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yea that haste is bonkers 😄
I had sooooo many ilvl 200 trinkets
are there WAs that show who has what weapons in wake
like next to pframes or something
Got 210 barricade with leech wohoo
condemn has a tendency to pull aggro off the other tank for me
big crit conmns are nice
does the dmg prevention part of condemn crit?
Fueled by violence kinda lacking right?
this is why i love you paw
😳
Among 213 Gluttonous Spike 213 Heart of Al'ar and 220 Stone Legion Heraldry, what 2 trikets do you guys reccomend I use in m+? Do I need other people to have the stone legion trink for it to be worth it?
bloodscale and anime emitter
ya it sucks poop
that was on heroic huntsman
oh wait all of the fights that night that i tried it actually
even if they're 197?
<3
gotcha, thanks!
Is gluttonous better than emitter paired with sanguination trinket from denathrius? I don't have scale yet :(
is pelagos our best option for soulbind?
Yeh pelagos is very strong
Kleia is actually seksy on necro weeks with the immunity
yeah i already was gonna use kleia on necrotic weeks
just for overall was wondering if pelagos was our best otuside of that
Ya
I think you mean in general
Thick thighs save lives


No I'm mistaken
We are always talking about thighs here
I don't think owlboi even has a trait to meme around with.
Bron is still terrible afaik
Thiccc thighs best
When they add Kyrian I'm gonna have to race change
So is necrolord going to be a good pick with the upcoming changes to fleshcraft?
Am I the only one to believe in higj keys prot dmg is the shit compared to others?
The shit or is shit?
Is shit
Oh ok.
Srry translated in my native language it made sense as I wrote it
Depends
Overall prot damage isn't in the greatest spot
NP, I'm not max level yet so I couldn't say
100% lowest damage tank in single target
But so far damage doesn't seem to be a strong suit
Have you considered improving

It's just the numbers mang
We're better than blood though in keys from an overall standpoint
Seem roughly equivalent to bears in overall damage
Behind monk, DH and pally
You sure about that? Looking at tanks pushing high keys if i am not mistaken there are more bloods than prots, should not this indicate blood is overall better?
Talking about damage
But tbh prot has a better toolkit for pushing keys than blood does
Blood just has a higher representation because it's always had a high representation
blood has a great toolkit, what does prot bring really that's better?
You're just a better tank lol
war easier dmg profile for healing
Blood hasn't been a great tank for m+ since post s1 nerf of BFA
bdk was great through nighthold
i havent geared my bdk so i dunno how great they are as tank. I know as a healer they've always been annoying as hell to heal
never know when a spike means soon to die or about to self heal
What does "a better tank" mean?
A tank that its better
Less prone to "random" deaths
also, were they good in S1 of BfA?
Yes
thought they had ended in pre-patch
They were the meta for s1
hmmm
Bonestorm was nuts
They got a bonestorm, armor, WotN and I think death strike nerf after s1
Has there been info on how this boneboy buff will affect Prot?
Wait and seeeeee
Im over here peeping out my blinds lol
It's a step up from the previous iteration but for your average m+/raiding person it will most likely still fall behind Kyrian/NF.
The 30% DR is nice if you can use it efficiently.
The mastery buff on a 2m CD on yourself is fine but Pelagos/Niya provide mastery on a lot shorter CD's.
The mastery buff on your 2 nearest allies can be good if played around with..e.g fire mage/boomy on their CD's.
It's still early on so we have to wait and see if they change something else with Necro to make it even more appealing.
i dont like their soulbinds
Jeah, that's definitely a down side. Plus the 2m CD doesn't really align up with anything we have.
It's still a lot better than it was before so that's good.
who knows maybe next tier has a bunch of adds that can proc all their "when you defeat an enemy" shit
did they? talking about the soulbinds, stuff like emeni - gnashing chompers, gain 3% haste for 10 sec after defeating an enemy up to 15%
oh i thought you were talking about the glory mechanic
yeah its possible those can get better
but that's very niche
is anyone venthyr?
Yes
which soulbind do you run?
i was thinking of doing nadja with dauntless duelist for raid
Been using theotar because nadjia is for fury
I was using theo, just started to try out draven
How’s venthyr in raid? Thinking of switching
Is the damage reduction from condemn noticeable
idk how noticeable it is, but you will almost always use condemn instead of IP to spend rage against 1 target
Hey I chose not to reroll and just stick with warrior ok

Imo its far more effective anyways, since it refunds rage when it doesn't kill
In strictly single target that is
Spear is annoying me lately and I want to push in pvp
Plus I can be a parse monkey in mythic I guess
Definitely is but condemn can be so oppressive
Hmmmm, can u reflect another warrior's condemn?
Oof dat council tho
I finally managed an orange on sire on a carry run the other day
I was NF btw if you were wondering
Inerva was our first kill
Xymox most of the raid was dead
Sun king I dunno how to improve my log, I was like 98th% on boss dmg
Xymox is super scuffed for parse if you're the tank leaping out right when the hero burn pops off
Sun king is dumb pad fight
Also doesn't count so whatever
Sun king and council I just wipe from my list of caring
I am that tank
Tanks must work together so the other can parse brother
You are a parsing team
My next kill I’m going to be pumping on xy
Not when ur raid is actually brain dead o. Artificer
Your parse is his parse
I wasn’t using am on that kill
Nah I told my cotank to get bent
Normally we scheme to the max
Hes a paladin
right now it feels easier to parse well on warrior vs other tanks because most warrior tanks don't press revenge for some reason
He could still get mid 90s and above while doing mechanics
And because there's not many of us lol
watching timers and rage is just too big an ask lol
Oh and I’m dog tank on huntsman feels bad man
why??
After like the 2nd kill its super ez
Just the way the cookie crumbled
To maximize damage
Also depending on his cotank he might be the best choice for dog
Monk
Ye
Oh I make our monk tank dog so I can game
Destroyer Mythic - do you taunt after each overwhelm or stick with the five stack taunt swap?
wouldn't monk still be better b/c paralyze?
Apparently xy is bad for monk too
Uhhh no
Works wonders for my gaming skillz
You just want the tank that wont take a huge hit in the dog
I took it over my pally cotank
Because SR every one and Wall is a super short CD
Taunt during the overwhelm cast to avoid big double melee memes. Also works out great for consume movement timing.
Rarely ever took more than 10% on each soul RIP
Come on bro you ain’t gonna let your healers parse
Tell them to be better
I see you’ve finally seen the light of the two day guild
Key to success: find good players and raid 2 days a week.
huh. in my raid the DH always takes them cause he has imprison. Dunno what DH magic dmg profile is like
3 day hardstuck 3/10 just was the straw that broke the back
They just heal it
Pretty good because brand
And they have like 15% passive magic DR
nice, guess that worked out by accident then lol
Yeah if you’re optimal dh is doing the dogs but then his parse bro
Always let the Chad spike bro parse otherwise why does he exist
meanwhile im a jackass parsing orange with a super easy job on that fight
Destroyer hurts a bit
If u WEAK
Destroyer honestly isn't bad
Most of the damage you block
And you have wall up for the ball run out quite a bit
I get some sweaty moments when my healers are running because expunge and Im tanking
Which is the only time I felt like I was in danger
Thanks
Ye wall during expunge
Are we not getting dimishing returns on taunt if we do it every 10 sec?
Taunt during overwhelm helps a lot with spikes, SR while u have expunge if actively tanking during it (if not then SR after and eat ball)
Ez pz
on heroic council, how many lunges do you take? the 4th lunge feels killer
I usually take 3
when only Stavros is up
good healers?
Eh
Hungering is just really about managing your CDs
Theres a lot of off time in terms of tanking
healer parses 🤡
Healer parses are just how much extra damage does the group take
Im a Joker
But we definitely had some weaker players
Tbf I think our druid died
I lied
None of the healers died except for one priest at the end
👀
Anyone of you guys ever tried the Revenge build with revenge Lego in m+ combined with the 9% extra Ignore pain on DMG? I imagine it to be nice aoe DMG buff to warrior.
Big dam
And converting DMG to heal absorb.
But it comes at a fairly sizable loss in tankyness
Like some people have been 25% higher running BSC+seismic+SoF
But it is a sizable tradeoff
Good for low tier content
And you're only getting the benefit on 3+ targets
Iirc
We have tried it since beta.
And yes, it deals more damage than the "regular" build obviously.
But a higher cooldown on shield wall is a to big tradeoff?
SoF?
Sorry what is SoF?
Its not just a higher cooldown on shield wall btw
honestly I might just build Seismic for next week just to fool around
Its a significant rage hit
and yeah, 5 less rage per shield slam is the big hit
You're losing out on BV and 5 extra rage from shield slam
Which is huge
You're spending rage at the same rate or higher but without anything to supplement it
Yeah I mean the cooldown reduction for shield wall is essential from the current wall Lego. Cause this is the only way we can handle big pulls in combination with Last stand ever 1min30 but I thought since we have a too big lag in DMG maybe we could get it with Revenge and 9% DMG to Ignore pain Lego to find a balance.
No it's not. On +17-18 we gotta do more.
Other tanks deal 5-10k DPS on big pulls. I get lucky to burst on 6 but in the End l fall down to 3
I deal more than 10k on big pulls. 👀
AHH I am not kyrian***
And I'm still doing 10k on big pulls as Venthyr
Strange. I have average item lvl 218 all haste and versa gear
^
Like actually no meme
Press revenge
Use rage
Not just free procs
Have to learn how to balance your survival and your damage
it's the riddle of steel
pLka
Plka is the current top prot warrior on io
is he our god?
is Pika EU?
need to check him out then
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Quick question. Do you need to land the killing blow to proc this, or simply participate in the kill? "Gnashing Chompers
Soulbind Ability
Gain 3% Haste for 10 sec after defeating an enemy, up to 15%"
I like this lol nice Conan ref
currently with Venthyr, any reason I should go to Kyrian? Not even Lv60 on my prot warrior, and I don't intend on doing anything beyond M0
zero reason to care then
Are you going to do PvP or something?
If M0 is your ceiling then It doesnt matter what you do really
M0 is a cake walk
Guys what’s easier for pushing keys in pug? Fortified or tyrannical?
@sick sentinel /wave
Fort 100%
@patent osprey You plan on releasing more commentary style videos? The one over Sanguine Depths was extremely helpful.
yeah, sorry T_T Chinese new year weekend + valentines day means no time to even get on comp haha
Happy lny btw
I've been watching your videos, you got yourself a fan now!!
what is the best cov for prot in m+? kyrian?
Yah
Hmm i Wonder how threat management will be in M+ high keys without kyrian on some pulls
Im prob going necrolord
Next patch
interesting is how I'd describe it
Yeah
gotta be a lot faster snapping up TC/revenge threat
Except tc does zero damage lol
^
DPS = threat
I don't use kyrian spear now and threat is fine ;)
and yeah the dps on TC is 😭
It depends on how efficient you are with target swapping
You charge in shieldslam one target
u don't ever condemn in aoe
Nah condemn is just bin in aoe
Revenge does more damage and ip is better for defense
"press revenge more" is kind of the meme here, but it really is the answer in that situation
Yeah obviously
But you charge in, shieldslam shieldblock revenge
I've Def lost aggro in that time
I just ravager and avatar
To my Mage going full bangarang with combust
And proc bladestorm with signet 🙂
I play Thunder lord
Rn I have no problems holding threat
Spear is a blessing
But when I go necrolord
monkaS
@patent osprey don't compare me with you plz, I ain't pro
I'm your average scrub
I have no idea how u can hold aggro on big pulls without spear
Maybe your DPS chills a couple of frames before popping all cooldowna
ravager, BV/demo shout, lots of revenge spam all help on the initial threat, if it's only one or two mobs, then condemn spam will happen
knowing pulls better helps too because you can get a better feel of when to pump and when to go defensive
when i go necrolord
You merely adopted the banner. I was born into it. Molded by it. I didnt get my first mythic invite till my ilevel was 220
you can see Pika's rotation just above his button bars
going into m council prog this reset, our tanks are myself and a guardian druid. I'll probably be the one to kite in last phase - how mandatory is the leaper leggo?
ravager on it;s own is probably fine for threat
@vague thistle ah good point, ill take a look at that
not mandatory but it helps a lot
does it make the rest of the fight significantly harder not having the wall or is the tank damage pretty manageable
tank damage is alright throughout, but you do want some good mit if you're the one tanking nik at the end
and externals
because ill have spare ash next week so if leaper striaght up makes the last phase easier than ill go down that path
Memory of Eonar, any prot warrior experiment with this?
sounds like a dead leggo
low chance on 10% DR 
and 5% dr for the group
pretty dead if you ask me
should i be running shadowcore oil or the sharpening stone?
no to stone
the proc does more dps anyways pretty sure and you also get added bonus for using ghostfire potion
simmed it just now on patchwork
the stone just isn't competitive
50 dps loss
for?
shadowcore oil and phantom fire vs stone and str pot
oh to clarify, stone was a 50 dps loss
i don't think str or phantom fire really makes a big difference, but im fairly certian u can sim pots too
yea thats what i did
Anyone know how to macro a mouseoverspell that if nothing is moused over it still casts the spell on whatever you're targeting?
i'd imagine phantom fire with the oil would be the best possible, but oil and str is fine too. just not really ever stam or armor potions
isnt that just a mouseover macro?
like.. if nothing is moused over it will still cast on whatever you have targetted
Some of them seem to break if i'm not mousing over something
add ; spell
to the end
with spell being whatever it is you are using in the macro
so for example a mouseover execute macro should end in ; Execute
this basically means "if none of the other conditions are met, then do this"
I know this is warrior discord
but i was playing with my macros for rogue
so here is what i'm using and it seems to break
#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,nodead][@player] Shadowstep ; Shadowstep
i don't know much about rogue stuff anymore but why is that @karmic rivet in there
that targets yourself
that whole part doesn't need to be there
just the target mouseover brackets
take out the [@karmic rivet] entirely
should I run Hold Your Ground or 3 endurance + superior tactics
that worked!
thank you
i honestly wonder why the player thing is in there
does PVP break it maybe?
i gotta find an enemy player to try it on
yyup works on enemies still
they're still not @karmic rivet, which is just you
is @karmic rivet targetting yourself?
yes
i know about all that because of ravager for warrior, so that brings me to the only conclusion i can think of
does shadowstep have a talent or other thing that turns it into another ability, like bladestorm into ravager
that would be ground-casted
like that uh, the leap from the sky ability
finisher
or something like that
that's all i got
pugging is rough sometimes, 3 failed ToP +6 attempts today, one of which was a 40+ death masterpiece
Ah your magnum opus
for two of those, I was near the top DPS, incredibly frustrating
prot warriors are not DPS machines 😐
ilvl198 is plenty high enough for +6?
It's more than enough lol
I think you even drop 197ilvl gear in that difficulty? Not sure, but even at average level it is more than enough
You were really unlucky with your dps group i guess
I feel like other than mordretha, and gorechop, the entire place is easy
Ppl where pushing 15s at 200 ilvl
You don't need alot of gear for most keys
It most certainly helps but you don't need as much as you'd think
Worst thing that will happen is you deplete a key
This was my last group, wiped on mordretha 3 times (at least some of that was me I'm sure) - mage was 206 ilvl
I remember tanking a +10 with 194ish ilvl, theater of pain too, and the only thing that would really scare me was the last boss scythe spell
This was with lust
Then i learned about spell reflecting it
And then that boss became laughably easy lol
I really wish spell reflect was up for 100% of those, but yeah it's a neat trick that I'm glad I know now xD
None of those DPS are pulling their weight
715 dps shadow priest
idk if I'm crazy, I wanted to run TOP so I was running any key with it, but I can't handle people doing under 1k dps in a +6
This is the overall 😐
Yea this sucks, but I wouldn't give this much weight. Most players are trash until like +14/+15 level, and even then its only slightly less of a crapshoot
That SPriest should quit the game
Even at +14/15 it's a coin flip
Took me an hour and a half to get a +14 (cleared all 13 and most 14) and despite having fotm class players we wiped the key in less than 15 minutes.
But it also took me 15 minutes to get into a +14 that was super smooth too
im assuming for M+ we use ravager right?
I'll keep trying anyway, I +2'd and very nearly +3'd a +6 SOA today, group wasn't even crazy just had all people at 2-3k dps and a good healer. Given the right people, things are way easier
Yessir, ravager for M+
cool thanks
Is there ever any consideration for [In To The Frey] over [Ravager] in m+? I know the conventional thought is that the extra rage is irreplaceable, but the shield block recharge reduction could be worth something right?
what about AM over bolster for m+
I think only if you're playing with [The Wall]
And you probably have to pair that with [Unstoppable Force]
Even with the wall you'll want to use bolster for m+, unless they're super low keys and not prog
And ravager over ITF
Depends
I’d only use bolster if it’s necessary to have the extra defensive ability
Which isn’t always, even at “high” keys
I feel like I'm able to stack pulls when [Last Stand] is up while using [Bolster]. Possibly I'm using it wrong
Potential DPS vs Potentjal Survivability
Both are good for prog, it’s case by case on which will be better at any given time
Getting SB on LS is also dps
Admittedly I've only cleared 8s, looking to do 11s or 12 this week
You could be doing 8’s in really any talent build
Not that you shouldn’t optimize or whatever
It just doesn’t matter much
Looking to practice for the eventual 15 I guess
one more question. necrolord will be better for us in the next patch?
It will be, but no one how good
Hard to say
So they say. I feel like the spear is so good for kiting, on top of the dps+rage
i mean... 400 mastery and 40% shield is pretty good
Not to mention the potions
Kyrian’s great and will continue to be
Also, cute little owl buddy following along with a trumpet can't be ignored
But 400 mastery buff to your dungeon DPS, in the right comp and with CDs
Would make warrior by far the highest DPS tank
It won’t “feel” as good, considering that you won’t be the primary benefactor of that CD
But it’s insane for sure
and with necrolord you take a badass transmg too 😄
Someday maybe Venthyr will be BiS and we can get the BiS transmog :p
Too early to say if the Prot meta will shift with Necro being good.
But I’m excited to have another relevant covenant choice at least
and its interesting cause alot of comps actually lack a necrolord in the group so key groups would have deversity there
If they make their resto go Venthyr yeah
But nl buffs are kind of weak compared to the other ones
is anyone else having trouble with plater at the moment
My plater plates got super sparkly this week without changing anything. Not sure what that's about.
mine isnt showing im not sure what I have done wrong
Too bad necro still looking useless for pvp purposes
I like that I can play prot pve and arms pvp as kyrian
necro doesnt look that bad for pvp tbh
i mean its not like
amazing
but the speed seems good and mastery on boomie is a poggers
as a zandalari troll what Loa do you all think i should use?
Ya'll on about that 400 mastery buuuutttt
no
you can't move and that's bad
it is better for weeks/dung where you can face tank
It's a pretty generous circle
i have problem with my ui i could see pool and aoe damages radius but now i can't
where can i turn it on
i mean myself i going to pick it after weekly resat cause you can use its full power
@chilly brook any idea about this ?
nope
@chilly brook [Token of Appreciation] and [Wasteland Propriety] look fun which one are you going to take ?
oh thx
and atm idk
has any one tried using the revenge talent for prot warrior or we should go with booming voice
What is the party interrupt tracker that Plka uses?
whats it look like
OmniCD probably.
Okay, ill take a look. Thanks a bunch!
Is there an interrupt/cd tracker that'll track CD reduction?
Like mage crits reducing combust CD or the conduit that lowers their kick CD?
if everyone has omniCD it works for that
Ah, well, I guess I can just get my mage friend to get omni CD for that, then, haha, doesn't come up as much for other classes
Guys, anyone tried Memory of past Sins for pure DPS and logs? Just got 226 version.
sim it
how are prot stat weights determined if you cant sim it?
there are no stat wieghts simmings only for dps and literally anyone can do it
if u want the stat weights
its ilvl >>>>>>>>>> haste >> vers>= crit >mastery
@plush relic looks like exorsus Raid tools
Okay thanks !
the titans have smiled upon me
both me and my dk friend got a trial in a 6/10 guild right as our guild is imploding
and there's a good chance i can even play prot again
woo!
prot...so good. hf!
Hey, whats the best legendary to make first? The wall or Thunderlord?
Both are great. If youre looking to do more raiding than m+ i recommend the wall. If youre not really raiding and mostly doing just m+ it doesnt really matter
last i checked thunderlord = pog dps, wall = shield wall on a 2 minute cooldown
pick what you want
How's the Hymnal Trinket? I've got a 203 but also have 220 Emitter and Heraldry. I guess i'm sacrificing 73 strength for a proc chance for damage/heals
hymnal does big dick dmg
You have a 203 hymnal??!
I do. Got it in a calling
The gods have blessed you, i see
Ok so that settles that then haha
holy shit. lucky you.
may i ask, was it a purple or blue box?
I think it was a purple, was a few days ago now so cannot be sure, sorry
What trinkets to search for? I only wanna m+
field emitter, blood scale
Clearly Hakkar
hymnal
Im using 203 emitter and 200 blood scale. Im running only 14-15+, never have seen them drop since.
Is Signet the best legendary to use if I ever want to do some off content as Arms but its also a legendary that would serve me as prot?
Silly question- those of you planning on switching Necro in 9.0.5, are you guys going to switch the week before to try and catch up on Renown? Or just switch the day the rework is live?
Give up the Phial? And the Spear? Nooo! 😄
Switching same day as it goes live usually means raid-day for a lot of people, I guess if some were to switch they'd switch after the last raid of the week is done
sorry to my response above, main fury - already have signet and deathmaker and rank 4, wanting a prot legendary. going to be using just for M+ as im fury in our raid. What do you suggest? its a tough choice between the 2, The wall and Thunderlord, both seem very strong..
I have crafted both but like the wall way more. But its personal preference.
Both are good, make the one you like
i crafted thunderlord 1st but ended up liking the wall more
same
Same, the SS rage gain feels more fluid imo
same, though I think it has something to do with the natural m+ progression and how as you climb higher over time the wall starts feeling more valuable/is safer
how will the necrolord rework do for prot warriors? since the mastery from avatar in bfa was super good (from what i've heard) this change should be good too, no?
if youre after budget bom, then Pelagos Kyrian or Niya NF is 10x better
bom?
mastery from avatar
oh ok thanks
for m+ bolster
Always Bolster
in raid i perma run AM for now, maybe i wont run it on council, will see
can confirm bolster is very helpful on council
Alright, so going the wall and continuing to run bolster, cheers guys ❤️
Has anyone played around with the seismic lego? Thoughts on it?
what cov. is best in m+?
ty
is it ok to use the revenge talent instead of booming voice or do most people never use the revenge talent
i seem to have good rage for ignore pain but what tends to happen to me is outside of ravager and spear i loose aggro on very high damaging characters so i started to use revenge talent but im not sure if any one was doing it
i seem to have good threat*
i mean outside of ravager and spear i lose aggro when i dont have spear
but my tankiness is very good with ignore pain
People have been playing around with it, but bv is still considered better in most situations
yea
do you guys spam all your rotation into one guy and let your self cleave or do you tab target to get it all even
I only tab target if there's a mage ST bursting down something in a AoE pack and i need to taunt it.
👀
But sometimes i gotta swap here and there
yepp
ok thats what i was thinking to i got get out of the habbit making 1 guy the main guy and cleaving i have to learn to tab target i know it sounds funny lol but i think it will be a game changer
But..why?
Like 99.9% of the time you are fine by just having 1 guy as your target and doing your rotation properly.
not sure when i dont have ravager and spear i lose aggros on the next pull upcoming
Then you are doing something wrong with your rotation or your DPS players are not giving you a few globals to grab aggro.
yea
Even with no CD's you can double revenge in the beginning of a pack and aggro shouldn't be a issue.
kk
i recently put a conduit in my potency its where u revenge your clap hits a bit harder
That's not a game changer.
yea i think if that then its my rotation
any blanket tips for feeling reallllly squishy?
when I started using revenge a bit more, threat stopped being an issue
ok im guna use revenge more often
Revenge is your primary threat generator , TC hits like a wet noodle.
Use shield block
okay
Squishy where tho? Raids? M+?
get a hunter/rouge to your party for tricks/md
ty for helpijng me find the issue on my character im guna use revenge more
if you play with mage keep In mind he will be combusting highest hp target
you can put it on focus for fast taunts or w/e
I was reading the guide that said only use revenge when its free and mobs where running around like headless chickens 😄
icy veins ? dont remember where i read it
new fix for my character go back to boom and just use revenge more
Also seems like a good starting point, you can hinder yourself big time spending rage on revenge. With experience you will get a feeling for when you can put in extra revenges
well true, as I said, use revenge a bit more , not all the time 😛
It's in the ST rotation with a note of:
think wowhead said only use free revenge in 8.3
you could always press condem to spend rage 
cant press condemn on aoe tho or between 80 and 20%
cause dont have SD as a talent 🤷
hello guys i am 216 dps warr , at this point i am thinking to switch to tank to get my ksm cause i am getting declined on all my tried to join +13 with 1k rio
how its going for prot
can prot warrior finish all +15s
yes, easily
what is the best healer for warr from your experience
Spec doesnt play a major role imo
Any healer that is played by a decent player
yea it was def revenge more and now everything is fine
It can be a resto druid or Paladin, but if the player is trash, no good
what is the best 3 dps classes i can invite into my keys , definitely i wont inv any dps warr cause i never got invited
To a certain extent it depends on the instance and the composition of the rest of the party too; some dungeons you really want the ability to cure certain status debuffs
You are not meta
Isn't that just making the problem worse?
fury is really strong in keys
@ripe sand man i am crying blood to join groups i am everytime top overall damage i dont die to fire easily sorry i dont wanna brag myself but when i want to push keys not a single group invite me i am always getting declined .
welcome to playing a dps
it wont be much better as prot ither if u dont hae the score tbh
@jagged pier i even pre pot before bosses which i doubt anyone here is doing
so people dont see that in group finder
they se 216
if theres a 220 signing up
with higher score
why would they take you, sorry but dps is so over saturated it will take a while to find keys
you just have to keep applying
last teir i was plaaying fury and got KSM like week 2 or some shit still took me like half an hour to find groups
and even as prot now with like 50+ intime 15s or some shit still takes time
cause community perception
i play warrior for 10 years man
ive played it longe
still means nothing in group finder
if your sturggling to get gorups you can always make your own
🤷
its what i do
or i just ask my guild
@jagged pier exactly i tried your advise i said make my own key , i tried that for 3 days jakey and believe me i had time where i wait 2 hours for a tank and he never pops up i even relist mulitple time with no response that is why finally i decided to be the tank cause as you said dps are way much
anybody tried the mythic council kite thing as a warrior with the leaper legendary maybe?
Doubt you really need leaper
Try and find a healer/tank, to team up with. I usually make my own keys together with a healer, doesn't take too long to get peeps into the group. Better chance to get a tank if that is all that's missing.
we cleared it with our monk and he already struggled. next week he wont be there so we're discussing alternatives
either DH or Warrior to kite the add
Unless your team has crazy dps I doubt you can do it without leapers
just a question ; in this kiting meta , how as a prot warrior can you keep high threat on mobs while running out
i feel we lose aggro faster
I have no problem kiting on anything from 15-18, have not gone higher yet
@modern tundra do you have videos
No sorry I Don't :( don't feel like I would be a good guide maker or anything hehe
what is the best legandry you advise me to run just to get my KSM , i am running the Wall rn @modern tundra
wall is fine
The wall is a good leggo, I'm using it aswell.
not as good as thunderlord with booming voice imo but fine
u run BV all the time anywy
@livid granite watch Plka
I feel the wall is a more safe/ defensive pick but thunderlord has more potential for sure
eh the defensive value of thunderlord is pretty good as well
demo shout is on such a low cd and the rage adds to more ips
pretty strong
doesnt it fuck up the line-up with Avatar?
im playing AM and spamming avatar on cd anyways
yikes your blocked hits must be terrible
if DS gets reduced, wont it fuck it up?
Thunderlord is most likely going to be the nr1 for m+ in 9.1 with the scaling
well yeh of course the line up wont be perfect when you reduce both avatar and ds with every button
ds is up so often its quite insane sometimes
depends on pull size obviously
why would you prepot after the change?
Concerning Raids: Icy Veins says Mastery>Crit and Wowhead says Crit>Mastery..is it close? Is one an error?
stack haste vers, whatever else you find doesnt really matter, crit is better for m+
different stats are better in different situations bestween crit and mastery there is like zero difference
same pretty much if u put vers into the mix its slightl better not much
haste is by far our best stat
kk thats sort of what i figured.
yeah don't bother wheater a stat is 3rd or 4th best
Yeah im aware of haste>verse> everything else. just curious since they both said different things
😄
like u should drop haste vers or haste pieces of armour for lke a 5 ilvl upgrade casue the ilvl is just better
was more or less curious for a situation where i had to choose. like buying sinful gear if i had to choose between haste mastery or haste crit
which ever has more haste
well it really doesn't matter
its my alt anyways. I main BM and just having fun on warrior
Hello! So I main an arms warrior but am going to be tanking for my raid group for the foreseeable future and I have a few questions on prot specifically the talents. For raid and being relatively new to tanking with that talents on the last 2 rows is into the fray helping with rage management? Or would ravager be a better choice and also with the final row the guides from wowhead and icy veins say that anger management is better but a lot of guides I found on YouTube are arguing that bolster feels better and thoughts?
Into the fray 100%
Please read the guides properly. AM has it's time and place and so does Bolster.
And you basically answered your own question on the last one . its kinda situational
Bolster is for m+ and a more defensive play when you'd need more SB uptime.
AM is for a more agressive approach.
In really easy way..
Bolster = M+, AM = Raids.
Ravager=M+, ItF = Raids.
Ok makes! sense sorry to ask I just am trying to not get my raid group killed lol cuz how I set it up last week was wrong
yeah, if youre worried about dying go Bolster but if its just normal and you arent getting crushed, AM is fine
*dying to blockable dmg 😉
Related talenting question.. I've seen some discussion around the fact that without unstoppable force/AM, the Thunderlord legendary isn't nearly as valuable - thoughts? I would like to keep bolster, but I like the idea of having better UT on demo shout
where did u hear that discussion
Right now I'm running Thunderlord, but I've made the wall as well
wowhead warr guide (and that's what I heard here - never use UF!)
It's annoying that you can't sim mitigation 😦
but it's not the same obviously
Because tbh I love bolster, it is an amazing buff to LS
is there a macro or somethign that i can use for shadowcore oil? when i have low duration on it, i can't put a new one on unless i take off my shield
if u have an off hand or a shield u have to manually reapply becasue it will try and put it on the off hand or shield
if u have like 2 mins left
how do you manually reapply
Just right click the potion and click the weapon
and u clikc on your wep
right clicking the potion auto tries to put it on your weapon
it doesnt give me like... a targeting cursor or anything
then just click off the buff
you cant click off buff
u can
in the top right corner of your ui
you can clikc off any buff u want
i do it all the time
for oil
maybe its an addon thing, but i can't for the oil. i can for any other buff (am doing it with battle shout)
and i cant /cancelaura Shadowcore Oil
"In AoE situations, when using the standard setup of Booming Voice/ Unstoppable Force/ Anger Management, this Legendary increases your Demoralizing Shout uptime from ~17% to an average of ~40%. **That's terrific, but it does require both being in AoE and using that specific talent setup. **If you are not using Booming Voice, then this bonus is essentially pointless. If you are not using the other two talents, then this bonus winds up being considerably weaker, and arguably not competitive with the more versatile The Wall setup."
^ This is the part from the Wowhead warr article btw, I would tend to agree it's probably wrong, even with 6s cooldown on Thunderclap, it's still going to cut off 4.5s every 6 seconds
so it increases uptime, just not to the degree that it would during avatar with UF
it has synergy yes
but u have to take UF
so its instantly not worth it
i think Nome got the guy to update the wow head guide or at least told him it was out of date
if your looking for a guide please read icy veins
as its written by an actual prot main
g2k
Oh is wowhwad why eveyone thinks uf is worth playing?
yes
as of january looks like they updated the talent section at least
Good afternoon ladies & gents, decided to come back to WoW for this Expan. Is Verst stacking still a thing for prot warrior, or was it scrapped with the removal of the corruptions etc?
it never was a thing
Ofcourse it was.
no it wasnt
was community perception that thought u needed to it
u never had to
unless u did like +30 keys
i ran TD or ineff or leech for the memes
I said still a thing, Not a must. So is it Haste prio more so?
Roger, cheers mate.
Would you guys use a 213 crit haste belt from raid or a 210 haste vers belt?
probably
ilvl and haste go 213
ahh shit sorry im retarded, looked at wrong one
belt is a 210 vers maste with socket or the crit haste 213 belt
socket is like 10 ilvls
yep go socket
Ok ty
fairly confident at this point that i'm going to get a 226 Scale in my vault the last reset before 9.1
i got a choice between the spare meat hook and this shit 
stygia
What would you pick?
223 Viscera of Coalesced Hatred vs 220 Crit/Haste Shield
Both are +26 ilvl upgrade
shield
Ty
someone here messaged me about the WA i was using for SB which i found on sco's stream by going to his discord linked there https://wago.io/SZ5uAQEEX and this should do it.
Wago.io is a database of sharable World of Warcraft addon elements
and i want to know the next lego i'm crafting, as i've now completed 2 r4's
idk, a pvp leggo, a meme leggo or a fun leggo
kings if i ever run LFR to get to it to drops comes to mind immediately but i mean is whatevr i guess
unbreakable says "party" and so dealing with enough internet bullshit and "read the fine print" have to assume is only party, and thus probably is a total waste,
kings or leaper mostl likely i figure,
would anyone drop a 210 crit/haste ring for a 226 crit/mastery ring
i wouldnt
other option is pvp legs which would be an upgrade when i get to 1800
so im looking at my vault, and they are both 226 rings
ring 1: 128 crit, 86 haste, ring 2: 65 crit, 121 mastery and a socket
do i take the socket and gem 16 haste?
or take the crit haste ring
crit mastery+ socket is the move right?
That doesn't add up; rings of the same ILvl should have the same total secondary stats
those are the stats
take the haste one, sockets you can buy
fair

Yeah, take the one with more secondary stats
people actually do maw content?
IKR, guess i have no choice
Maw is EZ
Just kill rares every day; that's the fastest rep and Stygia gain for minimum time invested
Well rares, special encounters, dailies etc
You can be done with it in about 45 minutes. Especially at busy times when you can just tag mobs and leech kills
is inscrutable quantum device any good for m+ prot? its between that or the crit/mastery trailspinner pendant neck this week at 226
sounds like 750 stygia to me
oof 😦 I guess I probably take the necklace before that since I'm only using a 220 neck atm?
craft seismic reverb and live the bsc / reverb life
7 ilvl on weapon, 13 on cloak, or move from just aaaaawful trinkets to at least good one that's a 7 ilvl upgrade? Thoughts?
7 weapon
Weapon
That's where I was headed too, but wanted confirmation.
The trinket situation is pretty dire.
I have a particularly shitty vault (so I think) and could use some advice. I have my own thoughts but was hoping I could get some thoughts from you guys (both for guidance and a sanity check). Currently, i'm sitting at 21% crit, 20% haste, 19% Master and 9% Vers. (I'm trying to eventually pick up more vers and shed something else, but not sure of my path forward, whether it be take a weird vault item and farm +12's for itemization or something else).
First of all what ilvl are you?
214 currently
Nvm
This isn't even a question
Go with the gloves
Stop thinking in terms of stat %
Take ilvl upgrades
Worry about your secondary stats when you have multiple 226 pieces in the same slot
Because they dont matter compared to ilvl
yeah that's a ginormo ilvl upgrade for a primary armor piece
Thanks for roping me back in, I've just been back about 2 months after a break of several years and I guess I still have an old mindset. My endgame is picking up more vers but I'm guessing the proper strat is ilevel in main slots until you're ilevel locked (can't get any higher gear as you suggested) then focus on rings/neck and itemization once higher ilevel is unachievable.
^
I feel like there's probably less > between haste and the others
*ilvl>>>>>>>>>>>>shield>>>>>>>>haste>>>>>>crit/vers>mastery
lol
I've prioritized shield upgrades but haven't had any to choose from lately.
what shield do you have?
😮
is prot generally more safe albeit slow for TC?
damn good stuff
das alot of haste
slaps ring
Does the Ilvl > all hold true for neck/ring?
also wtf pika
highest haste ring ingame
Sweet!
no 233 wep though sadge
not even a 233 socket wep LUL
also no cheat death trinket
So this week.. fortified, sanguine, grievous. I haven't done grievous before, looks like a difficult affix?
esp for fights where it was already a healing intensive fight
def stresses healers more but its not too bad
216 - Encrusted Canopic Lid
Some say no, others say somewhat
But you're not gonna die or be less effective realistically because you took a 213 neck with crit/mast over a 207 neck with haste/vers
And more stats is considered better than more optimal stats
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Neck is a slot where I’ll choose a significant stat upgrade over 6 ilvls
No. It's mainly for items with primary stat included.
There's more play room with the ilvl there..e.g you don't want to drop 50 ilvls worth of stats etc.
you'd always take it on a weapon thought right? I'm agruing with a prot war in my guild whos saying they'd rather have good secondaries on a mh
I'm used to all physical weapon classes taking weapon ilvl
Weapon dps is pretty important and attack power is factored into plenty of things and even influences defensiveness through IP
Lol I mean
Could always just find a better player

Or better yet point him to this discord
☝️
How do you guys feel about the necro changes comming? Think itll be good for prot?
looks better now
support spec 🙏
always wanted to be a warrior-bard
really though last update i heard was it's too early to tell
I feel like the 400 mastery and move speed is good and the dmg reduction while channeling fleshcraft as another defensive cd
i could see channeling fleshcraft disabling dodge/block/parry while its active
supposedly you still have block while channeling it
thats really good then
is venthyr prot okay for high level m+ keys?
I mean, we can still activate SB and IP while Bladestorming so why nto FLeshcraft
sweet thanks
For mordretha - does anyone hold their cooldowns until the manifest death adds come up?
or just use them on cooldown?
fucking finally xD
vault choices... 3 ilvl legs upgrade vs. 6 ilvl ring upgrade, roughly same stat spread. hmm
Legs~
at what ilvl is item without vers better than with vers?
cuz I don't know what gloves to use
213ilvl sludge or 226 boe from raid
went with legs, they're basically bis
I'd go with 226 gloves. 13ilvl is a lot
also got offered a 226 stitchflesh ring would be cool if I didn't get a 226 stitchflesh ring last week lmao
I've got a laundry list of trinkets, anyone mind helping me out? Trying to figure out which ones are the best for each spec and sell the ones I don't need.
If I had to take a wild stab, it'd between the Core, Spike, and Frond.
But maybe the damage is super powerful on some of these and it's worth not getting lukewarm tanking effects?
Spike and anima
Also worth note that the tooltips for % gains are off. Because the addon hasn't been updated.
It's using BFA math.
Are you sure the anima field is better than the frond? I'd think on-demand and not having positional requirements would make it pretty good.
The what?
Not all of the previews are showing, btw.
That means click the links.
There's more trinkets than exist in the previews.
You expect me to go through every link to figure out which one isn't showing?
<Sigh>
oh my
There
The previews that don't show are in order, so it'd just be the last three trinkets. I didn't wanna make a tower of previews, but I guess making people not click links is better than the mild visual tower.




