REEE gimme moar
#protection
outer solstice
strong forum
Haste > vers
dry spear
what about huntsmen neck?
crisp dragon
Sue me, I got more vers because of pvp gear >.<
outer solstice
So do i
dry spear
on mythic
strong forum
Huntsman is the 3rd best neck in the game
outer solstice
But still haste is better
sweet summit
226 hoa neck gang rise up
wet compass
Hate so much hate
strong forum
I wish
wet compass
Then again I got the 226 haste vers one handed my first prot box so can't rage too much
dry spear
so this is my sim:
should i use that setup or go with the emitter? (tank is not my main spec)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nERqRaKyhoqyN5J1TiFmvp
crisp dragon
In terms of secondary stats, main hand doesnt do much, its more the rings/necks u want there, 3 Haste rings is a lotta damn power
strong forum
Turn off windfury totem
But seems fine also enchant avoidance on cloak
That leech is irrelevant compared to 2.41% aoe dmg reduction
dry spear
ah right lol. see. i am used to WF in my grp 😄
dry spear
yes
strong forum
Then it's OK I guess
strong forum
Any who, seems solid
strong forum
That one ring hurts my eyes tho
dry spear
that crit versa?
strong forum
Yuh
dry spear
yeah. like i said. mainly playing dps
and i got that for arms back in the days
and i dont have another one
strong forum
F
strong forum
Not for tanks
We don't have relevant cooldowns to line it up with for a big dps gain
uneven mason
I mean, avatar with AM kinda does
1min CD, lines up with the 3min
I use IQD though, because that 4k manadrop on my healer has saved more than a few wipes.
or the 30k heal
its main drawback is in raid hard to control its use.
sweet kayak
Where do you guys mainly copy your route from?
wanton condor
I used dratnos starting out but at this point I generally tweak them myself?
sweet kayak
hmm ok 🙂
wanton condor
his stuff is a great starting point though
only one I really dislike is his DOS one
where I think the waterfall route is much better
modern brook
in general you should be making your own routes tailored to your group. no reason to be planning around warlock/rogue skips without a rogue or warlock
but dratnos tends to be a good starting point
modern brook
I did that yesterday on the night of my rebirth
we just utterly butchered a NW route
got 1 prideful during mini boss that was supposed to be skipped and another during goregrind :^)
strong forum
NW is terrible to plan, you want 60% pride for 2nd boss then go back and get 68%
Fucking awful
But I've only done like 4 NW total, so idk if there are proper proper routes now
wanton condor
yeah, NW is just super awkward, not designed well for pride at all
lofty widget
just get a rogue to one shot second boss, wont need pride at all 🙂
wanton condor
now you're thinking with orbs!
modern brook
9.0.5 kills that fun
wanton condor
but yeah, start with dratnos, then tweak as needed
lofty widget
oh no
strong forum
Delete NW and SD, thx
lofty widget
did they change that legendary?
wanton condor
the one big change is on DOS because you really don't want to do the dragon area if you can help it IMO, too many failure points
modern brook
they're adjusting Master Assassin to only give crit to Rogue abilities and auto attacks
so trinkets, dungeon weapons, etc are no longer affected
lofty widget
oof, they knew all along
modern brook
i mean you dont really need it anymore; honestly after the dungeon nerfs idk how ppl can still be like "oh its a kite meta"
nothing lives, everything tickles and its like
just kick and ur fine
tame garden
Dh only good because its kite meta 
modern brook
only kiting i had to do as a 198 prot warrior with a 171 shield ina 15 nw was for sanguine
and im not good at this class
wanton condor
it's not a kite meta if you have a good non-pug healer
lofty widget
"dh only good cause theyre superior to all the other tanks"
wanton condor
some places are still super kity like the warlord pulls in DOS it feels
amber herald
dh good cos chaos brand
median tulip
yeah, NW is just super awkward, not designed well for pride at all
The worst is Mists, where the whole maze section is basically "fuck your attempts to plan for Prideful"
wanton condor
the maze is like the worst part of CoS without a way to cheat it
median tulip
The best one is Halls of Atonement
Fucking love that dungeon. Give whoever designed it an award.
modern brook
I still hate SoA tbh
iget that its easy
but its also the one i get watch 2 heads fuck up the most
modern brook
old man yells at cloud
wanton condor
SoA is both crap design but also my favorite dungeon
the pulls are great fun but the flights and rp suck
modern brook
They're all boring
jokes aside; no dungeon is good enough to justify there only being 8 this expac
median tulip
The time it takes to fly places in spires pisses me off
TBH I miss MOTHERLODE!
And Workshop
modern brook
HoA reminds me of motherlode
like they just looked at how people did motherlode
and then made that into a dungeon
median tulip
However I am very glad to have seen the back of Tol Dagor and Freehold
modern brook
TD has a bad rap
strong forum
Waycrest, motherload, freehold
modern brook
was honestly a really fun dungeon minus the bugs
strong forum
BRH, MoS, DHT
strong forum
Same
modern brook
which is brd?
wanton condor
it's weird, it's super linear and you don't have much choice but it just worked
strong forum
which is brd?
Typo
median tulip
When they initially said Sanguine Depths was a prison dungeon I hoped it was going to be another Violet Hold style instance.
strong forum
Oh god no
median tulip
I like VH
median tulip
At least you don't have to teach people the routes 🤣
modern brook
Imagine doing a dungeon, *but you can't make it any faster*
counter argument
strong forum
Yeah instead you wait for 17min at a time
modern brook
imagine violet hold
but u just press a button and it releases a pack
and after x presses it triggers a boss
and theres no cd on the button
wanton condor
VH was the absolute worst
but yeah, if you could force pulls it would be fine to a degree
astral crystal
speaking about dungeons
strong forum
Lower kara ofc was fine
astral crystal
everyone loves hoa but i hate the shit out of it
strong forum
After the nerfs
median tulip
everyone loves hoa but i hate the shit out of it
Philistine
strong forum
I think it was overtuned in the beginning
strong forum
everyone loves hoa but i hate the shit out of it
Hoa is shit as tank
astral crystal
600,000 casters, spam bleed dogs, 90% of the dungeon is the courtyard
astral crystal
kill 3 of the same miniboss just to kill first boss :^)
wanton condor
they definitely went overboard with frontloading dungeons this expansion
strong forum
You have this much room for interpretation to do the dungeon but you have to kill the 3 halkias which in itself is already 60% count
torn stump
all dungeons are pointless until they add an affix that spawns a flock of disorient seagulls from eye of azshara
strong forum
So you have barely any room for interpretation
heavy sail
I don’t mind any of the dungeons I just think M+ is boring as shit and doesn’t give me loot
So why waste my time
amber herald
play bear
signal plover
Big time rose tint
strong forum
And tanks being relatively weak
median tulip
DOS and ToP have better miniboss type encounter styles
modern brook
DOS and ToP have better miniboss type encounter styles
hard disagree
wanton condor
legion dungeons were way more fun
modern brook
ToP is everything wrong with current dungeon design put into one place
sick sentinel
I want my bfa Prot back, but with 2 charges of SR as baseline 😌
wanton condor
ToP is kind of unique in terms of SL dungeons though?
median tulip
You think? I like the wing layout, I like the three random miniboss run in the champions wing
wanton condor
the closest you get to the wing format is the first area of HoA
strong forum
Na i have to agree with bull if you think about the ghost wing
The ghost wing is everything that is wrong with SL dungeons
3mob pulls with 17 interrupts and CCs
modern brook
Ghost wing is dog shit
strong forum
The only thing thats missing there is a mob that obliterates your tank
modern brook
Poison wing has mandatory interupts and adds with high mobility that ignores threat (ie: they jump to random targets)
wanton condor
nobody likes the ghost wing, but is there anything else really like it in SL?
jumping mobs fucking suck
modern brook
champion wing has like 90 single target pulls that are literally 0 threat they exist just to take up time
median tulip
It's fun guessing which terrible pug will get yeeted off the edge
wanton condor
but that's like there and NW?
strong forum
It's not as loaded as ghost wing
wanton condor
you can pull shit into the champions though
astral crystal
bring back ataldarazar
wanton condor
you just fucking die
modern brook
no matter
I can rebuild [atal dazar]
but when you die there will be no coming back
astral crystal
lol
signal plover
I love how subjective this discussion topic always is.
Literally everyone wants something slightly different from m+
strong forum
I want huge pulls
wanton condor
feel like most people tend to agree on pain points though
signal plover
Go do heroic lol
strong forum
What's the point of doing baby content
signal plover
Obviously not
signal plover
My issue with m+ atm is that there's actually 0 reason to push beyond 15s
median tulip
jumping mobs fucking suck
I did NW once with a complete melee party - even a hpal. The jumping mobs are absolute cake if everyone just stays in melee. Since then I have every party just gather together and nuke fast.
astral crystal
but the internet points bro :^)
signal plover
Same on jumpers in ToP
median tulip
They can't fucking jump if there's nobody to jump at
modern brook
In total fairness there was no reason to push beyond 15s in BFA either
modern brook
TR?
median tulip
My issue with m+ atm is that there's actually 0 reason to push beyond 15s
You mean 14s, once you have KSM
signal plover
Not that this was the reason that ppl pushed
@median tulip KSM is the reason to push 15 so whatever
sweet summit
Titan residuum and ap @modern brook
modern brook
I have literally never seen residuum abreviated as tr 😦
sweet summit
Really?
modern brook
yeah IDK how it makes sense
signal plover
I mean I agree that S2 bfa was a ton of fun. But the game was also in kind of a shit spot. Tons of ppl quitting at that point.
modern brook
i think my circles just called it dust
sweet summit
Oh
astral crystal
s2 bfa was pretty good i think
raid-wise i think most people hit a wall at jaina
she holocausted countless guilds
signal plover
BoD was def one of my favorite raid ever tho
modern brook
and they just said no
outer solstice
@astral crystal bad analogy... 😦
strong forum
Gimme back TR
signal plover
I mean that's kind of what they're doing right?
icy yarrow
the S4 bfa is in my opinion what baseline playstyle in myt+ should be
strong forum
Atleast in beefya you still had that "yo let's do 18+ key so I can buy azerite every 2 weeks" thingy
signal plover
And ion mentioned they had a plan for +20 meta rewards
wanton condor
s1 bfa was so fucking terrible
signal plover
But "plan" at this year's blizzcon was very loose in general
echo egret
Spires and the gigaton of magic damage ? Pray your pug group can interrupt and cry you don't have avenger's shield ? Anything else ?
signal plover
Kyrian pot/dorf ;)
strong forum
Reflect
signal plover
^
astral crystal
for the snakes i've had best luck stunning them twice before reflecting their spit
rotund parcel
combat, wait like 2s fearbomb, wait 2s shockwave, reflect
then the boomy beams anyway
cuz fuck us
wanton condor
do you run the shockwave cdr talent or storm bolt in Spires? I'd been doing stormbolt for the jumpy guys
signal plover
StB always bb
signal plover
Well, maybe double time once Reprisal is live but even then
signal plover
Warbringer was top shelf
neat lagoon
So is the unbreakable leggo giving us two charges of Shield Wall? How is this not without a doubt the new BiS leggo?
rotund parcel
i thought about trying it with mekanikos last soulbind that phials and stuns when you drop to 35%
but then i remember, you have to use mekanikos
and that is not an option
strong forum
So is the unbreakable leggo giving us two charges of Shield Wall? How is this no...
Cuz the CD of each charge is still 4min CD
uneven mason
So is the unbreakable leggo giving us two charges of Shield Wall? How is this no...
The charges are recharged consecutively, not simultaneously, so, if you use them back to back, you're waiting almost 8 min to get both back
rotund parcel
tbh if you need to wall back to back
neat lagoon
Ohhhhh not at the same time gotcha.
rotund parcel
your probably fucked anyway
neat lagoon
And no but I figured you could stagger
uneven mason
but then i remember, you have to use mekanikos
Yo dawg, we heard you like getting shit knocked into other packs, so we gave you a bird boy who does it randomly
wanton condor
Yeah, I'm honestly not sure what his use case is. Rbgs?
signal plover
They're basically making UW a huge noob trap
uneven mason
Yeah, I'm honestly not sure what his use case is. Rbgs?
If you're a caster in RBGs its pretty hilarious
modern brook
Idgi
We literally have shield block
How does uw make everyone not remember how charges work in this game
neat lagoon
Also NF is better than Kyrian. Swapped and I love it. But idk what soulbinds to go with. Two of them are solid
wanton condor
Yeah, seems bad in literally any other content
uneven mason
How does uw make everyone not remember how charges work in this game
Because most people actually think SW recharges simultaneously
signal plover
But why tho
rotund parcel
i really wanted to take ancient aftershock, the interrupts and its girth are impressive
but then i cant spear poor poor anyone
uneven mason
Also NF is better than Kyrian. Swapped and I love it. But idk what soulbinds to ...
I've been using Korayn for raiding and Niya for M+
Hold the Line is just crazy good in a lot of raid situations
wish we had bettr potency soulbind tho
Like guardian blood vengeance all have potency conduits that are good defensively too
we have.. "LOL Harder thundercrap"
if it was say, "Revenge causes your next thunderclap to produce double rage"
that'd be awesome
strong forum
Anything else but "tiny dmg does a bit more tiny dmg"
uneven mason
but "lets increase the damage of your LITERALLY LOWEST DPS ABILITY by an insignificant amount"
strong forum
And it was nerfed aswell
It used to be 40%-60% or smth
Blizz is insanely scared of making pwar pretend to do dmg
Very scared
uneven mason
for some reason I think some yahoo at BLizzard keeps reading the 8.0 TC tooltip and is like "Oh we can't make that too strong now"
Because they saw what happened
wanton condor
"thunderclap generates an additional X rage per enemy hit up to Y enemies"
rotund parcel
HEY HEY
wanton condor
honestly that would be hard to scale right
wanton condor
really the change I want that's easy to make it just to increase tank aggro bonuses
like I'd run UF even if it's suboptimal because it's fun
but I don't have a hunter or rogue
so whoops all dps aggro
mighty cairn
flexing the 226 scale 😮
wanton condor
I got a 213 spike and heart, I used up my trinket luck already okay
median tulip
I only have 220 😞
mighty cairn
yeah our dh cotank still rocking 2 dps trinkets
wanton condor
I'm holding onto my cheat death until 9.5 though
median tulip
My other trinket is usually 213 AFE
mighty cairn
we've been doing guild heroic sun king funnels to look for the cheat death but haven't seen one after months
strong forum
I'm rocking that 200 scale that I don't actually use
rotund parcel
oooh i have question, how well does spike actually perform for you in like a 15
everytime i put mine on it us like 1% dps 1% heals
wanton condor
I am honestly not sure? Will have to check next I run
rotund parcel
which just seems garbage compared to either my scale or stone legions
small marsh
I just pulled it up what the FUCK
wanton condor
heart has saved my ass too much for me to give it up
rotund parcel
yeah, and some % of vers
tame crag
Hi! Im currently progressing on Sire with my guild, and im one of the tanks. Im thinking about doing the fight with Unbreakable Will, to help out in P3, we get too the last HoD and just dont have enough raidCDs, is it worth it? Or is it just a case of l2p? And I saw yesterday that spell reflect works on HoD, not to reflect the damage but to just cancel it hitting me, is that true? Thanks in advance!
rotund parcel
my 226 absorbs 30k and hits stuff for "8k spread between all enemies within X yards"
but that damage is lowballing it
by heaps
the trinket trucks
small marsh
Christ
karmic plinth
unbreakable will is not going to help you and its probably better for your healers if you use the wall instead
uneven mason
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
wanton condor
Hi! Im currently progressing on Sire with my guild, and im one of the tanks. Im ...
it's party only
so it won't be a huge help
scarlet scroll
wait scale is a DPS trinket?
No it’s tank spec
wanton condor
the best thing you can do for HoD is just position him in the corner so everyone can maximize distance
karmic plinth
or get lucy with cache
small marsh
Oh yeah it's vault day
Does vault loot relate at all to what M+ dungeons you actually ran?
karmic plinth
nope
small marsh
Rip
karmic plinth
i got my 220 scale despite never doing DoS higher than 2
small marsh
Monster
rotund parcel
everything in middle row is going to be crit/mastery heavy
small marsh
RRREEEEEEEEE
median tulip
I think it's offered me that Shriekwing cloak 3 times now
rotund parcel
and you wont get a weapon from your pvp row again because god hates you
A TRIAL HPAL ROLLED A 97 TO MY 95 ON THE XYMOX RING
AND THEY FKN GAVE IT TO HER
neat lagoon
Does anyone know of a haste cap where it becomes less valuable? Like is there breakpoints?
lofty widget
39 %
neat lagoon
Yeah right
lofty widget
pre itf
modern brook
Does anyone know of a haste cap where it becomes less valuable? Like is there br...
no
lofty widget
39 is probably realistic next season
neat lagoon
I’m at 28% without ITF
rotund parcel
wait wait, mekanikos soulbind, hit new mob gain 2% haste!
neat lagoon
I wanted to get enough to swap to ravage and still feel fast
rotund parcel
pull 5
last stand and pop off like 16 blocks
then afk while everyone else deals with it
rotund parcel
hahahahaha
strong forum
Bad potion conduits
neat lagoon
NF is the new Kyrian. Everyone make the swap. More damage. Better kiting.
rotund parcel
and a bad robot
rotund parcel
ancient aftershock trips mobs up
final axle
Right, they'd just move out of it when kiting
amber herald
nf has equivalent kiting because of soulshape
lofty widget
not that you need kiting anyways, so
amber herald
not aa
strong forum
Kiting just die like real men
final axle
But I for one support nf switches because ancient aftershock is fun
amber herald
AA helps on caster packs which are a weakness of ours
rotund parcel
i will probably consider the switch after i get my final path of ascension upgrade this week
if i can be arsed grinding the anima
amber herald
any hard hitting pack really
sturdy lynx
hey Folks, is the Necrolord changes on 9.0.5 decent enough to swap from Kyrian ? Or still testing?
strong forum
If you play around it in raid and m+ it can be good, just wait for the patch to hit
amber herald
hey Folks, is the Necrolord changes on 9.0.5 decent enough to swap from Kyrian ?...
maybe
strong forum
And wait for proper feedback
sturdy lynx
whatever you do, dont swap before it gets finalized
.. too late for me 😦 lol
amber herald
I think I might change from NF, don't really want to but I always m+ with a boomie so...
might time keys quicker with it 🙁
karmic plinth
dont do it you have so much to live for
lofty widget
might time keys quicker with it 🙁
hows that?
rotund parcel
oh i forgot, i dont just do keys
amber herald
because the higher group damage will be highe than increased tank damage from AA
rotund parcel
aftershock is less useful than phial in raid methinks
amber herald
and we can take anger management next patch hopefully
rotund parcel
they will not like me swapping
amber herald
so dmg is going up anyway
wanton condor
does SB follow regular pandemic rules? So 30% overcap?
uneven mason
you could in theory hit last stand with bolster, and slap both charges of SB
strong forum
Not just in theory
uneven mason
and have 27~s right?
strong forum
It's advised to do so
lofty widget
yessir
rotund parcel
yeh, thats what your meant to do lol
uneven mason
So, with Reprisal
wanton condor
huh, I was messing that up then
rotund parcel
pref with lust on the pull too
wanton condor
time to mash the SB button
rotund parcel
get giga block stacks
modern brook
time to mash the SB button
not the take way tbh
uneven mason
45seconds
tame crag
the best thing you can do for HoD is just position him in the corner so everyone...
Yeah, we are doing that, its just the small things, if it works to negate damage on just one person its one person that the healers dont have to heal. Its worth a try. And yeah, Unbreakable Will might not be worth it, and I probably should learn how to read.. 🙂 Thanks for the answers mate!
wanton condor
not the take way tbh
too late, already glued it down
modern brook
:doubt:
uneven mason
SHHHHHHHH
modern brook
my nitro :^(
median tulip
Mwahi got up to 2.5min of block without bolster
That with 9.0.5 Reprisal?
uneven mason
yeah
lofty widget
what was the fight length tho
strong forum
I mean no
solemn forge
I had a quick question. How does everyone feel about this trinket, Splintered Heart of Al'ar? Its in my vault as 213 and debating on getting it. It would replace my gluttonous spike
modern brook
oh
uneven mason
I had a quick question. How does everyone feel about this trinket, Splintered He...
Its good when you need it, passive str stick when you don't
rotund parcel
be careful it blows up allies and enemies when it procs
rotund parcel
apparently its like 3 yards or something tho
uneven mason
yeah as long as your melee are not humping you
jolly thistle
I tried it on ptr with HR no intervene only charge and stopped at 5min with 100% uptime
rotund parcel
and my cotank just hit the rng tattslotto when he killed 3 people during prog with it
wanton condor
it's a cheat death
uneven mason
I've been using it in keys and I've never once hit another player with it.
wanton condor
if you are worried about ever dying get it
dark lark
Is Sanguine Vintage or Decanter's any good? I already have heart of alar and blood spattered
uneven mason
Sanguine is good if yo ucan make use of it.
wanton condor
I plan on never taking mine off
wanton condor
oh, I don't raid tank
uneven mason
Yeah, TFW it goes off and manages to kill the last add of the pack that was going to wipe your group - and then Grevious out damages its Heal
uneven mason
course
strong forum
Fuck pushing keys
uneven mason
that was in that 13 ToP this week that I was #1 on damage
strong forum
Wouldn't use it outside of 21+ keys
uneven mason
felt the carry crew
strong forum
Yup
median tulip
We had a Raid kill saved by the Tank running Draven and his explosion killing it the other day. Top hilarity.
rotund parcel
is not question of can we, tis a question of why should I.
strong forum
Couldn't give less of a fuck
rotund parcel
i got a good one
you get +20ksm
you get to teleport to whatever dungeon you want
30min cd
wanton condor
should Hall of Fame it, and just lock keys at +19 after the 100th group gets it
"no you can't have it"
strong forum
We had a Raid kill saved by the Tank running Draven and his explosion killing it...
Our shaman ran draven for a bit on sunking, when he wiped he would heal for 1.5mil
rotund parcel
i like that too actually
median tulip
A keystone grandmaster achievement should allow M+ upgrades to 226
uneven mason
"no you can't have it"
If they did this they'd need to get rid of kiting
rotund parcel
but thats enabling the people that are already good to get better gear than the peasents
cant have that
wanton condor
nah, no power benefits, just get to give a 3 day ban to any pugs you get on a 24hr cooldown
"I told you not to buttpull, now you're in for it"
rotund parcel
sigma whatever you do, dont ever run a normal again
plaguefall im at 2nd boss cleared like 15 mobs total to get there from start
warlock comes charging in
wth entire fucking instance
chasing him
wanton condor
ha
honestly it's not much better in low keys
"wonder what happens if I run down their suspiciously empty patch of SoA"
rotund parcel
i do my 1 15 per week
uneven mason
Plaguefall is horrifying if you follow the paths
wanton condor
"HELP LIONS ARE EATING MY FACE"
rotund parcel
every other key is sales
wanton condor
or the jav throwers in the end
rotund parcel
no god dam way im doing a key without getting paid
median tulip
"HELP LIONS ARE EATING MY FACE"
That's always good for a laugh though
uneven mason
Like, some how people manage to pull that roc at the start
every time
so I just kill it first pull
rotund parcel
lolz
median tulip
Those things are basically just there to teach newbies to stay behind the tank
strong forum
I liked my mage when he ran that empty pathway
rotund parcel
if i have a dh in spires
strong forum
Infront of me
rotund parcel
its always him that gets mauled
strong forum
With blink
uneven mason
first time I did that I was wearing signet
strong forum
And then he just runs very fast with fiery feet all of a sudden
uneven mason
Bladestorm saved meh
wanton condor
summons treants or earth elemental late into the pull on sanguine week
I'm helping!
uneven mason
*summons treants or earth elemental late into the pull on sanguine week*
I'm hel...
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
strong forum
I always tell my shammy to use earth ele before we pull
uneven mason
mekanikos soulbind
On a boomkin
strong forum
Easiest pull ever
uneven mason
"Mobs flyng everywhere!"
wanton condor
yeah, my main is ele is I have a commandable tank on demand, but wow when I'm tanking do I ask never to pop treants/EE after the first few seconds for sanguine
uneven mason
I always tell my shammy to use earth ele before we pull
If I'm lucky enough to have my guilds holy paladin on I get a BoP
rotund parcel
i want to do a 5 mekanikos run of something now
uneven mason
and round them up
wanton condor
other fun PF runs are when they decide you didn't pull enough slimes
so they're gonna assist
uneven mason
i want to do a 5 mekanikos run of something now
So you can look like that scene from the Matrix, when Neo breaks out of the pile of smiths?
uneven mason
so they're gonna assist
This is best on bolstering week
median tulip
A decent Ele shaman can solve the problem though; they do have a shove spell, after all
uneven mason
MY favorite was "My Paladin tank always pulls the big guys on the side too"
rotund parcel
i remember how big that snail got in eye of azshara
looks like we stay in combat boys
uneven mason
and proceeds to force me to kite a 20stack buffed slime golem to the zone in
rotund parcel
i aint touchin it
wanton condor
only ele, and they can command their pet
uneven mason
looks like we stay in combat boys
Snails in Throne of Thunder was my favorite trap for new raiders.
median tulip
only ele, and they can command their pet
PE? MotE, please
wanton condor
PE? MotE, please
different tiers
so help me if your ele is running SoP or IF in m+ you have bigger problems
median tulip
Oh yeah, that's the Icefury tier
median tulip
SoP blows, IF is ok
rotund parcel
raging quaking dis week eh
wanton condor
IF is basically worthless right now because it's only good in ST and you don't want to run it with the ST leggo
uneven mason
"I heard elemental shamans felt they didn't have enough buttons (8) so we make their Best talent builds have 4 more"
rotund parcel
anybody know 3 hunters?
modern brook
like the restaurant?
median tulip
"I heard elemental shamans felt they didn't have enough buttons (8) so we make t...
Ironically posting that in the Protection Warrior channel
rotund parcel
hunter and barrel?
wanton condor
"I heard elemental shamans felt they didn't have enough buttons (8) so we make t...
you will take my buttons from my cold ankhless hands
uneven mason
Ironically posting that in the Protection Warrior channel
I mean, our buttons make sense? Might be life long warrior bias
Ele shm just feels so clunky the past few Xpacs
and I've played a shm as my primary alt since classic
course back in Classic/TBC It was literally just LB and earth shock
loved adding lavaburst
wanton condor
I mean, I have a ffxiv background so if anything ele lacks attack buttons, but it just has a button for each situatoin which I like
uneven mason
I mean, I have a ffxiv background so if anything ele lacks attack buttons, but i...
Everquest 2 is the game for you
wanton condor
filler, rotational CD, dot, spender, movement button, aoe filler, aoe spender, CDs
uneven mason
"Like buttons, by level 60 you'll have 40"
median tulip
In Classic / TBC the only Shaman worth playing was the 2h Windfury "HAI I INSTAGIB CLOTHIES" enhance build
uneven mason
and theres only 4 differen icons between all of them.
uneven mason
In Classic / TBC the only Shaman worth playing was the 2h Windfury "HAI I INSTAG...
TBC All Ele shm 5s team
EM + CL = big fun
could nail them coming out of the gate, and CL would ignore invisibility/stealth until patch 2.3
murder 2-3 people on 1 cast
rotund parcel
i member a enh sham near the end of bc
who decided he wanted to see bigger numbers so raided sunwell with 2h axe
i miss having a pocket windfury totem too
:(
wanton condor
honestly ele just kind of ruined other ranged specs for the most part. You just have all the offensive tools
arctic wasp
how valuable is leech for us ?, i got 2 options in vault and one is 13 ilvls more minus a socket and the other is 10ilvl more + leech not sure which one to pick
outer solstice
@median tulip isn't there that cool video abotu classic shaman that jokes about the RNG in world PvP ?
@arctic wasp it's meeeh
leech is an upgrade yeah but it'll heal not much
uneven mason
how valuable is leech for us ?, i got 2 options in vault and one is 13 ilvls mor...
don't worry about tertiary really, just focus ilvls.
outer solstice
only real valuable tertiary is avoidance
and I would still take primary/secondaries over it
rotund parcel
speed important!
rotund parcel
cant hit me if you cant catch me
outer solstice
for MUCH DPS
arctic wasp
i see, the problem with the 13ilvl is that i loose 9 secondary stats due to socket, still an upgrade i think i guess i can socket it with veenari anyways
outer solstice
what slots?
rotund parcel
you can get another socket
solemn magnet
Socket isn't worth 13ilvl
arctic wasp
it's a waist
arctic wasp
Socket isn't worth 13ilvl
is not, but i lose 9 secondary stats and gain 7 str so yeah
uneven mason
i miss having a pocket windfury totem too
Yeah, those were the days, I ran Sword spec arms in T4 with the PVP gauntlets and Despair, just spammed hamstring and heroic strike. The Windfury procs were amazing
arctic wasp
waist has primary
that was my though, yes, thanks for the advise 😄
outer solstice
to give you an impression of leech ... over a full fight of sire,... it healed for like 15k for me
that's like 40 leech
arctic wasp
so you'll need like 400 to make it something haha
wet compass
not bad but I need a damn shield still 😦
rotund parcel
Yeah, those were the days, I ran Sword spec arms in T4 with the PVP gauntlets an...
id be in protspec selling war bears throw on all the plate dps from zul'aman and rage/fury double executioner get 5 sunders up and spam devestate until my fingers bled
outer solstice
not bad but I need a damn shield still 😦
GIEF PLZ!
rotund parcel
still did fat dam
wet compass
28% base haste without itf
outer solstice
solid
I think the max I had was like 33%
but got some non-haste upgrades since then
you running the static haste PvP trinket?
outer solstice
at some point I had like no piece without haste
and nomeratur was jealous and in disbelief xD xD
but my 226 pieces were not as nice 😦
wet compass
get duelist and you can have 226 on all pieces with haste vers
wet compass
ah yeah not gloves
outer solstice
no helmet
rotund parcel
one of your rings will be scuffed too
rotund parcel
ya the boe
rotund parcel
and sire
wet compass
have a 223 darkfrost
outer solstice
not the BoE
wet compass
sire and lady
outer solstice
sire and lady are OP
wet compass
that juicy juicy big haste
wet compass
truth
outer solstice
sell the BoE and buy a carry with traders shrug
rotund parcel
you make a fair point actually
outer solstice
myhtic BoE ring with avoidance and socket is pretty strong
rotund parcel
one speed one leech one avoidance/socket
and one bin tier
i just send all my boe to gbank
im p sure im the only person that still does
cept gm
lolz
outer solstice
we do it too
we sell them as a guild
the one that put it in get's 30%
rest goes to guidl for cauldrons and foods
rotund parcel
i have not yet recieved a cut from my shadowlands contributions
hopefully the interest keeps rolling over
outer solstice
oh well I don't really need it, boosting works ^^
serene urchin
I currently have a 207 Blood-Splattered Scale and 207 Anima Field Emitter. Any thoughts on high-level IQD (maybe swapping it for Emitter)? My legs are already 226 Halkia's Towering Pillars, so it's not even a question. Lastly is the boots, it's in my current Lego spot (Thunderlord). In the name of pure iLevel, should I craft The Wall (I think I can make a 235 one), swap out my shoulders that are 207 or is IQD at this level good enough to take?
plush tendon
yea, I dont like IQD and, except for certain specs, it can be a sim trap
sweet summit
you can freely choose how it sims, so i dont want to call it a sim trap
plush tendon
fair, im just saying for people who glance at bloodmallet or dont do manual changes, it may over preform
signal plover
Most ppl prolly won't tho.
plush tendon
also, 3 min CD 🤮
signal plover
I didn't mind IQD for awhile since I didn't have better options. Was fun on pull and it gave haste/mast most of the time.
It's also tons of fun in pvp lol
serene urchin
I currently have a 207 Blood-Splattered Scale and 207 Anima Field Emitter. Any ...
The reason I ask is that I can craft and change my lego and swap things around in the name of pure iLevel, but not sure the wall plays into my play style since I tend to steady pull packs and not rotate small-big-small pulls.
feral gale
pointed courage is not increasing my parry chance...bug?
wanton condor
isn't it from gear only?
feral gale
ah, shame
blazing condor
So apparently having efficient routes and strats for dungeons are retarded when trying to push keys according to my DPS
🤔
feral gale
if the pulls aren't centered around their cds i could see that argument but otherwise yeah they big dumb
small marsh
:P
blazing condor
Nah it was literally just skipping the first raging mask dude in DoS and taking it on the way back to Hakkar with pride
Something apparently way too complicated and a bad idea
uneven mason
You think thats hard, try explaining that "I'm going to tag this pull and leap down the stairs to LOS it, someone click the urn right away"
too many instructions
literally only the boomkin followed me, rest of the group engaged and died.
the 2nd big caster pack
lusty marsh
Or imagine dps not trying to aoe the spirits in ToP while you try and clump them around the corner.
uneven mason
Or imagine dps not trying to aoe the spirits in ToP while you try and clump them...
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
literally had the healer go "WTF tank, why'd you do that as one pull!"
lusty marsh
I generally do it as 2 pulls in pugs for that reason
echo egret
Hey everyone, here is today's "best trinkets for M+ / raids" game ! I'm opened to suggestions !
lusty marsh
But if I know the group I'll pull through
uneven mason
Oh I leap in tag the farthest 2 and spirit shape blink back
gets all but 2 of them
It was that pull that I realized I was doing 40% of the groups damage.
tardy parcel
that's pretty rough on your healers lol
strong forum
Hey everyone, here is today's "best trinkets for M+ / raids" game ! I'm opened ...
Heraldry + spike
eternal lagoon
hey
random question, but when doing keys 10-14s do we actually use IP or just revange spam ? is IP needed when we have LS/SB/SW/DS almost 100 of our time
strong forum
IP is situational
You use it if you are about to rage cap or if you feel dmg intake is too high
Otherwise revenge spam
eternal lagoon
so basicly last resort and not a part of the "rotation"
strong forum
It is part of the rotation
But it's not a dead set answer
You use it as you see fit, not a last resort
It's a dmg smoother and rage dump
arctic wasp
is not only last resort, if you get big inc dmg you can use it too, specially if it's magical
eternal lagoon
ok i understand.
arctic wasp
i always see it as a cd, if need extra surv i'll use it otherwise i'll go dmg
wet compass
@serene urchin if you don't take the iqd take a screen shot of you choosing something else and post it on the dps sections of this disc the rage will be crazy 🙂
eternal lagoon
aiming my prot warrior to be max dps for fast push and not survability.
will see how it goes
still 58...
arctic wasp
that's a good mindset for m+ and farm raiding, not so much for prog
eternal lagoon
its an alt for just fun m+
uneven mason
so basicly last resort and not a part of the "rotation"
IP use is 90% "by touch"
wet compass
If you are trying to do dps why play prot warrior there are way better damage tanks imo
uneven mason
gotta use 🧠 as prot
eternal lagoon
because i love prot warrior 🙂 it was my old main
uneven mason
If you are trying to do dps why play prot warrior there are way better damage ta...
Just because you're not the best damage tank doesn't mean you shouldn't pump
arctic wasp
fair enough 😛
wet compass
hey I pump I just don't pump like a pally does 😦
uneven mason
Thats like telling a Paladin "Why press SoTR, you'll never be good at mitigation"
Also, can we still deflect HoD on sire?
nm checked the Sense list ><
lusty marsh
Gonna assume the answer is no.
I've been sad about spell reflect in raid ever since they changed inerva
barren aurora
223 crit/haste boots or 220 haste/vers gloves in vault - is 40 haste/23 vers worth 3 ilvls?
outer solstice
dps warrior aoe is fine just ST is bad
yep same for prot and DPS warriors
cinder storm
undecided, I dont do venari on this toon
uneven mason
I've been sad about spell reflect in raid ever since they changed inerva
I Knew they were going to fun detect the hell out of SR when Limit used a warrior
outer solstice
chest is big for short term
outer solstice
undecided, I dont do venari on this toon
I'd pick the chest tbh
heavy sail
Chest is probably the best value overall
uneven mason
chest big upgrade.
modern brook
Chest; obligatory dont use pawn comment
modern brook
its a wrist who cares
uneven mason
Shield > Weapon > chest is our upgrade over
outer solstice
yeah but there are BoE wrists
uneven mason
bracers are very "meh"
lusty marsh
Chest is giant
modern brook
just scoket the chest later
outer solstice
no sockets on chests...
barren aurora
chest is big
cinder storm
I am inclined on the chest as well, but sockets are always tempting
Thanks, I ll go for the chest
lusty marsh
Who cares about no socket. If you care about long term you just do weeklies with venari
heavy sail
You could get 226 BoEs for wrist right?
heavy sail
So yeah don’t bother
lusty marsh
I wish I had the money to just buy boe's
uneven mason
Maybe I should look into gold making.
AH is easier than ever to play.
heavy sail
Gather a group of homies and kill mythic CN trash
Split the profits
Though that’s getting worse and worse over time
uneven mason
Though that’s getting worse and worse over time
OBviously
uneven mason
wish I could get AoTC for my guild ugh
uneven mason
The arguments over going and getting a bit more gear for our late joiners or extending and grinding at Denathrius pulls
chilly brook
wish I could get AoTC for my guild ugh
If it makes you feel any better, it took like 80ish pulls for my old mythic guild
modern brook
DELETE FUCKING PAWN
u slow fam
uneven mason
Trying to explain that his slash does 14.5k and if we're soaking and these people are only 207 ilvl that means they have to stop soaking at 60% Or risk being obliterated.
chilly brook
u slow fam
Not slow just echoing the sentiment
heavy sail
I think we’re going to get CE before we move to selling boost runs.
But that’s usually what we’ve done toward the end of tiers
modern brook
thats what Yuhan Blake said im sure
heavy sail
Very good money
chilly brook
thats what Yuhan Blake said im sure
Who?
modern brook
cinder storm
gottem
heavy sail
Denathrius has a lot of mechanics but once everyone sees them a few times and understands them I feel like the fight is super super easy
chilly brook
Imagine
uneven mason
Does not inspire
heavy sail
Recruiting alliance side
Is fucking awful
Thinking of doing a guild faction swap
What servers are you guys playing your hordies on?
chilly brook
Area52
heavy sail
I’m thinking Area52, Mal’ganis, or illidan
fierce juniper
so it seems that the max duration of SB is 18s in ptr?
modern brook
I dont have ptr; but if you're testing reprisal I would assume getting to 18s is fairly easy. I havent heard anything about a cap, if you havent tried it with bolster yet
livid gyro
A52 is the biggest Horde server now iirc, bigger than Illidan
fierce juniper
so it seems that from reprisal, the max duration of SB is 18s
but only bolster can extend the cap
even with 2 charge + 2 SB i got max 17s on SB, so I would assume 18 cause of display from second
arctic wasp
you can stack the duration of SB ?
fierce juniper
to the max of 18 I would assume
inland silo
The cap on anything like that is base duration x3 isn’t it?
I remember them doing something like that in legion to nerf one of brews legendaries.
And either then or sometime later did it to everybody
fierce juniper
I dont have anyone near me to interven though
I mean bolster can ignore the SB duration cap
but only bolster
I try heavy repercussion too, but i can only see once for 18s, which I guess you can also ignore the cap with that, but it is hard to get higher SB duration with that
serene urchin
<@!222212882870435840> if you don't take the iqd take a screen shot of you choos...
LOL, yeah, I only play prot and only do M+. I still haven't selected. don't know what the best choice is. I might, one day, dps but...
fierce juniper
I used bolster to ignore the cap, but then if SB duration > 17(I guess cap is 18), even charge and new SB won't increase the cap until it is lower than 17
fierce juniper
bolster though directly increase the SB duration by 15 no matter what
so i can get max 32s on SB to display
but then you wont be able to keep the duration until it drop lower than 17
strong forum
Na that's quite bad
Cuz ideally you would want to get CD rolling on intervene, charge and SB at the same time
arctic wasp
so if i have 5 seconds left on my SB and i use LS with bolster i will get 15 seconds, not 20, correc t?
strong forum
You will go to 20
strong forum
LS straight up adds 15sec
arctic wasp
got it
fierce juniper
only bolster ignore the cap though
you wont extend the duration until it drop lower than 17s
timber lagoon
Not pog
fierce juniper
and you will only want to use SB when it is <=12s left
or charge
WTB someone for me to intervene with
arctic wasp
can't wait to get those changes to live, do we have a date for the 9.0.5 ?
lavish oracle
Waiting for tomorrow to see if it gets nerfed, tbh
I think honestly if they don't see how egregious it is off the bat, it'll probably slip through
fierce juniper
I guess the duration for 18s max is already balancing it
hexed rune
what tank is similar to how prot plays? was thinking of trying a new character
chilly brook
what tank is similar to how prot plays? was thinking of trying a new character
Ironically DH
lavish oracle
Bear's kinda like prot lite
hexed rune
DH? really?
chilly brook
DH is literally the good of prot mixed with the good of DK
grizzled nova
what part of dh is like dk?
chilly brook
Demons spikes is literally functionally Shield Block
lavish oracle
The spiky self-healing, I think, @grizzled nova
chilly brook
what part of dh is like dk?
Their healing and grip?
lavish oracle
I don't really play DK though so /shrug
chilly brook
Their healing is better than DK
grizzled nova
- shield block is enormously better than spikes
- dh self healing is garbage
lavish oracle
Uhhh
strong forum
Bdk is the closest to how prot plays tbh
lavish oracle
Spikes is very good
strong forum
imo
chilly brook
lavish oracle
SB is just the strongest physical mitigation in the game, though, hard to compete
(against blockable, anyways)
grizzled nova
Dh self healing being compared to bdk is just functionally incorrect.
chilly brook
Its not?
Go ask in the DK discord lmao
Their souls healing is just straight better
hexed rune
DH might get nerfed though. although I'll have a very easy time getting groups
dense flame
Tbh I doubt it
lavish oracle
I think the flow of DH is similar to prot, though; The low uptime, powerful active mitigation supplemented by short rotational cooldowns
grizzled nova
Bdks do 10k hps on a touchy pull. Vdh does maybe 3k?
chilly brook
Definitely more than 3k lmao
grizzled nova
No they dont.
chilly brook
And you're talking about a class that doesnt strictly rely on the healing
It's a mix of prot and blood basically
grizzled nova
I don't know what kind of dh you're playing in this expac.
But vdh self healing is likely the worst of all the tanks.
Their hp is buoyed by fel dev.
lavish oracle
But vdh self healing is likely the worst of all the tanks.
That seems objectively false but really who even cares
uneven mason
right
wanton condor
so charge gives 40 rage with this leggo?
lavish oracle
The actual throughput wasn't even the point of the question, it was about who plays similar to prot
hexed rune
how does Bdk compare to prot? More reactive I know
chilly brook
how does Bdk compare to prot? More reactive I know
I think what Nom is saying is everything you do as BDK has to be in advance
uneven mason
The actual throughput wasn't even the point of the question, it was about who pl...
bdk, oddly enough
chilly brook
It's a pretty proactive tank
lavish oracle
Honestly, the more you play tanks, the more similar they all look, haha
chilly brook
The only "reactive" thing is hitting death strike
uneven mason
The only "reactive" thing is hitting death strike
death
chilly brook
I was fixing it you dolt