Yo how the fuck does this actually work. Whenever I click, nothing happen
#protection
signal plover
lavish oracle
I literally just watched Tettles walk away from it, haha
smoky wave
You can walk, but wheres the style there?
lavish oracle
I think you have to be max melee range
smoky wave
Yo how the fuck does this actually work. Whenever I click, nothing happen
Check your summon steward button when you've done it
lavish oracle
The most important raid buff
swift mesa
sturdy lynx
The first time I saw that you're the best kyrian buff , I thought it was a new dungeon mechanic , that you could tell people they were awesome. Kept looking for that for ages before I realized it was an covenant thing. Man I want to tell people they great
lavish oracle
Go Kyrian, ez 👏
balmy coral
So I am Fury MS (Venthyr) and started to tank. I really enjoy the fact that I'm not super squishy like my paladin. I have noticed that our damage is literally half what my paladin does.
How good is necro looking in 9.0.5? I'd be happy to change as it seems decent (no BIS) for all warrior specs.
uneven mason
So I am Fury MS (Venthyr) and started to tank. I really enjoy the fact that I'm ...
its ok, weaker for arms than fury/prot.
gives you a boatload of str tho
signal plover
Looking like maybe we have many more drama simps in 9.0.5
uneven mason
so might be good for ST
uneven mason
Looking like maybe we have many more drama simps in 9.0.5
Draka simps
balmy coral
Well I play Fury mostly. Anyone else notice that pally tanks get trucked? I felt super strong on my warrior despite her only being 202 vs 207.
sweet summit
they're a bit worse defensively than other tanks yeah
timber lagoon
Yeah, can face tank a lot of physical stuff others can't
uneven mason
Paladins make up for squish by being big deepus
sweet summit
and too much utility
signal plover
Draka simps
Yeah that
mossy sluice
slh better than anima field emitter?
wanton egret
Seeing haste is so valuable on warrior prot
I was having my doubts
Dunno how much proc anima field
sweet summit
3 rppm
mossy sluice
its pretty good
i'd go trinket over the ring
its like 22 secondaries 13 stam vs a one of trinket
sweet summit
idk the ring is a 13 ilvl upgrade and he has good trinkets already. id take ring personally
mossy sluice
Yeah i don't think there is a right or wrong but there are quite a few rings that you can get from the vault and only one anima emitter. If you get better ring options from the vault in the coming weeks before you see the emitter again you're gonna be kicking yourself
uneven mason
The Anima emitter has one horrible flaw
its a pool
it goes off often enough sure, but the trinkets they have are probably better in nearly all situations
mossy sluice
i used a 171 for a long time and replaced it with a 220 slh, i'd go back to the emitter if i had an appropriate ilvl version
uneven mason
see IDK I don't supervalue haste, specially since the opportunities that I can stand in it to make full use of the proc are slim in both raid and M+
visual drift
How good is the Trinket? it have stamina but no str and cloak have no haste on it but much more ilvl :/
i tend to cloak
silent fog
meh trinket
visual drift
i thought soo :/
lofty widget
you have really good trinkets, i'd take the cloak
mossy sluice
emitter has 40% uptime of 295 haste in a perfect world. averages out to like 118 haste permanently. if you take haste:vers to be 1:1 you would need to be in the pool about 75% of the time its up for it to be equal to SLH. I didn't really find the pools to be that out in africa to not utilize
visual drift
Okay taking the cloak
astral crystal
Dunno how much proc anima field
it's almost literally always up
visual drift
Thank you
warped mulch
Do you find anima field to be an issue on movement heavy fights like sludge or sire?
regal yacht
Do these legendary buffs have any chance in unseat our top 2 we use?
And are you banking soul ash in anticipation?
mossy sluice
reprisal looks sick
strong rampart
what slot would you make seismic in?
wanton condor
I made it head
strong forum
What are the available slots
strong rampart
head and shoulder I think
wanton condor
I did head jic we eventually get 2 leggo, although I'm fairly bearish on the possibility
strong rampart
lol
mossy sluice
yeah denathrius drops a helm tho
mossy sluice
lol
strong rampart
reprisal would be legs then
strong forum
Yeah legs have huge stat budget
strong rampart
may as well plan out soul ash lol
strong forum
Sitting on 3.6k rn
strong rampart
nice
uneven mason
Sitting on 3.6k rn
☝️
if they gut reprisal before it goes lives gonna feel bad hitting that 8k mark
strong forum
I'll just craft seismic before capping
uneven mason
I still feel like Seismic isn't going far enough
or maybe its BSC that doesn't go far enough.
patent osprey
Seismic is def already pumping ^.^ can't wait for the changes
wanton condor
seismic super fun when you outgear the content a bit
bold linden
Hi guys, could you help me choosing plz? im only tanking m+.... is that trinket any good ?
mossy sluice
emitter is good
strong forum
Emitter is bis
lavish oracle
The problem I always have with crafting leggos based on nathria itemizations is that you're gonna be stuck with them well past nathria anyways
bold linden
thanks! shouldi switch my hymnal or the scale for it ?
mossy sluice
hymnal
strong forum
Hymnal, lmao
Bloodscale is also bis
Emitter+scale is legit bis m+ combo
Hymnal is good for raid
bold linden
ok thanks a lot! wasn't sure if the bis list on icy-veins guide is legit for m+ tanking. i thought its only for raid
visual drift
Emitter isn't that good with the kite meta as tank imo. Otherwise i like it to use if you don't have to move much
bold linden
Hymnal is good for raid
well okay my bad i always equipped it for m+
strong forum
Emitter isn't that good with the kite meta as tank imo. Otherwise i like it to u...
Idk how much you kite, I have 33%+ uptime in m+ on it
But then again, I haven't done m+ in 2 weeks
lavish oracle
I mean, it procs a lot
Unless you're running nonstop youre gonna have solid uptime
And if you are running nonstop, you're probably doing something wrong
strong forum
And when you're kiting you're not doing fuckall anyway, so other trinkets would be just as useless
bold linden
that's true...
strong forum
Besides TC and chucking heroic throw
bold linden
thanks for your help! I'm really looking forward running some m+ tomorrow
haughty sleet
any venthyr tanks deep into mythic in here
gloomy marsh
so I just got told our MT is quitting and have been asked to swap to prot, been looking over the wowhead and icyveins guide and there's not a whole lot written about mitigation uptime strategy, outside of specific burst windows it seems to me like the play is to use demo shout, shield wall, shield block on rotation such that only one is active at any given time and then use ignore pain to fill in the gaps there while waiting for something to come off CD
is this accurate or am I totally off base?
strong forum
Demo shout on CD
Avatar on CD
SB when you're tanking or you know you will get both charges back before you need to tank to use it as 30% SS dmg increase
SW / LS to cover gaps of mitigation
If you're playing bolster and you're actively tanking for 30sec+ use LS and SB at the same time to get CDs rolling
Know what's blockable and what isn't
Ignore pain is dmg smoother and rage dump, avoid rage capping
Revenge is offensive rage spender and big part of our dmg kit
TC and SS on CD to maximise rage gain
That's about it
I used to have a crash course copy pasta of bfa that's roughly the same 
gloomy marsh
ok that's a lot of good info, thank you! I assume demo shout on CD is because of rage generation via booming voice?
strong forum
Should make a new one
strong forum
ok that's a lot of good info, thank you! I assume demo shout on CD is because of...
Yeah pretty much
Maximising rage gain is our ultimate goal
balmy coral
Is Best Served Cold going to be our go to in 9.0.5 with the new legendary for Mythic+?
strong forum
Potentially
gloomy marsh
ok last question, it's about ignore pain max absorb, is it 1.3 of the tooltip amount or 2.0 of the tooltip amount? I've seen both numbers tossed around
gloomy marsh
roger, thanks so much!
strong forum
Is Best Served Cold going to be our go to in 9.0.5 with the new legendary for My...
If you plan on using seismic reverb BSC is absolutely the talent you wanna play, for reprisal, needs testing / sims
But the thought had crossed my mind aswell of running it with reprisal
balmy coral
I feel like Running double time, BSC, CT, Indom,. ItF and AM would be ideal with repisal.
mossy sluice
feel like storm bolt is still gonna be better in m+ than dt
uneven mason
But the thought had crossed my mind aswell of running it with reprisal
We won't need the rage gain from BV in theory
Stormbolt always for m+
Think of stormbolt as a flexible mitigation
whatever the dmg of the cast you just stopped is!
median tulip
I feel like Running double time, BSC, CT, Indom,. ItF and AM would be ideal with...
I was thinking Bounding Stride would be better with nuReprisal, for greater frequency of Leap Out > Charge Back
mossy sluice
its arguably better now
uneven mason
Bounding stride is on a diff tier?
mossy sluice
bounding stride over ct
strong forum
Never played CT anyway
uneven mason
CT was never a good choice
if the mobs are outside of your revenge range, TC isn't going to hold them offa chad boomkinboy
TC is literally an auto attacks worth of damage every 6~seconds?
median tulip
Row 4 is generally a pretty poor talent tier; anyone tried Menace?
strong forum
Bounding stride for life
uneven mason
The knockback if placed correctly can be good
balmy coral
Doesn't it do the same damage as revenge?
strong forum
Less
uneven mason
but I prefer bounding for LOS shenanigans
strong forum
I just can't stand being a wheelchair
uneven mason
Doesn't it do the same damage as revenge?
like 1/3
strong forum
So I play bounding
It's more like 60ish% I think
Even with sof it hits weaker than Revenge I think
balmy coral
They should make revenge generate rage no use rage
strong forum
They should just buff TC by 100-150%
mossy sluice
^
strong forum
It's laughably weak
balmy coral
The problem is, we do such shit damage, we often pass up revenge due to the rage cost
strong forum
Na i often pass up TC because it does so little
strong forum
Moreso than Revenge
uneven mason
or IP
strong forum
Yeah
strong forum
Pump > no pump
balmy coral
Do you spam revenge over active mitigation?
mossy sluice
yeah during lust my rotation devolves into slam --> revenge --> slam tbh
uneven mason
literally afk our armor with vanguard is like a bear with 1 stack IF
strong forum
SB is active mit
Revenge is damage
IP is weak
TC is weak
So you spam revenge like a MF during ravager
strong forum
Ez 10k dps
uneven mason
ey Nom
haughty sleet
i barely use tc these days
balmy coral
So you basically just SB, Demo shout and spam revenge and SS on CD?
uneven mason
So you basically just SB, Demo shout and spam revenge and SS on CD?
You struck gold
median tulip
TC is for snap aggro on something you aren't directly targeting; it has its uses, and CT's range increase does help with that. But it's not terribly impressive as it currently stands. It's only really a discussion because BS and Menace are also pretty lacklustre
haughty sleet
barely use tc on bosses these days i should say
jagged pier
They should just buff TC by 100-150%
100 x 0 is still 0 tho
balmy coral
I noticed that I take FAR less damage than my prot paladin
jagged pier
u will
balmy coral
So unlike my pally who spams SotR to avoid dying, prot warriors just take less damage due to more armor
jagged pier
u passively have more armour than a prot paly with SOTR up
balmy coral
So for Mythic+, devstator, SB, BSC, BVounding, Indom, ItF then either AM or Bolster?
Demo shout for now, but next patch probably not
err boominbg voice*
jagged pier
deva/what u want/BV/what u want/Indom/rav/bolster
balmy coral
Why Rav over ITF?
near gazelle
Rav opener is super strong
uneven mason
Its snap
near gazelle
every pack, ez agro snap and rage
uneven mason
Like, people who complain about warrior DPS
strong forum
ravager is more dmg and rage in m+
uneven mason
and then they're running around dungeons using ITF CT UF
strong forum
ITF is only more damage in ST
balmy coral
Does anyone use AM over Bolster?
jagged pier
in low keys yer
strong forum
in raid and low keys sure
uneven mason
Like AM up to +15 isn't going to make or break you
jagged pier
if im pushing keys or doing fights like mythic council i will use bolster all the time
balmy coral
I am hoping to get into 15's soon
uneven mason
if you do screwy big keys tho
or large pulls
bolster is amazing
but more avatars for more DPS
jagged pier
4.6k in mists 16 without AM as i can just LS and spamm revenge
on big pulls
great fun
jagged pier
and the extra rage gen from conduit
balmy coral
Too bad I am venthyr atm
uneven mason
also, with the LS conduit
balmy coral
lol
uneven mason
so, 400 mastery is what % boost to attack?
balmy coral
Got 16 keybinds already
balmy coral
No room for keybinds
uneven mason
Execute/Condemn is my shift modifier on my revenge key
jagged pier
how?
balmy coral
I only have room for 16 keybinds atm
balmy coral
I use modifiers.
uneven mason
We're not Elemental shaman bro, how you have 16 keybinds?
balmy coral
Just the way my setup is
uneven mason
and thats using mods
jagged pier
then how like i have 30 to play prot warrior what they fuk have u given up
balmy coral
Mouse buttons
Anyway, demo shout, shockwave, avatar, SW, LS, Raevenger, SS, Rev, SB, TC, IP, Spell reflect, Charge, Leap, Pummel and Heroic throw
final axle
I dont even press the keys on keyboard for abilities except Q R X and shift
jagged pier
even with mouse buttons u can have shift alt and contol for all of them
final axle
Rest is bound to mmo mouse
balmy coral
I have to use a special mouse due to carpel tunnel and with it in both hands I can only reach so far on my keyboard
uneven mason
are you utilizing mousewheel down?
final axle
Blame the unpruning!
balmy coral
I can reach 1-4, so I use mouse+1-4, scroll+1-4 and ion some cases I can hit alt+1-4
jagged pier
I mean the only thing that got unpruned what challenging shout and shattering for us tho
uneven mason
so hold down shift
balmy coral
Yes mouse scroll up and down
I can't reach shift
Hurts my hand
I can hit left alt with my thumb
Carpel tunnel is a bitch
final axle
Need like a gamepad or something
balmy coral
Main reason why I don't play resto shaman only ele
Then I would have to take my hand away from WASD 😦
solemn magnet
Have you considered using e, s, d, f for movement? You get q, w, a keybinds
Don't @me
balmy coral
Yes, it felt too clunky after 3 weeks I kept missing stuff and can't be doing that in Mythic+ or heroic raids.
That's the issue with using the same binds for 16 years
Even though I don't really use A & D outside of questing/running
final axle
So uh... this guy in my guild plays balance druid with an Xbox controller. He parses well enough with it. I have no clue how that works or if you can tank like that... or if thats any better for carpal tunnel
hardy radish
tbh it's really nice in FFXIV to play with a gamepad
some of the best players I know just use ps4 controllers
solemn magnet
Xbox controller has waayyyy more than 16 binds
hardy radish
wish something like that could work but this game is so bloated with abilities
final axle
I wish I had the screenshot but I'm at work. It seemed like he had more than 16
solemn magnet
There are 32 just from the dpad and other thumb buttons using triggers as modifiers
uneven mason
wish something like that could work but this game is so bloated with abilities
I mean, dude just got KSM using a gamepad, so....think it can.
hardy radish
what a chad
uneven mason
limpid pawn
hey anyone have a high keys discord info
dusty mason
Hows gluttonous spike for prot?
lavish oracle
It's okay in AoE
regal yacht
Is "the wall" better at ST dps than "thunderlod" lego
patent sigil
So is there any way to get a pawn string for survivability ?
modern brook
So is there any way to get a pawn string for survivability ?
Dont use pawn for anything
Ilvl for surv is a good baseline
patent sigil
Ok so just keep in mind Haste / Vers
wild hemlock
We're not Elemental shaman bro, how you have 16 keybinds?
ele main can confirm
modern brook
Ilvl >>>>>>>>>>>everything
patent sigil
I get that
modern brook
You get gearing then :)
patent sigil
Sounds good then lOl
regal yacht
Is "the wall" better at ST dps than "thunderlod" lego?
patent sigil
@modern brook Thanks i thought maybe at higher ilvl there was a difference
modern brook
When ur comparing equal ilvl shit and jewel you can consider your 2ndaries more
Haste over verse is another good baseline in that situation
signal plover
Is "the wall" better at ST dps than "thunderlod" lego?
Yeh
TL is dogshit in ST
For surv and dam
little rune
hello, does anyone know tips and tricks on how to efficiently position HC denathrius so the adds are as stacked as possible
modern brook
P1?
Just hold him in the corners
I'm fairly certain any boss guide video at this point shows the strat
little rune
right, but it still seems their spawn position are still very far away, i was wondering if there is a way to have them more stacked even
sweet kayak
Lets say you are Venthyr, and made a macro that makes you switch to two handed weapon when you press execute, and put the shield back when you use SS, will that work somehow?
astral crystal
right, but it still seems their spawn position are still very far away, i was wo...
the corner strat is as tight as it gets im pretty sure
sweet summit
Lets say you are Venthyr, and made a macro that makes you switch to two handed w...
swapping weapon triggers a gcd
so no
sweet kayak
Ahh okay, thanks!
uneven mason
Weapon swap GCD has been around since vanilla iirc
the days of rogue and warrior weapon swaps because poisons and crusader procs
sweet kayak
Good to know, thanks!
uneven mason
Crusader procs used to be individually sourced to the weapon
was great getting 4 or 5 up
nova prism
as a prot wari who wants to do m+ up to 15 can i safely choose venthyr or is it a really bad choice?
sweet summit
you can safely pick venthyr 
sweet summit
tru tru
modern brook
Go kyrian to pipe kleia
livid gyro
So are we hype for Necrolord 9.0.5 or nah
modern brook
Nah
modern brook
Smh u wouldn't understand. The hottest soulbind u got is the crimson chin
sweet summit
hottest soulbind we have is draven tbh
sick sentinel
the fucking crimson chin LMFAO
modern brook
sweet summit
sick sentinel
😂
uneven mason
So are we hype for Necrolord 9.0.5 or nah
"I CAN BUFF THE PEOPLE IN THE RAID WHILE STILL DOING SUBSTANDARD DPS MYSELF - SIGN ME UP!"
I was seriously considering swapping until they nerfed Fleshcraft right after making it better than licking sandpaper.
deep steppe
"I CAN BUFF THE PEOPLE IN THE RAID WHILE STILL DOING SUBSTANDARD DPS MYSELF - SI...
Necro is gonna be simp city 
deep steppe
just throw a trashcan alt over there like i did
amber herald
whats cd on fleshcraft?
uneven mason
2min
ebon hound
2m
uneven mason
its a 20% DR during channel, 40% absorb
and you pickup random buffs in dungeons
by killing stuff.
wide agate
Hi guys i have a question. what do you think is the best trinket for raid among those three
uneven mason
SLH and Scale
sick sentinel
sim it
uneven mason
guessing he's asking survivabiliyt
deep steppe
SLH and Scale
you like scale more than spike in raid?
uneven mason
I like scale in almost all situations more than spike
deep steppe
I just, knowing scale...SCALES 
sorry
feels bad using it on just a boss
idk
maybe its just me
uneven mason
at least you can control scale
spike is just like "OH I think you need my 2.7HPS, RIGHT NOW AT FULL HP AND NOT TANKING"
wide agate
okay so it depends i understand
uneven mason
Also anyting that gives me an absorb
wide agate
But SLH is best
wide agate
and i can try those two
deep steppe
just make sure if you have other people with SLH
you're in the same group
in raid
get that vers rollin
strong forum
I'd use spike + heraldry in raid
wide agate
yeah i have 4 other people in group with SLH
strong forum
Heraldry and scale in m+
If the key is above 18
If below 18, use heraldry and spike
Moar dam
deep steppe
ornate peak
i got a 226 bladedancer in my vault, should i replace that with my 184 scale or?
ornate peak
yeah i thought so too :/
strong forum
Spam some DoS to get a better scale tho
deep steppe
^
strong forum
184 is big yike
strong forum
Pally healers
dark lark
I straight up use Skulker's in raid for the ST deepz
deep steppe
I got my KSM exclusively with my paly healer friend 
ornate peak
yeah i should farm dos
strong forum
Pally is the best healer in the game if he's good and geared like a motherfucker
But a bad pally or undergeard? That's a horror story
strong forum
The story of healer meta is quite interesting in this tier tbh
Everybody sucked off shaman early on
When nobody had proper gear
uneven mason
Pally is the best healer in the game if he's good and geared like a motherfucker
This is true, I prefer to run M+ with the main HPal we have in guild, I never seem to even get close to dying, some pugs Paladins I've had though, I'm popping HPots like pez and screaming
strong forum
Now it's full on shifted back to pally now that they're maxed the fuck out and see how much dmg it still has
strong forum
Whenever my rsham bro got his hpal boosted in m +
Bro
I hated every second of it
I was legit tanking without a healer
uneven mason
hah
strong forum
Outside of wings I would just hold on to dear life
uneven mason
Rshm is stronk too
livid gyro
Why not just boost him as a dps
strong forum
190 ilvl hpal in a +11 NW
uneven mason
I'm convinced I had a Rshm heal me with 1 cast from 15% to full
livid gyro
And have him set his loot spec to holy
strong forum
Cringe
deep steppe
190 ilvl hpal in a +11 NW
uneven mason
190 ilvl hpal in a +11 NW
my bung just puckered a bit
strong forum
Pre-nerf
uneven mason
thats seat clenching time
deep steppe
you just hate your life huh nom?
uneven mason
whats wrong wit u
deep steppe
dark lark
One of our rdruids from nyalotha switched to hpal this tier; the kicker is that she was one of the rdruids who didn't pre-hot and only spammed regrowth
surprise surprise: when she switched to hpal she only spammed flash
and was benched quickly in favor of our officer's alt
deep steppe
One of our rdruids from nyalotha switched to hpal this tier; the kicker is that ...
we had ours go hunter 
dark lark
catJAM
strong forum
Yeah, I idk
dark lark
LOL
strong forum
Was only 16min overtime tho
dark lark
wait the other dps are carries too, what key level was this
uneven mason
surprise surprise: when she switched to hpal she only spammed flash
getting ready for TBC Classic
strong forum
The boomy came back after 1.5year break
amber herald
don't hpal struggle with pride damage?
chilly brook
The dh is bad at the game
Tons of bad tanks
chilly brook
And tanking feeling like ass doesnt help
uneven mason
Depends on the affixes
chilly brook
Bro I forgot how shit tanks are
I saw this statement
uneven mason
But I get what you mean Griff
strong forum
I did more damage than the dh and boomkin
chilly brook
I assumed
uneven mason
on HC Sire
livid gyro
I did more damage than the dh and boomkin
Jesus
strong forum
This was a pepega key my guy
deep steppe
don't hpal struggle with pride damage?
I didnt have any problems with mine, but i've only done up through 16's so
uneven mason
There are times where I'm just not getting any healer love, and over like, 30seconds I'm dropping and literally nothing I can do about it.
livid gyro
It just hurts me physically to read those words
dark lark
don't hpal struggle with pride damage?
just ashen hallow 4Head
blazing condor
im starting to believe trinkets and shields dont exist in my copy of shadowlands
strong forum
I got a nice stygia vault
chilly brook
Max Pain you say?
strong forum
Yup
amber herald
wonder if guardian/hpal giga-pulls are going to become a thing soon
it was in the mdi
uneven mason
Isn't it already?
strong forum
Na hpal doesnt have PI
dark lark
you're thinking the beta keystone masters
strong forum
:)
amber herald
idk I'm bad
dark lark
veng disc fire is life
strong forum
If disc didn't have power infusion, they wouldn't be mdi healer
uneven mason
Yup
strong forum
Isnt that a fun reason
uneven mason
"Welcome to the meta, everything revolves around buffing fire mages, carry on"
strong forum
mellow patio
I would play meta
strong forum
mellow patio
But fire mages are nerds
uneven mason
imagine leaving AE abilities uncapped and spammable might be a problem
dark lark
Twitter
mellow patio
No fun allowed bro
chilly brook
Kekw that tweet
strong forum
It's true
dry spear
so versa is > crit right?
trim bay
i have seen some warriors running into the fray. is this mainly for raid?
dry spear
left or right. i would say left. but mastery is not good?!
patent osprey
i have seen some warriors running into the fray. is this mainly for raid?
yes
amber herald
left is better
hardy radish
what's a good build for just going ape shit in a heroic dungeon
bout to get me some augment runes
spice yacht
i like ravanger and anger managment for spamming heroics
everything else the same
with thundarlords
patent osprey
what's a good build for just going ape shit in a heroic dungeon
Seisimic reverb + Best Served Cold + Anger management. Highest tank dam ever 🙂
hardy radish
ahh man I just spent a bunch of soul ash upgrading signet for offspec lol
i should go ahead and build that one to play around with after the buffs hit
alpine mantle
So I am almost 60, is it best to still choose kyrian even though maldrax is gonna get a buff soon?
I apologize if this has been answered a million times
dark lark
@hardy radish you would never use that leggo in actual difficult content though, seems like a waste of soul ash/gold for the base piece
lavish oracle
@alpine mantle pick whichever covenant you like, unless you're doing like world first level content, your covenant choice won't hold you back. That said, I would pick Kyrian for now and after 9.0.5 comes out, if you feel like you need to swap to necro, swapping isn't that bad
I'm also of the opinion that Necro is not going to be that good for 99% of the player base
alpine mantle
Yeah I main a brewmaster and made the switch from nf to kyrian
Thank you. I was just hoping to try something other than kyrian lol
lavish oracle
Night Fae is also very good for us
alpine mantle
Thanks again!
lunar perch
Is it worth swapping a 184 scale for a 226 quantum device?
gentle notch
Can I just macro Execute to Shield Slam and save a hotkey while being lazy?
rotund parcel
necro is what my raids boomkins are going to demand i swap to
if they make me change im going to drop banner 30s before i pull bosses
just to spite them
cinder nova
The sheet says it ain'.
aYYYY
Got a 220 SLH
Pretty sure that's better than a 213 spike
plush moat
Wish i would get any shield tokens 😦 even no luck in the vault still have a 207 shield... ugh
limpid pawn
what are bis raid trinkets?
lavish oracle
Like from the raid or in the raid?
mystic umbra
question about legendaries: is Unbreakable Will going to be better than The Wall in 9.0.5?
coarse kestrel
no
wont see much use, unbreakable will only grants the buff to your party and the charges don't recharge independently. You get 2 charges, with a 4 min recharge, or you get 1min down time on shield wall with the wall and AM
mystic umbra
ah that is useful info. i thought it will recharge independently... 😦
mystic umbra
you can use am with unbreakable will too
true but isnt it more effective with The Wall combined with AM? I only considered Unbreakable Will because i thought the recharge are independent.. it's hard to manage that if you have 4 min downtime on SW
deft sapphire
well in terms of total uptime of course it'll be much worse
but you have more freedom about when to use sw, and will almost always have a shield wall cooling down, to benefit from am
sometimes with the wall you will still have to hold sw for something and not benefit from am
my point was you shouldn't compare legendary vs legendary + talent (and conduit he was probably thinking about too)
sage cairn
hey how good is relic of the first ones for tanking
solemn magnet
what are bis raid trinkets?
Scale / emitter iirc
coarse kestrel
without AM, I'd still take the wall over it
and with AM, the wall benefits more than unbreakable
because the wall provides increased rage gen, more rage = more rage spent = more AM benefit
wanton condor
It might be useful in a future content where you run AM and really need the party wides, or even "helping the other tank wides"
coarse kestrel
well I'd never go as far as to say it's useless, but right now it seems safe to bet that it won't replace the wall as the go to raid legendary
shell hare
Did a 14 today and I don’t normally tank. My pulls were moderate and I can def push for bigger pulls, but I’m curious how much overall dmg do you guys do
placid oar
It depends on dungeons for me, but i usually pull around 2.5k to 3k as a Kyrian tank. Still looking at ways to improve on my damage since i pug and usually focus abit more on surviving.
My pulls are moderate as well with some occasional big pulls like in the Ardenweld Zone of DOS; After a pride at the start of the zone, i will pull a big pack and use the urn. Apart from that, i just do a safe pull which is usually just a single pack.
But that is cos i mostly pug
lets see what others say or experience
vague jetty
I just did a dos and did like 3.3. It feels so bad playing prot in keys compared to last season. That’s okay though
potent anvil
Seismic reverb owns
waxen cradle
That is all from the leggo buff ?
potent anvil
Yeah
waxen cradle
@_@
potent anvil
Literally just spamming revenge, please heal me 😎
waxen cradle
I'm a fan of that leggo now
potent anvil
Albeit, it's only a 17 halls and non-fortified. But I'm usually a degenerate dps as a tank anyway
vague jetty
That sadly doesn’t tell me much
potent anvil
Mostly the damage breakdown if you try to maximize the leggo. I ended with like 4.7k overall, but we were going pretty fast and it was a lowish key.
cinder nova
They buffed it?
cinder nova
Wait - does it still have the 3 target requisite?
potent anvil
Yeah
cinder nova
Ah fuck
Yeah that feels like an M+ leggo
Not gonna dump ash on a leggo that only works on cleave fights
waxen cradle
Yeah adding that leggo to my craft/upgrade leggo list if it goes live that way
along with Reprisal but that one is already gonna be done asap
potent anvil
Yeah, I dont really push as prot...but I'm just eyeing reprisal and seismic reverb for keys.
waxen cradle
I mean at this point I am setting at like ~5k ash with my TLord and Wall leggo rank 4 so eh might as well use it on something
potent anvil
Yeah
waxen cradle
I mean for raid UWill is on my list of "eventually" craft me and upgrade, but until we can wear 2 leggos I am not concerned with giving it much attention
Would also be sweet if we got a buff for Signet for Prot, but if that happened it would almost certainly push Seismic out so I get it
oblique garnet
@potent anvil Protwind 📈
potent anvil
oblique garnet
Wish my warrior wasnt abandoned completely 😦
cinder nova
So, Gluttonous Spike is simming higher at the same ilvl as Macabre Sheet Music, but something tells me it's simming as if I was at full HP.
vestal moat
It's finally done fam.
cinder nova
Spike or Sheet, you think?
vestal moat
someone said sire might be easier?
sweet summit
Ya i think so
sweet summit
Spike or Sheet, you think?
Sheet is kinda aids to use, id take spike 🐒
lavish oracle
Albeit, it's only a 17 halls and non-fortified. But I'm usually a degenerate dps...
Have you tried BSC + Reprisal and how it compares?
I'm interested to see how good it is but I can't convince anyone to play PTR with me, haha
cinder nova
Sheet is kinda aids to use, id take spike 🐒
What I'm gonna do. It's hard to find all of them with the boss and adds in the way
sweet summit
Ye
potent anvil
Have you tried BSC + Reprisal and how it compares?
I haven't. Seems like it could be decent for damage, but not having that on demand rage from booming voice seems scary in the opener of a big pull.
oblique garnet
someone said sire might be easier?
Sire is infinitely easier fight
potent anvil
Yeah I imagine ptr. But reprisal would give 40 rage on charge? Unless they changed the tooltip and I missed it.
oblique garnet
The design of the fight is good and it constantly keeps a good rhythm so its easier to learn aswell
potent anvil
Yeah, spent like 3 nights of prog and already seeing p3. 31% best pull, so it's mostly learning the movement in p3 and then just burn. I think.
lavish oracle
Yeah, it's 40 rage on charge from reprisal
combine that with an intervene and I can't imagine having rage issues on the pull
plus you're getting 2 free blocks
So that's netting you 40 rage right there
mossy peak
thought it was 30, 40 is even sillier
oblique garnet
Yeah, spent like 3 nights of prog and already seeing p3. 31% best pull, so it's ...
Pretty much as long as you get soaks done properly fight is pretty free
potent anvil
I dunno if reprisal will be the end all be all for m+. It's strong, but you don't need really high block uptime I think. Not sure though, I'll be tanking more to get a feel.
mossy peak
i think it's less about uptime and more just
you start every pull with block, snap threat, and rage to do w/e
no matter what
potent anvil
I just like the idea of just doing more damage, whichever allows me to do that lol
lavish oracle
It seems like it's just more of everything you'd want in M+, tbh
higher block uptime means you can swap to AM, too
which is a sizeable damage boost
oblique garnet
The uptime with AM was 90%~ with the change iirc
potent anvil
Yeah. I mean I haven't tanked a lot of keys since the first week of m+, so I'll be going back into it and just knowing what actually hurts.
oblique garnet
Thats also assuming using charge and intervene on cd basically
stoic igloo
is beating abomination core a meme
stoic igloo
I got a 194 from mission table, probably good to replace my shit darkmon deck
sweet summit
Indom deck?
stoic igloo
aye
sweet summit
Aye
stoic igloo
I only have that, the abom core, and m0 hakkar
sweet summit
Anything is better than that
stoic igloo
even decanter 😓
sweet summit
The only good thing about indom deck is that its a cheap ilvl 200 trinket :)
young oasis
Which one to use? Goal is to be monster DPS raid tank 
and to survive while I do it ofc
sweet summit
Sim it in that case
The socket will most likely win tho, so keep venari in mind
young oasis
ok, ty
lavish oracle
I'd guess the high crit alone wins out for DPS
young oasis
53 more DPS for the socketed one 🙂
tulip dock
Thought about switching to NF from kyrian. Is there any reason to wait? Maybe for some late tuning for covenants other than necro in 9.0.5?
sweet summit
Not really, just go for it
jagged pier
do what you want we dont pay your sub
wet compass
Man who got kicked from a high end community recently to be dumping all of this stuff like damn
sweet summit
Huh?
wet compass
all of the racism stuff had to be someone decently high up in several communities for the pms for phoenix/tank chat etc unless it's multiple people
sweet summit
Im out of the loop i have no idea what youre talking about :/
wet compass
check reddit it's the top post atm just hoping phoenix doesn't get blown up and I lose a bunch more pending gold like I did when gally did
sweet summit
Thats wild
wet compass
I'm more annoyed by the rmt bs at the top hopefully blizz just tell them they need to remove those people and I don't get fucked out of gold again
wet compass
After the first community got blown up for it yeah kind of why make a new one just to fuck yourself over again at least use a second discord account for it
brittle owl
fuck yourself from what
ot's literally why they play wow
to make money
or at least, some people
used to be quite lucrative in vanilla/tbc to just buy an acc and lvl to max and resell it
wet compass
not all of them like there are people in management level who don't appear to be involved but if they knew about the ones who were doing it it's bad
brittle owl
why is it bad
wet compass
I'm very aware used to do that type of stuff before blizz cracked down hard post token
brittle owl
it's their choice if they want to use video games as a business
wet compass
because it was essentially allowed since blizz understood it was basically needed for top level guilds to actually raid as much as they did but once they added the token they cracked down hard on rmt
brittle owl
it's not that
wet compass
Thing is there are rmt sites so use them instead of a "gold only" community especially pvp boosting
brittle owl
back in pre giga internet participation
you didnt have the tools to see if jimmy over there paid timmy for an account
unless there was a whistleblower situation
gold only communities are bigger than rmt sites, and they provide a better "front"
more volume more cash
wet compass
then again clarity looks like it's just racism on his part so who knows
like the only 2 pretty much showing rmt knowledge are xalance and got so it might be recoverable who knows just hoping I don't lose gold again then again pretty much all the stuff is from 2018/2019 but it's interspersed with current screen shots to show ranks so who the fuck knows we will see what happens
versed bough
do we go for ilvl > haste?
jagged pier
yes
execpt neck and rings
for main armour pieces 3 ilvls is an upgrade on like smaller armour pieces like 5 or 7 ilvls is better than stats
versed bough
gotcha gotcha
wet compass
man I need to learn how to scumbag better on the little adds on sire or I'm never going to get a decent parse 😦
strong forum
I assume you're talking hc
And lemme tell you, hc parses don't matter for shit if you have mythic logs
jagged pier
even now mythic logs are starting to mean nothing with the PI cheese
strong forum
You can get 99s without PIs
So idk bout that
Our firemage got r40 huntsman without PI, with PI he was rank7 out of 25k.
And firemage is like the 2nd most competetive spec in the game
Nvm its r6 now cuz 1 of the Chinese dudes got banned/his log removed
So many Chinese log doctors out there literally doctoring their logs
Or NF priest + PI and what not cheesing
median tulip
Why would you fake a combat log FFS?
sweet summit
Clout
wet compass
Getting mythic logs would require 20 people to actually show up for morning raids :( going for heroic parse at least gives me something fun to go for especially since I'm undergeared compared to the majority of top parses
dry spear
this still right? "It's worth noting that item level and sockets are generally worth more than secondary stat itemization. A socket can be slightly more valuable than a 10 item level upgrade. "
sweet summit
Which one has more total stats?
dry spear
the other helm is +haste ++versa but no socket same ilvl
sweet summit
Sockets are kinda irrelevant as venari exists
jagged pier
u can also but a socket on a belt
sweet summit
Wrathbark
wet compass
Higher haste is always nice
strong forum
I have the same 2 Helmets and threw my socket into darkfrost helmet cuz I also use it for pvp
dry spear
ok thanks. aaand another question. i see some NF tanks running with Niya and Burrs. But what about Korayn and First Strike or Face your Foes?
strong forum
I'd prefer niya over kora
dry spear
yeah the Wrath one came with a socket. thats why. so put a socket on darkfrost and that helm is "better"? is is the difference not that big of a deal then
strong forum
Probably
jagged pier
NIYA GORES BUURRRRRRRRRR
dry spear
yeah i was tanking a 16er theater as NF first time at it pumps
but i wanna go for higher keys this weekend and want to play with a good setup
jagged pier
mobs cant hit u if they are dead 
median tulip
Those are pretty close, and to an extent it depends how much haste you have elsewhere on your gear
dry spear
and i am energy starved after the switch
dry spear
Those are pretty close, and to an extent it depends how much haste you have else...
atm i am at 23% haste
with field emitter as 1 trinket
median tulip
You're probably ok to take the higher versatility TBH
dry spear
got 12% versa and 27% mastery
jagged pier
stats really dont mater
jagged pier
people need to get the stats mentality out of their heads
we dont have corruption anymore
dry spear
people need to get the stats mentality out of their heads
so just ilvl and socket?
median tulip
I'd socket the haste versa helm in your place and use that. I'd make the Mastery one into a DPS helmet
dry spear
yeah. i am fury as main in raids. ok. so farm some stygia
jagged pier
ilvl is pretty much beter
all the time
strength is key and on pieces like helms
you can put a socket in it anyway
jagged pier
u take the one iwth the socket atm as more stats
and if u desperatly want haste or vers what every stat
odd verge
ilvl is pretty much beter
Even with Rings? I have a 200ring with Haste/Vers and a 220 Crit/Mastery. Should i still pick the 220ilvl and lose like 120+ haste stats?
jagged pier
take the 226 piece that has the stats u want and socket it
jagged pier
Even with Rings? I have a 200ring with Haste/Vers and a 220 Crit/Mastery. Should...
well rings and necks are different
but more stats is generally better than best stats like i dropped the hc dark vain ring
for a mythic artifcer ring
cause far more stats even ask the question in here
and ppl sided on the vers mastery rung
over heavy haste crit ring
vestal peak
Question pls guys. for anyone that is using Tidy Plates, any idea on how to make health bar on Giant bosses be in the middle of the screen instead of it being way high that its not visible anymore cuz of Camera angle?
strong forum
You can change that with cvar_browser and edit it in the wow config, but I forgot how the option is called
odd verge
over heavy haste crit ring
So like this: I got Fleshfused circle in the vault. And the best to replace it is the Signet. But I lose 117 haste which is like 4% bringing me down from 20% to 16%.
jagged pier
its preference of course when it comes to rings and necks the thing about my chocie was the ring i was getting was like 170 vers and like no mastery
sweet summit
26 ilvl upgrade 👀
jagged pier
but in general even says it in the icy veins guide
odd verge
The vault is trolling with me. Every week.
"Weapon? Shield? NAH BRO here's a ring for u"
jagged pier
more stats > less better stats
like 21 stam is nothing to shy from tbh
but a heavy mastey ring is a big yikes
odd verge
guess... both circumstances are not optimal.. Think i will pick having more haste than extra 21 stam.
now to wait another week lmao
wet compass
so stats don't matter but I can tell you playing nearly 40% haste with itf is a lot more fun than playing 10 to 15% and this is a game after all
jagged pier
no compard to ilvl stats means very little, once u have all 226 pieces u can care about stats
the choice literally goes is it higher ilvl yes
take it cause the strength and armour is better
if its the same ilvl which has more haste
uneven mason
starting in 9.0.5 we gonna focus big crit
sweet summit
🤔
jagged pier
crit sims high
ionic fern
"You can now parry spells".
ebon hound
Crit parry; reflects the spell or attack back to the attacker 
jagged pier
imagine
ionic fern
Everyone then "Please give back old Ravager for the parry"
jagged pier
true actually
jagged pier
remote dawn
guys i have a trinket question: i have 210 scale 210 ermitter 220 stone legion what i go for m+?
jagged pier
any they are all good
would probs take emitter over legion if there arent like 3 or more SLG trinkets anyway
remote dawn
kk ty
jagged pier
and always run scale
remote dawn
sounds good 🙂
odd verge
been running DoS but i can never get that damn scale to drop.
atomic flicker
been running DoS but i can never get that damn scale to drop.
same
odd verge
Lucky im a Mechagnome so i got a mini al'ar racial.
orchid frigate
keen steppe
Prot warri so bad? or why i dont see prots ._.?
jagged pier
third most picked tank for mythic raiding must be bad right
🤔
highest phyiscal mitigation in the game
yer we are are aweful
ionic fern
Prot warri so bad? or why i dont see prots ._.?
Because of community perception. Streamers/Influencers said in the beginning of SL that Prot is bad and it's still sticking around.
strong forum
It's also that it's generally a quite unpopular spec unless it's legit the best in something.
Vdh is fotm, so you don't see alot of variation
It do be like that
ionic fern
I did a +18 a few days ago and the healer said "You are the first Prot warrior i have seen since SL begun".
That was fun.
jagged pier
i get that all the time in keys we are a mythical spec
restive wigeon
I had a guy yesterday telling me that I was the easiest tank to heal since he started running mythics
and that he was shocked
lmao
ionic fern
And then they get surprised when we are sturdy as hell on most packs. 😒
restive wigeon
people really think we are hot garbage
lime urchin
Yes. But I do miss some cool flavour / utility spells every now and then when tonking on my warrior. Don’t you feel that too?
ionic fern
No. 🤔
AoE fear, AoE stun, Spear/AA, Intervene/Charge,ST stun
restive wigeon
I wish we had piercing howl tho
and the conduit that was scratched
iron maiden
feel like our conduits are garbage
compared to other tanks
lime urchin
Meh, I may be taking those for granted since I have been maining protection warrior since Cata. I am in love with mah guardian alt at the moment.
strong forum
Anytime Im not playing warri im missing having stuns and fear
Such a huge qol to have multiple stuns
On short CD
ionic fern
I always get surprised how wrecked i get by the big skeleton dudes in DoS when i'm not on my warrior.
😂
lime urchin
Yes. I am happily married with prot warrior for a long time. I think I am just saying I am flirting a bit with some others.
distant meadow
bolster is bae in DoS
ionic fern
bolster is bae in DoS
It's actually one of the dungeons where AM + The Wall could potentially be playable.
smoky wave
Or blade flurry dude in top
Everytime he does that I 🤨 a bit. Is it supposed to hurt then?
ionic fern
The big blockable pulls you do are with urn anyways
lime urchin
It's actually one of the dungeons where AM + The Wall could potentially be playa...
For shield wall on first and second pull?
strong forum
Every pull
distant meadow
AM/Wall is my build anyways. really dont see a point in changing. plus i can never get good enough shoulders to replace my leggo so i can try something else lol
strong forum
In m+ you ideally play Bolster 90%+ of the time
You can get away with AM in low keys, but 15 and above I'd say you wanna run Bolster almost exclusively for now
Except maybe DoS as mwahi mentioned
lime urchin
I’d like to give that a try in DoS tonight
distant meadow
i swap to bolster when i dont have my usual healer for my M+ group. r sham is top notch atm and my healer is baller good lol
or ill swap to bolster if its a rough key week
ionic fern
My healer is usually just DPS'ing.
distant meadow
LOL
distant meadow
man, i feel like a garbo tonk now
ionic fern
He used to play a druid but is swapping to Pally now cause they do so much damage.
distant meadow
what covenant are you @ionic fern ?
ionic fern
Kyrian.
distant meadow
i just swapped to kyrian from NF like an hour ago
ionic fern
There's almost no wrong way with playing with Bolster..
With Pugs you play it cause you can't rely on pug healers
With premades you play it cause you (hopefully) know that your healer deals a ton of damage. 😂
jagged pier
bolster gives you so much damage
as u can just spamm revenge during it on a big pack
ionic fern
Screw my damage, the holy pallys pumping in AoE is insane.
distant meadow
is holy doing better as the gear gets better? i dont know much about the healers this xpac
ionic fern
I always get tilted when i see a healer doing almost no damage in a run and just spam healing me when i'm sitting on 90% hp.
distant meadow
yea.....lol thats why i like r druids. i wish more players were good at disc priest though
obtuse prism
noob prot warrior question: how do i practice good shield block usage?
astral crystal
have a weakaura that tracks it
obtuse prism
ill try that :) ty
young oasis
we use 1x 7 str game or we just go all haste gems?
smoky wave
I use a wa to track, logs so you get a feel for uptime (plot threat with buff uptime) and swearing at yourself when you're not actively tanking but habitually hit the button when it's available 😅
signal plover
we use 1x 7 str game or we just go all haste gems?
Just haste
obtuse prism
that last one is what I think im doing
signal plover
Don't worry, everyone does that once in awhile
smoky wave
Tricky, if you want to look back afterwards you can check logs to see if you're hitting it and not actively tanking. Doesn't help for not pressing it during casts. But yeah, happens, muscle memory takes over. Just try not to 🤷
median tulip
Part of it is knowing the encounter, and knowing when the boss you're fighting is about to take some time out from punching you to do something else. Sludgefist for example, between Roars, Stomps and Charges, he's only actually hitting you about half the time.
young oasis
we are going to roll leggins if Reprisal goes live?
gonna buy it now, in case fuckers raise prices couse everyone gonna craft it
strong forum
Just buy 1 r4 material and sit on it if you really think prices are gonna rise
median tulip
Probably Boots TBH
strong forum
What're the slots
median tulip
Because I can make Rank 4 Boots
strong forum
Wasn't it on legs or helmet or smth
median tulip
Legs or Feet for Reprisal
median tulip
Why?
strong forum
Way more stats?
jagged pier
stats
median tulip
Hmmm
livid gyro
I thought chests did
median tulip
Seismic Reverberation is Head or Shoulders btw @strong forum ; you may have been misremembering that one
strong forum
Chest has same stats as helmet and legs I think
livid gyro
Ahh okay
median tulip
Thing is my existing legs are 226, whereas my boots are lower
strong forum
Patch won't hit for a few weeks, boots drop off of shriek
median tulip
Meh
I'm finding Raid gearing as a Plate wearer is a massive pain. Out of 20 people last night I was one of two Plate wearers
jagged pier
im one of one atm
median tulip
No loot passing for us
strong forum
I'm one of 5, but I'm always the one trading away
jagged pier
i never have had loot trading and im still 225 🤷
strong forum
Cuz I was 221+ when everybody was still 210ish
signal plover
Shoulders are a myth
Gonna need some luck outta chest now that we're extending as well
jagged pier
same
umbral cave
hey all, rolling a new prot war, just hit 50 and choosing a cov, am going to main prot and offspec fury for M+, any thoughts on ideal cov choice?
jagged pier
what content do u want to do
median tulip
hey all, rolling a new prot war, just hit 50 and choosing a cov, am going to mai...
You can successfully do all content with any of the covenants.
umbral cave
You can successfully do all content with any of the covenants.
Alright, thats good to know
Also would you guys level threads of fate as prot or arms or fury?
median tulip
TBH I wouldn't threads of fate
median tulip
The storyline quests are actually the fastest way to get to 60
However if I was going to do Threads, I'd probably just tank the whole way
Because as a tank you have no queue
jagged pier
u get like 12 reknown from doing the help quest for each zone in threads
and u can do them by spamming dungeons
if u get a dedicated group its faster to thread and spam dungeons
but that requires 4 other ppl
uneven mason
11% lastnight >< (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
jagged pier
9:30 into council we wipe (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
uneven mason
woof
at 18% we had 5 people DC, characters literally mid air from a shattering pain
hence the tableflip
jagged pier
ooooooooffffffffffff
uneven mason
because we didn't have anyone else die until the 3rd Ravage
strong forum
Still using hc slg ones
Got haste>mastery legs from 2nd vault and got artificer legs this vault
uneven mason
so would've prob been a kill
median tulip
There was some funky shit going on with the servers last night
uneven mason
Yhea
sweet summit
jagged pier
the servers are a bit fuked atm it seems we get that a few times a night @uneven mason
uneven mason
no deaths
median tulip
Guild chat and roster were completely non-functional during our raid