So lets say we switch to Necro next patch, all followers will be level one? -.-
#protection
sweet kayak
strong forum
yup
sweet kayak
😩
mortal ruin
still prefer the belt
midnight jetty
okay
mortal ruin
dont think so
solar spear
i think it can be just to survive the magic damage, alot of the top raider.io guys are, but i think its close between vers and haste
lofty widget
haste all the way
mortal ruin
haste prefered
solar spear
5/6 of the top score tanks on r.io have vers enchants and gems so im not sure thats right going into very high keys
lofty widget
im running 20s with full haste, so it is definitely not needed
astral crystal
tbh you shouldn't take everything you see on the leaderboards as gospel
you dont know what the players are doing in terms of comp or strat anyway
and most anything works if you're good enough/your team has enough synergy anyway
median tulip
If you get a weapon or shield token you don't want, can you trade them with other raid members?
strong forum
if you have a shield or weapon of equal ilvl already, yes
it works just like regular gear
astral crystal
god i hope slg gives me a fat 233 token
median tulip
Thanks
Just been writing out my "which loot spec for which boss" list for the week, and with the Vault having given me a nice Shield I can be passing those on now
final axle
I can't figure this out, everyone says take the 16 ilvl downgrade instead of the 16 ilvl upgrade?
19 ilvl upgrade
19 ilvl upgrade plus socket.. versus 16 ilvl downgrade, and everyone is saying take the downgrade? Why though
jagged pier
because necks and rings have no main stat so u can sacrfice ilvl to get preferable stats
thats being said the case above is a bit wrong
sockets add ilvl to a piece
and u generally replace necks or ring if they are 10 ilvls higher
as more stats > less better stats
remote dawn
😋
final axle
Ah, I get it then.. still yea, Feels like that guy got screwed over listening to everyone. He basically just lost mainstat for like not that great of a trade off
astral crystal
god dayum
jagged pier
Ah, I get it then.. still yea, Feels like that guy got screwed over listening to...
he didnt loose main stat it was a neck they have no main stat
final axle
He downgraded belt though
midnight jetty
Belt was 226, my current one was 210
I would of lost a lot of haste if I took the neck
I’m sure crit is a better stat than mastery too
It’s Aight though. My guild is deciding to extend raids now since we’re 6/10 and I still have no tanking trinkets. Running with the device at 210 and shriekwings trinket
Feelsgoodman
final axle
Ah ok, I misread it
midnight jetty
My only upgrades will come from dungeons so
Hopefully I get a neck next time haha
frail oar
hi guys, what would be the best combination between a 184 scale, a 213 glutonous spike, a 210 organ and a 220 viscera (from a defensive point of view)
i'm kinda lost between all the trinkets in SL 😦
slim pier
How does signet work for prot
sweet summit
You proc bs or reck when you use avatar 
sweet summit
Yes
slim pier
Skiperino\
lofty widget
hi guys, what would be the best combination between a 184 scale, a 213 glutonous...
i would use scale and spike/viscera
frail oar
@lofty widget ok thanks, I wasn't sure if scale was still worth with thos huge ilvl differencies
polar radish
Do you guys run menace this week?
remote hawk
polar radish
In case a mob gets stuck in sanguine
bitter crest
No, if it got stuck you did something wrong before.
smoky wave
Sanguine week is the only time I miss being a dk. Esp with slappy hands now.
astral crystal
In case a mob gets stuck in sanguine
dps mechanic
modern brook
Doesnt menace change the fear to an incap or something?p Sure mobs dont move
jagged pier
nah its a knockback to all but main target
so have to be carfeul how u use it
foundit quite good in necro week with the conduit
if u aim them correctly
upbeat valve
What does BS stand for?
Other than bullshit
jagged pier
bladestorm
upbeat valve
Ah
So is single target really just auto attacking-> shield bash->Thunder Clap-> free revenge -> repeat until execute?
Well I guess mitigations are thrown in too. But for damaging I mean
bitter crest
I am using Revenge too if a) ragecap is near or b) ip isn't needed
upbeat valve
Ya that's what I was thinking
bitter crest
Thunder Clap is pretty weak atm.
upbeat valve
No reason to keep rage capped
jagged pier
you dont only revenge when its free
its our main ST and aoe damage now
so if u have rage u dont need for SB or IP
u use it
bitter crest
In m+ usually i use revenge over IP - the other way around only if i know there will be big dmg inc
Shield block should be in your ranking top priority before shield slam
Mechanics aside
upbeat valve
Oh right I forgot about shield block
modern brook
yikes
upbeat valve
Yikes what?
I havnt not been using shield block. Just forgot to put it in the list I posted a few minutes ago.
modern brook
Hey wait how am i the one being bullied
median tulip
So is single target really just auto attacking-> shield bash->Thunder Clap-> fre...
Devastate (if you haven't talented Devastator), Ravager and Demoralising Shout
signal plover
I get the sense he's fine for CDs lads, was just talking about the main 4 buttons
But just in case
signal plover
So is single target really just auto attacking-> shield bash->Thunder Clap-> fre...
Make sure you're buffed with Battle Shout
median tulip
🤣
median tulip
Personally I have a Weakaura that puts a MASSIVE Battle Shout icon right in the middle of my screen when I don't have the buff. Works like a charm.
signal plover
Mine is giant pink letters yeh
upbeat valve
Ya I have that for poisons on my rogue. Definitely need to get that
I have one for execute right now too haha
Not as big but big enough
signal plover
The way I use execute (recklessly) always makes me wish for the fury version
But alas
Blizz says nay
median tulip
I think mine is a 128*128 icon, with a glow effect
signal plover
For execute?
median tulip
God I wish we had the rage builder version
median tulip
For execute?
Nah, battle shout
signal plover
Coward
median tulip
I don't need a Weakaura to tell me I need to use Condemn lol
signal plover
median tulip
What I really want is for Venthyr Protection Warrior to get the ability to use free Revenge procs for free Condemn instead
Condemn's suppression mechanic is actually something that I would like to see Protection Warrior get a lot more of. If Revenge did that we could make much more serious offensive builds.
modern brook
Condemn's suppression mechanic is actually something that I would like to see Pr...
we got a lot of shitty ideas in class discords but this is one that i can actually get behind. Sudden death as a talent over punish would be a great addition to our ST imo
median tulip
I like Punish TBH. Replace War Machine if you want though, I DGAF about that.
modern brook
nah war machine has an important role
jagged pier
SD was asked and talked about in beta alone with having furys execute instead of arms execute
same with WW as well
would fix a lot of issues for us tbh
modern brook
bro Fury's execute would be so good for us 😦
median tulip
But anyway, if Revenge did the Condemn suppression effect, either natively or as part of the Best Served Cold talent, then you could make an offensive build based around it.
modern brook
we'd finally get 1 good conduit
signal plover
Playing around with Pika's meme build last week made me think that BSC may be the direction that blizz looks at for fixing our damage.
subtle island
Anyone swapped from ven to kyrian?
median tulip
Playing around with Pika's meme build last week made me think that BSC may be th...
Which build is this?
subtle island
Condemn as an opener feels really nice just wondering what the switch feels like from anyone whos done it
jagged pier
ah yes fix our damage but we loose a lot of defensive value compared to other tanks that have both baseline
signal plover
BSC+seismic reverb+show of force
signal plover
ah yes fix our damage but we loose a lot of defensive value compared to other ta...
Yeah, not rly a fan of it just made me think there was def potential there
I just want some ST dam back. I like the current build
median tulip
That's why I want the suppression effect on Revenge; gives some defensive benefit to the offense
modern brook
honestly
I would just much prefer our damage to be fatter
we remain the only tank that has to choose between defense and offense
thats fine
make the choice meaningful imo
I guess bears technically do as if maul is anything close to thrash but
you get the idea
median tulip
Given that we're basically the only tank without significant self healing, I don't think we should have to make that choice TBH
upbeat valve
Thankfully I have a good healer to keep me topped off
median tulip
Don't get me started on those fucking laughably shit conduits for Victory Rush and Derp Wounds
upbeat valve
Cus ya, I'm new to prot and the lack of healing seems like it could get rough sometimes
I can't say I'm a fan of the victory rush mechanic.
signal plover
I mean, there's always a healer in the group ;)
Self healing just isn't ever going to be our game
median tulip
Yeah, but the modern wow healer class spends more time doing DPS than healing
modern brook
I can't say I'm a fan of the victory rush mechanic.
big fan of it when it worked on explosives
but we're the wrong war so we're not allowed to have that
upbeat valve
Not sure what that is. I'll look it up
modern brook
the M+ affix?
median tulip
Yes
modern brook
VR used to work and ~one shot Explosives
signal plover
Used to proc victory rush
upbeat valve
Oh!
modern brook
with a shield
upbeat valve
Damn now that sounds nice
signal plover
Made us effectively OP lol
modern brook
literally could do 1/0/4 runs at 15+ no problema ssuming ur dps werent stupid af
median tulip
They don't even reset IV now
modern brook
hoenstly it was kinda busted
signal plover
"kinda"
upbeat valve
Lol
modern brook
especially in 👢 🍵👏 era
coarse kestrel
foot soup clap era
silver trout
lol
it def feels like our tool kit is incomplete given our lack of damage, self healing and dependence on support
ionic fern
It's not the kit - it's the numbers.
silver trout
i suppose
silver trout
bringing any one of those up would help fill it out at least
placid oar
Hopefully blizz improve the numbers come next patch.
dull zodiac
i need some help with my vault this week
im a bit lost
what to pick
150 haste/61 mastery neck, 60 vers 42 mastery +40 avoidance belt
got 200 vers hste neck atm
and 207 crit vers belt
gloves are haste vers but i got 223 haste crit gloves alrdy
any help greatly appreciated, thx
mellow patio
Belt
mellow patio
Yeah not good
coarse perch
Hi all. I'm thinking of leveling a tank and was wondering how prot is doing in raids and m+
ebon hound
modern brook
one would say viable
lofty widget
some might even say fun
coarse kestrel
Prot good
coarse perch
Prot good?
signal plover
We need to stop over complicating explanations
coarse perch
Me like
coarse kestrel
DPS not as high as some others, survivability is great, lacks some of the extra utility that some others bring in M+ (like paralyze/banish/cyclone/ring of peace)
coarse perch
DPS not as high as some others, survivability is great, lacks some of the extra ...
Can't have everything, right?
coarse kestrel
True true. I leveled all the tanks up and stuck with prot cause I just liked it better, and at the end of the day I'll spend more time improving with the tank playstyle I enjoy. Also the yells. I like the yells.
smoky wave
I want a shouty healing spec
coarse kestrel
raidwide cooldown is just you channeling a yell for 8 seconds
smoky wave
That'll do. "chew them out"
uneven mason
works in D&D, Marshal healer is one of my favorite playstyles.
So over the weekend I tanked normal CN on a 171 BDK. Its interesting how being more squishy makes death strike feel better.
Only major issue I ran into was Sludge below 30% and holding aggro vs my paladin co tank.
coarse kestrel
does aggro on sludge matter? (heroic) thought he just giant fists the same dmg
jagged pier
does the same damage but giant fists dont count as a melee
so for us we should main tank as we get rage
coarse kestrel
but not for rage gen
jagged pier
but its odd sort of it is but it doesnt give u rage
uneven mason
so for us we should main tank as we get rage
Uh, you don't get rage from damage taken?
I Mean I main tank sludge anyway
strong forum
You get 3 rage from melee attacks hitting you
jagged pier
u do u get rage per mellee
uneven mason
I 100% missed when that was put in then.
jagged pier
long time ago used to give more on how hard u got hit but now its just the same amount
uneven mason
TIL
jagged pier
its been in th egame forever
uneven mason
yeah, I remember well the age of rage from damage taken
uneven mason
Ah ok the iCD
I think I remember that now
I just remember it being an issue back in BFA beta, one of our major issue is that we didn't scale with pull size.
chilly brook
I just remember it being an issue back in BFA beta, one of our major issue is th...
Yea cuz they cucked our rage gen going from Legion to BFA
And they couldn't decide what they wanted to do with us
stark sage
legion prot 😢
chilly brook
legion prot 😢
Bring back Legion warrior period please
uneven mason
Then they slapped something together towards the end of beta and it worked out
remember the first version of bolster
"Ironfur but worse"
uneven mason
4p 20 2p 21 meme warrior what
uneven mason
IP and SS were mousewheel down
stark sage
antorus was the first patch that i really got to tank regularly
it was a good time
uneven mason
I made my guild farm Tomb for the Titanforged mythic bits for my tier set
so I could be infinite rage warrior
stark sage
yeah tomb set was epic
uneven mason
"SS has no CD during battlecry"
stark sage
it was 4+2 for the goku build right
final axle
Hate high cpm style classes. Fury warrior is already more than I can take. Bad hangover still lasting from playing shadow in emerald nightmare
chilly brook
High cpm is great
uneven mason
fury warrior isn't even high ApM, its jsut GCD Locked.
chilly brook
My wrist just hurt with prot in legion for some reason
final axle
A lot of people enjoy high cpm
signal plover
Machine gun SS bb
blissful pebble
I hated the artifact ability in legion though - stand still flame shield
uneven mason
I hated the artifact ability in legion though - stand still flame shield
It was just cheese enough when it mattered
like solo tanking Aggramar
stark sage
guaranteed crit block for channel tho
super rewarding to use on fel claws
uneven mason
forcing the crit block on the 3rd combo
sick sentinel
def remember using that on kj and smiling
chilly brook
I want that ability back tbh
stark sage
got to love those 99% DR on argus hits
blissful pebble
Crit block was good just strongly object to standing still
chilly brook
But man
uneven mason
got to love those 99% DR on argus hits
TFW you block for more damage in 1 scythe than the raid had total HP, and were still at 99% HP
chilly brook
Heres to hoping SL has a really satisfying player power level after first tier
uneven mason
they went full Gurren Lagann(orwhatever that series is where they throw galaxies at eachother)
But yeah, Legion was the finishing touches of the storyline that Metzen and the original crew started all those years ago.
blissful pebble
I enjoyed doing 5 tank keys that was amusing so much damage and self healing
stark sage
Heres to hoping SL has a really satisfying player power level after first tier
i'm cautiously optimistic, we have legendaries albeit maybe not on the same power level as legion
and we are anticipating set bonuses, which seems to follow legion's formula at least inspired by it
uneven mason
mmhmm
mossy sluice
mists says hello
uneven mason
WoTLK is when they realized it was ok for tanks to deal damage
cosmic oasis
stark sage
wrath was so good, but that was because of the people i was playing with
i think legion, after 7.1, was a better xpac
uneven mason
anyone remember ArP/SBV stacking prot?
chilly brook
i'm cautiously optimistic, we have legendaries albeit maybe not on the same powe...
Ye I'm fine with not being Legion level I just want things to feel great
I think if they ever do release a Wrath classic idk if I'd actually want to play it
Cuz I was a pally boi and they went through so many changes in a short period then
stark sage
if they keep the classic formula, then they wont do progressive class changes
mossy sluice
classic they had to do on the latest patch because thats the version they had right
stark sage
classic they had to do on the latest patch because thats the version they had ri...
yes and no, they could've replicated progressive class design, they would've just had to make the data instead of copying what they had on hand
but it also just makes sense to release the version with the fewest bugs and imbalances
also better for the players, because who wants to pick the underdog for first tier, knowing they'll be buffed for the 4th tier
stark sage
😔
chilly brook
Or broken ass blood dps
stark sage
we'll know for sure how they feel about progressive class changes with the TBC announcement
which should happen this weekend
chilly brook
Starts friday yea?
chilly brook
Bought the ticket cuz the mount was dope even though they're streaming it all for free
Happy early birthday
stark sage
id pay full price for a d2 remaster that is just updated textures and resolution
because i'm a consoomer
strong forum
d2 is getting a remaster
chilly brook
Yep
stark sage
ye i know
its poggers
even if its reforged fiasco i'll still buy it
i'm that far gone
stark sage
yeah reforged team isnt even blizz afaik
chilly brook
Replaced by that other studio
strong forum
unless they add extra shit to d2 re-imagined
stark sage
isnt it the same team that did classic
and broodwar
broodwar remaster was basically perfect
stark sage
oof
chilly brook
They outsourced stuff for reforged though iirc
But them bringing in Vicarious Visions is a really good thing imho
stark sage
if they didnt rush it out before it was finished, i think they wouldnt have had such a bad go of it
small retcons to the original story to more align with modern wow isnt really going to ruin the game
but unfinished models/textures and horrible optimization really made it unplayable for me, afaik its a lot better now but too little too late
chilly brook
They recently did the Crash Bandicoot and Tony Hawk remasters
Both of which are fantastic
stark sage
oh yeah that is epic
chilly brook
I'd buy reforged
But only on a deep ass sale
Also I can't forgive the cut content
I want my fuckin cinematics
And the redo of the arthas/illidan fight is fucking trash
Absolute garbage
sweet kayak
As Kyrian, what's the best building to upgrade in your Sanctum?
chilly brook
The one you want?
lofty widget
transport network probably?
chilly brook
None of them have any power attached
lofty widget
or path of ascension if you like cosmetic stuff
sweet kayak
Allright, thanks 🙂
smoky wave
Path, can get bank and mailbox for your owl buddy.
lofty widget
can other ppl use the swolekin mailbox btw?
smoky wave
Nah, don't think so
blissful pebble
Anima conductor rank 2 gives you a 3 clicks world quest (Limbo) that is a nice easy source or resource or rep etc.
smoky wave
The quickest and best qol is defo transport though. Getting rank 3 today.
Will make life easier
solemn magnet
Does the rank 3 teleporter work both ways, or only from sanctum to oribos?
timber lagoon
Only to oribos
dark lark
sanctum to oribos
but you can just set your hearth to elysian
and get the shaded hearthing wrist enchant
pseudo sapphire
How’re people feeling about the supposed buffs to necro for prot
With the buffed Fleshcraft and war banner
median tulip
It's not enough to make me want to live in Maldraxxus
signal plover
Looks interesting, will have to wait and see what makes it to live
dark lark
If they reduce the CD to 1.5min it'd be big Pog to make it lineup with Avatar. Bastion of Might 2.0
strong forum
na 1.5min CD wouldnt change anything
fierce juniper
i hope they just make every cd 1.5min for warrior
strong forum
cuz you wanna line it up your boomkins dks and warlocks
so you would hold it for 30seconds regardless
dark lark
What if I don't like my boomy dk and warlock guildies :(
strong forum
then you dont play necrolord
last mason
whats the trendiest top route rn
astral crystal
to be fair fleshcraft is pretty good in ptr
astral crystal
whats the trendiest top route rn
depends on week
last mason
is it still xav kul gore with 1st gore room after xav
chilly brook
What if I don't like my boomy dk and warlock guildies :(
Does anyone?
astral crystal
skip first pack and do it at the end*
chilly brook
astral crystal
and by lust i mean pride
dark lark
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coarse kestrel
are yall sure that giant fist doesnt provide rage?
strong forum
can easily check a log
coarse kestrel
im looking at it now and it looks like it did
but im no guru in warcraft logs that I can be sure
blazing condor
dumb question but if a route is exactly the minion count there's no way that it'll ever get fucked right?
if its 100,00% its always gonna be good
strong forum
if you play exactly to route, yes it should be good
chilly brook
Unless they change mob count with a patch it should be yes
strong forum
are yall sure that giant fist doesnt provide rage?
hm... looks like it might be fixed now
coarse kestrel
Ah, ok. that's good to know then
@jagged pier hey maybe they changed it. I'm checking logs and seeing rage gen on those giant fist hits. Might want to double check yours to be sure as well.
novel ruin
if its 100,00% its always gonna be good
Yeah to my knowledge there isn’t anything like the maggots in Waycrest.
blazing condor
alright thanks guys
small harbor
Anyone got any experience using Decanter of Anima Charged Winds? Got a 226 in chest and unsure
small harbor
Nice. Might give it a whirl then
rancid ember
3.5 - 4% of my overall in a dungeon with a 226 decanter
mellow patio
Decanter when 
jagged pier
Anyone got any experience using Decanter of Anima Charged Winds? Got a 226 in ch...
got mine last week havent unequiped it
lofty widget
big question, viscera 226 or heraldry trinket 220 for m+?
strong forum
heraldry imo
idk how much viscera does, but heraldry is solid 2.2% dmg increase minimum and has defensive benefit
lofty widget
guess its worth a try
lofty widget
rouglhy 2.5-3 % healing and dps
strong forum
if you do fucking 2k dps its going to do more % than if you do 4k dps overall
% values are useless
lofty widget
150 k in a spires
lofty widget
76*
strong forum
yea thats still bad
midnight jetty
is there a list of top trinkets for raiding?
strong forum
decanter does 120-170 dps
strong forum
is there a list of top trinkets for raiding?
decanter, hymnal of the path, heraldry, anima field emitter, bloodscale, dreadfire vessel, sanguine vintage
overwhelming power crystal is also good for dps
jagged pier
phials not bad ither
strong forum
forgot about that one
midnight jetty
what about glut spike?
ocean yoke
does more than viscera if youre trying to replace that, even when spike is a lower ilvl
at least when i tried them 213 spike beat 223 viscera
midnight jetty
no i dont have any yet, just seeing which ones to aim for
ocean yoke
i did a dungeon while leveling an alt yesterday and our prot tank kept using whirlwind, i nearly had aneurysm every time i saw it
strong forum
blazing condor
huntsman trink kinda rough right
strong forum
dogshit
dark lark
I keep loot spec away from protection until I hit Sun King lol
And Artificer for the token, I guess
Gotta keep those huntsman trinket out of my loot table
cerulean pebble
i did a dungeon while leveling an alt yesterday and our prot tank kept using whi...
What level were they? Because you don’t get things like thunderclap and revenge until like level 15 or something stupid
cerulean pebble
Okay that is just sad
ocean yoke
i just assumed they are brand new to it and will learn on their own, dont feel like possibly getting shit from pms to em about it
mossy peak
some guildies of mine had a prot warrior in a pug who crafted and upgraded the whirlwind helm
coarse kestrel
Man, reddit says warriors are trash tanks, but then reddit gives trash advice on warrior tanking. Maybe... maybe reddit is trash.
strong forum
took you this long huh
potent anvil
NF prot 📈
strong forum
going on reddit asking for advice is like going into a thrift store expecting quality clothes
strong forum
ok
coarse kestrel
NF is a blast, I loved that aoe
mossy peak
high skill cap
uneven mason
our death curve is because all the DPS warriors are trying to tank right now since our DPS is hurf
mossy peak
very high floor
uneven mason
and using WW to generate aggro
coarse kestrel
a reddit advice story in 4 logs of inerva
mossy peak
low floor?
coarse kestrel
mossy peak
now i've confused myself
strong forum
low floor means easy
uneven mason
We don't have a high skill cap, we have a "be able to read your tooltips at a 3rd grade level"
mossy peak
yeah high floor
uneven mason
we're extremely easy to execute in SL
lavish oracle
I don't know If I'd say the floor is very high, higher than some of the other tanks, for sure
mossy peak
everything's always in comparison to the other tanks
uneven mason
IDK if Its because of just experience but BDK has been harder to play optimally for me this Xpac than Prot war
mossy peak
bdk is definitely akin to us in that respect
strong forum
i hate bdk with a passion, but because its so rare i almost found myself thinking about leveling one
lavish oracle
I play all tanks except bdk, haha
uneven mason
I hated them for a long time
but that was the legion skew
where they were just abusively ahead of other tanks thanks to utility
strong forum
for me its just their rotation and being meta
uneven mason
well, they're not meta anymore lol
unless you're talking about the meta of getting flattened on tyrannical weeks
strong forum
i hate meta cuz its getting its dick sucked so much, now its just their dmg output and rotation
coarse kestrel
you end up with a pretty awesome dps off spec as bdk
uneven mason
yeah their DPS is horrifyingly weak
lavish oracle
I hate the lack of movement options the most, I think
mossy peak
i appreciate the concept of 'you are a rock' and that your mobility is just dragging other things to you, but
strong forum
omega wheelchair
mossy peak
jesus man
lavish oracle
I've heard their high downtime rotation has gotten better but I haven't bothered to find out
mossy peak
wheelchair is generous
uneven mason
was the largest thing to overcome doing CN on a BDK
mossy peak
wheels can be fast
uneven mason
sludgefist was like "I CHOOSE YOU BLEEDING PLATE THING!" and I was like "SOMEONE ROAR!!!"
coarse kestrel
sounds horrific
I alternatively, I wiped my raid because I used leap to get out of slam and didn't tell the other tank to get to pillar to intervene. whereas, other tank a vdh, just kind of goes there without regard to CDs
which was objectively bad play on my part
uneven mason
I alternatively, I wiped my raid because I used leap to get out of slam and didn...
Which is why NF is best
Venthyr would also work
coarse kestrel
no argument from me, love NF
uneven mason
door has a 1min CD
bypasses poop puddles too
I told my mastery heavy DPS that I am accepting bribes to swap to necrolord and then will charge rent on being my intervene target when I use banner
dapper coral
And you can double simp w/ Emeni!
coarse kestrel
does it stay on them after you leave?
dapper coral
the banner is an aura buff around you, not planted like it is now
coarse kestrel
so if anyone gets closer they get it eh
uneven mason
only 2 people when yo ucast it I thought~
subtle island
is deep wounds good in aoe?
dapper coral
psure your 2 closest get it for the entire duration
subtle island
sorry I mean fueled by violence*
ocean yoke
its not a ton of healing in my experience at least, felt like i got way more survivability out of the last stand conduit and shield wall cd than the deep wounds one
uneven mason
Its garbage
its like 2% leech?
the Last stand for sure. much better.
its quite a bit of rage when you're using TW
ocean yoke
wounds damage is just too low for it to be good
uneven mason
Yeah, if we had like, BFA Arms DW damage
it'd be mandatory
because thats self sustain territory
coarse kestrel
in raid it does less healing than my brush it off, but that's single target
obsidian wharf
Can you spell reflect the traps on artificer
coarse kestrel
yea
obsidian wharf
assume its just the 1 trap
coarse kestrel
correct
surreal monolith
so is haste pretty much always good, or is there a point I should shoot for other stats over haste? I realize there are penalties after 30%, but is there any reason to not stack haste before that point?
surreal monolith
okay thanks
midnight jetty
is that outside 5 stacks of into the fray?
strong forum
because at 40% the 20% stat tax sets in
midnight jetty
on 25% at 217
strong forum
i believe absolute max you can reach right now is like 34% or 35%
midnight jetty
ah ok
strong forum
without procs or buffs
i can get 30% haste rn but i dont have haste on weapon and shield
surreal monolith
yeah I just hit 24% and I have a couple pieces with no haste, which is why I was asking
jagged pier
well the i lvl thing im 225 with 22% haste
midnight jetty
just replaced a 210 haste vers ring with mythic artificers ring, worth or nah?
gilded oar
Looking to do something besides dpsing, would venthyr prot gimp me noticeably?
lofty widget
nah
surreal monolith
I think the highest rated prot war right now on IO is venthyr lol
jagged pier
hes nightfae now
gilded oar
Ya he is, but only cuz he raids as dps, he said he was gonna swap off it
jagged pier
actually
strong forum
a covenant wont make or break anything
whatever it is
its just a small helper
atleast if youre a tank or healer
gilded oar
Is prot war on the same level as prot paladin for 15+ keys? Trying to decide what I should commit to
jagged pier
what do u mean same level?
strong forum
on +15 everything is easy
jagged pier
^^
surreal monolith
won't matter unless you're pushing super high keys and then you would want a DH anyways
torpid wolf
If someone could take a look at my toon and give me some advice that would be great.
https://raider.io/characters/us/moon-guard/Kanim
Prot Warr tanking 13s and 14s. Have struggled on some Fortified weeks with dungeons like DoS where I just feel like I'm shredded absolutely instantly.
Any gearing/conduit advice? Is not being Kyrian really fucking me that bad?
Should I prioritize hard vers over an active trinket like the Blood Spattered Scale?
uneven mason
Is prot war on the same level as prot paladin for 15+ keys? Trying to decide wha...
Our DPS is lower, our facetanky is higher
jagged pier
logs?
gilded oar
As in like I I want to push higher keys up ro like 17-18s is one sigmigantly better
torpid wolf
I don't have a lot of M+ logs, I guess I can try to upload a few and see.
I thought it's generally hard to analyze tanks through logs?
strong forum
no 17-18s are still pretty chill for any tank
jagged pier
I don't have a lot of M+ logs, I guess I can try to upload a few and see.
I tho...
nope can easily see if your doing stuff wrong
gilded oar
Ok cool ty
uneven mason
If someone could take a look at my toon and give me some advice that would be gr...
- There are packs in DOS that should be LOS'd and your group needs to not be flipperhanded monkeys when it comes to kicking spells/dispelling
- Your covenant will not make or break you, gearing go super ilvl max!
- FUCK VERS MEME CRAP AAAHHHHRG, Scale is an amazing trinket, use it.
sand condor
ohboy. New Guild. New raid team, and even, a 3rd tank spot which will soon mean a full week of tanking for me once more!
coarse kestrel
tank logs aren't too bad to analyze for raid and boss analysis, no clue about pack by pack in m+
torpid wolf
nope can easily see if your doing stuff wrong
Alright, gotcha. I'll take a look at if I can upload some when I do 13s this week.
I'm trying to aim for KSM asap since I'm getting burnt out on the current content.
uneven mason
Its easy for people to read logs and tell you what you're doing wrong as atank
Its hard for a computer to read logs and tell you what you're doing wrong as a tank.
since a lot of tanking is subjective/situational
90% Of tank deaths in dungeons are due to DPS being crappers and not kicking/stunning
at least 90% of my deaths are.
torpid wolf
Is there any stuff that should be obvious, i.e. Shield Block uptime, etc?
I feel like that's something my DPS need to get better at.
uneven mason
use SB when being punched, don't use SB when not beig punched
torpid wolf
We don't run an innterrupt order.
uneven mason
you should
torpid wolf
So when do you use Ignore Pain > SB?
uneven mason
also, many enrages/buffs in these dungeons
torpid wolf
Magic Damage?
uneven mason
you don't IP > SB
you just use IP to help smooth dmg
but yeah IP is a good magic mitigator
old monolith
Just getting into 10 keys. Is just a hope and pray in PUGs?
old monolith
I can see that
uneven mason
We don't run an innterrupt order.
This right here is probably a huge source of your deaths, I can tell since you mentioned DoS that I could pinpoint what packs are murdering you, and its because your team need to kick/stun/dispel better
torpid wolf
The first major one pre-Hakkar hallway and the one before the Mechagon hallway
uneven mason
yes
torpid wolf
Those two ALWAYS fuck me.
It feels like there's just too much going on. I have to blow every major cooldown and then just run.
uneven mason
there is a lot of DDs and there is a buff the big one casts, that needs to be kicked or dispelled
fallow beacon
uneven mason
engage with SW and SR up, avatar+charge hit IP, Demo shout, drop ravager - leap down the stairs and scream for your DPS to kick the buffs
distant crystal
uneven mason
thats literally how those packs are done
its every tank, not just us
a guardian I run with alot got deleted through Ironfur and surv instincts the first time we tried that on a 13 fort
those shadowboy packs are nasty
Line of sight is your firend.
torpid wolf
Do you preter Bolster over AE?
torpid wolf
Ravager > UF?
strong forum
UF is dead
uneven mason
I run AM in heavy magic dungeons (NW DOS )
strong forum
never play UF
uneven mason
UF is shit
UF is an insulting reminder of days long gone, a loved ones corpse hung tauntingly from the gates of every dungeon we run.
uneven mason
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
"Returning Thunder Clap to its 8.0 values"
Its not the fix we want, but its the fix we need.
strong forum
its one of the fixes we want
uneven mason
If they unnerfed TC dmg I'd make a weak aura so every time I press avatar it plays the Altered Beast "RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE" sound
coarse kestrel
powerrr up
blazing condor
can logs be slow on uploading or did somehting get fucked. My first kills got logged and updated but cant see the kills on other bosses (from the same raid)
blazing condor
i was the one logging
only thing i did was a reload i think
can that really fuck it up?
jagged pier
yep
blazing condor
man i cba
i was literally orange logging
but the kills were there in the log
hmm
jagged pier
ill believe is when i see the log 
blazing condor
apparently i was playing with a stealth guild
is there any way to fix this for me lmao
i wanna flex
jagged pier
link the logs here
coarse kestrel
is there a way to apply target markers automatically?
blazing condor
also i think my only okay log was on inevra im not trying to say im god mode
its probably bad
jagged pier
pretty sure u can macro that or dbm does it in dungeons
jagged pier
nothing u can go it looks like
blazing condor
thats depressing
strong forum
wtf is this log
blazing condor
idk pug garbo
strong forum
na but like
blazing condor
i just wanted to see if i could get some better ranks
strong forum
no clear cutoffs between bosses
dark lark
Anybody having fun with NF war? I know it's just as good as Kyrian and all, but I'm kind of bored with Kyrian. Is AA fun?
jagged pier
just try again next time
strong forum
looks like your shriekwing log is scuffed
amber herald
Anybody having fun with NF war? I know it's just as good as Kyrian and all, but ...
soulshapes more fun than phial. AA vs spear they're pretty similar
one roots one knockdowns
amber herald
more damage but a bit more difficult to play with than spea
r
is the usual consensus
dark lark
I pushed pretty high as Venthyr for the meme, but I'm looking to switch out again
Wondering if I go NF or back to Kyrian
amber herald
the knockdowns on NF is pretty powerful in M+
dark lark
AA lines up with Avatar right
fierce juniper
Q: Is Protection viable for end-game M+ / raid progression?
A: Yes. Protection is very strong defensively and and extremely strong offensively, particularly in AoE/Mythic+. Regardless, what tank you play isn't going to dictate your overall success. Tank balance right now is in a good spot and the minor differences between the different tank specs won't make a difference for most. What matters is your individual skill and how familiar you are with a particular spec.
Tank balance right now is in a good spot
chilly brook
@strong forum BG 3 just added druid as a playable class
fierce juniper
is this a joke
dark lark
Why would it be a joke lol
strong forum
hoho
chilly brook
Q: Is Protection viable for end-game M+ / raid progression?
A: Yes. Protection i...
I mean we don't have bad damage in aoe/m+
strong forum
i mean
chilly brook
dark lark
VDH is flavor of the month but there's still other people pushing as other tanks
strong forum
just because its not popular doesnt mean its shit
dark lark
plka on war, dorki on bear, andy and trance on brew
chilly brook
This is the first I've ever heard representation means a 1:1 in actual balance
strong forum
however phrasing that pwar is offensively extremely strong is a stretch
ill give you that
dark lark
VDH's kit is very well suited for the current meta of kiting in keys, plus they have strong damage which will be nerfed a little bit
Darkee literally got world first as prot warrior
fierce juniper
i dont really see prot warrior have extremely strong offensively damage
strong forum
however phrasing that pwar is offensively extremely strong is a stretch
^
yes thats a misshap thats still leftover from bfa
chilly brook
We also aren't poop in aoe damage either
dark lark
It's not
strong forum
ill give you that
blazing condor
with CDs up we're pretty ok in AoE
chilly brook
^
strong forum
we're okay
blazing condor
avatar + ravager + spear + demo + all that shit
dark lark
It's still better than BDK and non boomy-weaving Bears
chilly brook
I mean....
dark lark
Paladins are also way squishier
chilly brook
We're better than DKs
dark lark
Objectively squishier
chilly brook
On par with druid
fierce juniper
ok with druid
chilly brook
Pretty close to monk
dark lark
Monk ST is surprisingly strong, gotta give them that
strong forum
bdk does less dmg than pwar, a god tier guardian does more than us
monk does good damage
fierce juniper
i mean the q and a is so misleading
amber herald
AA lines up with Avatar right
yes/no, the conduit decreases the cd by 15s
30s in higher ilvl
chilly brook
The only things that are crazy higher are DH and pally
dark lark
bdk does less dmg than pwar, a god tier guardian does more than us
like doorki 😮
chilly brook
And pally has very real tradeoffs
dark lark
What pally gains in damage and utility, they lose in survivability
chilly brook
I'm still curious why any of this actually matters
fierce juniper
Protection is very strong defensively and and extremely strong offensively, particularly in AoE/Mythic+.
i mean it just give too much misleading info there
dark lark
I think the point is that they're fine in all content
chilly brook
I'm still missing what the point is
dark lark
And unless you're competing with Nerftank and Naowh, you'll be fine with Warrior
strong forum
im working on changing it
chilly brook
Ok
fierce juniper
just give people with no idea the wrong impression and false hope
strong forum
just because i can do 4k dps in m+ doesnt mean that its extremely strong offensively
i could do 5k on other tanks
if i put in the effort
dark lark
https://clips.twitch.tv/InspiringTawdryGuanacoNerfRedBlaster-hZs5NF-zRDeQK9Wv @patent osprey doing 5.4k overall in necrotic 21
That's nothing to sneeze at
strong forum
thats NW
chilly brook
Yea NW isn't a good benchmark
strong forum
but ye, NF gives you big pump
chilly brook
NF is big dam
sick sentinel
Plka is a good palyer
chilly brook
Just revenge 4head
sick sentinel
probably one of the best players EU
strong forum
hes US
chilly brook
I thought he was NA
strong forum
dark lark
plka is NA LOL
ocean yoke
thats just how good he is
strong forum
in EU terms there are other names popping up
dark lark
hold on I can't find the NA LUL emote
strong forum
😏
fierce juniper
i mean it still doesnt change the fact that on the any same skill level warrior is not good at aoe damage
against other tank
chilly brook
Uhhh
chilly brook
i mean it still doesnt change the fact that on the any same skill level warrior ...
Demonstrably wrong
strong forum
and again, its ahead of BDK dmg, but its bdk lmao
fierce juniper
alright
chilly brook
Its ahead of one reasonably equal or slightly behind 2 others and then we have 2 outliers
Our single target is garbo
But aoe is pretty ok
ocean bloom
fierce juniper
i mean all my point is extremely strong offensively doesn't suit prot warrior rn
chilly brook
I think your point has been acknowledged
fierce juniper
ok
chilly brook
Idk what you're still going on about tho
fierce juniper
btw what is the average cd of SW with the legendary with or without AM in your experience
strong forum
1.5-2min without AM
chilly brook
Around 1 minute with legendary and AM
fierce juniper
what about without AM
strong forum
am i blocked or smth
strong forum
ye in raid i perma run AM
fierce juniper
And do overcap on block% from shield block goes into critical block now?
ocean bloom
how much do crit blocks matter anyway?
strong forum
mastery dictates your critical block chance
fierce juniper
i play prot warrior back in cata and quit after panda
it was that in cata, just wondering
so shield block actually get less value as your block chance increase?
even that no one do want mastery
strong forum
your block chance barely increases
from mastery
its unreliable, you dont wanna bank on RNG blocking an attack
guaranteeing a block is 10x better than taking a gamble on surviving
civic rover
hi woyers
strong forum
dark lark
So tempted to switch to NF for keys but Venthyr/Kyrian is so good for arms pvp
I also can't switch for another week since I just went back to Kyrian yesterday
strong forum
NF is also good in pvp
dark lark
What if I miss lol
strong forum
how can you miss an instant attack?
dark lark
That's what I'm most worried about
strong forum
dark lark
Because it's an AOE and I might be facing the wrong direction randomly? Or they use a movement ability in the half second before I press?
I guess i can storm bolt
amber herald
it's area of effect is bigger than the animation
dark lark
it's area of effect is bigger than the animation
oh really
amber herald
and the first knockdown/dmg works like shockwave
dark lark
Interesting
amber herald
so if you aren't missing with shockwave you're probably alright
dark lark
lol k
Yeah the AA circle looks so small
And I've missed Spears before because I use the @cursor macro and I'm bad
Pretty simple to stun into Spear though
hardy radish
I miss AA and I miss warbreaker lol
amber herald
I haven't ever really missed with it
hardy radish
when you do both back to back it's time to go unplug the router
amber herald
I'd say backpedalling a bit as you cast it is a good idea so you get more mobs in the larger radius and not on the thin bit
but that's about the only finessing it needs to use it
dark lark
Im not worried about missing AA in pve, it's more in the arenas I do
But the explanation helps alot 🙂
amber herald
never done that either I am a pure m+ andy
dark lark
I do all arenas m+ raid all equally badly
echo egret
Potency conduit : Piercing Verdict or Show of Force ?
dark lark
Piercing
dark lark
And now for the hazardous question : what would be the best Kleia build ?
Currently using this https://www.wowhead.com/soulbind-calc/kyrian/kleia/warrior/ApZqAQUcugURBS07BSIVHJEFJRyiBQ
Pelagos is being occupied by my arena setup and I cba to bother with conduit energy
astral crystal
Shield Wall Reduces all damage you take by 40% for 8 sec. 1 charge. Warrior - Protection Spec. Warrior - Protection Spec. Instant. 4 min cooldown. recharge. 1 charge.
1 charge
it's happening
spring quartz
Yo did shield wall get buffed or Am I reading mmo champ wrong
astral crystal
new leggo 2 charges
Unbreakable Will Shield Wall also gains 1 additional charge, and grants 50% of its effect to all party members.
strong forum
cringe
astral crystal
yah that's cring
astral crystal
HOWEVER
Seismic Reverberation (Protection) If Whirlwind or Revenge hits 3 or more enemies, it hits them 1 additional time for 40% damage. 75% damage.
where the revenge memelords at
strong forum
its defo better ye
echo egret
My issue with kleia is that the good things I'd like to take (ascendent phial+pointed courage) , prevent me to take good conduits
strong forum
but still big survial loss
dark lark
My issue with kleia is that the good things I'd like to take (ascendent phial+po...
Yeah that's the tradeoff 😦
echo egret
But that phial immunity is so much useful in M+
digital hawk
this looks spicy
cinder storm
Hmm
digital hawk
jumpstarts your mitigation tho
cinder storm
They could remove that leggo and make it a talent or make it base idk
sinful depot
so what does the shield wall change do
strong forum
if that was the case, cool
sturdy trench
oooooh
strong forum
but its prolly just a change to make the other leggo work
sturdy trench
Unbreakable Will Shield Wall alsogains 1 additional charge, and grants 50% of its effect to all party members.
yeah
strong forum
thats why it gets a charge
strong forum
but unless you can wear 2 leggos, its nothing
sturdy trench
we definitely will
strong forum
says who
sturdy trench
it would be crazy if we wouldnt tbh
amber herald
plka's meme-build coming in hot
patent osprey
sturdy trench
together with reprisal and BSC;p