Is the Viscera of coalesced hatred any good? no clue what strength trinkets are good lol
#protection
pine leaf
rotund parcel
just get it on your way back to hakkar
its an awkward prideful butat least cd's will all be up
bitter crest
my vault options: scale 210 -> scale 226 or 226 haste/vers ring vs. 213 haste/crit or 220 crit/mast ring - opinions?
rotund parcel
226 scale, irreplaceable
young glen
Scale
lofty widget
probably scale
rotund parcel
unless one rolls avoidance next week
vocal trellis
Kite the pack and tell ur dps to kick shadowcore and you should be fine
glad scaffold
I try to get one big fear off to cancel a bunch of casts
rotund parcel
just stand in the frontal and get knocked off the edge
glad scaffold
ya you can just leap back in anyway :^)
rotund parcel
cuz i tell you a secret, when they are gunna die the dps can actually kite really well
glad scaffold
lol tru
I wonder if its worth using the wall without AM
maybe I should grab back thunderlord
rotund parcel
wall worth
blazing condor
Stone legion heraldry (220) to upgrade a darkmoon 200 trinket or a 20 ilvl helm upgrade with haste/vers? I guess heraldry is the choice to go for but just making sure 😛
glad scaffold
wall worth
even without the SW CD reduction from AM?
blazing condor
helm gives me more main stat and vers compared to 1 stack of heraldry atm
lofty widget
wall is still big time worth
lofty widget
roughly yes
rotund parcel
i have thunderlords, its still at 190 tbh
lofty widget
and the rage gain is yuge
rotund parcel
i want my soul ash back
glad scaffold
i want my soul ash back
that bad huh?
lofty widget
i made a 210 reflect leggo... wheres my soul ash
rotund parcel
for like sanguine i think thunderlord would do better
lots of trash
much uptime on shout
rotund parcel
people gave me shit for crafting leaper and upgrading it
glad scaffold
I have it at full, sleeper good legendary imo
rotund parcel
guess whos gotta kite veteran stoneguards now huh
"we need a dh tank"
all of my rage
i got this
rotund parcel
cant in dungeon
did in rbg tho
who needs tank to fc
when im the keepings off world champion
glad scaffold
whats the dung you hate most as prot
rotund parcel
atal
actually scratch that
fucking siege
i dont care it was last xpac
i still hate it more than any of these
glad scaffold
how bout in SL
jagged pier
i like all the dungeons more than BFA dungeons tbh
rotund parcel
plaguefall without a disease dispel
vocal trellis
^
glad scaffold
big oof that one
lavish oracle
Nah, there's not a single dungeon I like as much as Freehold
delicate thorn
my main is Holy Priest, so it's nice to be able to dispel disease in this expansion
vocal trellis
To be fair pf is one of my favorite dungeons, but kinda sucks on forti with the wrong setup
lavish oracle
Wake comes close to Waycrest/Underrot
rotund parcel
or black rook hold
glad scaffold
I actually really love the design of DoS
but its too long and I played it too many times, so I can just hear it all the time
ME WANT DEM SOULS BWONSAMDI
vocal trellis
DoS gives me KR flashbacks from time to time... No good
lavish oracle
The Suramar dungeons were my favorites in legion
glad scaffold
how would you guys buff prot warrior, if it was 100% gona happen
lavish oracle
Aura buff to damage by 5%, 15% buff to Shield Slam damage
glad scaffold
how about restoring old AM
lavish oracle
Maybe buff some of our legendaries to be a little more exciting
If it were like...wishlist items
rotund parcel
to be honest if i got to pick just one thing, itd be legion warbringer/intervene
lavish oracle
AM baseline
lavish oracle
I just think AM is fun and interactive in a way that suits warriors playstyle
I just wish it were baked in so I didn't have to choose between it and a less fun talent
lofty widget
well with the new reprisal we might just be able to go AM
if it stays as is that is
glad scaffold
well with the new reprisal we might just be able to go AM
sry what'd I miss?
rotund parcel
if we all just stop talking about how good reprisal is going to be, and just hush hush until 9.0.5 gets released.
lavish oracle
Yeah, I know but then our borrowed power is gonna get taken away eventually, and it ends up in the same situation
rotund parcel
maybe, just maybe ittl stay.
arctic whale
what's so fun about being able to press avatar/shieldwall more often?
rotund parcel
you can pull more stuff more often too
cuz avatar/wall
and pulling more stuff is more fun
cuz feels like well endowed when pull big
lofty widget
honestly give avatar a defensive aspect, pressing it feels so meh right now
lavish oracle
@arctic whale it used to be more cds that were affected by AM, and it's interesting because of how much of our playstyle is centered around rotational CDs
Having direct control over them in that way just felt good
rotund parcel
i mean we got to be apes every single pull
what cd do i have for the first pull? everything
ok 2nd pull whats left? everything again.
lavish oracle
It wasn't exactly that dramatic, haha
rotund parcel
i exagerrate a bit but yeah
glad scaffold
yea I want my cds back
rotund parcel
avatar 24/7 uptime with the mastery buff was giga
glad scaffold
feels so clunky rn
lavish oracle
And it was fun like 'oh this pack died too fast so I didn't generate enough rage to get my shield wall back, better call for an external for the next pull'
It felt engaging
rotund parcel
bastion of might as a talent on row 4 would be alright i think
arctic whale
they should roll unstoppable force into avatar
rotund parcel
can combo with demo and unstoppable then
glad scaffold
they should roll unstoppable force into avatar
I agree w that
so many of prot talents feel like they should just be there by default lol
rotund parcel
wait until you play arms
and have to spec into a stun
for 1 mob
least we got shockwave baseline lolz
rotund parcel
haha
glad scaffold
I prefer rumbling earth over SB honestly
the cd reduction is so big
you can stun entire packs with it
rotund parcel
i like dr'ing whole packs too
lavish oracle
Too unreliable and a ranged stop is good
lofty widget
at 17 seconds you start messing with your own DR even
rotund parcel
p much lol
glad scaffold
sorry, DR?
rotund parcel
diminishing returns
the more frequently a mob is stunned
the less time the stun lusts
until it immunes
glad scaffold
right
lavish oracle
Being able to stun an important cast while kiting is just so valueable
lofty widget
so if you shockwave, a 6 sec kidney shot will only be 3 sec and so on
strong forum
If you stun a target 3 times within 18sec of each other, it becomes immune on the 4th
rotund parcel
so like if you run with a dh who for whatever reason
is going to nova 1s into rotation
glad scaffold
but then doesnt storm have the same issue, or is it just about cast stopping at that point
rotund parcel
dr on 1 mob is better than on all
lavish oracle
DH actually pumps in keys atm
lofty widget
stormbolt doesnt affect all mobs
strong forum
It's 1 target, not all
rotund parcel
also 20yd not 10
glad scaffold
fair
rotund parcel
also 4s not 2
glad scaffold
Ill start using it
rotund parcel
its no hoj but its what we got
rotund parcel
or those bastards that flee in pf
lofty widget
or stunning mobs before they die on sanguine and moving the rest
rotund parcel
^
rotund parcel
you bolt the low hp mob and move the rest with you
glad scaffold
the cd isnt too bad either
strong forum
SB is just way too good to not use it
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
30sec CD on 4sec ranged stun is 
jagged pier
IONJAM
lavish oracle
Are there more PTR changes tomorrow?
rotund parcel
even if it was the other way around and we could spec into reduced cd on bolt but had it baseline instead of shockwave or had to spec into shockwave
having both is better
nocturne marlin
What do U think about this trinket? I only have sunking (ilvl 200) and the DOStrinket (203)
Sry im on my Phone
lavish oracle
I'd stick with sun king/DOS defensively
jagged pier
I literally run a 16 mists yesterday with decanter and phial and was perfectly fine
lavish oracle
But if you're looking for damage, crystal is big
lavish oracle
Well, if you can communicate with your healer you can use it as an extra cd
Definitely have told my healer to just let me bleed out if they need to when I have Alar up
jagged pier
sure but in pugs thats just too much effort i run double dps trinkets tbh and have no issue as i have still to get scale
rotund parcel
good use of scale will prob do more damage than decanters
my decanters feels useless tbh
scale on use far more effective damage than random proc i feel
lavish oracle
Last time I ran with decanter it felt really hit or miss
lavish oracle
Some runs it was big damage and some it was like <2%
nocturne marlin
Whats decanter? :)
lavish oracle
Sanguine depths trinket, frontal DPS proc
jagged pier
i dunno i consisdently get like 3.5-4% of my damage from it
lavish oracle
I usually run anima field emitter if I don't need alar
lavish hare
Quick question about vault. I did run only 4 x 13’s halls last week. My 2 items will be 100% from halls?
rotund parcel
no
arctic whale
nope
lavish hare
Ye, thats what I was afraid
jagged pier
no just random from any dungeon
lavish hare
Thanks
rotund parcel
think with raid to get sire and slg loots you have to have killed them on that difficulty that week right?
jagged pier
yes
lavish hare
Then they shouldnt do that to mythics aswell
lavish hare
🤣🤣🤣
arctic whale
it's more that keys are assigned random I think
rotund parcel
imagine the poor bastards that have to do only 10 dos 15's every week
and never get quantum device
jagged pier
dont even start
cause that would be me
then id still open the vault in arms by accident
rotund parcel
got my 2nd 226 quantum device in vault this week :D
226 scale was on week 2.
all the boys in the yard bullied me
but then i used my scale and absorbed it all
idgaf
lavish oracle
Gonna have to force my buddies to all run m0 DOS in tank loot spec with me to get a scale again when 9.0.5 comes out
lavish oracle
Tru
rotund parcel
my buddies did that to me for all their quantum devices
trinkets like me
except the only one i want
fkn gorechop man, ultracucking me
glad scaffold
gona chop you up
hollow snow
lads i have a conundrum
i opened vault, and realistically my option is sidegrade chestpiece from Mastery/Crit to Vers/Crit, or upgrade neck from 200 Haste/mastery to 213 Mastery/Haste
Trading off 73 haste for 11 stam and 95 mastery doesnt seem worth it
strong forum
Stygia
jagged pier
sounds like stygia to me
hollow snow
damn
the whole squad laughing at me
is transmog a suitable replacement for stygia?
jagged pier
yes
hollow snow
aight sweet
mystic zodiac
As prot was loot spec should we be in? I understand you want to be Prot in DOS for trink but what else?
rich helm
how can i make a weakaura jumping ?
hoary ferry
Still ilvl above everything else at 215 ilvl?
jagged pier
always
hoary ferry
Thanks
heavy sail
@mystic zodiac prot?
slow warren
how hard does p3 denathrius hit compared to p2?
jagged pier
the dot ticks pretty hard
heavy sail
P2 is the hardest for most people
slow warren
so if the tank dies in 2 melees from 100% hp in p2, how hard will p3 be?
heavy sail
Easier imo
sweet summit
What how where
jagged pier
well if he dies in 2 melees hes doing somthing wrong
heavy sail
^ also this
jagged pier
very wrong
sweet summit
Did he have 20 stacks of wracking and tanking both boss and sword?
heavy sail
P3 is all about tank positioning and correct soaking
But once you nail those it’s kind of a breeze
slow warren
no
heavy sail
Really same could be said for the entire fight
jagged pier
have you got logS?
slow warren
private
heavy sail
That’s a fuck load of damage 
jagged pier
well can say i dont know how to play bdk maybe go ask in their discord
heavy sail
My only real knowledge of BDK is that a lot of their play style revolves around reading and interpreting, so there’s a fair bit of planning and using cool downs effectively.
But it’s not unusual for them to go 100-20% in a split second
I’m not the best at reading logs though nor am I very knowledgeable about BDK
strong forum
That's just positioning
What matters is the ranged add getting shit on
The melee adds are w/e they get cleaved
heavy sail
Sire is a fight where tanks really just carry
The entire fight is so intense with positioning
strong forum
Idk bout that
P2 shit on ranged add
P3 stay close to edge
GG
Get infront of mirror for HoD in p2
heavy sail
I think you take for granted that people know where to stand at what times.
strong forum
What matters more is people not getting yeeted off and not putting the seeds in dumb places
heavy sail
Tank positioning has much to do with ability to not put seeds in dumb places generally speaking
But I mean you can position well and people still fuck it up
It’s just a facet of that
slow warren
fight feels ultra dependent on tanks
hard to stay untilted
when a tank dies and remornia snipes people
or the tank debuff gets missed and you now can't kill the add
heavy sail
Yeah mistakes are highlighted for sure
jagged pier
you bdk is AMS'ing the wracked pain just to check cause it stops them taking a stack
and actually makes taunts swaps way easier
slow warren
yea he's amsing the debuff
heavy sail
Just looks like big ole’ hits
rotund parcel
jesus christ he gets hit hard, thats with bone shield, palegos buff and absorb
heavy sail
But I’m a dummy
rotund parcel
was his back to sire?
like on our first kill the biggest unmitigated hit i took off sire was 25k
rotund parcel
i mean if i was dk id probably be sitting on a death strike
the entire fight for those moments
the last melee was 35k swing? he absorbed 10k from will of necro, took 17k overkill 8k
rotund parcel
3 carnage ticks for 1300 1 crimson chorus for 3.5k and 2 melee swings for like 76k before absorbs?
over 3s
glad im not bdk tbh
that sounds horrible
rotund parcel
does raid have a hpal?
just double beacon both tanks ezy gg
just a riptide over 3s too
maybe ranged healers?
nimble drift
Bdk seems scary
rotund parcel
sire hits me for 35k #justbdkthings
nimble drift
Just desperately healing massive damage youre taking constantly lmfao
rotund parcel
sounds like me in legion
brittle owl
your healing is entirely predictable though
there's no desperation involved
firing your last death strike too early is a missplay
slow warren
avg melee was 27k
heavy sail
BDK is also like, the one tank currently that feels super in control.
Despite getting smacked around
slow warren
35k is not that far right?
heavy sail
Their fate is mostly their own
rotund parcel
mine is 32 atm
heavy sail
Community perception is still that they’re mid
rotund parcel
i am enjoying pressing thrash and moonfire
heavy sail
But little do they know
rotund parcel
to top dam
fkn thrash legendary
OOF
thrash thrash thrash thrash thrash thrash thrash
top dam and heal
brittle owl
really only tanks that need some love are bdk and pwarr, and mostly on the damage front
cause it's pretty depressing
heavy sail
Both are in a weird spot though
Because a solid buff to either would rock the tank meta entirely
rotund parcel
id rather they just nerf tanks damage by a few hundred precent and increase our threat gen
so meta isnt determined by which tank does big dam
strong forum
Big dam > smol dam
heavy sail
I second that damage is the thing to buff.
rotund parcel
i mean, hit the outlier with a baseball bat
heavy sail
But like buffing actual tankiness for either of them is precarious
rotund parcel
until it becomes unplayable
heavy sail
Because they’re already quite good
brittle owl
yeah no, they just need damage tuning
heavy sail
Or just normalize damage for tanks more
brittle owl
at least imo
rotund parcel
normalize imo
heavy sail
Tru
mild compass
Whats the trick for high parses on H sludgefist?
heavy sail
Blizzard is going to react to the community perception and give uptime/defensive buffs tho
rotund parcel
be the third tank
heavy sail
That’s how they be
sweet summit
Spear on pillars pump execute slap revenge
heavy sail
Be the main tank
sweet summit
PI 
heavy sail
brittle owl
penis infusion
brittle owl
isn't that cheating
mild compass
Yea
rotund parcel
my cotank is a brew and legit on sunking he can be half asleep on pull and rip threat on everything
i start with all adds and doritos on me
now i just get 4 md's slappy hands and afk
sweet summit
That does not sound right
heavy sail
Monks can snap threat fairly easily
heavy sail
Not as good as VDH I think but really really great at that
brittle owl
anything that's not bdk can snap threat off a pwarr
rotund parcel
lol
strong forum
It's not that bad
rotund parcel
i just take uf now open avatar wait for slappy hands then scale shockwave spear
gg
brittle owl
it kinda is
heavy sail
By snap threat I just mean like, most threat possible in 1GCD.
Dunno if there’s a better term for it
blazing condor
idk i usually have no threat problems with my co-tank
maybe i got shit co-tanks tho : p
rotund parcel
my cotank does big dam :<
brittle owl
case in point : heroic week nathria. i was in questing.greens on my paladin and the OT was 190ish
heavy sail
BrM pumps
brittle owl
i ripped threat without even trying
rotund parcel
kinda awkward for him when i crit spear and scale on my openers when he starts
isnta rip
rotund parcel
he gets all of my intervenes
he a lucky boi
phial 4 lyfe
keep your filthy banner
oh wait we have many boomkins
they want my banner
fuck
brittle owl
banner giving giga mastery means BoM nostalgia
strong forum
i ripped threat without even trying
Ah you mean ripping threat off of pwar as cotank, then I guess? My cotank doesn't ever rip threat, it's pretty much only pally that can easily rip threat away
When not intended
brittle owl
bruh
rotund parcel
ye single target protwar opener is giga
brittle owl
i had to stop pressing shit intermittently
strong forum
But nonetheless, pwar does atleast 20% less dmg than others
rotund parcel
i rip threat erry time
rotund parcel
gonna watch my monk put his stupid statue down and watch all the skirmishers
brittle owl
simping in wow is horrendous
heavy sail
Idk I think banner is neat
sweet summit
Lol what
heavy sail
I understand it for shadowpriests
brittle owl
whaduheck
sweet summit
Cringe
heavy sail
Like being forced to use your PI on someone else feels bad as a shadow priest because SP isn’t meant to be a “support” role.
sweet summit
PI on a warrior is giga cringe dont @ me
heavy sail
But prot warrior giving a similar buff is sensible
brittle owl
PI is the new infinite stars cringe is it
heavy sail
Because we are a “support” role
heavy sail
Like I enjoy pumping as a tank as much as the next guy
But I don’t like the paradigm of being essentially limp dick DPS
brittle owl
support gameplay is nonexistant in modern wow
it basically revolves around pressing a buff once
and forgetting about it
pi is fine
stop bitching
yes it is
heavy sail
Just make it a personal for SP specifically
brittle owl
toxic people created a toxic environment
rotund parcel
idc
strong forum
PI should only work on yourself, change my mind
heavy sail
The thing is that it should be mathematically the best for SP, or it should just be a personal CD.
strong forum
Not on others
heavy sail
But it’s dope for heal spec priests
brittle owl
why should i care about poor jimmy three shoes who cries about his parses being blue instead of orange because of the big bad pi priests
heavy sail
Are you hating it just because it cheeses parse?
sweet summit
:^)
brittle owl
or about trihard timmy that cries about PI being the oNlY ThInG between him and r1
rotund parcel
we are prots, our dam not important. being alive not standing in bad important
rally important
strong forum
or about trihard timmy that cries about PI being the oNlY ThInG between him and ...
This
heavy sail
Damage is actually hyper important
It shouldn’t be, but it is.
Been that way for a while
strong forum
PI is annoying cuz almost every dps is constantly spamming about wanting PI
brittle owl
PI is layer of macro skill
rotund parcel
im not top world raider, my dam not as important as staying alive
heavy sail
Damage is never as important as staying alive
brittle owl
staying alive is binary
rotund parcel
pushing phase before it kills you is also nice though
heavy sail
But if all things are equal and you’d survive on any tank, you’d absolutely just pick the best one.
Because why not
It kills the boss easier
rotund parcel
^
brittle owl
or 🤮 buffs
heavy sail
Imagine taking a havoc instead of VDH
rotund parcel
no shit man
brittle owl
not many people play ww good enough to justify it
brittle owl
just unsub anyway
heavy sail
rotund parcel
idk that death log posted before makes me think
i made a very wise choice
imagine getting hit for 38k on sire
brittle owl
no tank is harder than the other
heavy sail
I beg to differ
brittle owl
people overcomplicate the wrong things
rotund parcel
every tank thinks they are the hardest to play
heavy sail
Guardian is fucking sleeper
brittle owl
and underestimate the wrong things
heavy sail
rotund parcel
5 of the 6 tanks know that dh is small brain tho
heavy sail
I didn’t think it would be a polarizing statement I thought everyone was in general agreement that BDK is the hardest
brittle owl
if you fail at planning on a bdk
you prob fail on other tanks too
you just don't notice it cause you're being carried by the healers
heavy sail
Well you can be carried by healers though
That’s the point
BDK ain’t getting carried by shit
brittle owl
i mean
brittle owl
if you define being carried as a factor in skill sure
rotund parcel
hahahahaha
civic torrent
the wall p juice
heavy sail
Assuming you have like, a low skill guardian tank who has a BDK alt — he’d clear content on the guardian because the skill is covered by the specs natural tankiness and tank healing.
But if you’re like turbo low skilled and play BDK
Nobody can help you
You’re just gonna insta die
heavy sail
I’m not saying it’s like turbo skilled gameplay
But certainly moreso than any other tank
civic torrent
ty for the response btw @sweet summit
sweet summit
mystic zodiac
I main Vdh and one of the main reasons im rerolling is it feels to easy.
Well, simple is a better word
heavy sail
Man I’ve rerolled every class in the game and felt that
Homogenization has made the game way worse tbh
rotund parcel
but have you done it with a guitar hero controller?
heavy sail
No but I should
strong forum
heavy sail
I could be rank 1 Havoc with a guitar hero controller and have buttons to spare
rotund parcel
if a guy can finish dark souls with a guitar hero controller
and a guy can do mythic nzoth with no hands
should be fine
rotund parcel
awkward
brittle owl
just call your meat darksouls for the poor man's choice
strong forum
I beat darksouls way too often
ebon hound
sweet summit
brittle owl
sweet summit
Thats not a letsgooo
heavy sail
worn bear
is avoidance just that good?
torpid cliff
Guys guys, which upgrade do i take?
Shield 220 > 226
or
Belt 207 > 220
sweet summit
Shield
strong forum
Shield
torpid cliff
Clearn, thanks\
brittle owl
is avoidance just that good?
not really no
arctic wasp
is 11 haste more worth than 2 str, 3 armor and 5 stam ? the small decisions
basically a socket vs 4 ilvl
bitter crest
I think it doesn't matter after all. You won't notice any difference.
The numbers are just too small.
heavy sail
2 AP/100 health
VS
Like .33% haste
Difference is honestly negligible
But I would probably tend more toward haste
strong forum
is 11 haste more worth than 2 str, 3 armor and 5 stam <:yep:703420923625078804> ...
No
I don't think so
humble ferry
hey all, brewmaster main here deciding to try out prot. i see #1 prot war is night fae, can anyone explain why? Kyrian looks a lot better imo
brittle owl
10 stats spread out vs 11 dumped into one
sweet summit
AA>spear
Phial>furry
Both are great
#1 pwarr used to be venthyr but swapped after he killed sire. Probably picked nf cos its more damage than kyrian
humble ferry
alright i see, i assume kyrian is better defensively right?
sweet summit
Ya, phial is great for helping us against bleeds/curses etc and a heal is always welcome
humble ferry
okay i know my choice now then, thanks alot 🙂
blazing condor
Do we still wanna spear certain packs for SoA this week with tyran or better on bosses?
tender carbon
Man, that new fleshcraft was so OP, why did they have to nerf it
bitter crest
Man, that new fleshcraft was so OP, why did they have to nerf it
You answered it yourself.
icy yarrow
5 weeks in a row and no fucking shield on vault or raid re-clear... freaking amazing blizz
tender carbon
This is a buff....to your sub time
arctic wasp
Man, that new fleshcraft was so OP, why did they have to nerf it
wait, is there a new ptr build ?
tender carbon
Yeah, they took the 30% DR while channeling down to 20%
young glen
Did Blizzcon provide any information on valor points in 9.1? e.g. upgrading items further down the road once aquired after 9.0.5?
wild chasm
for playing strictly m+ what feels better, shield wall leggo or thunderlord?
heavy sail
It’s probably going to be seasonal to match the level cap, I would expect valor to reset and be upgrade-able to whatever standard 9.1 is @young glen
They didn’t explain it that way, but that just makes the most sense I think.
signal plover
I'm expecting a seasonal approach like they did with TR
heavy sail
Imagine that it’s just conquest, essentially.
That’s probably what they’re going for.
signal plover
Yeah, given that they've said multiple times that they're happy with pvp hearing.
young glen
Which would mean I could upgrade the same item in 9.1 with a different currency?
heavy sail
Same currency, rolling reset
So you keep the items, can upgrade them further
But you’re back at square 1 with valor points
young glen
Well anyway. I'd be sort of pissed if I got blood-scale pre 9.0.5 😄
If I can farm it even on +2 or +3 for efficiency and keep it throughout the patches - assuming it keeps the value
Plus a long(ish) upgrade path
heavy sail
Yeah the whole “you can’t upgrade items you got before 9.0.5” thing is bullshit.
But it’s a bandaid fix and I’m happy with it for now, gives people a reason to actually do m+
limpid burrow
i got 226 Overwhelming power crystal from vault
strong forum
Big parse
signal plover
Go with a thunder fury mog for good prog luck...kill m council a day earlier than expected. Still got the magic
astral crystal
5 weeks in a row and no fucking shield on vault or raid re-clear... freaking ama...
just pvp hehe :^)))))))))))))))))))
i really hope they nuke pvp ilvl in pve content
uneven mason
i really hope they nuke pvp ilvl in pve content
So no one will PVP atall?
the reason why they made PVP the best avanue for targeted upgrades is because PVP was a dead aspect of the game
sure, don't do it if you don't want to, but I Like the fact I can actually see an actual benefit in all aspects of the game from doing it. Primary reason I stopped PVPing is because it was made useless in PVE
astral crystal
So no one will PVP atall?
nah, so pvp doesn't become a nearly obligatory aspect of the game that impacts pve so strongly
uneven mason
nah, so pvp doesn't become a nearly obligatory aspect of the game that impacts p...
Its only that way because of how bad the PVE loot system has been
if they fix the PVE loot
astral crystal
segregating them was a good idea
uneven mason
that won't be an issue.
uneven mason
I Mean, I'm mad I was basically done with gearing by the time they reupped the drops
but the M+ changes will be nice
even if its, yet again FUCKING TIME GATED
Weekly caps on Valor is stupid
but then again, so is conquest
astral crystal
i wish you could just farm to your heart's content and be rewarded
uneven mason
but doesn't sound like valor will have a "catch up"
astral crystal
yeah conquest has its expanding cap, right
uneven mason
i wish you could just farm to your heart's content and be rewarded
I've been farming more than I can bear and hardly get rewarded
it wasn't until the "loot changes" went in that I actually started getting upgrades from my vault
prior to that I was getting the same cloaks and shit I was already wearing for weeks
even on weeks when I did a full clear in raid and 10 M+
"OH SNAP 5 CLOAKS AND THE BELT I"M WEARING!"
the last 2 weeks I've gotten a weapon upgrade and helm upgrade (13ilvls on helm)
bitter crest
Easy solution for the vault: every equipment slot can only occur once. So no 3 cloaks at the same time anymore.
astral crystal
targeting items like in bfa was a good idea, just dumb that it took 2 weeks to get a raid-ilvl equivalent
if they just di that but for 1 week, that'd be nice too
would let us snipe a shield as early as possible
although since it's supplemented by the chest/vault i guess i see why there's a delay
modest oxide
Hi all - SD gauntlet question: Kaal does his wicked rush/gash in the gauntlet periodically but there don't seem to be red arrows going out on players as there are on the main fight. I notice sometimes I get the bleed; other times I don't. How can you tell who he's rushing to in the gauntlet to avoid the gash?
bitter crest
Just try to be spread somewhat.
tame jasper
One question: Icy vains writes that strength is the best stat for prot-warr (and haste 2nd), but suggest also to socckel pure haste and not a single primary stat gem. Can anyone explain this to me please
modest oxide
bleeds applied from where she leaves, not where she appears
Really? So.. basically move away from kaal before she does the gash?
modern brook
Really? So.. basically move away from kaal before she does the gash?
really its just deal 10% and clear the stuff. the bleeds a healer problem and there isnt much you can do about it
modern brook
One question: Icy vains writes that strength is the best stat for prot-warr (and...
16 haste is better than 7 str
tame jasper
16 haste is better than 7 str
As easy as that? 😮
modern brook
As easy as that? 😮
pretty much
Ultimately prot gearing is really straightforward
and it boils down to just take ilvl
because armor Str and stam are all very good for us
And no 2ndary is particularly better than another
tame jasper
But the bonus from 16 haste is still better than 7 str?
wild hemlock
ive got a 210 prot warrior and pally now and hate them both
:((((((((((( why are warriors not fun this expac :((((((((((((
bitter crest
I have fun.
modern brook
But the bonus from 16 haste is still better than 7 str?
Basically- its a bit more nuanced than that but yeah Thats the simplest take away
wild hemlock
i mean i do have fun
modern brook
:((((((((((( why are warriors not fun this expac :((((((((((((
you have bad taste
wild hemlock
but aoe threat makes me want to barf
bitter crest
Then you're doing something wrong.
modern brook
^
chrome osprey
Clap those thunders, revenge of the nerds.
modern brook
Ravager + spear/aa, demo shout + revenge etc
bitter crest
Don't use clap for aggro, it's a wet noodle.
swift mesa
you also may be blaming yourself for retarded dps who open with their heavy hitter aoe abilities
strong forum
Wanna know the secret to holding threat when a god tier firemage is combusting?
Having your own CDs ready.
I know, wild concept
bitter crest
That skill is great!
strong forum
Yes
uneven mason
CHallenging Shout hold them long enough for you to get Avatar+demo, Aftershock out
astral crystal
cs gives you a threat multiplier too im pretty sure
lofty widget
cs just applies taunt to all nearby enemies
astral crystal
ya
uneven mason
and almost nothing can pull off of you when you hit them with a 44% Buffed Aftershock at a 400% threat multiplier
bitter crest
and almost nothing can pull off of you when you hit them with a 44% Buffed After...
Of course: another taunt. 😄
uneven mason
if a DPS is dumb enough to press their taunt button
I let them die
but hence, almost nothing
sturdy lynx
Do you guys think 9.0.5 will be out next week ? Really curious to see how necro warriors will be doing.
uneven mason
mid march is my guess
sturdy lynx
Yeah they mentioned March , was think either first week of not last week of March .
modern brook
assume the 20 somethingth
uneven mason
assume the 20 somethingth
Assume nothing
sturdy lynx
I am definitely looking forward to those changes though. Valor point grind will be great
sturdy lynx
It's cap is 1500 and you get 750 per week
Ohh they changed ? Though it was 3 k cap.
swift mesa
so you can do 3 ilvl upgrades per week?
strong forum
I've read it was 1.5k of a not changing cap
I could be wrong, but that's what I last read
strong forum
Haven't looked much into it cuz it's irrelevant to me
And by the time it will be relevant I'll have it figured out 👍
modern brook
And by the time it will be relevant I'll have it figured out 👍
i wish everyone had this idea
I'm tired of ppl asking for the tarot card reading on legendary changes 😦
strong forum
People like to rush things they have no control over for whatever reason
wild hemlock
speaking of legos. hows the charge/intervene lego looking
i thought that looked pretty fun with the free revenge talent
uneven mason
the same as it did last week
strong forum
Borderline OP
modern brook
smh my head tbh honest
strong forum
uneven mason
Borderline OP
Borderline almost as good as shit other tanks have had since the Xpac launched.
strong forum
Almost
But not quite
Imagine getting leggos that actually increase your dmg
In a meaningful way
And simultaneously give you a new kind of defensive benefit
Which perfectly plays into your playstyle
Reprisal is almost everything pwar has been lacking compound into 1 legendary
almost
wild hemlock
cool. i also liked how it looked
grand drum
Imagine a leggo that gives the old AM back
uneven mason
Imagine having a lego that gives you 100% uptime on shield wall that is also a DoT on everything you're fighting
strong forum
People complained about threat on pull, you get a free revenge.
People complained about rage issues, you get 20 extra rage and a free SB on pull
wild hemlock
Imagine a leggo that gives the old AM back
im a new prot warrior as of 2 weeks ago 😦
signal plover
Imagine having a lego that gives you 100% uptime on shield wall that is also a D...
;)
strong forum
And said dot gives you a shield after it runs out.
uneven mason
that too
strong forum
plush moat
hey guys wondering if oil or sharp ston is better for prot or not ?
uneven mason
its inconsequential
but oil is best ST
and stone is better AE
but its like, splitting hairs
strong forum
Difference is less than 10 dps I think
wild hemlock
ive been tempted to switch to nf from kyrian. i strictly do m+ and think shapeshift is awesome
sweet summit
Go for it mate
snow harbor
I like that phial tho
wild hemlock
u guys are infinitely more funny than the elemental shammy elitists
signal plover
Yeah but they have bloodmallet over there
surreal monolith
we have to have humor because our class is a joke
astral crystal
lol
wild hemlock
i picked prot warrior for alt because i thought they would get tons of love as expac went on lmao
surreal monolith
god I hope so
astral crystal
what difficulty are you bois havin
surreal monolith
they really aren't THAT bad
wild hemlock
not tought dificulty wise. just feels kinda clunky
uneven mason
i picked prot warrior for alt because i thought they would get tons of love as e...
Nah, they seem pretty dead set against giving warriors anything thus far.
wild hemlock
i either have WAY too mage rage or none lmao with CDS
spear, shout avatar, definitely have to stagger using em
surreal monolith
how much haste do you have
uneven mason
Spread out your CDs if you're having rage issues.
signal plover
Also prolly take a look at your IP/revenge use
wild hemlock
pretty much only revenge when free right unless tons of rage and need threat?
strong forum
anyone else strict m+ warriors?
I didn't even touch m+ last week
wild hemlock
literally have only played this class for 2 weeks with 0 prior knowledge
signal plover
Nah revenge is a huge chunk of our damage
strong forum
My chest will contain nothing but 1 raid item
Revenge is your main dmg button Caine
signal plover
Like I said, lenient m+ warr
uneven mason
pretty much only revenge when free right unless tons of rage and need threat?
use revenge pretyt often, I basically only hit IP if I'm getting hit by a lot of magic, or just feeling squishy on that pull.
uneven mason
if you're being melee'd
strong forum
Not quite on CD, use it smart
signal plover
You always want rage for SB when you're taking block able dmg
wild hemlock
im not having a tought time at all just looking for the experienced tips
uneven mason
yeah, depending on ilvl you won't run into a rough time unless your group is bad at interrupts or you're pushing keys above your weight class
like at 210 you can comfortably tank 15s
uneven mason
But the reason why we're not expecting a ton of love
is because in BFA everyone was screaming "PROT SUCKS, PROT IS BAD OMG BUFF PROT!!!!"
surreal monolith
don't forget to use spell reflect
wild hemlock
i only get in groups because my ele IO is 1300. not high but high enough
uneven mason
And they buffed us
signal plover
To the moon
uneven mason
and we went from sleeper amazing to crushing dungeons like papercups
Literally doing 40-50% of my groups damage in 8.0 and when I heard "Prot is bad" I legit would laugh IRL
normal abyss
hey all. our tank is quitting and im going to to be stepping in as new tank in our mythic prog guild. am i okay staying Venthyr?
twilit bramble
sweet summit
yas ur fine as venthyr
uneven mason
hey all. our tank is quitting and im going to to be stepping in as new tank in o...
Sure, General soulbinds be amazing, try not to go ham on Condemn though when you need to roll IPs
normal abyss
for sure. okay thank you 🙂
uneven mason
when I was prot venthyr that was the hardest thing ever, not pumping condemn when I should have been pumping IPs to smooth damage.
TBH though, you can do condemn since it KINDA gives you an absorb.
snow harbor
Condemn is strong mitigation single target too though
snow harbor
I'm pretty sure it's higher mitigation per rage than IP
uneven mason
pre nerf maybe.
snow harbor
But since it mitigates 100% it will get knocked off faster
uneven mason
it'll reduce more damage in that instance (100% rather than 50% of the hit)
but its absorb per rage is still lower than IP
then again, if its dead, it can't hurt you, right @sweet summit
sweet summit
tru tru
snow harbor
Yeah wowhead says 70% as efficient as IP. Fair. I think with lust and ravager up on pull the damage output and mitigation is worth it to spam while maintaining SB
Single target
wild hemlock
someone tell me im not stupid for going kyrian to NF for m+
wild hemlock
i just need the reassurance to do it
strong forum
And I wanna pump
uneven mason
But their tap dancing crew is top notch.
sturdy lynx
I am a necrolord prot XD. Really like the banner fantasy of it and xmog XD
uneven mason
Death Fairies know how to party.
strong forum
Nothing is beating CN mythic for now
So tmog is irrelevant
If anything venthyr has way better weapons
uneven mason
IDK, they're mostly pink crystals on them
really irked
my DK has the 2h and the red is just like, 2 shades too light to be applicable for "Blood"
signal plover
Weapon mogs from most covenants dont rly fit shit
strong forum
Yup
signal plover
Just weird color pallettes
sturdy lynx
Yeah for weapons , I just love my mage tower weapon xmog
wanton condor
liiiiiiimp
sturdy lynx
The huge shield and chain looks really cool
uneven mason
Hidden apperance mace is a bit out of scale I find on most models
strong forum
Flail needs better physics
signal plover
Yeah no I hate the hidden weapon
uneven mason
it really does
signal plover
Flail needs better physics
This
sturdy lynx
Yeah , I mean do far there is only 2 flails I have seen in game and that is the warrior mage tower and pallys
uneven mason
unless you're a male orc or Tauren
uneven mason
yup
lol, well the flail is made from dried bone
that being said, getting that thing was one of the most fun I've had in wow
Wish Torghast was that challenging
wanton condor
I am bitter because I didn't play warrior in legion
but the physics on it ruins it for me
sturdy lynx
I was luck enough to get the mage tower challenge done on all tanks
So much fun
Just regret not doing it for furry and arms
surreal monolith
yeeeeeeeeees
sturdy lynx
Wish they brought it back at some point or something similar. Along with the panderian dungeon challenges xmogs
strong forum
Don't bring it back, that's the sole reason why it's still cool
Cuz its exclusive
If you brought it back now it would lose all its prestige
jagged pier
as much as i want CMs back from mop so i can do them and get the Tmog
dont bring them back
exclusive stuff is cool
and im glad i did the WoD ones and the mage towers so i have the stuff
strong forum
I so regret not doing mop and wod challenges
What I regret most though is not getting primal elite set
jagged pier
i didnt do mop ones because i wasnt good enough
so i fucking hate my arse for not getting better in mop
silver trout
mood... I have a few of the MoP ones on my monk and my hunter
none of the warrior ones though
strong forum
Vengeful glad drake is also smth that I long for
But shall never have
And @shut summit has all of those things
😠
wanton condor
I admit, half the reason I want to go necrolord after the patch is because they have the best tower shields
winged briar
Hello, i need advice. What is best covenant for prot warrior?
uneven mason
In?
jagged pier
whichever u like the best
winged briar
im venthyr dps right now and i would like try out tanking and im not sure if venthyr will be fine
near gazelle
if you want to push 15+ its might not be the best but its enoth to get the 15s done if you play it right
swift mesa
Kyrian. How else will your friends know how great they are?
sweet summit
kinda true actually 🤔
near gazelle
Prot is a hyper fast paced tank that needs to min max every global to make the best of its rage regen / dump to stay alive. Making sure you execute (kappa) you rotation on point will make you outperform any covenant choice.
Kyrian will let you face roll with bleed removes, kiting options and overall best survs imo
lavish oracle
Oh, you can just walk away from Severing Slice in Depths? I've been leaping/intervening away
lofty widget
i dont think so