how much is TL? 120 rage per minute?
#protection
lavish oracle
chilly brook
Like I said you could say its equivalent to x amount but its rather irrelevant the most important part isn't the rage "gain" its just that its providing essentially 4 charges of shield block instead of 2
lavish oracle
On 3+ targets?
rigid elm
how much is TL? 120 rage per minute?
Hard to say exactly. Depends on pull speed and thunder clap effectiveness
jagged pier
how much is TL? 120 rage per minute?
about 90 -120 on a 3 target fight as around a 23 sec cd
median tulip
Yeah it does. 20 per use of Charge or Intervene
smoky wave
you'll find people using both. I prefer the wall but I'm going to craft up TL max next and try that again. TL is more dam, Wall smoother rage gen and faster SW. I'd craft both at 1 and see which you prefer
jagged pier
but u only count the extra ones u get
chilly brook
Yeah it does. 20 per use of Charge or Intervene
The legendary doesn't give you that rage
jagged pier
so 90 as u will always have 1 demo
chilly brook
Charge gives you rage without that
jagged pier
gives u 5 rage
chilly brook
If you wanted to be a turbo nerd you could game that rage yourself right now
rigid elm
The other dope thing is how much longer we can charge in, pop last stand and pump threat before kiting
jagged pier
or might give u 20 rage on top do we know yet?
lavish oracle
I don't think the changes are live on PTR yet, are they?
rigid elm
I don't think the changes are live on PTR yet, are they?
Nope
median tulip
Charge gives you rage without that
The Datamine on Wowhead reads "Charge and Intervene grant you Shield Block, Revenge!, and generate 20 Rage."
rigid elm
Do we know if that is 20 rage on top of the initial rage gain of charge? Or just a replacement effect?
smoky wave
for those that cba to find the link like me
median tulip
Do we know if that is 20 rage on top of the initial rage gain of charge? Or just...
I do not know
lavish oracle
I would assume that means charge generates 10 additonal rage
since it already generates 10
So 70 rage per minute?
median tulip
In which case it would be a mere 70 Rage per minute, plus 250 Rage worth of free procs
lavish oracle
And 100% SB uptime, and free revenges
rigid elm
Definitely need to consider the dead zone of charge. It isn't a 100% guarantee you can do it on cool down
lavish oracle
mmmm, you can do it pretty consistently in most circumstances
median tulip
True. Which is why I would be wanting to use Shockwave a lot
But Heroic Leap out and charge back is also an option
lavish oracle
I'd call circumstances in which you can't consistently charge more niche than circumstances in which you can
jagged pier
i mean intervene out and charge back
run out of range of casters and charge them
u dont need to shockwave all the time
rigid elm
I guess I don't normally try and charge in combat unless I'm trying to kite. I'm probably pretty bad though
jagged pier
would probably run double time iwth it tho
lavish oracle
Like, Varimathras or Sludgefist are fights on which maybe you wouldn't want to use reprisal
and you probably use it on sludge
lavish oracle
Yeah, after any stomp, basically
rigid elm
I think being able to take Anger Management is certainly worth considering which is only possible if you're able to forgo Bolster
median tulip
would probably run double time iwth it tho
Double time would certainly help with having the charges when you need them. In the long run it's only one additional use, but it's about when you use it.
rigid elm
And the new Reprisal allows for that
lavish oracle
Does BSC do better with Reprisal?
is it worth taking in any circumstance even if it reduces our rage gen?
jagged pier
probs not
median tulip
At 5 additional Revenge procs per minute, BSC will certainly be worth a look
jagged pier
only time u take BSC is with the new seismic
lavish oracle
If it goes live like this, yes
literally any situation in which you're worried about shield block uptime even a little
median tulip
You guys figure reprisal is the play
If it makes it to live like this,sure
heavy sail
It’s kind of a wonky ass mechanic
Having to intervene or leap and charge to generate SB uptime
lavish oracle
A little janky but no more janky than momentum
heavy sail
Used optimally it definitely seems better than TW/TL
But yeah I guess it’s up in the air if it goes live this way
wicked lantern
Y’all sleeping on the seismic change. All aboard the pump train!
lavish oracle
We're not sleeping on it, it's just a meme
rigid elm
I just wish they'd add a leggo that increased the ignore pain cap :( :( :(
wicked lantern
What meme about pumping deeps?
median tulip
The Seismic change is good. It'll be massive if we can ever use 2 legendaries tho
heavy sail
Seismic seems really good, but how could you pass up SB uptime if it’s available
That’s what it’s all about baby
lavish oracle
If you're ever on a fight where you're hitting 3+ targets, and you're not worried about shield block uptime, by all means take Seismic
rigid elm
why?
Cuz I got too much rage during Ignore Pain (with conduits) and not enough rage outside of it
heavy sail
@lavish oracle not a realistic scenario at all
lavish oracle
That's my point
heavy sail
2 legendaries would make it excellent though
wicked lantern
SB uptime is fine I thinks with bolster
jagged pier
Cuz I got too much rage during Ignore Pain (with conduits) and not enough rage o...
then press revenge
i dont get who u have to much rage inside IP and none outside tbh
sounds like you doing something slighty wrong
lavish oracle
Yeah, 2nd leggo would make warrior BiS in M+ if we could take new Reprisal + new Seismic
heavy sail
Might already be best for damage with the necro buffs
rigid elm
then press revenge
I do my best. Trash isn't really a problem, but certainly feel rage starved on bosses in M+
heavy sail
Gonna wait and see on that one
jagged pier
you want to look on blocked hits not uptime
sick sentinel
kk im gonna ask again
jagged pier
atm u can get like 70+%
sick sentinel
Anyone have the math on shield block uptime
ty.
atm
without the legendary?
or with
jagged pier
yer
heavy sail
Yup
jagged pier
I do my best. Trash isn't really a problem, but certainly feel rage starved on b...
might be spamming IP too much or not holding rage for when u need it etc,
delicate thorn
when you're just out in the world killing stuff, what is better damage on single target, revenge or whirlwind?
jagged pier
revenge
u shouldnt have ww on your bars
costs more rage does less damage and doesnt give u any benfits
jagged pier
then play arms or fury
jade tartan
Is it time to go back to my Prot Warrior now? :p
unique shale
for pugging no
jade tartan
Why is that ?
lavish oracle
I mean, I'll always defend prot warrior but wait and see how the PTR changes pan out if you're on the fence
If you're just looking for an excuse to come back, go for it
I haven't really had any issues getting into pugs as warrior, I think tanks are so rare people tend to care less
jade tartan
I'm already KSM and did it with prot pala, also considered "bad"
So, I was thinking more about preparing it for S2
jagged pier
u might have to get KSM on the char u want to upgrade gear on we dont know yet 🤷
lavish oracle
Well, the PTR changes are looking pretty positive, atm
jade tartan
u might have to get KSM on the char u want to upgrade gear on we dont know yet �...
Yea but for S2, KSM resets
lavish oracle
Still hoping they buff the class and not our borrowed power but w/e
jagged pier
yer but 9.0.5 isnt season 2
jade tartan
Aye I know I know :p
I believe we're looking at S2, around may? <.<
but most likely knowing it tomorrow
jagged pier
may or june probably yer
jade tartan
that's insanely long
jagged pier
not really
jagged pier
yer but nighthold came out like 6 months after launch of legion
jade tartan
That's pretty much the double :p
jagged pier
also u have to think a lot of guilds are being slower progress and such cause of the gear drop changes etc so would be nice for them to give a bit more time to them let them finish the tier
friday
blizzcon is friday
lavish oracle
Yeah but it's 4am so when people say tomorrow, I assume they mean, 'in the morning'
Ah
unique shale
I haven't really had any issues getting into pugs as warrior, I think tanks are ...
tell us how cause i have above 1.2k rio and i still get decline for same dung i done on 15 or another dung 
lavish oracle
I dunno, I just app to a few and then one of them says 'good enough and invites me
lavish oracle
The trick is to app to the ones that don't have stupid shit like 'big dicks only' or '+++' at the end 😛
US Horde
ionic fern
On EU alliance i also do not have any issues getting into groups.
👀
People just check your io score
unique shale
1213 score ain't enough ?
ionic fern
For some people no. 🤷
It's dumb..i know.
But if they are the group leader they can ask for w/e they want.
Easiest way would be to create your own groups.
There should be plenty of DPS'ers/Healers applying.
blissful thicket
tell us how cause i have above 1.2k rio and i still get decline for same dung i ...
you not a dh
lavish oracle
I like making my own groups because then I can just get classes that let me use my usual routes
unique shale
Easiest way would be to create your own groups.
i not very good at making group what should i pick ?
ionic fern
What do you mean? 👀
blissful thicket
i not very good at making group what should i pick ?
mages shamans druids hunters
jagged pier
high io score ppl u can get 👀
lavish oracle
I hate pugging into a mists that doesn't have a night fae or a way to skip the 3rd pack
bitter crest
I never apply to grps named "15+++", "fast" etc.
ionic fern
I just did a mists +18 yesterday and it was honestly the smoothest run i've ever had with full pugs.
😂
unique shale
mages shamans druids hunters
wise words
native coyote
I prefer the "chill" groups. they usually perform better than the '+++' 'fast' 'big dicks'
jagged pier
i tried to do a plague 15 yesterday and the healer just wouldnt heal me out of grevious
like sat there meleeing the mobs
lavish oracle
Pugs offer a wide range of experiences
jagged pier
while im slowly dying
then complains that im dying
out of comabt
when im at 4 stacks
bitter crest
The healer complaining the tank dying? That's funny.
jagged pier
i wanted to reeeeeee pretty hard
lavish oracle
Was it a disc priest?
jagged pier
paladin
lavish oracle
Oh, weird
jagged pier
dont worry he did 1.3k dps on a pack
unique shale
jagged pier
but didnt heal me
unique shale
lol
lavish oracle
That's not even a lot
unique shale
ionic fern
Jeah, 10-15 is a wild area.
bitter crest
Someone doesn't know the affix maybe...^^
jagged pier
maybe its the 4 stacks of grievous i have form the pack before
bitter crest
We had some issues with the affix as the stacks wouldn't go off above 90%, our healer had to nearly heal to full very often.
median tulip
Healers not knowing affixes is 😬
median tulip
Grievous does increase the value of having classes that can throw a few offheals to clear stacks
bitter crest
We tanks don't have to know what sanguine does. 😄
median tulip
Assuming ofc that said classes know the affix and use that part of their toolkit to help out
bitter crest
Our healer had no fun with Prideful + Grievous yesterday.
unique shale
median tulip
My GF went to do a +15 after I went to bed last night. I woke up to a rant in my discord PMs about healers not knowing affixes
burnt wharf
I'm too smoothbrain to realise what this is saying - does it mean we now can store a charge of SW?
dry spear
has to do with the leggo
Shield Wall alsogains 1 additional charge, and grants 50% of its effect to all party members.
Inventory Type: Chest, Finger
surreal birch
maybe its the 4 stacks of grievous i have form the pack before
mage food is the way for those
burnt wharf
ok, thanks
dry spear
np
worldly onyx
which covenant / conduit path it's the best for survivability for fortified m+ now with all slots unlocked? Is it draven - built for war? Or is another one highly more suggested? Oh sorry need to add, I'm Venthyr ^^
sweet summit
Draven is strong if you can keep the buffs. Im playing nadjia
worldly onyx
ok i guess i dont have lot of choice there cause my fury spec needs nadjia xD
sweet summit
Same but just change paths to the one you dont use as fury?
bitter crest
Wait. You can choose the same soulbind for different paths on different specs?
bitter crest
Ah ok.
worldly onyx
hmm unlucky, using one path for aoe and the other one for st, then I will just stick to my draven middle row for now
ionic fern
This is on a target dummy on PTR with new Reprisal legendary..6:53 long fight
With Bolster.
But without INtervene.
🙂
jagged pier
thats sexual
sweet summit
Hot
ionic fern
Mucho dumb.
torn gulch
no way that's going live
worldly onyx
torn gulch
right?
jagged pier
it might do 🤷
jagged pier
its not a new recipe right?
torn gulch
no
jagged pier
its just changed so u should have it
torn gulch
but i don't want to farm ash for it
when i said i build all my legos i meant all the ones i need
jagged pier
meh take like 15mins each week tbh
torn gulch
thunderlord wall signet
i don't like the current iteration fo thorghast
that's all there is to it
ionic fern
Oh, and someone asked before if the "20 Rage is ontop of the Charge rage or not.." ..yes, Charge generates 40 rage now with this Legendary.
😂
torn gulch
even if it goes live like that it will be nerfed after a week max of play
jagged pier
Oh, and someone asked before if the "20 Rage is ontop of the Charge rage or not....
stop i cant get more erect
torn gulch
this looks like the spell reflect lego on beta
lucid bough
looks good
torn gulch
that was broken and then it was nerfed into oblivion
smoky wave
Yeah no way it'll go live. They'll remove SB from it I reckon
median tulip
This is on a target dummy on PTR with new Reprisal legendary..6:53 long fight
That's tasty
median tulip
Oh, and someone asked before if the "20 Rage is ontop of the Charge rage or not....
There is no fucking way that will make live
sweet summit
Dont tell them, they'll never know 👀
smoky wave
That's physical defensive, magic defensive to ip's limits and more revenge.
If it makes it I'm going to get moaned at so much for inadvertently moving mobs out of aoe as I ping about the dungeon like a bouncy ball.
ionic fern
I'm too lazy to max anything.
So i got The Wall at 190..Thunderlords 225
Seismic/Signet/Repersal 190.
Wait, no i lied..The Wall is also at 225.
smoky wave
Its less the cap, more the rate of gain. About 1k a week means to get r4 you'll need 5 weeks of torghast? I'm Probs stockpiling then using everything over 5k for upgrades.
smoky wave
You're missing a r1 leaper
median tulip
i have wall/thunderlord/signet 235
Same
valid zodiac
Guys maybe they're reading the chat here so we have to act as if Reprisal is not that good.
valid zodiac
Was just joking 😄
torn gulch
they fired too much staff for them to have the manpower
smoky wave
It'll be entertaining watching people in here try to explain the play style if it hits to new players, that's for certain
And the "hey, our raid/m+ team just got a new prot and he won't stand still he's bouncing around loads, is he playing right?" / "our prot war stands still how do we help him"
sweet summit
What youre gonna do is shield block last stand charge intercept shield block leap charge shield block and tank for 5 minutes straight non stop
torn gulch
god....
median tulip
It'll be entertaining watching people in here try to explain the play style if i...
Newbie: What should I do in [situation]?
Veteran: Charge!
N: But...
V: ALL CHARGE ALL THE TIME
smoky wave
🤣
jagged pier
how this change basically means we only run out to run back in
languid juniper
buff pwar dammage 
jagged pier
^^
lucid bough
its the arms fantasy
worldly onyx
LOL
sweet summit
Friendship with stormbolt has ended. Now double time is my best friend.
jagged pier
actually fix the baseclass instead of giving us bored power :cat jam:
median tulip
how this change basically means we only run out to run back in
The best thing will be caster mobs. We will be able to carefully back away from them, and then CHARGE!
languid juniper
inb4 they give BoM baseline :pog:
lucid bough
Make prot great again
jagged pier
BOM baseline is necro changes tbh
median tulip
Friendship with stormbolt has ended. Now double time is my best friend.
Stormbolt still good. Is now button marked "stay there so I can CHARGE you"
languid juniper
from the chad kyrian to the buff bot necrolord
and we still do less dammage than baseline paladin
worldly onyx
Prot ST is so bad, Im doing more damage with my Brewmaster with way lower ilevel... 
jagged pier
worldly onyx
so frustrating
sweet summit
Have u tried condemning more
jagged pier
i mean just press revenge 🤷
worldly onyx
of course all the time!
languid juniper
you have rage for condem ?
jagged pier
u dont need to IP if boss is dead
median tulip
you have rage for condem ? <:weird:718676218500874320>
I will do if Reprisal goes live as it is on PTR
median tulip
40 rage a charge
And 20 from Intervene
median tulip
And 50 rage worth of free Shield Block and Revenge from each
smoky wave
Eurgh, I'm barely hitting 12s atm. 9.1 can wait a bit please.
jagged pier
u have a while mid tier patch aint even here yet
languid juniper
12s is easy with itf
jagged pier
and im gunna guess late march they have alot of tuning to do
orchid frigate
took a look at raider.io leaderboard for the first time in a while. is rshammy dethroned as meta healer now?
or is hpala only good in really good groups?
languid juniper
you skip pride in very high keys, so rsham pump isnt required
smoky wave
I think it's the damage they're taken for?
languid juniper
and pal provides big pp
ionic fern
Friendship with stormbolt has ended. Now double time is my best friend.
I've been running Double Time since SL started. 👀
wraith dagger
whats the point of changing cooldowns to one charge on the same recharge time? is the recharge affected by haste?
languid juniper
whats the point of changing cooldowns to one charge on the same recharge time? i...
the change is just related to the UW leggo
wraith dagger
oh right I see, thanks
misty thicket
What's the consensus on the usefulness of Fae vs Kyrian covenant abilities? Which is generally more ran/better piece of kit
dry spear
Theotar is a good option now with the last row? With the Token? Or Tea Time?
at i run draven with last stand
keen oasis
Imagine if that UW leggo makes it into the game and we will later get ability to wear two leggos.
The Wall + UW?
remote dawn
20% haste
sick sentinel
yo how good is that intervene leggo now? looks insane to me tbh
jagged pier
its not an intervene leggo anymore
keen oasis
It looks good but take care that rage generation may and will most likely be nerfed.
jagged pier
but its very likely to be nerffed its busted
median tulip
Definitely 20% haste. The defensive component of versatility is half the listed value, and you will get far more than 1% overall damage reduction from the increased rage and CDR of the additional haste @tired hawk
jagged pier
like gives sb all the time 40 rage on a charge and 20 on intervene and a free revenge and a free sb
'broken'
keen oasis
I'd rather take 2 charges of Shield Wall and 25% party wide dmg reduction.
median tulip
It's totally broken good. Nobody tell Blizz
jagged pier
I'd rather take 2 charges of Shield Wall and 25% party wide dmg reduction.
compared to blocking every melee no you wouldn't
tired hawk
@median tulip I see, the thing is I can have 20% haste with my enchants/gems vers, should I go all in haste ?
remote dawn
jolly thistle
They should add a 200% dmg buff for 4sec after charge/intervene to make it viable 
remote dawn
😛
keen oasis
compared to blocking every melee no you wouldn't
Thing is, I have feeling to pull it off all the time you'd need your party members to position for it, which can be annoying to ask.
Plus... Doesn't that make 100% uptime on shield block possible?
median tulip
<@!220649471804047360> I see, the thing is I can have 20% haste with my enchants...
There's a school of thought says that 20% is a sort of break point where Shield Block charges regen at a fast enough rate that Haste loses some value after then.
candid niche
Don’t really need to have people position for it, charge into pull > intervene to a ranged +shield block > charge
jagged pier
Thing is, I have feeling to pull it off all the time you'd need your party membe...
not really healers and range always in charge range leap out as well, and yes mwahi did 6.53 mins on a target dumby and had 96% uptime or somthing so on a boss or trash packs can have 100%
median tulip
Plus... Doesn't that make 100% uptime on shield block possible?
Scroll up a bit, there's an image of someone getting like 99% uptime without even using Intervene
jagged pier
Scroll up a bit, there's an image of someone getting like 99% uptime without eve...
95.66% to be acurate 😉
keen oasis
not really healers and range always in charge range leap out as well, and yes mw...
In M+ it will work. But such movement in raid? Eeeh.
jagged pier
i mean yes
charge to the boss when u need to taunt
then u have 2 charges
then it usually a swap
candid niche
Can intervene the tank your taunting off too right ?
jagged pier
the image is with bolster as well i believe
jagged pier
Can intervene the tank your taunting off too right ?
yep
tired hawk
@median tulip Ok, so I should never go above 20% ? Like when I'll change my crit/mast neck (ffs it's been so long I've this sh*t), I must consider changing one of my rings for more vers ?
median tulip
In raid when co-tanking you can run out to get the charge distance easier
jagged pier
and intervene the tank next to u
keen oasis
Can intervene the tank your taunting off too right ?
This can fuck you up in some fights.
jagged pier
which ones?
keen oasis
Try doing it in Sludgefist
jagged pier
well
u have to move out alot on sludge
with the roars and sotmps
and move away just before he becomes unstunned
sweet summit
<@!220649471804047360> Ok, so I should never go above 20% ? Like when I'll chang...
Over 20% haste? Totally. We love haste
median tulip
<@!220649471804047360> Ok, so I should never go above 20% ? Like when I'll chang...
I wouldn't say never, it's just not as important
keen oasis
Yeah, I am just pointing that you shouldn't always go for tank intervene.
jagged pier
and u also dont need 100% up time on sludge he casts for like 7 second straight
sweet summit
Idk where 20% came from
tired hawk
If tank sim could exist it would be great
sweet summit
Back in bfa we needed ~22% for a 3rd sb charge (with itf)
keen oasis
and u also dont need 100% up time on sludge he casts for like 7 second straight
Oh, nah. What I meant is that if it's 100% uptime or close, then it will be nerfed. I mean, come on.
tired hawk
haha
median tulip
works really well
The point is if you do that on Sludgefist you'll be taking all the damage simultaneously, because he hits both tanks at the same time
jagged pier
Oh, nah. What I meant is that if it's 100% uptime or close, then it will be nerf...
well with bolster it pretty much is
sweet summit
So naturally its higher in sl since a) itf got nerfed and b) you dont run itf in m+
keen oasis
That's what I mean. Blizz won't let that. No way.
This leggo is so out of space it's crazy.
jagged pier
The point is if you do that on Sludgefist you'll be taking all the damage simult...
yes but u dont nessercarily need to intervene on sludge as u dont need sb up all the time due to casts the charge back in after a stomp or raor pretty much covers you
gaunt dawn
yes but u dont nessercarily need to intervene on sludge as u dont need sb up all...
why wouldnt you intervene
you intervene your co-tank when you have wall up
its free external for em
keen oasis
The point is if you do that on Sludgefist you'll be taking all the damage simult...
Guess how I figured it out xD
That was a stupid wipe.
median tulip
That's what I mean. Blizz won't let that. No way.
You have a lot more faith in Blizz making balanced abilities than most people. Have you seen Convoke the Spirits?
jagged pier
why wouldnt you intervene
cause u get hit by giant fists as well and wasting that sb time as u have the wall up
tired hawk
@sweet summit as I said earlier I can be at 20% haste 12% vers with my vers rings enchants + 2 vers gems.
Should I go for even more haste and get haste gems/enchants ?
sweet summit
No u dont lol
median tulip
Guess how I figured it out xD
xD oops
keen oasis
You have a lot more faith in Blizz making balanced abilities than most people. H...
I mean, they hate people having fun and this leggo is crazy fun.
jagged pier
No u dont lol
what Nome keeps saying 🤷
sweet summit
Id just go for haste
gaunt dawn
just blorst out haste
sweet summit
You dont need any specific % of any stat
sweet summit
Exactly
gaunt dawn
saved you hours of back + forth
median tulip
I mean, they hate people having fun and this leggo is crazy fun.
I just want it to work for one week so I can get ksm done, ok?
tired hawk
ilvl > haste > vers ok
jagged pier
I just want it to work for one week so I can get ksm done, ok?
i mean u can do it now wiith any leggo u want 🤷
gaunt dawn
thinking a lego is going to help you
tired hawk
Thank you guys for answering my questions, have a nice day 🙂
jagged pier
like leggo has zero effect on KSM or not
sweet summit
You too mate
jagged pier
can be what ever cov and whatever leggo u want and do KSM
gaunt dawn
keen oasis
I have higher hopes for UW leggo to make it into the game than that Charge one.
jagged pier
i dont have scale
distant kestrel
what lego is best for m+ prot warr if Night Fae? and which souldbind/counduits ^^
sweet summit
The wall or thunderlord as lego
Our conduits are kinda bad, just make sure you have unnerving focus
As youre probably playing bolster as well
jagged pier
and stalwart if your running the wall
remote hawk
Got 2 scale trinkets in 2 days. Feelt bad lol
keen oasis
Though I must admit, I prefer that Charge leggo as it's more impactful than just lowering shield wall CD.
simple mural
We’re getting up there.
analog zinc
that reprisal buff
holy shit
i'm coming back to war
bis tank rest of shadowlands
keen oasis
Gonna get nerfed 100%
smoky wave
it'll get nerfed, and many tears will be shed and hopes crushed.
keen oasis
Yes.
strong forum
i mean FB hasnt been nerfed
analog zinc
i mean does this buff really make war the best tank?
strong forum
no it doesnt Marie
keen oasis
100% uptime
smoky wave
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't, but I think it's safer to assume it will be
analog zinc
100% uptime with flawless play what's the issue with that
keen oasis
Guess we will see.
keen oasis
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't, but I think it's safer to assume i...
But that. It's better to not give hope and be surprised.
analog zinc
how would they nerf it?
remove the shield block part?
change it to 50% of a shield block? change it to an IP instead?
dry spear
maybe just on charge
strong forum
even with just charge you can get 95% uptime
2.5min of block by just charging with doubletime and using SB
without bolster or intervene
dry spear
but, really, i dont think they nerf it. maybe they want us to have OP stuff
analog zinc
i don't think they'll nerf it either
dry spear
and you need to "play" with it. i like the idea. you put in stuff, you get much value. instead of just a button or c reduction
analog zinc
unless they really don't like tanks having 100% uptime
analog zinc
^
strong forum
we will still have the same weaknesses
analog zinc
that is?
strong forum
dots, magic
analog zinc
my war is still lvl 50
strong forum
environmental damage
anything that isnt blockable is still gonna be a massive issue
jagged pier
without bolster or intervene
mwahi's picture was with bolster
strong forum
now we can however do larger pulls more often
jagged pier
oh okay
strong forum
with that leggo
analog zinc
now all we need
jagged pier
^^
jolly thistle
analog zinc
is 90% avatar uptime
which gives us 70% crit block chance
then we'll be fair & balanced again
strong forum
want in on a secret?
jolly thistle
or let us block spells
jagged pier
fix the base class first 
strong forum
with 90% avatar uptime our dmg would only be on par with other tanks
jagged pier
then give us bored power
strong forum
jagged pier
yes
analog zinc
oof nty not playing war then
candid niche
can we get battlecry back ?
analog zinc
altho they buffed the fuck out of monk's bis defensive leggo
patent zodiac
I tank my guild's heroic raid, we do fine. But it's a chill guild and we're not looking to go mythic in this particular raid group either
strong forum
every tank does fine in raid
patent zodiac
So it's not like it's completely undoable
strong forum
on any level
analog zinc
with 1 exception
strong forum
no
analog zinc
non-dh + non-dh
strong forum
no exception
analog zinc
a few weeks ago 100% of denath kills were done with a DH tank
patent zodiac
Our other tank is a paladin
strong forum
yeah so, vdh is good yes
analog zinc
or maybe it wasn't 100%
patent zodiac
Prot & Prot, LLC
analog zinc
but there were exactly as many denath kills as there were Dhs that killed it
strong forum
thats not the point?
the point is every tank can perform well enough in mythic raiding
analog zinc
you said there were no exceptions
strong forum
yes
analog zinc
there's 1 exception lol
strong forum
no
analog zinc
mythic daddy denathrius
gaunt dawn
what of it?
analog zinc
basically requires a DH tank
gaunt dawn
no
bitter crest
no
analog zinc
a couple weeks ago there was 1 veng dh that killed sire for every sire kill
not sure if its still true
bitter crest
Part of vdh in raid is the havoc missing
gaunt dawn
WR22 was Paladin + Druid
uneven mason
Part of vdh in raid is the havoc missing
It's literally this
gaunt dawn
every kill btw
sweet summit
Pumps?
strong forum
has to be pumps
gaunt dawn
WR18 was Monk + Warrior
analog zinc
so for every kill that didn't have a DH there was a double DH kill
gaunt dawn
and?
uneven mason
Vdh is high dps, plus not using a zero sum dps melee
bitter crest
Metaslaves everywhere 😄
topaz ember
people blindly follow fotm
Marches new flavour strawberry blast!
jagged pier
prots actually the third most popular tank on sire just saying
strong forum
gateway most popular tank tbh
jagged pier
TRU
uneven mason
And, pumpers run vdh for kite meta so geared tanks were largely vdh, but. Mythic daddy doesn't require vdh
jagged pier
cause kiting meta
jagged pier
it was on the bliz forums
uneven mason
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
jagged pier
there was a picture of it some guy saying leapers got him KSM
along with pressing WW
was likely a troll
but it was a picture not a link so couldnt check and im too lazy to go find it
uneven mason
Leaper+ triple hunter for me new meta
strong forum
boutta do all 15s with judgment of the arbiter and say its the reason why i made it
cuz it shows up on dmg meter
wall doesnt show up on dmg meter = bad
jagged pier
same with seismic
uneven mason
Omg none of our legos do
gaunt dawn
still a bit curious
uneven mason
Rip
gaunt dawn
on how warrior is the exception on sire
when its one of the most popular picks
and used for world first
uneven mason
Early on we could sr his bs
strong forum
SR is illegal
jagged pier
well lets me fair aabout the most common picks
uneven mason
But war is big beef mitigation for those slappy hits of his
jagged pier
thats tanks that have killed sire
strong forum
on public logs
jagged pier
true
analog zinc
oo so the numbers have changed a lot
analog zinc
before it was like all other tanks equal the amount of DH tanks
now all other tanks are 30 higher than DH tanks
hold up
wow
pwars fucking suck dmg wise lol
jagged pier
yes
analog zinc
so my co-tank isn't just bad lol
strong forum
na id say 20% buff would be fair
valid zodiac
Buff the SS by 30% regardless if the SB is active or not
jagged pier
would make our aoe pretty busted 🤔
analog zinc
i mean if we're gonna have 100% sb uptime
jagged pier
the 20% buff that is
jagged pier
corruption 😴
i actually hate it ppl still think u need vers for keys
i got asked the other day
i was like 'the fuk???'
gaunt dawn
id ask for your vers
analog zinc
ppl think tanks are stacking vers??
gaunt dawn
just yours tho
analog zinc
i mean i do on my brew
jagged pier
just yours tho
strong forum
LF tank for weekly 14 30% vers min
jagged pier
^^
analog zinc
30% wtf is this pvp
strong forum
no this is called
analog zinc
my brew has 26% i think
strong forum
"being fucking stupid"
strong forum
shmells like pvp gear
jagged pier
225 16% vers
analog zinc
me too D:
jolly thistle
big rio or go home?
bitter crest
No, War is bad, only VDH is viable 6+!
strong forum
only 2.4kCR pet battle god 10k rio pet battle score
analog zinc
1360 rio god
i'm so skilled
221 ilvl god
legit rank 1 venthyr brewmaster on my server
& rank 2 nightbourne brewmaster on it
strong forum
rank 1 pwar in my house
bitter crest
I am rank 4 and we're only running 15/16.
gaunt dawn
strong forum
woooo people quitting the game left and right
strong forum
2 weeks ago we declined people for guild cuz roster was full, now we can just barely make 20 for raid
<.<
strong forum
shady business ✝️
gaunt dawn
halcyon used diff tank for rekill
thats it
all the other guilds are dirty private loggers
smoky wave
I'm finding it mildly entertaining I'm the 22nd prot war on my realm for r.io at a whopping 843, and I'm plebbing my way through 12s. There's still no prot war with ksm.
analog zinc
become rank 1
bitter crest
Nope, not enough vers!
strong forum
i knew it
smoky wave
Have you tried visiting the prot war discord? They might be able to give you some advice.
strong forum
technically floody should show up too...
jagged pier
my guilds not :phew:
gaunt dawn
mine isnt either \o/
dry spear
well lets me fair aabout the most common picks
0megalul.....
craggy pilot
anyone can show me a good Kleia Soulbind setup? One with Mentorship, and one with Ascendant Phial maybe?
craggy pilot
yea only with Mentorship, but i guess if i take Ascendant Phial, i just have no Potency Conduit? and what do i pick as 3rd Endurance Conduit then?
bitter crest
Only with Bearer's Pursuit which i would not pick.
craggy pilot
yea ok, so which 3rd Endurance Conduit?
but i guess Ascendant Phial is only usable for Necrotic Stacks
sand condor
how does one make a macro use a potion
bitter crest
You don't need ascendant phial to remove necrotic
sand condor
it refuses to "/use potion of spectral strength"
bitter crest
In my opinion necrotic this addon is not that hard it was expansions before. I rarely have to reset/kite.
sand condor
nbm works now
bitter crest
So yeah, the 8 secs may be nice, but they don't make up the loss
strong forum
is pretty good for big pulls
craggy pilot
ill just have it setup with Fueled by Violence, so i can switch if i need it
craggy pilot
thought Brutal and Stalwart were BIS if you have only 2 Endurance?
strong forum
no
unnerving is omega bis if you run bolster
if you dont run bolster, then unnerving is meh yes
thorny laurel
Do you guys know if the increased weapon tokens drop chance that went live this reset also includes shield tokens?
jagged pier
it should
strong forum
ofc
thorny laurel
alright good
jagged pier
but even tho they are up we only got 1 wep token in our reclear
strong forum
thats 1 more than we get
runic drum
Hey folks, is there a pin somewhere with thoughts on the new legendary changes coming up? Need to know if I should start working towards a new leggo
strong forum
wall is best all arounder still, reprisal can grant insane uptime on SB, seismic for big pad
aka, you want all 3
craggy pilot
Wall is not BIS for M+ is it?
strong forum
currently it is imo
echo egret
"pugging his arse off"
old monolith
gratz
echo egret
All that for a mount...
dry spear
unnerving, stalwart and brutal vit
so u wanna have all 3 if possible?
strong forum
no
old monolith
Starting my journey just breaking into 10 keys, its a rough out there
jagged pier
same
dry spear
right right
strong forum
for kleia id run 2e 1p 1f
craggy pilot
how much does Wall reduce CD of Shield Wall?
bitter crest
i run 2p 2e
What tree are you running?
strong forum
jagged pier
to 55 secs with am and about 1:30 with bolster
old monolith
I'm running Kleia this week
strong forum
why
dry spear
jagged pier
harrow punishment yikes
craggy pilot
1:30 rly? 😮 its at 4min normally right? and -30s from Conduit
dry spear
why not. i guess i am in the middle of stuff?
strong forum
1:30 rly? 😮 its at 4min normally right? and -30s from Conduit
1.5-2min with wall
jagged pier
your best potency as venthyr is show of force
dry spear
your best potency as venthyr is show of force
its in the middle
strong forum
followed by ashen jugg
dry spear
oh really? damn ok 😦
jagged pier
^^
dry spear
oki 😄
craggy pilot
damn now i wanna build wall :>
made Thunderlord because it swaps out perfectly with my Unhinged hands
runic drum
I love the wall, thinking of using it in M+ more often instead of Thunder
craggy pilot
which trinkets should i use as Prot tho?
i have:
Splintered Heart of Al'ar 213
Sinful Insignia 213
Gluttonous Spike 200
Phial of Putrefaction 223
strong forum
phial + insignia / spike
old monolith
Mentorship or Ascended Phial?
craggy pilot
why not the Heart?
craggy pilot
trying to do 14s, so far only tanked 12s
strong forum
yeah then dont play heart
craggy pilot
and people dont like seeing Prot Warr in their pugs
ill go Phial + Insignia then, since its higher ilvl than my spike
runic drum
I have a 197 Scale that I don't want to get rid of, are there any trinkets out there that I should be focusing on other than the one off Denathrius
strong forum
anima field emitter
jolly thistle
the one from SLG is good as well
dry spear
ah so draven or theotar...the token shield sounds quite good.
but draven on the other hand is very tanky
runic drum
I guess I'll keep hoping, my vault gave me a dps trinket again this week -_-, meathook
tardy kettle
Will the change to shield wall affect the legendary? Its changed from 4min cooldown (and thus affected by AM) to recharge
strong forum
it changes nothing
its just a tooltip change so it properly works with the added charge off of unbreaking will leggo
tardy kettle
Thank you @strong forum
runic drum
Is Unbreaking Will worth picking up now? Or stick with Wall?
runic drum
10-4
Ok, final dumb question before I gotta head back to work. Is Kleia a better Soulbind for M+ runs, or should I stick with Pelegos?
strong forum
stick with pelagos
runic drum
Will do, thanks for the help all and have a great day.
signal plover
Oooo seismic reverb memes 📈
astral crystal
imagine
one thing i hate about patches is how all the memers start experiencing violent mentally ill fits about legendary viability
midnight jetty
is a 207 heraldry better than most other trinkets?
strong forum
ye
midnight jetty
aight ty
signal plover
one thing i hate about patches is how all the memers start experiencing violent ...
Tbh my mental illness extends well beyond patch periods
astral crystal
not referring to you specifically btw lol
jade tartan
Will Necrolord be our BIS?
jagged pier
if you gunna use it to buff people maybe tbh we dont know without testing and tuning
eager phoenix
fleshcraft buff is looking good at least
40% hp shield and 30% dr during cast is pretty nuddy
jagged pier
'tuning'
ita all good getting excited about these changes, but none of this is live yet, remeber the days of a none capped TL and a mass SR leggo
cause i do
eager phoenix
yep
i feel the underlying issue with the banner is its clunky design if they hardstuck on trying to make it work like its designed right now: dropping it on yourself and affecting max 2 ppl. either they buff it and make it stupidly strong and you just make it work even though it feels clunky, which is bad. or its not strong enough so it remains unplayed, which is also bad. one button solution to gain the utility might not be elegant but at least its straight forward and intuitive. like, AA/Spear/codnemn are all straight forward to use. no need for banner to require 5d chess
dry spear
i think the big + for necro is the new flashcraft not even the banner.
but the banner itselfs give a fresh look at your class with the leggo then. intervene + banner on a boomie or DK get the block up and charge back in ?! sounds interesting. just another way to play.
smoky wave
I belive the banner is proximity based, so you'd have to stand next to them for them to get the buff
jolly thistle
Fleshcraft is still underwhelming for tanks
modern tundra
on PTR 30% defensive and a decent shield i don't see the problem :p
lofty thistle
subtle kayak
I really wish they would lower the amount and just make it party-wide like windfury totem
jolly thistle
sure it’s better than on live, but I’d take phial 24/7 over fleshcraft if only for the cleanse
modern tundra
then were talking personal preference
subtle kayak
coming in late but how is the Reprisal legendary rework looking to everyone?
jagged pier
📈
modern tundra
it looks decent to me but i don't really see the need for it or where it fits in, only the revenge & rage gain look strong but the extra SB isn't really needed
subtle kayak
it would allow 100% uptime, wouldn't it?
modern tundra
i already have 100% uptime when i want it so thats why i'm a bit confused
ionic fern
Lucky you. I don't.
subtle kayak
wow, really?
jolly thistle
It’s not that good and should definitely go live like this. /s
modern tundra
i can however see some stuff happening with the new UW leggo it's not super strong but it has potential in a raid scenario
subtle kayak
Maybe not necessary for raids but it looks to me like it would be strong in m+ for continuous pulling
modern tundra
with the scaling prot has, i'm probably playing seismic with the extra % were getting
eager phoenix
UW in raid scenario isnt needed when dk:s are strong as dps and you can stack that shit for AMZ. if you need more dmg reduction there are other classes that offer it
jolly thistle
You can go into a pack with SB,IP and insta revenge. Without pooling resources or CDs
eager phoenix
AMZ also raid buff, UW would be the warriors party anyways
modern tundra
AMZ is also magic dmg only
eager phoenix
like i said, other classes offer other sources to live through big dmg. and that affects the raid
UW is party local
commiting your lego choice to UW for mediocre raid utility? idk about that. if the 2x SW b2b is big then sure. otherwise TW remains solid choice
modern tundra
your right thats why i said in certain scenarios it can be used in raids it's not like you would run it as baseline
orchid frigate
did they change something recently for BDK?
eager phoenix
if this was legion and you could swap gear for bosses it would be nice swapping in UW for last boss PF to deal with infectious rain on high tyr keys. but like doing the full run with UW over TW/TL as a defensive choice? IDK. Reprisal looking more interesting then as an alterntive
deft prairie
Hello, noob tank question here : Should I keep my 203 chest with Mastery / Haste, or replace it with a 213 with Versa / crit ? Not sure at what ilvl difference dropping the haste for crit is useful
jolly thistle
take 213
subtle kayak
ilvl gives armor and stam
deft prairie
ok thanks !
subtle kayak
I think reprisal looks really good for m+ but I am not pushing high keys so IDK lol
heavy pendant
I will switch Necro, being the positive about future and believe in Warrior dude, recklessness
eager phoenix
Wait for the patch to actually hit live m8 ☝🏼
heavy pendant
Thats the wise choice
split wyvern
What do you guys think of the Reprisal lego rework?
jagged pier
📈
split wyvern
Indeed, it does look good. Im sure it will shine in M+
trail moth
Why is unbreakable will still garbage after the buff? If you have the conduit and 2 charges of shield wall then you could use shield wall every 1:45 roughly AND give the party 25% dmg reduction. The Wall legendary+conduit is like 1:30-2 min CD for Shield wall.
signal plover
Wall is a shitload of rage
amber herald
it splits usage so you'll be using it twice as much as well
and yeah the rage from wall
modern brook
Why is unbreakable will still garbage after the buff? If you have the conduit an...
because rallying cry exists
we dont need another raid cd
esp w/ inspiring presence conduit
signal plover
You don't want to be using SW as a raid CD anyway
eager phoenix
UW giving group SW is like PI. Feels dog to hold it for group inst of using it when you need it
signal plover
So imo that part is irrelevant
eager phoenix
and the rage
wanton condor
having slept on it, I really hope the reprisal leggo doesn't make it live like that mechanically
rugged rune
anyone got a good guide/website for good/best enchants/gems?
modern brook
So imo that part is irrelevant
theres another part now?
modern brook
anyone got a good guide/website for good/best enchants/gems?
icy
wanton condor
yes it's strong, but holy hell I do not want to have to be a crazy intervene/charge machine
signal plover
@modern brook patch version gives an extra charge of SW
eager phoenix
The Wall achieves shorter cd and gives more rage. Equipping UW you need to utilise the group aspect or its just worse even
The Wall also has more AM synergy
signal plover
Like nom said way earlier, UW would be an awesome 2nd legendary to go along with wall
trail moth
Yeah, saving it for a raid CD makes sense, would feel bad. I guess I would still have used it for myself haha. And then raid gets some benefit. But may go wasted when the rage from wall is better
eager phoenix
Only rrason you would consider UW is if b2b SW was absolutely critical
signal plover
But tbh I'd prolly run something like wall+new Reprisal
modern brook
did they confirm 2nd legendaries yet?
trail moth
Being an intervene machine wouldn't be fun tho, I agree
signal plover
seismic and signet <:yep:703420923625078804>
Oh ya bb
eager phoenix
@trail moth remember, UW shield wall for group is group only. not the whole raid
wet compass
I would really like them to rev off the gcd now that it's a spender
amber herald
There's obvious synergy between lots of the legendaries so it seems very likely
- they did it before
wet compass
would make the spec feel so much better
modern brook
lol what
jolly thistle
and UW doesn’t change the recharge rate. You’ll start with 2 charges but it’ll take 4min to gain the next
signal plover
Yeah it kind of works against itself
trail moth
How is that even 2 charges then?
signal plover
Because outside of the 30s conduit, you'd need to take AM to get CDR
modern brook
thats how literally every charge based ability in the game works
ionic fern
How is that even 2 charges then?
It's exactly like SB works. 🤔
trail moth
Right, you use one charge of it. And can use a second immediately if desired
Or can wait 2 mins and cast again
signal plover
But then 8mins to get both back
trail moth
Yeah, I would use one. Wait for half the CD time, then use the 2nd. While the first charge is half way cooled down
signal plover
Or u could use the wall and get basically the same useage
(plus a shitload of rage)
ocean yoke
they will have to pry the wall from my cold, shield walled hands
trail moth
Right, which was my original question. Seemed like it was better than the wall cause it's similar CDs, plus group benefit. But the rage and only applying to group and not raid helped me lean back towards Wall
jolly thistle
It’s in a weird position and probably will never see any use tbh
subtle kayak
Would Reprisal also be significantly more rage as well? 40 rage per charge and 20 for an intervene, plus not needing to use block on pull and a free revenge for immediate threat
uneven mason
if the charges refreshed simultaneous rather than consecutively
uneven mason
Would Reprisal also be significantly more rage as well? 40 rage per charge and ...
how often are you charging during tanking a boss?
its actually a lot of rage
and its giving you 2 extra charges of SB
jolly thistle
You’ll charge a lot if this goes live
subtle kayak
well, I am thinking about m+ but I guess more often with that legendary lol
jolly thistle
It’s +30sec SB uptime per min
uneven mason
mm
ocean bloom
I could see us running out and charging right before taunt swaps for free sb
Intervene and swap
Etc
subtle kayak
I would actually use intervene on CD for once lol
jolly thistle
You can do it on some Boss casts as well
wanton condor
it probably would not be a raid leggo, but you can charge decently well in m+
polar radish
Will we be able to drop bolster in m+?
astral crystal
Damn blizzard leaked their 9.1 info
amber herald
dropping bolster with reprisal is an interesting question but idk the answer
modern tundra
didn't they say sylvanas wouldn't be another garrosh ?
seems like shes the next end boss of the raid :p
devout pike
where did u see that
little ravine
wowhead , she's not the end of expansion end boss atleast
modern tundra
frontpage mmochamp has it aswell 🙂
echo egret
and guess who turned to the dark side...
little ravine
there should be a spoliers i guess, many disc users might not want to know yet
wanton condor
THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A JAILER
Anduin puts on the fetish gear
devout pike
THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A JAILER
*Anduin puts on the fetish gear*
ahahahhaah
silver trout
hot
split wyvern
I hope Arthas pulls a Illidan eating Guldan on Sylvannas and puts her into the runeblade from Maldraxxas
strong forum
dropping bolster with reprisal is an interesting question but idk the answer
Potentially yes
dark lark
THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A JAILER
*Anduin puts on the fetish gear*
Hold my ball gag
ionic fern
If you can make good use out of Reprisal the answer is jeah.
In m+ it's fairly easy to get a Charge off and i'm running DOuble Time regardless. 👀
potent anvil
Reprisal rise up 
ancient plaza
Im thinking of getting into warrior tanking, is the class pretty fun to play?