such a small range, it requires a perfect storm like that to actually hit players.

[wild hemlock]

@sick sentinel please teach us that damage. stream it tonight or something lmao

[sterile moss]

I'm wondering which two to use for HC Sire from the same selection: 207 scale, 226 emitter, 200 heart of Alar

if the ilvls were different, I would prefer scale and alar for sure, but feels like a difficult choice with my setup

[uneven mason]

scale and emitter

altho

dmg gets nasty phase 3

[sterile moss]

yeah I'll probably do that

[dense flame]

Is seismic our bis dung leggo?

[uneven mason]

its probably the most fun

for damage without a doubt though.

[dense flame]

Will the new buffs to reprisal think that will take over? Seems like seismic eliminates some of our snap threat or dmg issues

[uneven mason]

All around Reprisal will be strong

Snap threat damage issues?

[wild hemlock]

damn imma prolly build seismic tonight for fun while waiting for reprisal

[uneven mason]

I mean

reprisal is available now

it just sucks so hard you'd turn inside out from equipping it.

[wild hemlock]

yerp

[floral pewter]

Will the updated Reprisal devalue haste since we'd have high SB uptime anyway?

[ionic fern]

Haste also reduces CD of SS/TC which are our main rage generators.

👀

[uneven mason]

TFW

compresses the GCD

haste is a linear increase to the # of Revenges we can pump!

What it might do is devalue bolster

and increase the value of AM

since we'll have such a large rage budget

[ionic fern]

Chances are you won't need either of the block talents if Reprisal goes live as it is on PTR as long as you can Charge/Intervene.

[uneven mason]

Idon't generally run bolster anyway, or rarely so, its no matter to me

but yeah, such high uptime on SB

with LS being such a limp noodle by itself.

Fix LS - "Ignore pain absorbs 100% of incoming damage and costs 20 rage" 15 second duration

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uncut fog]

What is the the change?

[uneven mason]

its a wish

[uncut fog]

Naah what does it do, cant find the info 😄

[uneven mason]

What does what do?

Repirsal?

Right now it laughs at you for spending soul ash on it

[uncut fog]

Yea

[livid oar]

Do we think that the necrolord banner buffs are going to be worth switching from kyrian to necro in 9.0.5 for prot?

[uncut fog]

I know^^ but the new one?

[uneven mason]

Charge and Intervene grant you Shield block, Revenge! and 20 rage

Its like Christmas every time you press that big red button

[uneven mason]

Covenants are going to be personal preference more or less in 9.0.5

as it should be

[uncut fog]

That's big, but it dosn't look like it's a good one in raid

[uneven mason]

Kyrian already gives us a massive mastery buff

and a heal

but their soulbinds are "meh"

[plucky viper]

Is it better to use two alacrity trinkets (1 at 220 and 1 at 197) over a dreadfire vessel (220) and a IQD (226) ?

for mythic+

[uneven mason]

I kinda feel like the IQD might be more usful than the 197

and DFV is a nice snap

[plucky viper]

I was thinking that the haste would make tanking more bearable for me in dungeons

[uneven mason]

eh

[plucky viper]

im still struggling

[uneven mason]

haste won't fix

[tardy parcel]

220 alacrity over iqd, but keep dreadfire vessel imo

[plucky viper]

Ill have to see, i was going to try running into the fray instead of ravager because i can get to about 40% with it fully stacked

[uneven mason]

good in raids

[plucky viper]

Should I still be trying to keep ignore pain and shield block up at the same time?

I mostly do mythic+ i raid casually

[uneven mason]

not having ravager in M+ Is eek

[plucky viper]

Yeah I know, it feels so good when its up.

[tardy parcel]

IP helps smooth out your damage intake, and is great to have up if you have Rage to burn and could benefit from the smoothing-out, but it's not a requirement to keep SB and IP up at the same time, no.

[lavish oracle]

I dunno, ITF has felt fine in the few keys I've run it in after forgetting to swap off raid talents 😄

Generally, if you find yourself taking too much damage with shield block up, dump extra rage into IP, if you're fine without it, you can dump into revenge

There's no hard and fast rule, you just have to learn which pulls are dangerous

[uneven mason]

Oh, its just about the rage income that Ravager provides

and the stable AE aggro

M+ is all about bursts of resources

[lavish oracle]

Sure, but you're not like, actively throwing with ITF or anything

[dark lark]

Ravager is more convenient for keys, but using ITF won't make or break it

[uneven mason]

for sure

[proper pecan]

Anyone 1 tanking sun king here?

[pure sun]

me feel free to dm if u got questions @proper pecan

or ask here either or

[wanton condor]

my main issue with not running ravager is snap aggro

especially if I'm trying to get two packs together

[uneven mason]

☝️

[lavish oracle]

I still run Dragon Roar, I suppose, so I don't feel it so keenly

[echo egret]

Somewhat noob question but... what does "push" mean in a M+ pug group description ?

[lavish oracle]

It means they want to time it

Some people use it to mean that they want to run the upgraded key after if it's a good group

[echo egret]

ok thanks

[wanton condor]

I honestly want to be able to run BSC or DR, but it feels like booming voice too good for burst damage with ravager + gives me rage to instant shield block

maybe with new reprisal

[strong forum]

bsc has potential with new reprisal

[mighty cairn]

new reprisal should probably make up for the threat generation we're missing if we go necrolord right

at least in big m+ pulls having aoe taunt is a nice fallback

[lavish oracle]

Honestly, Dragon Roar Sims better for me 100% of the time and I like the way it feels

I'll probably swap BSC with reprisal

[uneven mason]

are you simming Patchwerk when you sim and get DR?

[strong forum]

DR sims only like 4dps better on pure ST

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

and in cleave BSC and BV crush it

cuz

[lavish oracle]

I simmed it about 30 different ways yesterday

It was like 50 DPS higher on pure ST

And like 5 DPS higher on anything more than 5 targets

[uneven mason]

feels off

you running 9.0.1 build?

[lavish oracle]

It was just whatever the default raidbots profile was, my simc is up to date

Though tbh, even if it were slightly worse damage I'd probably still run it

[signal plover]

New Reprisal or new seismic?

O wait

Reprisal gives the proc

Hmmmmm

HMMMMMM

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I'm running reprisal for sure

If it makes it to live this way

Which at this point, I think it might

[wild hemlock]

wahts new seismic?

i thought just reprisal was changing

[lavish oracle]

Same as old seismic but better

They just doubled the number

[wild hemlock]

ah im definitely crafting tonight then after seeing that stupid ass 6.9k overall earlier

[lavish oracle]

Haha, I'd save ash unless you're sitting near cap

[wild hemlock]

im not but its just a chill alt

[lavish oracle]

Fair, it's good for dps memes

[wanton condor]

quick checks for me
1 target 5 min patchwerk
1.2% BSC
.9% DR
0% BM

5 target 40s no buffs
5.7% BSC
0% BM
-1.3% DR

[uneven mason]

I feel we can bring back a little bit of the golden age of BFA DPS Prot with Seismic wno

[lavish oracle]

I did 1-4 minutes, iirc

[wanton condor]

I'm also using my dps optimized apl which might give a little more value to rage spenders

[lavish oracle]

Ah, could be, this is a 1 minute sim for me

On 40s it looks like this

(5 target, patchwerk)

[uneven mason]

if you're lining up the sim length perfectly with the ability use it'll show up higher.

thus 40s it drops drastically

[lavish oracle]

I mean, sure, but that'll be true of any CD, it'll largely be dependent on fight length

my point is mostly they're close enough and I like DR better

[uneven mason]

right, which is why, in a perfect situation for it, DR looks good

gonna enjoy those Seismic BSC parses tho

gives me an excuse to always have 3 mobs on me

[ionic fern]

Pull everything onto bosses and tell everyone else to just ST like Sub rogues in BfA.

[uneven mason]

🤘

[wanton condor]

I like 40s sims just because it feels more appropriate to pulls

also did ravager/bolster to approximate m+ on that

[ionic fern]

Did you disable lust and all the other stuff?

[sharp sun]

seismic - head or shoulders?

[wanton condor]

yup

[lavish oracle]

I disabled everything but BS

[wanton condor]

40s no buffs, top is BSC/ITF/AM

anyways with Reprisal I think I might end up running BSC, largely because it provides that extra rage on charge/intervene to help kickstart defense

probably also do some BSC with Seismic just to yolo around this week

[lavish oracle]

it provides extra rage and gives you free blocks so you're kinda gonna be swimming in rage anyways

[ionic fern]

Reprisal with AM/BSC is a solid play if it goes live as it is.

[lavish oracle]

I'm starting to think it might, since it's lasted a week and Blizzard either hasn't seen how huge a buff it is or just doesn't really care

[uneven mason]

or legit recognizes what a shitshow they've made of warriors

as far as our dmg goes

like as a base spec prot is fine, we're really strong at our intended purpose

tanking

[lavish oracle]

Seems like if they did, they would just like...aura buff us instead of tying our damage to a legendary buff

[uneven mason]

and its less that prot is undertuned

that the other tanks are overtuned for dmg

But I don't think they did

Because the "buffs" fury's and arms legendaries are receiving

are mindboggling pointless

12 seconds of a really shitty haste buff WOOT!

[wanton condor]

I just don't think they had any idea behind the leggos

they're the most boring leggos in the world

[uneven mason]

I get why they're not fixing fury's and arms legos though

[wanton condor]

like I hate signet but it's still adding more gameplay wise

[lavish oracle]

I forgot those buffs were even a thing, lol

[uneven mason]

refustal to admit they fucked up

because the legos were strong in beta

and they nerfed them RIGHT through the dirt

[lavish oracle]

I kinda like signet

the like weird bladestorm canceling stuff is kinda interesting

[uneven mason]

yeah its interactive

[wanton condor]

I just don't like the whole roll the bones mechanic

[uneven mason]

they still won't admit that they were wrong to take 10% haste off of enrage for NO REASON EVER

[outer solstice]

can you reflect the rite of supremacy in SD?

or deflect?

[lavish oracle]

Partially

Deflect

You reduce the damage and negate the dot

[outer solstice]

will i survive the big bang?

without any ball?

[uneven mason]

depends what key

[lavish oracle]

Uhhh, depends on the key level, probably. You're essentially just throwing up a 25% DR for it

[outer solstice]

so it does not deflect ...

I was mainly asking if the big bang deflects

[lavish oracle]

It does, there's a dot associated with the cast

that you entirely negate

so it's a deflect

The initial damage does not deflect

[outer solstice]

ok ty

[timber lagoon]

It's really clutch to not get the dot

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, the dot is most of the damage, tbh

[timber lagoon]

Did a 15 last night and told my healer just pump out hunter lol

"I'll be good"

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I let our squishier DPS know they can grab a couple extra orbs

[tardy parcel]

I was fine with just SR and a single orb last week in a 15 I timed - no clue what it would feel like this week on Tyran, though. I have a buddy who only needs SD for KSM so I'd love any slick strats for it on Tyran lmao

[sterile moss]

yeah one orb is fine on a 15 with SR. If missing hp, might need to IP and/or demo. But negating the dot means you'll almost always be fine

just hope your dps don't clown around and ice block AFTER taking the big hit so they don't die to the dot

lol

[timber lagoon]

Not sure of any slick strats for that fight, shit hurts in a 15 this week. If you have a hunter bring a brez or something lol, I've seen multiple hunters die by like the third blast

[toxic otter]

hunter is the squishiest dps class probably

[sterile moss]

got to love that 6 sec barkskin on a 3 minute cooldown

[vestal moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW0Vx32hFRc&feature=youtu.be

At 4:08 in this video how is the prot warrior going backwards onto Baron duskhollow's platform?

i cant figure it out.

[unique cloak]

he pulls you to him

when you hit him

[vestal moat]

oh lol so i dont have to do anything

[unique cloak]

so you throw weapon at him

and he yoinks you over

[vestal moat]

ohhh ok

[unique cloak]

so that you can leap back over to move boss

I just posted my kill as well if you want to see a perspective of warrior moving boss off platforms

[vestal moat]

sure can you DM me link?

[unique cloak]

yeah for sure

[dark lark]

@unique cloak i'd like to see too 🙂

[unique cloak]

I guess I can just post it here

twitch vod or youtube?

[mighty cairn]

does the 20 rage generated on charge from the new reprisal legendary include what charge already gives? or is it 20 on top

[astral crystal]

it's plus

[mighty cairn]

that is pretty spicy

[wanton condor]

charge, pop a SB charge to get it on CD, pop your Revenge! proc, intervene, to a melee dps or close ranged, Revenge! again...

[dark lark]

@unique cloak I feel baited I thought you were an e-girl

Not watching anymore /s

[unique cloak]

lmfao

get fucked baited

idiot

thanks for the view

[dark lark]

lolol

[strong forum]

@sweet summit is our favourite e-girl.

[dark lark]

@strong forum you have long hair, so you'll have to do

[strong forum]

That sounds so rapey

BRB writing a twitlonger

[young oasis]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/borc# fixed my logs by listening to you guys. I even got allmighty @strong forum beat on Huntsman mythic and I learned alot of things from him

That neck advice today was the bomb

[cinder nova]

Neck advice? 🤔

[young oasis]

To change Huntsman neck for crit vers one with socket

People in guild still dont respect me couse "no one plays prot warr"

[strong forum]

prolly had more uptime than me

:angy:

[lusty marsh]

Dead discord

I got a nice haste mastery neck with a socket from vault this week.

[halcyon horizon]

Ppl in my guild said the same about me as arms warrior, but i'm still 1st dps in raid

[lusty marsh]

Big haste tiny mast

[halcyon horizon]

believe in your dreams buddy

[young oasis]

Always. Playing prot warr from day 1 of EU release. Never had alt or anything

[cinder nova]

Man, I feel bad for that. The people in my guild practically worship me because I can chad as prot so aggressively.

[young oasis]

Play Protection Warrior or die trying, thats my WoW moto

[cinder nova]

Yuh

Built myself a little cult following after the TD craze was just off the chain with TD7

Carried that momentum into SL

[young oasis]

Ye, was crazy

[lusty marsh]

Td?

[cinder nova]

Twilight Devestation

[young oasis]

I really regret I couldnt raid active in Nyalotha mythic

[strong forum]

You actually beat me by 5 dps

[young oasis]

Fuck

[lusty marsh]

Ah

[strong forum]

Bro

Fuck me

[young oasis]

Warrior was monster

[cinder nova]

I FEEL THAT

I'M COMPETING WITH A PROT WARRIOR ON MY SERVER FOR IO SCORE

[young oasis]

Fuck, owning dpsers

[lusty marsh]

Our time will come again.

[cinder nova]

AND I WAS LIKE 3 BEHIND HIM AFTER A NEW CLEAR

[young oasis]

Rapist 1st grade

[cinder nova]

Big mad

[young oasis]

I have hope in Reprisal

[cinder nova]

Bro put your hope in Necro buffs

[young oasis]

Nah

[lusty marsh]

New reprisal + second Lego whenever we get that.

[patent osprey]

Gettum

[cinder nova]

You can get easy north of 400-500 STR per cast

[young oasis]

I like Smurf Spear

[cinder nova]

Yeah I'm 2 places ahead of him atm and we have a bet for 1K on whoever is highest at reset

[lusty marsh]

Damn, I should really watch those prot streams I asked about forever ago

[patent osprey]

poggers

[cinder nova]

He hasn't moved at all this week so I'm wondering what he's up to

[patent osprey]

what server :O?

[cinder nova]

No laughing

Promise you wont laugh

[patent osprey]

ragnaros

[cinder nova]

No

[lusty marsh]

I'm forever stuck in the mortal dilemma of do I revenge or ip

[ocean bloom]

moonguard?

[cinder nova]

Ye

[patent osprey]

only revenge

[lusty marsh]

My raid lead is pushing me to ip more. Claiming "healer stress" which might be valid idk

I don't heal

[cinder nova]

Compare your healing done to other warriors on the same fight

There is merit to not smoothbraining and going full mongo

Parse when your fight is farm-mode

[lusty marsh]

Yeah, that's what made me second guess. I was looking at m denny and wars push ip a lot

(We are progging h denny)

[coarse kestrel]

so I had like rank 20 in NF. I'm now 35 on venthyr. If I switch back to NF do I start at 1 or 20?

[cinder nova]

You should be going Bolster - Wall - and full-defensive until you guys farm it.

Took my group 2 or 3 kills before they stopped struggling.

Then I threw on ring and went nuts

[patent osprey]

is ring even the highest ST legendary?

[lusty marsh]

Plenty of extra targets in denathrius before p3.

[coarse kestrel]

If blood mallet is accurate it's second on single target

[blazing condor]

is there a break-off point where logs become "irrelevant" in terms of tank-role skill? Like, obviously the more DPS the better for any role but once you get DPS on cost of healing/defensives etc

just curious

or if its "best" to just aim for as much dps as poss in a fight even if it means more strain on healing

[cinder nova]

Most guilds don't look at tank parses for damage.

They look at execution.

In fact, most top guilds probably prefer not to get mouthbreathing parse simps because prog is more important.

[blazing condor]

definitely thats what i mean too

padding DPS players with more dps fucks the raid up more

[cinder nova]

If you have good damage and good execution, great.

But if you're all fluff and no substance, they can tell easily.

[wanton condor]

how do higher level guilds trawl for tanks? I'm but a midcore and it was generally "you can stay alive and not fall asleep until after raid? You're hired"

[blazing condor]

the hard part about getting recruited as a tank is actually finding a guild that needs one lmao

btw im a free agent if any of yall are hiring 👀

[wanton condor]

basically

I'm an ex-raid tank, I find that modern raids don't even have enough mechanics for 1 tank let alone two

[torpid moon]

taunt swaps are 90% of the mechanics

[unique cloak]

@cinder nova tried explaining this to someone a few days ago and got bombarded with insults, they then found my warrior and told me I was getting carried on M donny

lmfao

[sterile moss]

No no, there are really complex mechanics for tanks in CN. For example on Sludge, you have to make sure the other tank gets targeted by Hateful Gaze so that you can dps a bit more in the meantime..

[unique cloak]

some people just really love mongo dps parsing

on tank

[blazing condor]

is there even any strat to the hateful gaze?

i feel like its just random

[unique cloak]

closest to boss

gets picked

[sterile moss]

the closer one gets targeted

[blazing condor]

oo interesting

didnt know

and yeah im one of those dps mongos right now but only cus pugging HC is a face-roll

if i were to prog mythic i wouldnt do that shi

[signal plover]

It's nowhere near as black n white tho. You generally don't degen tank parse on m prog, but for rekills, especially on shit like mount farm, the gloves r off.

At the same time you're not doing anyone any favors gray parsing dmg on prog

(once there are enough kills for that number to be meaningful anyway)

[waxen cradle]

Would you guys say for the Sanguine Vintage trinket use on CD for best uptime or hold for high magic damage moments on a fight like Inerva Mythic ?

[signal plover]

I save it for bursty dam

Like when the other tank is running out the artificer boom

On inerva I basically slapped it on CD tho

[waxen cradle]

Yeah is what I was thinking also but on Mythic lately she has been shredding me with all that shadow damage

[signal plover]

Inerva is a great example of a fight where mongo spamming revenge actually has consequences

Since IP stronk there when not actively tanking(well strong while tanking too just less rage available for it then)

[waxen cradle]

What are you guys thoughts on AM over Bolster on that fight for more SW's ?

[signal plover]

Absolutely AM

[waxen cradle]

Ok cool was wondering there

My Vers is kind of low so that is making the fight tougher for me I think and since I am Prot and not been PvPing much as I have no dps weapon for arms I cant take advantage of that Vers

[signal plover]

Tbh I don't think having even high vers would make a huge difference

[chilly brook]

I felt like I still didnt IP all that much on inerva prog

The first few pulls yes

But once I got comfortable much less

[signal plover]

You don't rly have to

That's the thing with inerva

[waxen cradle]

at ~14% and get about 2% more from others with Stone Legion trink

[signal plover]

It's not THAT threatening

It's just like, a good example of a fight where IP feels more useful than just a rage dump

[waxen cradle]

Yeah I need to get out of the habit of wanting to mongo spam revenge when we taunt swap to push damage

[signal plover]

As always, just find that sweet spot

[waxen cradle]

I think thats my issue really where I could just spend into IP

[signal plover]

Lotta this depends on healers too.

[waxen cradle]

Yeah thats what I need to do

Never get nailed by the adds that spawn from the tank debuff unless we have everything stacked up and the dps are derping and dropping the pools in bad places, really I think I got nailed a couple times because I could not see the charge adds as the ones you have to kill were literally on top of them

Just got RNG fucked there to be fair, they spawned right as the circles fell and the adds where setting on top of the charge adds

was lame

[narrow karma]

Does anyone know the max ilvl of the command table is?

[snow tusk]

is there someone awake who would take a look at my logs from yesterday/today? first time tanking the first 4 bosses and i would like to know what i need to improve upon since i am new to tanking :/

[torpid hill]

maybe I missed something but it sounded like @chilly brook was saying IP isn't needed much for inerva, but you've mentioned it's both strong and also not needed?

what's the criteria on not using IP as much as possible while keeping SB up?

[chilly brook]

Highly dependent on your group and healers

[coarse kestrel]

whys best served cold better than booming voice for this dps build?

[lavish oracle]

It does more damage

[signal plover]

@torpid hill during prog IP used a lot (keeping SB up while actively on inerva or add), then as healers n raid got comfy with mechanics i used more revengerinos. The use case for IP remains the same, it's just that the opportunities for using revenge become more frequent as you learn the timing

if that makes any sense

[merry bane]

Whats up bois! So got a question for all of you. what would you say the best trinkets for high keys pushing are

[ocean bloom]

Cheat death and scale

[merry bane]

what is cheat death? and blood spattered scale?

[ocean bloom]

and yeah blood spattered scale

[lavish oracle]

Shard of Alar from kt

[tacit smelt]

WOOOOOOOOOOO! finally got ym scale..... from an 18 DoS

[ocean bloom]

but this is only for when even with perfect play

[lavish oracle]

Nice

[ocean bloom]

you will still die

[merry bane]

I mean no raid trinkets

all I have from raid is Skulkers wing and macbre

[chilly brook]

I mean if you dont have raid trinkets you're hurting your ability to push keys

[ocean bloom]

if you want to push really high keys id def farm for heart of alar

[lavish oracle]

Then scale + emitter

[ocean bloom]

and raid in general lol

[chilly brook]

^

[merry bane]

I have an emitter but no scale. I am using emitter and coalesced blood currently

[chilly brook]

Several of the BiS items are raid items tbh

[ocean bloom]

what keys are you doing atm?

[merry bane]

been trying 10s-12

[tacit smelt]

Yes please get the heart trinket, it is a literal life saver

[chilly brook]

What do you consider high keys?

[merry bane]

for now those lol. until I get used to them then higher than that

[ocean bloom]

then just wear what you have for now right now ytou are at a level where you can improve your play and get more than any trinket

[chilly brook]

Oh then lol just go ilvl

[lavish oracle]

I meeean, never ever equip bladedancer armor kit

[chilly brook]

You mean a 5m CD armor buff isn't good?

[merry bane]

I have a BDA at 184

[ocean bloom]

once you get around 215-220 ilvl you should be able to tank 15-18s pretty reliably with good play

[lavish oracle]

Vendor it, lol

[merry bane]

I have alot of 200s and a coupel 213 trinks

[chilly brook]

Disenchant it

It's literally basically worthless

[merry bane]

so right now I am using a 184 emitter and 200 coalesced. can swap them for a 197 cube and spike

spike is 200

[lavish oracle]

Spikes pretty good for keys

[merry bane]

so I can do 200 Coalesced and 200 spike

what are the best conduits? the same as icy veins?

I swapped from BT to FBV

[lavish oracle]

I use Unnerving Focus and Stalwart for endurance conduits

And piercing verdict for potency

[merry bane]

I have PV SG SoF and FBV

[lavish oracle]

Fueled by violence is not great

[merry bane]

the healing isnt worth it?

[lavish oracle]

It's incredibly undertuned

[merry bane]

so swap FBV for UF?

all of these are 200+

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, UF turns last stand into a biiig defensive button

I mean it already is

But even moreso

[merry bane]

it feels like that the trinkets dont proc enough when they say High chance

[cinder nova]

Also makes it offensive

I tend to use LS during execute phase with UF to feed rage for executes

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, can't underestimate the value of huge rage for revenge

lining up last stand with ravager also feels amazing with UF 😄

[cinder nova]

I agree, but I stopped using Rav in favor of ITF for almost all my content.

[balmy coral]

Why?

[cinder nova]

38% haste go brrrr

[lavish oracle]

Presumably they like it better

[astral crystal]

good feels on high haste

[cinder nova]

I don't have to dick around with worrying about shit leaving my Rav

And for raid ITF is better offensively anyway

I go Bolster ITF for SS resets because I run wall

In M+, that is

And with kite meta Rav feels kinda weird to throw out

[lavish oracle]

I like it when I'm kiting

good AoE threat for slow moving mobs

[cinder nova]

Threat shouldn't really be an issue

[lavish oracle]

Tell that to combust

[cinder nova]

I've never had an issue.

[lavish oracle]

Your fire mage isn't doing enough damage

[cinder nova]

I dunno man, opened 11K on Tyr armath

Didn't even flinch

[lavish oracle]

I mean, on ST, we're never gonna have threat issues

[astral crystal]

i think when your gear gets better threat isn't as bad of an issue

[lavish oracle]

but when I'm literally not hitting the mobs while I'm kiting

threat becomes a problem

[cinder nova]

That's why i always make sure I get a clap, venge,

Make sure I have dots rolling

Keep an eye on every bar to see if threat starts to stagger.

[lavish oracle]

That's more work and less damage than just like

throwing a ravager at them

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but you're sepccing for AOE threat instead of overall play. I tend to lean towards a more balanced playstyle because I look at talents in a "Where is this going to be relevant? How often is it going to be relevant?"

And ITF is relevant literally all the time.

If you gotta spec Rav for threat, by all mean - go for it.

But if I'm not having threat issues and pushing damage fine, not gonna fuck with it.

[lavish oracle]

There's a lot of reasons to spec ravager

It literally just does more damage in AoE

Like by all means, if higher haste feels better, and you're prioritizing ST damage, go for ITF in M+

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but at higher and higher keys your major concern is not getting instantly bodied by basically any one-shot of which there are many.

[lavish oracle]

What does that have to do with Ravager/ITF?

[cinder nova]

And ITF is gonna give you more mitigation leveraged towards that.

Because you have more SS resets and smoother rage.

Faster SW CD

[lavish oracle]

I don't know if I agree but you do you

[cinder nova]

Rage spikes are only relevant if you can do something meaningful with that rage, especially in situations where you're trying not to get dumped on your head.

That's why I'm not partial to Rav

[torpid hill]

it does, thank you

[lavish oracle]

You can literally always do something meaningful with that rage

[cinder nova]

If you're kiting you're probably not using it on Revenge

And it's a lot more rage than you'll ever need to cap IP

[lavish oracle]

If you're kiting, you're not generating rage from ITF either

[cinder nova]

So you're just burning it otherwise.

Yeah, that's the point I'm making - what's the use of all that rage if you're not actively tanking

[lavish oracle]

It's also 60 rage, you're not gonna cap from it

When you can safely go back in, you can just dump it

[narrow karma]

Can anyone please tell me the max ilvl the command table offers? I see 194 now but hoping it goes into 200 range!

[formal geyser]

Tanking is so ez

I’m a fury man and I tried tanking for the 1st time this week for m+ and I timed a 16 NW lol

Fury main*

[lavish oracle]

game is ez, is true

[formal geyser]

I’m just glad I don’t gotta pug shit tanks anymore I can just tank it myself lol

[mighty valley]

after trying some DPS alts I agree, tanking is honestly the least stressful

don't tell anyone though, everything thinks tanking is hard

[lavish oracle]

I dunno, I find DPS to be chill as hell

don't have to keep track of anything but myself

[wanton condor]

Yeah, dps is just watching parse bar go whoosh

[formal geyser]

U can be a shit DPS for not interrupting

[lavish oracle]

I mean...you should be interrupting on tank too

[formal geyser]

Umm

U can’t interrupt everything

[lavish oracle]

Well yeah

[formal geyser]

There r multiple mobs on a pull

[lavish oracle]

both jobs have to interrupt is my point

[formal geyser]

Yes but there r some DPS that don’t interrupt

And blame the tank

[lavish oracle]

Oh, sure

They are, as you point out, bad, though

That's like peak mad-cuz-bad

[mighty valley]

fury is pretty easy, but I find playing optimal on, like, fire mage to be harder than tanking

[lavish oracle]

At least when fire mage fucks up a combust they don't wipe the group 😄

[wanton condor]

gotta make your details track interrupt and get that bar HUGE

[pure sun]

Dumb question but does intervene work for sludge? thinkin of shield wall intervening my DH tank for mythic sludge, or rather how shit of an idea is it

[snow tusk]

why not make the dh play havoc, that way you can always eat those juicy eats alone 😛

[spice copper]

so im thinking of maining prot warrior. is there a generic weakaura people use for it? im new to wow so idk much about weakauras but want one that will do the job

[floral pewter]

I'm pretty sure it's 194, same as WQs

Calling chests can go to 203 though

or at least, I've never seen a mission table thing above 194 despite 219 ilvl

[lavish hare]

I like Titania’s, https://wago.io/H1n2AZq4Q
Tracks your Ignore pain and SB as a pro, pretty simple and accurate. And nice thing is it just launch on combat, pretty nice for me

[lavish hare]

^^^

[spice copper]

@lavish hare ok thanks man. much appreciated

[lavish hare]

Hope you like it, was the nicest for me.

[wanton condor]

Does the IP bar track duration or amount?

I've been using Luxthos and while there's some good the sb buff and general CDs are weak

[coarse kestrel]

so seismic feels great

[coarse kestrel]

easy enough to make an IP WA

for someone who knows how to make WA's anyway... I kind of suck at it and it takes me forever to figure out how to change things. The one I use is a graphical/# indicator looks like

and that's cause I find it harder to watch a bar underneath the character than to just see that graphic. I never added duration because I don't think it's ever been necessary to see duration

but this is coming from the same guy who runs this terrible excuse for a WA

to indicate shield block

[lavish hare]

Sorry for delay, was off. It tracks both, duration with color animation and amount with scalimg number

[toxic otter]

I find fire a lot more relaxed to play than tanking but otoh this is the first tier in 6 years I've actively tanked and I spent those intervening years playing mage

[opaque hazel]

Should we be excited about new legendary changes and it’s what we get as buff or depressed that they don’t buff class it self?

[sweet summit]

Yes and yes

[strong forum]

Yes

[potent anvil]

Started tanking some keys...prot kinda owns. Have to get into the big boy keys though

[dry spear]

what was your biggest key ?

and can i pick your brain about conduits/soulbind? u run with naja and burrs? or face your foes?

[potent anvil]

Uh, baby keys. Like 17-18 atm. Haven't tanked keys since first week of m+.

I run Korayn with Face your Foes

[dry spear]

alright. sounds good. just looked up your raider.io. thanks mate.

[strong forum]

Ye with gear it's 👌

[smoky wave]

“Baby keys" 😅

[rigid edge]

So Kyrian is still the way to go?

[jagged pier]

yep

[rigid edge]

Man it seems everyone is Kyrian haha

[jagged pier]

i mean in 9.0.5 you can which ever you want tbh

its preference choice between all 4

so just pick the cov u like best

[rigid edge]

Oh no, I know, anything interesting happening with 0.5?

[jagged pier]

necro buff brings it in line

so instead of choosing from 3

u can choose from 4

[rigid edge]

that's pretty good

[mental scarab]

But spear is so good🙏🏻

[jagged pier]

so i like all but banner tbf

[strong forum]

Idk I feel like everybody is going NF

I think I could probably yoink some good r1 logs with NF ngl

But im too lazy to switch

[snow tusk]

necrolord armor is always more important than any logs. that style ❤️

[strong forum]

CN mythic >> all other SL mog so far

[jagged pier]

tbf Nomes not wrong on the tmog front and being lazy front

[snow tusk]

i agree with leather, the raid armor looks fantastic. with plate my clear fav is necro

[shrewd steeple]

did anyone create a weak aura which informs if a spellreflect is possible and good?
I do know the spreadsheet but a WA woulb be great

[sweet summit]

The one marok made for bfa has been updated

Sec ill see if i can find it

https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker

[proud patrol]

Amazing, thank you! 🙂

[shrewd steeple]

NICE

yesterday i depleted an TOP 16 bc i didnt know to spellreflect the Reaping Scythe g

[void stump]

Is it a bug that signet doesnt work with ravager on prot warr?

[jagged pier]

nope

[void stump]

😦

[strong forum]

Our ravager doesn't replace bladestorm, thus it doesn't work for us.

Signet itself is coded to proc off of bladestorm, and since Arms Ravager replaces it, it works for them but not for us

[snow veldt]

What about arms and fury will it help us also reflecting some spells

[jagged pier]

yer of course

reduces damage

if its the right thing can do damage for u as well

if theres magical pulsing damage for somthing from a boss or a big burst take the 3rd boss in SD as an example

u have IP and SR up u only need to take like 1 or 2 orbs depending on level

you did used to be able to reflect the damage

bu blizz nerfed that one

[snow veldt]

aha ty

[tired cove]

any of my fellow nerdy prot warriors tank and do the kite on blood council ?

[ebon hound]

sadly, yes

[cinder nova]

There's a kite in Mythic?

[ebon hound]

idk why they havent deleted council yet tbh

If you kill Niklaus last there's a common strat to kite his add so you can kill it during dance when it just freezes

[cinder nova]

haha leap go brrr

[ebon hound]

weird fight, you have to spend 6 minutes to go through a gauntlet to kill 2 adds before you can attempt the boss

[astral crystal]

council is pretty terrible

but SLG is on a whole other level

i hate progging that fight

so much

[jagged pier]

8 mins

and 2 adds

[ebon hound]

[timber minnow]

?

[jagged pier]

?

[cerulean pebble]

You can reflect (well deflect) the dot that happens at the end of that ability from the 3rd boss in SD. Unless blizzard changed it recently

[jagged pier]

i know

[tribal gust]

!talent

!talents

[outer solstice]

tight decision ^^

[lavish hare]

Damn

[signal plover]

Eh I'd prolly do the 226

How's your haste

[outer solstice]

my haste is pretty good xD

sitting at static 28%

but yeah I know ...

the 226 is probably better 😦

[glacial skiff]

so i'm having a hard time deciding which conduits to run as prot. I feel the wowhead guide could be better since i'm seeing other prot warriors use unnerving focus etc

does that essentially make you unkillable during last stand?

and are soulbinds more valuable than conduits for prot war?

like for example built for war for draven, or should I rather go superior tactics for the additional endurance conduit?

[astral crystal]

it gives you a lot of rage gen so it's very valuable

[sweet summit]

Its like the dollar store version of lucid

[glacial skiff]

so in that case i'll probably want to run with something like this?

[sweet summit]

Idk what to say about draven. The last row ones are strong if you can reliably proc/keep the buffs

Its kinda up to you, idk how you play

[glacial skiff]

yeah, well hold your ground will be iffy in current meta

[sweet summit]

Yeah

[glacial skiff]

built for war could be doable, but i'll likely be pugging healers so lol

[sweet summit]

Ye that looks aight

Sup tacs has no defensive value tho

Im not suee what would be better, built for war or bv

[glacial skiff]

crit is parry so it has "some" lol but not great

[sweet summit]

Crit% is not parry

[glacial skiff]

OH you're right

[sweet summit]

Crit rating is parry

[glacial skiff]

its rating lmao

[sweet summit]

Yar

[glacial skiff]

dammit blizz nickel and diming us warrs

i need to send candy or beer to whoever designed prot war this expac and beg them to make it decent again lol

[sweet summit]

Lol yea

[glacial skiff]

VDH had their shine in legion, they don't deserve to be top tier again without warr next to them lmao

vdh weren't even bad in bfa, just everyone thought war was better

[strong forum]

[sweet summit]

Warr was better

But vdh was dumb strong in bfa too

[strong forum]

Vdh on zul

[sweet summit]

Just lacked some crucial utility spells warr had

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/licking-lips-yummy-hot-can-i-have-your-number-gif-5463010

That was vdh vs zul

[sweet summit]

And their damage was either bad, unreliable or spb

[strong forum]

Yeah vdh dmg was yikes without corruptions

[ionic fern]

Nice bot.

[strong forum]

Thank you! @ionic fern

[native mesa]

Does anyone know if fleeting frenzy potion stacks in twisting corridors? Ie can I use two on one boss?

[smoky wave]

Anecdotally I think you can. I think my wife did it once. I've never seen more than one. They're tradeable too

[glacial skiff]

lmao i just got abducted by the stygia abductors for once

[strong forum]

Doesn't he just drop you

[glacial skiff]

they teleport you back to your hearthstone location

[strong forum]

Oh lmao

[glacial skiff]

i really hope i didn't lose stygia lmao

[strong forum]

The big brain play is, not having any stygia to begin with

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[dry geyser]

new prot boi checking in. I see a few log of higher ranked warriors running the Seismic Reverberation leggo for M+. Is it competative to Thunderlord?

[blazing condor]

its just pure damage

so take it if you want to pump (and have the space to do so without dying)

The wall and thunderlord help defensively as well

which is good for us

[dry geyser]

I was just curious. I probably won't be pushing 20+ keys anytime soon. But I always like to check out what the guys at the top are doing

[uneven mason]

Its very competitive, Prot at baseline is insanely tanky and TL and TW Just accent our base kit by making those CDs available even more, Seismic helps address our only real weakness, which is DPS.

the 2 lego changes in 0.5 are going to shake things up

[dry geyser]

so for someone like me playing catch up, who is solely focused on M+. Craft Thunderlord?

[lofty widget]

i can recommend the wall, but its a personal choice, either one wont make or break it

[lavish hare]

For me, not a pro, the wall gives me more reliability, gives me more protection, feels safer 🙂

Shield Block, Scale, IP and Shield wall

😬

[signal plover]

Atm the play I'd recommend for any new prot is crafting wall and then stocking up on ash until 9.0.5 to see how shit shakes out with Reprisal and seismic

[sick sentinel]

I can't wait to see all the simps going banner specc

[astral crystal]

feels bad man

[uneven mason]

TW is honestly stronger in both

[uneven mason]

TFW I get told that I should do it because the mastery helps my DPS.
Niya and Pelagos give us just as much mastery, more often personally

[lucid gyro]

And here I am with my infallible strategem jumping all over the place...

[uneven mason]

Must run with 3 MM hunters for chain MDs

[sick sentinel]

I mean I think it's only gonna be worth running necrolord inr aid

to literally simp for warlocks or boomies

[astral crystal]

that feel

RL already talking about going double prot

[sick sentinel]

really?

[astral crystal]

i kinda wanted to play my guardian next tier

but prot too fun anyway

[sweet summit]

Bruh moment

[uneven mason]

I brought up swapping to another tank

and my healers threatened to go on strike

[sick sentinel]

What guild do you play in atticus? just wondered

lol

[tiny remnant]

Hey guys, quick question about legendaries for Protection. Am I correct in assuming that The Wall Legendary is the best to choose for raiding but is also good for M+, whereas Thunderlord is better in AOE and therefore M+ situations? Cheers!