protection

[little rune]

but i do :8

[outer solstice]

why? is your co-tank made of paper?

[little rune]

no he is going to be either dh or paladin

[outer solstice]

or you plan to do that with externals and own CDs?

[little rune]

yeah i will use my necro banner

[outer solstice]

what difficulty?

[little rune]

next patch will give mastery

on MM

[outer solstice]

[little rune]

so SB + 400 mastery + intervene

i guess SW might be required aswell

[outer solstice]

I'd just don't care for the damage buff from the banner on sludge

1 melee will get it

and both tanks

or you use it only on pillars

[viscid agate]

tbh with necro banner go arms+unholy or frost in arena and give the 400 mastery

[outer solstice]

which is better anyway

[little rune]

oh i meant the mastery from banner for the crit block

[outer solstice]

f**** that

you need more to stay alive

400 mastery won't fix it

[viscid agate]

i would pick condemn over that because you will have draven tree for tanking

but bastion forever

[wanton condor]

spear feels too good

[outer solstice]

AA is amazing too

it felt better to me that's one of the reasons I went NF

[wanton condor]

the fact that I can throw spear, take a few steps backwards, and laugh in the bears' face while they get yoinked back just brings a tear to my eyes

[outer solstice]

oh well for PvP yeah

[minor pelican]

any estimted date on 9.0.5 release?

[outer solstice]

nop

[wanton condor]

talking halls!

[outer solstice]

oh

[wanton condor]

didn't they say march?

[outer solstice]

well...

[wanton condor]

I can see the value in AA too

[outer solstice]

AA knockdown is amazing for it too

[wanton condor]

just constant interrupts

[outer solstice]

also soulshape

just run xD

if you can't beat the bears

become the bear

[fringe oyster]

I stun with shock wave , let them get up.... then knock em down with AA

Best feeling ever LOL

Do they have a bear soul shape for that? I got the deer one from a rare today

[wanton condor]

they do

I run the wolfhawk for my boomie personally

[lavish oracle]

When is 9.0.5 supposed to release? march right?

[signal plover]

they said "next month" so yeh

[amber herald]

31st march 11:59:59pm

[sick sentinel]

What do you think of the Trinket "Flame of Battle" from a WQ. +52 strength with a 1.5 min on use +473 vers

[fringe oyster]

Any good prot warriors on twitch to watch?

[wicked lantern]

@patent osprey 👀

[fringe oyster]

Try

Ty

[timber ledge]

Any advice on not dying on the 2nd pull in DoS. Timed up to 16 and I don't think I've ever survived it. Spell Reflect and Interrupt Shadowcore when I can. Otherwise I kite for dear life and cross my fingers

[astral crystal]

bretty much all you can do unless you don't lust first pack

[median tulip]

The problem with all the WQ trinkets is they don't come in high enough iLvls to be worth using.

[median tulip]

I pretty much always Shield Wall on that pull TBH

[timber ledge]

So do I. Still no dice

[median tulip]

bank rage as you're killing the two guys beforehand so you can pump IP

I have a Shaman healer and therefore Earthen Wall as well

[waxen cradle]

Struggling to remain a Prot Warrior boys, hoping we see some nice changes in 9.1 as constantly being declined for keys and seeing other tanks beat us by so much in ST in raids and on bosses on keys is starting to wear on my patience. Right on the verge of throwing my hands up and saying fuck it and fuck being at the bottom of the totem pole

[vestal moat]

Completely agree, that's why I leveled a DH and BM.

[median tulip]

9.0.5 has some changes coming

although like many I wish they'd bake us some power into baseline rather than racking it all into borrowed power

[vestal moat]

There are no baseline changes coming.

[waxen cradle]

Yeah for 9.0.5, I am for one hoping balance changes in the form of ST damage buffs coming for 9.1, and STRONGLY considering shelving in favor of my monk until 9.1

But the issue that may well arise is even if our damage is buffed for 9.1 will the buffs to other classes via the Blizzcon mentioned "empowered conduits" still keep us at or near the bottom

[frigid pebble]

Hi all

That's insane no? So it's an easy 100% up time of shield block no?

[median tulip]

Experiments have shown that you can indeed get 100% uptime, without even needing to Talent Bolster

I still don't actually believe that they are going to put that live, FWIW

[waxen cradle]

yeah it will be great for 100% SB uptime in keys but that will do nothing to help with our magic damage mitigation, which yes all tanks take a lot of magic damage, but it also does not address our ST damage

and agreed that is IF it goes live that way

[frigid pebble]

It's less rage spend in SB, so more in ignore pain... And it generate 20 rage so more rage is more ignore pain too

So it's (a little) better against magic damage

[median tulip]

The increased Rage generation and the savings from free SB and Revenge procs do allow more casts of Ignore Pain, so indirectly it does increase defenses against Magic Damage

[waxen cradle]

Also if it goes live that way for raids The Wall will almost certainly still over perform Reprisal for raid

[median tulip]

100% agreed

[waxen cradle]

Which is fine, but still the issue I am mainly focused on still is not addressed, our ST damage compared to other tanks

[median tulip]

Mostly because, due to tank swap mechanics, 100% Shield Block uptime isn't actually necessary in the vast majority of Raid boss fights.

[frigid pebble]

yes but there is lot of boss with 100% active tanking. Altimor, Sludgfist, Council, Stone Legion...

You can't keep 100% up time shield block against them

[median tulip]

Altimor melees like a particularly unfit warhammer nerd

[lavish oracle]

Altimor? His hits are pretty chunky, I think

he just doesn't do 'em a lot

[frigid pebble]

Yes that's one of the first boss but sludgfist is a bit stronger ^^

[median tulip]

Nah. The bit that hurts are the arrows

Sludge isn't that much of a problem, because he stops to Roar, Stomp and Charge a lot. You just have to time things right

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, sludge actually has a lot of downtime

[median tulip]

You won't get 100%, even with Boltster, but you can get close

[frigid pebble]

He start cast at 48 rage

from 0 to 48 he dont cast anything

[hollow nebula]

The other problem with my warrior as prot is that my bear (besides Thrash legendary being amazing for mythics) also brings backup heals between pulls / decurse/poison / battle res / soothe. Warrior... can yell

I’ve kept my warrior as dps and I play my Druid for tanking. Prot needs something

Also hibernate / cyclone / vortex

[median tulip]

I would certainly like to see more DPS from us, no question ther

[lavish oracle]

Won't get 100% on sludge with bolster?

should be able to

or at least so close that it's effectively 100%

[frigid pebble]

Obv with bolster, but you still spend so much in SB and you can't play anger management

With this new legendary it's 100% uptime SB with no rage cost

And can switch to anger management, so it replace "The wall"

And you can cast a lot of more ignore pain

[copper lion]

unstoppable force/AM no longer better in m+?

[frigid pebble]

Ravager is better i think, but war prot is bad in M+ i'm doing it in fury now 😂 i'm still a main tank in raid but m+...

[copper lion]

is crackling thunder not good?

seems good for slows

[frigid pebble]

You have to stand in the middle of the pack for slow them... But if you want to slow adds, yo udont want to be near them x)

So Bounding Stride is better

[last mason]

Can you double pull 2 abom packs with an orb in wake

Or an abom pack and the other big pack

[mighty cairn]

we've done big stitchwerk double pulls on necrotic 15/16s easily but it was with a rogue using the crit legendary

it's probably doable without depending on your dps classes and cooldowns though

[wide pilot]

anyone able to give me some direction in leggos? ready the guides and cant decide to go with the wall or thunderlord.....it seems most high M+ pushers are going the wall or are they using thunderlord

[sturdy sable]

Both have merit and uses

[steel mauve]

the wall for raiding, tlords for low/mid level m+ the wall will benefit higher m+ levels if you continually use shield wall

if you dont need shield wall, or dont use it often enough then its not put to its full benefit

[onyx moon]

TL would be good for fortified while wall would be good for tyrannical

[vague jetty]

How do you turn on threads of fate leveling at 59?

[sturdy sable]

Go talk to the dude in orobos he should be visible on your map

[worthy river]

hes on far right

[timber ledge]

Should we be using Sharpening Stones and Str pots for M+? I've been using Phantom Fire on Tyrannical

[feral gale]

empowered exorcisms with oil

don't worry about ST boss dps in keys, the goal is always to kill trash asap

[sick sentinel]

In terms of survivability, I would say that Prot seems to be pretty on par with most classes. I agree that the problem is dps when it comes to ST because in AoE with Ravager and Spear I can do some pretty chunky AoE dps. ST dmg mainly hurts on Tyran weeks and I guess raid bosses. I think that Reprisal is going to make Prot better in mythic +s even though their not bad at all and then when we eventually get two legendaries / further scaling I see Prot shooting up even more. I think the main problem right now is how TOXIC the community is. If you arent some neckbeard meta playing VDH its SOOOO hard to get into anything outside of a dedicated group. I really hope the community just gets better as a whole.

[feral gale]

not really community imo, prot is not in a good spot with a kite meta. we are designed to facetank and our kit allows us to do so on physical dmg, but that's not current m+

[sick sentinel]

I mean with the dmg nerfs you dont have to kite as much and Prot actually kites pretty damn good....with that said, I for sure wish we could facetank like we're meant to

[feral gale]

yeah that's where i am going with this, the class is designed to block hits to be effective

but if you can't do that it just suffers

[cinder storm]

Thing is, you dont have to be a dedicated VDH to be good, VDH kit is well rounded for these dungeons

Your regular VDH can be on par with a good pwar

[sick sentinel]

That's very fair...you can be a smoothbrain VDH and push keys

[feral gale]

its absurd @cinder storm I can tank similar dungeons easier with 17 ilvl lower vdh than my warrior

[sick sentinel]

Prot takes effort

[cinder storm]

My warrior is 217, my VDH is 204, I started with fire mage main and is just collecting dust at 216, havent touched it for like a month and a half

[sick sentinel]

Do you notice VDH gets accepted a lot more than warrior?

[cinder storm]

No need to worry about facing adds or communicating to other players

[feral gale]

No, it doesn't because my io on warrior is far higher

[sick sentinel]

I made a BM monk that's at like 205 ILVL, but I hate it. It's good, but it's boring AF to me

[cinder storm]

Same with my vdh

[feral gale]

it doesn't stop dummies from being like 'wow bad tank' because you know we get clobbered on some pulls lol

[cinder storm]

Its boring, I feel it does not requires skill outside from dungeon knowledge

[feral gale]

like bro im 222 if you can't keep me up on this 15 i can tell you it's not on me here

[cinder storm]

Now with pwar everything feels more engaging and I feel I have to think ahead of a pack

[sick sentinel]

I tanked on VDH in BFA some for keys around like +12 so I jumped on my lv 50 and tried out a dungeon and was like damn....this is APE...like VDH takes no brain at all

[feral gale]

hmm it seems you're circlejerking a bit here and trying to sound superior to other classes? im not gonna keep going with that convo topic lol

[sick sentinel]

lmfao what?

[cinder storm]

VDH is still superior this season, theres no argument in that, but its also fair to admit that it doesnt require skill to be optimal

[sick sentinel]

Everyone knows that VDH is easy fuck, I didnt say anything new. No reason to get asshurt LOL

[chilly brook]

I've seen some really bad VDHs....

[drifting glade]

do you guys have any tips for heroic inerva

she really fuckin cheeses me off

in terms of incoming damage

[mellow patio]

No tank class takes a ton of skill to play

Knowing how to tank is the skill required

[chilly brook]

@drifting glade block her melees, swap on 2

Not really much else to say

Big add can hit hard

Block his hits

Reflect his cast

📈

[drifting glade]

sorry, I might need to be more specific

on two stacks the dot tends to give my healers grief and despite pumping ignore pain I often die

[chilly brook]

If you're dying at 2 stacks

[drifting glade]

shield wall is not up for every one and I'm unsure where spell reflect is best used for maximum mitigation there

[chilly brook]

Youre either horribly undergeared or your healers suck ass

[drifting glade]

I don't really understand how dots work in wow, I'm still new - do they snapshot your mit

or is it on a per-tick basis

[chilly brook]

No

Per tick

[drifting glade]

right

so doesnt matter where in the dot I mit, cool

[chilly brook]

But you shouldn't be dying at 2 stacks

[drifting glade]

i am 210

[chilly brook]

Especially if you've swapped and aren't tanking anything

[drifting glade]

im going to assume thats high enough

[mellow patio]

If you’re dying to just the dot your healers are buns

[chilly brook]

Yea you shouldn't be dying at 2 stacks at 210

[mellow patio]

No other way to put it

[chilly brook]

👀

[drifting glade]

fuck

i hate it when its not my fault dude

I can't make my raid play better lmao

[mellow patio]

It’s never your fault

Always blame the healer

[drifting glade]

hahahaha

mmo classic

[mellow patio]

Didn’t die in one shot? Sounds like a healer problem

[chilly brook]

I've lived like 4 stacks in mythic lol

[drifting glade]

riiight

okay

I will inform my healers

[chilly brook]

It sucks

[jagged pier]

did this last night, wasnt fun

[drifting glade]

also the other question I had was why did I find it so easy to parse high in normal

[chilly brook]

No it really isn't lmao

[mellow patio]

Griff why in gods name do you have 4 stacks in mythic is it too hard to turn your character

[chilly brook]

Other tank died

[jagged pier]

[mellow patio]

Tell your other tank to get better

Fire him

[chilly brook]

I fired myself

[jagged pier]

[mellow patio]

If my co tank dies he gets 2 hours of flame

And I expect the same

[chilly brook]

I'm a dps boi now

[mellow patio]

We bully one another into being better

[chilly brook]

As soon as I go dps

I got 2 more kills in mythic

[mellow patio]

Not everyone has the luxury of being freed from their tanking shackles

I am chained to this role

[hybrid socket]

Is prot playable with signet? Fury is my main and I don''t have enough soul ash to make pro specific legendary this week. Shoul I try prot with signet or take it off for tanking?

[mellow patio]

Yes it is playable. Doesn’t work with prot ravager tho and certainly isn’t our best choice

[hybrid socket]

Yeah, it is not like I want to run this legendary on prot :D So thanks for reply :)

[lavish oracle]

Hm, I guess I should just be banking all my soul ash in case the reprisal change goes live

but also I wanna make signet for Fury

[heavy sail]

To tell you the truth

I have very slim hopes that it goes live

[lime orchid]

Once upon a time when the game just release, I was a free spirit hunter.

And then I played an alt prot warrior.

[heavy sail]

And if it does, that it won’t be Insta-nerfed and DoA

Blizzard would have to believe that Prot warrior is much worse than it actually is to justify giving us 100% SB uptime

[sick sentinel]

If they don't have it go through to live as it is they better buff our damn damage haha

[heavy sail]

Necrolord covenant ability is insane

And makes our DPS contribution (not simple DPS) super competitive

So there’s that

[lime orchid]

Maybe give us a unique passive where blocking will deal some small dmg or something

[heavy sail]

I do believe that if nothing changes and all of these planned buffs go live, we’re probably going to be the top tank for the next tier.

In fact I’d almost guarantee it

[sick sentinel]

In every environment or are you talking raid?

[heavy sail]

Raid specifically

But still very good for m+

[sick sentinel]

I know that Max from Limit said with the Necro buff that Prot Warrior will be 100% taken

Two of them

It's too useful for dps in the group

[lavish oracle]

Pretty sure if reprisal change goes live we stand a pretty good chance in M+ too but also sigils are very good

[heavy sail]

Yeah hard to say there

[sick sentinel]

See, that's my big struggle atm....I love the Kyrian Spear and Phial, but I hate their lore and gear sets.....I want to be Necro sooo bad but I know that I do way more +s vs raid

[heavy sail]

VDH is so strong for m+

But it would be close

100% Sb uptime is bonkers

[sick sentinel]

Yea it really is

[chilly brook]

Go night fae

You wont regret it

Trust

[sick sentinel]

@chilly brook Yea? See I am also thinking of that too when I see @light mason playing it as well

[chilly brook]

Continual knockdowns on a caster pack for 12 seconds>phial

[sick sentinel]

It looks juicy

Shit....that's true

Plus the form to get away

[lavish oracle]

Wish I could just swap between Kyrian and Night Fae based on the dungeon 😄

[sick sentinel]

RIGHT

[chilly brook]

Wish I could swap period

[sick sentinel]

or the week lol

[chilly brook]

Smh

[heavy sail]

I’m gonna swap Necro whenever it goes live

[chilly brook]

But I started Kyrian

Was way more happy as NF for tanking

But now I'm a blood sucking boi

[sick sentinel]

When it goes live and it's on our backs it's going to be VERY hard not to play as Necro

[lavish oracle]

any caster heavy dungeon is like insta night fae but anytime I needed to kite or deal with a disease/bleed I'd instantly miss kyrian

[sick sentinel]

Since their gear is cool AF

[heavy sail]

NF makes kiting a lot easier.

Just having another CD is big

[chilly brook]

NF isn't bad for kiting at all

[heavy sail]

And the damage is great

[sick sentinel]

The thing is, if Reprisal goes live I dont think covenant will even matter for +s

So Necro going to #1 for raids

I mean

[chilly brook]

It already kinda doesnt

[sick sentinel]

oof

[heavy sail]

Covenant hardly matters now lol

[sick sentinel]

I mean, fair

[heavy sail]

But for min/maxing purposes I see the Necro buff as huge value

[lavish oracle]

I'm wondering if prot does get brought to WF keys, what covenant they play

[sick sentinel]

In 9.0.5?

I am saying Necro

[chilly brook]

For WF stuff itd be necro likely if the buff stays as is

[sick sentinel]

The buff for group

Like fire mage and shit

Too strong

[lavish oracle]

Maybe, really only huge for the boomy, right?

[heavy sail]

It being a 2 minute is great, like really really great.

[sick sentinel]

I mean, it's big for everyone really

[chilly brook]

Itd be big for mage too

Or unholy

[heavy sail]

The most substantial nerf they could do, would not be tweaking the mastery down a bit

[lavish oracle]

I thought their mastery during bust was really kinda meh

[heavy sail]

It would be putting it back to 3 minutes

[sick sentinel]

YES

[chilly brook]

And it's actually good for WW

[sick sentinel]

That^^^

[chilly brook]

I mean if you're buffing a boomie it basically is a 3m

[sick sentinel]

I think if Reprisal and Necro buffs make it to LIVE we will see Necro prot warrior go to #1 in raids in +s

Or at least way higher in +s than we are now

and #1 for raid

[lavish oracle]

Nah, I think it's worth it just with convoke

[chilly brook]

Right but convoke gets delayed an extra minute anyways

[sick sentinel]

Like I said, it's big for everyone really lol

[lavish oracle]

Not always

[sick sentinel]

At least what's "meta" atm

[chilly brook]

Something about lining it up with some sort of big mastery buff

[heavy sail]

I think the bigger CD is wild spirits

Which is insane

And hunters get huge value from the mastery

[sick sentinel]

I see like, MM hunter, Boomie, UH DK being meta

which is basically meta already

LOL

[chilly brook]

I mean not really

You're gonna be buffing your mage or your boomie

Or both

[sick sentinel]

How far of a range does the buff go

[chilly brook]

Mage/boomie/x is kinda the play rn

[sick sentinel]

Since it's closest allies or w/e

[lavish oracle]

I think the WF key meta has basically settled on Mage/Boomy/rogue for DPS

[heavy sail]

Boomie is almost a requirement at high keys

Because trees are just too good

And they pump

[sick sentinel]

They fucking pump for sure

Well

Convoke pumps

😛

Nah theyre good all around really

[lavish oracle]

I'm surprised how much variation there is in healers

[sick sentinel]

In like, high keys?

[lavish oracle]

yeah

[heavy sail]

Healer balance is good right now

[sick sentinel]

Yea I think healers are pretty balanced

^^

[heavy sail]

Maybe buff Hpriest a bit

[sick sentinel]

9.0.5 is dropping like end of March?

[heavy sail]

Unconfirmed

[lavish oracle]

some time in march

[heavy sail]

I would think probably early/mid March

But nobody knows an exact date

[lavish oracle]

nah, early march seems too soon

man, is it gonna drop the same week as MH Rise?

[wicked lantern]

Prot has me straight demoralized right now. Cant get into 15s to save my life and then I do and they go to shit and the group uses prot warrior as the scapegoat

[heavy sail]

Make some friends

Run your own keys

[lavish oracle]

I've been getting into 15s left and right this week

[heavy sail]

It’s really the best advice I can give for anyone in that situation.

[lavish oracle]

All I have left for KSM is TOP

[heavy sail]

Doing keys with friends or guildies is the easiest way to push

Pug-life is going to be a waste of your time

[lavish oracle]

Eh, it's not that bad

[heavy sail]

Like, people who pug raid and m+ exclusively have to work 8x as hard and play 8x as much for worse results

[lavish oracle]

It's like gambling, you can give yourself an edge but you can never really predict the outcome

I guess depending on what you're gambling on

[heavy sail]

Waste of time is maybe too harsh

But it’s an inefficient use of your time

I think the pug environment just tends to be somewhat toxic. Like people who can’t clear a 15 but are meta slaving

It’s just not worth the mental exhaustion

[lavish oracle]

Honestly, best thing you can do while pugging is add people you like running with and just run with them more

[heavy sail]

Yeah exactly

[jagged pier]

i dunno about that for m+ i pugged KSM about a month ago a lot of my guildies still arent even close

[lavish oracle]

Sometimes you gotta just take them under your wing

like if you know someone who wants to run keys and just never really knew where to start

you can coach 'em

it's fun

[jagged pier]

fuk that

[heavy sail]

Yeah I mean, it’s a mixed bag. I just think people who pug have a tougher time generally.

You can do it, you just have to work harder for it

Something to be said also about the actual enjoyment of the content

[ionic fern]

Pugging was fun in Legion since you had more control over your survivability and the dungeon in general so playing with bad pugs you could still carry if you personally played well and were awarded for it.
Pugging now is a nightmare because regardless of how good you play if your group is horrible you will fail.

[lavish oracle]

Even just since last xpac

[wicked lantern]

^well put

[lavish oracle]

we had so much more control over whether a key was timed in BFA

[heavy sail]

The camaraderie from pushing a new high key with the same group of players is BiS.

[lavish oracle]

but it's fine, tank is still by far the most impactful role

It just means DPS has to actually learn the dungeons

which I am in favor of

[heavy sail]

Pugging is so impersonal

Which makes it significantly more unfun

At least that’s how I see it

[worldly ermine]

Hey guys, i'm raid tanking as NF atm, would It be too bad if I switch to venthyr? To improve dps when they rotate me to dps

[heavy sail]

If you’re playing fury specifically NF ST isn’t too far from venthyr

So no you don’t need to switch

Arms is a different story though

[worldly ermine]

I'm playing arms dps

[wicked lantern]

I ran a 14 halls earlier and ate so many fkin Wicked Bolts, I couldn’t have paid the DPS for an interrupt. I died and healer says “Lol prot warrior is so trash” and drops group. This is after sitting in queues for well over an hour.

[worldly ermine]

But i'm considering fury

[wicked lantern]

Shit like that, I’m just like why do I even play this game

[lavish oracle]

One thing I do miss about not being in voice with my healer (and someone on the Titanforged podcast said this and it's like surprisingly accurate) just saying 'Heal me.' is like a healing CD 😄

[heavy sail]

I haven’t looked at parses in a minute but I think Fury is better on most fights

Could be wrong

[worldly ermine]

You are probably right

Thanks a lot!

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, Wicked Bolts were fucking me up in there earlier

[heavy sail]

Pride also just ruins groups that either don’t have a great route, or have poor communication in general

It’s fairly punishing for pugs

[lavish oracle]

None of the DPS were kicking them and I basically had to use all my AoE stops and pray

and I ended up just having to watch 3 of them go off at once and my cheat death proc, haha

[heavy sail]

I think pride is sick overall though

[lavish oracle]

Pride?

I mean

we're in full control of where it happens

as the tank

unless a DPS butt pulls or something

[heavy sail]

Of where it happens sure

But if you don’t have CDs or it’s not timed properly you could just wipe to it

Even if you don’t have other trash to handle

It just takes more coordination to really nail it.

[lavish oracle]

Hmmmm, I don't think I've ever had a PUG full wipe to a pride that was totally by itself

[heavy sail]

I have

[lavish oracle]

at least not in a 14-16 key

[heavy sail]

But I haven’t pugged much tbf

I’ve really ignored m+ almost entirely this season

KSM Mount is cool and all but eh

🤷‍♂️

I’d rather do arena

[lavish oracle]

I just like keys

and also when Valor hits

KSM is gonna make gearing alts so much easier

[heavy sail]

I’ll definitely be getting KSM for that

But I’ve had no reason to until then

[lavish oracle]

I'm just full steam ahead this week on it because its one of the last easy weeks before the patch drops

We should have Bursting Volcanic before the patch though

so that'll also be a good week for it

[heavy sail]

Ezpz

What are the affixes right now?

[lavish oracle]

Sanguine Grievous

[heavy sail]

Grievous kinda sucks

[median tulip]

More than that, being able to easily communicate your Cooldown usage allows better efficiency of healing cooldowns and mana reserves

[heavy sail]

Depends on your healer

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I think I've only run with hpal and shammy this week

Hasn't been too bad for them, usually

[heavy sail]

It actually blows for Hpal

They might be the worst for it

[lavish oracle]

Well, then I'm playing with some good hpals

Nah

[heavy sail]

Yeah

[lavish oracle]

definitely not the worst for it

Monk struggles more with it this xpac, afaik

[heavy sail]

To tell you the truth man

I’ve seen like 2 MW this entire xpac

So you might be right

I have no idea

I know from playing paladin that grievous is a pain in the ass

Especially if you aren’t kyrian

[lavish oracle]

Usually doesn't seem to be a big issue in 14-16s, probably more helpful for the healer than it is for me

being able to call for personals and pots when they don't have CDs

[heavy sail]

Helps that the two or three “meta” m+ healers don’t really go OoM ever

Like you said paladin and resto shaman mostly

[lavish oracle]

Oh, I did run with a MW earlier this week

[heavy sail]

Both super mana efficient

[lavish oracle]

they did fine but they had to drink after like every pull

[heavy sail]

Yup

Same shit with holy for the most part

[median tulip]

Were they Fistweaving?

[lavish oracle]

No clue

[heavy sail]

Probably not

[lavish oracle]

That's the hot duration increase from kick talent?

[median tulip]

Fistweaving is the mana efficient spec AIUI, but it sucks to play in M+

They get mana back from kicking things, I think

[lavish oracle]

is PvP Mistweaver's niche?

they seem like...not great in PvE this expansion

[median tulip]

They're great to have in Raid

They punch things and healing happens. Makes melee groups happy.

[lavish oracle]

I guess, they just don't seem like they really do anything raid utility wise

[heavy sail]

MW doesn’t really have a niche at all

The one thing they do exceptionally well

Is sustained single target HPS

But that’s not that useful in any scenario

It would be good for like SK for example

[lavish oracle]

I just don't PvP that much, I wasn't sure if they were like kicking ass in there or something. High mobility, good hots, good CC, seems like something they might be good at

[heavy sail]

No they are one of the worst ironically

Maybe thee worst?

[lavish oracle]

Ouch

[heavy sail]

Holy might be better idk

You never really see either

They don’t really do damage, their CC isn’t better than the more meta healers imo, and they have to hard cast almost everything

Kind of a recipe for disaster

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, that's true, having to channel to heal is definitely bad for PvP

[heavy sail]

Holy kind of makes up for hard casting with greater heal

And would probably be decent in a meta with more dampening

Because it’s just a straight up 65% heal

With how bursty arena is right now though they don’t see any play at all

Same with MW

There’s really only 3 healers represented in arena right now

Disc/Hpala/Rsham

[median tulip]

Restoration Shaman are overall in a pretty good place right now

[heavy sail]

For sure

[sick sentinel]

Yea I have a 9/10H like 900 .io resto shaman

Theyre pretty fun

I just mess with him here and there

[median tulip]

And with a buff to one of the less used legendaries coming that's only going to improve

[heavy sail]

Resto shaman seems like it never runs out of CDs

[sick sentinel]

It doesn't lol

[heavy sail]

They just chain like 8 together seamlessly

[sick sentinel]

I ran all keys at +10 with like 190 ILVL on him lmfao

It was too easy

[median tulip]

I have a Shaman alt. I'm mostly Elemental on him, but I Resto a bit. I went Resto on Sun King last night, for example.

[sick sentinel]

It's honestly just having a Cloudburst WA and knowing how to chain fat Primordial wave Healing wave bursts into it

[heavy sail]

Ele shaman is super fun

I love the simple rotation

[sick sentinel]

I haven't parsed under a 90 on him in any raid fight

Resto is easy, that's the problem for me

I tend to like more complex toons

Like, I want to mess with my disc priest more....I just haven't in a few years and it can be unforgiving lol

[median tulip]

Mine is Venthyr; Feeding my CBT with Unleash Life > Chain Harvest is burstier but less consistency

[heavy sail]

Ele is dead simple and has a casino one shot mechanic

I love it lmao

[sick sentinel]

I started Venth and Enhance and realized I wasn't feeling MDPS this tier so I went Necro Resto and love it. I know that Venth resto definitely does well though

[heavy sail]

Plus lightning lasso is legitimately the best PvP talent out there

[sick sentinel]

Ele is also getting some nice changes that all around seem to buff it

I've just been playing my Prot warrior since 2004 so it's hard not to always be back on him

[median tulip]

They are kinda breaking Echoes of the Great Sundering legendary

But people bitch and moan about EotGS and Earthquake anyway, because of the kite meta

[heavy sail]

Ele is in kind of a weird place overall

Like they pump on ST super hard

But I think they’re just missing something

Like the AoE rotation just feels bad

Like multi-dotting with such a clunky DoT

And then using the Necro covenant to splash more lava bursts

Idk

It’s decent funnel

[median tulip]

Priority target funnel with Skybreaker's Fiery Demise, or pure Single Target nukes with Windspeaker's Lava Resurgence work really well

AoE is too dependent on the ground-targetted EQ, and that's painful in the age of the kite meta

[heavy sail]

It’s also really stupid that their best legendary wasn’t even obtainable until after world first CN

[median tulip]

Yes, that was fucking sucky on Blizz part

It contributed a lot to them being seen as a bad spec in this expansion

[heavy sail]

Right because the legendary is such a huge bump

Do they even have a good ST legendary outside of that one?

[median tulip]

WLR is amazing. Especially when you get a good string of Aftershock procs and just go ES > LvB > ES > LvB > ES...

I got 5 in a row once. Disgusting DPS 😂

[sick sentinel]

I watched Barokoshama get 9 in a row

Fucking Diiiiiiissggussssstttiiinnggggg

[median tulip]

It's great when it works

The whole spec plays like a volcano. Ages sitting around gently rumbling along, and then suddenly it wakes up and wipes a small town off the map.

It's got a lot of dead talents they need to fix though

[proper thunder]

Anyone have stat weight recommendations to put into pawn instead of simming prot. normally I just prioritise haste/vers but not sure if that's what best atm.

[sweet summit]

1. ilvl>haste>vers>=crit>mastery
2. uninstall pawn
3. sims are focused on damage output, but work well at what theryre doing.
4. the general "stat prio" i gave might not be the very best for output, but its a great middle ground for offesivenes and defensiveness

[proper thunder]

fair enough lol

[cinder nova]

Is there any way to avoid being killed in a single rotation by sub rogues?

If you trinket they'll just blind/reopen.

If you don't, you die.

[sweet summit]

Id try #223972896219856896 i have no idea

[mighty valley]

they'll probably say "don't play prot" lol

[sick sentinel]

100%

[mighty valley]

i used to just try and have the soul read to pop CDs right before they open on me

but I just played ultra casual arenas

[sick sentinel]

I am so damn tempted to go NF I just don't want to do it if I am going to end up being Necro lmfao I hate this convenant BS

[ionic fern]

Why are you stressing about Covenants so much?
I'm fairly sure you can do all the content with any Covenant.

Just play what you prefer.

[sick sentinel]

I mean, you can. It's just in certain aspects they can give you a huge edge...I guess that's why I care a lot

[ionic fern]

Okay, sure, that's up to you.
Don't stress about Necrolord for now, it was the first pass.
Even if it goes live like it's right now it won't be "Pick it or be horrible" choice.
It will be solid in dedicated m+ groups and probably in raiding where you can drop your banner for your DPS'ers to burst (boomy,mages) but outside of that Kyrian/NF will still be better.

[mighty valley]

The edges are small enough they only matter that much if you're pushing very early mythic/high keys

[pure sun]

tbh I feel like necro is kinda worthless for prot

[mighty valley]

raid leaders who are demanding that people swap covenants are focusing on the wrong things to improve

[pure sun]

unless you play with DK/Monk lol

[ionic fern]

For sure.

I mean..it's still a solid amount of mastery + the Fleshcraft DR is a nice extra defensive and can be good IF you need it.

It's way better than what Necrolord is right now.

[sick sentinel]

I guess I get caught up because prior to the release of Shadowlands they mentioned how borrowed power wouldn't be a big thing, but for some classes it 100% is.

I guess for Prot not so much

I hate the look of Kyrian, so...I guess that will make it easy for me lol

[mighty valley]

What kind of content are you doing?

[ionic fern]

Covenant choice still matters for us as well..just not as much as it does for VDH for example. 😂

We got AoE ones with Kyrian/NF and ST with Venthyr.
And now you can be buff boy with Necro.

[sick sentinel]

I am doing no higher than 15s and then Heroic raid, some Mythic.

Well I mean

No higher, yet

[mighty valley]

You'll be more than fine in any covenant then

[sick sentinel]

Okay, for sure! I feel like the stun from NF and movement ability will be nice for sure

That was double for sures

thats how you know im tired

[ionic fern]

Jeah, NF/Kyrian are exceptional in m+.

[mighty valley]

I'm Venthyr and picked it mostly because of vibes lol

[sick sentinel]

See that's why I want Necro to be good for mythic+s so damn bad

I want the gear

[mighty valley]

Do it, you'll be able to do 15s no problem

[ionic fern]

Just play Necro.
You can 100% do 20+ keys as Necro.

You being X covenant won't deplete the key.
It's some cast going off or mis pulls or bad DPS/some RNG death etcetc

[mighty valley]

Yeah, no tank can fully carry these days, for better or worse

[sick sentinel]

Yea, that's true. Do you think it's at least worth waiting until it's live?

[mighty valley]

Depends on how you're playing, might be nice to start catching up on renown before it's live but it'll probably be easier to get into pugs when it's live

[ionic fern]

There can be further changes to Necrolord definitely. I doubt they will re-work the abilities but most likely number tuning if anything.

[hollow snow]

On the plus side if you do swap to try and get ahead of the curve, your covenant transmog is like 20x better than the alternatives

[sick sentinel]

Yea I could honestly swap and then just build it with less pressure to be ready when 9.0.5 hits

Since I have 5 other 60s

Lol

[mighty valley]

jesus

[hollow snow]

That's basically what I did, except i started at necrolord on my warrior before swapping so i had to go through 2 weeks of "lend us a hand pleb" before they let you rejoin

[sick sentinel]

Yea I only switched back at the start of Shadowlands on my Shaman from Venth to Necro and it took a good 4-5 days?

Nah...longer probably

[hollow snow]

the first "rejoin a previous covenant" quest you can do in a few hours, but it timelocks you so you cant get the next quest in the same reset

so i guess yea if you do it all on a monday

[sick sentinel]

yikes

they really dont want people moving around haha

[hollow snow]

then you're good to do the second lot on tues/wed and then start building renown

its only if you swap to a previous one, if you jump from Venthyr/Kyrian/NF to Necro for the first time you just instantly join

its mad rude

that said i've done 24 renown in a week on my warrior now and its almost painful

[wide pilot]

i did 30 renown this week

so quick question is there a haste % where we stop socketing haste and go with vers?

[strong forum]

39%

Before ITF

Aka nothing reachable this tier

[dry spear]

I swapped to NF an farmed renown to 32 in two days. Now if i wanna go back i should start before the reset right? In what covenent am i in that time? Still NF?

[ionic fern]

Yes, before reset.
And yes, still NF.

[wide pilot]

whats so great about NF for prot? havnt really messed around with it yet but i see a lot of top tanks using it

[ionic fern]

Aftershock deals a lot of damage in AoE and the knockdown is great in caster packs as it just chain interrupts them.

• you get Niya which provides you a solid amount of mastery and Burrs which increases your DPS by a lot.

[wide pilot]

is it still pretty close to kyrian?

[ionic fern]

It's arguably better in m+

[wide pilot]

well crap 😦 spent all this time with kyrian haha

[ionic fern]

I mean..the difference is not that big.

Spear has a lower CD and the Potion is great + Pelagos mastery buff is good.

AA is just as competitive.

And burrs is broken. 😂

[hardy stratus]

Hey guys, should I always hold my demo shout (booming voice) for spear+ravager?

[ionic fern]

On ST Spear will still be more beneficial + it's less conditional as with AA you have to keep the enemies inside the area to get the maximum benefit from it.

[dry spear]

Sorry but was does AA stand for?

[ionic fern]

Ancient Aftershock.

[dry spear]

Ah. Ok. Ty

[ionic fern]

Demo / Ravager line up since both of them are 45s CD but Spear doesn't

No point holding it for spear as you'd need to keep it for a extra 15s and that adds up over the course of the fight making you potentially lose a cast.

[wide pilot]

wouldnt mind trying NF but dont want to have to wait 2 weeks if i dont like it lol

[strong forum]

Technically it's only 1 week

Or 1 reset rather

You get 1 quest instantly

The other after reset

[wide pilot]

for my mm hunter i got the quest had to wait fro reset got another quest now have to wait for reset again

[fallow beacon]

Do you keep all your follower levels, covenant upgrades e.g. anima conductor level etc if you leave a covenant and then come back to it?

And renown too?

[dry spear]

Yes

[rigid edge]

After some break from the game, I'm wondering how do we fellow warriors fare on 15s right now for M+?

[sweet summit]

The question confuses me
Every spec in the game is capable of +15s and more

[modern tundra]

warrior is fine to tank any content but community perception is skewed towards protection in m+ atm

[jagged pier]

did my KSM like over a month ago

[rigid edge]

Everything is Viable, doesn't mean as Sagarts said you wont have a hard time getting invites cause well, we deal with braindead people sometime

[dry spear]

Get invited-> prove ppl wrong about their opinion on prot-> more prots get invites.

[thorny stone]

Ey guys, so, in SoA fighting Devos (last boss) sometimes i see that there are orbs in phase 1 (when she is not fliying) at the back of the room, making phase 2 trivial, any of you know how to make her spawn those orbs consistently?

[jagged pier]

happened to me this weekend 'first prot warrior ive seen all expansion'

maybe i should invite more after seeing that

[strong forum]

my healers from guild said they want to heal smth else than VDH, but also said that I'm not a fair representative of prot warris

😎

[jagged pier]

yer but u arent a fair representation of the class nome tbh

[dry spear]

Was the same with dps warriors at the start of m+ runs. Now fury is in a good state

[strong forum]

Fury is in a good state if you dont look at their boss damage

But yeah generally pulling decent overall dmg

[rigid edge]

That's the thing right, different classes/specs shine in different aspects

[ionic dagger]

Hello

[rigid edge]

And honestly, healing a VDH is not very fun

[ionic dagger]

Can someone tell me what talents and conduits we use for venthyr prot warrior?

And what leggo to go for first

[jagged pier]

erga go

[rigid edge]

Erga is a pokemon now? damn I missed a lot it seems

[strong forum]

I have a shiny emote

Ready to go

[ionic dagger]

^^

[strong forum]

P-p-p-

[ionic dagger]

Can someone tell me what talents and conduits we use for venthyr prot warrior?
And what leggo to go for first

[sweet summit]

Same talents as any other covenant: Devastator/sb/bv/??/indom/ravager (itf in raid)/bolster(am is good for dps and in raids)
Thunderlord/the wall for m+
The wall for raid
Endurance: Unnerving focus>stalwart guardian>brutal vitality
Potency: Ashen jugg>show of force>harrowing
Finesse: Shockwave cdr>safeguard>rally (rally one is insane in raids but mediocre in m+)

[jagged pier]

erga did a super effective response

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

:p

[rigid edge]

RTFM much?

[sweet summit]

For soulbinds nadija>draven>theotar generally
I think theotar is the highest simming one for me, not 100% sure

[amber herald]

I think that's a bug that happens when people throw the achievment spears at Devos

or it could be another bug that boss is buggy af

[ionic dagger]

@sweet summit Soulbind mate?

Ah ty

[sweet summit]

I was just trying to be helpfull instead of just being a pin andy :(

[ionic dagger]

sorry missed it

@sweet summit Which slot do we make the Wall leggo on back or shoulder?

[jagged pier]

shoulders

[sweet summit]

Shoulders yeah

[dry spear]

Dude. PINS

[mystic ocean]

Hi everyone, is there a consensus yet on the legendaries that get changed with 9.0.5 (shield wall 2 charges and free shieldblock + Rage with every charge)? I was wondering if they will be viable in m+.

Or is there a discussion going on somewhere, from which I can draw my own conclusions?

[jagged pier]

UW still bad unless we can equip to leggos

reprisal loosk broken as fuck tho

[wide pilot]

How are prot warriors in rbg?

[jagged pier]

play arms

and shot call

[wide pilot]

That bad eh lol

[dry spear]

Or. Ooooooor leaper and carry flags

And stun ppl

[jagged pier]

well then your fury

not prot

[mystic ocean]

That’s what I thought. Very high uptime on shieldblock and lots of rage on every pull.

[jagged pier]

100%

as it stands

[high folio]

as busted as reprisal looks i cant help but think its going to be clunky asf to use

[jagged pier]

it wont be at all

[high folio]

wym?

[jagged pier]

how do u thnk its gunna be clunky?

like charging and intervenes already a part of play

[high folio]

only being able to proc it off of charge and intervene seems like it will necessitate a lot of unnecessary movement.

[ionic fern]

Idk, i tried it on PTR and i honestly diddn't do anything differently than i usually would.
I'm already playing Double Time on live so it was fine. 👀

[orchid frigate]

unpopular fact; i have yet to use an augment rune in SL

[jagged pier]

i sell all mine

[strong forum]

Walking out for like 1 sec to charge back in sounds like easy enough to do

[high folio]

i dunnon maybe im overthinking it bc, in my mind the way id use it is to maintain near 100% uptime on SB

[strong forum]

Same as intervene a melee target 🤷‍♂️

[high folio]

facts them shits way too expensive

[strong forum]

Pretty easy to pull off

[high folio]

what if youre currently holding threat on a raid boss, as soonb as you move he moves.

[ionic fern]

Chances are in raids you would use The Wall regardless.

[jagged pier]

u can intervene?

[strong forum]

And in raid you'd prolly use wall anyway ye

[jagged pier]

also with raid bosses u never really tank for longer than 2 stacks anyway

[high folio]

okay then that makes more sense, in m+ i can def see how thatd be good in high keys bc youre supposed to be chain CC anyways

[bold wave]

Would you guys suggest throwing Unbreakable Will on a ring or chest piece?

[sick sentinel]

Is seismic reverberation good in M+? Comparing to a vengence DH, dmg seems very little

[jagged pier]

id suggest not making it tbh

@sick sentinel its good for damage but gives no defensive value and to make it weork really well u need to drop BV as well to take BSC

[sick sentinel]

I’ve just been using thunder lords

[strong forum]

Don't craft it until you can wear 2 leggos

Waste of Ash right now

[sick sentinel]

Thanks

[bold wave]

Waste of ash? Am I missing something you can do with Ash?

[strong forum]

Saving up for 9.0.5

To craft reprisal and potentially seismic reverb

[high folio]

ive spread myself to thin on ash and have made too many that i need to get to rank 4, as well as craft my signet for fury

[median tulip]

I'm still chewing through my pile of BfA ones TBH

[high folio]

be four leggos deep at that point

[bold wave]

Sounds like they synergize well together?

[strong forum]

Yes but you won't be able to wear 2 leggos for a while

If at all

Ever

[bold wave]

Gotchya

[strong forum]

If you have 0 Ash right now

If you start saving now you might be able to craft r4 reprisal as soon as 9.0.5 hits

[high folio]

im sitting on ab 3900 atm. but i need to at the very least get r4 signet, the wall, and deathmaker.

[strong forum]

I have 3640 or smth like that rn

[jagged pier]

only 3.2k andy 😦

[strong forum]

Gonna sit on that

[median tulip]

If it's longer than 2 weeks away I will have Reprisal at Rank 4 when 9.0.5 drops

Also I can make Rank 4 boots

[high folio]

thunderlords just seems to be outclassed so heavily by the wall in higher content rn that im not gonna upgrade it till after reprisal

[bold wave]

jayzuz

Did you make any leggos?

[strong forum]

I have r4 wall, r4 unhinged and r1 TL

[bold wave]

You probably finished a bunch of table quests, didn't you

[strong forum]

Nop

1

In total

[jagged pier]

kyrains get none XD

[bold wave]

Well hell then lol

[median tulip]

Thunderlord is ok, The Wall is great. I currently have Rank 2 Signet for offspec, which is what I was working on getting to Rank 4, but Reprisal will take priority.

[strong forum]

I just played since day 1 and did every torghast stuff

[high folio]

unhinged is the fury leggo right

[strong forum]

Arms pvp

I don't play f-f-pukes fury

[high folio]

wtf

fury > arms all day

arms is so boring

[strong forum]

Fury is the most boring spec in the game

[median tulip]

Signet forArms and Fury AIUI

[jagged pier]

arms is mega fun in pvp

[strong forum]

Hate it with a passion

[median tulip]

Never played BM?

[strong forum]

Fucking noodle flailing dogshit

[high folio]

big numbers pretty yes but it just doesnt feel good

[strong forum]

Well apart from brm and bdk

[high folio]

fury is fast and violent

[strong forum]

Na fury is perma flail of noodles fuck off

[high folio]

bruhh

[strong forum]

A bunch of nothing

[high folio]

brewmaster nightfae is p fun

the proc mechanic is p satisfying tbch

[jagged pier]

brewmaster necro

ill have 4 kegs smashes please

[high folio]

that one was cool too

[sick sentinel]

Why from pinned messages thunder lords not good with unstoppable force?

Don’t you want more uptime for demoralizing shout/ ignore pain?

[median tulip]

I use Fury for Soloing Torghast and some Elite WQs; it's basically a zero brain spec for that, due to the massive regen

[strong forum]

Cuz unstoppable force is a huge dps loss

It's a bad talent

[high folio]

i honestly just hate kyrian all around, i hated SoB and i hated weapons of order, and there aesthetic is lame

[modern brook]

spear is dope af

ur nuts

[orchid frigate]

i agree with aesthetics being lame

doesnt at all align with my orc warrior

[ocean bloom]

Thunder clap just hits like a wet noodle now

[high folio]

the nightfae one was way more fun to use imo

AA > SoB imo

[ocean bloom]

So buffing it with talents just doesn't do much of anything 10 x 0 still = 0 lol

[sick sentinel]

But the defensive aspect of demoralizing shout?

[high folio]

the night fae plate set looks goofy asf but i liked that zone more then bastion thats for sure

[strong forum]

Not worth it

If you play UF, you have to play AM

So you lose bolster

And thus your defensive aspect is out of the window

[jagged pier]

and last time i simmed UF it was a 200 dps loss

[high folio]

oh damn

[sick sentinel]

I see, I haven’t tried UF enough

[strong forum]

Don't bother

It fucks your rotation during avatar aswell

[high folio]

i didnt even like how it played in BFA personally

[median tulip]

The Rage generation from more Demoralising Shouts sounds nice, but in practical terms it doesn't work out

[sick sentinel]

Yeah felt like I was just spamming thunder clapping

Was good to hold aggro

[high folio]

ive honestly preferred ravager over more demo shouts. feel like i get way more rage overal

[strong forum]

Current build is more engaging rotation than bfa, but the rage cycling in bfa was 👌

[ocean bloom]

Ravager is so nice as prot warr

Just a feel good button at worst and its greats dmg and rage gen in aoe

[high folio]

agreed, i really like it now

i wish i wouldve comboed that w AA more often. oh my god the rage. i dont think i wouldve been able to spend it fast enough to not sit at cap

[blazing condor]

any specific ways you wanna pull the ghosts in ToP considering sang this week?

[high folio]

lots of interupts

to keep them moving

[sick sentinel]

I usually just pull a few out of a time, rather spend more time fighting safely than multiple wipes

[jagged pier]

i still do 6 and 6

[high folio]

can also keep LoSing as youre moving backwards

[blazing condor]

Pull them out of the room and just have them on the side?

[sick sentinel]

But I don’t run high M+, only around 10-12

[ionic fern]

Only thing i have done different is instead of pulling them to the corridor i pull them to the upper part so sanguine is not in the corridor.

[high folio]

then depeding on dps you could prob blow them up like normal, 6 and 6

[slender terrace]

whats wrong with thunderclap? based on the talents pin, it's apparently low priority

[blazing condor]

no good dmg

[jagged pier]

because it is low prio it does no damage

and we have a lot of rage gen already

[blazing condor]

we dont got BoM and run avatar/clap talents anymore

actually not BoM maybe

scratch that

[uneven mason]

does poo for DPS

[wanton condor]

I hate running Ravager over UF, but without a rogue or hunter I need it for snap aggro

[ionic fern]

It's fun.

And refreshing.

But to each their own.

[mighty cairn]

i like ravager but i feel like the flavor/impact of the spell could be better on use

like kyrian spear feels pretty meaty when you throw it down

[uneven mason]

Ravager is amazing

[wanton condor]

I already have spear, I don't want another ground target to throw out

and yeah, it just doesn't really feel like it has great chunky SFX

[odd nimbus]

Hey there
Have question
Can anyone check my warcraftlogs and state my problems?
First time playing melee class
First time tanking
But want to get better at the game

[jagged pier]

just link dude

[odd nimbus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/magtheridon/oldnrusty

Thanks aloot

I feel like im using ignore pain alot(see my healing done)

[jagged pier]

what u want me to look at damage taken damage done etc?

[odd nimbus]

Dps/healing

Please

[sweet summit]

very low blocked hits on the "tank buster" ability, very similar for regular melee hits as well. make sure you use shield block when actively tankinig

[jagged pier]

well our healing is irrelevant tbh why do u want me to look at that?

[sweet summit]

warrior does not have any relevant healing

[jagged pier]

yer your blocking of tank busters isnt great

but u are running AM

[odd nimbus]

I meant ignore pain
My healer mate says you do alot of self healing

[jagged pier]

so its a lot easier to mis manage sb

[sweet summit]

instead of using heroic leap you should be charging to start off an encounter with extra rage to instantly Shield Block

[jagged pier]

u dont IP doesnt heal u

[sweet summit]

looking at your most recent hungering kill

[uneven mason]

IP is a damage smoothing "mitigation" that works like an absorb, so its tracked as healing.

[odd nimbus]

Where did you get those charts?

[strong forum]

Doesn't seem horribly wrong what you're doing tbh

[sweet summit]

player -> casts -> timeline

[odd nimbus]

What should be like if i was a good prot war?

[uneven mason]

blocked hits

get that car door up

[sweet summit]

you have a lot of downtime on a boss where the only downtime should be every 1.5 minutes. are you running out with the ball?

[odd nimbus]

Cant find it😫

[strong forum]

His regular block usage is fine just for the tank mechanic he isn't blocking alot

[odd nimbus]

Im not familiar with the ball ,what do you mean?

[strong forum]

But casts and rage usage seem fine, sure timeline can be slightly improved

[sweet summit]

expunge

[odd nimbus]

Yes

[strong forum]

Don't run out with it as tank

Just make sure to not clip others

[sweet summit]

just stay on boss and hit spell reflect, then walk into the ball once youre healthy enough. spell reflect will negate the damage from the circle on you

[odd nimbus]

Owww

Noted

[sweet summit]

from a dps pov, you missed one demo shout, one spear cast and one avatar cast

[odd nimbus]

Im sure you're better than me gimme a good one from logs so i can feast on your skills 😁

[sweet summit]

all of mine are from boost runs so i dont use shield block

kinda bad to look at if youre looking to improve

[odd nimbus]

Yes i am so stressed cause we started raiding late and just killed sire hc this week i am constantly paying attention to timelines and spells and hps

Will improve i promise

[sweet summit]

wait i found a "decent" one

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LtXAqpd2gmDYjNby#fight=183&type=casts&source=1023&view=timeline

im venthyr tho so its different

but still same

idk

@staratar

[odd nimbus]

Oww shattering throw

[sweet summit]

pre cast shattering 📈

idk its a dumb habbit i have

xd

[modern brook]

precast shattering pog

[sick sentinel]

Beating abomination core or Grim codex?

[sweet summit]

they serve very different purposes

[jagged pier]

yikes what if u need it for keal shield tho

[sweet summit]

i dont tank mythic :)

[sick sentinel]

I have 197 core and 216 codex

[odd nimbus]

What are core and codex?

[modern brook]

@sweet summit this is a rotation

[sick sentinel]

Trinkets

[sweet summit]

yes thats top tier sexy rotation perfection

[sick sentinel]

I don’t have the one from DoS yet

[sweet summit]

abom for "tankyness" codex for dps

not much more to say

as they are very different in what they do

[dry spear]

Look at thos monkesque spacing

Perfect in line. White space. Damn

Art

[sick sentinel]

Raids?

[sweet summit]

yeah i dont tank mythic raids

[ionic fern]

He's a traitor.

[sweet summit]

i never tanked mythic raids :v)

well

like once

in BoD

[sick sentinel]

Mythic+?

[sweet summit]

sometimes

[ionic fern]

T r a i t o r.

[sweet summit]

Sorry :(

[sick sentinel]

Then why you here /s

[sweet summit]

i dont know

:(

[sick sentinel]

😦

[ionic fern]

Gotta remove that Protection tag.

[strong forum]

Thoughts on going max HPs pad build with HR

[sweet summit]

tru

[ionic fern]

[uneven mason]

Our healing from spamming IP with Indom isn't "nothing" but IDK if I'll ever save us from dying haha

[sweet summit]

i did that on wrathion lol

[strong forum]

Play wall + hr but never press anything but IP and SS/TC

[ionic fern]

Everyone here thinking which stats they should prioritize on gear meanwhile my cheap ass is equipping everything that has "Indestructible" on it so i can save on repair money.

[uneven mason]

WTB Indomitable healing baseline, Legion IP

[strong forum]

That would do the trick tbh

[modern brook]

its 2021 just use ur conduit

[uneven mason]

Just think Mwahi, soon you can go necrolord and pickup the conduit that repairs your gear while you fight.

[sweet summit]

memories...

[modern brook]

soulbind durability conduits are op af

[strong forum]

Give back legion IP + equip reprisal and voila, we're best tank

Defensively at least

Offensively... F

[sick sentinel]

Is impending strike ever going to be viable

:(

[sweet summit]

bounding stride?

[uneven mason]

"viable"

[sick sentinel]

The healing victory rush

[sweet summit]

impending victory?

[strong forum]

It could potentially be viable if you play around it

[sweet summit]

it has a niche

[uneven mason]

I mean, its viable

[strong forum]

But too much effort for too little gain

[sweet summit]

but overall indom is better

[uneven mason]

if you focus on utilizing it for situations where the 30% Heal will be used to its fullest.

If only it was a 15s CD

[strong forum]

Cuz actually be decent on hungering destroyer 🤔

[odd nimbus]

My versa is quite low from what I've seen
I have 12%versa
Alot of mastery
Should turn to pvp gear yeah?

[strong forum]

Don't worry about versa

[uneven mason]

don't worry about stat %

[strong forum]

Just equip highest ilvl

[uneven mason]

just worry about ilvl

All our stats are so close defensively, and we scale with str/armor/stam better than any 2nd ary

[uneven mason]

So to answer this, you'll endup with more overall healing from Indomitable in nearly all situations and the 10% buffed HP pool increases that heal (as its % based)

[odd nimbus]

Ok good to know
Now that i have all conduit guys last row opened which one is better for kyrian?
Pelagos feels nice individually but kelia the middle one seem to better for the group what to do?

[strong forum]

Pelagos

[uneven mason]

Pelagos, dat phial conduit and mastery boost

[sick sentinel]

yeah it’s better for sure

just wanted a situation where the victory rush would be better Choice

[ionic fern]

Little healer focus and you need to survive a nuke every 30s.

[uneven mason]

It shines for rage per HP

if the indom heal was baseline

(which it should be iMO)

[sick sentinel]

maybe in RBGs holding a capture point by yourself

[odd nimbus]

Take a look at my warcraft log and help me
Im talking criticism and destroying this noob that i am right now and building a master(eventually hopefully?)

😆

[signal plover]

A link would be helpful?

[odd nimbus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/magtheridon/oldnrusty

sir yes sir

like you see a little missstep call me out i will note all of it

and work it out one by one

@sweet summit about shattering throw though does it really a dps increase?

i see alot of streamers do this double charge thingy to get more rage

[sweet summit]

if you pre cast it yeah ofc its free damage, but its very minor

[modern brook]

Its precast so its literally damage for nothing

[sweet summit]

its not something id worry about

[modern brook]

you're turning the pull timer into like 2300 damage or whatever

[sick sentinel]

Use it on meat shield in ToP

If no kicks

[sweet summit]

atchually its 2.3k

[modern brook]

??

[odd nimbus]

yes yes i know that part,i dont know if im doing it consistanly or not but i know about shields and etc

[chilly brook]

Like that io you'll never have

Kekw

[sweet summit]

lmao

toxic

[chilly brook]

Shit I'm sorry

[odd nimbus]

is it time like pre cast shattering throw one throw weapon then charge into taunt?

[chilly brook]

I'm too toxic sometimes

[sweet summit]

stop thinking about shattering

[chilly brook]

Literally it doesnt matter

[jaunty pendant]

my bear has almost 30% vers

[chilly brook]

I have 99s and I dont even do it