maybe we can jump out, hit the buff and charge back in, we have to see hwo it works
#protection
outer solstice
mossy sluice
its on your character
raven dove
have to stay in
outer solstice
@novel ruin all of it, hehehe (if you're padding)
raven dove
to keep the buff
astral crystal
yikes
outer solstice
will it stick to the initial ones?
sweet summit
as muc has possible without dying
raven dove
Be easy enough to test though
novel ruin
Rip me
raven dove
Grab 2 mates
outer solstice
unless you are one of dem ventyr warriors like that Erga, then you don't revenge on ST if that shiny red button is available
novel ruin
Eww condemn tank
mighty cairn
being able to snap channel Fleshcraft for DR on things like sludgefist charge, hand of destruction, Xymox bombs, etc. is interesting
novel ruin
Banner in m+ will also be very interesting
outer solstice
huntsman soul rip xD
mighty cairn
nah my healers love healing up my fatty soul after getting ripped xd
outer solstice
I mean I already take like no damage from that shit, soul rip kind of is a joke
like 15k or so
mighty cairn
ye initially i definitely thought it'd be more an issue than it actually was
mossy sluice
vulpera
novel ruin
^
outer solstice
switching to ally for gnome obviously shrug
amber herald
dwarf niya simps only
wicked lantern
Does renown have a higher chance of dropping from mythic dungeons than heroic/normal if you've swapped covs?
cunning parcel
Last I heard it was purely RNG
lofty nexus
Doing M+ on my rogue i've found the RNG to be about 33%ish. Keep in mind this is just eyeball and not official. Hoping to give you an idea.
keen stirrup
so mythic Council... can prot warrior kite ads in the last phase?
raven dove
LFR gives pretty quick and easy renown, got 1 from each wing yesterday after swapping
cunning parcel
I got 3 from 8 bosses in normal on my alt
deep steppe
question oh wise warrior chat
Lightless Force or Celestial Guidance for a weapon enchant
signal plover
so mythic Council... can prot warrior kite ads in the last phase?
Not rly no. Probably better off killing em
Vdh/BRM are the most viable for it.
deep steppe
i remember one of the earlier guides recommended lightless force at launch, but idk if that has changed
signal plover
3 tank is also an option on the fight (if you have a ww/HDH that can tank OS)
solar spear
I actually go ascended vigor to help my healer out, but lightless force is best for damage in aoe
celestial guidance is good for a bit of damage reduction, bit of dps increase
personal preference really
novel echo
Hi everyone
I need some advice, I’m finding myself very squishy 😦 I’m 207 item level but finding I’m getting hit badly on just mythic 6s
mossy sluice
trash or bosses or
timber lagoon
No
mossy sluice
they always matter but if youre having probs w/ m6's theres a deeper problem
solar spear
difficult to know without logs. keeping shield block up is the main thing
mossy sluice
^
solar spear
upgrading your shield is the biggest thing gear-wise defensively
novel echo
I’ve been prioritising ignore pain over SB
novel echo
I thought there was a lot more casters in dungeons in SL
timber lagoon
Depends on the pack
timber lagoon
So knowledge is important
stark sage
and casters can be kicked or stunned
novel echo
Ohh I see!
weak flower
Eyo peeps, long time lurker here. What are your thoughts on the 2x legendary combos in the future? Are we screwed from this pov? Are we going TL / Wall?
mossy sluice
yeah wall is sick
timber lagoon
Are you using SW, LS and Demo shout?
mossy sluice
what talents are you running
novel echo
Umm shall i@do a pic?
mossy sluice
that or just say what # they are on the row
solar spear
could just say e.g: im running 3 2 2 1 2 3 3
novel echo
2 2 2 1 2 1 1
mossy sluice
Eyo peeps, long time lurker here. What are your thoughts on the 2x legendary com...
i think the wall + unbrekable will could be pretty sick in some situations
novel echo
Oh I’m using jnbreakable will as well not wall
novel echo
Ooo and it’s a cape, that’s good cos I’m poor lol
mossy sluice
your talents are kinda whack, try 3/3/2/x/2/3/3 for m+
timber lagoon
^^^
novel echo
Storm bolt as tank? My guild said no way 😳
mossy sluice
2 stuns is better than 1 stun more often
double time is kinda ok too but its more qol than actual usefulness
weak flower
i think the wall + unbrekable will could be pretty sick in some situations
Fair point, but in m+ would you not go wall + tl?
novel echo
Icy veins is a liar then cos you guys must know what you’re talking about lol
weak flower
Icy veins gives you options where you have a choice
deep steppe
Storm bolt as tank? My guild said no way 😳
Stormbolt is very useful
weak flower
If it's ? It means they're almost on par
novel echo
I must have chosen the worst out of the options then haha
last mason
thoughts, female pandaren or male troll for shaman
mossy sluice
Fair point, but in m+ would you not go wall + tl?
yeah you dont run AM in M+ atm so its prob just tl/the wall. the shield wall combo seems nutty for raids. 25% dr on a ~1 min cd for the whole raid seems ridic
solar spear
its also looking at it and thinking about what you need, like bolster is much more defensive than anger management against melee attacks, so its used for m+, wheras AM is used for raids usually
sterile moss
storm bolt is the way to go for m+
novel echo
Thanks for the tips guys
radiant oxide
what the best draven last conduit?
novel echo
I chose UW cos I didn’t think I’d be able to afford 2 legendaries
chilly brook
and raid if you're lazy like me and want a dumb instant cast <:yep:7034209236250...
It can be useful on huntsboi
mossy sluice
uw isn't even top 3 tho, the wall is the one you want
deep steppe
It can be useful on huntsboi
tru tru 
chilly brook
Tf is UW
mossy sluice
the shield wall for your buds when you wall
chilly brook
Wat
mossy sluice
that legendary
novel echo
Either icy veins or wowhead told me to
weak flower
yeah you dont run AM in M+ atm so its prob just tl/the wall. the shield wall co...
So here is where I am confused, if if says for ur party does that take your entire raid into account or just your raid group, a.k.a if youre gr1 just ur 5 in gr1
mossy sluice
So here is where I am confused, if if says for ur party does that take your enti...
it may just be party wide which is way worse, i haven't used it and just read the tooltip so its prob windfury totem syndrome
novel echo
<:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
Wtf I just checked, the only thing I can think of is I saw “the wall” and chose UW cos it does shield wall, I’ve wasted all my soul ash I’m an idiot
novel echo
Ok I am going for the wall now ... the right one, what can I do with this@leggo?
chilly brook
Keep it in your bag
solar spear
talking of stuff acting on party or raid, does stone legion heraldry count everyone in raid or just party?
novel echo
Oh I have 1800 ash I’m ok !
mossy sluice
party afaik
chilly brook
talking of stuff acting on party or raid, does stone legion heraldry count every...
Party
solar spear
aah ok thanks
novel echo
Haste and crit yeah? Just to check
mossy sluice
haste vers
novel echo
Oh man I’m bad now I’m just embarrassed lol
timber lagoon
The fact you're asking questions and want to improve is great. No need to be embarrassed
patent osprey
The fact you're asking questions and want to improve is great. No need to be emb...
Fact
dull fossil
soo. I recently actually clicked that "Protection" spec button for the first time since MoP.
And everything feels completely different and I feel like I'm simply flailing around. Pally tanking seems to be much more my playstyle but I don't want to give up Prot just yet.
Any hints, maybe in regards to how it felt in former times, how to adjust?
I think my main problem is that I never seem to have enough Rage for defensives because I'm too busy doing Revenge (and some Thunderclap) to hold at least some aggro.. I think it's not learning, it's actually actively unlearning I need.
mossy sluice
m+?
dull fossil
yep, low keys so far. also maybe I need to actually equip worse gear, does that still give more rage if you take more damage?
mossy sluice
nah its just a number per attack
take ravager if you havent
gives you rage, does threat
45s cd its available for almost every pull unless you're blasting
dull fossil
I tried it once and it felt odd. will try it sagain
timber lagoon
I didn't run ravager when I started tanking low keys. I wouldn't ever run keys without it now
Extra rage plus threat is great
Can throw a ravager into a pack and then charge
chilly brook
@patent osprey why didnt you tell me that being Venthyr prot is actually dope
verbal cedar
I can't wait to be necrolord and wear the bones of my enemies as armor.
patent osprey
<@133743762999476224> why didnt you tell me that being Venthyr prot is actually ...
Wut u mean! I always say its fine 🙂
chilly brook
Wut u mean! I always say its fine 🙂
Nah I mean like bruh 13k condemns is just badass
chilly brook
Conduit energy is big dumb
chilly brook
Just unlocked most of everything soulbind wise for Venthyr
amber herald
conduit energy?
chilly brook
And I have like no conduit energy
Because unlocking the slot and putting something in it consumes one for some reason
blazing gale
blizzard hq: lets make all conduits basically usless so people dont cry about swapping them
maybe not for tank but the dps one's are so small upgrades
chilly brook
maybe not for tank but the dps one's are so small upgrades
Idk it depends
25% longer duration on reck is pretty good
rose quartz
Which covenent u pick as Prot doesnt matter acutally a lot. U gotta pick what suits your group best. Play with devestator on 15.. then play Bolster on 50 with Rage bonus from [Unnerving Focus] conduit. The lego "the wall" gives your shieldblock additional Rage. Rota is allways - jump in, Ravager, (If bigger Pull Shield wall or Last stand with extra rage) Block up, and revenge spam/ or ignore pain. I am a 1400 Rio, and I think most guide specs with Thunderlord and Avatar and Anger management and Booming Voice is complete bullshit. 20% dmg reduction is too less. Do get aggro at the start, Ravager and Dragon Roar are perfect. Rest u gotta bump in deff anyways. and Crackeling Thunder with more range isnt worth anything. After ur defffs are burnt out u jump away and kite on +17 keys.
astral crystal
tfw literally going to shoot up orgrimmar and kms if i have to go necrolord next patch
maldraxxus is such dog vomit
mossy sluice
Which covenent u pick as Prot doesnt matter acutally a lot. U gotta pick what su...
:wat:
deep steppe
plush tendon
Have you seen the Necrolord Cov armor though? Straight fire
plush tendon
???
strong forum
mythic raid > covenant sets
deep steppe
^
strong forum
just for the sole reason thats its rarer
chilly brook
Which covenent u pick as Prot doesnt matter acutally a lot. U gotta pick what su...
Most guides dont tell you to run AM in keys
strong forum
and it just looks fucking baller
plush tendon
I mean, I guess. Im 5/10 Mythic and still dont have a single mythic plate piece
chilly brook
Get that furry shit outta here
strong forum
you know you love it
chilly brook
Weirdo
plush tendon
Cant stand Vulpera
chilly brook
I love it so much I already race changed
plush tendon
but cant deny, what a strong tank race
deft vessel
sweet egret
can you guys explain the thinking behind stone legion heraldry being so strong?
deft vessel
Highmountain tauren is where it's at, that charge is fire
plush tendon
I cant really talk though... I am a basic bitch blood elf on all my toons
mossy sluice
undead war
chilly brook
can you guys explain the thinking behind stone legion heraldry being so strong?
It's a lot of vers that you dont have to think about
It's just a solid stat stick
mossy sluice
stats is good
grand drum
Vers statstick
sweet egret
I just feel like I'd miss the big shield of bargast's leash
mossy sluice
who u killin
sweet egret
I've been trying to find hakkar, don't like the look of vintage
strong forum
i have a 200 scale from the first m+ i ran
sweet egret
is it strong?
strong forum
but i guess i wont be able to upgradei t
chilly brook
Scale is big
strong forum
SMILE
sweet egret
ye, I was asking about vintage though
mossy sluice
vintage is just psychic shell from nzoth. decent sized shield on a short cd
mossy sluice
yeah true
strong forum
but still good
man if i equip all my haste vers pieces instead of my big haste pieces
i drop from 28% haste to 23%
but i gain 10% vers
this game kaka
modern brook
"gain" smh
modern brook
PVP
modern brook
check agian 4head
deep steppe
strong forum
but i wanna use this one
😦
i have a socket lying around but cant decide what to socket
its so cringe
signal plover
max vers tnak huehuehue
lilac bloom
im having problems on phase 2. During the 2nd hand of destruction. And ravage on when i took the boss back. It hits me really hard even when im using cd for it
lilac bloom
oops i meant phase3
strong forum
p3 is just alot of group dmg cuz of hand of destruction, your healers have to be awake there
dont hesitate to use raid CDs, ask for externals
lilac bloom
during 2nd and 3rd ravage is how ppl die and me dying
strong forum
tank swap regularily around 6ish stacks (whenever the debuff drops on the cotank or just after the tank combo)
thats weird
ravage does fuckall
do you just tank it?
lilac bloom
but when i ran or strafe away from he hits me really hard
strong forum
are you managing your shattering pain debuffs properly?
lilac bloom
i ran away from revage when i had the boss thats when i die
lilac bloom
i dont know ... everytime i took it it killed me
strong forum
got any logs
lilac bloom
not with me im at work
im using my phone 4 discord
just hint i just swap when bigwigs or dbm calls out
strong forum
dont do that
lilac bloom
and as well i soak the orbs
lilac bloom
ohhh.. he had 8 b4 and i took it when dbm calls
strong forum
you need SB / SW / LS ready for when he does his tank combo
you swap depending on stacks, always
if you see he has many stacks
you insta taunt before the combo
you continue tanking until his stacks drop
lilac bloom
whats the tank combo
lilac bloom
ohhh probably y i didnt know i need se
strong forum
that thing does fatty damage if you have high stacks / dont have block up
lilac bloom
shield wall and cds
echo egret
Sigh... I'm only needing 2 +15 for the achievement and getting into pugs has gotten near impossible
strong forum
if you dont have block, use other shit
like overstacking and not using shit for the tank combo is the only stuff that can kill you
lilac bloom
so shattering pain do shielsd block?
strong forum
absolutely
deep steppe
^
lilac bloom
ohh ok i used avatar but didnt have sw up or sb
strong forum
i took 5 combos of Shattering Pain, and only took 77k dmg from it total
lilac bloom
probably should use last stans
lilac bloom
5 combos of shat pain? does it dissapear?
strong forum
ofc
you tank swap
this is my dmg intake in p3
scorn is the dot
you wanna regularily have it drop off
lilac bloom
each shatter pain does 5 hit combo?
lilac bloom
but i should use shield block b4 it cast
lilac bloom
damn ok. probably y i died
i just used spell reflect on hand of destruction and spam sb but didnt have it for shattering pain
i might need to not use sb so much
strong forum
well use it wisely
lilac bloom
and save it for shatter
strong forum
dont use it when youre not actively tanking too much
lilac bloom
but if i am
strong forum
any of the 3 buttons LS/SW/SB
strong forum
ye
lilac bloom
i still have to keep sb from that? ohhh ok
strong forum
and youre save to continue playing the game
if you just run, he will slap your booty cheeks
unless you strafe properly
lilac bloom
ya which is y i try to backstep but thats not good cos im still standing on ravage pool
so ravage either straff or jump and hand of destruction spell reflect .. then when shatter comes use sb or whatver cd
lilac bloom
great thx ill try it
signal plover
Just remember he ports behind ya
So gotta react quick or u get multiple back hits
And he does melee relatively hard in p3
frozen tree
im leveling prot rn and do some classic dungeons. im getting blasted here and there almost one shot. is scaling shit?!
strong forum
leveling is an entirely different game
frozen tree
its depressing 😄
strong forum
gotta git gudder
what can i tell you
i havent leveld since 2011 so i have no clue how it is now
nimble drift
@strong forum when do you use reflect in p3
nimble drift
same i guess, i feel like i don't use it enough then
nimble drift
cool
eternal glen
Hello, any thoughts about ptr necrolord changes ? If they come to live will be worth to reroll necrolord as prot?
strong forum
are there any good strats for first boss in ToP?
kill melee guy first, interrupt the other casts that arent necrotic bolt
strong forum
Hello, any thoughts about ptr necrolord changes ? If they come to live will be w...
for maximising raid damage yes
you'll be buff bitch
eternal glen
Im thinking about m+
strong forum
eh
if you play around your boomy and or unholy dk, maybe?
if you play with classes that want big dick mastery, it could be quite strong in m+
eternal glen
You think that build with necrolord soulbinders wont be stronger for m+
eternal glen
Ive seen them today and they are lot stronger than kyrian
strong forum
are they changing soulbinds?
eternal glen
Nah
The necrolord conduit gives you 10-16% strength + some extra stats for dps or survivability
In addition to fleshcraft change and the banner it feels that will improve by a lot the power of warrior in m+
Prot warriors*
onyx moon
Idk man that heal and extra damage/rage from spear is nice
the ability to remove bleeds is really good
eternal glen
Yeah agreed but the overall soulbinds and conduits arent gr8
strong forum
350mastery on 1min CD is quite big
tbh
thats a 20% dmg buff, idk if banner can offset that with mastery + bonus str every 2min
eternal glen
The bannrr gives 500 but it gives it also to 2 allies
strong forum
ye but 2min CD for less duration
eternal glen
On 2 minues cd ofc
onyx moon
Prot warrior is in a tough spot right now and blizzard is trying to tread lightly our class scales extremely well and if you give prot warriors an inch of help we end up getting a mile out of it
vague jetty
I mean 350 mastery isn't quite as big as you think when we already do shit damage
strong forum
20% is 20%
vague jetty
20% of 0 is not "big"
strong forum
the "low dmg" argument is irrelevant
eternal glen
Brb
vague jetty
20% of something small, is not big. 500 mastery to 2 specs that do alot of damage, is big
strong forum
yes but it was specifically talked about soulbinds in that context
onyx moon
prot mastery gives AP which scales up our ignore pain as well
strong forum
im not saying 400 mastery to 2 other specs isnt broken
onyx moon
our conduits could use some buffs
strong forum
we could use new conduits
we could use a 20% dmg buff aswell
instead of this bullshit buffbitch cringe
vague jetty
The offensive conduits
onyx moon
like fueled by violence is extremely under tunes
vague jetty
Feel terrible
onyx moon
tuned
onyx moon
yeah but then they nerfed master and commander lol
strong forum
isnt that a pvp talent
strong forum
🤷♂️
onyx moon
show of force isnt bad
strong forum
what
wicked lantern
Idk I kinda like the 20hps from fueled by violence.
deep steppe
its awful wdym
onyx moon
gives us more damage
vague jetty
I have to agree with him on this one, kinda bad
onyx moon
better then the other options we got lol
sweet egret
BIS IN SLOT, clearly
strong forum
that doesnt make it good
vague jetty
Surprised they never gave us a shield slam conduit
onyx moon
thunderclap could use more Rage generation
vague jetty
yeah
strong forum
TC needs to straight up do 100% more damage
then it'd be a good conduit
but rn its worse than Revenge, which is just dogshit
sweet summit
buff UF back to 100%
onyx moon
if they took the damage cap off of it that would be great
strong forum
a generator with 6 sec CD that hits like a grass leaf
brittle owl
dk's are in a way worse spot
onyx moon
atm
chilly brook
DKs have better dps
onyx moon
they are a raid tank through and through
onyx moon
probably
brittle owl
you'd rather take a dps dk to cover amz
onyx moon
speaking of a redesign
strong forum
the fact that theyre LITERAL WHEELCHAIRS is why they arent a raid tank
brittle owl
then arms or fury to cover bs
onyx moon
i think prot could use a buff
chilly brook
Too much reliance on high HP pools and not much in terms of actual damage reduction when things hit so hard
It works to a point
vague jetty
Prot could use a damage buff
chilly brook
But the weakness is super obvious once content gets harder
strong forum
DA is fine
strong forum
but especially Denathrius and Council theyre just like
onyx moon
waiting for that DH nerf
strong forum
brittle owl
buff other tanks
strong forum
dont nerf DH
misty tartan
what's DA?
brittle owl
death's advance
onyx moon
well its blizzard so you know
brittle owl
fuck you passive against any movement impairing effrct
misty tartan
im a prot warr for 4 expansiosn and idk what that is 😛
chilly brook
And then you activate it for a 30% increase
onyx moon
its pretty god
chilly brook
So you basically have normal move speed
onyx moon
yup
misty tartan
my dream in plaguefall
onyx moon
any of you guys run mythics?
misty tartan
fuck those guys around the tentacle area
strong forum
any of you guys run mythics?
wdym
chilly brook
I mean legit you can just ignore a lot of movement stuff as DK
onyx moon
looking for a another prot warrior perspective
chilly brook
It's pretty pog
strong forum
🐷
brittle owl
i am mythic wf irl +28
misty tartan
looking for a another prot warrior perspective
i'm doing m+ with some pug/half guild team on +17/+18
onyx moon
like which legendary do you prefer and what kind of talents you run
misty tartan
same for me
onyx moon
so you run the wall over thunderlords?
strong forum
i only run weekly max
chilly brook
I do
strong forum
cuz rest isnt worth
chilly brook
I dont find TL that compelling in m+ compared to the steady rage increase of the wall
misty tartan
most trouble i have are hard hitting non-cc adds or bosses, so not much need for thunderlord. I also dont really pull big that often.
brittle owl
warrior is door
chilly brook
And you can get a LOT of shield walls in a m+ with the wall
brittle owl
🚪
brittle owl
😦 people forgot prepatch memes
strong forum
i have a couple keys on my youtube uploaded if thats what youre looking for @onyx moon
strong forum
mainly just typical pepega shit weekly keys
chilly brook
The TL CDR cap killed my soul
chilly brook
Is it bad that I'm running Show of Force now
misty tartan
today I experienced the shield wall application per soul remnant in torghast, that was pretty neat too. would like it in m+.
chilly brook
Cuz harrowing is kinda booty
misty tartan
right i have to do choreghast
do the weekly chorus of souls thing, it's quite nice to have a different playthrough
strong forum
na i just go max speed
chilly brook
do the weekly chorus of souls thing, it's quite nice to have a different playthr...
Would be fun with others
Idk whether to craft exploiter or keep upgrading signet
Kinda thinking exploiter for those phatty mortal strikes in pvp
strong forum
condoomers run exploiter in pooveepee
onyx moon
no show of force is one of our best conduits its just not great is all people were saying
@strong forum Absolutely thats what im looking for im having a hard time discerning what is optimal
says Thunderlords is best for progression mythics but a bunch of high end prot warriors run the wall
onyx moon
seems to imply it from what i see
strong forum
misty tartan
thoughts on anima field trinket? I used it a 210ilv 2 dungeons now instead of 186 blood scale. not a fan
chilly brook
It's good
brittle owl
grand drum
Member when last expansions power systems made us stronk? I member
brittle owl
new players in #protection
strong forum
remember when that was the only nerf we needed
removal of borrowed power
but nooooooOOOOOOO
people had to lose their shit 24/7 about pwar
cuz muh r1 tank
grand drum
Lets nerf clap to 42% AP omegalul
strong forum
when it was only m+ bullshit -.-
current playstyle is better
now just gimme like 20% dmg and a bit more block uptime
and pwar is a god again
onyx moon
@strong forume under where is says raids and it has thunderlords under mythic thats was confusing lol
gentle hamlet
yesterday my raid leader mentioned to me that with upcoming changes to necrolord, he might ask me to switch.
Anybody have more information about this and its effectiveness in group?
deep steppe
so he wants you to be a simp
onyx moon
lol
jagged pier
u a buff bitch now
deep steppe
I mean the mastery buff has the potential to make certain classes /THICC/
jagged pier
and i wouldnt start changing tilll tuning comes in
deep steppe
yeah basically, you'll be using your power
to make certain dps
PHAT
but you'll just kinda
be there
onyx moon
Well Ill give THE WALL a go in mythics and see if i like it more
gentle hamlet
will it hinder my effectiveness in keys?
deep steppe
I mean what kinda keys do you do?
gentle hamlet
13-15
deep steppe
if you're doing just like 10-15's you'll be fine
yeah
you'll be fine
its just that
the point of you going necro
is not /really/ to make you better
gentle hamlet
thanks guys, and just one last question, is it going to work exactly the same as standard is currently working? or will the whole ability be changing
deep steppe
its so you can buff your dps
jagged pier
thanks guys, and just one last question, is it going to work exactly the same as...
well it works similarly but its one your back now
not on the ground
last mason
how is alliance so appalingly bad at bgs
gentle hamlet
wicked, thanks a bunch for info
onyx moon
think they will let us equip 2 legos
heady ivy
Are there any CN guides that are recommended generally?
deep steppe
think they will let us equip 2 legos
eventually, that would be my guess
jagged pier
Are there any CN guides that are recommended generally?
nice block and SR guide in the pins
tank notes is good
as well
onyx moon
being able to equip both TL and the wall would be nice
heady ivy
Yeah I've read the pins I was just looking for more of positional tips for the bosses
Yesterday i was doing sire and apparently everybody (but me) knows to face him to the wall in p1 for example
onyx moon
what kind of conduits do you gents run?
solemn kelp
Hello guys. Council of Blood heroic. Freida's soul spikes: is there a trick to taunting so you only take 2 hits or is it broken?
solemn kelp
that is an option of course
but say we chose to kill her last
is she actually bugged?
solemn kelp
no matter how we try to taunt one tank (both prot wars) get hit with all 4 spikes
strong forum
if its a channeled ability, theres nothing you can do
once cast on 1 tank, it stays on said tank
solemn kelp
ah
dawn geode
just intervene?
solemn kelp
working as intended
dawn geode
Idk we kill her first
strong forum
frieda - stavros - niklaus
solemn kelp
intervene would keep tanks alive, but theres a portion of dmg that's raidwide aoe
strong forum
or stavros - frieda - niklaus
easiest rotation ever
just dont do her last i beg
niklaus last is a joke
strong forum
kill the first add insta
soothe whatever is enraged
then blast niklaus with hero
2nd add you kite
but on HC you can also just kill it away from boss
and just chill tbh
dawn geode
are your healers using externals during soul spikes?
solemn kelp
yeah those that havent used already
strong forum
it looks blockable, so with Block + SW you should be omega fine no?
solemn kelp
my question was more about the soul spike mechanic, but if you say there's no way to divide the spikes one tank takes then I won't break my head trying to find a way to do it
strong forum
the raid dmg depends on the dmg the tank took
dawn geode
i did read that you should swap at 2 soul spikes also, but it seems bugged after a quick google search
strong forum
so use raidwide CDs there and tank use SW/LS
solemn kelp
right, that's what we were trying to do @dawn geode
dawn geode
i just dont know of any channeled ability that you can switch off like that mid cast
solemn kelp
ok thanks guys, we'll figure it out 🙂
vague lynx
we kill freida last too, easiest strat by far. the guides says to taunt for 2 casts but because its a channel it doesnt work. healers just have to heal through it/pop cd's.
cerulean pebble
i did read that you should swap at 2 soul spikes also, but it seems bugged after...
Warriors can intervene the other tank during the channel and takes 2 stacks. I did it once in my group on a normal clear alt run for science. Even then, whenever I've done it on heroic I have taken all 4 hits from the spikes and the damage isn't that much with shield block up with something like Demo shout. And yes, Soul Spikes is blockable. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/map8V6qRHr7wkLy9#fight=27&type=damage-taken&source=9 shows "blocked hit" for soul spikes.
Plus you should be only getting one set of soul spikes for each 50%.
dawn geode
Excellent info
solemn kelp
Warriors can intervene the other tank during the channel and takes 2 stacks. I d...
Superb, thank you @cerulean pebble. 👍
orchid frigate
how do you enable dark mode for spires?
ah /run local g="gamma";local m=GetCVar(g); if tonumber(m)==1 then m=.8 else m=1 end; SetCVar(g,m); print("Gamma:",m)
rancid ember
There's a command for that? I thought you had to drink a "Dark inky potion" or something?
solar spear
thats the same as going into settings and reducing the gamma
lofty widget
what does that command do?
undone sun
looks like it changes the gamma/brightness settings
nimble drift
easiest rotation ever
On heroic frieda last is usually easiest, is that different for mythic?
oh nvm you're talking about heroic
echo egret
is it normal that I take crazy damage on Executor Tarvold in SD+15 ?
sweet summit
if you stand in every mechanic possible and dont kill the add fast, sure
echo egret
That's what I thought
chilly brook
is it normal that I take crazy damage on Executor Tarvold in SD+15 ?
The add is really what gets me
If the team doesnt kill it
But if you have a decent team its actually not bad at all
echo egret
It definitely is
chilly brook
2 chested a 14 SD with the only death being the healer right at the end of Tarvold yesterday
The tyrannical nerfs are huge tbh
echo egret
I wasn’t at this key level before so I dare not imagine what it was like !!
Like 1st boss...
deep steppe
The tyrannical nerfs are huge tbh
is it? I havent done a key since i got KSM Last week 🙃
my motivation has died
mighty valley
The tarvold add melts post-nerf
chilly brook
is it? I havent done a key since i got KSM Last week 🙃
It's not bad at all rn
mighty valley
if it's surviving, your dps is not paying attention
real veldt
Fleshcraft disables dodge/parry/block while it's channeling, right?
pliant sage
So I'm looking at the Necrolord changes and thinking real hard on playing it. Any thoughts on the PTR changes for Banner?
chilly brook
Fleshcraft disables dodge/parry/block while it's channeling, right?
Apparently not anymore
chilly brook
So I'm looking at the Necrolord changes and thinking real hard on playing it. An...
Wait and see
chilly brook
On live
mighty valley
not sure if that was changed post-launch or if no one cared enough about necrolord to check lol
chilly brook
Shoulda been a post launch thing
median tulip
I've found that the add on Tarvold dies faster this week because DPS are tabbing for explosives anyway.
chilly brook
Since several people who tested and made guides produced content on it not providing block or dodge etc. While channeling
pliant sage
I'm currently playing a Kyrian Prot but I want to be a Necro so bad.
mighty valley
do it
pliant sage
It's an alt. I'll end up playing it for the xmog
I have a warrior of each covenant for the story etc
mighty valley
Damn that's dedication to warriors
median tulip
I hate Maldraxxus
pliant sage
I have ..11 level 50+ warriors. I'm at work so I can't log in to count
chilly brook
Started Kyrian, then went NF because fuck ground target and running over orbs for mastery, and now I'm Venthyr because I'm a dps main now
I'll never understand having several of the same class tbh
And by several I mean more than 3
pliant sage
I don't play at a level for it to matter. I have two Warriors at cap and the rest leveling rn.
raven dove
i went necro yesterday morning on my war
started night fae, went venthyr
just changed
pliant sage
I'm just hype for the buffs
raven dove
super happy about it, he's an alt though too
pliant sage
Do you lose conduits when you change?
chilly brook
No
raven dove
no
pliant sage
So just Renown and Anima?
raven dove
so
neat trick
apparently you can buy shit that costs anima
and refund it after you change
to transfer some anima
median tulip
I went Venthyr because Bastion gives me headaches, Maldraxxus gives me flashbacks to Eastern Plaguelands and Ardenweald is laggy as fuck.
chilly brook
Souls and renown basically are the only things
pliant sage
Sweet. And I can't stand Venthyr. I hate the zone, art, music, and NPCs.
median tulip
The zone is great IMO
pliant sage
Different strokes
chilly brook
Maldraxxus is cool
median tulip
Although it's funniest on my Hunter; standing atop the walls of Revendreth and sniping Alliance who are doing WQs with Warmode on is hilarious
chilly brook
But suffers probably the most from being limited to ground mounts
Imho
Revendreth second worse for that
pliant sage
Eh, Bastion is the suckiest zone to travel in imo
raven dove
whut? Bastion is super easy
median tulip
Revendreth you just need to know where all the carriages, mounts and mirrors lead to
pliant sage
Yeah but then I have to spend more time in Revendreath
raven dove
which is a lot to know
median tulip
Also where to jump from that you can Heroic Leap to where you need to go
pliant sage
I literally level characters with max side content so I ding 60 before leaving Ardenwield then turn on FATE
raven dove
bastion is just a single plain with a ravine/valley in the middle, and a convenient floating hub in the center that will warp you a good distance in any direction
eternal glen
Any ideas about the new changes on necrolords?
pliant sage
Any ideas about the new changes on necrolords?
I just asked, it needs more testing
eternal glen
Would you swap ?
pliant sage
I have an alt warrior in Necro I'm hype to play.
Really don't wanna give up renown so there's that
eternal glen
Im willing to swap if thoses changes come to live
median tulip
Real talk on Necrolord changes: I don't like that the banner apparently lines up with the Boomkin Cooldown profile better than with the warriors own
eternal glen
It feels it would give more answers to dps and defences at the same time for m+
Soulbinders on necro are very good ,lot better than kyrian and can be dps or defensive
red swallow
I love support playstyles, ill probably go necro as prot if it stays alright
eternal glen
Im w8ing to see if they boost kyrian for any reason or if we see any changes on legendaries
After that im open to swap to necrolord
red swallow
I dont like kyrian, im Nf right now
eternal glen
Soulbinds and covenant conduit is so good, with fleshcraft and banner reworked iit feels vety promising
median tulip
All I really want is for Condemn to gain the ability to use Revenge proc charges
final cedar
Are we going necrolord in 9.0.5?
sweet summit
if u want to
novel ruin
Simp
pliant sage
I am. This thing is neat and the bannerr moves with you
chilly brook
Soulbinds and covenant conduit is so good, with fleshcraft and banner reworked i...
Necro soulbinds are doodoo wdym lol
chilly brook
All I really want is for Condemn to gain the ability to use Revenge proc charges
I want condemn to be able to hit more than one target as prot
Like every other spec for warrior can do
limpid dagger
condemge
median tulip
I want condemn to be able to hit more than one target as prot
That would be nice too. I actually think there's a good angle in Condemn's suppression effect that I would like to see become a key Warrior tanking mechanic. What they should have done for Protection is make the class ability replace Revenge and enabled "suppression tanking" (to coin a term) via damage and the debuff to be a thing
limpid dagger
stonks
sturdy sable
I'm waiting for the day they let prots condemn cleave
Hell I'd be happy with 3 targets
timber lagoon
Yeah anything to let me press the button outside of ST
sick sentinel
i think i'm feeling mage life calling
wicked lantern
That would be nice too. I actually think there's a good angle in Condemn's suppr...
Yooooo
That sounds amazing
median tulip
Yeah, unfortunately that probably means Blizz will never do it
Because we're not allowed fun
wicked lantern
Condemn for prot was literally Blizz saying “ah fuck it”.
vestal moat
Another week, no prot buffs.
median tulip
They stuck too rigidly to their "one ability for each class per covenant" design, despite the specs being vastly different
shrewd nacelle
I mean I think prot is doing alright. its ofc the worst tank but ive had zero issues tanking +15s
past ginkgo
Due to some roster changes I'm moving from dps to tank. Are guides on wowhead and icy-viens that are pinned still the go to for CN? Are there any others that are better? As well as any tips yall have would be greatly appreciated.
sweet summit
yeah icy veins is generally the go to/the one we recommend here
other than that, tanknotes is great for raid information
dusky sentinel
Oi guys! Help me out on the Manastorms here. The buzz saw mechanic. I havent tanked that dungeon before. I was up at 8-9 stacks at one point. Is that normal? What do u guys do to soak it? Or did someone just miss the stun?
sweet summit
you can deflect one application of a stack with spell reflect
mostly just a "healer mechanic", keep SB up and use CDs when needed
dusky sentinel
But should it stack? Not me doing anything wrong?
midnight stone
it stacks, its a channeled ability that just applies a stack of the bleed
should always have block for it as it hits relatively hard
I'm not sure if kyrian phial can remove the bleed, but you can stoneform it if you're a kingly dwarf
you might be able to range it? but I've never tried leaping away from it
merry bronze
Considering to change from kyrian, should i consider night fae above necrolord?
shrewd nacelle
always a delicate convo
cause it really all depends on if your group will utilize the buff correctly and if not then youre better off NF tbh
amber herald
depends on content you want to do
cinder nova
mighty valley
that's not what yogi asked lol
stacking vers is fine, lotta the extreme high key folks feel comfortable in big vers
also just happens to you if you gear up with pvp lol
outer solstice
Yeah I sport > 20% vers as well *shrug
dawn imp
anyone know whats up with spikes on frieda? even though we're swapping on 2 pulses, all 4 spikes seem to go onto one tank regardless
sick sentinel
dawn imp
o
mystic zodiac
Hey guys. Im a VDH planning to reroll to Prot soon (leveling atm). How do you compare prot playstyle to vdh? I really enjoy juggling defensives and find gratifjcation in correctly or efficiently handling them much like how VDH juggles brand spikes demon etc.. i have all the other tanks maxed except warr but dont really find much enjoyment on them except on VDH and BDK.
I know prot does less dps, but other than that how do they compare to the VDH playstyle? I like the VDH mobility, and as I said the defensives juggling. I hated the SotR spam on Pally, the baked in defensives of BrM, and the simplicity of bear.
For reference currently progging H Sire and doing 14 keys on DH.
unique shale
For reference currently progging H Sire and doing 14 keys on DH.
have you done 15 key on dh ?
mystic zodiac
have you done 15 key on dh ?
Not yet. Just started 14s last week i210
mighty cairn
prot/vdh are both pretty cooldown and defensive uptime focused tanking playstyles
I personally enjoy both, but at first you'll probably miss some of the utility that vdh has in keys
unique shale
Not yet. Just started 14s last week i210
well prot is harder than dh you gtg put time and master your rotation and decision making skills cause mistakes on prot war is not great.
next copper
VDH almost has self healing on demand, where warriors don't get to be that free with IPs, imo.
But they're very similar tanks. VDH gets to do stuff with less RNG.
next copper
Literally the core mechanic: Shield Slam resets.
chilly brook
Outside of slam resets
mighty cairn
devastator/shield slam procs i guess
unique shale
lol
next copper
The most significant rage gains that aren't cooldowns is.
Shitty mechanic, but that's what we've got.
chilly brook
Never had rage issues...
unique shale
me either
mystic zodiac
well prot is harder than dh you gtg put time and master your rotation and decisi...
this is actually something i look forward to lol. DH is kinda lame sometimes but it does help in raids as i can focus on call outs if need be
next copper
I always do, since Shield Block bankrupts you each use.
unique shale
yup
next copper
Ignore Pain is 40.
chilly brook
IP is mostly a rage dump
If you're having rage issues you're either not pressing your buttons or you're pressing IP/revenge too much
unique shale
this is actually something i look forward to lol. DH is kinda lame sometimes but...
well this is warrior tanks are meant to be hard to master
next copper
I only revenge on reset.
chilly brook
Then you're either not pressing your buttons or pressing IP way too much
lilac spire
Imagine pressing any mitigation when you could spend all your rage on condemn instead
Skrrt
solemn magnet
Yeah you ain't doing something right
mighty cairn
as more nerfs come to m+ dungeons and tank hit mechanics, prot has been feeling better and better
especially with additional gear too
mystic zodiac
what can you say about damage and threat for prot in m+?
unique shale
lol
chilly brook
The biggest downside damage wise is single target
chilly brook
Yes
lilac spire
Snap threat can get a bit sketchy but there's way to keep the mobs from running off and battering the mage
sick sentinel
is mass reflect gone i see it on this reflect sheet
unique shale
how much ?
mighty cairn
yeah prot aoe damage is respectable in m+ especially since you're doing double or triple pulls
single target hilariously bad, especially in raid
mystic zodiac
is it true prot warrs need less kiting?
sturdy sable
single target hilariously bad, especially in raid
Single target is definitely better if your venthyr you just give up your aoe lmao
icy dirge
Is 77 percent melee mitigated on stone legion good for heroic ?
hardy radish
wtf i have like 64% on my best parse lol
wanton condor
playing a lower level prot warrior (+10s, 196 ilvl) my general feel is that I don't need to kite much at the start of pulls because SB SB Bolster SB SB does a ton combined with demoralizing, so if you pull big and have decent aoe it's not too bad? Still some trouble areas like the bears
still not good at using shield wall
really wish the unstoppable force/anger management build was good
sturdy sable
Anger management is good and sees play
Unstoppable is actually pretty stoppable imo
wanton condor
oh, I can see the use of anger management if you run The Wall and really can plan out shield wall timings to go with bolster
but that's a bit beyond my level of play right now
(this is just for m+, I don't raid tank)
undone lagoon
####New to Prot#### I looked for this on both guides before asking and missed it. But for Trinks, would you favor STR stats over the haste secondary stat?
devout kindle
Pretty new to prot coming from BDK, is heroic throw worth binding or is it one of those trap abilities like Deaths Caress?
(like binding to a decent spot)
ocean bloom
yeah its ggood for ranged aggro
and explosives
just gotta be careful with the min rangge
devout kindle
Oh popping explosives seems worth it
Yeah the min ranges are new to me, that and adjusting to no ranged interrupt are the weirdest things about the transition
wanton condor
it's free other than the gcd
so bind it
definitely gets its money worth from explosives week
quasi orbit
Question
With the new 9.0.5 patch
I read that whirlwind will now generate rage?
Or did I read that wrong?
indigo pumice
show of force is the best potency conduit for aoe and single target correct?
other than the cov one that u pair it with
no other good options?
indigo pumice
but like there isnt anything else to slot in for it for raid right its still better
then the other options
shrewd nacelle
I’d use covenant potency
indigo pumice
well i double potencey
indigo pumice
i figured as much just wanted to confirms
shrewd nacelle
Those are your real choices tbh cause AJ is execute usage which ofc we don’t use often or at all
shrewd nacelle
no one really knows anything, its all smoke and mirrors atm
the main take away from it is your group can actually benefit from it, if not then its probs not as worth as NF or Kyrian
wanton condor
3min CD for 500 mastery? Might have your boomie humping your leg I guess?
shrewd nacelle
2 mins for 400
rich willow
is hamstring useful for prot i havent found a way to use it
shrewd nacelle
No reason to hamstring when you have Thunderclap
rich willow
ok
shrewd nacelle
Realistically you’ll never use hamstring cause it’s ST
lavish oracle
christ, I have to swap off devestator for explosive pugs, lmao
glad scaffold
just heroic throw at em
lavish oracle
I would have to back up 8 yards