overall
#protection
patent osprey
sturdy trench
lol
strong forum
we dont get 2 charges on shieldwall
mossy peak
i don't see how a second charge would be better than the one we're using
a second charge would be good if you specifically needed to hit it twice in a row
which is
dubious
dark lark
I think I'd rather still use tW
amber herald
charge one that gives shield block might be ok with double time
mossy peak
necro prot on the rise eh
strong forum
double time doesnt affect intervene
amber herald
it's on charge? or did I read that wrong
digital hawk
you dont even need 2 walls do you?
digital hawk
theres other things that need fixing before getting 2 walls lol
amber herald
strong forum
now that changes things
lime urchin
😮
mossy peak
i think it's a strong contender for m+ at least
mossy peak
very nice to just immediately have shield block and gain threat reliably every single time
strong forum
didnt even see that
digital hawk
yeah the charge giving SB thats what I was saying lol
you can charge in and have SB
jumpstarts your mitigations
and you can just dps for a bit
strong forum
double time wont be good
however
that leggo will increase uptime a shitton
nvm then
lmao
digital hawk
true
wicked lantern
Does it consume a shield block charge tho?🤔
mossy peak
i seriously doubt it uses a charge
digital hawk
of SB
wicked lantern
It’ll literally be useless if it does
digital hawk
yeah there
wicked lantern
So surely they wouldn’t do that....I hope
mossy peak
this is clearly the "ok fine we're going to work on warriors a bit" patch notes
digital hawk
why make a leggo that is essentially a macro
mossy peak
so if they're actually paying attention to warrior, it won't work that way
digital hawk
IS IT TIME?!?!?
wicked lantern
RISE UP BOIS LETS GO
fierce juniper
so actually it give 100% on shield block?
young swift
Am I allowed to recruit for a guild in this channel?
mossy peak
now prot too can leap charge for justice
digital hawk
no
vestal moat
Still no prot baseline buffs.
sturdy trench
we dont need baseline buffs
strong forum
we do mix,
wicked lantern
I’m still gonna run Seismic cause damooge=life.
sturdy trench
we are already very tanky
strong forum
we need dmg
burnt stump
we need dmg
This
sturdy trench
if u spamm revenge
sturdy trench
u have dmg
strong forum
no
fierce juniper
so you can actually have 30s of SB at the start of fight?
fierce juniper
with this new legendary
digital hawk
MORE!
wicked lantern
Seismic bro!
sturdy trench
pika just told u he did 5k in a dos
digital hawk
dude that leggo on sludge
sturdy trench
anws
burnt stump
I parse 99's and my Damage is like 2.4k tops
wicked lantern
It’s getting hella buffed
young swift
<#244907029251096586>
thanks
strong forum
charge - sb - sb - sb - intervene - sb - sb - leap - charge- sb - sb - LS - sb sb sb
digital hawk
@sturdy trench with a meme build and meme leggo
strong forum
legit 100% uptime
sturdy trench
i mean reprisal
fierce juniper
i mean 2 charge+intervene+2SB is already 30s of SB
strong forum
you wont need double time
digital hawk
yeah, but its not gonna magically make us do prot pally or vengeance damage
strong forum
yup
we will still lack damage, but we will have 100% block uptime
if played correctly
mossy peak
the influx of rage from charging a lot and the extra blocks might mean more rage can be spent on revenges, not including the handful of free revenges
so there's a wee bit of damage there
fierce juniper
i mean you dont even need to play correctly
mossy peak
not enough to fix anything but it's a bit
fierce juniper
like you get 30s of SB from the start regardless
strong forum
you can already do that hugo
digital hawk
wait this leggo for sludge sounds crazy
strong forum
you can get close to 1min already
fierce juniper
i mean from start, which is 2 charge + 1 intervene + 2SB
without considering any cd in between
strong forum
you wanna use LS early, to get the CD rolling on it
haughty sleet
leaper for m council/rbgs
fierce juniper
and your SB and charge cd will be up during it
strong forum
charge LS sb sb sb sb
digital hawk
gotcha
torpid wolf
What trinkets would you use for M+?
Heart of Alar
Blood Spattered Scale
Stone Legion Heraldry (with one other person in group with it)
Barghast's Leash
Slimy Consumptive Organ
Assuming all are the same ilvl.
burnt stump
Heart of Alar
Blood Spattered Scale
potent anvil
Reprisal rise up 
timber lagoon
Low key hyped on that reprisal change
deep steppe
Looks like I need to go back to torghast to farm soul ash for reprisal
timber lagoon
Sounds way more interesting then TW or TL
strong forum
its less rage gen, but insane block uptime
deep steppe
i have 3.6k sitting around
What a life 
fierce juniper
scale + alar is typical choice
strong forum
only if you push omega keys
deep steppe
Is the stone legion trinket better than the spires anima haste trinket? Even if you’re the only one running it?
fierce juniper
so will the new legendary be bis in raid too
strong forum
no
coarse kestrel
maybe on sludgefist?
strong forum
na
mossy peak
the main thing about shield block vs shield wall for raid is you're nearly always tanking with someone else, so the loss of shield block uptime doesn't really matter
mossy peak
shield wall is better
strong forum
sludge is legit made for AM+Wall
coarse kestrel
really? wow
mossy peak
having perma shield block matters significantly in content where you are the only tank
strong forum
in raid you have a ton of externals, several healers, tank swaps
and alot less damage incoming
which plays well into SW
fierce juniper
but you can actually get more SB before tank swap
patent osprey
Im pretty sure... reprisal will get nerfed
no tank should have 100% uptime of mitigation
fierce juniper
true
patent osprey
thats kinda insane
strong forum
na we dont do enough damage
wicked lantern
YALL BUT THE SESMIC CHANGE. Am I the only one stoked for this?
strong forum
yes Kev
patent osprey
ill meme even more
fierce juniper
100% SB uptime means 35%+ DR right?
strong forum
more
fierce juniper
with critical block
chilly brook
100% uptime of shield block is better than bfa
I mean we had almost basically 100% effective uptime in BFA
potent anvil
@patent osprey Are you 31 renown yet 👀
strong forum
cuz crit blocks are still a thing
chilly brook
with critical block
Block is around 40ish depending on your shield ilvl
mossy peak
i wonder if with that legendary and charge/intervene-weaving haste falters and mastery stonks rise
fierce juniper
i mean you still have to count on the parry stuff that reduce the overall DR %
fierce juniper
it is like SB%*(1-parry chance)
sullen valve
Reprisal stonks going up?
strong forum
very
patent osprey
I'm so burnt on renown farm though lol @potent anvil
patent osprey
time to meme now though with first strike
strong forum
it is like SB%*(1-parry chance)
block amount depends on shield ilvl my guy
its not flat 35%
cosmic oasis
support cucks with 2 legos lets go dude
tawny snow
Does unbreakable will work on the whole raid?
cosmic oasis
party
mossy peak
party
fierce juniper
i mean yep i cant really state a exact %
so it is nearly a SW on you
with the new legendary
for mostly melee damage
wicked lantern
I need to bribe a dev to make seismic grant IP for % of damage done like the bear legendary.
fierce juniper
i rather they make the 50% casting SW when using IP
just tune down the %
or the 10% HP scaling
obtuse thicket
Am i the only one to think that the reworked legendaries MAY buff us in raid where we do not need help at all as of right now and do nothing for m+ where we suck like a prostitute short on cash?
obtuse thicket
How do they help us in m+? Sincerely maybe i misunderstood something
wicked lantern
As Nome said, I want more damooge
coarse kestrel
reprisal looks to give us crazy shield block uptime and rage gen., plus free revenge
wicked lantern
How do they help us in m+? Sincerely maybe i misunderstood something
The change to Reprisal
cinder storm
How would Seismic Reverberation help you in a raid setting? or how often are you going to move the boss so you can charge it again?
wicked lantern
How would Seismic Reverberation help you in a raid setting? or how often are you...
Reprisal ya mean. It doesn’t help in raid lol.
torpid wolf
What's changing??
sturdy trench
we are gona be gods
patent osprey
I Mean ur never fully tanking the boss solo in a raid setting unless it's like sludgefist but intervene works too so it's still huge
torpid wolf
When? 9.0.5?
obtuse thicket
Meh, it's nice for sure, but i do not think a buff linked on charge is what we needed tbh, happy to be wrong tho
last mason
Pink*
fierce juniper
time to save soul ash?
remote tusk
haha whirlwind go wee
strong forum
more like revenge
remote tusk
whirlwind in torghast
sturdy trench
no mention of fixing signet tho
fierce juniper
Execute causes the target to take 25%50% more damage from your next Mortal Strike, stacking up to 2 times.
sturdy trench
sadge
wicked lantern
Meh, it's nice for sure, but i do not think a buff linked on charge is what we n...
Reprisal and Sesmic changes buff us in M+. Shield wall change with two charges helps in raid?
mossy peak
all i want is for prot to get the fury execute/condemn
strong forum
same
twilit comet
same same same
last mason
But I feel like you still can’t really choose the dmg though, since u need the defensive in m+
mossy peak
it having arms execute just makes no sense and feels bad
last mason
So is it really fixed
coarse kestrel
well like wouldn't the wall still give better uptime for shield wall plus rage?
strong forum
in raid yes
lavish oracle
Hm, is new UW gonna be huge? Seems pretty good
mossy peak
the shield wall 2 charge thing doesn't really do anything
strong forum
i can see however running wall in some dungeons
mossy peak
it's party wide and 2 charges is dubious at best
grizzled forge
will unbreakable will be the play now or no?
strong forum
where you need SW more often
feral gale
in keys you get pummeled on the pull though, reprisal will flatten dmg intake by a lot so you can build threat before kite
strong forum
will unbreakable will be the play now or no?
no
obtuse thicket
Reprisal and Sesmic changes buff us in M+. Shield wall change with two charges h...
How does a leggo that you basically use once or twice per pull and does not fix and of the warr 's underlying probs can be considered a buff? Again, happy to be wrong
mossy peak
the wall gives more shield wall uptime overall
lavish oracle
Party wide 2 charges of 25% DR seems huge for some bosses on high keys
mossy peak
a second charge is basically good if you need to hit it twice in quick succession
potent anvil
Unbreakable will change feels like more of a pvp meme leggo imo than something used in pve.
nimble drift
what legendary do I make
nimble drift
aight
nimble drift
cuz it seems changes keep happening
lavish oracle
The Wall + UW
lavish oracle
Warrior becomes meta in high keys for sure with that duo
mossy peak
i'm not sure how the interaction with charges and AM works
wicked lantern
How does a leggo that you basically use once or twice per pull and does not fix ...
Reprisal in theory gives us mitigation and threat on pull. How’s that not help?
strong forum
its not only on pull
coarse kestrel
plus it wouldnt be hard to keep it going
strong forum
charge is 20sec CD
mossy peak
if the second charge doesn't get cd reduction while the first one is, then the wall + uw still wouldn't do anything
strong forum
intervene is on 30sec CD
nimble drift
tbh I already made a 190 seismic reverb, so im thinkin of just getting that to 235 in the meantime
obtuse thicket
Reprisal in theory gives us mitigation and threat on pull. How’s that not help?
Because warr's main problem are the fact that it deals no dmg, suffers magic dmg more than other tanks and has no cds to ve ready every pull like dh?
lavish oracle
@mossy peak a 25% party wide DR is huge for high keys
mossy peak
yeah reprisal is a game changer for m+
lavish oracle
Like literally absurd
mossy peak
at what cost though
cinder storm
If only we had more dmg adds would die faster and we wouldnt need extra mitigation, Sadge
strong forum
like i said before, in some dungeon Wall will still be better because you dont need overkill on block
for example SD
or plaguefall
DoS even
mossy peak
basically, it's thunderlord that gets rotated out with these changes
you're still using the wall where you normally would have
strong forum
it may sound hype at first, but we will still have the same struggles
i havent Really had issues with Block uptime, only with shit DPS or uncoordinated pulls
feral gale
yeah but being able to blanket shield block without into the fray haste is nice
potent anvil
Just use seismic reverb, more dmg = less time needed to tank 😎
wicked lantern
i havent *Really* had issues with Block uptime, only with shit DPS or uncoordina...
Yuuss
patent osprey
Just use seismic reverb, more dmg = less time needed to tank 😎
you are a man of culture des, I like it
potent anvil
Ofc, I always try to degen dmg as a tank lol
remote tusk
Unless there are 2 mobs bonking you down 😦
strong forum
however with Reprisal, you could argue playing AM
feral gale
ive heard of a meme build with seismic and best served cold
patent osprey
I've been running seismic exclusively for last 2.5 weeks haha
indigo pumice
So does are leggings prio change much with the changes
strong forum
for now, they dont
have to be play tested
Reprisal + AM could be a build
Seismic + Bolster could be
patent osprey
yeah it could
lilac sleet
Yeah I've been using seismic for a while now with best served cold, this change is bonkers lol
patent osprey
seismic bolster already is my build ^.^
wicked lantern
So can we start getting hyped for the buff to seismic now bois!?
strong forum
potentially yes
patent osprey
AM + The wall, what's the cd of sw
strong forum
1min
languid juniper
Hello im back to pwar
strong forum
that didnt take long
wicked lantern
ALL ABOARD THE SEISMIC DEEPS TRAIN
lilac sleet
Its really strong already, this will make prot wars pull ahead in dmg as M+ tanks
jolly thistle
does seismic rev give more SS resets as well?
strong forum
Its really strong already, this will make prot wars pull ahead in dmg as M+ tank...
its not that strong, its like a 5% dmg increase currently
turbid kestrel
pog panaa back 2 bizness
jolly thistle
it felt that way in beta. havent built it on live yet
hardy radish
what the heck are these leggo changes
strong forum
on beta Seismic was 100%
then they nerfed it to 40% for us
now they buff it to 75%
lilac sleet
i normally average around 2.6k with the wall lego and booming voice, with seismic and best served cld, I'm normally around 3.5k
opal escarp
Will a necro warrior with the group shield wall leggo not make every other tank obselete in raid? Shout, rally, banner and 2 x 25% dr raid cd
obtuse nexus
Wait panaa is back ?
turbid kestrel
yes
strong forum
Will a necro warrior with the group shield wall leggo not make every other tank ...
its a group CD
not a raid CD
obtuse nexus
any poggers in the chat
turbid kestrel
violet dome
Can someone explain the changes to Shield Wall to me? I'm not sure I understand what they mean by cooldown to charge
violet dome
To me, that means Shield Wall is going to have multiple charges instead of aa 1 time , 4 minute use
strong forum
nothing more
hardy radish
yeah just keep scrolling and see the changes to unbreakable will
sick sentinel
I'm gonna go prot warrior and heal
hardy radish
it's just a functional change to make it work with the legendary
indigo pumice
it gets a second charge
violet dome
Gotcha, ok
jolly thistle
now buff up single target dmg 
sick sentinel
I use first aid ill be good
violet dome
It didn't seem like they were all together. The legendary is under the initial change under a completely different heading so I was just confused
uneven mason
So a lego that gives sw 2 charges with 4min cd?
strong forum
yes
uneven mason
Useless much
strong forum
ye
strong forum
i normally average around 2.6k with the wall lego and booming voice, with seismi...
i do 4k with wall + booming voice
for example
youre just shifting your playstyle alot by playing seismic
uneven mason
Literally get almost 4 x walls with tw
strong forum
if you math it out and play normally, revenge is like 10-15% of your overall dmg, you increase that by 40% currently and you will get 4-6%
patent osprey
@potent anvil when are we grouping for double war memes
thorny wing
Guys, why you dont play Thunderlord in m+ and booming voice?
strong forum
everybody is playing booming voice
obtuse thicket
I must be more tired than I thought, can someone explain to me the hype for seismic?
strong forum
thunderlord is good
thorny wing
i dont know, i like it more than Wall leg tbh in M+
strong forum
yes so do i
thorny wing
i do 15-17 keys
patent osprey
Guys, why you dont play Thunderlord in m+ and booming voice?
cause that build is boring :(
median niche
is sanguine a buff or debuff
jagged bay
limit maxis going over the changes on warlock rn so if you wanna hear something about pwar from him
weak flower
I'm sorry is UW gonna be the go to legendary now in m+/raid?
hardy radish
if demo wasn't on the damn GCD I'd be so happy with booming voice
but I hate using the ability
arctic wasp
quick question : Shield Wall Reduces all damage you take by 40% for 8 sec.
Cooldown changed from 4 min cooldown to 4 min recharge
Charges changed from None to 1 Charges;
does this means now shield wall will have rchages ?? dont understand the change (is in the ptr changes)
sick sentinel
Here’s a dumb question but I’ll ask anyway. What is prot like in torgh? And what’s our best build like? Do we get something to help with sustain?
hardy radish
prot slaps in torghast
thorny wing
@arctic wasp read further, its for the legendary
nothing changes if you dont take the legendary
arctic wasp
<@!177972593893048320> read further, its for the legendary
got it !, yeah thanks, my bad
sick sentinel
What do you fish for coleo?
hardy radish
my best runs have the one that buffs execute/condemn and lets you use it at any %, the power that causes enemies to take 30% plus damage when affected by shouts (plus booming voice)
strong forum
execute, 3x shout, a couple IP + SW ones
hardy radish
what he said
extra avatar duration always nice
i do NOT like the signet anima power because bladestorming in torghast always seems like a bad idea and does less DPS than just executing
but you can always make a cancelaura macro if you want
strong forum
ye avoid that one
sick sentinel
So do we just sustain with that strike reset on kill?
strong forum
So do we just sustain with that strike reset on kill?
you sustain with victory rush and indomitable
more than enough
hardy radish
yeah with the +rage gen powers you'll be blasting through rage so fast
sick sentinel
Not familiar with Indomitable I’m arms main
potent anvil
<@95652243235143680> when are we grouping for double war memes
When I'm free of sire den jail
uneven mason
So do we just sustain with that strike reset on kill?
Literally take almost 0 dmg in torghast
sick sentinel
Yea I’ve been doing it as arms and it’s kinda hairy at layer 8
weak flower
Thoughts on unbreakable will change?
remote carbon
strong forum
Pmuch
But on 3 different CDs
That's the huge part
But I don't think we will need that much block, at all
wooden radish
@ionic fern hello is warrior fotm again
unkempt fox
Is there only 1 good necklace from halls or an I missing something
How come they made so little necks feelsbad
amber herald
at least these legendaries are sort of interesting, I might make one for fun now
right now they're bad and boring
eager phoenix
Idk, Dont like when they bake in shit like uw/unbreakable. Interesting getting additional shield blocks but it makes intervene awkward: hold it for mobility and miss out on a sb? Same with UW: I wanna press shield wall when I need it not when my team needs it.
amber herald
I never said they were good
eager phoenix
Sure there are many situations walling your team when you use it so it’s aight. But like, reprisal. Why not make the lego bump SB to 3x with a freebie on charge cus it makes sense.
tacit smelt
we talking about the ptr buffs to prot leggos cuz i dying to talk about them
hollow nebula
What is this PTR change to make Shield Wall 1 charge? Isn't 1 charge the same as being single use... with cd...
strong forum
highly likely
sacred quarry
yea - unbreakable will changes are pretty dope IMO. very fight specific, but in encounters like sludgefist with a few points of big predictable raid-wide damage it could be really useful
ancient pasture
gonna be pog in 9.2 when we get two leggos tho
sacred quarry
oh wut
strong forum
literally says party wide 😄
amber herald
high level prides are the only use I can think for it
strong forum
wont see use this patch
wanton condor
reprisal m+ seems nifty. Just rotate charge SB intervene SB charge SB and hope the pack is dead
strong forum
yes, but we will still die to unblockable damage
mighty valley
party-wide buffs are weird these days, since barely anything cares about party any more
strong forum
reprisal is huge in theory, but in practice its actually not as needed to have 100% block uptime
strong forum
we need more dmg output
and smth against dots and magic
vs blockable stuff we dont die
languid juniper
Especially if tou go necrolord buff bot
strong forum
if packs live too long, you can still kite, face tanking is usually prevented by abilities not by melees for us
vague jetty
Should just make spell reflect like mark of ursol
languid juniper
You litterally have 0 extra dmg
strong forum
ye
wanton condor
just baseline unstoppable force
languid juniper
This ^
vague jetty
just make revenge give us ignore pain
and buff revenge by 1000%
😛
Okay more like 100% but still
languid juniper
Nah just buff tc
languid juniper
Its too long of a cd for not much dmg
indigo pumice
two legendaries is confirmed or still speculative
surreal birch
we will see this friday if they say anything tho
surreal birch
But most speculations before were that we will get 3 legos based on chains on runcarver
surreal birch
what does this mean
read the rest below
neat dirge
1 charge?
surreal birch
they just change 1 lego to give you 2nd charge on SW
strong forum
Shit until we can wear 2
uncut epoch
But wouldn‘t two charges have a better uptime then „the wall“?
neat dirge
u get +1 use, but overall the wall will give you more use
strong forum
And more rage gain
neat dirge
^
wanton condor
baselining UF, even with no other TC buffs, adds rage gen and more TL CDR, both of which make you stronger against magic, either via Demoralizing Shout or Ignore Pain
pure sun
So is this a buff or nerf lol
strong forum
Neither
pure sun
Epic
strong forum
Nothing changes for now
We might play reprisal or seismic reverb in keys
Depending on need
pure sun
the wall still better no cap
indigo crypt
Buff clap damage
pure sun
Anyone who made demo shout leggo 🤡
strong forum
Will still prolly run wall most of the time
surreal birch
thunderlord is fine for m+
neat dirge
ok good to know
acoustic stratus
these new prot leggo buffs, is reprisal worth considering now
strong forum
I legit just said that
strong forum
I'm actually so pissed at how much I talked these past 4 hrs
neat dirge
lowkey sad no buffs
strong forum
neat dirge
KEKW
cinder storm
wyd you kept me entertained for the past few hours
potent fable
Fuck reverb
strong forum
Current playstyle is better
neat dirge
angry at what?
strong forum
Than bfa
neat dirge
no buffs?
acoustic stratus
whats this charge change to shield wall about
strong forum
This is why
acoustic stratus
which one is that
neat dirge
o7
strong forum
Pce
neat dirge
Peace
faint plaza
hows venth for tankin?
faint plaza
decent in M+?
potent anvil
I made thunderlords way back when, still 190, but still... 😞
acoustic stratus
reprisal looks good
neat dirge
I'm a bit sad we didn't get some dmg buffs
wanton condor
seismic reverb baby
amber herald
They're aware of problems tanks are having but haven't touched any classes really which is weird
oblique pike
so napkin math tells me reprisal gives me almost 95% uptime on sb if i can use charge and intervene on cd without bolster talented
amber herald
monk got same buffs as us, leggo buffs
neat dirge
Or maybe it was only legendarys aswell
amber herald
nothing directly to the class
neat dirge
Ah ok
dire kiln
is shatering throw any good on sun kings shield?
low kindle
yeah 100%
indigo crypt
Blizzard is laughing at us and all of our now defunct legendaries collecting dust in the bank
Pepehands
Buff clap
bleak badge
Unbreakable Will + The Wall is looking kinda good for a legendary combo, no?
Plus it would be an incredible utility spell as well
potent anvil
Sure, if 2 legendaries will be a thing, but too early to tell. We can speculate, because it was done in Legion, but who knows.
trim condor
What exactly means shield wall charges changed from 0 to 1? 😁😁
round willow
Its for the new leg change
astral crystal
a legendary got changed to provide an extra charge of SW
trim condor
Ah, I was hoping Its not connected to that
idle grove
So I just crafted my Thunderlord Legendary. I'm unsure whether to talent into Unstoppable Force + Anger Management, or stick with Bolster
karmic plinth
uf / am is a dead playstyle
idle grove
Previously I was doing Ravager + Bolster
karmic plinth
even with the synergy with thunderlord you're still better off running ravager / bolster
idle grove
Awesome, thanks. What Legendary do you use?
karmic plinth
the wall for raiding and tyrannical, thunderlord for fortified, have been using seismic reverb though
idle grove
Cool, thanks for the tip
bright salmon
When ur using the wall, are you running bolster or am?
maiden ravine
I'm ready for buff bot prot warriors in 9.0.5 D:
open monolith
Cooldown changed from 4 min cooldown to 4 min recharge
Charges changed from None to 1 Charges
Wtf does that even mean
open monolith
I don't see the legendary mentioned anywhere in the notes
coarse kestrel
i need to pug a healer and no one in guild is down, what's the lowest ilvl a healer can do a +8? Not trying to win any speed awards besides a chest here
sanguine depths btw
open monolith
+8, like.. 190
bright salmon
Its the change to unbreakable will
coarse kestrel
ty
jolly spindle
yo what leggo do u guys use in raid
surreal birch
the wall
fallow mortar
I really like the look of unbreakable will, but reprisal is looking great as well 👀
surreal birch
both are kinda useless atm
potent anvil
I think he's referring to the changed versions in the upcoming patch.
fallow mortar
^
jolly spindle
no i don't play prot i was jus wondering if the shieldwall thing would be good in raids
lapis topaz
For a kyrian prot warrior that wants to run Inspiring Presence, I imagine the best choice is to give up Piercing Verdict? Or should I switch to Kleia?
lavish oracle
What's your other potency?
lapis topaz
Oh, it's show of forc,e but I just realized I'd wanna give that up and keep piercing, esp since this is for raid
lavish oracle
Yeah, for sure
amber herald
shieldwall thing is party only
lavish oracle
It's still p. good, tbh, especially if the WF meta does actually end up being double prot war
amber herald
buff bitch build
lavish oracle
25% DR on half the raid like 4 times in a 6 minute fight is pretty big
chrome star
reprisal new best m+ legendary then?
amber herald
it'll be good idk about best
lavish oracle
Definitely best in raid
ocean yoke
leaper is obviously best because you can jump a lot
vague jetty
um what?
ocean yoke
3x jump= 3 more jumps than usual of course
amber herald
three is more than one
lavish oracle
200% increase to jumps
ocean yoke
exactly, thats a big number
wanton condor
Definitely best in raid
is SB uptime really the big issue in raid?
chrome star
can convert the extra rage to IP or dmg
lilac quail
Does prot like Queensguard's Vigil much at all?
wanton condor
can convert the extra rage to IP or dmg
compared to The Wall rage though?
chrome star
I don't know have to sim
wanton condor
main issue is getting charges off I'd think
kind of awkward
but it would be ~60 rage every 20s or so?
wanton condor
I'm including that
astral crystal
I don't see the legendary mentioned anywhere in the notes
look harder mane
wanton condor
basically 2x 17s charges + 30s intervene at 20 a pop
wanton condor
which yeah is likely optimal rage gen if you can get every charge off
not to mention saving you the IP/SB rage
wanton condor
exactly
defintely a good m+ leggo though
as you should never have a shortage of charge targets
main issue is not getting hit in the ass
astral crystal
i guess so but how often is that really going to be a practical legendary to use
always better to plant your ass in one place and blast
devout kindle
what the go-to missives on the wall, Haste/vers if we're reasonable or haste/crit if we're dirty parse chasers?
wanton condor
always better to plant your ass in one place and blast
figure you can probably circle kite decently to keep them in place, just intervene to a melee or close healer or something
astral crystal
i guess, just seems wildly impractical to me in 99% of situations
also loses value hard on bosses doesnt it
jaunty vector
barren socket
damn, when will we get to use 2 legos
slim current
Its not only the legendary that gives +1 charge? It says its always? They change the initial skill to 1 charge and if you take legendary you get another charge? Or is none and 1 charge the same fucking thing? Because 2 charges is the same as will legendary except the party buff
sweet surge
99% sure its just a tooltip change to facilitate the SW leggo change
so 1 charge as per usual, 2 charges with the reworked SW leggo
vapid lynx
so i have a question for yall, im an extremely new prot warrior gonna make it my tank for pretty much all SL... whats the main difference between NF and Kyrian? like they are both really good right? does it come down to preference on which one you wanna do?
sweet surge
the main difference is the Soulbinds and the covenant abilities
both are really good
For example, the Korayn Soulbdin w/ NF has a broken good ability, 15% phys DR after standign still for 5 sec
the fox is pretty good too, makes it much easier to kite
vapid lynx
huh i thought it was pretty bad to stand still.... i assumed its pretty much have to kite met
meta*
sweet surge
Wild Hunt Tactics is also pretty baller on pull w/ Korayn - 10% dmg incrnease
well, you're defo not making use of it all the time, but there are quite a few pulls where you can afford to stand still
you can't always be kiting
the kite meta doesn't imply constant kiting 🙂
esp since prot is so lousy w/ threat gen at range
vapid lynx
ah ok thanks was thinkign of swapping to NF mainly cause i hate kyrian plate 😄
sweet surge
well, I mean, if tmog is a priority for you, just go for whatever floats your boat I guess 😄
NF is defo a good choice for prot rn
vapid lynx
eh it is and it isn't if that makes sense, idk it was either kyrian or nf but i like thel ook of both their abilities was just wondering what the people who you know actually play prot thought 😄
thanks for your info it helps
sweet surge
frankly, these are tough questions to answer... very few people have actual exp w/ both covenants at similar +level and gear to compare fairly
so it mostly comes down to educated theorycrafting 😄
vapid lynx
true
NF ability knocks down then does liek a pulsing knock down if i read it correctly right?
sweet surge
it's not like Blizzard is letting us test them
yeah every 3sec it re-knocks briefly
think it's like 4 knocks in total
median tulip
Changes to Reprisal and Seismic Reverberation both look tasty
lavish oracle
Shit, reprisal buff is like more block uptime than bolster/AM was, right?
You net like 36 seconds of extra block uptime every 2 minutes vs ~30 from Bolster/AM?
median tulip
More, surely. You're getting 6s every 30s from Intervene alone, right?
median tulip
The fact that it makes Intervene into a Rage generator is huge
lavish oracle
Eh, you're dropping The Wall for it so you have to measure it against the rage gen from that
median tulip
Fair
lavish oracle
But getting anywhere near BFA block uptime is huge
wanton condor
honestly more of an m+ thing
median tulip
Over 2 minutes though, it's worth 200 rage and 60s of shield block?
wanton condor
where charges are easy
lavish oracle
How do you figure?
median tulip
If you use both charge and intervene on Cooldown
median tulip
"Charge and Intervene grant you Shield Block, Revenge!, and generate 20 Rage."
lavish oracle
If it's both there's no way it makes it to live like that
wanton condor
any given intervene is 20 rage + 30 rage from free SB + 20 rage from free revenge
median tulip
Shush, don't anyone tell blizz
But yeah, that's... A lot of free Rage
And 10 free Revenge! Buffs per 2 minutes is a lot of damage and tempting to buff further with BSC
wanton condor
like it looks to be more of an m+ thing as that's where you can charge more freely
lavish oracle
You can always leap+charge
Even on just intervene it's a huge mitigation uptime boost
median tulip
You can always Intervene out and charge back in
wanton condor
you'd waste a use there
in m+ you can just charge the backliner
just hope you don't get hit in the ass
pure sun
whoever designed the ad for 3rd phase of council is an asshole lmao
lavish oracle
Is just intervene my hpal buddy but whatever floats your boat
median tulip
Overall it's a fucking massive buff to Reprisal.
I mean, yes, you're dropping The Wall for it, but it's definitely worth it in multi-target.
lavish oracle
I think it's just worth in any situation you'd be worried about mitigation uptime
Lets you play AM at all times
median tulip
I can see a lot of Shockwave, step out, charge back moves becoming a warrior dance if it goes live like that.
lavish oracle
Except on raid fights with really precise tank positioning where tanks can't stack
median tulip
The Seismic Reverberation change is pretty good as well
last mason
Y’all got hella buffs
Your pink brothers still sadge in the corner
While u guys pop champagne lol
lavish oracle
If we could use 2 leggos reprisal + seismic would be pretty sick
Might even take BSC for huge damage
limpid pawn
what is seismic reverb?
lavish oracle
Revenge hits a second time for 75% strength on 3+ targets
last mason
That’s big
limpid pawn
is that a legendary?
lavish oracle
Yes
It's for DPS memes mostly atm
I'm thinking when we can equip 2
I honestly hope that reprisal buff makes it to live
I want to be OP again
median tulip
I'm quids in if it does. I can make Rank 4 feet.
last mason
Chris Harrison racist crisis, literally shaking rn
median tulip
If we could use 2 leggos reprisal + seismic would be pretty sick
Brokenly so, TBH. I can't actually see this version of Reprisal making it to live, although I'll be delighted if it does.
lavish oracle
I can see it making to live if only because Blizzard doesn't play warrior, lmao
Honestly, it'd be more than useable on charge or intervene individually
median tulip
Yeah
I mean, it's a maximum of 10 uses of the effect per 2 minutes, each use being equivalent to 70 Rage (20 generated, 30 saved on free Shield Block, 20 saved on free Revenge). So that's effectively up to 700 Rage.
In the same timeframe Ravager provides about 100?
wanton condor
"Intervene has a a 10s shorter CD and provides SB + IP" is more likely a final version I'd guess
(which is still a lot of free rage and mit!)
median tulip
That's still 420 Rage per 2 minutes, effectively
Actually no, if it's IP then... 540
wanton condor
yeah, but you'd have to use the mitigation to get the full use out of it. A defensive rage generator can be more efficient than one that just give rage
median tulip
I think they want Reprisal to have an offensive component
I could be wrong but that's the gist I get
last mason
i feel like the hitbox for the link between the spires first boss is enormous
lusty marsh
Found out the hard way that I can solo tank H shriek
undone lagoon
are the conduit recommendations on Wowheads Prot War guide still good?
lavish oracle
At a quick glance, most of the recommendations are fine but they over value Brutal Vitality, Unnerving and Stalwart are both better in my experience
unique shale
Another sad day in pugs trying to do 15
chilly brook
love to see it
lavish oracle
grats!
chilly brook
gracias
chilly brook
your group matters so much more than anything else tbh
unique shale
yup
valid zodiac
If they allow 2 leggos would wall + Unbreakable be to go for max defense?
valid zodiac
I don't see Reprisal going live this way.
spring quartz
Is the reprisal buff that big?
sharp sun
It’s discussed a bit further up the chat
spring quartz
Thank you!
sharp sun
Guess I best start running Torghast again :<
unique shale
well it is a lot of time until 9.1 so just relax on soul ash
chilly brook
I don't see Reprisal going live this way.
Tbh I don't see why it wouldn't
It requires a fair bit of gaming to play around
And it's also likely not even needed
next copper
Soul Ash is just 45~ minutes a week.
chilly brook
Less really
I could probably just speed run the the boss on each floor and be done in 25 minutes
tbh
next copper
That would make it 50 minutes. lol
chilly brook
I'm talking both wings
next copper
Same.
next copper
You like taking your time.
next copper
I only did that in TC.
I take it slow if I'm doing carries.
Cause people getting carried are always super undergeared.
sharp sun
I don’t know how my buddy and I always spend 30+ mins per wing 😂
Should probably speed run and not kill everything
chilly brook
If you enjoy it no point in speed running
I usually enjoy Torg
But haven't had the time
sharp sun
It’s a laugh sometimes with the animas
chilly brook
So just speed run rn
sharp sun
I had the holy trinity tank trio last with 180k hp 😅
Just ploughed through everything
Was hilarious
eager phoenix
Wonder why they felt raid GV should be 9/9 inst of 10/10 bosses for 3 loot? I guess it’s indirectly a buff to mythic raiding assuming 10th & last boss will always be that much harder. Wish they tuned down 10/10 dungeons for m+ GV also
next copper
As you get more gear you can skip the min/max/exploration for powers.
sharp sun
well it is a lot of time until 9.1 so just relax on soul ash
These changes are in 9.0.5 which is due supposedly mid March?
sharp sun
As you get more gear you can skip the min/max/exploration for powers.
Yeah think this is why we can probably speed our runs up a bit!
jade tartan
Any info on the raid shieldwall
Will it be party or like it was in t13
A global raid cd?
chilly brook
Wonder why they felt raid GV should be 9/9 inst of 10/10 bosses for 3 loot? I gu...
Because they tuned down the loot from raids meaning you're less likely to get an item anyways so you're probably going to be clearing every week for a while
chilly brook
Any info on the raid shieldwall
Well it exists now
And it's a party buff
Not raid
And its largely not worthwhile
jade tartan
If it would be raid it would be hugr
chilly brook
But it's not
chilly brook
And honestly the only way it would realistically see use is if you need it to cheese something
bitter crest
The legendaries for prot are quite meh. No diversity, no real options.
eager phoenix
they buffed loot to 4 drops per boss 20man. like 33% incr. i guess this is even more. im not arguing against buffing raid drops. i just feel the weekly req for m+ could be lesser. 10 dungeons per week is just too much.
chilly brook
The legendaries for prot are quite meh. No diversity, no real options.
Wdym you have 3 options rn
And 4 soon enough
bitter crest
3?
chilly brook
The Wall/TL/Seismic
Seismic is just full on pump at the expense of your survival though
bitter crest
Is anybody really using this legy?
half epoch
the new Unbreakable will in M+ is gonna be really good
chilly brook
Several people have, it's just a pumping legendary for you in more trivial content
chilly brook
the new Unbreakable will in M+ is gonna be really good
Big doubt it functions the same exact way on live
The only difference is it doesnt give you an extra charge
smoky wave
Ooph. What's the best plan then, finish off r4 tl (got r4 will) then save for the patch I guess?
torpid cliff
Its essentially 2x the uptime on shieldwall
chilly brook
And 50% of your shield wall is only a 20% dr
chilly brook
Its essentially 2x the uptime on shieldwall
No because it's a 4m CD with that legendary
You get far more uptime running the wall
Considering you can actually over double your casts
torpid cliff
No because it's a 4m CD with that legendary
Compared to not running the wall obv
chilly brook
Even then that's still a nope
torpid cliff
The party buff seems really good in places with high party damage
half epoch
It may give enought uptime to cds to run AM without dying
torpid cliff
Not worth giving up the new reprisal though
chilly brook
It may give enought uptime to cds to run AM without dying
It wouldn't not even close
You get far more uptime running the wall
And you still don't run AM with that
torpid cliff
New reprisal would allow running AM instead of bolstering, wouldnt it?
chilly brook
Unbreakable Will just likely won't be the play outside of very specific circumstances
chilly brook
New reprisal would allow running AM instead of bolstering, wouldnt it?
That might be possible, hard to tell without actually messing with it
But new reprisal for sure is good
valid zodiac
Would we still craft reprisal on boots since boots were recommended for TL or place reprisal on legs
chilly brook
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
chilly brook
Barely
half epoch
Yeah reprisal + double time sounds gud
valid zodiac
I'd never give stormbolt for 2x charge in m+
chilly brook
And iirc the recommendation on what to craft was based on what had good itemization
And one of the slots has terribly itemized armor from the raid
median tulip
Is the reprisal buff that big?
As it stands on PTR it's huge. To the tune of effectively being 700 Rage per 2 minutes kinda huge. I can't see it going live like that TBH
chilly brook
As it stands on PTR it's huge. To the tune of effectively being 700 Rage per 2 m...
I mean the rage number is kinda irrelevant tbh
Even if it only gave you shield block
Itd still be huge
The other stuff is just nice
ionic fern
Can they just fix the underlying class problems instead of buffing us with borrowed powers again, thanks.
chilly brook
I could see possibly an icd being placed on it but at the same token you're talking a lot of gaming to get the full mileage out of it
chilly brook
Can they just fix the underlying class problems instead of buffing us with borro...
So much this
smoky wave
So with the reprisal you're trying to charge/intervene as much as possible? I can see that being either really fun or really really frustrating.
median tulip
The Rage number is just a way of expressing the value. Per 2 minutes you can have 6 Charge uses and 4 Intervenes, each giving 20 Rage, Shield Block and Revenge!. That's just massive.
median tulip
Can they just fix the underlying class problems instead of buffing us with borro...
Oh entirely agreed, but we are where we are
chilly brook
On one hand
I can see them slapping it because "degenerate" gameplay
On the other they have talents like momentum in the game
young glen
UW looks like it's gonna be valuable to push into the 22/23 range
median tulip
So with the reprisal you're trying to charge/intervene as much as possible? I ca...
If it goes to live as is, then yes. Because if you can use both Charge and Intervene on Cooldown then not only do you gain an average of 50% shield block uptime for free, but you also get a bucket of damage, and (assuming that you are using that conduit) buffed Thunderclap.
And some extra Rage on top
And because Bolster will be kinda irrelevant you can have AM for more Avatar uptime
chilly brook
UW looks like it's gonna be valuable to push into the 22/23 range
How exactly?
The problem with attaching a party wide defensive at half strength of your 40% dr is that you are often using your defensive when your group wouldn't otherwise benefit
Because you need it
median tulip
Good for Prides
chilly brook
Assuming you had it for the pride
And in 22/23 you're likely skipping prides anyways
bitter crest
The problem with attaching a party wide defensive at half strength of your 40% d...
It's 50% at lvl 58. 😛
chilly brook
If parties needed the defensive value they'd be taking more defensive healers
I.e. priests
But the meta for high keys is shifting to pallys
Because damage
chilly brook
It's 50% at lvl 58. 😛
Doesnt really matter what the DR is because it's still only half of that for your party
bitter crest
Maybe later in the expansion we get a 2-legendary-set. With Wall and Will it could be nice.
Legion style
chilly brook
Maybe but it's still the same problem
Your wall timing doesnt always lineup with group damage
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
bitter crest
Yeah sure.
chilly brook
I'm sure there will be applications at some point in this expansion for it
lavish oracle
I think new Reprisal makes AM 100% the pick
(if it makes it to live the way it is)
Like, you're easily getting 100% shield block uptime if you're using intervene and charge on CD
median tulip
(if it makes it to live the way it is)
Yep, definitely
I'd also put Rumbling Earth and the Shockwave Cooldown reduction conduit into the mix; Shockwave will be a play for lining up quick countercharges
smoky wave
going to be interesting explaining the playstyle to new prot warriors, but potentially really rewarding if done correctly
lavish oracle
I mean, you can probably do it fine with bounding stride/stormbolts/shockwave
no need to give up Inspiring Presence
It's like momentum but defensive
I also think there's a near 0 chance this makes it to live
median tulip
I also think there's a near 0 chance this makes it to live
I suspect that you are right, but this is Blizz we're talking about. Maybe it's just our turn to be imba for a while?
lavish oracle
To be fair, our turn was like all of last expansion 😄
chilly brook
Well like I said
On one hand
I can see them slapping this
On the other, they've left momentum in the game
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
lavish oracle
If they wanted it to be in line with our other legendaries, it'd be like charge and intervene reduce the CD of shield block by 2 seconds
jagged pier
lets be fair tho, lets fix the base class instead of giving us borrowed power again
lavish oracle
even that's probably more powerful than our other legendaries, lol
jagged pier
like give us some more damage
distant crystal
consuming souls is still removing grievous stacks, stranger things have happened kek
valid zodiac
Regardless of leggo we still need to push them to buff our dps
lavish oracle
I don't even know that they do, haha
our damage is like directly linked to our survivability
jagged pier
will be even more so with that new lego
vague surge
They'll nerf it to the ground day before patch goes live...
lavish oracle
Yeah, that's gotta happen
rigid elm
Gotta run (write) a quick python script to confirm, but in addition to the 100% SB uptime, reprisal must result in more rage per minute than Thunder Lord
jagged pier
i dunno as youll have people who just wont get how to play it
rigid elm
Maybe I shouldn't do any math so Blizz doesn't realize it
lavish oracle
This honestly has convinced me that literally no one at Blizz has ever played prot warrior
chilly brook
Gotta run (write) a quick python script to confirm, but in addition to the 100% ...
Not really because it doesnt actually generate any extra rage for you
alpine bronze
Which one legendary did you guys play in M+?? the wall or thunderlord? (sorry for the off topic quest)
chilly brook
You could say its equivalent to x amount of rage because of what it casts
rigid elm
This honestly has convinced me that literally no one at Blizz has ever played pr...
No no no. They played classic so they're sure prot is OP and needs a nerf
chilly brook
But eh
lavish oracle
I run The Wall @alpine bronze
chilly brook
Which one legendary did you guys play in M+?? the wall or thunderlord? (sorry fo...
I run wall
rigid elm
Not really because it doesnt actually generate any extra rage for you
Free shield block could be looked at as +30 rage
alpine bronze
ok thank you so much 😄
median tulip
Gotta run (write) a quick python script to confirm, but in addition to the 100% ...
It's 100 actual Rage per minute, and the Shield Block and Revenge procs amount to another 250 saved.