protection

[wanton condor]

ugh, it's over a week ago so I can't find the stored sim, but you press it if you're otherwise going to cap

[chilly brook]

Did like all of nax or something on bear

[mighty valley]

yes, it was possible, but with the 2006 level of play, you were doing yourself a disservice by not having a warrior mt

still are tbh

[chilly brook]

Eh

Its classic it's a joke

Comparatively anyways

[mighty valley]

how old were you when vanilla was current?

[chilly brook]

You could realistically fill the raids with all non optimal classes rn and be fine

That was what 04?

8ish

[outer solstice]

2x

[mighty valley]

we had another vanilla bear tank who made it a personal mission to tank all of ZG. he also sucked at the game in general and was a huge asshole

almost everyone from the group he dragged through quit the guild, it was so exhausting being around this person

anyway vanilla at the time for most guilds was about scraping together enough players who understood the game to carry the other 60+% of the raid who were just making it up as they went along lol

"why are you wearing this arcane resist green"

"i dunno it might come up"

[uncut finch]

Quick question- If you are at 90 rage with no SB available, and you get a SS proc, do you use it right away? Or do you revenge?

[strong forum]

i would IP and SS

or revenge - ss

also works

[chilly brook]

^

[strong forum]

tbh

[uncut finch]

Well of IP is up too

[strong forum]

both is perfectly fine

[mighty valley]

IP probably isn't capped

[uncut finch]

What Im trying to ask.. is it more important not to rage cap? Or use bigger damage? Which in this case is SS

[outer solstice]

if you play AM

it's 100% better to not cap

[uncut finch]

I do play AM

[outer solstice]

even if you pump it into a useless IP

[uncut finch]

Cool

Even if I alreay have IP up

[outer solstice]

yes

[uncut finch]

Go for another one

[outer solstice]

even if it's capped

[uncut finch]

Thx

[tulip oar]

Any NF prot warriors got any solid use out of Korayn's standing still trait?

[outer solstice]

nah

Niya > all

Niya too stronk

[tulip oar]

Yeah, kinda figured.

[outer solstice]

I mean you have to be standign still quite a long time

[tulip oar]

Yeah, which at 15+ is not happening

[outer solstice]

on some bosses maybe

but it's so annoying to play

[tulip oar]

Thanks for the feedback

[uneven mason]

I can't think of any situation where I'd want to self root

for a benefit

[mighty valley]

Dunno if the NF one is the same, but the Venthyr one sticks around for 6 seconds, so in most raid fights it can have decent uptime

it's just stam and healing done, so it still kind of sucks, but...

[uneven mason]

"Checks his warrior healing abilities"

actually I might try out that 15% physical DR

it'd be annoying to play around

but its 15%

Not like burrrrrz is doing anything for me.

thinking of bleeds in some fights, since thats physical damage.

[wanton condor]

btw, is there a default profile for APL work? Was just trying to recreate my old on on my character (go a bit over a 100dps out of it through some conditionals for pure dps) but I don't want to make any more claims without comparing against the dummy

also getting some really weird results on it regardless in terms of action priority

[flint wraith]

Best race for warrior?

[sweet summit]

the one you think looks the coolest

the "good racials" are:
dwarf
belf
vulpera?
panda?

race will most likely not make any difference, most of us just go for looks

[uneven mason]

Best racial is FemOrc animations

[steel mist]

guys

animafield emitter or pulsating stoneheart as trinket

both are same ilvl

[sweet summit]

they serve different purposes

[steel mist]

i got the trinket from hungering

[sweet summit]

well, vendor pulsating stoneheart to begin with

and use anima field emitter

[steel mist]

thnk you

[uneven mason]

imagine having enough trinkets that you have a choice

[chilly brook]

Panda is highly slept on tbh

[sweet summit]

just get them 4head

[uneven mason]

I finally got a weapon

[sweet summit]

nice

[uneven mason]

perhapse RNGesus will finally grant me a scale

a 220 weapon

but still, better than the hand me down 213 I had

[chilly brook]

40/60 stats from food is really good and you also get an incap that you can use to stop casts

Super useful

Tbh

[steel mist]

well i made kultiran female

[sweet summit]

yeah the extra stop is real nice

[uneven mason]

iirc their racial procs herbs

[mighty valley]

kul tiran has BIS cool looking jacket

[steel mist]

brush it off seems nice

[uneven mason]

so big haste buff if you're NF

[sweet summit]

its nice, but like any other passive racial you dont notice it

[chilly brook]

Plus

[sweet summit]

im not a big fan of their active racial due to the cast time

[chilly brook]

Pandas have best animations

[sweet summit]

but its not wrong

[chilly brook]

Just sayin

[undone lagoon]

<<<Pretty new and wanting to learn a bunch more. I have read both Icyveins and Wowhead guides back and forth. Any content creators or videos to research with. I have made Heroic prog to Stone legion with a fresh guild as prot. having tons of fun.

[sweet summit]

lovely to hear mate! hope youre enjoying the spec

[uneven mason]

👍

[undone lagoon]

Basically any more or anywhere else to turn to get better. wowanalyzer doesnt seem to support our spec?

[uneven mason]

A new prot whose first question wasn't "How much vers do I need to stack" I like

[sweet summit]

it should still be updated for current patch

[chilly brook]

Great people you can check out, Plka, Sense, PawRevere has raid content iirc

[steel mist]

i made the kul tiran inspired from aveline in da 2

[undone lagoon]

@chilly brook Thank you so much!! I am getting the end of researching builds. Very thankful to find somewhere to watch/practice implementation.

[chilly brook]

I've got like one m+ video

Kekw

Cuz I've been a lazy boi

[undone lagoon]

@sweet summit i beleive i saw that the writer isn't continuing because of a paywall on the timeline feature

[sweet summit]

yeah he pulled out. but it still works fine!

[undone lagoon]

@chilly brook you got me beat. I have 0 videos, ..... because i suck lol

[uneven mason]

I mean, its far more valuable to learn to read your own logs

[chilly brook]

Its still up to date

[sweet summit]

you can always post logs here and people more often than not take a look if they have time to do so

[undone lagoon]

@sweet summit NOW thats GREAT NEWS!!!!! Its has usually worked well for me on DPS, is it still constructive direction for tank specifics?

[uneven mason]

ehh

It's good for general mechanics

[sweet summit]

it yells at you if youre not using SB and/or cooldowns 😄

[uneven mason]

yeah like "You had shield wall off CD for 70% of the fight, get out of here you damn brewmaster, L2BUTTON!"

[sweet summit]

i personally havent used it, like ever. since it wasnt supported for warrior when i started playing

[sick sentinel]

Hey folks -- I was buying gear for my alt prot warrior & accidentally nabbed a dagger and equipped it without realizing. Do i need to replace this or is it okay for 180ish?

[uneven mason]

When you die as prot, after a bit, you can almost always identify without really looking at logs why you died

[steel mist]

how often do i need to shieldwall like i hold it on when shits hit the fan

[uneven mason]

"Oops turned my back to Sire Dentapdancerinmyasss"

[sweet summit]

you cant use revenge with a dagger, so replace it asap!

[undone lagoon]

@sweet summit @chilly brook I am familiar with reading my DPS logs and how to compare them against higher posts to find ways to improve. How do you, or is it similar for tank to compare.

[sick sentinel]

thanks erga

[uneven mason]

So instead of looking at rotation, look at the "Damage Taken" section and identify spikes

and then check what CDs/abilities you could have used to smooth that out.

[sweet summit]

looking at rage (overcapping or not) casts of rotational abilities, blocked hits, cooldown usage etc

[uneven mason]

yeah rage budgeting is a skill.

Prot is very good at smoothing damage in general, and occasionally just reducing it to nearly zero

[limpid river]

I was talking with another tank (who raids Mythic CN) and he was telling me that Punish is something to use as a talent during raids, especially during Heroic Sire (which I’m currently stuck on with around 205 pulls). Is Punish a good talent to use? I can see it being viable due to some damage reduction.

[sweet summit]

i firmly believe devastator is better on every raid boss this tier

[chilly brook]

Checking blocked hits is a great way to start

Like so

[uneven mason]

You're really sacrificing a lot of RPS I think with not having devastator

[chilly brook]

Checking whether you mitigated or had a CD per each major boss hit is also a good place to start

[jagged pier]

Erga helping

[sweet summit]

???

i am very helpful

[chilly brook]

Other than that its honestly just like being a dps

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

[uneven mason]

Don't listen to Jakey, he only believes in pumping

[jagged pier]

TRU

[chilly brook]

You're either a pumper or you're a dumper

[paper orbit]

can't hurt you if it's dead

[uneven mason]

My line bro

[chilly brook]

Always pump

[sweet summit]

youre sighted

[chilly brook]

Always

[uneven mason]

Woo, what they're trying to say, is keeping you alive is the healers job, just keep SB up (because its a DPS gain)
and press revenge a lot

[chilly brook]

Do what you need to stay alive

[uneven mason]

also, The Wall is a DPS gain, and SW costs nothing

[chilly brook]

But most importantly

PUMP

[uneven mason]

[undone lagoon]

OOOOH, good question I am using the Anger Management talent w/Stalwart Guardian Conduit and the wall lego

[uneven mason]

yes

[chilly brook]

Execute big dam

[uneven mason]

slap SW as often as you can as long as you don't need it for a mechanic

[undone lagoon]

my goal is to reduce the CD

[uneven mason]

and

save SW for 20% if you're close

[undone lagoon]

is that worse than the bolster

[uneven mason]

so you can hammer on

[sweet summit]

its fine, but bolster is still better in m+

[chilly brook]

I use AM on all raid fights

[sweet summit]

anger management is good in raids

[chilly brook]

Cuz it pumps

[sweet summit]

yeah ^

[chilly brook]

📈

[uneven mason]

moar avatar

moar damage

[chilly brook]

And wall is really valuable in raid so more walls is good

[flint wraith]

If making a warr now, would it then make sense to go necro or safebet on kyrian / or nF?

[undone lagoon]

yeah, i JUST GOT thunderlord and was planning on starting that lego once i finished my wall

[sweet summit]

id hold your necro horse for now

its still on ptr

[flint wraith]

true

[sick sentinel]

does anyone else get wrist problems playing warr but not other classes?

[jagged pier]

i would go which ever u like the look of most

[sick sentinel]

like they really hurt

[jagged pier]

then change necro if its better

[high folio]

play what you want, im venthy and doing just fine in 14-15 keys

[strong forum]

Erga is helping by looking cute

🥺

[chilly brook]

I did in Legion but not now

If you think its spammy now t21 in Legion was wooolad

[sick sentinel]

I have more experience on other tanks which probably contributes

but still its really noticeable

[undone lagoon]

I see on logs its almost a 50/50 between into the fray v unstoppable force, i am assuming that since i want my WALL lego, maybe go w/fray for more haste to lower the CD inherrently and more SS to lower CD?

[strong forum]

what

[chilly brook]

You want itf

[strong forum]

on logs its legit 100% ITF

[chilly brook]

UF is garbage

Like dogshit

[strong forum]

okay 1% play UF

1%

the 3% that are ravager just forgot to respec out of it

the 1% UF is just braindamage

[chilly brook]

ITF is how you PUMMMMPPPP

[sweet summit]

UwU

[chilly brook]

oWo

[jagged pier]

PUMP PUMP PUMP

[strong forum]

😦

[jagged pier]

yer dont ask me about the inerva log

i have zero idea how i got 3rd tbh

[chilly brook]

I'm just a fury boi now

[strong forum]

you got mega value out of spear

like insane value

thats how

[high folio]

itf ftw (i dont get to tank for my guild v often so this should be better tbh)

[jagged pier]

i presumed but still i am arse at the game

[strong forum]

boss dmg we were equal on inerva

for example

but you got so much more dmg on adds than me

[haughty sleet]

What conduits are people running as Prot venth

For potency

[strong forum]

ashen jugg

thats it

[high folio]

TC damage for me, but i mostly do m+

[chilly brook]

Someone say heroic logs?

[strong forum]

my heroic logs are trash

[jagged pier]

ill link mine in a sec

[strong forum]

havent done this year

[chilly brook]

Ashen is big

[high folio]

we are just now getting to mythic in my guild and im not a main tank so i dont have any mythic logs 😦

[chilly brook]

I'm just busting your balls

[undone lagoon]

@chilly brook Ashen>Piercing Verdict?

[high folio]

i know hahaha

[chilly brook]

For Venthyr yes for you no

[strong forum]

getting good dmg out this reclear was impossible cuz entire raid instance was laggy, we didnt have monk and our hpal had to sit out so healing was OMEGA scuffed on inerva and hungering

but somehow still got #5 shriek without monk buff

[misty compass]

Would nf be a good choice for prot warr? I'm Romanian, my English is horrible

[strong forum]

yes

[haughty sleet]

Going to be such a parse monkey now that I switched to venthyr

[strong forum]

always parse

[high folio]

literally what it did for me lmao

[chilly brook]

NF is big dam

[candid tide]

Did the big brain move and paid our priest 1k per boss to PI me kekw

[chilly brook]

Huge dam

[high folio]

i think NF is really strong personally, i loved running it over kyrian

[chilly brook]

You're literally getting a free 200dps from burrs on top of AA being really strong damage

[haughty sleet]

Spear travel time really started to annoy me

I was gonna go nf but I feel like burrs is gonna get nerfed

[chilly brook]

Also dps could be higher on burrs

[high folio]

and ontop of that the ticking CC does wonders for smoothing damage in keys

[chilly brook]

Because that's hungering

And a 7m fight

[chilly brook]

I have a shitty parse on council for some reason

[limpid river]

Anybody provide individual support?

[blazing condor]

damn here i was happy with my 3 orange parses i got

[jagged pier]

BIG PUMP

[high folio]

i hate the council fight so much. DPS always nuke me w the damn dance

[strong forum]

imagine doing HC 10 times

[jagged pier]

every friday

got to help the plebs

doing it right now

[high folio]

dats not an orc

[ripe seal]

Just practice and you’ll get better logs mate, so dw

[strong forum]

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

Pandas represent

[blazing condor]

hell yeah brother

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-gif-5303855

[jagged pier]

yah big panda

[cinder fern]

Here I thought I was decent; y'all are pretty good at this :o

[chilly brook]

Panda panda panda

[high folio]

lmao theres some mad chadds in this discord i wouldnt worry ab it too much

[jagged pier]

tbf let me say most of my logs are from when our main raid still cleared hc

not pleb fridays

need the team to do the log

[chilly brook]

I haven't done heroic in a while

As prot

[jagged pier]

im just pray u erga and nome dont so my logs still look good

[chilly brook]

Lol

[sterile moss]

you gotta fix huntsman though

[strong forum]

[chilly brook]

Dont have to worry about it anymore

[jagged pier]

cant we do pleb runs only now so have to do mechanics

[chilly brook]

Ya boi is a dps main in raids now

[sterile moss]

😦

[chilly brook]

What happened to karton?

[strong forum]

got bonked out of his guild cuz he was gonna play prot war

quit the game

[jagged pier]

i remeber that guy who said tanks couldnt be good dps 🤔

[jagged pier]

F

[strong forum]

i recently heard somebody say that ranged dps players make the best tank players

and im like

im not getting into this argument

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

You mean a certain water based mammal?

[jagged pier]

yes

[chilly brook]

Idk what happened to him either

[jagged pier]

nither been nice tho

[strong forum]

got prolly banned

[chilly brook]

Kekw

[strong forum]

he pissed off me, late and mwahi a couple times 🙂

[jagged pier]

KEKW

knew that was coming at somepoint

[ocean bloom]

@chilly brook i might be following in your footsteps soon lol

[strong forum]

not a good thing to do

[chilly brook]

Going dps?

[ocean bloom]

Ye

[chilly brook]

Just a lot easier to find a spot

[jagged pier]

^^

[ocean bloom]

My raids issue atm is dps and atm I think if we find a decent enough tank then we would be better off with me on dps

[wild chasm]

Just gotta say Prot Warrior till the day I die. My thumb might need replaced (14 button mouse) using all these dang abilities this xpac, but by god I aint quittin!

[chilly brook]

So like honestly on most fights the actual performance doesn't matter what does matter is the mechanics

[outer solstice]

but numbers are fun!

[wild chasm]

I agree, my guild is stuck on heroic sludge because the DPS can't stay alive.

[strong forum]

oof

[outer solstice]

they blow their chains off or do weird stuff?

[wild chasm]

All of the above. We've got some "control freak" officers and they're trying to have the melee and ranged all stack on one officer respectively to follow around, but yeah... just not working. That and sometimes the RNG of those falling rock floor AOEs are just killer

[outer solstice]

we actually do that in range

but our officer calls where tthey move in advance

so everyone can mentally prepare

and doesn't ahve to wait

[wild chasm]

I don't think stacking is inherently bad, it's when the FORCE it or yell at people

[outer solstice]

but for melee,... it doesn't work

[mossy peak]

totally works even for melee

[outer solstice]

the problem happens when calls are done too late

[mossy peak]

you just dont really need the calls as often

[chilly brook]

It works for melee

But you dont need it

[outer solstice]

yeah but the 2 melee pairs,... they can just arrange themselves

[wild chasm]

After pillar 2 it's like my raid turns into headless chickens...

[mossy peak]

it sounds like they need it, and can't just arrange themselves

everyone should be stacked on one marked melee, and one marked range

and just move with them

easiest, brain-off

[chilly brook]

I mean

Its brain off for melee period

It's not necessary for melee

[outer solstice]

yeah and if you then tell them where to move next it get's a lot easier

[mossy peak]

it sounds like it is necessary here

two marked stack players is the safest securest way to do it

[wild chasm]

I agree, but the marked players can't run crazy zig-zags...

[mossy peak]

mark better players

[outer solstice]

or move late

[chilly brook]

Eh I've felt safer when me and my partner just go where we want as melee lmao

[wild chasm]

hahahahahaha. I'll let you suggest that! 🤣

[mossy peak]

i just did

[chilly brook]

Its like mythic shriekwing

Just open your eyes

And turn on your monitor

[outer solstice]

yeah mythic shriek it's nice to be somewhere around the mark but not strictly neccesary

if you can move and ahve eyes

[mossy peak]

m shriekwing another that benefits from strict brain off markers for the blind

[wet compass]

Man I need to bribe healers to save their externals for 20% so I can pure execute greed :(

[wild chasm]

It kills me watching a DPS just stand there as an echo works its way towards em and you can tell they're not looking from top down and see nothing behind them

[jagged pier]

i mean exeternals are under used tool most tanks dont us

use*

[outer solstice]

@wild chasm yeah that's pretty nasty

[jagged pier]

should get your healers used to give them to u

[outer solstice]

@jagged pier externals are amazing ! whenever we have a trial heal I'll jsut call his external early in the fight to see if he has it keybound xD

[wet compass]

Yeah but we have dps that get saved by them and can't really just replace them cause morning guild

[chilly brook]

OmniCD/ERT are your friend

[jagged pier]

my healers complain i dont call for them and im like i cant call for them as u pop them randomly and dont have them when i need them

[wet compass]

Oh I know when they are up they just usually get blown on non tanks

[outer solstice]

big brain solution: call them early so they are just about ready when you need em

[jagged pier]

hjad that convo on sludge progression (hc)

when we got to enrage i was like i need them for then

but u dont ask

[chilly brook]

I've had healer just pop them on me because I wasn't asking for them and I'm like

I'll ask for it when I need it

[jagged pier]

^^

this

[outer solstice]

well, many tanks call for them 10 seconds after they need them

and not 5 seconds before

[chilly brook]

Also HATE when they pop it as I'm going to pop my wall or something

[wet compass]

I mean bigger brain solution is probably going to be have dh solo tank as much as possible at 20% since I trust him to call when he needs a taunt if his cheat death somehow procs

[outer solstice]

I played heal for a logn time in myhtic raids...

[chilly brook]

It's like I will communicate when I need it

[outer solstice]

often I just use it to not worry

[chilly brook]

But I'm gonna use my tools before yours

[wet compass]

I can probably beat half our dps during execute burn sadly so it's definitely worth if we can get away with it

[ocean bloom]

Thats the issue lol mechanics are getting failed by the dps players that I can't do as tank on a consistent basis atleast

[outer solstice]

oh well, I just use em, as if they were my tools @chilly brook so they can't blow em

[chilly brook]

Well like for example, I'm doing a big pull

I use wall

[outer solstice]

yeah but performance actually matters a lot this raid,... along mechanics

[chilly brook]

Then I last stand

Have like 30 seconds of block

And then dont even need anything

[outer solstice]

oh M+ ...

[chilly brook]

In raids it's the same deal

[jagged pier]

on progression always bolster tbh

[chilly brook]

I'll wall usually and then if I need I'll call for bark or something

[chilly brook]

Nah

[wet compass]

Tbh I hate M+ this season just not fun only reason I'm still doing stuff is raids

[outer solstice]

I usually open with wall and then pop all DPS CDs with pot and everything and ask for a bark

[jagged pier]

on M council yes

[outer solstice]

so I can style revenge with no problems

[wild chasm]

Bolster I'm assuming?

[outer solstice]

and last stand afterwards

[wet compass]

Missing td go brr and making dps cry way too much

[nimble drift]

i ran AM for M inerva and i felt that cdr on avatar a lot lol

[outer solstice]

when I'm out of SB charges

[chilly brook]

AM on sludge, bolster maybe on Hunts depends, everything else pretty much AM

[nimble drift]

felt like i was using it every 30s

[ocean bloom]

Council and early huntsman i needed bolster cuz I was squishy as fuck with no gear

[outer solstice]

@chilly brook AM on hunts if you're on barghast

[chilly brook]

Haven't done that yet so can't talk to it

[chilly brook]

That's what I did yea

[outer solstice]

pop 1st wall on first bleed, then you have it for 1st and 4th rip soul

[chilly brook]

But AM for sure on hungering and Inerva and Xymox

And Sun King

[wet compass]

On sludge has anyone tried running heavy to just max shield block uptime seems like you could have crazy uptime with the pillar downtime to regen block

[outer solstice]

why AM for hungering?

[wild chasm]

What's your guys' average % damage mitigated in CN? I'm sitting right around 60%, don't know where that stacks up.

[chilly brook]

Because you dont need the extra block

You swap often enough

[wet compass]

Short tanking bursts plenty of time to regen

[outer solstice]

oh well yeah

[chilly brook]

And the extra CDR on Wall is goat for expunge

[strong forum]

70-80% i think

[outer solstice]

@wild chasm pick a fight and I can check, I play very offensively and still get > 70%

[strong forum]

on blockable stuff atleast

[chilly brook]

Probably coulda been higher

@wild chasm

[wet compass]

Having to save wall for every expunge because dps hates running out is annoying though :P

[wild chasm]

Yeah, I'm getting the feeling my rotation is a bit off.

[strong forum]

but thats shriek

[chilly brook]

Reflect is your friend

[strong forum]

:^))

[wet compass]

I use that to eat the orb after

[chilly brook]

If you got overlapping circles you pop it for that

Orb isn't as bad

[wild chasm]

Reflect on CD basically? I've been working on getting better at it. So many things to rotate in...

[chilly brook]

If its magic damage ye

[wet compass]

I have wall for everytime I'm actively tanking so it's not deadly just annoying

[chilly brook]

It's more nuanced though too

Because reflect has some interesting interactions with some bosses

[wild chasm]

Right, I know my statement was broad brushing it

[chilly brook]

But yes if you're taking magic damage no reason to not hit it

[wild chasm]

Just figured out it eats that frost wolf in mythic Mists....

[outer solstice]

if you're at 60% it might have a few different reasons, either you're greedy like me and use no IP to spam more revenge, or you don't use your CDs or use shield block when bosses are not attacking you

[wet compass]

Part of the reason we have issues is lack of personal responsibility which means when we hit a fight that requires it and tanks can't carry it's a probelm so a massive chunk of this tier :(

[chilly brook]

You can ignore having to jump up on dealer in DoS

[chilly brook]

It's one of the reasons I left my last guild, that and feeling like my time just was being wasted

[wet compass]

Oh I super fucking greed revs only up when actively tanking

[wild chasm]

I think you're right there about SB, I've been trying to be more intentional with it while not leaving it on CD too much.

[outer solstice]

yeah timers and knowledge of the fight + training are the best friends there

btw they fixed shriek finally

[wet compass]

Not really many options work shift sucks and co tank is a bro who I've played with for years if he gets a new shift though at some point who knows

[outer solstice]

he now bites the active tank and not the highest aggro tank

[wet compass]

Could maybe look at oceanic but ping is ughhh

[nimble drift]

So I saw the vid on tanks from the limit dude

and he said we goin necro

should we swap now or what

[wet compass]

Only world first

[outer solstice]

wait for potential changes

don't go now

and even then,... no need

[wet compass]

Unless you want to pump someone elses damage you should be fine to stay spear

[outer solstice]

it needs quite some coordination

[wild chasm]

I like my SOB too much to switch...

[wet compass]

Yup will require significant coordination to maximize

[outer solstice]

even if it's not optimized it's still solid, especially if the fleshcraft thing goes live as is on PTR

[wild chasm]

The phial is ok too I guess. 😉

[wet compass]

I'm tempted by venth because with the buffs to exploiter 2100 will be a walk in the park even early on level with convoke go brrd

[outer solstice]

spear > condemn in PVP

[chilly brook]

Exploiter gonna be nuts

[outer solstice]

spear + unhinged + bladestorm

BOOM BOOM BOOOM

[chilly brook]

Condemn>spear in 2s

[wet compass]

The exploiter buffs will make condemn absurd

[outer solstice]

yeah but unhinged...

[wet compass]

You will double condemn into sharpen ms of 180%

[strong forum]

yeah but exploiter...

[outer solstice]

I like unhinged 😦

[chilly brook]

Plus the overpower buff

[wet compass]

And then condemn again if they somehow aren't dead

[chilly brook]

[outer solstice]

or you just eat a disarm shrug

[wet compass]

Plus they will pop defensives when you early storm for rage

Like there is basically no setup needed if exploiter gets this buff just get rage and at any time you could randomly do a 100-0

Just wish prot had massacre or something similar then I could already justify going venth or if they buffed the defensive part of condemn

[jagged pier]

Sudden death

we need SD

[strong forum]

SD, massacre, 20-50% buff

spear uncapped again

revert the nerf

[wet compass]

As baseline though not a talent

[chilly brook]

For reference @outer solstice this is what my breakdown on the prog kill for Hungering looked like

[jagged pier]

give fury execute and WW

[wet compass]

Not enough execute greed there

[chilly brook]

Pretty low IP casts tbh

[jagged pier]

u dont really need IP on a lot of the bossses

[outer solstice]

yeah but my raidlead wants me too,...

[wet compass]

Yeah but healers get whiny if you have a grey parse even if your damage parse is pink :(

[chilly brook]

Wants you to what?

Play bolster?

[outer solstice]

use more IP

[chilly brook]

Lmao

[strong forum]

not rly

[outer solstice]

oh I play AM on hungering, I play AM on most bosses

[strong forum]

i grey parse every single boss on healing

[wet compass]

Your's don't mine do

[chilly brook]

But why

[outer solstice]

they do.... that's why I got called out

[strong forum]

dafuq

[outer solstice]

yeah

[strong forum]

thats some beta ass healers

[outer solstice]

well they are better than our DPS

that's why I tried to help out on DPS

[strong forum]

youre not dying are you

[outer solstice]

I am basically doing as much DPS as our low ends...

[wet compass]

That's called being in a late tier ce guild it's fun sometimes but other times it's...... great

[nimble drift]

on prog i purple/orange parse

when we ain't progging i grey parse heals lol

[outer solstice]

we 5 healin...

[chilly brook]

Why would they be mad about your healing parse?

[wet compass]

Both of our tanks tend to beat at least one dps per kill which given how bad warrior dps is ....

[outer solstice]

oh when I die it's with IP up...

[chilly brook]

You having a high healing parse means you're actually fucking up or getting fucked up

[outer solstice]

like when heals run to africa

oh well as IP is an absorb,... it doesn't work that way for us

[chilly brook]

Like I could just not block, spam all rage into IP and use last stand when I'm low on HP and have a huge healing parse

But I'm also inting and taking more damage

[outer solstice]

[jagged pier]

[outer solstice]

yeah SB is the base

but let's theorize on how to pink parse heal logs

[wet compass]

Yeah but see you have 60 revenge and that rage could have been spent on IP making the job of the resto shaman easier somehow

[outer solstice]

what trinkets? spike?

[chilly brook]

I just told you how lol

It's a useless metric for us

[wet compass]

I mean the way you parse heals Is really simple never block drop as much vers and mast as you can stack haste and use every drop of rage on ip

[outer solstice]

yeah but needs more omtimization...

[strong forum]

for example

watch this

[wet compass]

Also stand in shif

[strong forum]

1st kill

[outer solstice]

60% monkaS

[modern brook]

Healing parses arent even a real metric for healers

[strong forum]

most recent kill

on hungering

i took 1k less dtps but had less healing done

OMG

IMPOSSIBLE

[sweet surge]

Does Bron @ Mikanikos do actual deeps or just a meme?

[wet compass]

Did you do the other tank from 20% so I can execute thing :P

[wild chasm]

Xy-mox

[wet compass]

I'm 100% doing that this week

[strong forum]

what

[jagged pier]

the fuk is that trinket

[modern brook]

Bron is pretty unnoticble

[outer solstice]

ewwwww darkmoon trinkeeeeeeet

[modern brook]

He mostly shows up and fucks my restealths

[strong forum]

no you want to tank with execute

cuz you get more rage that way

[wild chasm]

use what ya got... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wet compass]

But then you have to spend execute rage on shield block

[outer solstice]

there are so many crazy trinkets from WQs @wild chasm

[wet compass]

Idk is that worth in terms of damage?

[strong forum]

this is my xymox

[outer solstice]

some of them even <200 beat out 213 trinkets

[wet compass]

Vulpera gasp

[chilly brook]

So most current kill of hungering for me @outer solstice all I did was focus on pumping but look at how much less damage I took and how easy I theoretically made it for my healers despite having a gray healing parse

[graceful cobalt]

hi guys i have Stalward Guardian on 213 Unnerving Focus on 184 Brutal Vitaly on 184 and Fueled by Violence on 200 so wich Conduits i should Take?

[strong forum]

how the fuck do you get 5x as much IP over indom

how

[outer solstice]

don't use revenge? *think

[strong forum]

[chilly brook]

Like healing parses are just absolutely idiotic for prot

[outer solstice]

but yeah his indom healing seems super low

[strong forum]

yea

[wet compass]

Bro I'm telling you, play with bad healers and you end up using a lot more ips because you start to feel like you are drowning otherwise :(

[chilly brook]

Sure

[wet compass]

But that many is yeah

[chilly brook]

I have many fights where I cast IP more

[strong forum]

youre not generating enough rage

if your indom is that low

[chilly brook]

But it depends on the fight and how swamped your healers are already

[strong forum]

my guy

[wild chasm]

And that's why I'm here to learn and get better.

[outer solstice]

we happy to halp ❤️

[wet compass]

Wait yeah wtf that's only 32 ip over what a six minute fight?

[outer solstice]

lul

don't look at nomes huntsman kill

[wet compass]

And that level of indom what are cast counts and rage usage?

[chilly brook]

I mean I got used 12 in a 7 minute hungering kill

[strong forum]

i did 17 casts of IP

on 5.5min kill

69 hits of indom

[wet compass]

I'm saying to have ip that far over indom with 32 casts

[graceful cobalt]

hi guys i have Stalward Guardian on 213 Unnerving Focus on 184 Brutal Vitaly on 184 and Fueled by Violence on 200 so wich Conduits i should Take?

[wet compass]

Means missing a lot of rage gen or sitting capped

[strong forum]

yup

pmuch

my indom is 400 hps

[outer solstice]

@graceful cobalt checked the guides yes? there is quite a lot of it on icyveins

[wild chasm]

I don't feel like I'm sitting capped so it's gotta be the former

[uneven mason]

UF and SG are basically your go to

[outer solstice]

are you runnign itf?

[chilly brook]

[outer solstice]

only 45 SS

[chilly brook]

Woah woah

Hokd up

Shield slam is big

[outer solstice]

SS is biggest ❤️

[chilly brook]

Always shield slam over anything else

[wild chasm]

I'm smashing it every time it's up I feel

[strong forum]

needs more shield slam casts

[chilly brook]

You're not

[strong forum]

alot more shield slam casts

[wild chasm]

lol, I believe you

[outer solstice]

whirlwind?

ewwww

get that off the bars

[strong forum]

lmao

[ocean bloom]

Wait we have access to WW

[chilly brook]

Trust me

[strong forum]

remove Whirlwind yea

[outer solstice]

unpruning

[wet compass]

Are you running devestator?

[wild chasm]

yes devastator

[wet compass]

Actually just link the log

[wild chasm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MzvrHP1VmcfYa6CW#fight=16&type=casts&source=14

[sweet summit]

nomeratur can u try signet bonegrinder whirlwind gaming for me

[outer solstice]

yeah link the log, we can look into it together

[strong forum]

no i dont have signet

[sweet summit]

hmm ok

[strong forum]

im saving ash for 9.0.5

now

[outer solstice]

same same

ah xymox hc

[chilly brook]

Very low revenge casts

[outer solstice]

so I am > 14 CPM for slam, you're below 10 you sitting on proccs?

only 1 spell reflect on xy'mox

[chilly brook]

This is a major problem

[wild chasm]

I (try to) hit every proc. Yeah, reflect has been a weak point I've noticed and I need to work on

[outer solstice]

also shockwave?

[chilly brook]

Like major problem

[uneven mason]

Found the brewmaster main

[livid granite]

anyone play prot warr now is wasting his time , we are incredibly trash right now

[wet compass]

You also used demo shout when near rage cal because I see 30 wasted rage from it

[outer solstice]

lul

[wet compass]

I play it because no dps warrior

[jagged pier]

eh?

[wild chasm]

"That's just like, your opinion man" -The Dude

[livid granite]

@chilly brook you talk alot of nonsence , just confess you are trash

[wet compass]

Tank = utility bitch for raid but I ain't going necro

[chilly brook]

Got reference this is what my 4:30 kill of xymox looks like @wild chasm

[uneven mason]

Where is my Oscar the Grouch Xmog with trash can helm

[chilly brook]

Ok guy?

[mellow patio]

Anyone who comes to a class discord just to say a class is trash is a big old nerd don’t @ me

[outer solstice]

❤️

[wild chasm]

fudge, I've had the wrong mindset towards revenge....

[uneven mason]

I mean

pump

but don't pump to death

[outer solstice]

revenge is an offensive rage dump

if you need IP

you need IP

[mellow patio]

Revenj

[wet compass]

Just the wrong mindset towards tanking. Tanks are dps with extra jobs

But we are still dps all dps matters

[outer solstice]

do you have the weakaura for the IP amount and cap and such?

[sweet summit]

@mellow patio

[wet compass]

Same with healers when you can you gotta pump

[chilly brook]

Revenge is a major portion of our damage toolkit even in single target, doesn't really require much thinking press it if you feel safe and have rage to burn IP otherwise

[mellow patio]

Come on bro I said DONT @ me

[wild chasm]

Yes, I try not to overcap IP, I've got a weakaura that track it and SB counting down

[jagged pier]

thing is u cast WW

[sweet summit]

sorry but you just looked so cute 😳

[uneven mason]

Nothing sets me off more seeing me at full HP and a healer with full mana not on the DPS Meter!

[jagged pier]

wehn revenge is just better in every way

[wet compass]

@mellow patio

[jagged pier]

and costs less rage

[mellow patio]

Now I’m being trolled

[outer solstice]

yeah but don#t use WW or shockwave on xy'mox ^^

[outer solstice]

trolls are tasty

[uneven mason]

Or

Like don't use WW ever

ever

[mellow patio]

This is not a game you folks will win I promise

[uneven mason]

E V E R

[chilly brook]

@mellow patio is cute

[outer solstice]

yeah never ever WW as prot

[mellow patio]

I am the most toxic person you have interacted with

[wet compass]

Whirlwind is a trap pretty much every ability not in the prot section is trap

[outer solstice]

hawgz is cute

[unique cloak]

Yo im kinda confused are you guys trying to help Brona do more damage or play prot more effectively?

[mellow patio]

Don’t make me break my chain

[wild chasm]

ww had to be a fat finger, I do have a habit of hitting SW when nothing else is up(or maybe I'm not seeing what I should be doing in that second)

[outer solstice]

both

[uneven mason]

?

[wet compass]

I've interacted with myself @mellow patio so I doubt it :)

[ocean bloom]

He might have Shockwaved a MCd person on xymox

[mellow patio]

Playing prot more effectively is maximizing damage while surviving

[chilly brook]

Both? It's not mutually exclusive

[outer solstice]

6 times?

[wet compass]

Is there a difference?

[ocean bloom]

Mayne not 6 times lol

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[mellow patio]

Bro he’s stunning the boss

[chilly brook]

A lot of people waste rage on IP when it's not needed

[ocean bloom]

But you never know lol

[proper pecan]

Anyone know if its possible to quickly get renown on ptr right now?

[uneven mason]

IP rage waste won't make or break you

not pressing shield block

is going to get you murdered

[outer solstice]

^

[chilly brook]

And a significant portion of being as tanky as you can be is actually tied to your damage

[uneven mason]

If its dead it can't hurt me.

[ocean bloom]

[high folio]

i had to break that habit too, it doesnt stack more then two times. i usually try just try to keep the buff up as much as i can

[chilly brook]

If you're purple parsing you could be only spending rage on IP but doing the basics of your rotation well and as a result have good damage

[outer solstice]

[wet compass]

I legitimately get angry at people who are like tank damage doesn't matter I'm a survival tank not a damage tank

[wild chasm]

I know I do hit SW, but it's 0 rage and not on GCD, if I'm good on IP and SB and TC are on CD what should I be doing there?

[uneven mason]

This is me

[outer solstice]

in my raid I do about the same damage as the bottom 3 DPS

[unique cloak]

Just seems like this conversation has gone around full circle like 10 times.. TLDR of warrior is if youre getting near rage cap and your IP is fine, then hit revenge. Unless youre way overgearing content and dont need to think about defense at all you should try and keep IP up as much as possible when tanking

[uneven mason]

I'll never be a big pumper like Nom

[ocean bloom]

Or you can be me and ignore ip and try for that sick prot warr parse :)

[uneven mason]

Its a by feel thing

[chilly brook]

Realistically IP isn't going to save you regardless of if you're geared or not

[uneven mason]

if your healers are not bitching, you're obviously doing ok

[unique cloak]

its not about saving you

it makes healing you easier

[wet compass]

Make the healers bitch and moan and earn their keep :P

[uneven mason]

yes I get it.

[wild chasm]

I prioritize SB of IP for sure, though I know I'm not perfect about it in the heat of the fight.

[uneven mason]

My healers have started to learn now that we're farming that when 20% rolls around

[mellow patio]

Oh god not the tanks make life easy for everyone else argument

[uneven mason]

They get to work for their meal

[chilly brook]

I'm well aware of what the function of IP is

[mellow patio]

Not my job to make life easy

[wet compass]

IP really doesn't do that much now if you aren't blocking on the other hand you bad

[outer solstice]

also don't use SB when the boss is not attacking you

[chilly brook]

But most of the time it doesnt even do that

[mellow patio]

My job is to tank and spank a fuckin boss

[chilly brook]

Unless things are actually bad

[mellow patio]

If a healer can’t heal a tank and the raid they are bad

[outer solstice]

and kill it!

[wet compass]

Also yeah at 20% I'm popping cds but trying to get every scrap of rage into execute when I can

[uneven mason]

I SB constantly to pump

[outer solstice]

why only at 20% ?

[wet compass]

I'm honestly so glad execute is back

[uneven mason]

He means he saves SW for execute phase

[chilly brook]

Cant execute before 20%

[outer solstice]

with AM you get soooo many burst windows before

[wild chasm]

? on SB. 2 charges, we all know that. But how are you spacing your casts of it?

[outer solstice]

when I tank I use em

when I don't tank I don't use em

when the boss is about to cast a long ass spell I don't use it

[wet compass]

I burst before then as well but I save major defensives where I can for 20% so I can spend rage on execute

[unique cloak]

@mellow patio I guess it depends what content youre doing. Tanking M denathrius and I dont hit revenge at allw ithout procs. because Id be fucking trolling to not make it easier for healers to heal me

[uneven mason]

Dear Blizzard, please replace Dragon Roar with Massacre and Punish with Sudden Death. Signed, Protection Pumpers

[unique cloak]

idc if i do 200 dps less than I could

[outer solstice]

200?

[wet compass]

Well sure but double dick Denny is one of the only bosses that actually hits hard

[chilly brook]

I mean if you're not hitting any spenders unless they're free it's a lot more than 200

[ocean bloom]

You want as much sb uptime during the period that you are taking blockable dmg @wild chasm

[chilly brook]

Especially on donny where part of it is killing adds

[high folio]

omfg i wish

[wild chasm]

Right, is there any problem with casting both charges back to back, or very close to rage depending, after taunt swapping?

[uneven mason]

My new method of Tormenting my raiders will involve using Reprisal

[wet compass]

Also don't use sb when not tanking unless you will fully regen both charges before tanking again

[uneven mason]

if you'll have the boss for a full 12 seconds

and he'lkl be meleeing the entire time

[wet compass]

I like reprisal but the wall with am is way too fucking good

[outer solstice]

not on most bosses, but some bosses liek shriekwing do very long casts

[unique cloak]

Go check out Darkees vods and watch his IP disappear everytime he gets melee'd unless youre about to cap rage you dont spend it on revenge

[uneven mason]

Also, Sludgefist you'd think would be a constant melee attack boss

[chilly brook]

Theres obviously a balance to be struck

[ocean bloom]

It depends id rather take an auto without sb rather than a blockable tank buster

[uneven mason]

but he has a lot of casts

[wild chasm]

Also, don't we want to use it on sludgefist since damage is split with offtank?

[wet compass]

Yes Donny hits hard as fuck most of the raid doesn't

[chilly brook]

My IP disappears in basically one swing on hungering what's new?

[dusky mica]

sudden death replacing best served cold makes more sense

[uneven mason]

its not split, he literally attacks twice

[chilly brook]

And it's gone in an instant on Inerva

This is nothing new

[uneven mason]

No, BSC has a use (kinda)

[wild chasm]

Right, sorry, next closest to active tank.

[outer solstice]

both tanks get the same punch, your mitigation does not cover the other tank

[uneven mason]

Dragon Roar is literally garbage

[sweet summit]

its good on st

[uneven mason]

You always want to block on Sludge

[uneven mason]

isn't it like a 2% gain (within margin of error)

over BV

[wet compass]

Sudden death baseline and massacre baseline we are by far the lowest single target damage tank throw us a few bones

[sweet summit]

thats good

[dusky mica]

roar got nerfed by an idiot doing balance fixes

[outer solstice]

yeah but on sludge don#t waste a charge just before he does a slam and such

[wild chasm]

Ok ty, just making sure I'm understanding the "when to use SB" correctly.

[uneven mason]

with less RPS?

[sweet summit]

i dont know exactly how much better it is

but it has its use

[uneven mason]

yes, it fills a talent slot

[wet compass]

Booming voice equals more execute though....

[uneven mason]

when something is punching you

[dusky mica]

they need to hire some designers to work on classes, obviously the current lot are useless

[chilly brook]

But also using arguably the hardest hitting fight of the instance on the highest difficulty isn't a good thing to compare to a fairly trivial heroic boss and tell him to play uber defensive of said boss because Donny hits hard @unique cloak

[uneven mason]

they literally saw every warrior grab DR in prepatch and went "Oh thats WAY too popular"

[ocean bloom]

Take your time and just try to not cast it when you arnt taking blockable dmg unless the charge will be back before you take the boss back again

[uneven mason]

"Uncapped DPS is not allowed to be held by any but VDH!"

[wet compass]

I've seen so many good ideas to fix classes but keep seeing fucking aura buffs

[outer solstice]

and survival hunter

[uneven mason]

That class doesn't exist

[ocean bloom]

[uneven mason]

Hunters and Demon Hunters have 2 specs

[wet compass]

Like Havoc is about to be giga busted because they keep aura buffing it

[outer solstice]

you mean,... hunters have 4 speccs like droods

[chilly brook]

Donny is like the one exception where I've actually had to play defensive in the raid

[uneven mason]

Yeah

I'm progressing on Sire atm

and Phase 1 is "meh"

[ocean bloom]

Kinda wish there were more

[wet compass]

Donny hits like a mack truck

[uneven mason]

Phase 2 is ouch because sword

[ocean bloom]

Just dwarf the dot off :)

[uneven mason]

Phase 3 I'm screaming IRL because he punches me through the internet

[chilly brook]

It gets better when people stop being dumb

[mellow patio]

Sword bad

[wet compass]

Donny is Truck Kun he's just trying to send you to your isekai harem world

[chilly brook]

I wonder how defensive Sense actually has to go in mythic Donny

The man just doesn't give a fuck normally

[outer solstice]

defensive sense?

[jagged pier]

might see soon tbh

[outer solstice]

shocked

[chilly brook]

Honestly p3 isn't that bad until you hit like 7ish stacks and theres an overlap

[uneven mason]

You mean literally right away?

[chilly brook]

Imo

Eh

[uneven mason]

it opens with an overlap

[chilly brook]

8 stacks is fine when theres not a hand and the soaks

[uneven mason]

P3 is Orb, Slap Hand Orb Orb SLap

we got him to 20%~ some of my DPS make me wanna flip my desk over though

[dusky mica]

P3 is just the scorn stacks because it ticks every second.

[mellow patio]

Welcome to world of Warcraft

[uneven mason]

"take impales clockwise

[wet compass]

Takes impale through center of raid ftfy

[uneven mason]

IT MEANS RIGHT

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

I even gave em a marker

alawys 1 dude out of position

[proper pecan]

I thought that second tank hit is calculated after main tank mitigation

[uneven mason]

puts sword through literally every person

[mellow patio]

A dps out of position? Unheard of

[uneven mason]

OH go no

if that was the case you'd see double prot

[mellow patio]

Just no damage

[outer solstice]

you would see a lot of tankswap for big CDs and such

[mellow patio]

Nah the off tank is really just a target dummy who takes the same damage but does actually nothing

[outer solstice]

well the off tank is really important

[wet compass]

Will see that next tier for world first guilds lol double prot necro intervening out to drop banner for boomkins then back in

[outer solstice]

to stand properly

so you don't get like 15k or 20k raw DTPS in the face

@wet compass they don't intervene out, the DPS that get it will already stand there

[mellow patio]

I would not constitute standing in a range an important job but I suppose if you’re just shit MT dies

[outer solstice]

the warrior self is doign a lot of his damage in that window too

[wet compass]

Mm depending on encounter requirements

[outer solstice]

yeah but only having 2/3 affected ppl hit the boss is stoooopid

[wet compass]

It's the two closest so we will see it's not worth it for anyone outside top 10

[outer solstice]

also still haven't tested on PTR, does the banner buff persist on the first ppl that get it?

[proper pecan]

#protection message

[wet compass]

Isn't a buff that you get on drop or does it dynamically update?

[outer solstice]

yeah tanknotes is 100% wrong there

[outer solstice]

I haven't tested it on PTR

I caught the norona and lied flat in my bed for about 2 weeks

@proper pecan it's pretty easy to see if you look at raw damage taken, both tanks are pretty much taking the same raw damage

[chilly brook]

Damn dude must be nice going from 3/10m to just being picked up for Sire

However you swung that you lucked out @unique cloak

[unique cloak]

lmfao

yeah man

luck

[proper pecan]

@outer solstice seem to be so, thanks

[chilly brook]

I mean most guilds don't grab people with that big of a difference in prog just sayin

Regardless of role

[unique cloak]

Im not even 3/10

lmfao

my warrior is 3/10

[outer solstice]

❤️

[unique cloak]

Big flex tho looking me up to prove a point

[outer solstice]

good luck on the kill, you got him down soon!

[wild chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-did-i-walk-into-confused-wth-gif-18479461

[outer solstice]

welcome to warrioooor discord

[chilly brook]

I think you're assigning malice where there isn't

[outer solstice]

we 0 intelligence, we smaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssh

[chilly brook]

[mellow patio]

I think you’re all giant nerds

[outer solstice]

I am small nerd

I am gnome

[chilly brook]

Truuueee

[outer solstice]

I have superior intelligence! oh wait when did they take that away?

[wild chasm]

Oh yeah, I own it. Better to be a nerd than a dork...

[outer solstice]

anyway, good night lads (and maybe ladies)

[wild chasm]

Later

[astral crystal]

bruh...

|| muh archon ||

[ocean yoke]

fuck the spear, i go kyrian because i love thicc blue ladies carrying me around by my neck

[tired hawk]

Guys in Mists I am getting destroyed by firsts packs

how do you manage to tank it

even with full cds I'm getting rekt after my shield wall

[ocean yoke]

if you mean the soulsplitters you can reflect the cast they do

[strong forum]

get dispelled

[sweet summit]

reflect the uhhh thing

[strong forum]

:^)

reflect soulsplit

purge the smallies

[sweet summit]

yeah that

[strong forum]

they have a buff

that needs to be purged

[tired hawk]

which classes can purge this ?

shammy?

[strong forum]

shaman, priests and bloodelves

[sweet summit]

belf

[sick sentinel]

Are you talking about this ? https://www.wowhead.com/spell=322557/soul-split

[strong forum]

si

this you reflect

[dark lark]

If you Shockwave, and then cast Spell Reflect after the stun is over you'll double reflect. Just make sure to get the Harvester kicked consistently or else he'll munch the reflect

That pack with the Villager is probably the hardest in the whole dungeon, esp if you do it with the five Spiteclaws; But DPS will have CDs, so kill that and it's smooth sailing

[tired hawk]

That's exactly what we tried !

We tried to BL and take both packs

Everything was fine until drudi decided to use trees in sanguine

[dark lark]

That's a different problem then

[tired hawk]

Then we got em out, and I just got destroyed

But thanks for the tips I'll train these packs in lower keys

[dark lark]

I would tell the druid to wait until the Spiteclaws are dead, then reposition the mobs a few feet and then trees

[tired hawk]

Well drudi was pug and only told me I can't even tank an easy pack 🤡

[dark lark]

Nah, I legit think that's the hardest pack in Mists.

The rest of the trash is pretty easy

[tired hawk]

But thank you for answering guys, I guess it's still mb. I should've know I had to spell reflect this

[sweet summit]

first/second pack is 100% the hardest pack(s) in mists

[lavish oracle]

Double/triple pulling the last 3 packs can be kinda spooky too

[dark lark]

Spooky for the dps maybe 😉

[modern brook]

They look spooky but liken80% of those packs are nothing mobs

[dark lark]

@tired hawk it's worth reviewing before every dungeon/boss what you can and can't reflect https://tinyurl.com/ReflectGuide

[lavish oracle]

Reflecting Soul split makes those packs much nicer

[dark lark]

Reflecting Soul Split x2 and Corroded Claws x3 pre-nerf put me at half mast

[lavish oracle]

5x Aether Wing dot

[dark lark]

Yeah the Insidious Venom

Shockwave to get the spell queues to line up

Mmmmm

[lavish oracle]

Always top DPS on those packs, it's 👌

[chilly brook]

F

But at least this all has been hype af

TBC boutta be liiiiitt

[astral crystal]

im not gonna play it because im not brain damaged

but it brought back good feels

[chilly brook]

Asking people to pay for character copy though is kinda a yikers if they want to play both

[tardy sequoia]

Guys I’m a bit late sorry

What does this mean?

[amber herald]

legendary changes makes one of them give 2 charges of shield wall

so it's for a legendary

[heavy sail]

Take a shot every time this dude says dastardly

[rain lava]

what secondary split do you aim for in M+? haste > vers > ... ? or are they rather equal. Or do you even change gear depending on dungeon?

[blazing condor]

its pretty equal tbh

[dawn imp]

so is it viable to go back to venthyr yet (mythics)? I want that venthyr mount QQ

[wanton condor]

thinking about making seismic reverb for funs, and hopes we get the buff. Head or Shoulders?

[nova vector]

Anyone planning a swap to Necrolord?

Or I was even thinking NF since I’m about 50/50 prot and fury in M+

Currently Kyrian

[coarse kestrel]

venthyr is viable