I wish you pain and suffering
#protection
strong forum
chilly brook
Gl
strong forum
Cuz that's what that boss is
narrow ivy
I have a buddy who's on mythic council and I'm pretty sure it drives him to drink
narrow ivy
start screaming about DKP, that'll get your raiders moving
strong forum
Not in the slightest
narrow ivy
wow
blazing condor
😳
narrow ivy
🥴
jagged pier
@chilly brook get the chungus out
jagged pier
the elite set looks sick on fmale panda btw
strong forum
that mog actually doesnt look liek absolute dogshit on panda
jagged pier
i know thats why i repping it, like i have a friend that hate male panda and was like that doesnt actually look bad
XD
i do prefer fmale panda tho
but being chungus is pretty fun
chilly brook
My thundergod mog doesnt look bad on panda either
But female panda is fire with the animations
plush relic
sick sentinel
S A D P A N D A
plush relic
Kul Tiran or HM Tauren 
atomic flicker
Where is leech on the stat tier?
ebon hound
leech 📉
strong forum
nowhere
jagged pier
leech MEME last tier was fun
undone sun
stat tier 
jagged pier
lets be fair leech has always been a meme
lavish oracle
I wish I could play alliance races without having to deal with alliance players
or rather
the lack of alliance players
I mean, the big leech on Lucid Dreams was actually sick 😄
Lucid dreams + Avatar + 3xBoM was basically warrior incarn last xpac
literally unkillable for 20s
mellow patio
Did someone say leech
undone sun
no
atomic flicker
So im guessing that leech is bad
lavish oracle
I mean
It's fine
Just don't sacrifice anything for it
Tertiaries are exactly as the name implies: tertiary
distant iris
Finding modretha to be a demoralizing boss, just did her at +8 and feels like a raid boss :/
restive flax
have you tried reflecting her scythe?
distant iris
It's the overlap of the ghosts and the grip that kills me... But that's definitely a trick for the scythe 😮
restive flax
You wont have it every cast, unless you have lucky overlaps where she casts the ghosts riders at 50%
and grip + ghosts (assuming you mean Manifest Death) is not solely the tanks duty to deal with
your DPS simply have to kill them fast
distant iris
True fat!
And yes I mean manifest death I believe, the spread mech that generates adds 👍
restive flax
just dont stand in anyone elses circle
stay as close together without overlapping circles
most of the time you'll be able to shockwave atleast 3 ghosts to interupt their cast. They should die before they finish the next
if youre kyrian you can chunk them down quite a bit with your spear
royal meadow
Who is a good M+ prot warrior to watch on Twitch?
indigo nacelle
hello guys one question
what is the best convenat for tank? my guild say is necro for the next exp
is that true?
exotic spoke
@mellow patio they don’t even know you and leech meme anymore QTPie
mighty cairn
am I blind or are the hidden desire spawns in mythic inerva really hard to see sometimes
when they overlap with adds and everything it's hard to pick them out
indigo nacelle
anyone can pls tell me the best covenant for prot?
obtuse thicket
Kyrian
indigo nacelle
but after the next patch will still be kyrian?
will not be the necro for the pluss 500 mastery ?
from banner
mighty cairn
it's probably too early to tell and depends on the content you're doing
obtuse thicket
Imho a bit too soon to tell but i do not think the change in banner is enough to switch
indigo nacelle
i playt just with tanks and my guild ask me if i can switch to my warr
atm he is necro
obtuse thicket
Mastery is not even that fucking good on prot, i would much more prefer on-deman rage and a self heal
indigo nacelle
the content will be mythic raids
and they said the boost from banner is really good
should i keep at necro and see if the banner is good?
obtuse thicket
Atm is useless, necrolo is like the worst option on par with venthye
At most you may try to switch after 0.5 is out
last mason
i feel like tyrannical wont stop bbeing a dead week until they just rework the affix at this point
the community perception of it is already too deep
rich helm
u think that necro prot is going to be a thing in 9.05 ?
indigo nacelle
but like i told u @obtuse thicket im already necro
obtuse thicket
Srry did not read that part. Ofc u can tank with basically any covenant but if u want to push a bit more u should switch to kyrian
Or faires, which are decent
lavish oracle
Necro prot will likely only really be good for world first raiding guilds other than that it's kinda unwieldy and unnecessary
obtuse thicket
IF warrior is used for the world first, which is a big if
lime urchin
it was used for the previous world first 🙂
lavish oracle
Limit's GM has basically said as is, not accounting for any other possible tuning on PTR, you probably run double necro war for world first
mighty cairn
ye wf raiders have also said new fleshcraft is extremely strong in it's current state
there will prob be changes in ptr
obtuse thicket
It was used for worls first cauz like 90% of the bosses do phisical dmg, if next raid is full of magic dmg i do not see guilds running warrs
lavish oracle
Eh, I don't think warrior is actually as bad at taking magic damage as people say
obtuse thicket
Is not bad per se, but other tanks are simply way better at dealing with it
lavish oracle
I mean like, DK and DH, sure
obtuse thicket
And if u raid for world first u do not take stuff that is not bad, u take the best stuff
lavish oracle
the rest are pretty bad against magic too
naive hatch
Does condemn reduce shield wall cooldown with The Wall as well? It was happening in torghast but i didn't have any powers relating the two
obtuse thicket
Druids are better too imo because of better cds and stamina pool
And the fact that warr are extremely bad at dealing with magic dmg is one of the thousand reasons why they are not used in higher keys
lavish oracle
I don't think guardian brings anything to raid that you'd really want
obtuse thicket
apart from not being blown up as soon as fuzzy spells hit the fan you mean?
I am not saying druids are the best
lavish oracle
Warrior really doesn't explode as soon as magic damage drops in, not sure why people say that
obtuse thicket
I am saying that if i had to choose in a fight with tons of magic dmg i would take a bear rather than a prot
lavish oracle
like, if you look at magic damage heavy fights and compare EHRPS, they're pretty consistent with most of the other tanks
obtuse thicket
If u read my previous statement u can see i have never said warrs suck totally with magic dmg, but looking at their skillset i do not see any other way to put it but "they are heavily on the lower spectrum"
lavish oracle
What I'm saying is they're really not, not in any appreciable way
mellow patio
It’s a good thing most damage is physical
wicked lantern
I understand saying magic damage hurts warriors. I do not understand arguing that bear is better. They both suck at magic damage. Warrior is def better than cause of spell reflect alone.
lavish oracle
There aren't any tanks that are good at taking magic damage
wicked lantern
Exactly.
lavish oracle
like, some tanks are okay at it
obtuse thicket
There aren't any tanks that are *good* at taking magic damage
Blood death knight has joined the chat
obtuse thicket
A bad tank is going to be blown up even with 1k IL. On related news water is wet
last mason
how much dmg do boomies lose taking trees
lavish oracle
Some, not a lot
it's a little harder to play around because you have to pool astral power near the end of a pack so you're not going in empty on the next pull
But on some dungeons, your group gains way more damage from trees anyways
So it makes up for any difference
like having trees to keep packs grouped on Halls is a huge damage increase overall
rich helm
i think the flesh craft changes and the 500 Mastery buff are also pretty solid changes for casual raiders and m+ dudes
rich helm
y even 400 , thats 800 Mastery every 2 min, thats nearly every camp in m+ high keys
wicked lantern
Yoooo what if Seismic legendary had a similar effect as the Ursoc legendary for bear?
Hits another time and grants 50% of the damage in ignore pain.
rich helm
you could say u provide them with an extra trinket slot
lavish oracle
but like I was saying earlier, Kyrian/Pelagos gives a 350 mastery buff every 1 minute + a lot of AoE damage + strong utility so you have to really be optimizing that mastery buff on other players for necro to become more valueable than Kyrian
and chances are most players can't/won't do that
Niya gives a similar buff in Night Fae, too iirc
lavish oracle
I know
But what I'm saying is, in order for it to be worth swapping to necro for most players, they would have to be reliably giving the other players in their group a lot of extra damage
which is going to take more coordination and communication than most players will be able to pull off
let alone like...pugs
finite sundial
So if you are playing with a good team necrolord is the way to go
gotcha
Like I get where you are coming from, but unless you ONLY pug your argument holds true
lavish oracle
not just like good like unreasonably good, lol
finite sundial
guilds will absolutely be able to take advantage of this
lavish oracle
Most guilds won't need to
rich helm
I think u just personally dont want so swap to necro 😂 i bet every cutting edge guild is goingt to play with a necro warrior when they have a warrior as tank
timber nest
theyll be running 2 warrior tanks, both necro
deft sapphire
one will banner with the boomies on pull before charging in kek
timber nest
1 with the boomies, 1 with the unholy dk's
restive flax
dont they have to stay in the banners radius to keep the buff?
restive flax
uh... if the druid presses convoke and you stand still 3 seconds the enemy is going to come to you -> no charge in melee 😄
timber nest
there are multiple tanks in a raid...
timber nest
most likely wont snapshot
restive flax
ill just wait and see how necro turns out to be
if they become atleast comparable I'll switch back to become a skullboi again
lavish oracle
I think u just personally dont want so swap to necro 😂 i bet every cutting edge...
My point is that what is meta for the top guilds has basically no bearing on 99% of the player base, world first guilds who need the 400 mastery buff on their boomkins during CDs to beat a damage check are in a completely different situation than players who are clearing it a month later with 20 extra ilvl
clever bronze
Why would we craft Thunderlord on the feet slot if they're itemized worse than gloves?
https://i.imgur.com/1AUFLHc.png
lavish oracle
Because this tier is going to end eventually and boots give slightly more stats, they're so close though it doesn't really matter, though
it's like 12 extra armor on boots or whatever
but otherwise boots and hands are very close
clever bronze
If boots > gloves, then what does "itemized worse than gloves" mean?
lavish oracle
That means that in this raid, there are more gloves with good stat combos than boots
clever bronze
Ah.
lavish oracle
er, vice versa, I guess
clever bronze
How can boots be itemized worse than gloves if there aren't more gloves with good stats?
Fff, I typoed too
Fixed it.
Craft my Thunderlord on the fetish bait, got it.
lavish oracle
I just confused myself, yeah, there are more gloves with good stats in the raid
steel mauve
How can boots be itemized worse than gloves if there aren't more gloves with goo...
You can choose your stats on the legos, so if boots have worse stats than gloves, then you can get better statted gloves from the raid and just choose bis stats for the boots, thats why boots for thunderlords
clever bronze
You can choose your stats on the legos, so if boots have worse stats than gloves...
The reading was a little unclear for me. The difference between the itemization as a function of all of the available boots vs the stat economy on those slots
I appreciate the clarity. We worked it out, though 😛
lavish oracle
Stat economy is slightly better on boots too by chance 😛
dull zodiac
is that world quest trinket with primary stat and absorb shield (20 percent prvented) worth anythin?
worn bear
vital gazelle
!pin
static shore
Top dps covenant is night fae ?
inland plover
can s1 give me just quick answer is it worth using execute with 20 rage?
just for dps
or almost always wait for 40rage?
high folio
anyone noticed the icy veins routes are crap this week
the TOP one is still making inspire callouts and the NW one is ab as ass backwards as it gets
lavish oracle
I didn't even realize icy veins posted routes
last mason
where do u guys spear in wake this week, 2nd boss or third boss
assuming u hold lust for 3rd
potent anvil
I typically have dps get a hammer and then spear. Two spears on 2nd boss for adds, 1 spear for third boss to one phase potentially. And if you have hammers, hammer each shield phase on last boss.
Unless the tank is gonna use discharged anima for 2nd boss. But I think saving both discharged animas to make two large pulls upstairs is worth.
potent anvil
Whichever you don't have CDs for to clear
last mason
and do you still lust 3rd with the spear?
potent anvil
My group doesnt usually, but it's helpful if you're trying to one phase
patent osprey
I personally spear a big pack at the start, spear 2nd boss and spear 3rd boss. Use 1 hammer on 3rd boss and other 2 on shield phases last boss
Anima orb a big pack before 2nd boss and Anima orb a big pack in the nefropolis
potent anvil
Yeah, there are different strats. We had the most success just saving hammers for last boss and spears for 2nd and third boss
patent osprey
usually lust 1st 2nd and last boss
potent anvil
We used double anima orbs upstairs. One dps uses it for the first big pull, and tank uses for 2nd big pull.
But I think a lot of strats work as long as the usage saves time
patent osprey
yup :) lots of ways to do NW, which makes it fun
last mason
im pugging lol, and the key in question is a 19, so basically im trying to target the most pug-unfriendly areas with resources
patent osprey
I personally like the way I put it above even for pugs but it's up to you. u can use an Anima orb for 1 set of adds on 2nd boss if ur falling behind
last mason
which i feel is at least the 2nd boss
potent anvil
Um, I think the typical pug strat is 1 spear for third boss. And then spear for first hard trash pull in the beginning, and the other for 2nd boss? I'm not sure.
Yeah, what Pika said, is probably the best pug-friendly strat
last mason
does spear boost hammer dmg?
patent osprey
yes
but typically especially on tyran, people have issues breaking shields on last boss which is why they save hammers for it
last mason
ya i like the idea of saving hammers for that
potent anvil
Yeah, we ran triple hammers on a 21 this week. Saves a lot of time
patent osprey
not typically for the first shield but any of the other ones cause 1 dps is exiled
last mason
does explosive factor into the sizes of any of the dungeons potential big pulls or not really since u guys run with good players
potent anvil
Explosives typically die to anything. So as long as people are helping tagging it with 1 GCD, it's fine. It's more about bursting than explosive imo this week
Unless you're running with a priest with mass dispel
patent osprey
if ur prot warrior, play watch a mole with heroic throw
potent anvil
^
patent osprey
after u blow ur avatar load, I usually step back 2 steps and just make it a mini game for myself ^.^
last mason
lol im actually pink rn, so blessed hammer makes explosive a pain
last mason
ya judge and shield are fine for the most part
patent osprey
but honestly just autos do a ton if ur a haste tank
last mason
ya true i forget about basics a lot
patent osprey
NPNP :)
prot war is one of the bis whack a moles other than bear tanks
minimum heroic throw range fks us
moonfire op
potent anvil
I had to storm bolt an explosive once 👀 Because I play fury, so cd on heroic throw
potent anvil
Unluck
haughty sleet
How’s condemn in raids
lavish oracle
I just swapped off devestator for this week and solo carry explosives this week 😄
patent osprey
devastator is actually worse for explosives but can't not use it
last mason
i feel like both prots are the scaling underdogs, as much as that term is a meme
chilly brook
It's the overlap of the ghosts and the grip that kills me... But that's definite...
Use SR on the overlaps
chilly brook
am I blind or are the hidden desire spawns in mythic inerva really hard to see s...
Turn on game sound, the spawning sound of the mechanic is directional you dont even need to see them just turn where you hear them
chilly brook
minimum heroic throw range fks us
I'm still trying to figure out why a minimum range exists on the ability
They removed it for literally almost every other ability
indigo pumice
^^^
silver trout
yeah...
solar zinc
I'm contemplating making a warrior tank alt to fool around in keys with, I'd like to have an alt that is necrolord, I saw the necrolord buff for warrior, do you all think I'd be shooting myself in the foot if I chose it?
it sounds rather interesting from reading the tooltip sofar
quiet stream
yeah i already started a warrior prot alt also just for venthyr too. at this rate ill have 4 warriors
mighty valley
I don't think you'd be shooting yourself in the foot picking it now, it's just the least effective of the four
So after buffs it'll just be better than that
last mason
failed the wake lol
patent osprey
sorry sleepy :(
last mason
literally just to interupts and explosives
i need to stop getting bbaited into triple ranged i think
plus i have 10k to orbs up through the 2nd boss
patent osprey
trippe ranged is good
boomkins can like solo orbs if they had to
sunfire op
just greed
last mason
this was lock mage hunter
which u would think would be decent for explosive
and hpal healer had none to explosive
for what its worth though i think the route with the weps was really good though
so ty for that
patent osprey
hpal in my group does most explosive
last mason
lol
skill gap i guess
i had 35 interupts up until 2nd boss, 3 ranged at 7 each
also am i the only one who has trouble calling kicks in SL, i feel like im too bbusy trying to keep my self alive
i can do on bosses or on like 2 mobs, but bbeyond that its a lot
i wass just eating necrotic bolts that run, and im not sure if me doing a better jobb of calling kicks woulda helped
wicked lantern
Assigning DPS to markers on mobs has helped me
Rogue I run with always locks down circle, DK always on diamond, Hunter always gets triangle.
Then for mobs that need two interrupts like the lubricators or the goliaths, I call them
PUGS are a diff story tho lol which is most of what I run unfortunately
Also I use the weak aura auto marker, I think it helps. Sometimes, it at least puts markers on mobs and DPS will at least think “why are these two marked” lol
last mason
Ya I need to get an auto marker I guess
I ask people to call their kicks but nobody ever speaks
Idk why I drag them into discord
wanton condor
Any suggested auto markers?
wicked lantern
I think “Mythic+ Auto Marker Shadowlands” is the one I use
mighty cairn
Turn on game sound, the spawning sound of the mechanic is directional you dont e...
o ty that's really useful - will turn up game sound effects and listen for those guys
lofty citrus
hey guys, how important is tank legendary for doing M+? i wanted to gear up my arms a bit but atm i only have unhinged
ocean bloom
it helps but its not REQUIRED
blazing gale
buy leaper and you are DH kekw
lofty citrus
aight, currently i've got ilvl 206 if i equip my 1h+shield
with good stats afaik
(vers haste)
what key should i be able to tank with that?
lofty citrus
implying lfg group and me not being the best tank ever
blazing gale
you have pride at 10's and it helps to learn routes propely
glacial ivy
Can anyone link me spell reflect guide
jagged pier
its in the pins
undone sun
pinned
lofty citrus
where do i get routes from?
blazing gale
but its dratnos idk
undone sun
and?
lofty citrus
thanks, i guess im better off not creating my own routes until i at least know wtf im doing
blazing gale
well you still need to know what's in the route and what it does
lofty citrus
should i be having downtime on pressing my abilities? playing devastator
high folio
pugging keys as prot is genuine agony
high folio
should i be having downtime on pressing my abilities? playing devastator
you can sometimes if nothing is off cd, dont want to be casting revenge wo freebies unless you have the rage to spare.
lofty citrus
when do i have rage to spare, if not capped? can always press ignore pain more
high folio
so ip only stacks up to two times, and rage to spare would be a scenario where youre not taking a lot of damage and dont need anything outside of SB to stay alive
casting ip more then two time in a row will literally eat 40 rage and do nothing for you
even then its not recomonded to double cast it unless youre beefing up for a heavy hit (last boss of ToP for example, you can only spell reflect scythe once every 25 sec)
also learning what boss tank buster abilites you can spell reflect is huge, you can reflect piercing barb in DoS as well
winter willow
Is there a comprehensive list of boss abilities you can spell reflect?
high folio
yeah, in the pins i believe
winter willow
Reflecting barb and scythe seems huge
high folio
it is
winter willow
Ok I'll check, thanks!
high folio
on scythe you literally get a free 25k slap every 25 sec
worst case you'll at least immune the spell
winter willow
Awesome
mystic zodiac
How does kyrian vs nf feel if anyone has playwd both?
high folio
i personally really liked night fae
it did a ton of damage in m+, gave an assload of rage, and the periodic stun does wonders on smoothing dmg intake and acting as a psuedo interupt
spear does slightly less dmg and rage but is instant, AA can do more as long as all mobs stay in aoe
median tulip
The actual answer to this question is that it's because as Protection Warrior the bonus AP from Mastery is built in and therefore affects the tooltip, whereas for Arms the Mastery bonus damage is an effect of the Deep Wounds debuff so doesn't appear on the Tooltip.
sweet summit
Stats?
sweet summit
O head
nimble drift
so I can have the wall and it
sweet summit
Ye
high folio
oh shit i never realized seismic reverb also applies to revenge
sweet summit
Very good if ur looking to pump in aoe
median tulip
Combined with BSC it's a lot of damage
Just wish Revenge hadn't had its proc rate nerfed
Has anyone tried using Vitality Sacrifice?
high folio
i doubt it, doesnt that leggo require you to get smoked for like 70% of your health pool in one hit to get the full benefit?
high folio
lmao
median tulip
Lol, ok then
sweet summit
Doubt
high folio
honestly tbh
median tulip
For us? Doubt it. It would make Signet of Tormented Kings the one legendary ring to rule them all for every Warrior spec
high folio
for dps maybe yeah, i think the wall still adds better defensive value
thorn kayak
Am I crazy to ask to have Demo shout off GCD? 😩
icy yarrow
what u think u are, a warrior? 
modest oxide
Just thought i'd share. Monk healer requested I be kicked from group on formation.
fallen ledge
ouch
modest oxide
exactly!
heavy sail
Also I may be biased but if I was going to pick one or the other I’m always prioritizing the tank
But why the fuck would I specifically want a MW
Like who is this guy
You’re probably better off mate
sick sentinel
get rekt, sun
rich helm
what is the best alliance race boys ?
jagged pier
which ever one u like
sweet summit
Dorf 
amber herald
dwarfs coz they're rock hard baby
ebon plank
dwarves have beer, beards and great accent. no reason not to choose them. dark irons also got mole machine for extra travel
signal plover
Dorf forever
old monolith
Anyone try Forgelite this week?
modern brook
But why the fuck would I *specifically* want a MW
5% damage buff :^)
solemn magnet
Go kul tiran. They look rad.
strong forum
thats a sentence i never thought id hear
solemn magnet
You can be a thicc mom, or drunk dad. Both are great.
sweet summit
👀
signal plover
I think Yang needs an adult
sweet summit
I need an adult 😔
silent grove
I am a basic bitch and play humans. Dat rep bonus
jagged pier
You can be a thicc mom, or drunk dad. Both are great.
if u want to be ither of thos things u play panda
astral crystal
autumn pendant
I need an adult 😔
I AM AN ADULT
old monolith
Is it bad to double shield block?
fickle timber
Is it bad to double shield block?
You’re wasting a CD
You want to use it to reduce incoming physical dmg
plush tendon
Is it bad to double shield block?
yea, theres no point in double SB since it doesnt stack
sweet summit
you still get full uptime of SB
old monolith
Gotcha, my weak aura had it stacking thats why I ask
plush tendon
yea, but you might reduce your effective SB uptime if the boss does a cast or something while your buff is still active
fickle timber
Even still better to save it for when it’s needed
sweet summit
if there will be no downtime in blockable damage taken there is no downside to using both charges at once
fickle timber
if there will be no downtime in blockable damage taken there is no downside to u...
Blocking low dmg is a big negative
old monolith
Wasn't sure if at the beginning of the trash pull with spear and demo to dump rage into double SB then offense
sweet summit
hell, id argue that if youre capped at charges with last stand (with bolster) active you spend one charge to keep it rolling
fickle timber
Saving 100% block best used for spikes
outer solstice
what is the best alliance race boys ?
gnome, 100% gnome
fickle timber
Yeah I run bolster
The best thing to do is to use your defensives separately to fill gaps of downtime
You ideally want to have at least one available - and since SB is off gcd it’s good to have ready
I pump ignore pain more
sweet summit
that sounds a bit misleading
you still wanna keep SB up when taking blockable damage, if there is a massive "tank buster" comming, you can hold a charge for that
but you should not replace SB with IP
fickle timber
Depends on your rage and what fight
modern brook
not really
sweet summit
no you should not
fickle timber
IP stops magic
fickle timber
Pumping 2 charges back to back seems assumptive
There could be movement etc
Reducing value
old monolith
What about for dungeon trash? I tend to struggle more on fort weeks then tyrannical weeks
sweet summit
re: if there will be no downtime in blockable damage taken there is no downside to using both charges at once
old monolith
The opposite is true for my pug groups
fickle timber
He asked if there was an issue in using two back to back
old monolith
in my experience
fickle timber
The issue would be reducing uptime
old monolith
Yeah I wasn't sure if I lost something if I double SB that was my original question
sweet summit
you dont reduce uptime tho, thats the thing. unless ofc there is downtime in damage taken. like a boss casting, or youre kiting
fickle timber
Yes that is what I was getting at
If you’re going to stack charges you may as well macro it into shield slam
old monolith
gotcha
modern brook
MAcros? thats weird
fickle timber
So is stacking SB
outer solstice
so many situations you don't want to use SB,...
sweet summit
???
outer solstice
when bosses are casting big spells
fickle timber
Stacking SB is just wasteful if you end up moving, not taking dmg, kiting, w.e
fickle timber
If you’re going to do it, I’m assuming it’s to be lazy, and if that’s the case, just macro it
amber herald
I stack SB with bolster because it gives you 29 seconds of SB and recharge time of 2 SB charges is 28 seconds
modern brook
90% of this spec is knowledge of your encounter
outer solstice
oh well I play AM instead of bolster
amber herald
I think you can stack SB outside of bolster sometimes but mostly don't
outer solstice
making knowledge of when no blockable hits are comign a lot more important
amber herald
bolster is the recommended for m+ but AM isn't bad if you're doing lower keys
and raids it depends on the fight
fickle timber
You can get some high ignore pain values
outer solstice
right?
outer solstice
the ignore pain conduit is not good
modern brook
also that
sweet summit
AM does not interact with IP like that
outer solstice
yeah
old monolith
Has anyone tried Into the Fray and Hammer of Genesis? For m plus
sweet summit
you generally just go pelagos
fickle timber
You get more rage to spend, which gives you more dps
amber herald
what's hammer of genesis?
modern brook
Miko's 32 renown soulbind
sweet summit
amber herald
ITF is doable in keys but ravager is generally preferred for threat/aggro reasons
outer solstice
and ravager gives you shittons of rage too
fickle timber
Ravager is rage mostly for me
sweet summit
ITF is good if you really need higher SB uptime, and your rage gen/aoe threat is fine without ravager (in dungeons)
modern brook
This week Kleia becomes a non-meme choice tbh
fickle timber
Also allows split pull threat mgmt
amber herald
ravager is our only ability with a target cap of 8 I believe
everything else is lower
modern brook
I tihnk prot rav has the stupid tank scaling?
sweet summit
what?
fickle timber
Not sure about scaling..I literally use it to grab aggro on second group and keep enough rage to maintain
amber herald
revenge can hit more than it's cap but it reduces the damage
outer solstice
it's a big dmg thing that only costs 1 GCD....
amber herald
looks cooler than ITF too
sweet summit
oh right, yeah
modern brook
(tclap and revenge)
outer solstice
I mean as long as revenge applies deep wounds shrug
fickle timber
in what world is brutal vitality not good?
modern brook
a world with stalwart and unnerving
sweet summit
IP is weak
jagged pier
its our 3rd best conduit
fickle timber
i run unnerving
jagged pier
but that doesnt say much
outer solstice
stalwart and unnerving just OP
fickle timber
stalwart isnt as good as IP
sweet summit
stalwart is nice but not very strong
modern brook
none of our conduits are very good
jagged pier
stalwarts only op if u run the wall
fickle timber
in M+
jagged pier
and BV will only take u to IP capp
outer solstice
they're just P
oh well I can get SW below 1 minute
modern brook
Most people
jagged pier
and doesnt refresh
outer solstice
I don't like IP shrug
fickle timber
thunderlord is way better in M+, too much synergy and flat 20% DR uptime
modern brook
Its rpobably like a 60-40 split Wall -Tlords for m+
strong forum
Alot of people run wall in m+
jagged pier
its not
outer solstice
hahaha
strong forum
modern brook
Id agree i think tlords is better for m+ but the wall is just dumb strong period
strong forum
I prefer my SW on 1.5min CD, not 4min CD :)
jagged pier
the wall is good on anyweek
outer solstice
wall AM stalwart is good like always
fickle timber
you lose too much dps from the wall
outer solstice
I prefer my SW on 1.5min CD, not 4min CD :)
1.5 minutes? ewwww what you doin?
jagged pier
you lose too much dps from the wall
eh?
modern brook
I prefer my SW on 1.5min CD, not 4min CD :)
confirmed pussy over here
sweet summit
started using TGV a bit and im actually a huge fan
jagged pier
i do like 4k average
strong forum
Not playing AM
fickle timber
uptime on DS
outer solstice
the wall generates a lot of ragew
jagged pier
its not as big damage difference as u think tbh
modern brook
every time WAll vs Tlords comes up im reminded about what they did to our sweet baby boy dragon roar: (
fickle timber
lol facts
strong forum
fickle timber
im a big fan of tlords, i think its gg in M+
modern brook
I was too for a while but ive been converted to the wall for te same reason nom mentioned
it gives SW a low cooldown even without AM
fickle timber
even with all the kiting?
modern brook
which lets you take bolster and have a million CDS
IDT you really need to kite anymore
after all the dungeon nerfs
lofty thistle
You don't really have to kite anymore
fickle timber
well last week yeah
sweet summit
you still have to kite in higher keys
fickle timber
had to kite to break inspiring wihtout CCs especially'
jagged pier
just nuke them
ionic fern
You do have to kite if you're doing content that actually hurts. 🤔
modern brook
3head ass dps
jagged pier
You do have to kite if you're doing content that actually hurts. 🤔
so i should kite mythic sludgefist?
modern brook
so i should kite mythic sludgefist?
stonks
sweet summit
sludge doesnt hurt that much
jagged pier
blazing condor
What spec is best for torghast for us? Prot is pretty safe but kinda slow i feel
modern brook
What spec is best for torghast for us? Prot is pretty safe but kinda slow i feel
this is just warrior
lofty thistle
Arms op for torghast
strong forum
If you're talking TC, then prot is safest bet
modern brook
you literally just get the execute at any % power
fickle timber
arms is good if you know how to stay alive
jolly spindle
arms op for torghast
modern brook
then get permenant uptime on die by the sword
strong forum
For regular torghast as prot you can skip every floor
modern brook
and just chiller
blazing condor
im gonna try arms and see
jolly spindle
and invis pot to the exit
modern brook
and invis pot to the exit
using consumables in torghast 😏
blazing condor
what build you go for? soul remnants with DBTS and what else?
otherwise i'll just look it up im just lazy
strong forum
I can't see how dps would be faster than prot
jolly spindle
every condemn talent u cna find
modern brook
Theres like 19 ways to get perment DBTS
jagged pier
the mobs in torghast do have an aggro range so u can just run and they go back to their spot
you dont need to invis
modern brook
but the only DPS that really matters is the execute one
failing that bonus avatar time is p good
fickle timber
so if you run the wall in M+, do you run DR+Avatar?
modern brook
sure but when your rotation is "press execondem"
the only one that matters is the execute one
sweet summit
you never run dr in m+
jolly spindle
you don't?
modern brook
DR is stinky now
signal plover
Not since the massacre of late beta
sweet summit
dr is bad for both specs
modern brook
"now" being since day 1 of release
fickle timber
still booming voice?
sweet summit
yes
modern brook
Yeah
fickle timber
you run punish right?
modern brook
never
jolly spindle
when u say DR you mean dreadnought right
sweet summit
devastator
fickle timber
ew i hate devastator
sweet summit
dragon roar
fickle timber
9% DR too good
modern brook
when u say DR you mean dreadnought right
ironically we're talking about prot int he prot channel for once
jolly spindle
oh
sweet summit
😂
signal plover
We have arms
modern brook
Arms warrior really should be called biceps warrior tbh
signal plover
On our bodies
modern brook
9% DR too good
imo its overstated
signal plover
Arms is prolly biggest chad spec in game
fickle timber
20% dmg bonus to SS
signal plover
I'm not sure what I mean by that it just fits
strong forum
Devastator gives smoother rotation and more rage gain.
fickle timber
and 9% mitigation
sweet summit
on one target sure
modern brook
its one of those bonsues that loses out to other options that are passive and so its harder to point to it and say i lived cause of devestator
jolly spindle
arms 20k condemns are juicy af
strong forum
devastator is also more damage than punish
sweet summit
if u wanna make that argument you can say the same with condemn
sweet summit
and venthyr is considered the weakest covenant for m+ (maybe necro is behind idc)
strong forum
Cuz tyra is never scary for the tank
fickle timber
venthyr is fine, i ran venthyr until this week
sweet summit
cos devastator is more rage, more SS
strong forum
🤔
median tulip
I hate Devastator
signal plover
This has been a journey
sweet summit
again, on one target
strong forum
Even in raid everybody is playing Deva cuz it's more damage, more rage, more shield slams
The 3-6% DR aren't really that appealing
You won't have enough uptime on 9%
modern brook
and venthyr is considered the weakest covenant for m+ (maybe necro is behind idc...
necros not a covenant until 9.0.5 and even thats up in the air still
outer solstice
also getting the full 9% DR up is not really reliable
strong forum
Not enough resets
outer solstice
yeah
amber herald
started using TGV a bit and im actually a huge fan
TGV?
modern brook
that fucking gremlin ability
sweet summit
thunderlord
outer solstice
that fucking gremlin ability
still better than old school HS xD
median tulip
By the way, just reading back a bit; regarding Shield Block, you can overlap the cast with an existing buff a bit, I have noticed. I presume that it's a similar window to the Pandemic effect, although I haven't tested it extensively
strong forum
It's 1-1 Zeta
modern brook
Devestate may as well had a sound effect of your like highschool algebra teacher asking why you're such a failure every time you press it
outer solstice
I love HS @sweet summit but it was even more gremlin at many points
strong forum
It's straight up 1-1 addition
modern brook
By the way, just reading back a bit; regarding Shield Block, you can overlap the...
if u press sb back to back its full duration
cloud tide
hi did prot get good buff with necro changes?
sweet summit
we just had this conversation
strong forum
Potentially Videk
sweet summit
indirectly sure maybe
strong forum
Potentially
outer solstice
@cloud tide we have to wait and see
cloud tide
did anyone do ptr yet?
outer solstice
I hope the necro changes go live as they are rn xD xD
sweet summit
wish i could peek into the future
modern brook
the reason you dont just dump sb charges like that is 1) rage management 2) rarely will you need 12 seconds straight so you can get better value out of it by splitting it so you're not blocking during a cast, for example.
fickle timber
thank you!
outer solstice
hands @sweet summit a crystal ball
fickle timber
its just not good planning Bull, i agree
outer solstice
GO ERGA! use that thingy!
fickle timber
if youre going to do that, you may as well macro
modern brook
I mean
fickle timber
and thatll get you to 10
modern brook
no
fickle timber
if youre going to dump SB charges because you have them
modern brook
Like its a bad habbit to dump shield charges like we're legion monk w/ ironskin brew
outer solstice
you don't dump SB charges
sweet summit
can you not
modern brook
but its still better than just SB every SS
outer solstice
you don't...
fickle timber
jesus fuckign christ
i know
but people keep saying/asking
if you are going to pop it every time its off CD
its redundant to not macrop
sweet summit
thats not whats implied tho
outer solstice
yeah something totally different was said here
sweet summit
youre putting words into other peoples mouths
modern brook
timber nest
how we feelin about losing ilevel for haste on rings? i lose like 500 hp to gain over 200 haste
modern brook
Theres a lot that goes into that decision
outer solstice
there are a lot of different scennarios in which you want to alter the order of SB and SS even IF you use them together, then on the other hand often when you want to use SB, SS is not ready... and the other way around, there are situations you don't want to use SB when you use SS
sweet summit
if its a big ilvl upgrade, go for it
modern brook
if you're still gearing just take ilvl always
outer solstice
don't forget we get good value from all secondaries
fickle timber
losing ilvl on rings is OK - you only lose stam
signal plover
I bind together whirlwind and shield block and let God sort em out
fickle timber
wiothin 7 ilvl i'd sim it for the dmg
outer solstice
you also loose other secondaries
fickle timber
within 7ilvl~
modern brook
The dream
fickle timber
well im assuming you generally take the haste for the rage
outer solstice
as I said, the other secondaries are not bad
fickle timber
i dropped a 213 to a 207 but it gave me haste/crit
ionic fern
you end up with a near 100% mastery build
No. There was a bug in SIMC that overvalued mastery.
fickle timber
lost crit/mastery
modern brook
No. There was a bug in SIMC that overvalued mastery.
no such thing
its MASTERy for a reason
sweet summit
did u fix unnerving? 👀
strong forum
That's cuz unnerving isn't fixed on live isn't it
ionic fern
Haven't had the time.
modern brook
well thats my options
207 haste verse is considerable over the crit/mast one soley cause you enchanted the crit mast one with crit
outer solstice
No. There was a bug in SIMC that overvalued mastery.
oh yeah I see crit haste now I see?
sweet summit
fair enough, just curious
modern brook
203 is ok cause of the socket
strong forum
well thats my options
I'd use the double haste rings
fickle timber
socket is worth approx 10 ilvls give or take
outer solstice
That's cuz unnerving isn't fixed on live isn't it
what's wrong with it? *gasp
modern brook
but from an optimizations tand point stop beinga pussy and socket w/ venari in the maw
signal plover
I'd take the 207 haste over the 210
timber nest
@modern brook its only cri tbecause i have it for my arms set at the moment
modern brook
<@!204081428869283843> its only cri tbecause i have it for my arms set at the mo...
If it sims best for arms that way just leave it and use the haste ring
frankly no ring choice will make you not die out of these (notably harder than any of the others i mean)
strong forum
what's wrong with it? *gasp
It doesn't work on the rage refund from execute
signal plover
Heck
outer solstice
damn
strong forum
Cuz it's technically not rage gen
sweet summit
probably intended tbh
modern brook
^
strong forum
Idgaf, gimme more rage during execute
modern brook
that sounds like some minor value that we could get as a class
strong forum
modern brook
we all know thats reserved for VDH
timber nest
Anyone using this btw yet? I just got one
modern brook
no damage allowed here
outer solstice
seems weak
fickle timber
not going to lie
jagged pier
looks bad :bonk cat:
strong forum
660 haste is huge, but not for tank
modern brook
DEVASTATE is great for orb weeks
so is auto attacks
timber nest
@fickle timber heroic throw does the same thing
ionic fern
You know what would be great for orb weeks?
Not having a minimum range on Heroic THrow.
....
strong forum
This
sweet summit
THIS
outer solstice
^
fickle timber
agreed.
deft vessel
it's so non intuitive
I hate it
a hunter can shoot at their feet
but we can throw our damn weapon at our feet
modern brook
You know what would be great for orb weeks?
Not having a minimum range on Heroic...
just V I C T O R Y R U S H O H W A I T T H E Y G O T R I D O F T H I S B U T N O T S O U L D R A I N S H A R D G E N
outer solstice
well took them a long time to learn
median tulip
Anyone using this btw yet? I just got one
10% uptime and it isn't available at a high ILvl means it's poorly regarded, especially when compared with other haste trinkets like the Anima Field Emitter
sweet summit
i miss VR off explosive :sadge:
fickle timber
macabre !
sweet summit
ravager is fun :)
deft vessel
it is!
modern brook
yeah fair
outer solstice
10% uptime and it isn't available at a high ILvl means it's poorly regarded, esp...
I have nearly 30% uptime on anima field emitter on shriek to give an example
modern brook
Reformed ravager no longer parties, just goes to work in a nice tailored suit, brings home the busicuits has a beer and goes to bed by 9
big fan
modern brook
the yell spec woulda been realized:(
signal plover
Dude I even forgot they used to be on different rows. I just meant the nerferino at the end
But ya
timber nest
@outer solstice i have a 203 ilevel of that trinket, even on high movement fights you think its good?
strong forum
Anime is considered bis
deft vessel
I stubbornly run dragon roar sometimes, usually only on pure single target or in the open world lul
can't run in m+, feels bad tho
strong forum
I used it for leveling
signal plover
Same
strong forum
Cuz there it's actually good
deft vessel
it's fine ST imo
deft vessel
BV always feels great
signal plover
Ya fair
signal plover
I messed around with BSC/seismic memes this weekend.
modern brook
lol anime
signal plover
Can't wait for fortified week with that silliness
outer solstice
<@!214865963756158986> i have a 203 ilevel of that trinket, even on high movemen...
it's a short duration ground effect that proccs a lot, even if you miss one, you still get a high uptime
devout kindle
Is Torghast as easy for pwar as other tanks? Dinging this afternoon and trying to scoop up some ash before reset.
outer solstice
warriors in general have an easy time in thorghast
devout kindle
What's the big money power to snatch?
outer solstice
played it as all 3 speccs in first layer 8 week before nerfs
modern brook
execute
outer solstice
execute
modern brook
warriors general game plan in torghast for all specs
outer solstice
as well as the increased duration defensives, especially for TC
modern brook
get the excute power -> be invincible
devout kindle
Ty I appreciate the advice
deft vessel
also shouts, again, cus shouty warrior is fun warrior
strong forum
If you play regular torghast, just ignore everything and boss rush ( if you have the ilvl ofc)
deft vessel
esp if you're playing with others
outer solstice
or be afk and slowly slay yourself though it
deft vessel
shouty warriro great
strong forum
For TC you want 3x shout, several ignore pain + sw ones, increased rage gen and the execute one
Around 50 powers is when you start to become invincible
outer solstice
or play arms and get the increased duration dbts
also don't sleep on the charge/leap +200% power, amazing thing
strong forum
Its annoying but will speed up killing bosses alot
outer solstice
is phial of putrefecation simming correctly?
modern brook
phial is probably the single best passive dps trinket in the game
outer solstice
on a pure damage thing the 207 version I have bagged beats out a 226 anime (just slightly and also anime better for tanking, but still surprising)
outer solstice
oh well didn't expect the 207 version to be so close to the other trinkets
strong forum
I mean it's a haste proc
modern brook
^
Stats are good because of the balance of damage and surv
as you know sims are only damage
so
I know you know this; its just not surprising cause of it lol
outer solstice
yeah for survival the stats are clearly superior
just didn't expect it to be so close with such a big Ilvl difference xD
strong forum
ilvl on trinkets are to be taken lightly
outer solstice
yeah haven't looked into the scaling of vial yet
phila ...
phial, REEEEEEEEEE
how to beat noms run on huntsman: equip horrible DPS trinkets, tank only boss, use less than 2 IP
😛
strong forum
👍
balmy summit
Hey Guys.....pretty bored with my current class and fancy just smashing faces. Prot seems to get a bit of a bashing, I assume it's perfectly fine for casual play up to +15s ...it's just that other tanks perform better in various ways?
outer solstice
mostly DH in M+
but we're fine
hardest thing is to convince other players from that
placid oar
Hi guys, just wanna check if a 220 ilvl Stone legion trinket is better equipped than a 226 ilvl Emitter (Haste trinket) for M+?
outer solstice
226 anime is pretty stronk
modern brook
Hi guys, just wanna check if a 220 ilvl Stone legion trinket is better equipped ...
no
unless you're never in the emitter field
outer solstice
what's your other one?
modern brook
- haste is generally more valuable than verse 2) 6 more ilvls of strength
placid oar
Cos I just got a stone legion trinket and wondering if it’s actually better for me
modern brook
- Im fairly certain its more haste than SLG is verse but idr off hand
outer solstice
also anime regulary proccs when a fight starts
balmy summit
I have a VDH but tbh the class fantasy and transmogs don't do it for me......only casual play so if prot is fine that will do. I'll just run my own keys if its a real pain. Night Fae covenant seems best if I want to play all 3 specs right?
outer solstice
yeah I am NF and do Arms in raid sometimes
modern brook
Ven also fine for the content you're considering
outer solstice
placid oar
I see, thanks guys. Will swap out my Stone legion trinket for the Emitter.
Would there be any chance where the Stone legion trinket would be better? Like having another party member equipping it?
strong forum
hard to tell, but i guess if you have multiple people in your party running heraldry, it beats out anime
outer solstice
the anime field is so short that even if you miss the buff a few times it's still very strong
balmy summit
VDH is Kyrian, Druid Night Fae. DOn't have venthyr...if they are much of the same then sounds like a go-er. Which feels better, fits in the rotation better/easier?
strong forum
cuz itll be more stats on average
1 heraldry has the same stat uptime over 1min as emitter
placid oar
hard to tell, but i guess if you have multiple people in your party running hera...
I see, thank you Nomeratur
outer solstice
@balmy summit that's on erga to answer if you're interested in hwo good condemn fits in
placid oar
the anime field is so short that even if you miss the buff a few times it's stil...
Ah I see, thank you Dr
spice shadow
I got the Emitter, SLG and Quantum. Would the best pairing be Emitter and SLG?
outer solstice
yeah but keep in mind anime proccs pretty reliable when a fight starts
quantum is annoying
modern brook
I got the Emitter, SLG and Quantum. Would the best pairing be Emitter and SLG?
personally i dont find quantum worth playing around
outer solstice
even if it would be theoretically better I'd not use it
modern brook
statistically, its probably better
spice shadow
Yeah, i think its proc wouldn't be the best when from a defensive pov
modern brook
You'd still only be trying to get the stats from it
sweet summit
iqd is not a great "tank trinket"
spice shadow
If it's haste proc then kind of wasted
modern brook
Idk how easy that is from the front lines though
sweet summit
100% anime and slh
spice shadow
coolcool, cheers
ripe mirage
is night fae decent or should I go kyrian?
chilly brook
is night fae decent or should I go kyrian?
Nf is great
ripe mirage
thanks
bitter crest
I have Venthyr and Kyrian as Protwarrior and have to say that i miss the big dmg-burst from Spear. The Condemn is pretty unnoticeable.
sweet kayak
hey, if you using plater, how can you make the explosives name plate different than enemy name plates?
I mean the color
they are all red
mental scarab
soo same isch ivl what trinkets do we use for raid?
modern brook
hey, if you using plater, how can you make the explosives name plate different t...
#ui-addons-manager can help
but the answer is yes i just dont know how
sweet summit
phial+slh ideally i think
chilly brook
soo same isch ivl what trinkets do we use for raid?
What thinkets do you have?
mental scarab
field emitter 207, sinful glad 88 haste 200, quantom deviec 200, grim codex 220