charge->avatar+SB->demo->spear->spend rage
#protection
sweet summit
sick sentinel
is too minor to even think about
sweet summit
if you are starting tanking the boss throw a taunt in there after the charge
sick sentinel
TIL heroic leap resets taunt
sick sentinel
Iโm orc
sweet summit
zugzug
odd nimbus
yeah, imagine reading tooltips
what?
jagged pier
but its a 50% DR
odd nimbus
TIL heroic leap resets taunt
what ?i didnt get it
jagged pier
sick sentinel
what ?i didnt get it
You taunt one enemy and then leap, you can taunt another
modern brook
I just assume people think IP is legion ip
sweet summit
odd nimbus
omg
sweet summit
lots of people dont know this
odd nimbus
is it really work?
strong forum
It's very advanced knowledge only few possess
odd nimbus
aahaha
ionic fern
๐
strong forum
Yup
modern brook
Just like "Interrupt" is unlocked for DPS players who are above 1.7k r.io
i literally rerolled rogue so i could cover for every 2 head dps player
best decision of my life
signal plover
I just looked at hungering real quick and you only blocked like 30-40% of melee and overwhelm hits. That number should be significantly higher on that fight. Maybe you're just rolling SB charges for some reason but making sure you're actually using SB when you're taking melee dmg will be a significant reduction to your damage taken numbers.
sick sentinel
modern brook
I'll die before i play paladin
sweet summit
are u prot spec rn @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
good catch
sweet summit
thanks :)
odd nimbus
I just looked at hungering real quick and you only blocked like 30-40% of melee ...
sure thing,thanks and noted
modern brook
erga used to play baseball
modern brook
Erga used to play catch with his dad
sweet summit
also not true ๐
modern brook
Erga is a natural catcher but has never had a childhood experience to flaunt this talent
sick sentinel
odd nimbus
one more question,what is the relation between reflection and inevitable from sire or remornia?
sweet summit
doesnt work anymore
modern brook
one more question,what is the relation between reflection and inevitable from si...
pins
ionic fern
Same.
You know what feels great?
Seeing your healer pop Ironbark on you after seeing you are at full rage and boss is about to hit 20% HP.
signal plover
sweet summit
jagged pier
You know what feels great?
Seeing your healer pop Ironbark on you after seeing y...
that it right there
thats what u want
sweet summit
thats what i call a keeper
odd nimbus
about reflection again,it does reduce the damage from all magic spells on sire yes?like cleansing pain blood price wrecking pain but it doesnt reflect them am i right?
sweet summit
yes if it doesnt reflect anything its a 20% damage reduction against magic damage
signal plover
It deflects blood price I think (sheet still says it does dmg to boss but I haven't done sire in awhile)
odd nimbus
yes
but i can reflect the shattering pain and actually damage sire with it?
amazing
signal plover
For just the magic knock
uneven mason
but i can reflect the shattering pain and actually damage sire with it?
Not any more, that got Fun detected pretty hard.
tired hawk
Hey guys, I want to do some arenas in arms but I mainly play pve prot warrior. I was wondering, is it ok to choose Kleia instead of Pelagos for pwar ?
uneven mason
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I mean, I don't think its going to make or break you
but her soulbind is pretty ๐คฎ
sweet summit
ye thats fine, altho not ideal
tired hawk
as I saw on some guides, arms seems good only with Pelagos
amber herald
niya simps > kleia simps
sweet summit
nadjia simps>niya simps
uneven mason
TBH Kleia is stronger for Arms PVP I would think
with 8 second immunity from DoTs
and a heal proc based offa Crits
tired hawk
I still want to play Kyrian, the only problem that I see is the "limit change" of soulbinds
wild chasm
What, if any, is the interaction with Intervene and spell reflect? Can you intervene and reflect some of the damage? I guess, what all is given the classification "ranged attack"
uneven mason
What, if any, is the interaction with Intervene and spell reflect? Can you inter...
Can't spell reflect offa intervene (spells are not ranged attacks)
if you safeguard you can reduce the dmg they take tho
wild chasm
Can't spell reflect offa intervene (spells are not ranged attacks)
Damn, figured as much. Feel like that should be a thing, though would likely be OP in PVP/Arenas. Good bye mages.
wild chasm
lol
uneven mason
"fun detected"
wild chasm
"fun detected"
EMPHASIZED
barren aurora
Can i intervene the morbid fixation attacks in NW when my pug dps refuse to move?
uneven mason
yes
barren aurora
sweet.
uneven mason
and the goaliaths maul on Stone Legion Generals
sick cedar
Hello guys, i am currently progressing with my guild on council MM, and i have to kite the add last phase, some of you already did it and have some tricks ? thx
uneven mason
Craft Leaper
shut summit
yea leaper would help a bunch, otherwise be vocal about asking for grips / sprints etc
sick cedar
Yep was my first idea to craft these, sadly ๐ฆ
Guess i will have to use souls ash for that
Thx
modern brook
imagine monks doing anything useful for anyone
uneven mason
imagine monks doing anything useful for anyone
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
modern brook
"sorry i dont use tigers lust because then i have like a whole other keybind"
uneven mason
Is there a big nono reason why not to do Frieda last?
valid zodiac
Quick question about invisibility : if you use the invis potion you can run through mobs but if you use spell invisibility you will get aggro and get revealed? Correct?
modern brook
Quick question about invisibility : if you use the invis potion you can run thro...
invis and stealth are 2 different things
modern brook
im p sure invis potions let you walk through anything that doesnt detect
uneven mason
moral os the story, don't run thru mobs hitboxes while invis.
uneven mason
I think mage invis same.
modern brook
theres literally 0 skips that require you to run through a mob
valid zodiac
Cuz rogue got yoinked out of shroud when we tried to skip a pack because he ran through one
modern brook
in the history of people caring about invis potions there was exactly 1
valid zodiac
Yea I always walk around
valid zodiac
Well it was a rogue from a pug.
uneven mason
Cuz rogue got yoinked out of shroud when we tried to skip a pack because he ran ...
Stealth != Invisibility
But yeah, he literally could've sapped/blinded it
unless it was a big elite
in which case, that's a 4IQ rogue.
who doesn't know how stealth works.
open monolith
Only need TOP 15 for KSM now (on holy pally)
high folio
i was finally able to clear my first 15 yesterday.... (i have HORRIBLE luck with pugs and nobody invites prot warriors to anything now ): )
wanton condor
I think only really the PF skip can screw with stealth but you can still edge that pretty well
modern brook
PF skip is generally ruined by ppl who've never played a stealth spec before
modern brook
Borers are literally a 4th dps its nuts
open monolith
Plague fall is legit one of the easiest keys
I'm going to post a blisteringly hot take, you ready?
I actually think both plague fall and NW are significantly easier than mists
Mists is a goddamn nightmare on grievous week
Source: was healing it sweating my balls off the whole time
north coral
tell that to the pugs ive played with 
open monolith
It might be because my normal group's tank is a brewmaster and he is squishy as hell
He gets trucked by the maze mobs every time
median tulip
The most boring instance is Sanguine Depths
open monolith
I hate that dungeon so much
I just timed it on 15 for my first time last night and I legitimately think I'm just going to never run it again
median tulip
I don't hate it; it's easy. But it's boring.
chilly brook
I actually think both plague fall and NW are significantly easier than mists
It depends on the week
open monolith
This week for sure
chilly brook
I'll take Mists over NW any tyrannical week
open monolith
Mists has a lot of unavoidable group damage that makes grievous fucking awful
blazing condor
open monolith
If you don't have a soothe, and you're pulling all four, I'd say lust the trash
uneven mason
I like NW, I've spent so much time in there wiping, that I feel that I know everything that can possibly go wrong now.
open monolith
Nothing is worse than the final room of halls on explosive
uneven mason
and just get ahead of it.
open monolith
Now that I've healed every dungeon at least at 15 with several different modifiers, I can comfortably say that grievous can go fuck itself
chilly brook
Grievous fucking sucks
uneven mason
Also, now that the weapons persist through death, anyone pulling the entire necropolis at once and just putting 3 spears through them?
chilly brook
I'm also pissed that bloodthirst doesnt remove grievous stacks
open monolith
I feel bad for resto druids during grievous week
open monolith
Almost nothing they do remove stacks
wanton condor
I really don't like PF because there's too much rope to hang yourself with
uneven mason
I feel bad for resto druids during grievous week
literally only healer I've been able to get this week
the rest of the healers are too smart to log in for Grevious
wanton condor
"aha, this pull is going well... and the boomie just pulled half the room"
open monolith
@uneven mason if you are NA Horde, I'll do some stuff with you
median tulip
I'm also pissed that bloodthirst doesnt remove grievous stacks
Does Victory Rush/Impending Victory?
chilly brook
Prolly
uneven mason
yes
chilly brook
But that doesnt help me mid pull
uneven mason
it does
open monolith
I'm a mostly competent holy pally
chilly brook
As fury
uneven mason
tonights my raid night so
wanton condor
honestly think I should run the shockwave CDR talent for it though
uneven mason
no more dungeons this week for me ๐
unless I somehow decide to do my 13 PF before raid.
wanton condor
stormbolt is good for another steathlings stun though
open monolith
@wanton condor not running Storm bolt is a trap
modern brook
^
open monolith
Just have your hunter bursting shot the stealthlings
Or your holy pally use blinding light
chilly brook
Orrrr
open monolith
Or you use intimidating shout
uneven mason
stormbolt is good for another steathlings stun though
chilly brook
open monolith
Or elemental shaman thunderstorm
uneven mason
Or elemental shaman thunderstorm
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
open monolith
Or druid typhoon
wanton condor
the problem with intimidating shout is that one fucker likes to run off and proxy aggro
median tulip
My Static has a Mage (mirror image trick) and a Shaman (Capacitor Totem, Earthbind Totem) for Stealthlings
open monolith
Or monk leg sweep
wanton condor
but seriously, unless I'm on my ele I cannot trust other people to deal with them
open monolith
Or demon hunter AOE stun
modern brook
Theres exactly 1 situation where Rumbling earth is better and its when you're in a pull that will last 30+ seconds that requires 3+ casting targets to be interrupted before they goes off that cant get dispelled or otherwise ignored post cast and your group has literally 0 other Aoe CC's
open monolith
What I'm trying to say is that stealthlings are not a problem even if it goes off, lol
uneven mason
yeah
open monolith
Or fire mage dragons breath..
uneven mason
unless you have flipperhands for DPS.
chilly brook
I mean....
If you dont have enough aoe dps to break intimidating shout....
Theres other issues
median tulip
What I'm trying to say is that stealthlings are not a problem even if it goes of...
Stealthlings are mostly there to make my numbers look good as Arms
wanton condor
I had the misfortune to grab a warlock only to realize too late he was demo... running balespiders in m+
jolly spindle
demo is good xd
modern brook
balespiders
jolly spindle
its just played by roleplayers tho
wanton condor
demo is theoretically good
I used to play it!
but there's a severe selection bias where all the good players went to aff
open monolith
They're all going to switch in the next patch
Their spell that is usually 60% of their total damage is getting nerfed 20%
wanton condor
nah, that got reverted
open monolith
Oh did it? That's good
open monolith
I didn't see any updated notes
wanton condor
only warlock changes on the menu are leggo buffs right now I think
jolly spindle
affliction isnt even that good
open monolith
Man I really hope reprisal will go live so I can feel overpowered
uneven mason
imagine if blizzard like removed 20% damage off execute
I don't have to imagine that, they do it all the time.
open monolith
I'll go back to tanking keys
wanton condor
I don't really want this reprisal to go live, looks really awkward to play well
uneven mason
"Imagine if blizzard nerfed enrage by 40%"
"Oh you mean like they did in patch 9.0?"
open monolith
You think it's awkward? I think it requires basically no more thought than just pressing Shield block
chilly brook
affliction isnt even that good
Tell me that again when I die in 4 seconds to all the dots from the lock and the 2 priests
wanton condor
give seismic the bear thrash leggo shield
open monolith
Charge / intervene / charge every pull.
jolly spindle
did u try playing affli @chilly brook
chilly brook
Yes
wanton condor
the problem is that you charge in, then intervene, then have to find another charge target
wanton condor
actually, how high can you stack up SB?
jolly spindle
yo my fury does shit damage but at least it pumps my 1 neuron
strong forum
Affli owns
uneven mason
why would you do that?
jolly spindle
affli is literally looking at timers
wanton condor
aff is the ur-plate spinner
I like the idea but in gameplay there's just no real animations and it's boring
uneven mason
yo my fury does shit damage but at least it pumps my 1 neuron
Fury crushes meters in M+
lavish oracle
Reprisal doesn't really feel that awkward to use, playing around with it on PTR, you don't even need to be using it 100% effectively to still get a lot of benefit out of it
jolly spindle
at least demo has cool demons
modern brook
how u gunna complain about Rapture then complain the spec is just dot maintence
jolly spindle
and destro has chaos bolts
strong forum
Affli is the only caster spec that's fun
jolly spindle
lavish oracle
I kinda like boomy's simplicity
chilly brook
Not good tho
chilly brook
I mean convoke can go eat a dick in pvp
wanton condor
partially balance has the issue that it kind of padish
like the damage is useful
but balance just sucks it away from everyone else who does boss damage instead
chilly brook
"Fun spell"
wanton condor
the problem is that boomie is sleep inducing to play
chilly brook
You mean all your damage in 4 seconds every 2 minutes?
modern brook
You mean all your damage in 4 seconds every 2 minutes?
the problem with boomie
jolly spindle
ye thats cool idea
modern brook
is the damage cruve doesnt even do that
jolly spindle
its like dropping a fat nuke
uneven mason
You mean all your damage in 4 seconds every 2 minutes?
Fire Mage - all your damage in 8 seconds every 1 minute?
lavish oracle
They're not exactly useless outside of convoke
chilly brook
Its realistically every 3 minutes
strong forum
Boomy isn't broken, they're just amazing at spread multi target fights
uneven mason
yeah Boomkin don't need stuff gathered.
chilly brook
Since boomies delay their convoke for mastery buff
jolly spindle
wish arms had convoke
chilly brook
Fuck that
strong forum
Wish arms had mortal strike
lavish oracle
Bladestorm?
blazing gale
boomy's very fun for me, Rolled to play some keys never had such fun
modern brook
93 parse boomie vs 95 sub vs 95 frost
jolly spindle
boomie 1st week
was bullying other classes tho
a 10% parse dead balance druid
for half the fight
would outdps the best fury warrior in the game
chilly brook
Doubt
jolly spindle
i put a screenshoot in this discord when it happened
im not even shitting u
it was on hungering
coarse kestrel
ow
chilly brook
would outdps the best fury warrior in the game
But you're not the best fury warrior in the game
lavish oracle
I need someone else in my raid to tank so I can try fury in raid ๐
chilly brook
I need someone else in my raid to tank so I can try fury in raid ๐
It's fun
Can confirm
Looking forward to raid tomorrow
jolly spindle
ive been thinking of going balls deep arms this week
for progression
even tho its lower overall dps
damage outside execute phases isnt really relevant tbh
jolly spindle
while a p4 inerva gets so annoying
blazing gale
depends what you need
jolly spindle
when we wipe at 3% on farm
strong forum
Well arms is better on most fights iirc
Only on slg fury is better cuz it's more about add than boss dmg
chilly brook
I'm gonna play arms for at least hunstman and maybe inerva
strong forum
Everything else arms is better
chilly brook
Well arms is better on most fights iirc
Eh more like better on huntsman, sludge and maybe inerva
lusty karma
Fights with execute phases being critical favor Arms
arctic wasp
hey guys, i'm having a little hard time with the aggro at start of the pulls in m+, after charging how do guys engange a pull ?
chilly brook
Fury is just better priority target damage it just doesn't line up well with sludge design wise
arctic wasp
Should do the trick
i see but , some times i'm scare that iw ill drop too fast without shield block, should i do SB in between ?
chilly brook
Using shield block isn't a question
arctic wasp
so i spam revenge as long as i have the rage for sb
jolly spindle
Eh more like better on huntsman, sludge and maybe inerva
dude but
fury is obviously more overall dps
strong forum
Not if there arent adds to pad on
jolly spindle
but getting into p2 faster and finishing the boss is 100% better
chilly brook
fury is obviously more overall dps
Not on all fights no
strong forum
On sunking nothing matters but boss dmg
chilly brook
Theres like 3 bosses that arms is better or potentially better than fury
And fury is better on sunking tbh
jolly spindle
no way it is
chilly brook
You're not suffering from not being able to be on the boss
It is....
Fury is better single target than arms lmao
strong forum
Wha
jolly spindle
their burst is no way as good tho
blazing gale
you just need to break that shield
chilly brook
Arms excels in 2-3 targets or 1m burst windows
blazing gale
overall they are better than arms right now
blazing gale
signet fury pumps
strong forum
Fuck fury, why isn't it still in the dirt where it belongs...
jolly spindle
sadge ur all spec fanboys
modern brook
strong forum
Sunking parses are a meme
modern brook
i solved the convo
jolly spindle
yeah like i said u can pad every add spawn
jolly spindle
as fury
modern brook
SIGH
lusty karma
I mean if youโre getting PI any spec is best spec
lusty karma
All top logs are PI/cheesefests
jolly spindle
how is destro above us
tame garden
Cuz warrior sucks lol
lusty karma
๐ง
chilly brook
Ironically higher damage than arms on sludge as well
jolly spindle
destro sucks more
tame garden
Clearly not
tame garden
Fuck data
lusty karma
Note the dps difference on x axis, weโre talking 5000-5500
modern brook
10% damage increase is a lot tbh
lusty karma
Sure but itโs a rounding error
chilly brook
Not really
strong forum
Tfw our arms warrior is usually top 3-5 of our dmg in raid
modern brook
Maybe if your statistician is afucking 3rd grader
lusty karma
If you make a mistake one spec falls below the others
jolly spindle
i still think the arms warriors on wlogs are dumbos pressing avatar on cd
chilly brook
Fury suffers from downtime far more significantly than arms @lusty karma
So I wouldn't say it's a "rounding error"
strong forum
i still think the arms warriors on wlogs are dumbos pressing avatar on cd
Top parse is top parse...
chilly brook
Because the gap would naturally widen as uptime increases
strong forum
95th percentile is I'd say a good player, so yuh
jolly spindle
i used to be top 100 on artificer sadge
jolly spindle
wym that shit was so good
stark sage
shoulda posted CoF
strong forum
Yup
toxic gyro
Cof and dos were big
jolly spindle
whats cof again
stark sage
reck cd trinket
lusty karma
Yeah draught
toxic gyro
Jar was whatever
stark sage
let fury use their 100% crit buff every like 30 seconds
toxic gyro
Cof = convergence of faith or something like that
modern brook
smh
blazing gale
vita>anything
stark sage
cof was from legion
strong forum
Yeah you posted legit the most boring trinket in the game next to dreadfire vessel
Or hateful chain
lusty karma
Legion took the spot as my favorite xpac so ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
stark sage
back when trinkets were fucking stronk
high folio
god i miss legion so much
jolly spindle
it wasnt that boring wtf
modern brook
It did nothing
jolly spindle
it had a cool effect?
high folio
the power fantasy was top tier in legion
modern brook
"black circle"
stark sage
torment was just a passive damage trinket, idk did nothing interesting
chilly brook
game was shit
Imagine saying legion was shit.....
lusty karma
Gonna go leap out of my sky fortress to a zone brb
jolly spindle
bfa was shit
chilly brook
Only one of the best xpacs they ever made
lusty karma
Thor style
chilly brook
Arguably 2nd best
jolly spindle
based
toxic gyro
Deathbringers will 
high folio
in legion even "shit specs' were busted
chilly brook
You slap my pp in dps
high folio
it was wonderful
lusty karma
Yeah man wow sucks continues playing wow 16 years later
jolly spindle
can they remove the rage cost on shield block on prot tho
it feels so weird to play
uneven mason
yeah its always had a rage cost
"Please remove this thing that makes me look bad when I overpump"
lusty karma
Rage dumping would actually be annoying if they did that I think
modern brook
in legion even "shit specs' were busted
no they were shit
lusty karma
SB>Revenge|IP depends on what you wanna do
modern brook
and i feel more rage starved than arms
stop ignoring pain so much
lusty karma
You should almost always have rage for SB though
jolly spindle
stop ignoring pain so much
condemn is my defensive
modern brook
๐คทโโ๏ธ
lusty karma
Like make sure you donโt dump into IP if SB is about to come up
high folio
no they were shit
i dunno man wasnt prot considered bad back then? i could be mistaken
lusty karma
Condemn the pain away
modern brook
"I want to sb to have no rage so i can press condemm" is literally "I take bolster but never press it"
jolly spindle
my stats do be popping tho
lusty karma
Prot in M+ was god tier in Legion
stark sage
legion prot was fucking manly
uneven mason
i dunno man wasnt prot considered bad back then? i could be mistaken
Certainly mistaken, TFW Prot could solo tank some boss mechanics that other tanks got obliterated by.
jolly spindle
lusty karma
I did more damage than DPS
wet dust
Hi, decided to pass by to ask about covenants
lusty karma
If you got the right leggos
uneven mason
Hi, decided to pass by to ask about covenants
Ask away
lusty karma
Which I did with Kaku and Tlords
wet dust
I saw the pinned messaged but wanted to come over to confirm
high folio
Certainly mistaken, TFW Prot could solo tank some boss mechanics that other tank...
im mostly refering to post IP nerf. again i could just be dumb
lusty karma
They did nerf IP hard at start because it was god tier though
uneven mason
oh yeah
lusty karma
That hurt but we still clapped
uneven mason
we were still stronk
chilly brook
and i feel more rage starved than arms
Arms isn't even that rage starved
wet dust
I saw MANY guides overhyping condem and builds around but not finding many good references in tanking covenants
lusty karma
We sucked in some of the raids due to high magic damage
And Bear just had broken spell damage reduction
Comparatively
modern brook
I saw MANY guides overhyping condem and builds around but not finding many good ...
condemn on prot is not something that should be overhyped
its good
in the sense that execute is good
uneven mason
outside cooldowns
still not rage starved
jolly spindle
u are tho
lusty karma
Idk Iโm not a fan of condemn, here make the most linear part of my rotation take up more of it
uneven mason
You mean rage starved by "I can't press a 40 rage execute every GCD?" or "Standing there waiting for rage"
jolly spindle
yes
lusty karma
Spear has a lot more fun use cases
uneven mason
because if its "Standing there waiting etc.." thats on you
chilly brook
I mean you dont save for 40 rage....
And anyways you almost always have a free global with overpower
lusty karma
^
jolly spindle
ye i know lol
high folio
speaking of condemn is better to spam your ass off your only use it when you have 40 rage?
modern brook
speaking of condemn is better to spam your ass off your only use it when you hav...
the damage gain is linear
uneven mason
??
modern brook
so damage per rage is always the same
lusty karma
One could say Arms is about Anger Management
modern brook
you dont get anything by pooling it
wet dust
Well, I do want a balance for both going dps or tanking
high folio
ahh okay gotcha, im good then
wet dust
Not sure if gonna go arms or fury but even then what covenant is the rigth mixture to alternate?
uneven mason
Well, I do want a balance for both going dps or tanking
Kyrian, NF and Venthyr are all strong for both
modern brook
Well, I do want a balance for both going dps or tanking
you dont need condemn to do damage
wet dust
I know condem is not mandatory
modern brook
Spear and AA are both very strong especially as a 2nd + targets are introduced
uneven mason
But Venthyr soulbinds make up a great deal for some other stuff
modern brook
the biggest issue with going venthyr is that you officially have no good potency conduits
uneven mason
since General Draven is big bucks
wet dust
But checking what covenant could help if i wanna swap specs the more
uneven mason
the biggest issue with going venthyr is that you officially have no good potency...
Basically this
chilly brook
Call me weird but I like the rage management of arms @uneven mason
modern brook
NF and kyrian also have very strong soulbinds
jolly spindle
Call me weird but I like the rage management of arms <@123448908838862849>
i like it too
uneven mason
wat
modern brook
not u ikari lol
jolly spindle
xd
lavish oracle
make Anger Management baseline
uneven mason
eh
lusty karma
Arms for PvP feels god tier again
chilly brook
make Anger Management baseline
Big facts
spiral prism
Hey folks, new wanderer here. I'm looking for some leggo advice. Atm I have The Wall 210 and Thunderlords 210. I'm wondering whether to upgrade Thunderlords to max or make a 210 Unbreakable will. I do almost exclusively M+
lusty karma
Return to glory
uneven mason
I've over the "make AM baseline"
uneven mason
I'm on to the "make indom healing baseline for al l3 specs"
modern brook
Hey folks, new wanderer here. I'm looking for some leggo advice. Atm I have The ...
UW sucks currently and wont be good next patch either
lusty karma
High keys wall becomes more useful
wet dust
Well, assuming no big change comes soon, what's the big diference between NF and Kirian?
chilly brook
Hey folks, new wanderer here. I'm looking for some leggo advice. Atm I have The ...
Unbreakable will is garbage
modern brook
fuck anyonew ho says otherwise they're wrong
eiher upgrade wall/TLord based on personal prefernce or make a reprisal or pool ash until things are released
chilly brook
UW is actual trash
uneven mason
Hey folks, new wanderer here. I'm looking for some leggo advice. Atm I have The ...
UW is pretty ๐คฎ
The Wall gives you more uses of SW, better RPS
lusty karma
Make signet and meme
modern brook
Well, assuming no big change comes soon, what's the big diference between NF and...
mog mostly
lavish oracle
Nah, UW would just never be your first pick
uneven mason
mog mostly
SPear lines up with our CDs better
modern brook
UW wont be my 2nd pick either
lusty karma
Kyrian pot is really really really nice for necrotic
spiral prism
I had thought about Reprisal. The changes to it look interesting - a way to charge in with everything ready to go
uneven mason
UW is horrible since the charges recycle consecutively not simultaneously
Repraisal is flat out OP for M+
but shhhhh
spiral prism
But then by the time it comes out, I'll have enough to craft it anyways.
chilly brook
UW is horrible since the charges recycle consecutively not simultaneously
The effect is meh too
modern brook
I had thought about Reprisal. The changes to it look interesting - a way to char...
its looking much better. dont burn the ash until .0.5 if you're interested in it
lavish oracle
Like imagine being in a 25 key, a mechanic like Severing Smash is basically wiping your whole group and you have the ability to bring along a 25% DR
on a 2 minute CD, with 2 charges
modern brook
Like imagine being in a 25 key, a mechanic like Severing Smash is basically wipi...
You mean feint on a 4 minute cd?
spiral prism
Slight confession...I went necrolord. >.>
modern brook
if you're in a 25 and your dps arent using personals for raid damage you got other problems
lavish oracle
in what world do you have a 4 minute CD on shield wall if you have 2 leggo slots?
Either you're playing AM or you already have The Wall equipped
modern brook
And my dps are still monkeys
lusty karma
Well necro might be meta buff-bitch next patch
lavish oracle
I mean, that shit might kill them through personals
uneven mason
in what world do you have a 4 minute CD on shield wall if you have 2 leggo slots...
Adding a 2nd lego to that equation isn't just moving goalposts, its just removing them
spiral prism
I mean, that shit might kill them through personals
That does sound kinda hilarious to me....
lavish oracle
Adding a 2nd lego to that equation isn't just moving goalposts, its just removin...
I specifically was making the argument that you would wear it situationally as a 2nd leggo, so no, that is the original goal post
chilly brook
There are just better picks
lusty karma
I imagine when they add 2 weโll slowly move towards top 2 dps leggoโs
chilly brook
And better ways to deal
modern brook
I imagine when they add 2 weโll slowly move towards top 2 dps leggoโs
Misshapen mirror
uneven mason
I'd wear wall and reprisal
chilly brook
Unless we have a Legion esque situation where you had to have prydaz on hyrja
spiral prism
I think I'll upgrade wall for now. I like having SW being readily accessible.
uneven mason
or reprisal and seismic
lusty karma
Yeah
uneven mason
yeah TW is big
lusty karma
Wall is great
lavish oracle
I don't know that there is a better way to deal with it? like a tank losing a leggo slot for a very powerful group CD seems like a good trade
chilly brook
But even then you're cucking yourself for the whole dungeon since we don't get to swap gear
chilly brook
I don't know that there is a better way to deal with it? like a tank losing a le...
Bringing a specific class is a far better option
uneven mason
if they made the charges recycle simultaneously
chilly brook
I.e. something like AMZ/Spirit Shell etc.
uneven mason
I might consider it for M+ situations where I know there is a big nasty group wide kaboom
if AM applied to both CDs at once
lusty karma
Wait charges donโt happen simultaneously really? Yikes
uneven mason
Wait charges donโt happen simultaneously really? Yikes
None of them do.
if they did we'd only like like 24% haste to have 100% SB uptime
high folio
if we get the two leggos UW/Wall combo will be fun i think
lusty karma
Sounds good to me
chilly brook
It would be far better if we actually could just swap equipment freely in m+.....
lusty karma
Heheheh
uneven mason
It would be far better if we actually could just swap equipment freely in m+.......
Hey now, they fun detected that long ago.
chilly brook
That thing they took away in BFA
lusty karma
Canโt have people having fun
uneven mason
THat being said, tanking keys when "forgetting" to swap my legos is still a blast
modern brook
It would be far better if we actually could just swap equipment freely in m+.......
good change tbh
lusty karma
We need playtime metrics
uneven mason
"Did you just bladestorm?" - "Yup"
lusty karma
Just be like โnew Prot metaโ no one will know
People think weโre garbage and donโt know about the class rn anyways
modern brook
ppl stillthink you maintain IP so
lavish oracle
I have literally not run into anyone trash talking prot since like pre-raid release
lusty karma
Oh I have
Got into a 15 and rsham said Prot was garbage, proceeded to tank flawlessly to shut him up
If you pug you will
lavish oracle
I do pug
lusty karma
Guildies keep trolling telling me to go VDH
I donโt play bitch classes tho so bad luck for them
If I want to rub my nipples and wear tight leather Iโll go play rogue
lavish oracle
I'm just leveling all the tanks for when Valor comes out and I can rush them all to 220 gear ๐
patent osprey
Keep the Prot Dream Alive friends ^.^ 
lavish oracle
Or like...do callings to get them to 220, anyways
chilly brook
I have literally not run into anyone trash talking prot since like pre-raid rele...
I got kicked from a 15 after getting accepted and I quote "because the group decided they didn't want to wipe on second boss of SD because the prot warrior ate all the shamans mana"
shut summit
spiral prism
I'm tempted to roll a survival hunter out of nothing save pure bloody minded spite.
lavish oracle
Ouch
amber herald
lmao
uneven mason
I got told prot was garbage by a resto druid - Who I was beating in healing done with how much I had to turtle up into IP his healing was so crap.
lavish oracle
Yeah, if anyone doesn't like prot warrior, they're probably just screening me before they invite me to the key, y'know?
amber herald
people have no idea how to heal prot warrior a lot of the time
chilly brook
I got told prot was garbage by a resto druid - Who I was beating in healing done...
I dislike running with resto so much this season
amber herald
I have a friend who heals nothing but 20< with a DH tank, and I hate doing keys with them
lavish oracle
I usually get a lot of compliments on how easy I am to heal, I unno
I feel like prot is pretty straight forward to heal
if they're low health, they need healing
๐
lusty karma
I got told prot was garbage by a resto druid - Who I was beating in healing done...
๐
amber herald
I think it's more when to expect healing and not
uneven mason
We take forever to die
lusty karma
The issue is kite meta
uneven mason
when played 100% defensively
lusty karma
Fucking hate it personally
My fantasy isnโt hitting something and running away thatโs Hunter fantasy
lavish oracle
I did have a holy pally who would just let me sit on 40% and 4 stacks of grievous earlier this week so they could pull like 3k dps on bosses, that was spooky
high folio
i cant fucking stand kite meta either, thats what makes prot f tier in keys
lusty karma
I see a lot of DHs die to things I wouldn't
Lol yep
high folio
I see a lot of DHs die to things I wouldn't
same
lavish oracle
I've heard 2nd hand that FotM DHs are the worst tanks to heal
lusty karma
All the fotm Prot went VDH
lavish oracle
Because they don't know how to play their class and they think they're invincible
high folio
FotM?
lavish oracle
Flavor of the Month
lusty karma
^
high folio
ahhhh
chilly brook
It's weird to me too
lusty karma
Prot main since wotlk canโt stop now
chilly brook
Cuz DH is like prot mixed with DK
median tulip
Sure. The type of player that chases FotM power rather than learning how to maximise the class they have is never going to be as good as a dedicated main spec player.
high folio
i hate that monks are FotM atm bc brew is my second fav tank to play but i feel like a scum bag and a bandwagon jumper
chilly brook
It should be super straight forward
coarse kestrel
thought brewmaster was regarded as not fotm
modern brook
fuck dh tbh
high folio
VDH and brew are the best m+ tanks rn by a fair margin
lavish oracle
Eh, I think people were hype on Brew before the expansion released
now it's just okay
modern brook
Im not sure ive seen a non ww monk this expac yet
lavish oracle
I also think Bear is better than brew for M+
elfin cradle
Brewmaster is pretty FotM, a few of my guildies keep trying to get me to play mine.
high folio
i mean brew is fucking strong tbh, i was mass pulling m0's at a 150 ilvl
median tulip
If that Reprisal buff goes live we will see a flood of people come back to Prot
high folio
well they kite super well which is what is needed
amber herald
I found it hard to play brew because their HP is so much different than ours
modern brook
i mean brew is fucking strong tbh, i was mass pulling m0's at a 150 ilvl
not exactly a reliable metric
lavish oracle
I don't think the reprisal legendary buff would bring anyone back to prot immediately
high folio
not exactly a reliable metric
of course no but i feel like thats something at least
amber herald
bear is awesome because incarn
lavish oracle
the necro changes might
median tulip
Bear is definitely a better pick
I don't think I've seen a Bear in months. Every Druid goes Boomie now
modern brook
idg necro hype tbh
oh yeah i get to be a buff bitch yessss
just make it fucking crusade
lavish oracle
The necro changes will bring some high level players back to prot and then by proxy that'll bring in a bunch of other players back
high folio
my first thought when i saw the necro buff was its gonna be nuts in pvp
coarse kestrel
"prot warrior is trash without group buff from necro"
lavish oracle
I don't think Necro is a good option for most players
coarse kestrel
just like right now we get "prot warrior is trash without kyrian spear and potion"
lavish oracle
but people are still gonna ask for Necro warrior for their 15 pug M+ keys because that's how the community works
modern brook
just like right now we get "prot warrior is trash without kyrian spear and potio...
we just get prot warrior is trash
idt anyone thinks spear makes it
at least id hope not
median tulip
I'm straight up not playing Necro. I loathe Maldraxxus with a passion
high folio
we just get prot warrior is trash
this ๐ฆ
modern brook
my guy malds for maldraxxus
elfin cradle
I'm loving being Kleia Kyrian not sure if I'll switch atm.
modern brook
I'm loving being Kleia Kyrian not sure if I'll switch atm.
kleia simps unite
chilly brook
Go niya
high folio
i wanted to be venthy prot from the get go and i dont plan on changing
modern brook
I'm going into the fray if u know what im saying
coarse kestrel
I've seen a few people arguing that prot warrior can't get aggro without spear in m+. People are just big on exaggerating things
modern brook
(I'm saying im getting 10% haste and 5% crit for playing the game)
lavish oracle
Yeah, if I were to somehow end up in a like World top 10 guild, I'd consider going necro, otherwise nah
modern brook
I've seen a few people arguing that prot warrior can't get aggro without spear i...
My general rule of thumb is if someone ever says "Only" or "just" in a statement, its wrong
they're echoing something they vaguely understand or are memeing
amber herald
people are just very very dumb
modern brook
ie: just use the shield 4head
median tulip
My general rule of thumb is if someone ever says "Only" or "just" in a statement...
Same way anything before the word "but" in a sentence is just noise
lavish oracle
Wait, what? prot has an AoE taunt
half nymph
Hey everyone, new here. I am going through YouTube for a prot warrior guide but can't seem to find anyone with high rio. Would you have a suggestion on whom to look for?
high folio
My general rule of thumb is if someone ever says "Only" or "just" in a statement...
thats really clever, and usually the threat issues are bc dps are too triger happy and dont let you get threat established and they get bopped for it
lavish oracle
Who would ever think that they need spear for threat
signal plover
kleia simps unite
When she flew in during that blizzcon cinematic OH BABY
coarse kestrel
Hey everyone, new here. I am going through YouTube for a prot warrior guide but ...
Sense, plka, and I think even griff has a video
dry spear
do you take this over 210 field emitter?
modern brook
When she flew in during that blizzcon cinematic OH BABY
๐ ๐ ๐
half nymph
Sense, plka, and I think even griff has a video
Thanks, I'll look those up!
modern brook
Sense and Plka both have twitches
IDT either has made a guide
griff keeps oldmanning about making one
high folio
do you take this over 210 field emitter?
noooooo
jagged pier
do you take this over 210 field emitter?
depends what your other trinket is cause that one is fuking huge
high folio
youre loosing a bunch of main stat and a fatty haste button
modern brook
do you take this over 210 field emitter?
whats the other trinket?
jagged pier
i dont think u understand how good hymnal is
modern brook
Hymnal is insane damage
dry spear
226er spike or 210er field
modern brook
but anime is also very good
high folio
i just saying not to take it over field emitter
astral crystal
i run hymnal on guardian druid, it's alright, but field emitter is better
jagged pier
probs does more like my 168 one does like 3-4% od my damage
coarse kestrel
Thanks, I'll look those up!
iirc griff's video was an 11 key but had commentary. Haven't seen it. found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nPShmyequ4
astral crystal
i m o
modern brook
havent seen it lol
dry spear
so field or spike is the question?
coarse kestrel
just have it book marked for later watching
modern brook
pitching you a view @chilly brook
jagged pier
high folio
so field or spike is the question?
sim it, the ilvl disparity will prob lean towards gluttonous. tho. plus gluttonous heals
modern brook
@chilly brook im 1 minute in and ur already assuming too much from your viewer
chilly brook
if griff does this i could do one
Nah you could do it better
chilly brook
<@!133532617940140032> im 1 minute in and ur already assuming too much from your...
Truuuueee
modern brook
"U probably notice me rotating cooldowns"
bro no ones noticing that
they're looking at the ravager going
jagged pier
Nah you could do it better
might give it a go on weekend if i have the time
modern brook
"ahh yes put it on the enemies"
chilly brook
shit overall, cant recommend
Big facts tho
jagged pier
save me bois got council mythic in a few mins
half nymph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nPShmyequ4 <:ZOOMEReyes:721123810992062506>
looking good, maybe not beginner friendly but helps that i have played KSM on venge + guardian
jagged pier
there u go griff a good review already ๐
high folio
you guys think fury is going to ascend w the leggo buffs?
high folio
i think the reckless defense/AM combo will be a thing. i bet you can get the cd on recklessness really fucken low
outer bronze
Big facts tho
nice video, trying to learn prot & it was nice ๐ thanks for recording it
high folio
like that will likely bring the reck cd down to like 30 45 seconds if you combo w AM. im so excited
naive sparrow
Watching the prot video posted, is the ability timeline a setting in DBM or a different add on?
modern brook
sounds like a wa
naive sparrow
Yes, thank you
I used to tank a lot in vanilla, tbc, and wrath, but getting older I have a lot of tanxiety in dungeons for some reason. Finding this discord has helped ๐
chilly brook
nice video, trying to learn prot & it was nice ๐ thanks for recording it
No problem I should make more and stop being lazy but then I'd have to stop being lazy
proper socket
On the PTR, with the reprisal legendary, does that give you a full shield block when you charge or intervene? My brain says that could be fun in m+ and some raid fights
uneven mason
yes
shhh stop talking about reprisal, they'll see us being interested into it and nerf
odd verge
Real nice @chilly brook ! Funny with chat "o wait, he's a warrior. oof"
proper socket
Okay I'll try to contain my hopes that it goes live like that
chilly brook
Real nice <@!133532617940140032> ! Funny with chat "o wait, he's a warrior. oof"
I must've missed that lol
jagged pier
yah Tru
strong forum
|| its boss damage||
exotic plover
Hey! its kind of annoying when you are dependant on sire teleporting to you in mythic
So im just wondering if there is any way to predict when he is teleporting and when he isnt with some pattern or rule?
uneven mason
He'll teleport facing the center just inside his melee range
so face the outside
he'll teleport basically anytime he isn't casting something else and can't slug you
Also if you're moving he'll likely teleport
because the AI is stupid and can't get a fix on your exact location, even if you're in his hitbox.
What more annoying about sire is that when he does teleport he'll occasionally decide to take 2 steps to your right
exotic plover
No but the thing is at times he doesnt care and doesnt teleport for 4 seconds
We were supposed to use the hand to get of the platform but he just afkd on the platform and placed the hand 4sec later instead of teleporting off
shut summit
yea hes annoying with it getting delayed / not porting
just leave couple seconds earlier
uneven mason
You created a logic loophole in the boss
and he had to think
I've noticed that if he has another ability off of CD
and its higher priority that yeah' he'll just stand there like an idiot
while it decides to do the other thing, then port
almost like he can't cast inevitable if a higher priority ability is off of CD but not in queue to cast yet.
distant crystal
@strong forum are you saving anything for shields or just full mongoing the shade tho?
Feels like playing proper will mean less overall shade dam eh
jagged pier
thats overall damage
so damage to adds as well etc
and only think prot can really do is shattering throw it
distant crystal
spoiler said it's boss dmg
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> are you saving anything for shields or just full mongoing...
im saving spear for shield
if i can
OH SHIT
i never use shattering throw FUCK
i should do that!
strong forum
yes i just completely forgot about using it there
river basin
any thoughts on Necrolord Prot post 9.0.5? I see comments about it being "better" but will it compete with Kyrian in terms of viability?
stark sage
until we see the next raid and the applications of either covenant we wont know
But currently on ptr yes it is competitive
uneven mason
i never use shattering throw FUCK
20k dmg down the drain man.
meager stream
Anyone have any thoughts on the redesigned legendaries? I feel like Reprisal might be really good just for that shield block. I can only speak from +15 experience, but shield block is what allows me to stay relatively still
limpid river
^^^^ interested in this as well.
high folio
Am I ready to start attempting +8s and above?
play smart and kite when you need to then yeat you should be good, an 8 only drops like ilvl 190 something gear i think
high folio
Anyone have any thoughts on the redesigned legendaries? I feel like Reprisal mig...
reprisal is projected to be op, UW is still bad, the revenge one prob wont be v useful still
high folio
Oh so maybe I should go for a 1
you should be fine in a 10, i was tanking 7's and 8's in the 180's
fringe oyster
Thank you . Iโm gonna get this keystone master achieve if it kills me LOL
high folio
im on the same grind right now man, best thing you can do is learn your dungeons and learn them well
uneven mason
And pray the DPS are not flipperhanded monkeys
who understand hwo to stun/ interrupt
high folio
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
meager stream
Only got dOS left, just get a good easy to execute route
uneven mason
The most painful thing in this week is Grevious stops me from compensating for bad DPS interrupts by running away until pummel is back up
high folio
i finally timed my first 15 yesterday after about 6 or 7 attempts. i hate pugs and my guild never asks me to tank keys its frustrating
meager stream
A good idea is to copy some well known route like dratnos and modify it to your liking
limpid river
Kinda curious if Necrolord will be better than Kyrian and should we switch over once patch is released or prior.
meager stream
Or if you're like me and like to prepare, build your own route from the ground up and run it once and then compare it to other routes to see what could be done better
high folio
theyre going to all be competitive
meager stream
Be a furry and bask in the glory of auto interupt every 3 seconds
high folio
routing is rarely my issue, of the dungeons i know well and can run (which is ab half of them) most of my deaths come from getting free casted on from no interupts
meager stream
runic crown
The Necrolord change to banner is is viable in prot?
sweet summit
very viable
the very best option no matter what situation? no
the best option in some niche situations? ye
runic crown
im mean for high m+ keys
sweet summit
sure, the fleshcraft buff makes necro look pretty good defensively
not sure how soulbinds look for them
too lazy to check
uneven mason
They have some ok ones
the massive str buff
on banner use is nice too
15s of 25%ish str
I'm not going to take the leap, seriously considering swapping back to Kyrian tonight if I don't get Sire down
so I can remove bleeds and have an extra heal.
wild chasm
I can't even count how many times the phial has saved me raid tanking...
signal plover
Sry to hear about your issues with mathematics :(
signal plover
Pwarrs only count up to 2 (charges of SB)
chilly brook
I really didnt find it that useful outside of getting rid of debuffs
astral crystal
Pwarrs only count up to 2 (charges of SB)
this tbh
modern brook
I really didnt find it that useful outside of getting rid of debuffs
It literally gives you dwarf racial
uneven mason
- a health stone
If cross faction guilds were a thing
I'd be a Dark Iron Dwarf almost instantly.
astral crystal
S A M E
mighty valley
I'm short and scottish in real life, I don't need to be that in a video game
jagged pier
TRu
uneven mason
I'm short and scottish in real life, I don't need to be that in a video game
I'm tall and fat, don't need to be that in a game.
mellow patio
strong wyvern
what's the minimum ilvl to offtank heroic castle without getting splattered? We're always short tanks for our alt heroic and none of the real tanks want to tank it. The rest of the raid is avg 217 or so
mellow patio
There is no minimum. Anything above 200 should be easy. Below will be a bit more challenging but still doable
strong wyvern
i'm like 178 now, without lego. I'm guessing it'd be a bit rough
mellow patio
Yeah that would probably sting
Prob 190 is as low as I would go and thatโs with really good play
strong wyvern
I'll do a bit more M+ then, ive got all the covenant gear just have horrid rings and trinkets
mellow patio
Prob 190 is as low as I would go and thatโs with really good play
And a boost from your healers
signal plover
I think we progged week 1 at 180 min reqs. Most folks were up past 190 by week 2 and then around 200 when we killed hc denathrius
strong wyvern
we had a 200 DH do it last week, it was fine
mellow patio
I got legit no gear week 1 so week 2 I was progging m huntsman at 195
Felt REALLY good
strong wyvern
I can get carried as DPS probably, but tanking is more fun
signal plover
With the rest of the raid at 217 you can carry a low Ilvl tank provided they know how to play their class at an above average level.
strong wyvern
healers are good, dps tends to get really drunk on alt night
mellow patio
If youโre not drunk are you even raiding
wanton condor
SB can probably carry you if used well from 190 or so