always has been
#protection
coarse kestrel
chilly brook
We boutta lose @strong forum to the maw of D2 when this remaster comes out
patent osprey
T_T
chilly brook
Now he's a fairy
Being a fairy is amazing
dark lark
I never meant it in a demeaning way
I am curious though, about how much my overall damage would go if I was to switch from Kyrian to NF in M+
strong forum
Prolly like 200+
dark lark
I've been pretty tempted to switch for a little while now
Because I want to do more damage as arms and fury as well
So NF seem like the most versatile for all specs
tardy parcel
How bad is Spires looking this week? I only need 3 dungeons left for KSM, and it's one of them. Other two are Halls and NW but they easy
dark lark
As long as you have a competent healer for second and third boss with grievous you'll be fine
The timer on Spires is really forgiving, so as long as you don't make stupid pulls you'll be fine
rich helm
What you think when 9.1 and 9.05 are coming ?
rain lava
nice, new content
lofty widget
did we get release dates?
lusty nebula
Are there any necro warriors out there
dark lark
Not yet lol
sick sentinel
Do you guys think with the new Reprisal update it will pull ahead of Thunderlord for mythic+? I was hoping they announced double leggos today but that didnt happen haha
lusty nebula
:(. I might do it and then cry myself to sleep but meh haha
@sick sentinel we had some talks earlier, i think it will because it will allow you to take AM in M+ which will be baller.
sick sentinel
That's what I was thinking
Would we ditch Ravager for Unstoppable Force then
I feel like it would be savage
@lusty nebula I want to be Necro so bad for the armor, but I just can't see it pulling ahead atm unfortunately
I am Kyrian atm, but might fuck with NF....the vial is just very nice and spear helps a lot too....Hard decisions lol
Switched my name in here to my actual toon name btw, if that seems weird to anyone hahaha
lusty nebula
Like but facts... the transmog is so good and also the benefit in the dungeons for my group. I know that they are changing the banner to maybe be decent lol... but that is praying and future hoping. None of my toons are necro so having one would be cool but ya idk if i can do it
dark lark
Necrolord banner in its current iteration is useless. That being said, I'm assuming you're talking about m+ since you referred to your group needing a necrolord. You can push as necrolord warrior and the only thing that would be hindering you is your overall ability to do mechanics. Top prot warrior was venthyr until this week, and it has 0 benefit to m+ outside of single target and it's soulbinds. I myself pushed to 1.7k as venthyr because I was memeing condemn in pvp
And yes, the necrolord transmog might be the best
So that could be worth it lol
distant crystal
p sure the venthyr benefit is letting you into raids as a dps to get loot
dark lark
Yeah plka was venthyr for raid prog as dps
cinder nova
You don't need Venthyr to do competitive DPS
I kyrian as fury in PUGs and do fine damage, usually within top 5
Certain fights you can effortlessly top like Inerva and SK
dark lark
Well mythic prog and heroic pugs are a little different
The point is you can do well in m+ regardless of covenant
cinder nova
p sure the venthyr benefit is letting you into raids as a dps to get loot
Not responding to you, responding to this remark. Nobody should contest why the M+ top warrior tanks are Venth - most of them are just that because it's BIS DPS and arms/fury in prog
But you definitely don't need it to get orange parses.
sick sentinel
say I'm a fury warrior and I wanna switch to tank can i do so easily?
dark lark
Yeah, in my raid we have three very capable tanks. But our monk tank is also a good windwalker and because WW tuning is more busted than War DPS, here I am
lusty nebula
ya I mean i do mythic raiding we are 2/10 and progging but honestly the necro wont be an issue in raid cause meh it is what it is. thanks for the context. swapping tonight 🙂
dark lark
necro will have a slightly bigger impact for M+ than raid because of the plaguefall slime buffs and the ToP banners
that's literally it
on the plus side, you'll be caught up on renown when the 9.0.5 rework goes through 😉
dark lark
more importantly is just learning dungeon routes and how to do the pulls cleanly, particularly what to kick, how to use dungeon mechanics to speed up the run (ie necrotic wake weapons and plaguefall bombs), and just safely surviving
as well as coordinating your groups' offensive and defensive cooldowns
that's a more general tank/shot caller thing, rather than a warrior/covenant specific one
lusty nebula
more importantly is just learning dungeon routes and how to do the pulls cleanly...
👍 Thank you!
last mason
applying for keys as a non dh tank on horde feels like i might as well be applying as dps
ornate sky
at what key range?
last mason
19s
sick sentinel
I mean 19s is a pretty damn competitive key level for most people so they're literally only going to take "meta" classes. It's garbage
Prot Warrior is better than VDH because we have a shield
Boom suck it
sick sentinel
I have equipepd a total of 30 buttons on my action bar, how many am i supposed to bbe using
midnight berry
I've been having a hell of a time tanking 14s and 15s lately. It's pretty demoralizing.
I tank everything in heroic raid easily. 14 fortified I have to kite any medium to large pull
midnight berry
New necro looks solid, once 9.0.5 drops
lusty nebula
ya i know lol
wispy coral
Hi there! I don't see Duelist's Riposte on the blockable spreadsheet at all. Does that just mean IP is the only mitigation I can apply for it?
upbeat valve
New necro looks solid, once 9.0.5 drops
For M+ or Raid? Or both?
sick sentinel
I have been seeing that since Mastery is pretty low for us that Necro won't really be that good, but I don't want it to be true since I want the armor set =S
So much for not relying on borrowed power hah
wispy coral
I think 400 mastery will be good for your DPS is the thought
Plus a channeled DR and 40%hp shield on a short cooldown is pretty great
woven trellis
hey ive noticed pika went NFae and from actually reading Nya burrs and grove inspiration for tanks it looks great
u guys think its worth it?
midnight berry
For M+ or Raid? Or both?
Both for us. We have a feral and a DK that will love the mastery bump.
chilly brook
hey ive noticed pika went NFae and from actually reading Nya burrs and grove ins...
Hes messing around with all covenants he'll be going back to Venthyr most likely when the new raid releases since it's best for prog for DPS players
That being said imo NF is the best m+ pick for most people
torpid moon
been having a super hard time doing ~14s as well
sick sentinel
Okay, I've saved up enough ash for either a straight rank 4 leggo or a few rank 1s. If I was planning to do mythic+ like 85% of the time is Thunderlords still my best choice until the Reprisal changes?
I know The wall is more versatile and preferred in raids, but I am already 10/10H so raiding will be like a two night a week thing only.
Not really pushing mythic raid this tier.
median tulip
The Wall is perfectly viable for M+
Arguably on Tyrannical weeks it's the best option
lavish oracle
The Wall is just arguably the best option
not necessarily just on tyrannical weeks
torpid cliff
Chads, would like some advise. Which one would be best for M+
median tulip
Chads, would like some advise. Which one would be best for M+
Depends. How much haste do you have with each choice?
rain edge
are we thinking that the new necrolord buffs & changes will make necro prot one of the best choices?
lavish oracle
Situationally
muted nova
Think it boils down to how well you can make use of the bone shield. There's only about 4 fights mythic wise I can see the banner being not RNG. Don't know about M+.
torpid cliff
Depends. How much haste do you have with each choice?
17% with sin stained, 13% with sinful glad
sick sentinel
Id go with the Sin stained for 17% haste myself
median tulip
Definitely stick with the Haste
sick sentinel
It might have been asked already, but have we heard a rough date for 9.0.5?
I think I heard 9.1 around the May/June timeframe
upbeat orbit
Pretty sure it’s supposed to be around March, but take that with a grain of salt
sick sentinel
Im just trying to decide when Ill need to save for a rank 4 Reprisal since I think that might be the new go to for mythic+ especially with the build I am seeing
unique shale
what is good soulbind for raiding as venthyr ?
brazen path
Are there any necro warriors out there
Been necro prot since day 1
unique shale
Been necro prot since day 1
how is it ?
brazen path
It’s fine, I consider banner as a personal rally for myself, the crit for my group is just icing on top
It really isn’t a hinder
unique shale
what about soulbinds
brazen path
Marli is best for raids, emeni for m+
unique shale
do you pushing keys right
brazen path
I’m about the 12-13 range rn with my group, but that’s mostly a gear issue
unique shale
how come
brazen path
We had someone reroll a class 2 weeks after launch
flint cliff
NF-Korayn-Hold the Line: Is this 15% physical damage reduction permanent if you dont move?
little rune
how is the macro syntax for modifiers
i want to use the Alt key
would it be [Mod:Alt] or how was it?
grim wigeon
would it be [Mod:Alt] or how was it?
Yes
smoky wave
Anyone got any guides or advice on plaguefall? Struggling with it a bit (12) last night. Instantly wiffed the 13 key we had so tried it at 12 and still failed to time it. Partly tired group, partly don't know/understand the mechanics of the trash
Bosses are fine, I just get trucked between first and 2nd boss
astral crystal
You want to abuse plague borers
The aoe they do when they explode hurts enemies
So you can mass pull and use borers to just obliterate trash
I would recommend you download mythic dungeon tools so you can visualize the how and when
Also watch some videos so you can see it more clearly
But yeah PF is one of the easier dungeons once you get the hang of plague borer cheesing
smoky wave
Mmm I use mdt and dratnos' routes-ish atm. Videos on that one might help a lot, honestly hadn't occurred 🤦
echo egret
Dratnos routes often think your group is perfect 🙂
As for plague borers, when they are about to explode, you need to start moving away from them fast unless you can get the magic slow debug removed at the correct time
vocal trellis
I honestly don't like the routes by dratnos this season... As stardawn said try to use the plagueborers and the barrols to deal with pack
Don't pull too many borers at once, the debuff is hard ticking
Also be careful to not take too many stacks of the disease. It reduces all your stats by x amount stacking
blazing condor
Anyone know what the debuff is called on mobs standing within sang-pools?
signal plover
menstruation
old monolith
My wife gets that debuff from time to time
edgy cove
warr tanks need a buff in "thunder clap" of 40-60% os slow, and buff of conduit "Fueled by Violence" to do a real heal. What do u think?
smoky wave
I'm ok with having minimal self healing. If I wanted self healing I'd plays something else. A damage boost wouldn't go amiss
edgy cove
ya good all the other classes have decent minimal self-healing
tawdry scaffold
no
steel mist
and their carry buddy trashed me for doing more dps than them
as new prot war
for not having a rio or asking them to do more dps
strong forum
That's just them being assholes 🤷♂️
austere talon
Hey homies, i recently capped my Prot Warrior (chose necrolord as the reworked ability looks okayish?) and did my first raid, and im getting attrocious damage parses, but 95-100 Healing parses and good mitigation. Is the damage, because im just going up against nightfae / kyrian? I dont feel like im pressing anything wrong, but i only really spend rage on ignore pain and shield block, and not dumping any into revenge.
sorry side note, i main a prot paladin, and im an experienced raider. i understand fights, and i normally get very good parses on my paladin
jagged pier
logs?
jagged pier
we before u start trying to 'damage parse' u need to fix this
austere talon
Like i genuinely feel like im doing no damage, and i dont know if im meant to feel that way, maybe its a necrolord ability
not enough shield block uptime?
jagged pier
your using it incorrectly
u need to understand how to play defensively before u can play aggressively
but on that aggresive note
u dont press revenge
ever
thats our dps spell
austere talon
Yeah i rarely press it only on proc if i dont have to get rage for mitigation
ive been playing completely wrong then
jagged pier
pretty much
your trinkets are also horrible darkmoon deck and armour kit are not good
but that will make no difference
jagged pier
if u dont play the spec correctly
smoky wave
It won't make much odd, but the shortcut for 
is :literallytrash for a reason
jagged pier
you care about how much damage u prevent using them
thats pointless
as its a really bad mitigation tool compared to SB
on melees and physical damage
which all raid bosses do
austere talon
okay thankyou for that
yeah my mindset was when i wasnt active tank, i build up my IP to cap so when i am active tank i have it there
jagged pier
they only thing u need to do when your not tanking is to keep 30 for SB and your SB charges for when u start tanking again
any extra rage can go to revenge
jagged pier
yes
and u should run bolster in m
as it helps with sb dwontime as it gives u block while LS is up
u can take it in raid if u want and still learning fights
austere talon
Okay so when would i want to be using IP
before soaking an ability?
/ rage dump as active tank
jagged pier
you can use IP once u have SB up and you need to be more defensive
like take your IP useage comapred to mine
on your normal kill
u cast it 52 times
for hungering
on my first hungering mythic kill
i cast it 23 times
because u dont really need it
jagged pier
thats what we are here for
jagged pier
its better for damage in dungeons
and as u get higher kiting is needed more so soulshape helps
midnight jetty
whats their ability do?
cloud tide
how does ignore pain work and when is worth usiing?
jagged pier
whats their ability do?
its a very big hit that knockbacks enemies and keeps using knocking them back for 12 secs if they stand it in
and it does a lot of damage
jagged pier
how does ignore pain work and when is worth usiing?
it reduces incoming damage by 50% so if u have a 6k shield it will stop 12k damage. and u use it for magic damage and if u need to be more defensive and u have SB already up on phyical damage
cloud tide
did anyone try warrior in ptr?
midnight jetty
i take it its bad for raid?
jagged pier
i take it its bad for raid?
no
jagged pier
did anyone try warrior in ptr?
what do u mean theres no changes to us
cloud tide
necrolort covenant?
jagged pier
necrolort covenant?
hardly changes much tbh apart from u being a buff bitch
cloud tide
will that make prot warriors higher pick for raid comps?
spring quartz
Ayyy I got heart of Alar in my timewalking box
jagged pier
maybe but we are the third hiighest picked tank for raids
spring quartz
It’s a weird trinket
jagged pier
will that make prot warriors higher pick for raid comps?
theres no tuning yet, if it goes live as is and u are very high end progression its likely best u role it to go buff people during their cds, is basically how it will work
cloud tide
what about reworked unbreakable will paired with the wall ones double lego becomes avalible
devout pike
ayo guys, i have a question for hnungering mythic, do you guis reflect the expunge dmg or the ball that stays on the floor
jagged pier
ither
devout pike
feels like the expunge dmg is way higher and the ball can be absorbed by ignore pain easily rihggt?
lavish oracle
Is the reprisal change on PTR yet?
astral crystal
ayo guys, i have a question for hnungering mythic, do you guis reflect the expu...
i usually saved SR for soaking the little ball i drop
devout pike
cause i downed him, but i wanna improve the dmg mitigation
guess i can keep it for balls
astral crystal
dont recall that fight being particularly dmg intensive
devout pike
moving on artificer, gonna be a pain in the dick
well, if u are the tank with the aggro on the expunge u eat a lot of dmg cause autoattacks and expunge at the same time
shield wall everytime that shit
jagged pier
u got logs?
ionic fern
Is the reprisal change on PTR yet?
Yes. It's been for a while now.
unique jetty
thinking of rerolling from kyrian to nekrolord for M+ as they are going to buff conqueror's banner. what are your thoughts on this?
raven nebula
Is there a thread or discussion somewhere about using Ignore Pain? I use it but I don't "feel" the impact, so I'm not sure I'm using the best way or the most efficiently. Any advice is appreciated!
arctic wasp
i'm trying to decide which covenant would be better for a warrior that is mainly focus on raiding mythic and pushing keys up to 15 at moast (just for the weekly), he's currently in venthyr but i was thinking about kyrians, any thoughts ?, although general draven seems very nice for progression
arctic wasp
yeah i realize that, but which one would be best ? condemn seems very useless in mythic plus for instance
and i'm not sure if even useful in raiding unless you really need some extra dmg
how would u u se condemn in a raid encounter for instance?, instead of ignore pain ?
jagged pier
whenever u can
condemn is great for raiding
great damage good defensive
once u have sb up
and in m+ its good for bosses
not great for aoe
little rune
hello i wanted to ask you fellow prot warriors if this information is still relevant or is it now obsolete:
i guess teh values would change since the guide was made for BfA
but are the formulas still the same? Does the armor of my shield tell me how much it will block
sweet summit
first of all, AMR bad 👀
secondly, the formula is still correct
Level 60 K-values
Base/open world: 2500
M0/M+: 2455.0
Castle Nathria LFR: 2500.0
Castle Nathria Normal: 2662.5
Castle Nathria Heroic: 2845.0
Castle Nathria Mythic: 3050.0
you look at the block value on your shield, armor has nothing to do with block
little rune
ok ty :))
distant iris
So for Mordretha, I think it's better to just save spell reflect for her second scythe.. which overlaps with manifest death
because while it's nice to take no dmg for the first one, the second one happens at a very poor time, and I just seem to always get trucked when those adds come up
and the first one happens when approximately nothing is happening, can just block + IP it
also I would just like to highlight how frustrating it is to have a healer in a +8 ask why everyone is taking so much damage during soulstorm 😦
astral crystal
Just shield wall
rain spire
Hey guys. I have a little question for you? New Unbreakable Will (2 charges of Shield Wall and 50% of this effect is for all party members) sounds cool and I start thinking about built: Anger Management, Unbreakable Will, Stalwart Guardian and Brutal Vitality. It's can be hard to play because of cap of haste but what do you think?
chilly brook
Hey guys. I have a little question for you? New Unbreakable Will (2 charges of S...
Doubtful it will ever get used
You already have access to UW giving the benefit to the team right now the only thing that will change is the one on PTR gives you can extra shield wall charge. But there are tons of problems with using your best defensive as a group cooldown.
lavish oracle
I think it'll be a niche pick if we ever get 2 leggos
chilly brook
Basically
unique jetty
thinking of rerolling from kyrian to nekrolord for M+ as they are going to buff conqueror's banner. what are your thoughts on this?
lavish oracle
A) you can pretty much play whatever you want unless you're pushing world first keys B) Necrolord is gonna benefit more from a consistent, coordinated group, with classes that scale well with a 2 minute mastery buff
Basically, I don't think it's worth swapping for most people, esp for dungeons where you're giving up a big portion of your own damage, and the very strong utility Phial offers in Shadowlands dungeons
I'm sure other people have differing opinions, just my 2 cents
solemn magnet
It will be fine in m+. Would still rather be NF or kyrian.
upbeat valve
Which is better for M+ NF or Kyrian?
Or are they kinda the same?
solemn magnet
Preference probably?
mighty valley
they're close, on some weeks kyrian phial will feel like cheating
upbeat valve
Why is that? Does it negate bursting or something?
lavish oracle
Drops stacks of necrotic and grievous
upbeat valve
Nice
lavish oracle
Spear also helps a lot with kiting for necrotic
keen oasis
Maybe weird question, but I am super curious about that.
So, Demo Shout will decrease dmg that enemy hit deals to me by 20%, yes?
What if boss hits me with some DoT BEFORE I cast demo shout and then I cast it? Will damage of that DoT be also decreased by those 20% as DoT was made by the enemy hit?
lavish oracle
Demo shout doesn't snapshot
Misread the question initially
So for it's duration the dot will be reduced by 20%
strong forum
For as long as demo shout is active, it will reduce the damage you take by 20%, as soon as demoshout drops off, even the dot will do normal damage again
Snapshotting dmg intake was never a thing iirc
Dmg intake is calculated every frame basically, not on application
Except for projectiles, you can't immune a spell that's already flying towards you before you pressed said immunity, or spell reflect
hollow nebula
Guys is ilvl still most important? Like if I have 213-220 Fury/Arms gear should I swap to ~207 haste/vers stuff for prot or stick to my dps gear + sword/shield?
wanton condor
iLvl is the most important
vocal trellis
You can easily use signet for m+ as long as you not trying to push high keys
dark lark
I do 15 carries for my guild with Signet
Just trying to make it go as fast as possible
rich folio
Anyone know which healer is best for grievous this week? Pride is just shitting on all my groups on 18+ keys lol
lofty widget
any competent healer should be able to heal it.. that said i play with a shaman who doesnt seem to mind it that much
strong forum
Dps needs to use CDs for pride aswell 👍
With people only doing 3k dps pride is going to shit on your party
sweet kayak
Anyone having this problem in SOA, I throw the spear on Devos but she keeps flyng 😤
wanton condor
My basic practices to never miss spears
Always let her move once before you throw
Pray nobody has died that pull as that likes to cause bugs
sweet kayak
Yeah me too, I always wait till she moves then I throw, I did that and she spawned a new orbs then moved again
river sandal
Lads, what do we think about the recent necrolord changes? is it going to be enough to overtake kyrian/night fae as the best choice for prot?
strong forum
Not for general play no
Only if you seriously play around it with your group in raid and m+ and religiously abuse it
Then it has potential to be better
river sandal
i see
chilly brook
Not for general play no
wtb necrolord pin
📌
misty compass
NF or kyrian for m +?
heavy sail
19s is kinda fair.
Like most warriors at that level are not pugging, most pug groups that are want strictly the best available meta specs
lavish oracle
Yeah, I think you generally just wanna run your own keys, friend people you like running with, and start forming your own groups
coarse kestrel
is smothered shank any good?
sweet kettle
did they change how revenge proc works?
it feels like some dodges and parries dont give the free revenge
median tulip
Yes, they nerfed the proc rate to hell in patch 9.0
It's now a shitty normalised to 1.4pppm or something like that
It's one of the reasons we're not as good a tank as we were in BfA
lavish oracle
BFA was legitimately the most fun warrior has ever been design wise since I started playing
sturdy trench
kindred plinth
I’m thinking of going prot for m+, looking at legendaries. See any changes coming up in suggestions for 9.0.5?
sturdy sable
Reprisal looks thicc @kindred plinth
covert tiger
anyone has experience tanking as venthyr?
covert tiger
and you are NF now)
covert tiger
what's you fav so far?
minor oyster
does details track spellrefelct?
patent osprey
yes
minor oyster
I don't need a weakarua like in bfa?
covert tiger
damn. NF is not so good in PVP(
patent osprey
it's OK bajheera uses it
amber herald
can't remember the details but it scales with arms's debuffs they put on targets
scales well
unique jetty
please tell me how to survive the first big pull in DoS > 17. i've watched PIka's videos on youtube so many times and tried to do the exact same rotation he does. how to use cds properly. i don't get it
woven trellis
the first big pull is easy
its the 2nd one when u have no cd thats hard
lmao
what i do to be safe is clap the first 2, leap toward the floor, avatar, shout block IP, maybe AoE Taunt, and by that moment, it depends
if u have hakkar trinket u just press it asap and u can keep Shield wall for pack after that
but its good to use ShieldWall directly i think as u will have to kite the 2nd pack anyway
i think most likely, u should think about kicking, stunning and interupting as much as u could as well
the more uill be able to handle by urself in the first 10 sec while eveyrone is pumping, the safer ull be later when ur team is going to peel the shit out of ur ass
dont save stuff
its not bfa s4 anymore, we dont have luxury to save stuff, be like everyone pop all of ur CDs and run like a bitch
lmao
patent osprey
Last stand first pack because there is a heavy physical component to it with the big skele. Shield wall 2nd pack because magic damage and disease damage is high on that pull
is what I do anyways
kite alot on 2nd pack once SW is over
unique jetty
yeah i mean the most important thing on the 2nd pack is to kick/reflect the shadowcore spell of the big mage
patent osprey
those raptors hurt
unique jetty
but what about the first pack. if soothe is not available, you just have to run right?
patent osprey
yeah when he enraged he's also slow but if u have last stand up you can tank it
don't be afraid to kite those first 2 pulls
unique jetty
do you leap away to initiate the kite? i fee like when i try to turn and just run they only need to hit me once and i'm onehit
lavish oracle
Never turn all the way around to run
Side strafe away
You want to make sure you can always block hits from the mobs you're kiting
patent osprey
^
finite gull
What stats are people rocking for prot in keys? I genuinely feel like im getting clapped and have absolutely zero rage generation :\
patent osprey
Haste/Verse > Crit >=Mast
dawn imp
anyone have a decent H generals parse? looking to see how awful i tanked my first kill lol
deft sapphire
any advice about the first few packs of mists
the little guys with the curse + the caster mobs that kinda truck
torpid moon
curse can be dispelled from the soul cleavers , curse from small guys can be spell reflected
last mason
@patent osprey how many tries did it take you to get the plaguefall plagueborer route both memorized and so you consistently don’t die to one of the many things that oneshot you doing it that way
I’m slowly getting it
But it’s hella stressful on the tank hahaha
clever bronze
Alright, people of Skyhold. Think for me. How we feeling about this?
https://i.imgur.com/KD6PDsX.png
patent osprey
@last mason https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZsdbNcmvLc
4 Hours 1 night
helped me learn it
over 6 PFs
@clever bronze Reprisal will be bis unless thats nerfed
Too fking good
clever bronze
I feel like the minimum it could do to be nerfed is just make it so that only Intervene gains the +20 rage, making it like it was pre-SL when Charge+Intervene was Intercept.
It's a real good thing I worked up my leggo legs to rank 2.
Reading the warrior talent guide again, since I saw the pin and looked at the talents, I'm confused about the choice between AM and Bolster.
clever bronze
Do you basically just take AM in raids, and only if you're using The Wall, which you should because it's the best raid leggo?
signal plover
AM is a pretty safe pick in raids on most fights because there's tons of downtime
clever bronze
AM is a pretty safe pick in raids on most fights because there's tons of downtim...
Shouldn't it be the reverse? AM has more value the less downtime there is.
Or is it because of the downtime wasting the SB duration?
And stuff like taunt swapping
signal plover
Downtime meaning not actively tanking the boss
clever bronze
Ahhh, gotcha.
signal plover
Or gaps in boss melees because of long casts
signal plover
Allowing SB to cover effectively even without bolster
signal plover
AM only loses out on 3 rage per second from tanking.
Not sure what your point is here
clever bronze
Adding onto the reasons why it's better ._.
signal plover
Ah
clever bronze
Because if downtime means not actively tanking, then yeah I see why it's better a lot more clearly.
You still get benefit out of AM when not actively tanking, all you lose is -3 RPS
signal plover
Yep you can feel out bosses pretty early on even on mythic.
Like I played bolster for artificer prog but AM felt better after a few goes.
Darkvein was always AM
deft sapphire
a lot of darkvein damage is the dot which is not blockable anyway
so the cooldowns help more
ocean bloom
that also applies to most of the dangerous tank dmg in the raid
sturdy sable
Aside from maybe sludge fist
median tulip
Shriekwing, Sludgefist and Altimor are, I think, the ones where blockable attacks are the main boss play.
chilly brook
Even on Sludge
you don't need bolster
You get a pretty good feel on when you'd waste a shield block charge etc.
modern tundra
On sludge mythic bolster Is the better pick imo
chilly brook
Haven't done it on mythic but nothing substantial really changes for you other than being linked with your cotank
sweet summit
I played bolster because im a bitch and the dps check is a joke now
chilly brook
I played bolster because im a bitch and the dps check is a joke now
lol
But basically you should be fine to play AM on sludge
bolster gets wasted a lot on sludge imo
fallow beacon
not a prot specific question, but does anyone have a weakaura that shows a countdown to the next evasive lunge on council?
dbm does it but i just want something i can make big and obvious for mythic
sullen valve
daily reminder mwahi is nice and cute
jagged pier
native coyote
not a prot specific question, but does anyone have a weakaura that shows a count...
this WA should do the trick https://wago.io/slraid1
glacial swift
Hiya, I currently am a night fae and normally i play Fury but the guild wants me to step in as a tank on this one occasion so i am looking into protection. The guides in the pins recommend Niya as the best night-fae soulbind option. I was wondering how Korayn compares to Niya. Does anyone have any experience or info on this? Thanks in advance.
sand pebble
gloomy trail
any idea how to threat properly ? i have problems with mobs jumping everywhere
ebon hound
do dam
hasty inlet
make damage number bigger
signal plover
any idea how to threat properly ? i have problems with mobs jumping everywhere
get to pulls ahead of DPS, use revenge more at the start once you have SB up, play ravager and supplement those with covenant abilities
maiden ravine
lol, why the heck is it only druids that got offered a hymnal today
lofty widget
howre ppl dealing with hakkar on higher keys? like when do you lust etc?
outer solstice
daily reminder mwahi is nice and cute
I support this
mild compass
howre ppl dealing with hakkar on higher keys? like when do you lust etc?
We used last on Harvard, killed in 24 seconds. +11
Lust on hakkar, autocorrect lol
amber herald
lust and pride, pop all cooldowns
outer solstice
lust, pride, pot, CDs, and keep the boss at the place the adds come in
dry spear
field emitter for tanks ist a good trinket right?
outer solstice
yes
but don't try to force standing in it, the duration is short and proccrate is high
if positioning doesn't allow for it, just wait for the next
astral crystal
howre ppl dealing with hakkar on higher keys? like when do you lust etc?
you want hakkar dead as soon as humanly possible
blow your group's entire load on him
fierce phoenix
Does anyone have a macro for charge and intervene on the same key bind?
fierce phoenix
Ty
hexed rune
with the changes to the Covenant abilities coming up, is Kyrian still the best option?
remote dawn
For M+ i think yep phial and Spear is Giga
odd verge
Still gonna love that Phial, immediate rage gen and tethering of the spear.
But our Archon is really weak.
high folio
Hiya, I currently am a night fae and normally i play Fury but the guild wants me...
niya is better overall for prot but i believe korayn is a bit better for damage
high folio
howre ppl dealing with hakkar on higher keys? like when do you lust etc?
i think you can spell reflect a portion of piericing barb as will if memory serves
midnight stone
I think it deflects
outer solstice
niya is better overall for prot but i believe korayn is a bit better for damage
the other way around, Niya is the stronger offensive option
high folio
the other way around, Niya is the stronger offensive option
oh yeah thats right, i think korayn was better for ST damage in fury. my b.
timber abyss
Hey All, I'm a Venthyr Off tank, been picking it up more recently, been doing ok in M 15s but sometimes it can be a bit tough (Necro Wake etc with magic damage). I see a lot taking Draven with the Built for War talent, any viability instead going for Superior Tactics and the Double Endurance Conduit? (Or even triple if you drop the 15% DoS shield)
I don't see much about it in the Pins so was curious if this is a good option if struggling with magic damage
high folio
i run nadjia and get the two endurance conduits from there
outer solstice
oh yeah thats right, i think korayn was better for ST damage in fury. my b.
I think now with the last row unlocked Niya is by far the best one Korayn is suitable for M+ with the first strike stuff, works good on fights with adds comign over and over again too
timber abyss
I'll take a look at Nadija and see if I can work with her, I also use her at Arms haha so might need to tinker
high folio
I think now with the last row unlocked Niya is by far the best one Korayn is sui...
i think youre right, i havent ran night fae since like renown 21
outer solstice
yeah niya burrs go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
high folio
I'll take a look at Nadija and see if I can work with her, I also use her at Arm...
yeah i just swap my paths and change a potency conduit when switching specs, nemesis for fury and refined pallet for prot
high folio
yeah niya burrs go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
yeah ive heard theyre nuts, i kinda wish i didnt swap venthyr
timber abyss
yeah i just swap my paths and change a potency conduit when switching specs, nem...
Ye this is probably the smartest plan, surprised Draven isn't the pick thanks to the free DR but the haste from Thrill Seeker probably makes up for it
high folio
Ye this is probably the smartest plan, surprised Draven isn't the pick thanks to...
yeah you can proc that mini lust quite a bit in keys, and i mean even with draven you still have to kite a ton as it is
timber abyss
yeah you can proc that mini lust quite a bit in keys, and i mean even with drave...
True that, there's no real going toe to toe with enemies. Any viability in Theotar's double Door of Shadows in that case? Just looking around at options since really it's just the heavy magic damage dungeons that are trucking me
high folio
True that, there's no real going toe to toe with enemies. Any viability in Theot...
not really i dont think, its up to your group to be ontop of interupts and cc to help keep you up. rotate SR and your other cds as well as you can to keep yourelf up. contrary to popular belief your deaths in keys arent always your fault.
timber abyss
not really i dont think, its up to your group to be ontop of interupts and cc to...
That's fair, I appreciate it, gonna try a PF 15 later will Guildies, will try it with Nadija and see how it goes, ty again!
timber abyss
Ye that's true haha, no nigh-unkillable Boss 3 /4 to worry about, hopefully will be one more knocked off the KSM
open monolith
there is very little unavoidable damage that goes out from the trash
most of it is simple "don't stand on that swirlie" and "don't get hit by the frontal"
high folio
That's fair, I appreciate it, gonna try a PF 15 later will Guildies, will try it...
good luck!
timber abyss
I have a feeling I'll be keeping Intim Shout, Shockwave & our Boomie's Beam for the gunk slimes haha but should be good
timber abyss
good luck!
Thank you!
open monolith
boomie's beam should be moreo than enough
you talking about the 3 slimes after the 1st boss? or the slime before 1st boss
timber abyss
3 after Boss 1, I know there's a bomb nearby but that pull seems to go Sour on us, I think it's due to us not saving Convoke / big cds for it
Will suggest that + beam before hand
open monolith
there are 2 plague borers, and a patrol with a red slime right before those 3 slimes
if you want to be REAL conservative, trap / cc the plague borers, pull the patrol w/ 1 plague borer, nuke plagueborer down, this should kill that patrol
Then, bring the 2nd trapped plagueborer to the 3 gunk slimes.
You then have 2 more barrels left, one in the slime which you can use for the huge pull at the next stair case
and one in the middle of the pathway, which you can use on the prideful 🙂
timber abyss
I'll try it, the rest of our run usually goes really well so if we take that bit carefully we should be able to time it! (Then again last few times we miss-timed mainly because Tyra Boss 4 is awful haha and that's no problem this week)
Thank you both for all the tips!
open monolith
what is your comp? prot warrior + ?
timber abyss
Prot Warr / Ele Sham / Balance Druid / Disc Priest (Or Resto Druid, he plays both) / Frost Mage
open monolith
Great! so Sheep one of the 2 plagueborers, pull the 2nd one along with the patrol + red slime
Then have balance druid Sun Beam the 3 gunk slimes once you pull the sheeped plagueborer to them, and focus the plagueborer down
that should clean up that pull easily.
timber abyss
Heck ye 🙂 gonna be excited to knock that one off, Sanguine Depths will be the last awful 15 on the list then
open monolith
(we usually do all at once. 3 gunk slimes + the patrol + 2 plague borers)
I have 3 15s left (I've been running on my holy pally, I retired my warrior)
timber abyss
Haha I might try that once we get 1 15 knocked off, don't wanna go too over-zealous quite yet
open monolith
SD, TOP, mists
timber abyss
ToP is pretty nice this week, was able to do it pretty well, only the Lich area being painful.
Mists is a dream to have left haha
SD is SD, we will get there!
timber abyss
Haha what is catching them?
open monolith
we cleared PF 15 on tyrannical week lik eit was a joke
It's usually the fucking maze mobs
I know.
dumb.
I think they are letting Shapers cast bramblethorn entanglement, which is then REALLY hard to heal through
outer solstice
I mean, you really hack to kick the maze mobs, there are some really annoying casts
open monolith
so just need to clean up interrupts
yeah. Shapers and Tenders can't be allowed to cast.
TOP15 is a nightmare this week for a holy pally
timber abyss
Ye absolutely that would do it, I can see that being a struggle in Mists
open monolith
healing through rift guardians followed immediately by prideful is pure physical torture
but i made a route that makes pridefuls spawn separate from those, so that will be easier if we get that key
and SD 15 is a nightmare every week.
Thank you Blizzard.
timber abyss
Ah yea I can't say much there, as a Prot Warr I pretty much just popped Last Stand and was immune to Rift Guardians haha, I feel for the pallys
open monolith
it's the 2nd rift guardian that is a problem
the group I ran my 17 top with was a pug, and they didn't CC the soulbinder
it is.. like legitimately not possible to heal through rift guardian + soulbinder + pride right after.
soulbinders necro volley is easy to interrupt, but most people don't realize he also has a huge damage 8 second dot that he casts like, every 4 seconds (no cast time)
lofty widget
you can get pride for that pack if you clear the 3 skeletons in the xav wing right after first boss and then go to kul'tharok wing
and skip the first 3 in the beginning
open monolith
I am going to use a route that just slightly changes pride timings in lich wing
After 1st boss, pull the 2 big guys, and ONE small guy pack in abomination wing
then go to lich
that will put prides 1 pull AFTER the rift guardian pull, rather than directly after the rift guardian
which also has the added benefit of giving you pride for lich
mighty cairn
does that still give pride for kultharok? I've always ran the route that clears Xav -> 2 packs of Gorechop -> portals, but pugs always freak out on the pride spawn with one deathspeaker + 2 casters before boss
lavish oracle
Should spawn right as you kill that pack depending on which portals you take
It's intended to be used with the right -> left route afaik
mighty cairn
yeah that's the route I've been taking, with the extra pull of 2 bone mages after the soulstorm guy
there's just way too many things that can go wrong in the top portals
between the casts, party wide dmg, tornadoes, pride spawns, etc
mighty cairn
yea sanguine/fort/grievous also makes most of the dungeon unfun
the soulbinder hallway on prot warrior feels awful if you don't have dps utility helping you out
lavish oracle
I think Top is my least favorite
What I end up doing is invising to the other side because otherwise it's a headache
mighty cairn
yea that makes sense - we've tried pulling half to the original hallway, invising, and pulling the other half
sanguine ends up polluting the first hallway really fast and it takes a while to get through it tho
open monolith
Can you still cheese the gauntlet in SD by pulling Kaal all the way back to the 3rd boss room?
gaunt dawn
you drag her back
and you re-engage her before she gets back
and becuase you're still close
she proxy pulls back to you
open monolith
oh i thought she goes fully immune as she is running back
You can tag her as she is running away?
open monolith
Interesting.
wish I could find a video of someone doing it. I just wanna see what it looks like
lavish oracle
Honestly, I feel like the scariest pull in that hall doesn't even have Kaal in it
Sentinel + animate weapon dudes
lofty widget
fun fact: the skirmishers doesnt recast animate weapon if you stun them
makes pulls with those mobs in them 10 times easier
wicked lantern
fun fact: the skirmishers doesnt recast animate weapon if you stun them
MVP
open monolith
has anyone tested the claim about forcing Rek to spawn vs Ardent Nevermore in TOP?
lofty widget
yea it works, need to make sure that the other dude has her shield down AND that the guy you want to live isnt casting anything (ground circle for example)
open monolith
When you say "shield down", do you mean like, isn't channeling the big shield frontal thingy?
open monolith
gotcha
accidentally got the shield dude on +17 on my holy pally.
Boy was that butthole clenchingly hard to heal
lofty widget
YEP
smoky wave
So how do you set off the rp? , I've not done it enough times to guess at it.
wanton condor
What's the trick there?
lofty widget
it's just based on proximity, so you need to stand a bit back until the shield goes down and then move in
wanton condor
Gotcha
timber nest
how do we feel about this trinket
wanton egret
Hello boys I need help with SD last boss. I didnt time a +14 by a five seconds, and I think it was my fault since I lost a lot of time in the corridor with Kaal and dogs. Im not sure what to do. Focus kaal down 70? Advance fast to take all adds cause dogs since they multiplify so fast? Idk I think i was pretty slow but because i was feeling if we advanced we would wipe.
strong forum
corridor is always slow
if you and your DPS have CDs you can pull 2 packs, otherwise just go pack by pack, try to push boss 10% each time at first pack if you wanna play it safe
theres no real magic there to be done
it just takes long
open monolith
@wanton egret how many deaths did you have?
not you personally, your group
if the answer is more than zero, and literally any of those were somebody taking avoidable damage, than it definitely wasn't your fault 🙂
at least, not entirely.
valid zodiac
Is it only me who prefers Tyrannical week instead of Fortified?
valid zodiac
Idk what is it with Fortified but I have a feeling like noone uses cooldowns for any major packs let alone prides
strong forum
on low keys tyra is always easier cuz trash just flops to everything all the time, bosses arent dangerous enough yet to be really dangerous
open monolith
tyrannical week is much easier for tanks, pretty much always, but it is significantly harder for the group as a whole, especially the healer.
valid zodiac
The highest I've done are 16s am
open monolith
Mechanics are more punishing on boss fights, and if you spend 4 minutes on a boss and wipe, GG your key is done
whereas if you wipe on trash, you can at least partially kill the pack and come right back
strong forum
yeah thats still where affixes dont mean shit
but once bosses can take 3min+, thats where the difference between tyra and fort is a major cockblock
open monolith
affixes definitely still matter on 16s. Whether or not they matter has everything to do with your group's coordination and your group's ilvl
I wouldn't dismiss a 16 so easily, for the vast majority of the entire playerbase.
strong forum
ye but the higher you go, the bigger the difference between tyra and fort will be
wicked lantern
yeah thats still where affixes dont mean shit
Lol the fuck...
rare dagger
Hello there, should I take hands or feet slot for the Thunderlord legendary ?
ionic fern
Yes.
small marsh
how long is the shield block that charge and intervene give you with it?
rare dagger
ty
ionic fern
It's a normal SB.
ionic fern
Yes we can.
small marsh
lil ping pong action, hot diggity shit
ionic fern
🙂
small marsh
that seems worth taking over The Wall, imo
ionic fern
Depends on the dungeon/damage type.
small marsh
true
ionic fern
Some dungeons still prefer The Wall.
small marsh
yeah if it's a magic heavy dungeon, kinda SOL
I'm very excited for this patch to hit 🙂
ionic fern
I'm not.
small marsh
how come?
ionic fern
I hope they nerf it.
ionic fern
It's way too strong right now comparing to some other legendaries.
It provides a ton of rage(from the cast itself and then the free Revenge) on top of the insane up time on SB.
small marsh
that's fair, yeah I'd take it JUST for the SB uptime
ionic fern
SB is just too strong to have 100% uptime compared to other mitigations.
small marsh
jesus that legendary is (functionally) +70 charge on intervene/reprisal with the free revenge and SB
ionic fern
In blockable damage content of course.
small marsh
yeah
and I suppose with bolster and, what, 25% haste, we can get like 51 sec of continuous SB anyway
and bolster cuts LS cooldown enough that you can do it most packs
I'm happy for it if only because pugging M+ as a prot warrior is extremely frustrating
lime urchin
what trinkets are yall using in twisted corridors
ionic fern
I'm happy for it if only because pugging M+ as a prot warrior is extremely frust...
How come?
small marsh
I love me quantum cube forever and ever
small marsh
How come?
pubs consider it off meta and garbage
and don't understand that meta and optimality don't matter even a bit until you're at like 20+ keys
and just playing good is more important
🤷
I gotta run to do some errands, but thank you for the conversation!
dull zodiac
How ridiculous is reprisal
Charge in get free block get boatload of rage and get a free revenge?!
So u charge in u get a block u can instantly ignore pain and do a fat aoe attack
Ok?
ionic fern
So u charge in u get a block u can instantly ignore pain and do a fat aoe attack
More like..Charge in and get triple Revenges out.
open monolith
if the Reprisal change goes live, double time becomes mandatory, right?
ionic fern
I'm running DOuble Time regardless so i'm already in the game.
dull zodiac
I mean its very very good synergy , but without it u can alrdy have 100% block uptime?
open monolith
yeah reprisal... can't go live like this
it's way too good
like, eclipsing the value of everything else waaaaay too significantly
dull zodiac
I will run double time but i dont think its mandatory
Ye plus i dont like the idea of playing like that tbf
open monolith
I mean if it goes live like this, i'll 100% run it and have a great time
ionic fern
I enjoy DOuble Time way too much to give it up.
open monolith
but, it's too strong.
ionic fern
👀
stoic igloo
if reprisal makes it to live untouched lol
ionic fern
Maybe take intervene out of the lgendary?
96% i did without INtervene.
stoic igloo
if anything itll remove rage gen or full duration mitigation
such an overloaded legendary
I mean Ill be fine if it goes live
open monolith
it's like... actually better than that guardian legendary now
stoic igloo
it's not like convoke hasn't been touched all tier
dull zodiac
Convoke is fine 😠
dull zodiac
Whats wrong with it?
dull zodiac
How?
Its not even played above 2k
Any decent arena team will instantly interrupt it
Alot of serious boomkin pvpers play kyrian
If that’s problematic what about sub/ fire in 2s deleting u in a global?
stoic igloo
i think the main point is that
it wont be that farfetched if reprisal makes it to live
dull zodiac
It isnt fun to get deleted in openworld from 45 yards when u are not expecting it i can agree with that
Yea ur right
This is a warr discord :p
Back to the matters at hand
mellow patio
Blizzard is too afraid to touch Convoke because it can fk up everything to do with that class
mellow patio
I noticed with your passion
dull zodiac
Haha sorry 😛
mellow patio
I’ve always said if convoke could randomly shift you to bear form I would approve
deep steppe
🐻
waxen steppe
Anyone use Never Surrender?
jagged pier
no and u never should
waxen steppe
Indomitable just better?
jagged pier
yes
waxen steppe
Same with Heavy Reprecussions. I quiet like this one
jagged pier
not better than bolster
waxen steppe
I find Heavy just gives me more use
jagged pier
in what situation
waxen steppe
in general. throughout a dungeon
jagged pier
i find that very hard to believe tbh
u might not be using bolster correctly
or getting very lucky with HR
stoic igloo
i love bolster
strong forum
the unreliability of HR is what makes it bad
nothing worse than having SB fall off after not getting an SS reset
open monolith
I think the only people who DONT like bolster are the ones who take it but treat last stand as an emergency button
Bolster is an offensive cooldown. Change my mind.
waxen steppe
I am pretty new to tanking on a warrior and tanking in general so thanks for the advice
So last stand something you would pop as youu charged into a big pack?
i think im like what someone asid.. i use it more for emergencys
open monolith
I'm referring specifically to Last Stand with the talent, Bolster
it then becomes just another button you press to get shield block
jagged pier
we dont have emergency button
open monolith
which you should be pressing nearly on cooldown
jagged pier
we just have buttons that fill the gap in SB downtimw
deep steppe
Guys, should I respec Necrolord ?
wait for any changes to go live
jagged pier
wait for tuning
open monolith
I don't care how good necrolord becomes, I'll never not be Kyrian. Spear feels so good to use, and phial is bae.
deep steppe
I don't care how good necrolord becomes, I'll never not be Kyrian. Spear feels s...
^this
waxen steppe
Ok does this sound bad or good talent wise
Devastator
Rumbling Earth
Booming Voice
Crackling Thunder
Indomitable
Ravager
Bolster
feral gale
is fueled by violence AND brutal vit worth running for keys or should i keep unnerving focus? assuming same ilvl conduits
jagged pier
i think im like what someone asid.. i use it more for emergencys
u use last stand when u dont have sb charges with bolster it gives u block and gives u time to recharge your charges, and without its just a more health buffer to keep u alive when u dont have SB
open monolith
rumbling earth should be stormbolt
jagged pier
is fueled by violence AND brutal vit worth running for keys or should i keep unn...
never Fueld
jagged pier
is fueled by violence AND brutal vit worth running for keys or should i keep unn...
unvering always and if u run the wall u should take stalwart if not brutal
open monolith
i think unnerving loses a LOT of value if you don't take bolster
jagged pier
nah
open monolith
well I mean, literally yes
jagged pier
its great for defensive even without bolster
jagged pier
right but we dont have any better conduits
and u can use LS as a dps cooldown sort of with the conduit as well when u dont need the block
open monolith
Brutal Vit might be better, at higher ilvls when IP doesn't get wiped out in 2 seconds, without Bolster.
jagged pier
can spam alot of executes
waxen steppe
crackling thunder should be the leap one (in my opinoin)
Just for mobility?
open monolith
yeah. You don't really need crackling thunder
chilly brook
Unnerving is big execute pump
open monolith
Yeah that's true.
feral gale
yeah i just noticed the amount of dam im doing with deep wounds over a key isn't small
stoic igloo
I wish condemn did a little something something for prot
open monolith
FBV isn't gonna give you enough healing to usually matter.
chilly brook
I mean it does
open monolith
At least not enough to outshine the other shitty conduits we have
jagged pier
I wish condemn did a little something something for prot
its great on ST
stoic igloo
jagged pier
hence why its great on ST
open monolith
isn't the amount of damage blocked by condemn pretty equivalent to Ignore pain?
so in that regard, it's just a better rage dump for 40% of the fight, offensively and defensively? ST only
feral gale
everyone saving up their soul ash for reprisal now? i started making thunderlords but im finding wall more useful in keys, having a shield wall at the right moments seems to trump always demo'ing but maybe im bad
open monolith
if it goes live like it is? yes
jagged pier
i was saving it up anyway tbh as i have nothing to spend it on 🤷
open monolith
i already have rank 4 wall and TL
and I don't play fury or arms
nothing else worth crafting
strong forum
sitting on nice 3.6k already
stoic igloo
mid march 9.05 late may for 9.1 😰
open monolith
||I'm joking it will be sooner calm down||
jagged pier
well speculation is august for 9.1 or some shit cant wait to keep killing CN till then
stoic igloo
august seems a little too late
amber herald
october at least
stoic igloo
idk
open monolith
6 months per raid tier is "average" I think.
jagged pier
really
open monolith
if they push out this raid tier until august
we'll have WoD 2.0
and this game will suffer, a lot
stoic igloo
hfc poggies
jagged pier
thats fine wod raids were great
stoic igloo
@open monolith hfc was longer by 6 days per google
open monolith
I'm actually surprised they were so close
stoic igloo
each tier in shadowlands will be longer than 400 days, pog
jagged pier
@strong forum thought u might like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BrfQxkAXZc&ab_channel=Cluey
strong forum
technically with his first statement he is correct, technically you dont need a raidleader if youre good
its just ALOT More efficient if 1 person tells everybody what to do so they can pay less attention to mechanics
chilly brook
Big facts if everyone knows the positioning for everything and watches the timers and does their job
It's not necessary
But it does help
A lot
strong forum
i personally never needed a RL, and hate that its needed
chilly brook
Well it's good to have
Theres things RLs can do that players can't if it's a prog environment that requires a lot of focus
It's kinda the whole 21st man thing that max talked about
strong forum
21st man raiding is just tryharding on another level
chilly brook
Yes but it also works
strong forum
for those pushing top 5 / top 10, sure but for just playing the game
its a little much
chilly brook
Yea it has significant drawbacks too
I'm just saying RLs catch things that individuals can't always in the moment
21st man just means you can have the RL focus on everything going on without having to focus on playing well at the same time
strong forum
ofc
timber nest
feelsgoodman
chilly brook
But really the value a raid leader brings is just consistency and upholding a pace/standard/helping balance cooldown usage
fringe oyster
Why do we go niyah over korian for night fae conduits . I feel like korian “should” be much better
strong forum
Whichever gives you the burrs trait
fringe oyster
Is burrs that good?
strong forum
Niya is like 300x better than korayn I just checked
Like, korayn give nothing
Absolutely nothing
fringe oyster
Well then LOL
strong forum
Niya gives you huge uptime on mastery + the 150 dps from burrs
When korayn gives you... 15% less physical dmg taken when standing still
wanton condor
doesn't he have the bonus damage at the start of pulls?
strong forum
For 5 seconds
strong forum
25% more crit for 5 seconds on pull is veeery lack luster imo
wanton condor
wild hunt tactics + first strike is pretty strong
wanton condor
My main is ele, which has to ramp in AOE and it is incredibly ahead in aoe areas. Burrs is pure ST and I'm not sure prot really gets that much from the mastery bump?
fringe oyster
Idk I’ know the seed one sucks lol
chilly brook
I mean it's a huge amount of mastery
fringe oyster
But the other 2 I thought were closer than I thought
strong forum
Mastery is % AP gain
chilly brook
And uhhhh
We kinda already have the data
Yes I know hectic add cleave isn't perfect
chilly brook
Niya is just big for prot tbh
wanton condor
so I run that, current is pegalos
like a 5m sim is going to evaporate first strike as a conduit choice
chilly brook
First strike kinda evaporates anyways unless you slam TC as you charge in
And they dont melee you before it goes off on all of them
fringe oyster
I couldn’t do another tank that was kyrian so I went night fae with my warrior
I regret nothing
fringe oyster
I wish the scale dropped from anywhere but de other side . That dungeon gives me ptsd man
red dock
would Impending Victory+Indelible Victory conduit be a decent combination for M+?
or is indomitable still going to self heal for more
fringe oyster
Indomitable is the way to go
open monolith
pulling kaal to the 3rd boss room definitely does not work anymore
fringe oyster
I didn’t even know you could do that LOL
feral gale
might be a dumb question but can you shift sideways or find any way to mitigate the evasive lunge from stavros? M Council is smashing my head in atm. All I can do is stack up my largest IP and hope for a quick top
feral gale
yeah we do, but it sucks to take such a large back shot
especially when we need to move for dancing partners or something similar
formal geyser
fringe oyster
Do you guys run torghast as prot?
I can’t seem to clear past layer 7 as prot . I don’t do enoug damage I think
jolly spindle
ehh
u can cheese torghast as prot
with stormbolt shockwave and pummel
u can stun bosses permanently
feral gale
the heroic leap/charge damage increase is pretty much required
wanton condor
Council question; can you block the lunge? Do you need to spin around to do so?
feral gale
just asked same: seems you can if you turn quick enough but I haven't found any vids showing it in action
i have however parried it a few times
fierce juniper
just go try it in lfg i guess, the damage from lunge is so low and the raid dps is low which allow you to practice so many time
dull zodiac
is quantum device any good for us?
outer solstice
Do you guys run torghast as prot?
if you don't do enough damage try arms or fury and don't forget victory rush,... though I really love impending victory
fringe oyster
if you don't do enough damage try arms or fury and don't forget victory rush,......
I may try to rework my build. I never thought of permanently stunning bosses LOL
fringe oyster
all the time
Through powers and stuff? I gotta farm soul ash for the wall , I already made thunder lord but I’m regretting it now lol
outer solstice
yeah there are powers that extend the duration of dbts for arms
better ask over tehre or check some thorghast guides on arms
arms is literally a cakewalk
fierce juniper
but tbh even in prot i take nearly no damage after the first floor iirc
the 10% additional health on ip plus the immodibole, you just cant die even with full stack on boss
viscid agate
Question The unbreakable will leggo does it also affect raid or only the party?
fringe oyster
Maybe I’m just bad as prot in torghast LOL
outer solstice
Question The unbreakable will leggo does it also affect raid or only the party?
don't try it, it's not worth it even with the buffs
many problems in throghast can be overcome with high DPS
viscid agate
i didnt try it i just want to know
outer solstice
just party I think
viscid agate
im the wall 100% always
fierce juniper
and 100% sb when 9.0.5 is up
viscid agate
sb is?
viscid agate
the charge leggo
outer solstice
tbh I don't think it'll replace the wall, at least for raid
fierce juniper
yep for raid still the wall
outer solstice
I think many of the legendary changes are already for a potential double legendary setup later on in the exp.
especially unbreakable
astral crystal
The WoW Q&A called the Sylvanas raid encounter one of the most epic fights ever made in WoW, and confirmed that the Archon survives the Jailer's surprise attack.
we're safe bois...
lunar perch
The Archon's OF lives on?
viscid agate
my waifu is alive
fierce juniper
but there is a few scenario that you actually take heavy damage together with the raid
amber herald
yesss
outer solstice
ewww
amber herald
the milkers are ok
fierce juniper
like sire knock back
gilded plume
is The Wall legendary good for Mythic+´?
outer solstice
y
fringe oyster
I think thunder lord is overrated
Doesn’t seem to help me as much as I expected it to
outer solstice
wall is the more defensive option, especially the rage gain is super helpful
I somehow feel like wall should be baseline
it makes prot so much more enjoyable
fringe oyster
Yeah . That might help fix us LOL
outer solstice
not that alone ^^
it might be a start
same with AM baseline for every warrior specc
it's a reall cool and nearly unique mechanic
only mages have something remotely similar I think
little rune
during the sludgefist encounter if im main tanking and i intercept my offtank will i eat the Giant fists mechanic that deals damage to him?
outer solstice
you should I think
little rune
it would make sense right?
outer solstice
oh well it's treated like a melee attack
little rune
and since it lasts 6 seconds i could time it to mitigate 2 of those attacks
fringe oyster
I wish prot could have blade storm that would add some dps
outer solstice
you don't want to take both hits on sludge
little rune
well you do have bladestorm if you get the signet of the kings leggo