protection

[uneven mason]

But preplanning

and execution of rotation its about maintaining mitigation and planning to reduce spikes, except instead of planning to "reduce" the spike, you're planning to "erase" the spike

so your EHRPS is smooth

[strong forum]

It's so scary seeing my hp move

[lavish oracle]

If their goal was to make all legendaries as powerful as PTR reprisal, how would they have to change our current legendaries?

[uneven mason]

It really is odd as a BDK

[strong forum]

Cuz as war hp never moves fast

[uneven mason]

take the 2nd charge on UW and put it on TW

[strong forum]

But as bdk it's literally so much pingpong

Very scary

[uneven mason]

Yeah, BDK is my 2nd tank this Xpac

[strong forum]

My 2nd tank? The logoff button

[lavish oracle]

Uncap number of targets on TL again

that'd be sick

[strong forum]

[grizzled nova]

One guy doing 4400 and it falls off a cliff from there, those are not normal numbers in any case.

But yeah vdh self healing is excellent

[wet hull]

Hello Guys, is there a place where I can read more on Ignore Pain stacking/capping

[chilly brook]

It's literally a single boss....

[wet hull]

I can't seem to find a reliable source for that

[strong forum]

Vdh also doesn't take dmg

[chilly brook]

I'm just saying you're wrong about maybe 3k on pulls in dungeons

[hexed rune]

hm, guess I'll look up some guides on DH and DK. thanks for the input guys

[strong forum]

So they don't need to heal as much

[chilly brook]

^^^^

[strong forum]

Ya dingus

[chilly brook]

Like theres so much that goes into it

[lavish oracle]

Healing logs arent even useful for healers, lol

[chilly brook]

Which is why I said the actual HPS number is useless

But figured I'd prove you wrong about "maybe 3k on a sketchy pull"

[grizzled nova]

I mean you're just objectively incorrect about vdh healing a lot.

[timber lagoon]

Pretty sure it can stack twice, I found a WA that tracks how much is stored to make sure I don't waste rage on it

[grizzled nova]

THat's a common mischaracterization of vdh.

[chilly brook]

I didnt say they "healed a lot"

[signal plover]

Have you checked the IP section here

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

[chilly brook]

I said their souls healing is better than DKs death strike

[lavish oracle]

Yes, IP can stack to 200%

[chilly brook]

And it's not because of the HPS numbers

[grizzled nova]

That's the most ridiculous round about way to justify a shit take if I've ever heard it.

[wet hull]

Thank you @timber lagoon & @signal plover, I'll look into the article!

[grizzled nova]

But sure.

[timber lagoon]

https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker

That's what I've been using

[strong forum]

Bro on a big pull I do 5k hps as warri, am I god now?

[grizzled nova]

Yes.

And you're also doing more hps than a vdh does.

[strong forum]

No

Any dh in meta does easily 5k+

But again, hps doesn't matter

Hps is based off of dmg taken

Bdk takes 90%of his hp as damage cuz he doesn't mitigate anything, then heals 75% of that back up

[grizzled nova]

Hps is based of damage taken but dh self healing spikes upward when they're in a defensive that makes them take very little damage?

[strong forum]

Dh consistently has high self healing

Through 2 souls being absorbed roughly every 2nd global

[grizzled nova]

Relative to what?

[strong forum]

To any other tank

[uneven mason]

To other tanks

[chilly brook]

If you're healing all the damage you take.....because of your defensive......

You're gonna have high HPS

[grizzled nova]

That's not how math works at all.

[strong forum]

A dk is doing 12k hps on his big pull with 700cds up and almost dying, dh presses meta does 7k hps and his hp isn't moving

Cuz he does a 12% heal almost every global

[chilly brook]

If you're healing all the damage taken with no external healing required you will have high HPS

That's exactly how math works

Assuming you're taking a decent amount of damage

[strong forum]

Now I don't know where this discussion is supposed to go

So let's just stop it here

[grizzled nova]

If we're going to start counting damage not taken because of a defensive as damage healed then literally the same arguments can made for every other tank.

And in like the same meaningful way if not more than what you're doing for vdh.

[uneven mason]

By jove I think he may have struck gold.

[queen mantle]

if i play M+ only do we use the wall or thunderlords?

[strong forum]

I'm using wall

[sweet summit]

can use either

basically personal prefrence

[uneven mason]

Those are the options with defensive benefit yes

Use the one that you enjoy

although if you haven't crafted them yet, I'd save up for a rank 4 Reprisal (as long as they don't nerf it prior to live)

[grizzled nova]

Like I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, you guys keep saying hps doesn't matter but vdh self healing is good because hps (which is demonstrably worse than everyone but warrior) and because they use defensives (which everyone uses except lol prot pally).

[vast lion]

Vdh self healing is good because its constant healing when it matters

[strong forum]

You stated that vdh doesn't have good self healing and brought up hps numbers into the mix

[grizzled nova]

I'm not arguing vdh is bad over here, I just don't understand "vdh self healing is good."

[amber siren]

HPS to taken damage isn’t a linear equation

[uneven mason]

VDH has bursts of healing when it matters

their "effective" (and literal) HPS is extremely high.

Their bursts are almost always coupled into their defensives

thus - big stronk

[chilly brook]

It's really simple the way their souls work on consuming them is just usually better than death strike because of how they've been made to work

[strong forum]

And it's highly frequent

[uneven mason]

Because Death strike isn't usable every other GCD

which is something that should probably be addressed

the "Self healing" tank has less reliable self healing than emo lime boy

[strong forum]

Think of revenge+IP but 1 button

That's soulcleave

And have that button also reduce your LS CD

[uneven mason]

Revenge + Legion IP

[strong forum]

And have that button coupled with a 10-15% heal

Very fun isn't it

[solemn magnet]

It sounds pretty fun to me

Smile

[uneven mason]

mind you, VDH can also get trucked hard if you screw up and are actually tanking.

[chilly brook]

Every soul consumed is 8% of damage in last 5 seconds btw

[strong forum]

6

[grizzled nova]

6%.

[chilly brook]

My b

Its still a lot

[strong forum]

They nerfed it in beta

[grizzled nova]

And that very frequently is not as much healing as you guys are making it sound like here.

[strong forum]

Cuz tanks aren't allowed to have fun

[chilly brook]

I've played DH

I mained it

[strong forum]

Wdym

[grizzled nova]

Wow me too.

[chilly brook]

I know what the healing is like

[solemn magnet]

Sounds like DH is allowed to have fun

[strong forum]

A dh uses a thousand soulcleaves a dungeon

Or close to

[vast lion]

In raw numbers it is not as much as death strike but ds is the entire healing and dr of a dk

[strong forum]

If that's not frequent idk man

[uneven mason]

I tank to tank, not to roleplay the gingerbread man in dungeons.

[dense flame]

DH is prettt chill to play. Personally I’d prefer war to be a bit stronger dps wise.

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[strong forum]

I tried dh in torghast

[sturdy sable]

lmao

[strong forum]

I fucking

Wanted to kms

So bad

[uneven mason]

#unnerfThunderClapandUF

[strong forum]

Holy shit

[dense flame]

If dps was higher I think war would be fine

[chilly brook]

Let's not forget nice absorb from Fiery Brand since that got baked in baseline @strong forum

[strong forum]

Ye war needs a good 20% buff

If not more

Then im game

[snow harbor]

I think a big thing of vengeance DH is the frequency of their large damage mitigation CDs. Like the fiery brand/spread is up every ~1min and it's as powerful as Shield Wall

[strong forum]

It's more like 20sec

Not 1min

[dense flame]

Meta windows are huge

[uneven mason]

They have what warriors lost when they nerfed AM and moved bolster in our talent rows - Synergy

[odd verge]

Does the lack of mobility with DKs hurt?say, coming from a prot warrior perspective.

[dense flame]

You just can’t die

[strong forum]

Yes pizza

Very much

[dense flame]

If you also have 2 cheats

Your so fucking comfy

[uneven mason]

I want to cry when doing some fights on my BDK

[strong forum]

Being a wheelchair tank is like 40%of why I can't play bdk or pally

It's so slow

[uneven mason]

I literally use my raids druids as movment buffs for my DK

because I'm so used to waiting on mechanics until 0.5s

because leap

[odd verge]

Lmao i'm levelling both a VDH and BDK rn and the VDH has all the flow.

[snow harbor]

I wanna see pwarr CDs be much shorter. Without having to heavily spec/leggo into the reduced CD on SW

[uneven mason]

IDK why they had to change our talents from BFA

our talents were perfect, if singular

[snow harbor]

I didn't like the TC spam playstyle

[uneven mason]

SW, LS, DS on sub 1min CDs

[chilly brook]

Knee jerk overreaction

TC spam was BiS

[strong forum]

Wasn't bis, but I liked doing dmg

[uneven mason]

doing 100,000DPS in 8.0

[snow harbor]

It was strong, I just didn't like the playstyle

[dense flame]

Man that’s why I liked prot. You just were a dps

[uneven mason]

"Prot sucks" - "Then why am I doing 500% of your damage"

[strong forum]

This

I have so many Screenshots

Of 8.0

Where im top dps in m+

As tank

[chilly brook]

I mean honestly, idk why they just don't make tanks a dps that have to do a different job

[signal plover]

Good ol epeen folder

[uneven mason]

40 - 50% of the groups dmg in keys was not unheard of.

[dense flame]

I agree griff

[uneven mason]

and we were bricks

unless you fudged your CD rotation

[dense flame]

Avatar windows you were immortality

[uneven mason]

then you died.

[strong forum]

Cuz then everybody would play tank, and mechanics would have to be tuned around that

[dense flame]

Literally a thunder god

[strong forum]

There has to be a downside

[uneven mason]

72% uptime on Demo shout

[chilly brook]

They can implement restrictions

[strong forum]

Pls do

2/4/14

For every boss

Done

[dire coral]

is there a decent m+ video guide or something i can watch for prot?

[hexed rune]

Think I'll go with Bdk, hopefully the mobility isn't too much of a pain

[strong forum]

Fixed raiding

Oh it is if you're used to having mobility, General

[uneven mason]

M+ or raiding?

[strong forum]

If you're not used to having mobility it's fine

[chilly brook]

Idk I just think they need to lean into letting tanks do damage

[odd verge]

Go engineering with boostboots and pray they don't fail.

[hexed rune]

aw rip, I'm so used to leaping from mechanics

[uneven mason]

They did, thats what BFA was for us

[chilly brook]

Like I'd be happy with 75% of a regular dps

[dense flame]

BDK tbh rn just doesn’t have the snap threat. I don’t think D&D or BB does enough

[uneven mason]

Will be your #1 source of deaths for a bit.

[chilly brook]

BDK just needs a rework

[hexed rune]

imagine having to watch mechanics so you can start walking on time

oh god, I'll have to start using the lock gates on sire

[strong forum]

You're gonna have to use gates for alot of shit :)

Now get running cucky 🔫

[uneven mason]

Good news, deaths advance will stop you from being pulled on Artificer

[strong forum]

Yeah you can do seeds now

[uneven mason]

hahahahaha

[hexed rune]

lmao

ok, maybe not DK

[uneven mason]

they're fine

I mean, druid isn't much better

[strong forum]

Druid is tankier

[uneven mason]

yeah

I Mean mobility wise

[strong forum]

And you have cat

[uneven mason]

unless you drop to cat

[strong forum]

Roar

[uneven mason]

you have roar, which is a longer CD Death's advance

[hexed rune]

Yea, It'll be a learning experience too I guess

[uneven mason]

if only we could dash in bear form

I might run Guardian

[dense flame]

Ping pong hp is something you have to get used to. Having a healer who’s used to your dmg intake is nice too

[uneven mason]

Yeah, having a healer who knows that they need to keep an eye on your Runic Power

and not your HP bar.

[hexed rune]

Now, Should I make him a gnome or a LFdraenei

[wanton condor]

people here liking VDH
Man it's got a terrible design with SpB, I hate it

and is kind of boring without

[strong forum]

I don't like current vdh

I liked bfa

But current is just bleh

Lemme play spb

[lavish oracle]

I had a DH doing 8k overall in a key the other day and damn, I don't normally have threat problems but that was a struggle

I have no idea how a DK would deal with that

I could at least challenging shout on CD

[strong forum]

They need a hunter and or rogue :)

Or treants

The better tanks

[hexed rune]

those things give me a heart attack whenever they show up

[jagged pier]

@chilly brook what editing stuff do u use for your vid?

[hexed rune]

I think that I must be fucking up majorly, oh no, DPS are going to die

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason dash baby

[hexed rune]

but no, It's just dumb trees

[chilly brook]

Premiere pro

[strong forum]

Sony Vegas || special || Pro edition

[chilly brook]

Reeeeeeeeeee

[smoky wave]

Dumb trees and sanguine, eurgh.

[lusty marsh]

My dh buddy hates the meta ms dash build.

[jagged pier]

ooof just had a very nice 22min mists that i thought might be nice for talk over if ppl needed

[hexed rune]

oh god, dumb trees, sanguine and the goliath just went into recharge mode

[strong forum]

Wanna make funny edits of our raids?

You get paid in exposure

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

[lusty marsh]

What are this weeks affix

[chilly brook]

Something raging tyr

[sweet summit]

quaking

[lusty marsh]

Not bad then.

[lavish oracle]

Ye, ez week as far as tyrannical weeks go

[chilly brook]

Imagine if the bosses raged

[uneven mason]

loads better than Grevious

[lusty marsh]

Just take hunters

Tranq the world

[uneven mason]

smells like a good week to run keys on the druid.

[chilly brook]

Maybe I finally cap my DH

Been sitting at 57 for months

After abandoning him after 8.3

This xpac has been the most I've swapped

Kinda nuts

[uneven mason]

which is very nuts since its been a massive PITA to gear up alts because "Oh we didn't realize people actually like getting rewards for their time"

Nothing like finishing a key to have nothing in the box

[chilly brook]

Well started as Pally for prepatch because it was fun af

Guild didnt want double pally tanks

So I'm like fine I'll play DK since y'all are gushing about them

Hated my life for the first 2 weeks of the xpac

Then went prot

And now I'm a fury boi

[lusty marsh]

Makes sense you settled on fury with all that hopping :p

[chilly brook]

Kekw

I mean realistically I probably never would have swapped if I had just stayed with pally

[dry spear]

And i just want to swap from dps to tank 🙂

[strong forum]

I would have more fun playing dps right now I think, but there is no spec that's more fun than pwar so...

Unluck

And not like I can swap away anyway

[shut summit]

tank jail

[strong forum]

[signal plover]

DPS is so sweaty tho. As tanks we just send each other jimmy johns memes after we figure out the 1.5 mechanics that each prog boss has for us.

[spiral wave]

when are the taunt swaps for M Inerva?

[uneven mason]

hmmm I wonder if they've fixed Supremus in TWing

[strong forum]

After 2 casts of desire

[wanton condor]

1.5 mechanics is generous

but also too much for pug tanks

[strong forum]

Ngl

RL Council and calling jumps as tank

That shit is tough

Don't have enough eyes

[wanton condor]

raid leading is hard!

tanking on its own, not so much

[strong forum]

If I can tune out everything and never call

Raid tanking is probably beyond easy

But I always call shit

Even when I wasn't RL

[signal plover]

Gotta find that balance with other bros

[uneven mason]

The only fight I've run into thus far that has made me wish I was a DPS while RLing has been Sire

[strong forum]

Na sire is omega comfy as tank

[uneven mason]

Because I've gotta deal with DPS mechanics and tank mechanics

[dry spear]

Well i was playing healing and tanking most of wow. Dps at last. So i feel more comfortable as tank or heal. But guild needed a warri and a dps. So. But everything beside raid i tank. And i really enjoy m+ as tank

[uneven mason]

and try and keep everyone focused on what our target should be

[strong forum]

I found sire very easy to call as tank, cuz he does nothing except look frwontal

[uneven mason]

since mongos tend to drift off and forget to DPS the other ranged add

seriously got to Phase 3 first time and had 4 adds up, and I was like wait....literally an add from N and add from S was left alive

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[strong forum]

Yeah okay thats just

[uneven mason]

got some low DPS in there too ><

lowest we've gotten him before 3rd adds is 43%

so I'ma have to spend some time training a few of them to press the right buttons

and stop blowing CDs on crap in P1

P1 is pointless

[tardy parcel]

this is the funniest and most accurate thing ever on non-mythic

[signal plover]

mfw I meant mythic

Tbf I'm mostly memeing I actually enjoy mythic raid tanking

[tardy parcel]

well, i don't raid mythic so i didn't want to speak out of turn for stuff i don't have experience with 😛

[strong forum]

We skip 2nd adds

With Lust

Makes the boss so irrelevant

[uneven mason]

There is so much backlash when I suggested lusting as soon as we drop

[strong forum]

Fuck em

P3 is a joke once you figured out seeds

[signal plover]

Ppl talk about how easy it is but it's fun to me to figure out timings and movements and then keep em precise for the rest of the pulls while DPS find their thumbs.

[uneven mason]

yeah

that would be the issue

I think I'll try just lusting at the start of P2

since you have a solid 35 seconds of boss time

[strong forum]

My fun is killing the boss

[uneven mason]

before the first HoD

[strong forum]

Easily

That's fun for me

[uneven mason]

can ez cleave the melee adds, do the HoD, come back kill the ranged adds.

[sharp mural]

Prot war getting any buffs 'soon'? I played it a bit early exp but felt pretty weak and I don't see them around often still

[strong forum]

Indirectly

Only defensive buffs

Not offensive ones

[uneven mason]

We're sleeper stronk

[signal plover]

Which is kind backwards

[uneven mason]

just shitty DPS

[strong forum]

We need offensive buffs

[signal plover]

Yeh

[strong forum]

But instead we get more defensive ones

[signal plover]

Gib damaj

[strong forum]

Kinda weird approach

[sharp mural]

rip

[jagged pier]

more defence means more rage on revenge

[signal plover]

Dawg just crank shield slam by like

Idk 30%

Let's gooo

[jagged pier]

🤔

and give fury WW

and CLEAVE that bad boi

[signal plover]

And execute

I don't actually think we need too much attention on aoe

[lavish oracle]

I mean, SB uptime means we can drop Bolster and for AM and might be able to pick up BSC

[uneven mason]

They big scared about 8.0 prot returning

[lavish oracle]

So it could end up being a pretty big offensive buff

[uneven mason]

Big idea - if Revenge only strikes 1 target its damage is increased by 100%

Baseline

[signal plover]

Ya but I'd wanna ham slam seismic if I pick BSC

[lavish oracle]

They should probably just bump one of our ST abilities, though, for sure

[uneven mason]

which one, Shield slam, or shield slam?

[signal plover]

Prolly shield slam

Maybe shield slam tho

[uneven mason]

IDK, it oculd be shield slam

[lavish oracle]

Do we have regular slam?

[signal plover]

You're prolly right

[uneven mason]

🤮

[lavish oracle]

Lol

[sweet summit]

Revenge is regular slam

[uneven mason]

yeah its a name change

[sweet summit]

Revenge replaces slam as prot

[lavish oracle]

Oh, gotcha

[uneven mason]

which is why you get the "breaking urns buffs your revenge" buff in Torghast

while arms/fury gets "buffs slam"

which is amazing for fury

since you just sit on those stacks till boss time

but imagine doing Torghast as no prot

ALtho, I do have to say, BDK gets some style points for being able to apply all 3 diseases, and buff their damage by 800%

literally just roleplay walking hitting Bloodboil

oh wait, not RP walking, thats just how slow BDK are.

[chilly brook]

So I just kinda speed through torg last night

Going straight to bosses

[uneven mason]

yeah

once your around 205~ just speed running it is the answer

[chilly brook]

It kinda just wasn't fun

[uneven mason]

I haven't struggled with killing a boss since.

[chilly brook]

I much more enjoy getting all the powers I can tbh

[uneven mason]

Torghast was fun?

[chilly brook]

I think so

[uneven mason]

feels like a chore

[chilly brook]

It feels like a chore when I speed run

👀

[uneven mason]

But its a done chore

[chilly brook]

Yea but like idk bosses kinda suck even if it's not a struggle

[wanton condor]

torghast is fun with 5 people now

just blitzing through

[uneven mason]

most fun I've had was doing the endless stuff with a MW monk

and having him do like 2million DPS

[wanton condor]

just shout CHOO CHOO and barrel into mobs

[uneven mason]

something about all overhealing he does is converted into a DoT at 10:1

and he got that power several times

[chilly brook]

All healing period

From whatever the casted heal is called enveloping I think

It's a dumb power because its class wide

So if you're WW or BrM and you get it you're stuck casting a heal

[old flame]

Can I get an opinion?

vault belt has a socket.

220 SLG is... very nice

[jagged pier]

id take the trinket

[old flame]

run instead of anime or instead of Al'ar

[jagged pier]

id run it instead of Al'ar

but i would never run Al'ar as i dont do 20 keys

[old flame]

fair enough

yeah it's probably the best overall upgrade. since the other pieces are easier to get to come up again so to speak

[cinder nova]

213 belt up to a 223 belt

OR

207 weapon up to a 213

I'm guessing belt, tbh.

[uneven mason]

I love seeing all of these choices people get in their vault

then I get home and its like LOL YOU WANTED ANOTHER 223 CLOAK RIGHT? HOW ABOUT A IQD?

[wanton condor]

embrace the cuuuuuuuube

[uneven mason]

I'm literally wearing it

been offered it twice since, same ilvl

LIke "I Know I asked for a trinket from DoS BUT WRONG ONE RNGESUS"!

[wanton condor]

have you considered a second cube? As a treat?

[small marsh]

C U B E

[grizzled forge]

think reprisal will be nerfed at all before live?

[small marsh]

Cube is bae, I wish I could have DBM yell GAS GAS GAS every time I get Haste from cube

[uneven mason]

if people keep talking about it.

[small marsh]

And probably imo

Even if they gut it pretty hard if it just gives SB it'll still be good imo

[grizzled forge]

i mean it shouldnt veng literally has a shield wall that spreads to every target for every pack lol

[fallen rose]

quick question what do you guys think is the best zandalari loa for prot in shadowlands?

[uneven mason]

Whatever one brings you cake

[small marsh]

I feel like Reprisal as it is right now is just hands down by far the best leggo

Bwonsamdi is neat

Bonus damage and heals

[uneven mason]

Like I said the other day, prot gets something on par with what the other tanks get for legos and we all act like its exceptionally OP rather than what we should have had i the first place.

[tired cove]

Which trinkets would you guys run https://gyazo.com/c2b878ea79dca02be81ed14fc78384b8

[jagged pier]

for what?

[tired cove]

Tanking M+

[jagged pier]

spike and scale

[arctic wasp]

is spike really that good ? i've heard a lot is a sim trap in other discords but here most ppl says is nice for prot, why is that ?

[jagged pier]

cause we dont have any other good trinkets and its aight for us

so 🤷

[arctic wasp]

i see... that makes more sense hahaa

[tired cove]

@jagged pier alright thanks

[viral axle]

hows night fae comparing to kyrian these days?

[uneven mason]

for?

They both give you strong burst on packs, NF provides mobility (with a small heal on a soulbind) Kyrian gives you an extra health pot with cure.
NF does more damage in general, Kyrian is stronger defensively.

I've run both, prefer NF

[viral axle]

i mostly do m+ and just raid 2 times a week.

[midnight stone]

NF makes a lot of huge caster packs really smooth

[viral axle]

im leaning into trying night fae since casters destroy me in m+

[midnight stone]

AA is lovely

[uneven mason]

Sounds more like a your DPS needs to learn how to kick problem

[viral axle]

not going to deny that, but there's only so many times i can tell them that i got a certain interupt and they still burn theirs...

[uneven mason]

I've just learned on some packs to turtle up and book it once my SW is gonna fade

Pugging at its finest

but yeah, a lot of time AA will interrupt more than once as it continues to knockdown

[viral axle]

sadly mine isnt pugs... and theirs noone else in guild that wants to push 15's

[uneven mason]

LOL

pushing 15s with a guild group who can't do interrupt rots

I hammered that into my guilds brain so much during our HC prog

[viral axle]

thats why im leaning towards night fae, only person who actually gives a damn is my healer

[uneven mason]

"Going, call next!" for Fredia

now its automatic

they sort it out

[viral axle]

i've tried that lol. i even tell them on last boss in mists i got every parastic and they still burn their interupts on it

[wanton condor]

NF better with caster packs where you can facetank, Kyrian lets you take 3 steps backwards and laugh to kite

honestly for last mists boss if they only interrupt parasite I'm happy

consumption doesn't seem to do anything if you just let it roll

[uneven mason]

it makes spots on the dirt

its a trap

real damage happens outside of the mechanic

[icy veldt]

is thunderlord still the go to leggo for m+ ?

[fierce juniper]

save your soulash from now

[icy veldt]

haha aight xD

[outer spoke]

Which leggo will be better in future? I am saving soulash now 😂

[fierce juniper]

it may subject to change, just holdon soulash

[icy veldt]

tanking with signet for now xD

[viral axle]

i prefer the SS redcued SW one myself

[uneven mason]

The Wall

I mean, we're like a month out from 9.0.5

so craft a rnk 1 TW if you want

[outer spoke]

I am playing only m+ for now

[uneven mason]

k

TW is strong in both

[fierce juniper]

the new lego for prot will be real good

unless they change it

[uneven mason]

its not new

its being buffed

because currently its garbage

"Golly A WHOLE IP?"

"WOOO DAWG, SAVE THAT 1.1RPS"

[fierce juniper]

new mechanic*

buffs mean same mechanic but bigger number

[wanton condor]

hell, didn't it require the intervene protection to proc as well

[mighty valley]

anyone else hope it's not that great because you're too lazy to press intervene on cooldown...?

[fierce juniper]

unless you have no melee dps in the grp

[wanton condor]

macro charge + intervene to a mouse over button, basically should let you start a pull with two presses and be set for a while

best case you do charge intervene back charge again

[fierce juniper]

i would macro sb with charge after 9.0.5

[outer spoke]

I changed from vent to nf, for renown just spamming hcs?

[wanton condor]

60 rage for larping as a yoyo

[wanton condor]

raids are also good renown

[outer spoke]

I werent raiding and without exp i find no groups 😂

[mighty valley]

LFR has a renown drop chance

[uneven mason]

☝️

Then again, I'd rather chew glass than tank LFR

[outer spoke]

I think i will spam hcs but thx

😂

[uneven mason]

also try doing the storyline

it generally gets you almost to cap

[mighty valley]

i'd rather tank LFR than play another role and hope we get tanks who know what to do lol

[uneven mason]

that too

[fierce juniper]

i mean lfg is just 90% braindead ppl

[mighty valley]

most nathria LFR fights are foolproof, but tanks sure can fuck up sludgefist...

[lavish oracle]

Honestly, I basically never do the maw weekly quest and I stay caught up on renown through dungeons pretty easy

[viral axle]

the maw weekly on reset day take like 2-3 mins IF that

[outer spoke]

Which soulbind i have to choose?

[lavish oracle]

I'm incredibly lazy

[mighty valley]

hug the soul rock

[viral axle]

niya is best if i recall

[lavish oracle]

And also I'm playing real casual so far this xpac so if I'm 1 renown behind a week, I'm not too worried about it

[mighty valley]

this week we hit the last renown that actually does anything

I think

although I am looking forward to being a Countess

[uneven mason]

Derps who leave Stavros up for last on council. Then get mad when you tell them to switch to the add.

[lavish oracle]

I honestly only use Kleia for necrotic weeks

[uneven mason]

"Literally no place to stand, guess I'll keep pumping on the boss"

[lavish oracle]

So /shrug

[mighty valley]

every time I've done LFR on alts, council and sun king take forever, are total chaos, and then we win anyway

[nimble drift]

Okay 226 neck from huntsman to replace 207 haste neck from HoA, or 226 60vers legs to replace 213 50haste legs

[cinder nova]

Wait...

If Necrolord stays as it is slated to be for 9.0.5, wont it eventually outpace Kyrian spear? 🤔

It's 10% STR for the conduit, which only gets better with gear, and STR sims higher than Mastery.

I know the initial damage is huge, though.

Right now that's 130 STR, which seems like a pretty tidy sum.

[uneven mason]

that 10% str is at 158ilvl or something

[cinder nova]

Does the % increase????

Oh man that's gonna be a little unhinged.

[uneven mason]

at 213 its 15%

also one of hte soulbinds gives you more str

5% + 2% per up to 4 buddies, gain 2% more per buddy buffed

so 13% + 15% = 28% during banner

CHONKERS

[wanton condor]

think it's 2% per

[uneven mason]

yeah

doubled the 4

[wanton condor]

on a 2min CD I think ti's 20s long

how long does the new banner last?

[runic drum]

Good afternoon smart tanky people. I am in need of your assistance. I managed to snag a 220 Anima Field Emiter, Do I replace the 194 Scale or the 213 Gluttonous spike?

[uneven mason]

15s

213 spike

also, same dude that gives str boost

has "You may channel Fleshcraft while moving"

movement + 30% DR

just gives us another functional CD.

I mean, 28% str for that first 10s window

thats a lot of dmg/armor

combined with the 400 mastery~

[wanton condor]

I'd say that's bad because it gives up a potency conduit but hell, you're only running 1 anyways

[uneven mason]

You get your potency conduit at the bottom

[wanton condor]

right

[uneven mason]

yeah prot has garbage for potency

[cinder nova]

Also

[median tulip]

The vast majority of all Conduits are hot garbage TBH

[cinder nova]

Here consider this

Using a PVP trinket that gives huge main stat on use

Then banner

:^)

[uneven mason]

I Mean the fact that the banner is already taking the 28% str

and increasing the attack power benefit by the 400 mastery

throw some avatar and a str pot into that

COULD IT BE

CHUNKERS

[cinder nova]

Don't think STR pots exist in SL

[uneven mason]

mmm don't they

[midnight stone]

Yes

[lusty marsh]

They do

[midnight stone]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=171275/potion-of-spectral-strength

[lusty marsh]

Are you not using them?

[uneven mason]

lol

[cinder nova]

No? We're told oil + phantom fire is BIS

[uneven mason]

🤮

"We're told" if you can strength, always strength!

Its like a defensive and offensive potion in one!

[cinder nova]

Unless what isn't STR is better.

[wanton condor]

anyways, you'd get 20s of +13% STR and 15s of +10% STR(scaling up with ilvl of conduit) + 400 mastery

pretty solid buff window

[lusty marsh]

Phantom might do better in aoe if only considering damage. But I'll take STR all day when raid tanking

[cinder nova]

Other way around.

[wanton condor]

main issue is that if you aren't running AM it doesn't synch well with Avatar and you give up the whole big chonk of a spear/stomp

[cinder nova]

PF is better ST

STR is better multi

[uneven mason]

I think that much attack power applied to your revenge will make up for that.

I'd miss the interrupt.

[cinder nova]

I will say if Necro is big pp after patch that I'll miss deeply stapling stupid geeds to the floor when they try and gank me in the maw.

[signal plover]

I wanted to go necro when SL was first announced and I'm tempted here but idk if banner has the sex appeal that aa and spear do

[cinder nova]

The STR alone is probably worth lol

[lusty marsh]

But you guys aren't thinking about endgame.

[signal plover]

?

[lusty marsh]

Necro mog is kinda meh

[signal plover]

False

[cinder nova]

Necro mog is BIS mog

lol

what

[wanton condor]

how many revenges do you think you get in that window? Call it 10 in a super optimal manner, 630 attack power, adds 120-170 attack power total + mastery?

[cinder nova]

Don't tell me you think NF is better, it's literally tree bark

Looks stupid as fuck

[wanton condor]

beetleborg

[lusty marsh]

I'm kyrian

[cinder nova]

Kyrian is worse.

[sterile moss]

Now we riot

[jolly spindle]

why tho

it wasnt even that good of a talent

[cinder nova]

Better question - if I swap to Necro does my 213 Kyrian conduit morph into a 213 necro one?

[jolly spindle]

yeah

[cinder nova]

Cash

[jolly spindle]

money

[lusty marsh]

Purple kyrian mog is great. But I guess it's a difference of opinions

[signal plover]

Flesh craft channel DR also reduced to 20%

[solemn magnet]

oh yah

[lusty marsh]

Gd

[amber herald]

daym

[safe pier]

I see fleshcraft has just been nerfed on the PTR. Was 30% dr when channeling now 20%. Be good if you could boost it back to 30% with a SB conduit.

[amber herald]

there are fleshcraft buffs in the soulbinds but I don't know what they do

[wild chasm]

Or that big group of annoying jumping trash mobs right before hungering destroyer...

[cinder nova]

FR

[cinder nova]

Kyrian mog is a rook with feathers and it's dumb as hell.

So with all the gubbins it looks like I'll get north of 450 STR

Which is... a lot.

[amber herald]

is that for necro banner?

[lusty marsh]

Kyrian shield is dumb af, but all the shields kinda suck

[vestal moat]

New PTR out still no baseline prot changes. :/

[mighty valley]

I wouldn't expect any

[dense flame]

I really dont see the hype on the banner.

is the current iteration really that huge as a party dps cd?

[fading quiver]

i hear that 2 prot warrior raid teams with boomkins in the group and rotating banners might be a bit nutty

[arctic wasp]

i dont feel like rerolling to that banner though, i like kyrian a lot and when in numbers it might be better for dps, tank wise i feel like kyrian stills tronger

[mighty valley]

the hype is that mastery gets really powerful specifically for boomkin CD windows, so if you can position right you can sync up for absolutely huge burst

for most players who don't strongly coordinate it, it'll be ok, not busted by any means

[outer solstice]

inb4 they change it to 400 mastery to 2 random players in your raid

to get rid of the power for it in coordinated groups

[upbeat crypt]

what covenants are we going to be using in 9.0.5. i am tired of all my tanks being kyrian and i want to switch to maybe necrolord if the buffs good

[outer solstice]

you can go NF right now

if you want

but the current iteration of necrolord is quite strong in a coordinated group

if it goes live in 9.0.5 I actually consider going necro

[upbeat crypt]

thank you

[mighty valley]

nothing can make me quit venthyr

[outer solstice]

^^

[upbeat crypt]

i dont like venthyr as prot

[rich helm]

think the 20% nerf is ok, rather fleshcraft nerf than banner 😄

[solemn magnet]

i'm thinking to switch to NF today

[lavish oracle]

Reprisal changes made it a week, I think they're gonna make it to live, lol

[median tulip]

I'm not counting on it TBH

[outer bronze]

if reprisal makes it as it is will we be running double time even in dungeons?

[rich helm]

u think we rly go away from the wall ? in raiding ? I mean it would be a insane combination with necro banner

[lavish oracle]

I don't think you need double time for dungeons, tbh, double time wouldn't increase SB uptime dramatically

It does make it more appealing for sure, though

[rich helm]

i think they will go through, reprisal and the banner both are good in a good commuicating guild but are really bad in pugs..

[vague jetty]

how is reprisal bad in a non communicating guild?

it is literally just more shield block uptime

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, reprisal is just good unless you're in an encounter where tanks literally just can't move

[astral crystal]

Fleshcraft damage reduction while channeling reduced to 20% (was 30%).

it's over

necro is dead

kapp

[cedar umbra]

crafting my first prot lego for m+, should i go with making the wall or thunderlord?

[mossy peak]

thunderlord would currently be better, but depending on how much ash you're sitting on, when the 9.05 patch comes out reprisal is looking mighty spicy

so i think if i were crafting one fresh right now i'd just do the wall

it's still good, and would still be used where it's used after the patch

[cedar umbra]

i've got 3k soul ash so i was thinking of doing r3 the wall

[mossy peak]

that's the most versatile/general use one

and i foresee thunderlord getting banked when reprisal is buffed

[cedar umbra]

i think by the time 9.0.5 i'll have 3k for another leggo anyway

[snow tusk]

got a question i couldn't find an answer to in the pins: i am about to roll prot warri for my raid because we lost a tank. with the upcoming necrolord change, will it be viable enough compared to kyrian?

[mighty valley]

they're all viable, necrolord might be great

[mossy peak]

the necro thing is very promising, if still up in the air, and if it does go through as-is would make necro prot very valued with coordination

but it isn't live

that said i would pick nf over kyrian, if i hadn't started as venthyr

kind of your preference between the two

and the three, assuming the necro buff goes through as is

[final axle]

All warrior covenants are viable and fun except I can't speak for necrolords cause I've never tried it

Love venthyr in raid

[snow tusk]

i actually love the idea of being a supportive tank

• that armor

[mossy peak]

just know that until the patch actually goes live, necro is fairly poo

[snow tusk]

i know, but if i am about to do a new character now, i could as well start of with necro

[mossy peak]

entirely depends on the time table of you boosting the toon, all up to you

i don't know what i would do if i were starting fresh, it's an odd time

on the plus side no matter what you choose, by the time the patch comes out, you won't have very much investment in the covenant

so it'll be easy enough to switch

[snow tusk]

my warr is 210ilvl right now

[deep steppe]

Necro wont prevent you from doing any content when that patch goes live

but its big thing isnt a you thing

its a buff your dps thing

so if you're fine with that, should be ok

kyrian and NF will be better if you're a selfish boi

like i am

[lavish hare]

Does banner grants rage as Spear or NF ability does?

[astral crystal]

yes

[lavish hare]

I dont see where it says it generates rage actualy.

[astral crystal]

it's 4x15 iirc

4 seconds 15 rage per sec

in 9.0.5

i dont know about live

[lavish hare]

15 rage per sec is huge

Spear is only 25 on cast

So 60 rage counter 25 of spear? Its worth only for the rage generation already

[coarse kestrel]

what?

spears on a 1min cooldown

[lavish hare]

Anyhow, prots in my opinion doesnt need covenant buffs. We need dmg buff, more magic dmg mitigation. Other than that is all just bs

[oblique garnet]

Everything except the damage of prot is fine rn

[thick berry]

where do i got to find someone to play with because im new im only level 10 warrior

[lavish hare]

Prot dmg is laughable atm

DH jumps in a pack and is already top dps of party

Its just laughable, not to say bad words

[coarse kestrel]

its really not

[lavish hare]

Everybody that says it is not doesnt have a clue of what he is saying.

And I am not here to argue

[coarse kestrel]

"I'm not here to argue, just spout hyperbole, but no one correct me ok"

[lavish hare]

There’s nothing to correct, so that’s why I dont need nobody saying otherwise just to be a part of the conversation

You go ahead and keep believing you as a prot deal tons of dmg

[thick berry]

wtf is going on

[lavish hare]

Doesnt matter, you will still be doing same dmg as your healer in a party when he helps with dps

[coarse kestrel]

If you're doing the same damage as your healer that isn't a problem with the spec

[lavish hare]

When a 212 DH jumps to a pack and deals 5k dps after it, you will still be ceying with a lousy 2,5 the most

[thick berry]

why is berimba so toxic

[lavish hare]

Welcome MK friend

Truth is toxic to you?

[thick berry]

thanks lmao

[lavish hare]

What is it that i said that is toxic to you? Mind to explain?

[coarse kestrel]

send some logs berimba

I'll take a look and see what you're doing wrong

[lavish hare]

I dont have, i am not a pro

Just a nerd that click buttons

I could do everything wrong as a prot, and the same wrong as a DH. And it would stil overdps me

Try your pro as a prot, and a pro as DH and see what will be overdpsing what

Im nobody my friend. Just check world leaders Mythic + timers

Check how many prots are there

Theres a reason for that my man

[coarse kestrel]

No one argued the spec will beat DH in damage, but to say "prot dps is laughable" is an exaggeration.

[lavish hare]

And i bet you my house that it isnt a covenant buff that will@make the miracle

That’s the only thing I am saying

[coarse kestrel]

but for the record, I consistently out dps the other tank, a DH, in raid

[lavish hare]

I am saying that from the begining, you were the one on the contrary

Prot is laughable as a dmg dealer, its a fact not a exaggeration

[coarse kestrel]

if you're having that much trouble with the spec just send me your logs

[astral crystal]

Spear is 35 and yeah it's 1 min cd, still good

[lavish hare]

I dont have any problem with my spec

I play nice, coordinated. But at 213ilvl i should be following my party’s dmg around 4k

And only a DH does that

[outer spoke]

Thats not right

[astral crystal]

you're not really inting even if you don't do 4k tbh

[outer spoke]

I have 206 and do 3k with renown 1 cause swichted to nf

[lavish hare]

3K overall at the end of the dungeon? Or in a single pack?

[outer spoke]

Overall

[lavish hare]

I dont believe you

[outer spoke]

Singlepack with cds i burst with 12k

I will log later and can show u my log if its ok

[lavish hare]

I dont care tbh

I am not a pro player

[outer spoke]

I am not a pro

I play like 10 hours a week

[lavish hare]

Dont need to see logs and try stuff

Never did tbh

Dont even know where i find it

[grizzled forge]

if you run signet on a boss in raid do yall let the BS go through or cancel it

[astral crystal]

signet in raid you say

[grizzled forge]

ya some tormented kings

[mossy peak]

if i run signet in raid, whether i cancel or not depends on if i'm arms or fury

because i sure as hell am not prot

[grizzled forge]

theres people using it in raid for the parse why not?

petition to get blizzard to put an actual bench outside of each raid?

[coarse kestrel]

I ran signet last week for farm bosses on heroic. It was a fun meme

[sweet summit]

Full send that shit

No reason to cancel

[bright jolt]

can someone send me the intervene macro for SLG

[sweet summit]

Wdym?

For goliath?

[bright jolt]

yes

sorry

[sweet summit]

#showtooltip
/cast [@targettarget] Intervene

That works if youre targeting goliath

[bright jolt]

can i make it a focus target?

[sweet summit]

You can probably do [@focustarget] too idk

[bright jolt]

ok ty

ill lyk if it works

ty ty

[waxen cradle]

Still getting shit hammered on the Mythic Inerva fight from all of the shadow damage. You guys have any tips. We are doing the burn strat and 3 healing, but the all the shadow damage that goes out on that fight seems to chunk me.

[bright jolt]

Erga it works

ty

[desert folio]

Has there been discussion on here about the viability of necrolord + reprisal leggo next patch? Thinking about alting a prot warr since that combo seems really fun

[sick sentinel]

what cloak enchant u guys rocking, i roll with the +30 stamina enchant but idk if i should be going with the avoidance one

[coarse kestrel]

I use avoidance, still gives 20 stam

[sick sentinel]

ty ty i think im gonna try that one out

[coarse kestrel]

reprisal looks great in M+. I don't think it'll be better than the wall in raid just because shield block uptime isn't really an issue in raid. Necrolord who knows, everyone says it should be great in coordinated groups but the soulbinds aren't great on necrolord

[placid oar]

Am I misunderstanding something at the top wrongly, that says Prot warrior damage is fine? Like are we really fine in damage we dish out as prot? How so and what are the evidence?

I’m lost

[lusty marsh]

Our damage is fine as in we are not that worse than everyone else. we are at the bottom but the difference isn't insurmountable. afaik

[coarse kestrel]

^^ essentially. Like we aren't going to push out the numbers a paladin can do but your damage is enough and we can push keys

and as always a good prot warrior is going to perform better than a bad anything else

[placid oar]

i see, thanks for the share

[lusty marsh]

I wish farming augment runes wasn't so boring.

[wet compass]

thing is it's pretty hard to be a bad veng dh unless you purposefully fuck up your leggo choice and talents

[chilly brook]

You say that but it seems actually quite easy lmao

I've ran into several bad ones

[candid glen]

Good morning. With the upcomming buff with the legos at 9.0.5

Is the legendary with the built in shield block everytime you charge and intercept a good choice in m+? Combined with double time ?

[mellow patio]

If it goes live as is

Yes

[candid glen]

Would it be charge intercept , heroic jump , charge ? Or is there a faster better way to use the secone charge from double time

Without wasting the shield block uptime

[lavish oracle]

I don't think you need double time, tbh

[candid glen]

True

[mossy peak]

the main point is just to have instant block and snap threat

don't really have to go nuts

[candid glen]

What is the name of the legi again ? Keep forgetting

[mossy peak]

reprisal

[lavish oracle]

You're already very close to 100% SB uptime with 1 charge + 1 intercept

[rotund parcel]

but but i wanna have enough block to last the other half of the dungeon by the time im halfway through

[candid glen]

Oh i forgot we still got bolster aswell

[lavish oracle]

Honestly, if it goes live as is, I'm probably gonna run AM

but we'll see, will have to play around with it

[candid glen]

What slot would be reprisal ?

[rotund parcel]

yeh id go back to am/uf

[lavish oracle]

Legs

[candid glen]

Kk

[lavish oracle]

Nah, you still don't go UF

But you might be able to run BSC instead of BV

since you're spending way less rage on defensives, and generating more rage than with The Wall

[rotund parcel]

does reprisal eat out revenge procs?

[lavish oracle]

How do you mean? You get a free revenge proc with intervene and charge if that's what you're asking

[rotund parcel]

with best served cold i meant

free revenge is 50% extra dam, reg revenge is 20 no proc

so if we have proc and charge

[lavish oracle]

Oh, yeah, it should count, I can go test it

[rotund parcel]

i guess it eats it

[lavish oracle]

Oh, yeah, they won't like

stack or anything

just spend it before you charge

[rotund parcel]

ya

protwar revenge meta

inc

[lavish oracle]

I'm interested to see the tippy top end players play around with it if it does become meta

[rotund parcel]

we wont be meta anytime soon methinks

[mossy peak]

doesn't make us better than DHs, but i think this puts us in a far better place

[rotund parcel]

i pref protwar being underdog than being top

cant just be an ape

[lavish oracle]

You really can't just be an ape on DH right now either

but some people are, and my healer friend complains about them all the time, lol

[rotund parcel]

yeh mate of mine says his dh does first pull sanguine

procs cheat first pull cuz doesnt mit on 20 sang

runs in first pack

leaps 2nd

leaps 3rd

150yd away from healer

fuckin ape

[lavish oracle]

lol, yeah, that's a FotM DH pull

[dense flame]

Lots of DH don’t plan around fel dev windows.

Or pool resource to do a large pull

And get clapped

Before they can even fel dev

😂

[rotund parcel]

imagine planning cd's

i miss old am

[dense flame]

😔

[lavish oracle]

Man, Hpals are gonna be our best friends after reprisal buff, lol

[rotund parcel]

hpal already my best friend

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, mine too

[rotund parcel]

i fear for my life in mythic raid when he gets benched

[lavish oracle]

But having an intervene target in melee at all times is nice

[sick sentinel]

So as a tank should i upgrade 184 weapon to 207 or a 158 shield to 203? dps vs surv :/

[lavish oracle]

in addition to them just being well suited to healing warriors

[rotund parcel]

shield

[lavish oracle]

shield

every time as warrior

[mossy peak]

shield is biggest

[lavish oracle]

it's our most impactful slot

[rotund parcel]

i mean, if you want to take less damage you take shield

if you want to be dh take weapon

ape

[sick sentinel]

oh didnt expect that! shield it is.

btw does the same apply to prot pali?

[rotund parcel]

i dont wear a dress so i dont have these answers :<

[lavish oracle]

Shield isn't as big for them but it's still pretty big, I'd ask around their discord

[sick sentinel]

lol, fair nough. i am gearing both atm so its good to have knowledge of what to get in the future

[lavish oracle]

The value on prot warrior comes from the fact that ideally we're blocking attacks 100% of the time

[sweet summit]

Reason shield is huge for us is block value. Palas dont block as often as we do so it has less defensive value. Weapon would still be better for dps and shield would be better for defense

I imagine its the same for palas

[sick sentinel]

thanks for explanation 👍

[lavish oracle]

What's the K-value in shadowlands M+ again? 2550?

[sweet summit]

Level 60 K-values
Base/open world: 2500
M0/M+: 2455.0
Castle Nathria LFR: 2500.0
Castle Nathria Normal: 2662.5
Castle Nathria Heroic: 2845.0
Castle Nathria Mythic: 3050.0

[lavish oracle]

👍

[empty spindle]

Is necro lord going to be the best covenant for tanking if the buffs they’re doing don’t change ?

[sweet summit]

Best overall for the majority of players? No, kyrian/night fae will still hold that throne

[empty spindle]

Everybody is saying necro lord

[sweet summit]

Idk about that chief

It is a lot better now, and sure it has great potential

[delicate thorn]

I've been necro since day 1, ultimate hipster tank

[rotund parcel]

least plaguefall must be a bit more fun

for you

[delicate thorn]

I don't do dungeons

[chilly brook]

[delicate thorn]

not yet anyway

[chilly brook]

I was about to say lol

Cutting out a significant contribution to your chest

[delicate thorn]

I've just done world quests for gear and timewalking so far

so nothing in the weekly vault at all yet

But I should probably be fine tanking random heroics at 177 ilvl I think, so maybe I should try it

[rotund parcel]

i think a lot of us went into mythic 0 in our nyalotha gear\

you should eat heroics alive

[delicate thorn]

ok good!

my warrior is just an alt so I do not have a lot of experience tanking

even though it's my oldest char, created on day 1 of WoW release 🙂

[rotund parcel]

very nice

if your in melee make sure block is up

do that you'll be fine

[delicate thorn]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/bloodscalp/ozric

are my talents correct and stuff?

[rotund parcel]

am or bolster instead of heavy repur

[delicate thorn]

ok

[rotund parcel]

but like heroic anything should be fine, when things get harder you'll want bolster eventually

and eventually storm bolt will be useful when the mobs stop dying in 3 seconds. instead of double time

[median tulip]

I tanked M0 before the game would allow me to queue for Heroics

[smoky wave]

Vault conundrum for the first time for me. 226 haste verse weapon (3ilvl upgrade) or 223 hat (16 ilvl upgrade). It's the weapon right?

[steel mist]

guys i have a choice between a 220 weapon with hast/vers stat and the slimy organ 213 trinket which one is better since i have a 184 trinket that gives me haste on the ground

[rotund parcel]

16ilvl upgrade

over 3ilvl

[nova prism]

Hi guys one question. thinking of maining prot or blood --> Which one would be the bettere choice for lot of m+ pugging with goal to 10-15?

[rotund parcel]

226 wep and hat are both from h sire so good luck lol

me and my mythic co-tank were both meant to reroll blood dk's for this tier

i hit 52 told him id rather kill myself than play one more minute of blood dk

feels bad man

but that might just be me

[median tulip]

BDK = Yo-yo health class

[smoky wave]

Even on weapon? We're not clearing hc sire anytime soon. Or ever I suspect.

[nova prism]

yeah that yo-yo thing really turns me off especially with pug healers... with prot would i make a stupid choice to join venthyr? Prot warrior is fine for m+ to 15? stupid question but the blizz forum is full of people complainign how bad it is 😦

[median tulip]

What's the stats on the hat?

[jagged pier]

ive had KSM for like a month now

[median tulip]

Covenant really isn't that impactful

[jagged pier]

and our health yoyos if u play it wrong

[rotund parcel]

prot war is fine, youtubers who cant play protwar for shit and their influence on the masses are the worst thing for us. Ill probably reroll night fae after i cap out kyrian renown and finish path of ascension, ancient aftershock is super nice in keys

[young glen]

The game. It hates me. I just got blood-scale twice .. on alts.

[rotund parcel]

i got the m0 scale, then 207, then 226 from vault 2nd week

my mythic cotank still has a blue one

we 5/10

send help

[smoky wave]

Haste verse too according to wowhead

[glad scaffold]

question: I know I'm obviously doing something wrong, but how do I not get 1 shot by the second pull of DoS (casters)? Just feels like I insta melt

[rotund parcel]

better to sit and wait for a defensive to come off cd than to pull and wipe?

[jagged pier]

u need a cd up as they melees with magic damage

[median tulip]

Definitely take the iLvls then

[rotund parcel]

if you can get away without using everything on the first pull

try sneak in a reflect on shadowcore too

is a lifesaver

[glad scaffold]

Ive seen some people defaulting to just throwing ravager and kite around

maybe thats it?

[rotund parcel]

if dont die is viable strategy.

[young glen]

Go in, hit stuff, shockwave, leap out run and wait for dps to kill

Occasionally spellreflect

[rotund parcel]

or just ursols, spear, binding, trees, earth ele, let the boomkin get dicked.

and scream on discord the entire time for help

and to interrupt all the things

[glad scaffold]

fair, so either way Im not facetanking those jackasses eh

[young glen]

Unless you have Gingi on your dungeon team, no

[glad scaffold]

that one pull is the only reason I struggle in DoS

I feel like every dungeon has this one trash pull that's my bane

[rotund parcel]

if your lusting the first pull

tell people to save their cd's for 2nd

[glad scaffold]

I try to make sure to have SW for it

[rotund parcel]

i meant like

dps cd's

[glad scaffold]

right

I'm also barely getting used to not having AM

[rotund parcel]

no point melting the first pack in 10s

if your just gunna wipe on 2nd

[young glen]

If you happen to have a blood scale, you can stick in for one more threat aoe rotation, then leap out

But essentially it stays the same

[rotund parcel]

non fort week you can even just skip that pack and continue the route normally

[glad scaffold]

I find myself leaping away and heroic throwing a lot this expansion...lol