Fun yes
#protection
ancient plaza
Yeah i know its subjective...heard the class was kind of gutted after BFA
I never played in BFA so obviously I wont miss that
heavy pendant
Id say try it out and see if u like it. I enjoy it atleast.
If its fun it doesnt matter if its meta or not until u reach a certain point which most of us dont do I suppose
jolly thistle
The spec is fun and way better than the community perception of it
strange lintel
so can someone explain
( Shield Wall Reduces all damage you take by 40% for 8 sec.
Cooldown changed from 4 min cooldown to 4 min recharge
Charges changed from None to 1 Charges )
why do we get the 0 to 1 charges now
does that mean that i can use a shield wall before it recharges and have another ready?
sick sentinel
Because 1 of the legendaires gives 1 extra charge now
strange lintel
ah
signal plover
And it's a big trap ;)
strange lintel
Unbreakable Will Shield Wall alsogains 1 additional charge, and grants 50% of its effect to all party members.
Inventory Type: Chest, Finger does this only affect your 5 man party in a raid i guess?
solemn magnet
Correct
strange lintel
feels like i should get this for raid tanking
sounds amazing to pile up tanks and healers on my group for the extra damage reduction for stuff like sludgefist
sick sentinel
if we get 2 leggo slots sure, In my opinion i don't think dropping The Wall is worth it
strange lintel
doubt well get 2 legies till like third content drop
when did we get the ability to use 2 legendaries on legion again..
strange lintel
not sure if it was nighthold or with broken shore opening
ancient plaza
Is reprisal going to be the best m+ leggo?
thorn kayak
I would expect it as a last patch of expansion when they let the fun flow to us
some of the leggo combos can be pretty crazy
strong forum
Best m+ combo will be probably reprisal + wall for us and playing AM
1min CD on SW + 100% block uptime
strange lintel
have they even said that they will allow us to use 2 legos eventually
median tulip
No, it's pure speculation
strong forum
Speculation based off of the rune carver
Cuz he has 3 chains
1 is broken so we can wear 1
amber herald
ToP is a terrible dungeon for seismic 
smoky wave
Seismic and tl for slapping stuff harder matching other tank dps?
median tulip
I think that's pretty fucking speculative TBH
amber herald
seismic and signet for the memes
signal plover
Right
amber herald
the ||primus ||you mean? 
signal plover
I gotchu
strange lintel
Speculation based off of the rune carver
not gona lie but that sounds pretty farfetched
thats like saying that we gona get a second shield cuz we got 2 hands
amber herald
They did it last expac, the whole expansion is themed about everything getting juiced up with anima
it's pretty likely
median tulip
If you have Legion Legendaries you can go find out how they'd behave together; just go do Pandaria time walking with both Legion and SL legendaries equipped
strange lintel
oh us getting a second lego sure
strong forum
How is that far fetched
It makes perfect sense
Wherether it applies is a different story
pallid cradle
strong forum
Not good
median tulip
UW on the PTR? It's an ok group Cooldown
strong forum
2 charges of 4min CD
π€·ββοΈ
So it's slightly worse than the wall
But with less rage gain
sweet surge
amber herald
terrible in top tho
jolly thistle
You donβt enjoy 1-2 mob pulls?
uneven mason
But with less rage gain
The true function of the wall
strong forum
Pmuch
uneven mason
its all about the R P S
jolly thistle
Go HR for even more R P S 
uneven mason
If you have Legion Legendaries you can go find out how they'd behave together; j...
Legion legos deactivated forever, even TWing
wooden radish
@ionic fern hello.
median tulip
Legion legos deactivated forever, even TWing
When did they do that? They used to work
wooden radish
they were disabled in 9.0
ionic fern
@wooden radish hi.
median tulip
Really? Bugger
outer solstice
So it's slightly worse than the wall
yeah but party share π
wooden radish
@ionic fern 2x SW lego + the wall bis
ionic fern
I want Seismic. :(
jolly thistle
Reprisal + seismic + bsc 
median tulip
they were disabled in 9.0
You can still TW azerite pieces, right?
wooden radish
yes
median tulip
Good
jolly thistle
@ionic fern does seismic have 2x30% chance to proc SS reset?
snow harbor
What do we think about the new iteration of Reprisal leggo? Looks sweet for m+
deep steppe
potentially v-pog
prolly wont make it to live like that
but dont go spending all your soul ash till its actually live
uneven mason
giving us additional SB uptime
won't make it to live
they'll change it back to IP and haveour next thunderclap make a weeping sound
jolly thistle
Stop crushing my dreams
uneven mason
Best Lego would be "The amount and absorb of Ignore pain is increased by 80%"
call it "Memory of the Legion"
amber herald
@patent osprey for seismic build which potency are you using now that you're NF?
outer solstice
any of you tried the fire breathing food?
snow harbor
Fire breath food is horrible lol
patent osprey
@amber herald the COV ability one
amber herald
still running BSC? I was wondering if BV is better because of the AA dmg
lavish oracle
I think a much more balanced version of reprisal would reduce the CD on SB
amber herald
burst dmg*
patent osprey
still running BSC unless i feel like im dying then i run BV
lusty nebula
I have been trying to look back in the prot channel but it is a wall of text and i am new here. Anyone testing the new update to leggo for prot? or is the wall still best for raid?
uneven mason
situationally its going to be of use, IMO its more interesting
lavish oracle
The patch isn't live on PTR, afaik, but reprisal will almost certainly be our best for most situations
split wyvern
I personally have not tested the ptr. From the discussion the wall is still solid. Reprisal has M+ potential
lusty nebula
I thought the same thing but wanted to ask smarter folks than me :).
amber herald
reprisal might let us take AM in m+ which is yuge
but it'll all need testing and finding out
lavish oracle
Nah, Reprisal best in any raid fight where you're even remotely concerned about mitigation uptime
split wyvern
Correct but PO is asking about the raid Leggos
lusty nebula
Thanks folks and glad to be here. Enjoy your day/night
lavish oracle
Hell, tbh, it's probably flat out the best in it's current state, now that I'm thinking about it
strong forum
yes but in my most recent keys i didnt feel like i needed more block
but ill have to do more feely craft in my future keys
now that it will be possible to have more block
and then determine if it wouldve been useful or not
lavish oracle
It's more rag gen than the wall too, or at least comparable
It'd also let you swap to AM
uneven mason
ehhhhhh
strong forum
its equal rage gen
uneven mason
yeah
split wyvern
Yes
strong forum
if you charge / intervene 3x per minute
uneven mason
swapping to AM for more avatar pumpers tho
strong forum
yes thats the huge upside of it
you get to play AM
which balances out the loss of the wall
SW uptime
uneven mason
and rage
uneven mason
right
lusty nebula
Ya, I am going to make it on live. and pray it comes out good lel
lavish oracle
It's just such an absurd boost to mitigation uptime by comparison to either of out other playable legendaries
uneven mason
so sick of my co tank ripping aggro cause "Oops Paladin"
lusty nebula
^ facts tho
lavish oracle
I don't see how it's even close
strong forum
Ya, I am going to make it on live. and pray it comes out good lel
just wait until it actually happened on live
im banking my ash
have 3.6k rn
lusty nebula
Ya, that is a good callout lol
lavish oracle
I mean, yeah, I'm not crafting it now or anything
lusty nebula
Also, I am sadge we can't use emotes on text hahaha
strong forum
I don't see how it's even close
cuz with bolster + wall i often dont have mitigation gaps either
only when a pack lives quite long
thats where reprisal will come in
and doing bigpulls
after big pulls
thats where reprisal will shine
amber herald
reprisal + signet pls blizz
strong forum
if you do big - small - big, wall does the job just fine
but big- big - big reprisal wins 100% of the time
thats the important part
lavish oracle
I mean, you're also spending less rage on SB, in that case, you're spending less on revenge, you get to hold shield wall for big incoming damage spikes
You get to swap to AM
It's got a lot of upsides
strong forum
absolutely
might start playing BSC then aswell
cuz you get alot of +50% empowered revenges
lavish oracle
Yeah, I was thinking about that
strong forum
you get like 3-4 more 50% revenges out like this
lavish oracle
Would definitely have to test it at least
strong forum
ye needs play testing
but in theory is quite big
charge weaving on bosses will be weird though
well actually
you can intervene out for 1sb charge
lavish oracle
Should be fine on just about any dungeon fight
lavish oracle
Only gets weird on a couple raid fights
lavish oracle
I think you still take it
Even on fights where you're not tanking the boss 100% of the time
You can charge to the boss when you need to pick it up, intervene your co tank, and dump rage into revenge
uneven mason
you can intervene out for 1sb charge
Leap and intervene facilitate your 2 charges
chilly brook
im banking my ash
No banking for me
Have to finish upgrading signet and I crafted exploiter so I can have an easier time pushing rating
chilly brook
signet was the first lego I maxed
Speaking of what happened to Voldemort
wanton condor
the new reprisal is the most rage in m+ you can get if you use everything on CD
like, not even close
it's also so awkward to use I hope it doesn't make it live
lavish oracle
I mean, you still would, even if you didn't need to
chilly brook
Not saying it isn't good
lavish oracle
Maybe you get to save intervene for kiting stuff if you want
potent fable
i crafted 235 leaper lulz, must've been drunk, but i don't really care at this point, the ash cap is stupid tho
uneven mason
can save a ton of rage on that initial buffed rev
rage saving on SB
lots of saved rage
and a lot more generated
fierce juniper
i mean reprisal make sb actually 100% uptime
chilly brook
Yes
fierce juniper
2charge + 2SB+ intervene =30s SB
chilly brook
The only point I'm making is that 100% isn't needed necessarily
fierce juniper
and in that 30s all of these ability is up again with all charge
and you still got a leap for mobility
fierce juniper
they change it?
Charge and Intervene grant you Shield Block, Revenge!, and generate 20 Rage.
uneven mason
know what they should give us instead of Revenge!
sterile moss
inb4 SB gained by Reprisal don't stack
uneven mason
oh huh, I misread it then, I saw Intervene separated
fierce juniper
i mean it maybe fair if they make intervene dont work
uneven mason
adds minimum range to intervene
faint dust
Is there anything out on the new necro ability yet?
uneven mason
(β―Β°β‘Β°οΌβ―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
chilly brook
Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
wanton condor
if they made that all trigger only on intervene it would make more sense
fierce juniper
i mean rn the 100% uptime in SB is so op
fierce juniper
at least on pure melee fight it is equal to a permanent sw
chilly brook
I'm fine with it being more powerful than less
uneven mason
I'm honestly not feeling super excited about that, since we're close to 100% effective uptime in M+
chilly brook
Using mobility for a meh effect sucks ass
uneven mason
outside of super long packs
amber herald
is charge giving 20 more rage then? on top of already existing
chilly brook
Using mobility for a big effect feels fine
chilly brook
is charge giving 20 more rage then? on top of already existing
That's what I read it as
fierce juniper
i mean you still have leap
vapid lynx
since NF ability can only hit 5 targets do you limit yourself to pulling about 5-8 at max caue ravager+nf target cap?
fierce juniper
better than some tank named bdk
chilly brook
since NF ability can only hit 5 targets do you limit yourself to pulling about 5...
No
I pull as much as my group and I can handle
Ironically that's usually around 8-10 targets
But really has little to do with target caps
Or rather target caps don't factor into my thought process
They might have a negative effect on my pull sizes but I rarely find myself blaming them for anything
fierce juniper
i wonder if they will change the talent that extend SB with shield slam, after the new legendary
wanton condor
if it only worked on IV you could still have close to 100% SB uptime in the first 30s of a pull
10% downtime
fierce juniper
it is nearly 100% uptime already
wanton condor
this is without bolster
fierce juniper
yep
wanton condor
or ItF
fierce juniper
i mean the original 30s is more than enough for SB and charge to get 2 charge again
charge maybe 34s
but consider SB has less than 15s recharge
it equal out
wanton condor
I'm using 14s recharge for this, only Intervene grants SB
charge granting SB of course gets you to 100%
fierce juniper
yep
even consider that you only get 2 charge from the beginning and unable to use charge after, it is still 90% uptime on SB for the first minute
which is more than enough for a pack to die and charge to next one
wanton condor
yes, I'm doing the numbers as Live vs PTR leggo (if only intervene granted SB)
to see the difference in uptime
you go from ~66% uptime to ~90% uptime in 30s
fierce juniper
i dont really think they will nerf the SB part
maybe more on the rage part
maybe 5-10 instead of 20
consider charge already provide rage
ionic fern
Ngl..having 12s of SB every time you start a new pack is great.
I just did a HC where stuff died real fast but playing semi normally ( a couple of leaps to get another Charge in for the SB) and i ended with 82% blocked hits without Bolster.
ionic fern
is charge giving 20 more rage then? on top of already existing
Yes, Charge gives you 40 Rage now total with the Legendary
ionic fern
Look at allll the wasted rage.
No, it provides you +20 rage on top of charge and intervene
fierce juniper
it means a charge give you enough rage for SB and a free revenge
lavish oracle
That's absurd
ionic fern
Yes,yes it is.
ionic fern
So you charge in with SB up and you can get triple revenges off.
1 for free and 2 for the 40 rage.
lavish oracle
how did you ever
ionic fern
π
lavish oracle
think this was balanced
plucky rampart
I like it lol
lofty thistle
Gotta get our dps up go pally tanks lol
lavish oracle
Why can't I hold all these globals
ruby wind
prot war big now?
ionic fern
ANy of you guys have PTR and want to DPS/heal a key?:(
lavish oracle
@ruby wind if the Reprisal changes on PTR make it to live
yes
(they probably won't)
ruby wind
why not
lavish oracle
So do we literally just go BSC with that then? there's no way we need the rage gen from the others
because they're absolutely busted
ionic fern
Reprisal just reinforces our already strong defensiveness against blockable damage. If the majority of damage is blockable..it's stupid good. If there's a lot of magic damage like in DoS then you'd probably still be better off with The Wall.
split wyvern
Lol charge with reprisal is a built in macro of abilities
lavish oracle
I'd rather have infinite rage and AM
cloud jewel
Anyone have link to prot warrior changes coming up?
fierce juniper
give me the 50% SW cast on IP is enough
split wyvern
Iβd like to have shield wall down to 1 minute CD and abuse it with AM
uneven mason
I'd rather have Wall on millie manastorm for sure
I'd rather not have to fight htat boss
lavish oracle
I feel like I'd just sit there rage capped with Reprisal
Or I'd have to invent a machine that just mashes IP
uneven mason
Or I'd have to invent a machine that just mashes IP
mousewheel it
lavish oracle
Macro ip into all my other buttons just to dump rage effectively
lavish oracle
90% DR from IP π
open monolith
jesus christ Reprisal legendary looks nuts now
tall cloud
what is "Revenge!" ?
wanton condor
the thing with reprisal giving a ton of free rage, revenge, and SB is that you can dump the rest of your rage into IP for magic
open monolith
Revenge! is free revenge
tall cloud
ah
wanton condor
as reprisal helps take care of rage for damage and rage for physical block
open monolith
Reprisal for m+ is looking very tastey
chilly brook
As if they couldn't have given it the "vengeful gaze" name or something more creative than taking the name of the ability and adding an "!"
tall cloud
intervene on cd on someone close and dumping rage into ip looks very tasty yes
edgy venture
Am I the only one who feels like the Demo legendary feels better than the wall in raids.
ionic fern
For raiding..probably yes.
edgy venture
note: feels
wanton condor
for raiding?!
ionic fern
The CDR from hitting 1 target is just lackluster.
The Wall provides you a lot more value.
edgy venture
Yeah I know that
wanton condor
especially if you're running AM the wall feels great
tall cloud
^^
wanton condor
"I just hit SW, oh look, I just hit it again"
edgy venture
I like pressing buttons so idk
amber herald
they think I'm going to dump my rage into IP 
lavish oracle
You won't have enough globals to dump it all into revenge π
amber herald
watch me!
edgy venture
I hadn't switched my talents and lego for the raid and was wondering why was it feeling "nicer"
nnn
(difference beeing the lego and UF vs ItF
lavish oracle
I dunno, I can't imagine TL feeling better
You really shouldn't be using UF even with TL but to each their own
edgy venture
I mean I just run that when I go tank a dungeon but I guess that's wrong too xd
ionic fern
Yes, yes it is.
But if you're just chilling and enjoying the game and it's not stopping you from doing the content then you do you.
lavish oracle
I mean, I'm sure you can time 15s with it just fine as long as you're playing correctly
lavish oracle
Based
edgy venture
You assume I tank +10 keys
amber herald
ITF with reprisal so we can pump revenge more? 
lavish oracle
Yeah, if you're just chilling, play whatever you want
sweet kayak
I have 28% versa, will I get the full value from it on M+?
lavish oracle
How do you mean?
There's no weird secondary scaling in keys if that's what you're asking
sweet kayak
I see! okay thanks π
astral crystal
you always get full value from vers ye
sweet kayak
Good to hear thanks guys β€οΈ
strong forum
is aight
uneven mason
the heroic one is about as effective as a health stone on a 1min CD
its not the best overall, but it does give you another bit of padding for predictable damage.
in raid that is, in M+ is "meh"
deft vessel
what do i replace (I can add a socket to the new one)
uneven mason
replace the 207
deft vessel
my hunger for haste tho ;-;
edgy venture
Yeah I just got the Heroic version of the Denath trinket so. Equiped.
uneven mason
I mean, if you value haste then keep the 207, its going to be splitting hairs, was just thinking the bigm astery on that 216 is chonkers damage in M+ Β―_(γ)_/Β―
uneven mason
Yeah I just got the Heroic version of the Denath trinket so. Equiped.
gratz~
strong forum
rank 5 shriek π
edgy venture
now only if that mythical (pun intended) hakkar trinket would dro.
edgy venture
rank 5 shriek π
dang
strong forum
and no PIs π¦
trim condor
Anyone can log wow? Its says world server Is down for me
strong forum
im inside
open monolith
This new Reprisal legendary looks like we can take AM comfortably in m+ and still maintain huge SB uptime
trim condor
I am bugged I think, I can write in game, but game Is lagged, I am restarting game 1 hour in a row
open monolith
You can start every single pull with 40 rage, 2 shield blocks.
I just... that is so beautiful
lavish oracle
You can start every pull with 60 rage apparently
and 2 free revenges
as long as you have one melee to intervene too, anyways
blazing condor
you guys know if the front 2 mobs in HoA on the second (left from entrance) Shard mob pull everything in that pack?
or can you pull those two separately
tall cloud
front 2, the 2 at the top of the stairs to the right, and the groundkeepers on the left tbh
uneven mason
I am bugged I think, I can write in game, but game Is lagged, I am restarting ga...
its all the extra loot that is dropping, RNGesus is rebelling and trying to destroy it all.
deft vessel
do i swap?
strong forum
if you dont need the scale, yes
exotic plover
Hey, just want to check but threat shouldnt care about burst damage and consistant damage its about total damage done right?
uneven mason
wat
burst + consistant = total damage
but iirc threat decays
like theres a window?
IDK I'm always facetanking and pumping, but if someone bursts hard enough they could yank off of you
strong forum
burst can quickly overaggro you because you didnt burst enough yourself yes
exotic plover
Well I guess I was unspecific, my co-tank did 150k dmg in the wipe and I did 140k dmg and he still yanked aggro of me
strong forum
some abilities have threat modifiers
exotic plover
Yeah like demon hunter glaive
strong forum
and during taunt you also generate x4 threat
exotic plover
Oh that may be it then
uneven mason
VDH burst is insane
strong forum
i outaggro my VDH on pull so idk man
exotic plover
Well yeah that was the problem
uneven mason
they can easily overtake you in a burst window
uneven mason
i outaggro my VDH on pull so idk man
But you're you
exotic plover
i outaggro my VDH on pull so idk man
I am a monk tho so I dont really belong here
strong forum
:chad:
exotic plover
β¬ββ¬ γ( γ-γγ)
uneven mason
take that zen crap elsewhere, this hall is for yelling and stomping
exotic plover
I like warriors tho :)
uneven mason
kidding
but IDK as a BrM you shouldn't lose aggro unless he's taunting
or happens to burst hard in a window where you're not doing anything
exotic plover
Well we're progressing sire and im afking each cleansing pain cus my computer freezes
languid heath
I was yanking off of my paladin co tank
Happens frequently to me, too...
uneven mason
I don't get it
cunning parcel
Are you using defensive on pull or just full on revenge?
uneven mason
I'm pumping
languid heath
He always accuses me of taunting haha
uneven mason
because I got tired of him yanking off of me
silver trout
as my gear has gone up I've noticed I'm out aggroing my cotanks a lot
uneven mason
but after the 2nd cleansing I got aggro back
Also Sire was really making me mad
I would be in his hitbox, hit taunt, and he'd teleport 10 feet behind me, and slap me with inevitable
cunning parcel
I struggle to hold agro on pull because I'm worried of not having SB up, should I just be spamming revenge?
uneven mason
had several deaths just due to him and his sword deciding that being in melee range wasn't close enough and double shadow slapping me
uneven mason
I struggle to hold agro on pull because I'm worried of not having SB up, should ...
Avatar + charge hit SB slap rev
well hit SS then rev
not on mythic myself, just HC prog still, but Phase 1 Sire his tank damage is next to laughable
brisk rain
yo
uneven mason
its not until P2 that tank damage is a thing
brisk rain
220 bis stats 1hander or not bis stats 226 1hander?
split wyvern
as my gear has gone up I've noticed I'm out aggroing my cotanks a lot
Whatβs your ilvl at?
uneven mason
220 bis stats 1hander or not bis stats 226 1hander?
always ilvl especially on Shield > weapon > chest
actually anything that isn't a trinket ring or neck
and even then, ilvl will generally win on the neck and ring
all of our stats help survivability and damage, and they're all PRETTY close together.
silver trout
Whatβs your ilvl at?
214, were just started progressing into heroic... so no measure of greatness here but threat doesn't feel like a big issue at this point
uneven mason
I Mean, whats your cotank?
silver trout
DK
silver trout
I've pugged with DHs and pallys and had similar comments
it might also be a skill level diff too, lol
dusky knot
Best legendary for M+?
uneven mason
I really hope prot pallys get some tuning love for their mitigation
They certainly don't need buffs
uneven mason
Best legendary for M+?
TW or TL
caveat is in 9.0.5 we're getting a revamped reprisal
which is prob going to be amazing
silver trout
thunderlords work well. the wall also works well. lots of folks here use either and it comes down to how it feels to you
uneven mason
for m+
silver trout
ayup
last mason
is going right better in spires
uneven mason
if it goes live how it is, will flat out murder TL for M+
last mason
or is left still the play
uneven mason
The Wall or Thunderlord's
dusky knot
Ty
brisk rain
ok another question
last mason
@uneven mason i mean after the first boss
brisk rain
that weapon, will 6ilvl upgrade, but hsit stats improve my survi by a lot or is just dmg?
last mason
like the right route
brisk rain
cuz if its mega minor then ill jsut get 2h for fury
last mason
usually go left but have been seeing more people go right
river vine
any tips for tanking mythic inerva? or do all tanks just get slapped on that fight?
chilly brook
any tips for tanking mythic inerva? or do all tanks just get slapped on that fig...
Don't mess up the mechanic
Profit
That's really it
Turn on your game sound and its basically impossible to mess up
plucky rampart
Silly question from a new tank: Does Demoralizing Shout generates aggro?
uneven mason
no
plucky rampart
ty
uneven mason
well I mean, it'll aggro stuff on to you
but its not like classic
where you could spam it and hold aggro on 100s of mobs
split wyvern
214, were just started progressing into heroic... so no measure of greatness her...
Right on, thanks
chilly brook
The only times you're really kinda in danger on inerva is when you turn your back to the boss to do the mechanic other than that it's all on the group
uneven mason
85parse almost same as 51parse rip
split wyvern
Dh vs dh lol
strong forum
no
strong forum
π
rancid fractal
buffs to reprisal and seismic gonna be dope for m+ or nah?
split wyvern
Reprisal looks good
jaunty pendant
who is pushing keys
uneven mason
plka
chilly brook
jaunty pendant
im making a prot warrior coming from guardian is thunderclap legit?
chilly brook
Big feelsbad
uneven mason
thundercrap
plucky rampart
reprisal looks good
lol
chilly brook
im making a prot warrior coming from guardian is thunderclap legit?
Thunderclap is meh now
chilly brook
It's literally just there for the rage and to buff revenge if you're running show of force
uneven mason
you press it when you don't have enough rage for revenge
chilly brook
split wyvern
im making a prot warrior coming from guardian is thunderclap legit?
I really like the Wall lego
river vine
@chilly brook im taking less dmg then our vengance tank but not by much, is 6k dps to the tank high?
flat marten
Is the new necrolord banner going to be any good?
jaunty pendant
@split wyvern was looking at IO one of the top warriors is running TC leggo doing 20s
river vine
ok so considerablly higher then what dmg you're taking @chilly brook
strong forum
which boss
chilly brook
Inerva @strong forum
Theres a lot that's not necessarily in your control
If you have adds that are living longer you're gonna have a much higher damage intake tbh
patent osprey
so I did use anima orb but... was some good dps ^.^
chilly brook
The big add actually slaps
uneven mason
yeah, I mean, he slaps kinda at first on heroic when I was 205
I imagine it just goes up from there.
patent osprey
damn dude 1934 hits lol in 1 dung
uneven mason
slap some revene
you trying out that rev lego with Necrolord?
gotta be meme at #1
pine slate
he is fae
patent osprey
maybe later i will ^.^ righ tnow im having alot of fun with NF
aftershock interrupt is kidna insane
pine slate
honestly making me want to level my warrior and try out NF tanking.
patent osprey
and such good dam
pine slate
I think i'm gonna do it.
ionic fern
Do it. NF is great in m+.
coarse kestrel
NF feels great, love pressing aftershock
chilly brook
aftershock interrupt is kidna insane
I feel I've been preaching this for ages
uneven mason
Aftershock so big
pine slate
What would be better to offspec then, arms or fury as NF?
chilly brook
Like imho way better than phial for m+
patent osprey
What would be better to offspec then, arms or fury as NF?
fury, NF is bis for fury in m+
coarse kestrel
@chilly brook you have been preaching it for ages because you preached it to me when I started my war and made him NF.
valid zodiac
Nightfae gang reporting in.
uneven mason
Aftershock stun for the caster packs in DOS feels so right.
chilly brook
NF is just so good as prot
uneven mason
patent osprey
Hope the Venthyr Prot warrior gang takes me back when the new raid comes out T_T
uneven mason
I enjoyed Venthyr prot too
chilly brook
Lol
uneven mason
but I kept overusing condemn
uneven mason
because it felt so crunchy peanutbutter
chilly brook
My mind would probably be changed if condemn had a cleave component attached for prot
coarse kestrel
I'm venthyr now, switched when I thought I wasn't going to be tanking in raid, and love it too
chilly brook
Something something 45% of value on up to 5 nearby targets
patent osprey
My mind would probably be changed if condemn had a cleave component attached for...
true
if should cleave
after u use revenge
like fury whirlwind
uneven mason
Venthyr soulbinds I think might be the best for raid tanking
patent osprey
thatd be so sick
chilly brook
Yep
lavish oracle
I'm telling you, multiple covenants
plucky rampart
maybe later i will ^.^ righ tnow im having alot of fun with NF
Whats your feeling about reworked necro abilities for prot?
lavish oracle
eventually we'll have all the covenant abilities
uneven mason
eventually we'll have all the covenant abilities
plz no captain planet
lavish oracle
yessss
uneven mason
I want less borrowed power
coarse kestrel
With single target, venthyr prot kinda seems best
chilly brook
eventually we'll have all the covenant abilities
I actually wouldn't be super opposed to that
split wyvern
Thunderclap is an ability not a Lego
I understand thunderclap is an ability. I thought someone was asking the wall vs thunderlord
coarse kestrel
I dunno if that's true for dps but I feel like I do well with it
patent osprey
Whats your feeling about reworked necro abilities for prot?
I think its great. Necro was basically useless for Prot warrior until the changes. I Think itll be bis for raid + the go to cov for raiding prot warriors. For M+ I think it is good at the super high levels of keys if your group is super coordinated. I think itll be a nightmare for pugging and even high keys if everything doesn't go to plan.
uneven mason
I think its great. Necro was basically useless for Prot warrior until the change...
400 mastery bigger than 5% spell dmg for that combustion window!
pine slate
why are you gonna go back to venthyr next raid plka?
uneven mason
Because the General
chilly brook
Am I doing good dad?@patent osprey
uneven mason
Misses him
chilly brook
why are you gonna go back to venthyr next raid plka?
He plays dps in raids
uneven mason
With single target, venthyr prot kinda seems best
I'm not so sure that the gap is at big as you would think.
Basically condemn carries an opportunity cost of using the rage/GCD for revenge, while Kyrian and NF both provide large bursts + mastery buffs for a stronger burst window.
chilly brook
@uneven mason remember when someone said you cant just simply go DPS and perform well from tanking?
patent osprey
Am I doing good dad?<@133743762999476224>
Big proud haha
chilly brook
Many a cleaved condemn was had
patent osprey
why are you gonna go back to venthyr next raid plka?
NF is really good for Fury AOE fights, but ST it is a bit lack luster. Also NF arms is pretty lack luster as well, where as condemn is really good for Arms. Arms is usually the ideal raid prog spec because u only need 1 weapon instead of 2 and its very good in execute
pine slate
That makes a lot of sense.
uneven mason
Wishing for our stolen 10% haste to be returned on Enrage in fury.
would be a substantial buff for ST IMO
but yeah, doing M+ as fury for trash packs is juicy
pine slate
I'm going to mess around and if I like prot with NF I'm just gonna main it and just do keys and that's that.
merry ocean
so I did use anima orb but... was some good dps ^.^
So much revenge casts holy. How do you have rage to use IP or SB when all you cast is revenge? π
uneven mason
You dont?
pine slate
It's a totally different play style now right? I haven't played since mid BFA
pine slate
does revenge spread? or just single target still?
pine slate
we still get free revenges?
uneven mason
just do what Plka does and ignore IP, slap revenge, you'll do well!
pine slate
we stacking shield block and IP still?
uneven mason
yes
kidding though
while you're leanring you'll need to get use to not overspending on revenge or IP
and eating unblocked hits.
but i left mid BFA myself
chilly brook
Wishing for our stolen 10% haste to be returned on Enrage in fury.
Yes please
uneven mason
and slid into SL prot just fine
patent osprey
So much revenge casts holy. How do you have rage to use IP or SB when all you c...
IP is a trap. Don't push it unless ur gonna die, or between mitigations or magic/bleed damage
Pump :)_
amber herald
IP
pine slate
interesting
silver trout
after all the faster stuff dies, the less damage we have to mitigate
lost oracle
Do you guys have any M+ prot warrior pov?
patent osprey
I have some on youtube and just twitch vods if ur interested
stuck patio
yesss link me them β₯οΈ
patent osprey
gonna get yelled at for #promotion
T_T
ill dm u
just don't watch.. yesterday...
I was just having fun as fury haha
plucky rampart
I have some on youtube and just twitch vods if ur interested
I am always watching it all π
tender phoenix
is [Splintered Heart of Al'ar] any good? as its not listed on WoWhead or icyveins for prot warrior
tardy parcel
Do you guys have any M+ prot warrior pov?
@shut summit has excellent videos at his YT channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeCzc4cLBfj_VxtgF31n-hA. @strong forum streams on Twitch as well https://www.twitch.tv/nomeratur. Those 2 and Plka are wonderful resources for prot play
pine slate
what soulbind would you suggest for NF ?
strong forum
only for the highest of keys
lost oracle
Thank you!
uneven mason
is [Splintered Heart of Al'ar] any good? as its not listed on WoWhead or icyvein...
Its handy when you need it, but generally you won't need it unless someone messes up.
So, I use it for pugging keys
tender phoenix
ah ok thanks
patent osprey
is [Splintered Heart of Al'ar] any good? as its not listed on WoWhead or icyvein...
its also very good for high keys ^.^ I just never get one T_T
merry ocean
IP is a trap. Don't push it unless ur gonna die, or between mitigations or magic...
Appreciate the info
amber herald
what soulbind would you suggest for NF ?
Niya or korayn for pure dmg
pine slate
thanks
amber herald
always niya in raid pretty sure
coarse kestrel
oh wow face your foes on korayn is like improved duelist
uneven mason
niya so nice, brurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrz
pine slate
hmm
chilly brook
literally best animations
No that belongs to panda
amber herald
dorf
coarse kestrel
I went kul tiran because people complained when I was mechagnome that they can't see me
amber herald
mechagnomes are cursed but that's a weird one
uneven mason
I went kul tiran because people complained when I was mechagnome that they can't...
shaved panda
uneven mason
mechagnomes are cursed but that's a weird one
nah, when they added goblins to horde I had a horrible time seeing them on my Tauren resto shm, the size difference is real, as they add more fattys to the alliance I can see that being an issue.
sick sentinel
Hello. Any experienced Prot Warriors here? Need some advice concerning which legendary to craft, and on which gear piece. The Wall or Thunderlord? I will mostly do m+, but I heard that The Wall is better in high m+ keys? Which is more reliable in the long term? Cheers.
outer solstice
what race should i go
gnome!
I'd go with wall @sick sentinel but I'm a noob shrug
wall just feels nicer to play I think
but either should work
sick sentinel
Been leaning towards The Wall myself. Eager to get some perspectives ^^
heavy sail
The Wall is better catch all, TL better in some more niche multi-target scenarios
sick sentinel
Fair. Reckon crafting it on the cloak is much worse than shoulders?
Wowhead says shoulders so.
heavy sail
Iβd reprisal goes live how it is now it will be BiS
chilly brook
heavy sail
But I doubt it will
chilly brook
sick sentinel
Also,
are Venthyr Prot Warriors pretty crippled, even with the buffs?
in the next patch
we do have Draven I guess?
Are the 9.0.5 buffs decent to show off more prot?
strong forum
pwar will be better yes but we dont get any baseline buffs
which is very sad
only leggo and covenant shit
outer solstice
yeah, but necrolord if it goes live as is rn is crazy shit
median copper
raid needed me to tank today council mythic (main tank got some irl stuff)
so tanked it with signet π ok my question is that what is the preferred spot for the wall? guess shoulders
heavy sail
I donβt feel like it needed any real baseline buffs tbh, wouldnβt hurt I guess
But covenant and legendary tuning could be a big deal
Shoulders yeah
Assuming that nothing at all changes from now to 9.0.5 release, I think warrior is sitting in a very good spot
Between the massive necro buffs and reprisal memes
Like those two buffs might unironically mean more to Prot overall than every tuning pass Fury has gotten since SL launch
fallen rose
what do you guys think about the Unbreakable Will change? and the Reprisal rework?
median tulip
Reprisal is broken fun
ocean yoke
the only baseline buffs could use is damage more than anything else
fallen rose
i think SR needs a change to help with magic damage, like if they made it where it could reflect 1 ability like it dose now but you keep the 20% less damage for the duration
ocean yoke
dont die
median tulip
Inerva is not really about the tank. What will wipe the raid is all DPS issues
nimble drift
thinkin of going bolster
strong forum
na
nimble drift
since theres like 0% downtime tanking
nimble drift
whys that
nimble drift
oh yeah im retarded
nimble drift
idk my thought process is like "the dot will rape me for 20s"
Is that true tho?
U got a log from a kill
I feel like most of the dmg is still physical
outer solstice
we did sire hc today with 2 MWs .... off I died 3 times with only 6 stacks in P3...
nimble drift
ever go over 2 stacks there?
lusty nebula
is kyrian still go to for M+/Raid in that order?
languid juniper
strong forum
is kyrian still go to for M+/Raid in that order?
pmuch
pure sun
Any groups here that tank the big ad in p3 of mythic council?
pure sun
I was just wonderin if people hold'm in the stack or not lol. The OT holding it trying to stack it gets slapped and we're wonderin if running a DH to darkness is the best chance to live on his later stacks.
lavish oracle
Spires is nice this week
cinder storm
Yeah its kinda free this week
astral crystal
I was just wonderin if people hold'm in the stack or not lol. The OT holding it ...
it depends what your group wants to do, if you wanna kill it, yes, keep him in the stack and blow a few coolies on the tank holding it when it's about to get dicey
i was nik tank so i never did the kiting
fringe marten
Michael we're about to start progress on it now; got down inerva last night so we're now 6/10 and our strat will be to kill that add, because it's me (prot war) and Guardian druid tanking it...no kiting gonna' happen.
So uhh...I'll let ya' know how it do~
And what is all this hubbub about the revenge legendary? I only raid log now and do like 1 key this past week. Valheim is OWNING MY LIFE right now.
lavish oracle
There hubbub about a couple leggos on PTR right now
Reprisal is gonna be absurd if it releases in its current PTR state
lavish oracle
100% block uptime, here we come
fringe marten
That also makes..no sense, and...is going to be a SUPER irritating thing to play around.
strong forum
not rly
lavish oracle
and also 100 rage per minute, and 5 free revenges
I mean, seems fine to play around
fringe marten
You're going to have to macro an intervene to your cotank, while you're actively tanking shit.
lavish oracle
I have mine on mouseover already
lavish oracle
I already intervene a bunch in keys
fringe marten
Also means we may likely be slotting in that intervene DR conduit
Yeah but you aren't intervening to 'keep' tanking
You're being a giant pussy like every other tank
which is why SL is trash.
lavish oracle
now I can do both π
amber herald
TRUE
fringe marten
I'm not even looking at this for a M+ thing; I'm looking at this solely for raiding. you don't want to be intervening any 'distant' targets because you don't want to move the boss; which means you may likely be taking additional damage from cotank stacks/hits/whatever.
or..you can't use it..so now your legendary is being wasted.
lavish oracle
There aren't a ton of fights where you can't like leap out and charge back in safely
or intervene to your cotank
Like, I'm sure there will be some fights where it becomes very awkward
but you can always just swap it off
fringe marten
Sludge, any fight where you 'swap' targets...etc. it's a l ot
lavish oracle
Sludge is a perfect fight for it
fringe marten
when you intervene your cotank you're going to be taking additional damage.
lavish oracle
you're already running out several times a phase
fringe marten
yes, so you aren't using it on intervene.
amber herald
aren't you wanting to intervene your cotank a lot?
fringe marten
But taht means you aren't maximizing it every time you can.
amber herald
I thought that was the meta
fringe marten
On sludge? No.
lavish oracle
Even without intervene it's an 18s increase to mitigation uptime over a minute
which is better than any other legendary
fringe marten
Yes, the charge part on sludge will be cool.
Ok I guess let me rephrase; like everything in life..every time..everywhere
I'm not at ALL interested in the positive.
I want to know where it will shove it up my ass
So I can know how 'bad' it is in given situations, if it's ever worth taking it off for another leggo or whatever.
If that goes live, yes there's literally no contest it's the best legendary we have.
candid quail
does anyone know if unbreakable will affects your whole raid
lavish oracle
The only fight I can think of where it's absolutely unusable is Varimathras from Argus
old monolith
Tank my first two 10s today. Didn't time one off 1 second and one off 4 minutes. But I didn't feel like I wasn't tanky enough
Has to get better at routes though 10 throw me off
fringe marten
It's also..crazy game changing..as in literally will change how you play the game to utilize it. That's ...? irritating. I guess neat..if you wanna ..look at 'fun' side of WoW which I never do, ever, for any reason.
lavish oracle
I've been comparing it to momentum
but tbh I love momentum so I'm pretty sure I won't mind reprisal :d
fringe marten
Momentum?
lavish oracle
I don't think it should be released like this though
fringe marten
That's an arms thing isn't it? or fury?
fringe marten
oh nm
I'm just not a fan of what I know that will do..which is change the way my muscle memory hits keys; and that's gonna' be a PITA.
Because now it's "ok taunt phase coming up..annnd...intervene cotank, taunt boss..normal rotation..shield block down/shield block up...normal boss whatever...intervene is up: is it viable to use now, or use normal shield block? Can I leap/charge without moving boss? Yes/no Use Block...continue.."
I just see that as a lot of added irritation and shit to do during also "images from inerva..watch each red thing..in all the red shit..face them...2 stack now taunt big add OH now intervene..for block DON'T use normal block charge.." like damn son..I had enough shit to do.
sharp sun
How do people deal with the buzzsaw on DoS millificent? It feels like it shreds me to death
fringe marten
I'm Dwarf/Kyrian so either I use racial, or phial depending on 'strength' of the bleed at that current time.
It's either you can sustain it and it's not that bad, or it's mad nasty..and I clear it with one of the two abilities.
That's also something where stacking IP on top of your block is useful to mitigate out the damage. But depending on key and affixes that bleed is some dank shit.
It's the only boss ability in ..? all of shadow lands except .the ..? Bone spear or whatever from Hakkar..when reflect is NOT up.
That I fear
Shadowlands bosses have a lot more mechanics than some of the older stuff; so more people have to do stuff, but they aren't that scary to the tank. Minus a couple abilities.
lavish oracle
The Sawblades? I actually have never really had an issue with it as long as I'm mindful of what CD I'm using for it
fringe marten
Barb? shadow barb? whatever it is from hakkar that's some nasty~
And all of this is insignificant because it's not my viking homestead simulator.
lavish oracle
like Shield Wall, Phial, Demo + Last Stand, healer external
spare cave
How do prot warriors kite in mythic plus?
fringe marten
Yeah..and..then that stuff is gone. Now what you got? Depending on how long the fight is you may not have a personal or external. But since I'm SO reliant on my racial or phial I don't even think about anything else until THOSE are down.
Yeah we can kite fine
spare cave
Im venthyr i dont have spear
fringe marten
Leap, intervene...charge to a different distant target (praetors in spires..that kinda' shit) the spear of bastion I'm using on pull for dps/threat so that's RARELY ever a kiting tool.
but shockwave...and don't forget intim shout.
lotta prot forget about intim shout as an aoe interrupt, kiting tool...etc
even if it breaks insta, it's still basically a 1 second stun you can cast a few yards away.
(and it will break insta, and you want it to LOL)
lavish oracle
I end up using it more as an AoE stop than a kiting tool unless I'm really desperate to just get some distance
fringe marten
^^
yeah 99% of the time intim shout is on CD due to stopping some cast/s in a pack.
but..
it IS a tool we have, regardless.
But so is shockwave
And if you wanna use a conduit and talent for it (you lose stormbolt, which is also good too) but you can get shockwave to a ridiculously low CD (17 seconds)
I always miss stormbolt a bit, but every time I have tried the 17 sec shockwave loadout I love it too.
The problem with prot warrior, is the same it's always been (same thing I was basically complaining about that new legendary with) It has a crazy high skill cieling because it has a TON of tools and things to do, but usually very small windows for them to work in (shield reflect a big indicator of that)
sharp sun
Iβve switched to Night Fae this week which makes kiting the little bit nicer with the spirit form thing too
fringe marten
So you have to be..pushing a ton of shit, doing a lot of shit..making sure you're facing the right way ..can't get flanked/back hit..etc...
You think that's a basic gameplay mechanic, b ut not getting flanked/back hit is a BIG deal in M+
amber herald
problem with shockwave on low cd is it DRs everything for party members abilities
not always desirable if you're running with another class that has stuns
fringe marten
Yeah but really not a ton of people have aoe stun, that they're 'relying' on using.
amber herald
it's when they want to use a single target stun really
low cd shockwave is good just a little dodgy sometimes
sharp sun
Guess you could say itβs used a lot and ask them not to stun as much so@yours works smoother?
Depends if pug or not I guess
brave jetty
late to the conversation but
it's actually irresponsible not to be hoarding soul ash in the event that Reprisal goes live with how it currently looks
which is a slight bummer because the new unbreakable will actually looks cool too
torpid moon
reprisal looks really good
can change to double time to proc it more too, but lose out on storm bolt
amber herald
probably won't need doubletime with it being on intervene as well
so all good there
torpid moon
will it replace the wall and thunderstomper tho
depends on the shield block uptime, could be really high tho
amber herald
No one really knows because we don't know what it'll look like once patch hits yet
signal plover
tbh both of these updated leggos look like they would work RLY well when paired with the current BiS ones
not as standalone
amber herald
but if it stays how it is now then probably because it lets us take anger management instead of bolster
which will be a nice dmg buff for us as well as the uptime on shield block
for m+ idk raid
torpid moon
i usually run AM anyways, with the rage cooldown its only like a 45 second cd
my shield block uptime is usually like ~35%, maybe reprisal could get that 50% or higher
amber herald
if you take bolster it'd probably be 100%
but likely we want to trade that off for a bit more damage with AM
torpid moon
i mean for the whole dungeon and looking at my auras
amber herald
it'll definitely be higher than we have now
but who knows really it's only been announced today
chilly brook
tbh both of these updated leggos look like they would work RLY well when *paired...
You talking about UW?
amber herald
uWu?
chilly brook
Owo
signal plover
UW n reprisal yeh
lavish oracle
Nah, reprisal is just flat out good
chilly brook
UW n reprisal yeh
Reprisal would be the go to if you need super high block uptime, and might actually just be flatout BiS
UW is still very niche and likely not going to be used ever really
neat lagoon
So I have used Pelagos soulbind for all of shadowlands so far while tanking. The normal set up. Works fine. Has anyone attempted to use Forgelite Prime to get the 3-15% stackable haste buff?
I was debating on giving it a shot. I already have 28% haste unbuffed and I am specced into Ravager. This would put me around 40% haste when I am tanking trash. Just over 30% when on a boss? Seems pretty strong no?
chilly brook
So I have used Pelagos soulbind for all of shadowlands so far while tanking. The...
Really not worth
Also
I actually agree
pretty hard here
naive hatch
bolster vs anger management for raid tanking?
neat lagoon
prolly AM? but would depend on the boss
chilly brook
AM
Depends on boss and your group
But pretty much all of the fights you can run AM
ngl
I'm really starting to like Max
he actually gets it
neat lagoon
He makes a point
I really hope they dont make Necrolord the go to tank cov though... I have too much invested in Kyrian
chilly brook
It's refreshing to see a good take on all the tanks tbh
neat lagoon
Although I dont think anything will replace Kyrian from a Mythic + stand point
vague jetty
Is there a legendary vendor on ptr
neat lagoon
Yeah but I value the debuff clear and spear's tether too much. I just like being able to control my kiting myself if i have to
I was very close to going NF this week though
astral crystal
wait til 9.0.5 tuning
torpid moon
i plan on switching to necro with 9.0.5, yeah spear is good for kiting but i think we can still kite decent enough without it
open monolith
Yo what gets you guys harder:
"BOOGIE DOWN" - Freida
Or
"CRAWL TO ME ON YOUR KNEES" - Daddy Flexnathrius
pine slate
You guys have a macro for intervene/charge for mouseover? or does it have to be two buttons?
neat lagoon
I just use the addon Clique
silver trout
i have a macro
neat lagoon
my charge is bound to "mouse wheel down" and when I hover my mouse over a party member's frame and use the mouse wheel down I will then intervene. same with heroic and shattering throw. same binds but when i mouse over the enemies unit frame, it casts shattering instead of heroic
silver trout
i use this
#showtooltip
/use [@mouseover,exists,harm] Charge;[@mouseover,exists,help] Intervene; [harm] Charge; Intervene
pine slate
Thank you π
silver trout
your not getting your liter of cola though
solemn magnet
Revenge.
pine slate
so no whirlwind?
solemn magnet
No whirlwind
pine slate
taking it off my bar lol
nimble drift
https://youtu.be/viVIejlVwfI?t=825
wait so we goin necro? Poggers that will be fun
loud shore
Hello dear Prots. Please bare with me, as I am an absolute warrior noob. I have read many guids, but am hoping to get some more specific information on here. I am interesting in playing Prot Warrior and was wondering how strong Night Fae is vs Venthyr, specifically.
amber herald
between those two it really depends what you want to do in game
austere coyote
have you tried checking the pins?
loud shore
Mostly I would be tanking very casually, to get into prot; low level keys and LFR as I do not raid. I would like to be able to play Arms in PvP, though, so I do not know if that has an impact on Covenant choice
loud shore
have you tried checking the pins?
I am sorry, what pins?
austere coyote
the pins for this channel. There's a decent breakdown of the various covenant strengths for prot
loud shore
Ah i see, thanks
Does anyone have experience with Prot tanking as Venthyr?
How viable is that in lower keys, heroic raids
amber herald
it's viable
lusty karma
What are thoughts on the legendary buffs?
oak rapids
So, we all switchin to necrolord after the patch?
median tulip
What are thoughts on the legendary buffs?
Hahaha Reprisal gimme gimme
median tulip
So, we all switchin to necrolord after the patch?
Nope lol
median tulip
There is no way this is going to make it to live. Or if it does, it will be nerfed within the week:
"Reprisal: Charge and Intervene grant you Shield Block, Revenge!, and generate 20 Rage."
oak rapids
holy
fresh spear
So, we all switchin to necrolord after the patch?
i hope so, necro looks so good for warriors after the buff
median tulip
And before you ask, yes the 20 Rage from the legendary does stack with the 20 Rage you get from Charging anyway
median tulip
It's still not enough to make me want to go to Maldraxxus
fresh spear
i wanna see it be used in m+ 500 mastery + fire mage + night fae guardian on combustion + pi is gonna be nuts
lusty karma
the leggo will be nice on pull