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chilly brook
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Tbh prolly emitter and glad

mental scarab
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yea that haste is bonkers 😄

median tulip
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I had sooooo many ilvl 200 trinkets

last mason
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are there WAs that show who has what weapons in wake

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like next to pframes or something

shut summit
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never used it but showed up on wago

valid zodiac
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Got 210 barricade with leech wohoo

coarse kestrel
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condemn has a tendency to pull aggro off the other tank for me

tired cove
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big crit conmns are nice

coarse kestrel
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does the dmg prevention part of condemn crit?

ebon hound
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Finally left the 210 Shield club behind LETSGOOO

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i can do dungeons now peepoHappy

blazing condor
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Fueled by violence kinda lacking right?

signal plover
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Could use more fuel

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Or perhaps violence

sweet summit
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this is why i love you paw

blazing condor
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😳

lone folio
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Among 213 Gluttonous Spike 213 Heart of Al'ar and 220 Stone Legion Heraldry, what 2 trikets do you guys reccomend I use in m+? Do I need other people to have the stone legion trink for it to be worth it?

strong forum
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bloodscale and anime emitter

coarse kestrel
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well like

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fueled by violence did less than brush it off for me

sweet summit
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ya it sucks poop

coarse kestrel
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that was on heroic huntsman

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oh wait all of the fights that night that i tried it actually

lone folio
strong forum
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ilvl plays a role

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but not as big as on gear

signal plover
lone folio
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gotcha, thanks!

graceful leaf
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Is gluttonous better than emitter paired with sanguination trinket from denathrius? I don't have scale yet :(

vapid lynx
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is pelagos our best option for soulbind?

signal plover
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Yeh pelagos is very strong

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Kleia is actually seksy on necro weeks with the immunity

vapid lynx
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yeah i already was gonna use kleia on necrotic weeks

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just for overall was wondering if pelagos was our best otuside of that

signal plover
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Ya

chilly brook
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Thick thighs save lives

signal plover
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I mean we're not talking bout thighs here but yes of course

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Wait

chilly brook
signal plover
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No I'm mistaken

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We are always talking about thighs here

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I don't think owlboi even has a trait to meme around with.

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Bron is still terrible afaik

silent grove
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Thiccc thighs best

chilly brook
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When they add Kyrian I'm gonna have to race change

upbeat valve
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So is necrolord going to be a good pick with the upcoming changes to fleshcraft?

chilly brook
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It'll be better than it is now

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That's about all I can say concretely

upbeat valve
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I mostly do m+ btw

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Idk if that would change anything

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Well that's good

obtuse thicket
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Am I the only one to believe in higj keys prot dmg is the shit compared to others?

upbeat valve
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The shit or is shit?

obtuse thicket
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Is shit

upbeat valve
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Oh ok.

obtuse thicket
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Srry translated in my native language it made sense as I wrote it

chilly brook
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Overall prot damage isn't in the greatest spot

upbeat valve
chilly brook
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100% lowest damage tank in single target

upbeat valve
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But so far damage doesn't seem to be a strong suit

mellow patio
chilly brook
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We're better than blood though in keys from an overall standpoint

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Seem roughly equivalent to bears in overall damage

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Behind monk, DH and pally

obtuse thicket
chilly brook
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Talking about damage

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But tbh prot has a better toolkit for pushing keys than blood does

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Blood just has a higher representation because it's always had a high representation

coarse kestrel
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blood has a great toolkit, what does prot bring really that's better?

chilly brook
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You're just a better tank lol

coarse kestrel
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war easier dmg profile for healing

chilly brook
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Blood hasn't been a great tank for m+ since post s1 nerf of BFA

wanton condor
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bdk was great through nighthold

coarse kestrel
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i havent geared my bdk so i dunno how great they are as tank. I know as a healer they've always been annoying as hell to heal

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never know when a spike means soon to die or about to self heal

obtuse thicket
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What does "a better tank" mean?

sick sentinel
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A tank that its better

chilly brook
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Less prone to "random" deaths

sick sentinel
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also, were they good in S1 of BfA?

chilly brook
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Yes

sick sentinel
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thought they had ended in pre-patch

chilly brook
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They were the meta for s1

sick sentinel
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hmmm

chilly brook
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Bonestorm was nuts

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They got a bonestorm, armor, WotN and I think death strike nerf after s1

livid socket
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Has there been info on how this boneboy buff will affect Prot?

chilly brook
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Wait and seeeeee

livid socket
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Im over here peeping out my blinds lol

ionic fern
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It's a step up from the previous iteration but for your average m+/raiding person it will most likely still fall behind Kyrian/NF.
The 30% DR is nice if you can use it efficiently.
The mastery buff on a 2m CD on yourself is fine but Pelagos/Niya provide mastery on a lot shorter CD's.
The mastery buff on your 2 nearest allies can be good if played around with..e.g fire mage/boomy on their CD's.
It's still early on so we have to wait and see if they change something else with Necro to make it even more appealing.

coarse kestrel
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i dont like their soulbinds

signal plover
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They don't like you either

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Rude

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(but yeah they're kinda shit)

ionic fern
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Jeah, that's definitely a down side. Plus the 2m CD doesn't really align up with anything we have.

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It's still a lot better than it was before so that's good.

coarse kestrel
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who knows maybe next tier has a bunch of adds that can proc all their "when you defeat an enemy" shit

stark sage
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didnt they take that bit out

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from how it reads, its jsut a strait 2m CD now

coarse kestrel
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did they? talking about the soulbinds, stuff like emeni - gnashing chompers, gain 3% haste for 10 sec after defeating an enemy up to 15%

stark sage
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oh i thought you were talking about the glory mechanic

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yeah its possible those can get better

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but that's very niche

coarse kestrel
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is anyone venthyr?

chilly brook
coarse kestrel
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which soulbind do you run?

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i was thinking of doing nadja with dauntless duelist for raid

chilly brook
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Been using theotar because nadjia is for fury

strong forum
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when you see people playing fotm

coarse kestrel
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I was using theo, just started to try out draven

haughty sleet
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How’s venthyr in raid? Thinking of switching

sweet summit
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its fun

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good dam

haughty sleet
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Is the damage reduction from condemn noticeable

stark sage
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idk how noticeable it is, but you will almost always use condemn instead of IP to spend rage against 1 target

chilly brook
chilly brook
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In strictly single target that is

haughty sleet
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Spear is annoying me lately and I want to push in pvp

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Plus I can be a parse monkey in mythic I guess

chilly brook
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Spear is really good in pvp tho

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Also

haughty sleet
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Definitely is but condemn can be so oppressive

signal plover
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Hmmmm, can u reflect another warrior's condemn?

chilly brook
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You don't need to be Venthyr to pump

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I wasn't Venthyr for these

signal plover
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Oof dat council tho

chilly brook
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I know

haughty sleet
signal plover
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I finally managed an orange on sire on a carry run the other day

chilly brook
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I was NF btw if you were wondering

haughty sleet
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Inerva was our first kill

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Xymox most of the raid was dead

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Sun king I dunno how to improve my log, I was like 98th% on boss dmg

signal plover
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Xymox is super scuffed for parse if you're the tank leaping out right when the hero burn pops off

chilly brook
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Sun king is dumb pad fight

signal plover
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Also doesn't count so whatever

chilly brook
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Sun king and council I just wipe from my list of caring

haughty sleet
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I am that tank

mellow patio
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You are a parsing team

haughty sleet
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My next kill I’m going to be pumping on xy

signal plover
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Not when ur raid is actually brain dead o. Artificer

mellow patio
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Your parse is his parse

haughty sleet
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I wasn’t using am on that kill

chilly brook
signal plover
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Normally we scheme to the max

chilly brook
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Hes a paladin

coarse kestrel
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right now it feels easier to parse well on warrior vs other tanks because most warrior tanks don't press revenge for some reason

chilly brook
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He could still get mid 90s and above while doing mechanics

chilly brook
coarse kestrel
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watching timers and rage is just too big an ask lol

haughty sleet
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Oh and I’m dog tank on huntsman feels bad man

coarse kestrel
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why??

chilly brook
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After like the 2nd kill its super ez

haughty sleet
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Just the way the cookie crumbled

chilly brook
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To maximize damage

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Also depending on his cotank he might be the best choice for dog

haughty sleet
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Monk

chilly brook
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Ye

mellow patio
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Oh I make our monk tank dog so I can game

chilly brook
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Monk on dog doesnt sound great

young glen
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Destroyer Mythic - do you taunt after each overwhelm or stick with the five stack taunt swap?

coarse kestrel
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wouldn't monk still be better b/c paralyze?

haughty sleet
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Apparently xy is bad for monk too

chilly brook
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Uhhh no

mellow patio
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Works wonders for my gaming skillz

chilly brook
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You just want the tank that wont take a huge hit in the dog

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I took it over my pally cotank

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Because SR every one and Wall is a super short CD

signal plover
chilly brook
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Rarely ever took more than 10% on each soul RIP

mellow patio
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Come on bro you ain’t gonna let your healers parse

chilly brook
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My healers struggled already on that boss

mellow patio
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Tell them to be better

chilly brook
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Why do that when I could go to a 2 day more prog'd guild as a DPS

mellow patio
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I see you’ve finally seen the light of the two day guild

chilly brook
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Always did

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Never wanted 3 day

mellow patio
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Key to success: find good players and raid 2 days a week.

coarse kestrel
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huh. in my raid the DH always takes them cause he has imprison. Dunno what DH magic dmg profile is like

chilly brook
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3 day hardstuck 3/10 just was the straw that broke the back

mellow patio
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They just heal it

chilly brook
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And they have like 15% passive magic DR

coarse kestrel
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nice, guess that worked out by accident then lol

mellow patio
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Yeah if you’re optimal dh is doing the dogs but then his parse bro

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Always let the Chad spike bro parse otherwise why does he exist

coarse kestrel
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meanwhile im a jackass parsing orange with a super easy job on that fight

sick sentinel
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Destroyer hurts a bit

mellow patio
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If u WEAK

chilly brook
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Destroyer honestly isn't bad

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Most of the damage you block

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And you have wall up for the ball run out quite a bit

sick sentinel
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I get some sweaty moments when my healers are running because expunge and Im tanking

chilly brook
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Which is the only time I felt like I was in danger

chilly brook
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Ye wall during expunge

young glen
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Are we not getting dimishing returns on taunt if we do it every 10 sec?

signal plover
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Taunt during overwhelm helps a lot with spikes, SR while u have expunge if actively tanking during it (if not then SR after and eat ball)

chilly brook
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Ez pz

coarse kestrel
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on heroic council, how many lunges do you take? the 4th lunge feels killer

sick sentinel
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I usually take 3

chilly brook
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For reference

sick sentinel
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when only Stavros is up

chilly brook
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This was my mythic hungering

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Barely had to cast IP tbh

sick sentinel
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good healers?

chilly brook
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Eh

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Hungering is just really about managing your CDs

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Theres a lot of off time in terms of tanking

sick sentinel
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hmmm

sweet summit
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healer parses 🤡

sick sentinel
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dont call me a clwon

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clown

chilly brook
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Healer parses are just how much extra damage does the group take

sick sentinel
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Im a Joker

chilly brook
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But we definitely had some weaker players

chilly brook
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Tbf I think our druid died

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I lied

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None of the healers died except for one priest at the end

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👀

rose quartz
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Anyone of you guys ever tried the Revenge build with revenge Lego in m+ combined with the 9% extra Ignore pain on DMG? I imagine it to be nice aoe DMG buff to warrior.

chilly brook
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Big dam

rose quartz
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And converting DMG to heal absorb.

chilly brook
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But it comes at a fairly sizable loss in tankyness

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Like some people have been 25% higher running BSC+seismic+SoF

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But it is a sizable tradeoff

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Good for low tier content

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And you're only getting the benefit on 3+ targets

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Iirc

rose quartz
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Yeah m+ big pullz

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So U tried it? Does it do a lot of DMG?

ionic fern
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We have tried it since beta.

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And yes, it deals more damage than the "regular" build obviously.

rose quartz
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But a higher cooldown on shield wall is a to big tradeoff?

wanton condor
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SoF?

rose quartz
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Sorry what is SoF?

chilly brook
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Show of Force

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Conduit

wanton condor
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ah, revenge -> thunderclap damage

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gotcha

chilly brook
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Its not just a higher cooldown on shield wall btw

wanton condor
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honestly I might just build Seismic for next week just to fool around

chilly brook
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Its a significant rage hit

wanton condor
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and yeah, 5 less rage per shield slam is the big hit

chilly brook
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You're losing out on BV and 5 extra rage from shield slam

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Which is huge

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You're spending rage at the same rate or higher but without anything to supplement it

rose quartz
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Yeah I mean the cooldown reduction for shield wall is essential from the current wall Lego. Cause this is the only way we can handle big pulls in combination with Last stand ever 1min30 but I thought since we have a too big lag in DMG maybe we could get it with Revenge and 9% DMG to Ignore pain Lego to find a balance.

chilly brook
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Probably not

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And our damage is honestly fine in m+

rose quartz
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No it's not. On +17-18 we gotta do more.

chilly brook
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I guess Plka is doing something wrong

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Timing 20s

ionic fern
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Our damage is behind other tanks but it's not stopping you from pushing 20 keys

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o.o

rose quartz
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Other tanks deal 5-10k DPS on big pulls. I get lucky to burst on 6 but in the End l fall down to 3

ionic fern
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I deal more than 10k on big pulls. 👀

chilly brook
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Then you're doing something wrong

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When I was NF I was bursting for 15k

rose quartz
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AHH I am not kyrian***

chilly brook
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And I'm still doing 10k on big pulls as Venthyr

rose quartz
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Strange. I have average item lvl 218 all haste and versa gear

chilly brook
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Press revenge 4head

sturdy sable
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^

chilly brook
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Like actually no meme

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Press revenge

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Use rage

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Not just free procs

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Have to learn how to balance your survival and your damage

coarse kestrel
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it's the riddle of steel

sick sentinel
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who is Pika

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the pokemane?

coarse kestrel
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pLka

chilly brook
sick sentinel
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is he our god?

chilly brook
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And a member of Skyhold

sick sentinel
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is Pika EU?

chilly brook
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NA I think

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He streams

sick sentinel
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need to check him out then

chilly brook
sick sentinel
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thank you!

safe pier
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Quick question. Do you need to land the killing blow to proc this, or simply participate in the kill? "Gnashing Chompers
Soulbind Ability
Gain 3% Haste for 10 sec after defeating an enemy, up to 15%"

sturdy sable
scenic pendant
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currently with Venthyr, any reason I should go to Kyrian? Not even Lv60 on my prot warrior, and I don't intend on doing anything beyond M0

coarse kestrel
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zero reason to care then

upbeat valve
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Are you going to do PvP or something?

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If M0 is your ceiling then It doesnt matter what you do really

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M0 is a cake walk

tardy sequoia
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Guys what’s easier for pushing keys in pug? Fortified or tyrannical?

patent osprey
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@sick sentinel /wave

wicked lantern
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@patent osprey You plan on releasing more commentary style videos? The one over Sanguine Depths was extremely helpful.

patent osprey
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yeah, sorry T_T Chinese new year weekend + valentines day means no time to even get on comp haha

modern brook
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Happy lny btw

sick sentinel
patent osprey
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ty :)

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I'll stream every night next week trying out different legendaries

keen epoch
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what is the best cov for prot in m+? kyrian?

neat dirge
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Yah

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Hmm i Wonder how threat management will be in M+ high keys without kyrian on some pulls

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Im prob going necrolord

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Next patch

silver trout
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interesting is how I'd describe it

neat dirge
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Yeah

silver trout
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gotta be a lot faster snapping up TC/revenge threat

neat dirge
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Just have 3 hunters in my m+ party

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And it's solved

deft sapphire
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Except tc does zero damage lol

neat dirge
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^

silver trout
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yeah, still helps for stuff not eating your healer

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who cares about the dps classes

neat dirge
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DPS = threat

patent osprey
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I don't use kyrian spear now and threat is fine ;)

silver trout
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and yeah the dps on TC is 😭

neat dirge
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Yeah I guess but you also got condemned

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Imagine not having spear or condemned

deft sapphire
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Condemn is trash for aoe though

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Nf is legit for m+ I think

neat dirge
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It depends on how efficient you are with target swapping

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You charge in shieldslam one target

patent osprey
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u don't ever condemn in aoe

neat dirge
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Condemned another

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Taunt the third one

deft sapphire
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Nah condemn is just bin in aoe

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Revenge does more damage and ip is better for defense

neat dirge
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I think in 3 target, u can Def do a condemned

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Yeah but IP = no dmg

silver trout
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"press revenge more" is kind of the meme here, but it really is the answer in that situation

neat dirge
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Yeah obviously

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But you charge in, shieldslam shieldblock revenge

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I've Def lost aggro in that time

deft sapphire
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I just ravager and avatar

neat dirge
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To my Mage going full bangarang with combust

deft sapphire
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And proc bladestorm with signet 🙂

neat dirge
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I play Thunder lord

deft sapphire
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I don’t have a prot legendary lol

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Dps main

neat dirge
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Rn I have no problems holding threat

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Spear is a blessing

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But when I go necrolord

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monkaS

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@patent osprey don't compare me with you plz, I ain't pro

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I'm your average scrub

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I have no idea how u can hold aggro on big pulls without spear

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Maybe your DPS chills a couple of frames before popping all cooldowna

silver trout
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ravager, BV/demo shout, lots of revenge spam all help on the initial threat, if it's only one or two mobs, then condemn spam will happen

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knowing pulls better helps too because you can get a better feel of when to pump and when to go defensive

silent grove
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when i go necrolord
You merely adopted the banner. I was born into it. Molded by it. I didnt get my first mythic invite till my ilevel was 220

vague thistle
fallow beacon
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going into m council prog this reset, our tanks are myself and a guardian druid. I'll probably be the one to kite in last phase - how mandatory is the leaper leggo?

amber herald
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ravager on it;s own is probably fine for threat

neat dirge
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@vague thistle ah good point, ill take a look at that

astral crystal
fallow beacon
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does it make the rest of the fight significantly harder not having the wall or is the tank damage pretty manageable

astral crystal
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tank damage is alright throughout, but you do want some good mit if you're the one tanking nik at the end

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and externals

fallow beacon
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because ill have spare ash next week so if leaper striaght up makes the last phase easier than ill go down that path

fickle timber
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Memory of Eonar, any prot warrior experiment with this?

strong forum
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sounds like a dead leggo

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low chance on 10% DR dandy

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and 5% dr for the group

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pretty dead if you ask me

coarse kestrel
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should i be running shadowcore oil or the sharpening stone?

sick sentinel
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no to stone

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the proc does more dps anyways pretty sure and you also get added bonus for using ghostfire potion

coarse kestrel
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simmed it just now on patchwork

sick sentinel
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the stone just isn't competitive

coarse kestrel
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50 dps loss

sick sentinel
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for?

coarse kestrel
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shadowcore oil and phantom fire vs stone and str pot

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oh to clarify, stone was a 50 dps loss

sick sentinel
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i don't think str or phantom fire really makes a big difference, but im fairly certian u can sim pots too

coarse kestrel
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yea thats what i did

void moat
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Anyone know how to macro a mouseoverspell that if nothing is moused over it still casts the spell on whatever you're targeting?

sick sentinel
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i'd imagine phantom fire with the oil would be the best possible, but oil and str is fine too. just not really ever stam or armor potions

coarse kestrel
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isnt that just a mouseover macro?

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like.. if nothing is moused over it will still cast on whatever you have targetted

void moat
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Some of them seem to break if i'm not mousing over something

mossy peak
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add ; spell

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to the end

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with spell being whatever it is you are using in the macro

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so for example a mouseover execute macro should end in ; Execute

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this basically means "if none of the other conditions are met, then do this"

void moat
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I know this is warrior discord

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but i was playing with my macros for rogue

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so here is what i'm using and it seems to break

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#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,nodead][@player] Shadowstep ; Shadowstep

sick sentinel
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there, 2 rank 4's now

mossy peak
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i don't know much about rogue stuff anymore but why is that @karmic rivet in there

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that targets yourself

void moat
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oh shit

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that's true

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hrm

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i'm not sure how to fix it. what the @ is

mossy peak
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that whole part doesn't need to be there

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just the target mouseover brackets

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take out the [@karmic rivet] entirely

robust surge
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should I run Hold Your Ground or 3 endurance + superior tactics

void moat
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that worked!

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thank you

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i honestly wonder why the player thing is in there

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does PVP break it maybe?

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i gotta find an enemy player to try it on

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yyup works on enemies still

mossy peak
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they're still not @karmic rivet, which is just you

coarse kestrel
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is @karmic rivet targetting yourself?

mossy peak
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yes

void moat
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that's so odd

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Hmmm well THANK you so much

mossy peak
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i know about all that because of ravager for warrior, so that brings me to the only conclusion i can think of

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does shadowstep have a talent or other thing that turns it into another ability, like bladestorm into ravager

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that would be ground-casted

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like that uh, the leap from the sky ability

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finisher

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or something like that

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that's all i got

distant iris
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pugging is rough sometimes, 3 failed ToP +6 attempts today, one of which was a 40+ death masterpiece

sturdy sable
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Ah your magnum opus

distant iris
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for two of those, I was near the top DPS, incredibly frustrating

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prot warriors are not DPS machines 😐

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ilvl198 is plenty high enough for +6?

jolly wasp
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It's more than enough lol

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I think you even drop 197ilvl gear in that difficulty? Not sure, but even at average level it is more than enough

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You were really unlucky with your dps group i guess

distant iris
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I feel like other than mordretha, and gorechop, the entire place is easy

sturdy sable
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Ppl where pushing 15s at 200 ilvl

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You don't need alot of gear for most keys

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It most certainly helps but you don't need as much as you'd think

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Worst thing that will happen is you deplete a key

distant iris
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This was my last group, wiped on mordretha 3 times (at least some of that was me I'm sure) - mage was 206 ilvl

jolly wasp
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I remember tanking a +10 with 194ish ilvl, theater of pain too, and the only thing that would really scare me was the last boss scythe spell

distant iris
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This was with lust

jolly wasp
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Then i learned about spell reflecting it

sturdy sable
#

And then that boss became laughably easy lol

distant iris
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I really wish spell reflect was up for 100% of those, but yeah it's a neat trick that I'm glad I know now xD

sturdy sable
#

None of those DPS are pulling their weight

distant iris
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715 dps shadow priest

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idk if I'm crazy, I wanted to run TOP so I was running any key with it, but I can't handle people doing under 1k dps in a +6

lusty torrent
#

Yea this sucks, but I wouldn't give this much weight. Most players are trash until like +14/+15 level, and even then its only slightly less of a crapshoot

median tulip
#

That SPriest should quit the game

jolly wasp
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Even at +14/15 it's a coin flip

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Took me an hour and a half to get a +14 (cleared all 13 and most 14) and despite having fotm class players we wiped the key in less than 15 minutes.

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But it also took me 15 minutes to get into a +14 that was super smooth too

upbeat valve
#

im assuming for M+ we use ravager right?

distant iris
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I'll keep trying anyway, I +2'd and very nearly +3'd a +6 SOA today, group wasn't even crazy just had all people at 2-3k dps and a good healer. Given the right people, things are way easier

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Yessir, ravager for M+

upbeat valve
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cool thanks

heavy sail
#

Shadow priests are always the worst for some reason

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Like the spec is tuned well

rigid elm
#

Is there ever any consideration for [In To The Frey] over [Ravager] in m+? I know the conventional thought is that the extra rage is irreplaceable, but the shield block recharge reduction could be worth something right?

heavy sail
#

It just seems like only terrible players play it

sullen drift
#

what about AM over bolster for m+

rigid elm
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And you probably have to pair that with [Unstoppable Force]

solemn magnet
#

Even with the wall you'll want to use bolster for m+, unless they're super low keys and not prog

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And ravager over ITF

heavy sail
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Depends

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I’d only use bolster if it’s necessary to have the extra defensive ability

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Which isn’t always, even at “high” keys

rigid elm
#

I feel like I'm able to stack pulls when [Last Stand] is up while using [Bolster]. Possibly I'm using it wrong

heavy sail
#

Potential DPS vs Potentjal Survivability

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Both are good for prog, it’s case by case on which will be better at any given time

solemn magnet
#

Getting SB on LS is also dps

rigid elm
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Admittedly I've only cleared 8s, looking to do 11s or 12 this week

heavy sail
#

You could be doing 8’s in really any talent build

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Not that you shouldn’t optimize or whatever

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It just doesn’t matter much

rigid elm
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Looking to practice for the eventual 15 I guess

sullen drift
#

one more question. necrolord will be better for us in the next patch?

solemn magnet
#

It will be, but no one how good

heavy sail
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Hard to say

rigid elm
#

So they say. I feel like the spear is so good for kiting, on top of the dps+rage

sullen drift
#

i mean... 400 mastery and 40% shield is pretty good

heavy sail
#

Beyond good

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400 mastery is potentially like

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Absurd

rigid elm
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Not to mention the potions

heavy sail
#

Kyrian’s great and will continue to be

rigid elm
#

Also, cute little owl buddy following along with a trumpet can't be ignored

heavy sail
#

But 400 mastery buff to your dungeon DPS, in the right comp and with CDs

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Would make warrior by far the highest DPS tank

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It won’t “feel” as good, considering that you won’t be the primary benefactor of that CD

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But it’s insane for sure

sullen drift
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and with necrolord you take a badass transmg too 😄

rigid elm
#

Someday maybe Venthyr will be BiS and we can get the BiS transmog :p

heavy sail
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Too early to say if the Prot meta will shift with Necro being good.

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But I’m excited to have another relevant covenant choice at least

indigo pumice
#

and its interesting cause alot of comps actually lack a necrolord in the group so key groups would have deversity there

wanton condor
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If they make their resto go Venthyr yeah

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But nl buffs are kind of weak compared to the other ones

quartz cape
#

is anyone else having trouble with plater at the moment

solemn magnet
#

My plater plates got super sparkly this week without changing anything. Not sure what that's about.

quartz cape
#

mine isnt showing im not sure what I have done wrong

glossy needle
#

Too bad necro still looking useless for pvp purposes

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I like that I can play prot pve and arms pvp as kyrian

urban portal
#

necro doesnt look that bad for pvp tbh

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i mean its not like

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amazing

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but the speed seems good and mastery on boomie is a poggers

upbeat valve
#

as a zandalari troll what Loa do you all think i should use?

unique shale
#

yo guys

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i have problem with my ui

chilly brook
unique shale
#

no

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you can't move and that's bad

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it is better for weeks/dung where you can face tank

chilly brook
#

It's a pretty generous circle

unique shale
#

i have problem with my ui i could see pool and aoe damages radius but now i can't

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where can i turn it on

chilly brook
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And you should have tools enough to be able to sit in it for the duration

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

unique shale
unique shale
chilly brook
#

nope

unique shale
#

@chilly brook [Token of Appreciation] and [Wasteland Propriety] look fun which one are you going to take ?

chilly brook
#

Maybe Particle Density and Projected textures

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would fix your issue

unique shale
chilly brook
#

and atm idk

sudden kayak
#

has any one tried using the revenge talent for prot warrior or we should go with booming voice

plush relic
#

What is the party interrupt tracker that Plka uses?

sick sentinel
#

whats it look like

plush relic
ionic fern
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OmniCD probably.

plush relic
#

Okay, ill take a look. Thanks a bunch!

upbeat valve
#

Does demoralizing shout generate aggro?

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/wa

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Lmao oops

lavish oracle
#

Is there an interrupt/cd tracker that'll track CD reduction?

#

Like mage crits reducing combust CD or the conduit that lowers their kick CD?

ocean bloom
#

if everyone has omniCD it works for that

lavish oracle
#

Ah, well, I guess I can just get my mage friend to get omni CD for that, then, haha, doesn't come up as much for other classes

young oasis
#

Guys, anyone tried Memory of past Sins for pure DPS and logs? Just got 226 version.

jagged pier
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sim it

chilly brook
#

@young oasis why you trynna call me?

young oasis
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Mistake

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Didnt locked phone, its in pocket

urban portal
#

how are prot stat weights determined if you cant sim it?

jagged pier
#

there are no stat wieghts simmings only for dps and literally anyone can do it

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if u want the stat weights

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its ilvl >>>>>>>>>> haste >> vers>= crit >mastery

fathom sluice
#

@plush relic looks like exorsus Raid tools

plush relic
#

Okay thanks !

sand condor
#

the titans have smiled upon me

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both me and my dk friend got a trial in a 6/10 guild right as our guild is imploding

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and there's a good chance i can even play prot again

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woo!

sweet summit
#

Grats! Well deserved

dry spear
#

prot...so good. hf!

clever shuttle
#

Hey, whats the best legendary to make first? The wall or Thunderlord?

sweet summit
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Both are great. If youre looking to do more raiding than m+ i recommend the wall. If youre not really raiding and mostly doing just m+ it doesnt really matter

sand condor
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last i checked thunderlord = pog dps, wall = shield wall on a 2 minute cooldown

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pick what you want

spice shadow
#

How's the Hymnal Trinket? I've got a 203 but also have 220 Emitter and Heraldry. I guess i'm sacrificing 73 strength for a proc chance for damage/heals

strong forum
#

hymnal does big dick dmg

sweet summit
#

You have a 203 hymnal??!

spice shadow
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I do. Got it in a calling

sweet summit
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The gods have blessed you, i see

spice shadow
#

Ok so that settles that then haha

dry spear
dry spear
spice shadow
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I think it was a purple, was a few days ago now so cannot be sure, sorry

warped dock
#

What trinkets to search for? I only wanna m+

strong forum
#

field emitter, blood scale

bitter crest
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Clearly Hakkar

jagged pier
#

hymnal

bitter crest
#

Im using 203 emitter and 200 blood scale. Im running only 14-15+, never have seen them drop since.

warped dock
#

Ty

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For the quick reply

valid zodiac
#

Is Signet the best legendary to use if I ever want to do some off content as Arms but its also a legendary that would serve me as prot?

ebon hound
#

It does not really serve you as prot, unfortunately

#

It only works off of Avatar

dark lark
#

Silly question- those of you planning on switching Necro in 9.0.5, are you guys going to switch the week before to try and catch up on Renown? Or just switch the day the rework is live?

bitter crest
#

Give up the Phial? And the Spear? Nooo! 😄

ebon hound
#

Switching same day as it goes live usually means raid-day for a lot of people, I guess if some were to switch they'd switch after the last raid of the week is done

clever shuttle
#

sorry to my response above, main fury - already have signet and deathmaker and rank 4, wanting a prot legendary. going to be using just for M+ as im fury in our raid. What do you suggest? its a tough choice between the 2, The wall and Thunderlord, both seem very strong..

bitter crest
#

I have crafted both but like the wall way more. But its personal preference.

ebon hound
valid zodiac
#

i crafted thunderlord 1st but ended up liking the wall more

strong forum
#

same

plush relic
#

Same, the SS rage gain feels more fluid imo

deft vessel
#

same, though I think it has something to do with the natural m+ progression and how as you climb higher over time the wall starts feeling more valuable/is safer

kind plover
#

how will the necrolord rework do for prot warriors? since the mastery from avatar in bfa was super good (from what i've heard) this change should be good too, no?

strong forum
#

if youre after budget bom, then Pelagos Kyrian or Niya NF is 10x better

kind plover
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bom?

strong forum
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mastery from avatar

kind plover
#

oh ok thanks

clever shuttle
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Cheers guys

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Run angermanagment with The wall? or keep Bolster?

strong forum
#

for m+ bolster

ebon hound
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Always Bolster

strong forum
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in raid i perma run AM for now, maybe i wont run it on council, will see

jagged pier
#

can confirm bolster is very helpful on council

clever shuttle
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Alright, so going the wall and continuing to run bolster, cheers guys ❤️

ripe sand
#

Has anyone played around with the seismic lego? Thoughts on it?

jagged pier
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good damage if u take BSC

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but u loose all defensive value

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and a defensive talent

scenic crown
#

what cov. is best in m+?

jagged pier
#

kyrian or nightfae

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your choice

scenic crown
#

ty

sudden kayak
#

is it ok to use the revenge talent instead of booming voice or do most people never use the revenge talent

sweet summit
#

Its good for pure damage, but has no defensive value

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In m+

sudden kayak
#

i seem to have good rage for ignore pain but what tends to happen to me is outside of ravager and spear i loose aggro on very high damaging characters so i started to use revenge talent but im not sure if any one was doing it

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i seem to have good threat*

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i mean outside of ravager and spear i lose aggro when i dont have spear

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but my tankiness is very good with ignore pain

sweet summit
#

People have been playing around with it, but bv is still considered better in most situations

sudden kayak
#

yea

remote dawn
#

lose aggro? demo shout and clap

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and when one mob run away spott ^^

sudden kayak
#

do you guys spam all your rotation into one guy and let your self cleave or do you tab target to get it all even

sweet summit
#

Both

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Most of the time im fine maintargeting one guy

ionic fern
#

I only tab target if there's a mage ST bursting down something in a AoE pack and i need to taunt it.

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👀

sweet summit
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But sometimes i gotta swap here and there

sudden kayak
#

ok thats what i was thinking to i got get out of the habbit making 1 guy the main guy and cleaving i have to learn to tab target i know it sounds funny lol but i think it will be a game changer

ionic fern
#

But..why?

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Like 99.9% of the time you are fine by just having 1 guy as your target and doing your rotation properly.

sudden kayak
#

not sure when i dont have ravager and spear i lose aggros on the next pull upcoming

ionic fern
#

Then you are doing something wrong with your rotation or your DPS players are not giving you a few globals to grab aggro.

sudden kayak
#

yea

ionic fern
#

Even with no CD's you can double revenge in the beginning of a pack and aggro shouldn't be a issue.

sudden kayak
#

kk

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i recently put a conduit in my potency its where u revenge your clap hits a bit harder

ionic fern
#

That's not a game changer.

sudden kayak
#

yea i think if that then its my rotation

jaunty vector
#

any blanket tips for feeling reallllly squishy?

ripe valve
#

when I started using revenge a bit more, threat stopped being an issue

sudden kayak
#

ok im guna use revenge more often

ionic fern
sweet summit
sudden kayak
#

okay

ionic fern
#

Squishy where tho? Raids? M+?

blazing gale
#

get a hunter/rouge to your party for tricks/md

sudden kayak
#

ty for helpijng me find the issue on my character im guna use revenge more

blazing gale
#

if you play with mage keep In mind he will be combusting highest hp target

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you can put it on focus for fast taunts or w/e

ripe valve
#

I was reading the guide that said only use revenge when its free and mobs where running around like headless chickens 😄

sweet summit
#

👀

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Which guide

ripe valve
#

icy veins ? dont remember where i read it

sudden kayak
#

new fix for my character go back to boom and just use revenge more

upbeat needle
#

Also seems like a good starting point, you can hinder yourself big time spending rage on revenge. With experience you will get a feeling for when you can put in extra revenges

ripe valve
#

well true, as I said, use revenge a bit more , not all the time 😛

ionic fern
blazing gale
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think wowhead said only use free revenge in 8.3

sand condor
#

you could always press condem to spend rage ZOOMEReyes

jagged pier
#

cant press condemn on aoe tho or between 80 and 20%

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cause dont have SD as a talent 🤷

livid granite
#

hello guys i am 216 dps warr , at this point i am thinking to switch to tank to get my ksm cause i am getting declined on all my tried to join +13 with 1k rio

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how its going for prot

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can prot warrior finish all +15s

lofty widget
#

yes, easily

livid granite
#

what is the best healer for warr from your experience

sweet summit
#

Spec doesnt play a major role imo

sick sentinel
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Any healer that is played by a decent player

sudden kayak
#

yea it was def revenge more and now everything is fine

sick sentinel
#

It can be a resto druid or Paladin, but if the player is trash, no good

livid granite
#

what is the best 3 dps classes i can invite into my keys , definitely i wont inv any dps warr cause i never got invited

sick sentinel
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Any good player

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If youre going for the "meta", my boy

median tulip
#

To a certain extent it depends on the instance and the composition of the rest of the party too; some dungeons you really want the ability to cure certain status debuffs

sick sentinel
#

You are not meta

ripe sand
jagged pier
#

fury is really strong in keys

livid granite
#

@ripe sand man i am crying blood to join groups i am everytime top overall damage i dont die to fire easily sorry i dont wanna brag myself but when i want to push keys not a single group invite me i am always getting declined .

jagged pier
#

welcome to playing a dps

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it wont be much better as prot ither if u dont hae the score tbh

livid granite
#

@jagged pier i even pre pot before bosses which i doubt anyone here is doing

jagged pier
#

so people dont see that in group finder

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they se 216

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if theres a 220 signing up

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with higher score

#

why would they take you, sorry but dps is so over saturated it will take a while to find keys

#

you just have to keep applying

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last teir i was plaaying fury and got KSM like week 2 or some shit still took me like half an hour to find groups

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and even as prot now with like 50+ intime 15s or some shit still takes time

#

cause community perception

livid granite
#

i play warrior for 10 years man

jagged pier
#

ive played it longe

#

still means nothing in group finder

#

if your sturggling to get gorups you can always make your own

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🤷

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its what i do

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or i just ask my guild

livid granite
#

@jagged pier exactly i tried your advise i said make my own key , i tried that for 3 days jakey and believe me i had time where i wait 2 hours for a tank and he never pops up i even relist mulitple time with no response that is why finally i decided to be the tank cause as you said dps are way much

normal lodge
#

anybody tried the mythic council kite thing as a warrior with the leaper legendary maybe?

sweet summit
#

Doubt you really need leaper

ripe sand
normal lodge
#

we cleared it with our monk and he already struggled. next week he wont be there so we're discussing alternatives

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either DH or Warrior to kite the add

modern tundra
#

Unless your team has crazy dps I doubt you can do it without leapers

livid granite
#

just a question ; in this kiting meta , how as a prot warrior can you keep high threat on mobs while running out

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i feel we lose aggro faster

modern tundra
#

I have no problem kiting on anything from 15-18, have not gone higher yet

livid granite
#

@modern tundra do you have videos

modern tundra
#

No sorry I Don't :( don't feel like I would be a good guide maker or anything hehe

livid granite
#

what is the best legandry you advise me to run just to get my KSM , i am running the Wall rn @modern tundra

restive wigeon
#

wall is fine

modern tundra
restive wigeon
#

not as good as thunderlord with booming voice imo but fine

jagged pier
#

u run BV all the time anywy

sick sentinel
#

@livid granite watch Plka

modern tundra
#

I feel the wall is a more safe/ defensive pick but thunderlord has more potential for sure

restive wigeon
#

eh the defensive value of thunderlord is pretty good as well

#

demo shout is on such a low cd and the rage adds to more ips

#

pretty strong

sick sentinel
#

doesnt it fuck up the line-up with Avatar?

restive wigeon
#

im playing AM and spamming avatar on cd anyways

sick sentinel
#

I know

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Same

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still, they line up pretty nicely

jagged pier
#

yikes your blocked hits must be terrible

sick sentinel
#

if DS gets reduced, wont it fuck it up?

modern tundra
#

Thunderlord is most likely going to be the nr1 for m+ in 9.1 with the scaling

restive wigeon
#

well yeh of course the line up wont be perfect when you reduce both avatar and ds with every button

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ds is up so often its quite insane sometimes

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depends on pull size obviously

outer solstice
native mesa
#

Concerning Raids: Icy Veins says Mastery>Crit and Wowhead says Crit>Mastery..is it close? Is one an error?

outer solstice
#

eeeee

#

you sure looking at prot?

modern tundra
#

stack haste vers, whatever else you find doesnt really matter, crit is better for m+

outer solstice
#

pretty sure you were not looking at icyveins

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or not at prot

native mesa
#

Yeah, the top part has Mastery>crit

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under "The general stat priority"

jagged pier
#

different stats are better in different situations bestween crit and mastery there is like zero difference

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same pretty much if u put vers into the mix its slightl better not much

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haste is by far our best stat

native mesa
#

kk thats sort of what i figured.

outer solstice
#

yeah don't bother wheater a stat is 3rd or 4th best

native mesa
#

Yeah im aware of haste>verse> everything else. just curious since they both said different things

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😄

jagged pier
#

like u should drop haste vers or haste pieces of armour for lke a 5 ilvl upgrade casue the ilvl is just better

outer solstice
#

if in doubt

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trust into IV

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it's maintained by someone from here

native mesa
#

was more or less curious for a situation where i had to choose. like buying sinful gear if i had to choose between haste mastery or haste crit

jagged pier
#

which ever has more haste

outer solstice
#

well it really doesn't matter

native mesa
#

its my alt anyways. I main BM and just having fun on warrior

rancid musk
#

Hello! So I main an arms warrior but am going to be tanking for my raid group for the foreseeable future and I have a few questions on prot specifically the talents. For raid and being relatively new to tanking with that talents on the last 2 rows is into the fray helping with rage management? Or would ravager be a better choice and also with the final row the guides from wowhead and icy veins say that anger management is better but a lot of guides I found on YouTube are arguing that bolster feels better and thoughts?

native mesa
#

Into the fray 100%

ionic fern
native mesa
#

And you basically answered your own question on the last one . its kinda situational

ionic fern
#

Bolster is for m+ and a more defensive play when you'd need more SB uptime.
AM is for a more agressive approach.
In really easy way..
Bolster = M+, AM = Raids.
Ravager=M+, ItF = Raids.

rancid musk
#

Ok makes! sense sorry to ask I just am trying to not get my raid group killed lol cuz how I set it up last week was wrong

native mesa
#

yeah, if youre worried about dying go Bolster but if its just normal and you arent getting crushed, AM is fine

signal plover
#

*dying to blockable dmg 😉

distant iris
#

Related talenting question.. I've seen some discussion around the fact that without unstoppable force/AM, the Thunderlord legendary isn't nearly as valuable - thoughts? I would like to keep bolster, but I like the idea of having better UT on demo shout

jagged pier
#

where did u hear that discussion

distant iris
#

Right now I'm running Thunderlord, but I've made the wall as well

jagged pier
#

u never run UF

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you run the same talents for ither leggo

distant iris
#

wowhead warr guide (and that's what I heard here - never use UF!)

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It's annoying that you can't sim mitigation 😦

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but it's not the same obviously

#

Because tbh I love bolster, it is an amazing buff to LS

oblique pike
#

is there a macro or somethign that i can use for shadowcore oil? when i have low duration on it, i can't put a new one on unless i take off my shield

jagged pier
#

if u have an off hand or a shield u have to manually reapply becasue it will try and put it on the off hand or shield

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if u have like 2 mins left

oblique pike
#

how do you manually reapply

jagged pier
#

u can make a macro to unequip your sheild i guess

#

u click the oil

distant iris
#

Just right click the potion and click the weapon

jagged pier
#

and u clikc on your wep

oblique pike
#

right clicking the potion auto tries to put it on your weapon

#

it doesnt give me like... a targeting cursor or anything

jagged pier
#

then just click off the buff

oblique pike
#

you cant click off buff

jagged pier
#

u can

#

in the top right corner of your ui

#

you can clikc off any buff u want

#

i do it all the time

#

for oil

oblique pike
#

maybe its an addon thing, but i can't for the oil. i can for any other buff (am doing it with battle shout)

#

and i cant /cancelaura Shadowcore Oil

distant iris
#

"In AoE situations, when using the standard setup of Booming Voice/ Unstoppable Force/ Anger Management, this Legendary increases your Demoralizing Shout uptime from ~17% to an average of ~40%. **That's terrific, but it does require both being in AoE and using that specific talent setup. **If you are not using Booming Voice, then this bonus is essentially pointless. If you are not using the other two talents, then this bonus winds up being considerably weaker, and arguably not competitive with the more versatile The Wall setup."

^ This is the part from the Wowhead warr article btw, I would tend to agree it's probably wrong, even with 6s cooldown on Thunderclap, it's still going to cut off 4.5s every 6 seconds

#

so it increases uptime, just not to the degree that it would during avatar with UF

jagged pier
#

it has synergy yes

#

but u have to take UF

#

so its instantly not worth it

#

i think Nome got the guy to update the wow head guide or at least told him it was out of date

#

if your looking for a guide please read icy veins

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as its written by an actual prot main

distant iris
#

g2k

modern brook
#

Oh is wowhwad why eveyone thinks uf is worth playing?

jagged pier
#

yes

modern brook
#

as of january looks like they updated the talent section at least

oblique nymph
#

Good afternoon ladies & gents, decided to come back to WoW for this Expan. Is Verst stacking still a thing for prot warrior, or was it scrapped with the removal of the corruptions etc?

jagged pier
#

it never was a thing

oblique nymph
#

Ofcourse it was.

jagged pier
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no it wasnt

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was community perception that thought u needed to it

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u never had to

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unless u did like +30 keys

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i ran TD or ineff or leech for the memes

oblique nymph
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I said still a thing, Not a must. So is it Haste prio more so?

jagged pier
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ilvl

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then haste

oblique nymph
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Roger, cheers mate.

midnight jetty
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Would you guys use a 213 crit haste belt from raid or a 210 haste vers belt?

jagged pier
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probably

midnight jetty
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ahh shit sorry im retarded, looked at wrong one

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belt is a 210 vers maste with socket or the crit haste 213 belt

jagged pier
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socket is like 10 ilvls

remote dawn
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yep go socket

midnight jetty
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Ok ty

tardy parcel
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fairly confident at this point that i'm going to get a 226 Scale in my vault the last reset before 9.1

sick sentinel
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i got a choice between the spare meat hook and this shit literallytrash

strong forum
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stygia

outer solstice
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yep

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750 > 0

edgy burrow
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What would you pick?
223 Viscera of Coalesced Hatred vs 220 Crit/Haste Shield
Both are +26 ilvl upgrade

jagged pier
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shield

strong forum
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shield

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not even a choice, if shield, always shield

edgy burrow
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Ty

sick sentinel
strong forum
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idk, a pvp leggo, a meme leggo or a fun leggo

sick sentinel
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kings if i ever run LFR to get to it to drops comes to mind immediately but i mean is whatevr i guess

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unbreakable says "party" and so dealing with enough internet bullshit and "read the fine print" have to assume is only party, and thus probably is a total waste,
kings or leaper mostl likely i figure,

haughty sleet
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would anyone drop a 210 crit/haste ring for a 226 crit/mastery ring

strong forum
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i wouldnt

haughty sleet
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other option is pvp legs which would be an upgrade when i get to 1800

fickle timber
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so im looking at my vault, and they are both 226 rings

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ring 1: 128 crit, 86 haste, ring 2: 65 crit, 121 mastery and a socket

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do i take the socket and gem 16 haste?

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or take the crit haste ring

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crit mastery+ socket is the move right?

median tulip
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That doesn't add up; rings of the same ILvl should have the same total secondary stats

fickle timber
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those are the stats

strong forum
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take the haste one, sockets you can buy

fickle timber
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fair

strong forum
median tulip
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Yeah, take the one with more secondary stats

amber herald
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people actually do maw content?

fickle timber
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IKR, guess i have no choice

median tulip
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Maw is EZ

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Just kill rares every day; that's the fastest rep and Stygia gain for minimum time invested

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Well rares, special encounters, dailies etc

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You can be done with it in about 45 minutes. Especially at busy times when you can just tag mobs and leech kills

flat marten
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is inscrutable quantum device any good for m+ prot? its between that or the crit/mastery trailspinner pendant neck this week at 226

jagged pier
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sounds like 750 stygia to me

flat marten
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oof 😦 I guess I probably take the necklace before that since I'm only using a 220 neck atm?

karmic plinth
cinder frigate
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7 ilvl on weapon, 13 on cloak, or move from just aaaaawful trinkets to at least good one that's a 7 ilvl upgrade? Thoughts?

deft vessel
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7 weapon

chilly brook
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Weapon

deft vessel
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like

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it's not even a question

cinder frigate
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That's where I was headed too, but wanted confirmation.

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The trinket situation is pretty dire.

serene urchin
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I have a particularly shitty vault (so I think) and could use some advice. I have my own thoughts but was hoping I could get some thoughts from you guys (both for guidance and a sanity check). Currently, i'm sitting at 21% crit, 20% haste, 19% Master and 9% Vers. (I'm trying to eventually pick up more vers and shed something else, but not sure of my path forward, whether it be take a weird vault item and farm +12's for itemization or something else).

chilly brook
serene urchin
chilly brook
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Nvm

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This isn't even a question

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Go with the gloves

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Stop thinking in terms of stat %

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Take ilvl upgrades

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Worry about your secondary stats when you have multiple 226 pieces in the same slot

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Because they dont matter compared to ilvl

tardy parcel
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yeah that's a ginormo ilvl upgrade for a primary armor piece

serene urchin
# chilly brook Nvm

Thanks for roping me back in, I've just been back about 2 months after a break of several years and I guess I still have an old mindset. My endgame is picking up more vers but I'm guessing the proper strat is ilevel in main slots until you're ilevel locked (can't get any higher gear as you suggested) then focus on rings/neck and itemization once higher ilevel is unachievable.

torn gulch
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ilvl>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>haste>>>>>>crit/vers>mastery

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i think that's the consensus

chilly brook
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^

lavish oracle
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I feel like there's probably less > between haste and the others

cinder storm
torn gulch
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ok yeah i forgot the shield

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my bad

serene urchin
torn gulch
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what shield do you have?

patent osprey
torn gulch
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wtf

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are you for real

blazing condor
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is prot generally more safe albeit slow for TC?

cinder storm
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damn good stuff

patent osprey
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das alot of haste

cinder storm
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slaps ring

flat marten
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Does the Ilvl > all hold true for neck/ring?

blazing condor
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also wtf pika

torn gulch
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highest haste ring ingame

serene urchin
patent osprey
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no 233 wep though sadge

blazing condor
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not even a 233 socket wep LUL

patent osprey
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also no cheat death trinket

torn gulch
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that's like 6.3% haste including socket and enchant

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kekw

distant iris
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So this week.. fortified, sanguine, grievous. I haven't done grievous before, looks like a difficult affix?

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esp for fights where it was already a healing intensive fight

mossy sluice
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def stresses healers more but its not too bad

serene urchin
chilly brook
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But you're not gonna die or be less effective realistically because you took a 213 neck with crit/mast over a 207 neck with haste/vers

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And more stats is considered better than more optimal stats

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

mellow patio
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Neck is a slot where I’ll choose a significant stat upgrade over 6 ilvls

ionic fern
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There's more play room with the ilvl there..e.g you don't want to drop 50 ilvls worth of stats etc.

dire cradle
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you'd always take it on a weapon thought right? I'm agruing with a prot war in my guild whos saying they'd rather have good secondaries on a mh

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I'm used to all physical weapon classes taking weapon ilvl

chilly brook
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You would 100% take an ilvl upgrade on a weapon

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Tf

chilly brook
dire cradle
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thats what i thought

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probably not going to change the dudes mind though

chilly brook
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Lol I mean

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Could always just find a better player

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Or better yet point him to this discord

sweet summit
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☝️

hard lodge
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How do you guys feel about the necro changes comming? Think itll be good for prot?

sweet summit
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looks better now

cosmic oasis
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support spec 🙏

coarse kestrel
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always wanted to be a warrior-bard

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really though last update i heard was it's too early to tell

hard lodge
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I feel like the 400 mastery and move speed is good and the dmg reduction while channeling fleshcraft as another defensive cd

mossy sluice
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i could see channeling fleshcraft disabling dodge/block/parry while its active

coarse kestrel
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supposedly you still have block while channeling it

mossy sluice
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thats really good then

raven turret
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is venthyr prot okay for high level m+ keys?

sweet summit
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ye

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plka is owning as venthyr

hard lodge
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I mean, we can still activate SB and IP while Bladestorming so why nto FLeshcraft

raven turret
distant iris
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For mordretha - does anyone hold their cooldowns until the manifest death adds come up?

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or just use them on cooldown?

remote hawk
mighty valley
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vault choices... 3 ilvl legs upgrade vs. 6 ilvl ring upgrade, roughly same stat spread. hmm

solemn magnet
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Legs~

brisk rain
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at what ilvl is item without vers better than with vers?

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cuz I don't know what gloves to use

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213ilvl sludge or 226 boe from raid

mighty valley
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went with legs, they're basically bis

solemn magnet
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I'd go with 226 gloves. 13ilvl is a lot

mighty valley
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also got offered a 226 stitchflesh ring would be cool if I didn't get a 226 stitchflesh ring last week lmao

clever bronze
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I've got a laundry list of trinkets, anyone mind helping me out? Trying to figure out which ones are the best for each spec and sell the ones I don't need.

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If I had to take a wild stab, it'd between the Core, Spike, and Frond.

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But maybe the damage is super powerful on some of these and it's worth not getting lukewarm tanking effects?

chilly brook
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Spike and anima

clever bronze
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Also worth note that the tooltips for % gains are off. Because the addon hasn't been updated.

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It's using BFA math.

clever bronze
# chilly brook Spike and anima

Are you sure the anima field is better than the frond? I'd think on-demand and not having positional requirements would make it pretty good.

chilly brook
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The what?

clever bronze
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Not all of the previews are showing, btw.

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That means click the links.

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There's more trinkets than exist in the previews.

chilly brook
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You expect me to go through every link to figure out which one isn't showing?

clever bronze
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<Sigh>

coarse kestrel
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oh my

clever bronze
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There

chilly brook
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In that case

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Still anima

clever bronze
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The previews that don't show are in order, so it'd just be the last three trinkets. I didn't wanna make a tower of previews, but I guess making people not click links is better than the mild visual tower.

chilly brook
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And either memory or spike

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Anima procs a lot