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fossil valley
its annoying cause u have to do it over 2 resets
chilly brook
Back to the covenant
chilly brook
its annoying cause u have to do it over 2 resets
You can do it in an hour
Log in before reset
Do quest
Log in after
Do quest
restive flax
what do you mean with "fill the bar"? the 1k anima?
static shore
@chilly brook you are night fae ?
chilly brook
<@133532617940140032> you are night fae ?
I was
static shore
Now you are venthyr?
chilly brook
what do you mean with "fill the bar"? the 1k anima?
Nah it's like go do x amount of things for us
chilly brook
Now you are venthyr?
Yea because in maining dps now
restive flax
so Draka is going to be mad at me when I go back
restive flax
fair. I just wanna enjoy the game and switching to the blue smurf angels annoys me every day I log in
restive flax
but theyre also blue
chilly brook
But they pump
static shore
I love the night fae transmog
restive flax
yeah maybe
frail wyvern
The bastion hold hurts my eyes 👀
chilly brook
And the story is actually kinda badass
Ngl
I liked NF a lot more than I thought I would
restive flax
I like the Maldraxxus story too
chilly brook
I mean who doesnt wanna hang out with Bob salami?
restive flax
eventhough the lil runeblade is basically a letter opener
frail wyvern
I really enjoyed the venthyr story
chilly brook
Venthyr story was cool
static shore
Which race do you guys main ?
restive flax
HM Tauren 😄
chilly brook
I think I'm going back to being a panda
frail wyvern
Overall the story telling in the expansion as a whole is pretty good
restive flax
thats why I'm telling people to not do it
static shore
The shoulders on hm look dope
restive flax
HM Tauren might be decent as a tanking race but... you just loose 50% of your effective eyesight when you roll HM Tauren
frail wyvern
Go team blue tbh
restive flax
is team blue mana addict?
static shore
Every time I visit bastion I am afraid I’ll get an epileptic shock
chilly brook
Every time I visit bastion I am afraid I’ll get an epileptic shock
Inky black potion or w/e
static shore
Everything is so bright
chilly brook
Makes all the zones wayyyy better
frail wyvern
The last boss platform in spires is the worst for that
chilly brook
Ardenweald looks so amazing with it
static shore
Bro you said panda
The animations are kinda fked up
The way they attack with one hand
chilly brook
Wat
restive flax
~~The last boss platform in ~~spires is the worst for that
@frail wyvern fixed it for you
chilly brook
Their animations are lit
frail wyvern
I always feel disappointment when the transmog toy turns me into a panda, not gunna lie
static shore
I’m checking YouTube to verify
wanton condor
just looking in the dressing room, only their auto animation is meh and all autos suck
like they're hitting you with a pool noodle
restive flax
pandas animations looke like they're missing half of their bones
static shore
God damn they are ugly af
wanton condor
just going through the dressing room animations
restive flax
I like them when they use ring of peace
frail wyvern
The punching animations are ok for panda
restive flax
I guess so
wanton condor
OH GOD
frail wyvern
They run weird too, like almost tip toes or something
wanton condor
the transitions from the stance are so bad
restive flax
Oh well, I warned you 😄
static shore
I would 100% be a troll
frail wyvern
How about mechagnome @static shore ? 😅
static shore
Now, their two toes are always outside
restive flax
defo not always
static shore
How about mechagnome <@233251870804672512> ? 😅
🥲
restive flax
my co-tank is a zandalari troll and the venthyr set shoes dont show toes
restive flax
I mean Tauren look baller imo
frail wyvern
Hooves for sure, trolls have camel toes
blazing condor
I race changed to pandaren when mop came out
frail wyvern
I would take venthyr as a playable race
blazing condor
Still am panda
wanton condor
tauren are awesome, HM even more so, but all mogs look bad on them just about
restive flax
tauren are awesome, HM even more so, but all mogs look bad on them just about
the mythic nighthold set looks cool
t4 with the orange fallen defender shield from hfc
also baller
quasi orbit
Question
static shore
Fk
quasi orbit
can a warrior around 210-212 ilvl send me their armor and physical damage reduction?
static shore
I love transmog, hm Tauren lost me
chilly brook
can a warrior around 210-212 ilvl send me their armor and physical damage reduct...
Why tho
quasi orbit
Comparing stats
chilly brook
But why tho
quasi orbit
Ok
static shore
God damn , it’s been 8-9 years since MoP released
restive flax
@quasi orbit I'm sitting at 211 rn and have 3118 armor with 55,50% physical dmg reduction
just through armor
restive flax
I know
chilly brook
Which is why I asked
restive flax
he wanted some stats 🙂
chilly brook
Why he wants to know
quasi orbit
Yeah I know
chilly brook
That's kinda a useless comparison tbh imo
static shore
Prot Warrior before bros and hoes
quasi orbit
As a 212 prot pally I am at 2k armor with 44% physical reduction
chilly brook
Your AM also increases your armor
static shore
Prot warrior is the better choice in raids
dusky mica
if you don't have a beard you're shit either way
restive flax
The armor value itself doesnt give you any real information tho Zinx
chilly brook
Panda is BiS
quasi orbit
Well with my active mitigation
chilly brook
Amirite @mellow patio
restive flax
yeah and how does that help you to compare to warriors ability to just block stuff period
restive flax
k
static shore
We block abilities like exsanguinate bite
unique shale
dose dh get healing by killing orbs this week ?
static shore
Beat that with prot pally
static shore
Yep
quasi orbit
Time to delete pally
static shore
I’m co tanking with blood dk , when he gets exsa bite from mythic shriek he gets to 30%
chilly brook
Again
static shore
When I’m getting the debuff 7/10 times I block it
chilly brook
Which cares what he plays
unique shale
Time to delete pally
chilly brook
It's not a question about what's actually better
The only relevant thing that can be said is blanket comparisons of armor are kinda useless especially across classes
dusky mica
The only fight I think warrior is flat out better is sludgefist
static shore
There we are kings
quasi orbit
@unique shale awesome info. ty
dusky mica
and only better in mitigation, our damage is shit
restive flax
tbh a boss where pally is prolly flatout better is inerva
static shore
Why ?
dusky mica
Inerva is a good pally fight yeah, it's also extremely easy
restive flax
also as a warrior you can basically not do anything about the debuff
as a pally you can just heal that while youre offtanking
static shore
Anyone playing zandalari troll as prot warrior ?
dusky mica
you can, you just spam IP when not tanking
static shore
You can reflect that
dusky mica
you cannot reflect it any more
static shore
Que?
unique shale
hotfix
restive flax
you can, you just spam IP when not tanking
i mean cmon
static shore
restive flax
a pally presses word of glory once and is back to full
dusky mica
you used to be able to negate the debuff on Inerva, ie not even get it
restive flax
I heal for 4% max hp
sure you have the ability to heal a bit while youre offtanking as warrior
static shore
At end of fights I usually do more than 2,4 k hps
restive flax
but not even close to what a pally can do
dude my pally was at like 4-5 in that fight once
static shore
Got 70k go buffed 219 Ivl
restive flax
its so bizzare
unique shale
maybe not as much as the other tank but still hurts me
intervene other tank and use Bargast's Leash on healer 
wispy coral
Is prot warrior a better MT or OT for sludge?
ocean bloom
depnds who is your other tank
lavish oracle
There isn't really an MT/OT, anyways
ocean bloom
monk/warrior typically want to have the aggro
lavish oracle
You're literally taking identical damage unless you're apart
mighty cairn
ahh I'm spoiled by the vault this week - 226 vers/haste 1h vs 226 hakkar trinket
replacing my 213 1h has to be more worthwhile right
amber herald
got scale already?
mighty cairn
nah currently running 220 SLG and 207 sanguine vintage
amber herald
that's a tough one maybe wait around for a good answer
personally I'd pick scale, I have the 226 on my guardian druid and it pretty much carries my stupid ass
mighty cairn
yeah both are super tempting
I'm thinking that I can push pvp for a 220 weapon/shield which makes the trinket seem a bit better
and I run a lot of m+
amber herald
I mean if you've got a another way to get a decent wep I'd go trinket
the 226 one gives a 50k shield if it hits 5 mobs, 30k on it's own
it's actually stupid
mighty cairn
but on the other hand I can take the 226 weapon, farm the easy version of the scale, and use M+ to upgrade it to 220
but that's a while away
haha I'll wait around to see some more opinions
amber herald
that's true but surely that applies to the wep too?
mighty cairn
yeah but the weapon also maxes out at 220 for m+ or pvp for me most likely
so I guess the question is 220 -> 226 weapon vs 220 -> 226 scale
and which would help me the most right now for pushing m+ and mythic prog
amber herald
Yeah although you already have a wep and there's no guarantee scale will drop for you anytime soon with the way loot works
a 226 scale is rarer than a 226 wep
young oasis
Guys, in which channel here I can share my twitch? Straming log run with prot warrior atm.
undone sun
young oasis
ok, ty
plain scaffold
im a bit confused, if devastator replaces our auto attacks why does it still show up as "melee" instead of devastator on logs?
sick sentinel
your auto attacks cast devastate not replace them
devastator and melee are seperate damage
plain scaffold
ah ok, im guessing the "deal additional x% of attack power" is the devastate bit?
solemn magnet
Bet it's a, not wanting to deal with waves of CS tickets, than anything technical.
nimble drift
literally 2 pulls on tuesday and 1 night of prog
we got it on our last pull
that was great
fringe marten
what the heck..? where is the damage taken comparative tab on warcraft logs now?
Also..dude that night fae 'burrs' ability is ridiculous free damage; our guardian druid literally gained 10% damage from it. that's BS
Heh. See a few people talking about lady inerva a few hours ago. We're progressing on her now. (easy fight, unless you have mongos who fail soaks EVERY pull) But yeah, when you're OT'ing you just grind as hard as you can to get rage and burn it on IP. Between the shield from IP, and the 4% healing you can buffer that DoT but it's still nasty.
keen stirrup
what trinkets would ya'll reccomend for mythic sludge
final axle
I wish I could figure out a way to compare dmg taken accounting for tanking time on wow logs. I know you can do that manually at least if you know who you want to compare yourself to
But its a crapshoot anyways because you stil have to incorporate whatever their form of mit is like self healing I guess
woeful vine
I wish I could figure out a way to compare dmg taken accounting for tanking time...
there's a "healing taken" addon that goes into Skada, it tells you how much a tank required healing from a healer, after you took a hit, mitigated, and self healed.
final axle
That's actually pretty sweet to know, I use details but maybe there's something similar
woeful vine
its built into "skada for tanks"
final axle
Thanks for the heads up. I've been using details so maybe there's something similar, otherwise I'm switching to Skada lol
woeful vine
you can run both
vague jetty
Just use Warcraft logs with whatever content you are doing and compare that way
heavy sail
How good do you figure necro is now?
I’ve been thinking about +500 mast, I think that would put us probably on par or ahead of VDH for overall damage contribution.
It lines up perfectly with big cooldowns like Convoke/Wild Spirits as well.
distant crystal
better put yer simpin hat on boys
warrior banner standing on the boomkin/uhdk + PI + cooldowns
pew pew
sharp sun
🤬
https://www.wowhead.com/news=320893/mythic-items-obtained-before-patch-9-0-5...
Welp there goes my plans to speed run DoS2s for the trinket in preparation for upgrades....
median tulip
That's a really bad decision on their part
Removes all value from loot until the patch hits
Literally the only reason to do M+ until then is to get the keystone breakpoint achievements done
stray gazelle
Got a question even though haste is prot war best stat why do most stack vers instead I see top prot war with vers gems and enchant instead
jagged pier
do u mean rio top?
stray gazelle
Nah like logs with mythic guilds running prot war
Maybe they just all pvp and they just stick it out?
I guess top IO as well
jagged pier
i mean top prot on io is mastery enchanted and second one is haste
but the vers comes into play in very high keys the extra % of damage reduction really help but to the 99.9% of us vers doesnt do more than haste
nimble drift
21 attempts on hungering destroyer, many deaths up to 20% hp each time
this is our first day progging on it too. 21st attempt we kill it with absolutely 0 deaths lol
valid zodiac
So considering you won't be able to upgrade old items with valor turns out valor won't be that much of an improvement after all.
jagged pier
once the patch hits it will
valid zodiac
Yea but the rate of getting the items is still the same.
Low that is
You can spend an eternity of fishing for a certain item and not get it with the way M+ works now.
jagged pier
i still dont have scale so i dont mind just gunna save my valor
gaunt dawn
must be nice to have upgrades from M+ (Valor)
merry bronze
Hello guys, could anyone link me a weakaura for prot? I'm trying several but struggling to get comfortable, i'd like to try some more
jagged pier
what do u want the weakaura to do?
merry bronze
I'm looking for an arrangement of cooldowns close to my character, i'm struggling to watch mechanics and my abilities at the same time
I'm too used to the old UI, and i catch myself keep looking down at the bottom (old actionbars) for looking at my abilities
outer solstice
set up WAs for things you need to track
or look for some WA sets, though I prefer to set them upmyself
jagged pier
i use tell me when for that
merry bronze
I'll try that one, thanks
silent fog
I like the one from Luxthos
frail wyvern
I hid my action bars when I made a set of WA so I can't look there anymore 😂
blazing condor
yeah i too use Tell me When
but its the same as WA tbh but i like using it
pretty straight forward
merry bronze
So basicly you use a set of actionbars, like bartender, and then you apply the tellmewhen to that? and you won't need WA, is that correct?
blazing condor
TMW lets you place out icons on your screen and you can use them to display pretty much everything
cooldowns, uptime, buffs/debuffs, proccs
etc
so i have for example TMWs that tell me when certain abilities are off CD and also ones that show me how much time i got left on SB/SW/LS and so on
merry bronze
Great, i'll look at some tutorials for the addon, ty
deft vessel
what's with all the necrolord hype, first PTR version everyone losing their mind
specifically about shield????
jagged pier
nah banner as well
the buffing part is nice
and it brings it more inline with the others
but if u dont look at buffing its still slightly weaker imo
and yes fleshcraft is super strong, id be suprised if it goes live that way tho
but of course no tuning done on any of it yet
so wait and see i guess 🤷
strong forum
must be nice to have upgrades from M+ (Valor)
Would only be scale at higher ilvl, and I'm not even using it
odd verge
Been trying to improve and look at the way I play after tips from here and Nomeratur (u guys r the best)
Did a little +5 SD last evening with guildies who don't have much experience and was trying to lead them. Can anyone give me a little more pointers to push further? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XRJCkPAY4yH9ragq/#fight=last&source=7&type=damage-done
worldly onyx
new fleshcraft is nice, 30% damage reduction is huge
torn gulch
is the new banner 400 mastery or 500 mastery?
worldly onyx
it said 500 last time i saw it
worldly onyx
lulw
torn gulch
so from what i can see the new valor system will probably have more value from 9.1 onwards
when 9.0.5 comes out peeps that took the game semi seriously will have minimal or no need for valor
odd verge
Gotta make it public ;)
jagged pier
Done! Linking again: https://discordapp.com/channels/148872210742771712/14889794...
for someone running bolster you have a might low amount of LS casts
median tulip
when 9.0.5 comes out peeps that took the game semi seriously will have minimal o...
It's frankly a kick in the teeth that they aren't allowing existing items to be upgraded
median tulip
I mostly want to gear my offspec TBH
odd verge
for someone running bolster you have a might low amount of LS casts
You are absolutely right. Let me commit that to muscle memory!
torn gulch
it's the 8.3 corrupted gear situation again
median tulip
Yep
jagged pier
Done! Linking again: https://discordapp.com/channels/148872210742771712/14889794...
so using it will help u you more, remeber we are premetive and block is our best mitigation, so as your running bolster you should be using LS when u have no SB charges
and that will help with your blocked hits
as right now u have less blocked hits that hits
median tulip
Like, I've been running M+ for a better shield for 7 weeks without a drop; now you're telling me that to get an upgrade I need another drop before I can get an upgrade? Fuck you, Blizzard
torn gulch
i mean at this point people have 4d maps of DOS with the sheer number of attempts for scale
:)))
imagine having to do it again
within the same season
jagged pier
Done! Linking again: https://discordapp.com/channels/148872210742771712/14889794...
your wasting about 1000 rage as well over the dungeon so make sure your ither spamming it into revenge or ip and dont use demo or avatar or spear if they are gunna over capp u
or like avatar revenge a few times then demo
and u waste a lot less rage
odd verge
your wasting about 1000 rage as well over the dungeon so make sure your ither sp...
Dude, all good points. Let me fine tune my rotation and make sure i don't overcap on rage, use LS to cover my SB window downtime! Thanks again!
jagged pier
Dude, all good points. Let me fine tune my rotation and make sure i don't overca...
no problem thats what we are here for
stoic mural
Hey bros, Maldraxxus warrior should be a thing next patch ? Seems good bonuses for groups
deft vessel
we don't know yet
it will be better than now
¯_(ツ)_/¯
don't go swapping yet is my point
stoic mural
I think ill give it a shot
deft vessel
it's first iteration, it will likely undergo further tuning and we have no idea what will happen to it
stoic mural
Yup lets see
deft vessel
it will also have a limited benefit for classes that don't benefit as much from mastery as others
stoic mural
But carrying the flag is clearly better
jagged pier
each to there own opinion i guess 🤷
deft vessel
so, really, for right now, we have no clue, it doesn't look necessarily better than the other covenants (for the most part) and beyond that? we don't really know
finite pulsar
started to believe in prot again when my friend tanked 14 mists for almost +2 in 170ilvl right after hitting 60 xD
deft vessel
face-value wise - it's better at buffing others, worse for you as the tank and it lacks the utility of some of the other covenants, namely kyrian pot and tether from spear
it's also ever so slightly worse for rage than the other options
well, conditionally so for night fae
frail wyvern
Theres likely to be further changes to covenants/classes in 9.1. Changing for a mid-tier patch is probably not the best decision unless its totally broken level of OP
deft vessel
started to believe in prot again when my friend tanked 14 mists for almost +2 in...
hey now, we're not too bad, don't listen to the naysayers
finite pulsar
yea!
well, he tanked it better than on main dk in 210 😄
and not even died
170 fckin prot war
pog
deft vessel
Theres likely to be further changes to covenants/classes in 9.1. Changing for a ...
why so? It's actually a perfect opportunity to do so, 9.1 is likely going to be more content and will be later off, when things are broken (necrolord banner) and nigh useless in how bad they are, then....getting changes earlier makes the most sense, especially with ample time to test and message across to players if they want to consider changing covenants/investing time into other things
it's a great opportunity to get better balance into the game earlier, since content often takes longer to make
balance also takes longer to test appropriately, thus PTR cycle dedicated to it
frail wyvern
I dont mean blizz making the change, I mean players changing when its probably going to have minimal impact at this point in the gearing cycle
deft vessel
I mean
many folks are done with seasonal goals/pushing
so.... from that point of view it's a perfect opportunity to try things out?
again, it's very early to do so right now
but, once things solidify a bit , if someone wants to go for it, why not?
frail wyvern
Yeah in that situation it can make sense, but many are also half way through mythic raid at this point and have enough ilvl and dps in their raid to clear with their current choice
Losing all your covenant progress to go fotm covenant is gunna get stale real quick if you do it every patch
deft vessel
I mean, yeah, but it's also...no different than other such systems we've had, as balance shifts around
we'll see I suppose
I'm just glad we're getting a more usable option for the banner, where it's best or not is not super relevant right now
frail wyvern
Its certainly bad right now no question 😂
I'm sure there are quite a few warriors who really want to go necro for the mog, lore reasons etc and its a good change to enable them to do so
restive flax
☠️
frail wyvern
You wanna be a necro boy?
deft vessel
soon™
restive flax
changing to kyrian felt like cheating 😄
odd verge
you can tmog an look like a meanboi
restive flax
its so ridiciulous how much stronger kyrians are
deft vessel
just stick with your choice mate, it doesn't lock you out of any content
restive flax
thats just incorrect, sorry
sure you can theoretically still do it
but its hilarious how much easier other covenants have it
I dont want to start this discussion again if or if its not locking you out of content or not. Because clearly you can obviously still do it. My point is that the statement "it doesn't lock you out of any content" is just not helpful to anyone because it makes it seem like it doesnt matter that much what you pick. But it makes a pretty big difference
frail wyvern
The whole premise of covenants was to pick what you synergise with, so if it makes your favourite one feel viable then I'm happy for you Agrathan 😄
spring quartz
yo dudes, is Hymnal of the Path any good? Just got a 194 from my command table
jagged pier
yes
spring quartz
dopeee
jagged pier
for m+ anyway
deft vessel
it is great yes, and you're adding your own thoughts to my statement Agrathan
frail wyvern
A mage got a 204 bell from his calling chest last night, made all the dps cry
deft vessel
it does not lock you out of content, I did not claim it's a meaningless choice
it's clearly not, as my further messages above indicate
but being grumpy and unhappy with a huge part of your character, both lore wise, thematically wise and ability wise, is a super crap way to play a video game and trying to pretend that isn't the case is a disservice to the many players who are slogging through it right now
deft vessel
A mage got a 204 bell from his calling chest last night, made all the dps cry
aye, current cap is 204, or 203 (I thought 203), either way, decently high and usable 😄
especially for some trinkets
frail wyvern
Might have been 203, nonetheless the QQ was funny to see
deft vessel
may I have a 203 hymnal please game, ktnx
I don't think I've had an item from the calling boxes in quite a bit
frail wyvern
I got a 203 2H wep recently, was quite nice since my other offspec weps were 184 😂
mild compass
If it helps anyone I learned that warriors can use spell reflect to clean up traps on Articifer tonight.
jagged pier
its in the spell reflectsheet
frail wyvern
Best one on artificer is when the trap is in the path of a warlock gate
fresh kraken
You can spell reflet the pods on hungering too
stoic mural
People tend to say go Kyrian to be strong but hey Pika is best Warrior prot as Venthyr. Just play skillfully, i have same numbers as Kyrian or NF. Meh
So lets make a Necrolord army ahaha
deft vessel
I think my biggest gripe is that....if you prefer night fae, kyrian or venthyr, they all have unique strenghts to them that make them worthwhile to take, and you don't feel particularly gimped with any of them, they're...close enough
necrolord is so just completely out of whack right now
it's disappointing
but hey, I'm glad it's being addressed
I think the necrolord banner is the only reworked ability of the covenant abilities so far in the first version of the 9.0.5 PTR
the rest are either simple buffs or nerfs
the necrolord DH one is a bit different as well I think (cooler!!!!)
esp on a tank I think
since you have more control over mob placement
whether it will replace kyrian for them....? I doubt it
but it's..better
jagged pier
banner is in line with all the other after the change, maybe even best for raid with the buff etc but that buffing is harder to pull of in dungeons etc so kyrain and NF still probs better there
deft vessel
eh, the damage buff in raid gets lost in the overall raid damage though, so that lowers its value
the buff to two extra players, half the throughput of the dungeon more or less, is more significant than to two players in a raid
(oversimplifying of course)
it will lead to DPS whoring though, just the same way people go wild for PI
jagged pier
2 people which lines up with their cds and PI its gunna be a big increase
deft vessel
well yes, but the point is that those two players, in the overall throughput of the raid are a much smaller percentage than two players would be in dungeons
as such, individual buffs to those two players benefit the raid less than two buffed players would benefit the group in a dungeon
of course 2 minute CD specs that scale well with mastery will really like it
paladin for example
but that's a given
solar spear
Hey, any night faes here? For conduits is it worth it going Korayn over niyrna, and giving up the endurance conduit for that final bonus? (For mythic plus) The guides aren't very conclusive.
deft vessel
soulbind choice is more rooted in the abilities for us, rather than conduit slots, since all our conduits are...rather underwhelming
if night fae I'd still go Niya and stick with either burrs or poison, depending on what slot you want
if you're good at interrupting and you want another offensive conduit (rather than an endurance one) than you can go poison, I suspect it might work better than korayn overall
but our offensive conduits are so underwhelming that I wouldn't lose sleep over it
valid zodiac
Burrs are mad dps for me so I doubt I'd go anything else
solar spear
Ok, but if the conduits are underwhelming, the 3% reduction final ability for koryan seems better than a DPS increase?
deft vessel
not really, defensiveness has diminishing returns in a sense, at some point, if you have enough defense to survive, then the only meaningful increase is in offense, you can't "survive harder"
as getting enough defense to save healer GCDs is too massive of an investment
that 3% won't go very far in a realistic scenario unless you're pushing content you're undergeared for, and even then it's not super meaningful
solar spear
I mean I am doing 17s and 18s, still with a 207 shield 😂 but yeah that makes alot of sense, thanks
final solstice
187 gang
deft vessel
thing is, the exact same shield happened to me in BfA
i even made a damn video of me scrapping my old dumb ass shield once I replaced it
solar spear
If only I was good at PvP I could have a better shield, as sad as it is to say. Kinda ridiculous how much you can play and still have bad gear slots
atomic flicker
Trying to get a shield to drop is impossible
Ive done nath and loads of M+ every week since almost launch and i still havnt had a decent shield drop
deft vessel
many of us are in that same boat
solar spear
soulbind choice is more rooted in the abilities for us, rather than conduit slot...
Btw 'rooted' haHA
stray gazelle
Any of you guys planning to switch to necrolord with the rework of the ability
Seems insane rn
torn gulch
i'll never get out of the cult but my class leader was already arrested by all moonkins in my guild
jagged pier
its not insane it just inline with the rest
but also tuning hasnt been done
so might get buffed might get nerfed 🤷
astral crystal
personally i think it'd be pretty cringe if you were being forced to hold banner in raid situations
torn gulch
i was just joking
jagged pier
its very likely if u do any sort of progress raiding at a highish level u will be
for now anyway
not nessercarily for boomkins
but for somthing to line up sure otherwise your wasting the buff part
astral crystal
,o ya i wasnt referring to moonkins
just as a mechanical thing
gonna become shadow priest levels of cucked
jagged pier
i mean sure can use it when u want, but if u dont line it up then your wasting a huge part of it and it looses a lot of value
but againt no tuning yet
so might change
astral crystal
it's like taking the SW party effect legendary
imagine playing around having to hold things that affect your power for other people
disgust
jagged pier
i mean thers somthing about buffing other people that doesnt appeal to me personally
if blizz was going to go this route they should have just made bard or somthing
like i know ppl like doing it
its just not for me
so just make a class that does it
🤷
astral crystal
bard pls
honest plaza
I would love a bard/support/whatever class, would be dope and would them let necro-warriors not be it :d
outer solstice
tbh I think necro banner is better than shadow priest
we at least get the decent buff for ourselves
and man that 30% reduction on fleshcraft makes for some juicy "let me ignore that hit"
imagine SR, SW and fleshcraft xD
oh I take 0 dmg from your killing blow
jagged pier
i would be very suprised if fleshcraft goes live like it is right no
outer solstice
and we're ignored anyway
yeah fleshcraft not gonna go live with 30% reduction AND 40% shield
either will be returned
lavish hare
I just wanna say that I hate how stupi it is for DH to be better tanks then plate armor users. Its just non sense at all! It makes me so pissed off that they made this to warrs.
Im damn pissed today, sorry bout that but had to say. Blizz is stupid and just idiot.
Had to take that out of my system
ebon hound
uh, why can't DH's be better exactly?
jagged pier
i mean they arent better tanks they actually mitigate less damage than us
lavish hare
They heal every attack they do
jagged pier
well thats not true
fracture doesnt heal you
only soul cleave and fel dev
a lot of there abilities do not heal
and also that how the tank plays because they have less armour
like all the other tanks iwth less armour
lavish hare
Their “SW” ability is 1 min cd
jagged pier
okay but fiery brand effects 1 mob
not all mobs around them
and ours can actually be less than 1 min
lavish hare
I have that settup too, im just pissed off
amber herald
they're not better "tanks" but better kiters and damage dealers
torn gulch
yea dh tanks basically kite their damage
lavish hare
People laugh at tank warrs on listing and it makes me so damn pissed off
We fkin kite a lot!
jagged pier
ive dont really run into that issue tbh
lavish hare
Leap, intervene
Spear, shock
IP, SB. Damn we fukin awsome! Why the hell do they do that to us???
jagged pier
whos doing what to us
lavish hare
I dont know, people in this game is so ridiculous i think I might have to take some time off of it
jagged pier
its called community perception nothing u can do tbh
takes me anywhere from 1 min to 30 mins to find a key
frail wyvern
Thats what you get when the general population thinks that MDI/high keys is a reflection of performance at all levels of the game
lavish hare
They did this since beta, all saying “warrs big nerf” warrs useless
jagged pier
but just play well and you get added by people
jolly thistle
It’s pretty simple. Play with friends and let the pugs hate whatever they want to
strong forum
Much like you get hate IRL or funny looks if you don't look like everybody else
🤷♂️
It just do be like that
People aren't different on the Internet, they just let everything lose more often
merry bronze
Is it worth it to go AM for sire instead of bolster to have another SW or maybe 2, during the fight? considering to try it
with the wall legendary i'm trying to figure out if it would be better to squeeze in more sw's instead of bolster
jagged pier
you can depends how u taunt swap etc, just remeber in phase 2 you are tank somthing a lot of the time
merry bronze
yes that's when i usually like to have bolster
autumn narwhal
surreal monolith
So what's the deal with the necro rework? Any more viable for prot or still bad compared to other covenants? I haven't really looked at their soulbind trees
outer solstice
Their “SW” ability is 1 min cd
so is ours xD
smoky wave
from what I've read: it's better than current but not the best still. fleshcraft will get changed/nerfed. Soulbinds still bad. More viable than now certainly
surreal monolith
cool, thanks
outer solstice
So what's the deal with the necro rework? Any more viable for prot or still bad ...
also the covenant rework makes us pretty strong on DPS if we factor in the DPS gain of 2 potential bursting DPS standing close to us
restive flax
what do you mean soulbinds are bad, emeni and bonesmith arent that bad
outer solstice
isn't out theoretical best soulbind on necro anyway?
@strong forum mentioned something like that
surreal monolith
I was kind of hoping for a reason to switch for that tmog lol
outer solstice
wait for it
smoky wave
Just going off the general gist I've gotten ove the last few days, quite possible I've got it wrong
smoky wave
I don't either
smoky wave
I was kind of hoping for a reason to switch for that tmog lol
The tmog is reason enough. I would, but I'd miss my steward bank/mail/respec/pot
jagged pier
the necro changes has bought it back inline with the others if u take the buffing part out still probably the worst but alot better than what it was, with the buffing part could very well be the best in raid, but u have to line it up with 2 ppls cds etc so u may have to hold it a little or risk loosing value, in dungeons might be hard to get a good consistnat buff on two people so still not great. and fleshcraft will probs get nerfed
all that being said no tuning yet so hard to say about it at all really
outer solstice
the necro changes has bought it back inline with the others if u take the buffin...
I'd say banner is crazy for tyrannical weeks
jagged pier
imo its not the second coming of christ as some people seem to think it is, its a nice change and brings it inline so if u want to switch go ahead
outer solstice
I think you underestimate the buffing part of it
they shortened the CD to 2 minutes
so it lines up every time with other 2 min CDs
jagged pier
i dont underestimate it i understand it, and having to hold it just doesnt apply to me also buffing people isnt for me i dont enjoy it
if i did i would be playing barb in FF
outer solstice
why would you ever hold it?
jagged pier
for the classes that have the best scaling on mastery to have their cds back
outer solstice
you only hold it when you would hold your personal DMG CDs anyway
outer solstice
you only match it with classes that use 2min CDs
u moving to them is stuipid, we deal a big portion of damage while it's up as well
strong forum
Draven is considered the best defensive soulbind, but as the nature of pwar is, you don't spend alot of time below 40% so you get very little value out of it
Contrary to say vdh
outer solstice
ah ty
jagged pier
not necessarily, and u might have to move to them if they boss cleaves or somting
outer solstice
I knew there was something
outer solstice
not necessarily, and u might have to move to them if they boss cleaves or somtin...
bad idea when you're actively tanking 😛
but yeah I think it's far less of a problem
jagged pier
then u would hold it till your not then
outer solstice
they can stand next to the boss with melee behind shrug
jagged pier
then your wasting the ability for loose the value of it by not buffin people
deft vessel
if i did i would be playing barb in FF
poor bard isn't even that much of a buff bot anymore ;-;, it's all about dancer nowadays
jagged pier
yer i dont play FF i use it as an example
i dont want to buff people i already do a lot of other stuff to help epople and dps over of the raid out
i have no interest in doing anymore
outer solstice
I think of it as additional damage we deal shrug
I don't care who get's it, raidlead will sort that out for me
jagged pier
that literally means nothing to me im not talking about damage
i just dont like the idea of it
u obivously do
outer solstice
well dealing damage as the raid is kind of the point isn't it ?
jagged pier
this arugment isnt going anywhere
jagged pier
so im out
outer solstice
deft vessel
support playstyles, not as appealing to everyone, this skill only has value equal to the others if actively using the support playstyle, as such, those it's not appealing to, will probably not like it and will probably not go for it
crazy concept
I know
stoic mural
Meh, its like numerous tanks wanted are main DPS and just swpped tank to tag faster
deft vessel
very much the case for DH right now because of how prevalent vengeance is and how unpopular havoc is
which is fine
stoic mural
Wait and see, but i really hope necrolord buff will balance covenants
Too many kyrians like Paladins :p
Btw, dont be so rude with warriors, just geared an alt as healer. Man, just met a Warrior Partner. Played insanely good, then i met i ProtPally. So tough to sustain ahah
You right i think
deft vessel
people playing the spec right will always go further than people picking the "optimal choices" but playing the spec wrong
stoic mural
If you struggle go Vers over Mastery. You'll deal less dmg (too bad for you) but man... game changing ahah
deft vessel
If you struggle focus on your cooldown and resource management, don't go regearing completely 😛
outer solstice
it won't change much though
stoic mural
I agree, i cant find the pleasure i have playing my warrior whereas playing FOTM class
Did both, seems to work :p
But sadly my lego The wall is Haste/Mastery. Need to recraft but im lazy running torghast isnt my cup of tea
signal plover
Haste/mast wall is fine
sturdy trench
any news if theyre fixing signet for ravager/?
deft vessel
the only reason it works for arms is because ravager replaces bladestorm for them
it's a separate skill entirely for prot
for arms it still essentially "triggers off bladestorm"
we haven't seen any indication that they treat this as a bug at all
whether it will be changed in normal balancing? who knows, would be fun I think
fossil plank
Sorry if this is a repeated question, but what is the verdict on Splintered Heart of Alar? worth the damage to your party/raid?
deft vessel
good for pushing content you're undergeared for, bad otherwise
with a good push group and some beefy DPS can get some dangerous pulls out of the way quicker, but the 8 min cooldown makes its usefulness limited
for example the first pull in DOS, or the first big pull in mists (with all 3 packs) if you're at the edge of gear there and at a high enough level, it can allow some extra breathing room
signal plover
It's huge for raid prog tbh
deft vessel
but beyond that? it's kind of eh
signal plover
The CD also resets on death
amber herald
the 8m cd resets on death so it isn't always as bad as that
you can go trinket-->Brez-->trinket
if you really wanted to
deft vessel
yeah, but again, relies on push group where it's relevant to use it in the first place, and also relies on a coordinated group
so in premades, when pushing, it's fine, it's good even
anything outside of that...it's mostly a crutch that can't be utilized well in pugs
outer solstice
also works to "hardreset" dots in raid
with the CR tactic
you can tank more if you use the trinket
just make sure no melees are there 😛
deft vessel
but also, I've not managed to drop one so eh... no actual practical experience with it, maybe it's secretly amazing and I've never understood it, yay RNG
signal plover
It's a very strong raid surv trinket. in m+, depends on way more factors but still gives a cheat so imo one of the better choices
deft vessel
I've not even managed to get a stone legion trinket, finally got my first trinket from heroic last week, a 213 spike, which is...fine
fossil plank
Tough situation for me, I'm not a push group tank, i'm dps but have to tank my own mythics normally. swapped loot to tank for Sun King and got this.
outer solstice
@fossil plank many of the DPS trinkets are top options, like the anima field emitter
deft vessel
so for me it's mostly been about what trinkets drop, I didn't have much of a choice throughout the expansion
fossil plank
yeah I have that at low level but still seems better
deft vessel
scale is nice, snap threat, shield, it's cool
high folio
Did plka change his name? I cant find him on raider io anymore
high folio
yeah i tried to pull myself up and it didnt work, rip
fossil plank
gotta ask teh dumb question, what is Scale trinket
deft vessel
still top, still named PIka
outer solstice
gotta ask teh dumb question, what is Scale trinket
from hakkar
fossil plank
Blood Spattered Scale?
ionic fern
deft vessel
still venthyr
fossil plank
ah thank you
deft vessel
here's direct link if you want to peep https://raider.io/characters/us/emerald-dream/Plka#season=season-sl-1
twilit siren
Is divine Bell (trinket) good for our spec at specific fights?
amber herald
Just checked my raiderio and you get to your characters through your guild's page
patent osprey
I sleep early one night and I get removed off raider io T_T
ionic fern
They just deleted all warriors cause we're not worthy.
outer solstice
would not be surprised
twilit siren
Pika is an Arms warrior for raiding who is playing M+ as Tank i'm right?
outer solstice
he's up there
patent osprey
plka is a dps warrior in raid playing tank in .+
outer solstice
talkin in here, so ask him ^^
patent osprey
m+
outer solstice
3rd person confusion xD
twilit siren
😛
patent osprey
plka is weird, don't follow him, be a kyrian or nightfae ^.^
twilit siren
plka is a dps warrior in raid playing tank in .+
one question if it's possible. how is your life on M+ without NF or Kyrian ?
hot locust
Finally someone includes nightfae :^)
patent osprey
Hai @hot locust ^.^
outer solstice
plka is weird, don't follow him, be a kyrian or nightfae ^.^
it seems Erga is following your path though
NF is bae
patent osprey
one question if it's possible. how is your life on M+ without NF or Kyrian ?
Well it's nice to have a venthyr in your group if you don't have one. not every healer is venthyr and meta dps aren't venthyr either so it fixes that problem. But venthyr doesn't bring much to prot other than ST dps which is only like 10% of a m+ dung. Door of shadows is good for kiting but not needed. Just makes me feel like a ninja when I do it :P
patent osprey
Long time no chat Pika, how you been?
thanks man ^.^ dobi is still waiting for the day you return to the motherland
outer solstice
yeah but ninja soulshape is fun too
hot locust
I know we still chat all the time
ocean yoke
hol up my character is off raideio too
hot locust
I'm waiting for him to drop the kill vid so I can poke fun at him.
twilit siren
Well it's nice to have a venthyr in your group if you don't have one. not every ...
are you wanna change to Necrolord before 9.0.5?
patent osprey
are you wanna change to Necrolord before 9.0.5?
nope. I think it's bis for raid prot probably but for m+ prot it is too impractical.
outer solstice
even with the mastery buff to 2 allies? for soem insane burst?
also a lot of corpses to leech fleshcraft CD from 😛
hot locust
New fleshcraft will be pretty good in M+
outer solstice
imagine a whole raid with the new fleshcraft xD
sand light
big mechanic inc? channel fleshcraft for the dr, damage phase? pop the banner on your 2 best mastery dps
if it goes as written necro is gonna be silly
hot locust
But yeah I agree overall, the extra kite tools or burst AoE even if they arent necessary are nice to have.
outer solstice
yeah also loosign the burst DPS from kyrian or NF and giving more burst to others in your group seems
twilit siren
nope. I think it's bis for raid prot probably but for m+ prot it is too impracti...
I’m playing prot at raiding (4/10M at the time) and I’m dps at m+ with 1350rio. What covenant is better if you was me? I’m Kyrian for now. Is NF a better option?
outer solstice
hard on threat
hot locust
Aftershock is still the most underrated covenant skill imo
outer solstice
Aftershock is amazing
patent osprey
New fleshcraft will be pretty good in M+
FC would be nice but in comparison I think it'll still be behind kyrian and NF. High M+ eventually all comes down to how much more DPS can you pump out and burst :)
sand light
In what world is threat a struggle, not this one surely
outer solstice
well, if you give up a strong AoE burst option
and buff 2 of your DPS
with 500 mastery
threat might be a problem
swift axle
In high M+ is it then still better to roll with Thunderlord as the main lego?
outer solstice
(in an AoE situation)
pine leaf
isnt it 400 mastery? they changed it on the tooltip not the ptr
sand light
right but if you're doing m+ "seriously" you'll have a rogue or hunter for md, and if you're in a raid you'll have those as well
soooo
patent osprey
I’m playing prot at raiding (4/10M at the time) and I’m dps at m+ with 1350rio. ...
Both Kyrian and NF are very good options. Kyrian being slightly more defensive playstyle and NF being slightly more offensive.
twilit siren
Both Kyrian and NF are very good options. Kyrian being slightly more defensive p...
Thx m8
hot locust
Are you gonna swap at all while raid is on farm Pika?
outer solstice
well is there even a reason to switch off ventyr as DPS?
even if it goes live as written atm
patent osprey
Are you gonna swap at all while raid is on farm Pika?
yeah, I will probably try all the covs out while on farm. Next week will be NF probably
outer solstice
NF is amazing ❤️
hot locust
AA owns 
swift axle
Aftershock is awesome for when i wanna tank M+ or DPS as Arms in it.. but it's getting me the dirty eye when in the raid scenario and those early burst ST damage with no Condemn to spam does hurt my output :<
outer solstice
so much mastery burst
patent osprey
AA owns <a:LETSGOOO:770741530805796874>
yeah I've been working on a new DPS prot warrior build for m+ that keeps up with vengeance dps. I think with NF it'll push it even further beyond
hot locust
My only problem with aftershock is when you pull more than 5 mobs and you cant control what gets knockdowned each tick
outer solstice
revenge spam is fun @amber herald
patent osprey
revenge weave with seismic. :) I'll put a video out on it soon. need more testing in highest of keys did it in 20s fine
hot locust
If you're using it to fuck on casters and you have a bunch of melee on top it can get dicey
strong forum
Pah ownz
outer solstice
yeah I know
I can see the dates
but my guild is having shit kill times
so shrug
and for shriekwing I am like 7 spots behind you on myhtic
gonna catch you, REEEEEE
4:06 kill time vs 5:27 xD
strong forum
I could've prolly gotten rank1 or rank 2 on Altimore... I kited Hecutis a bit in p3
So I missed a few globals
outer solstice
yeah same job for me
I always switch to altimore when I kite hecutis too fast xD and smack altimor isntead xD
sturdy trench
revenge weave with seismic. :) I'll put a video out on it soon. need more testin...
how much dps gain u get from seismic? are u coupling it with BSC?
strong forum
I run in circles around Altimore so not always possible sadge
Uploaded it on YouTube tho, is a fun kill
outer solstice
oh I run left/right just enough for him to reset 2 stacks per run
patent osprey
how much dps gain u get from seismic? are u coupling it with BSC?
yup with BSC but keep bolster for high keys. AM in anything less than a 17
outer solstice
you're 1:14 faster on huntsman than we are, oooof
outer solstice
gotta go faaaaaaast
strong forum
Played it perfectly
outer solstice
but yeah I got in a little clinch with my GM anyway so actually looking
maybe I get a faster raid, maybe not
bleak badge
What's BSC?
outer solstice
oh wait you're not doing the rip soul?
damn
that explains a bit xD
I want to stand still as well, reeeeeee
bleak badge
Wait, is it best served cold? Wasn't that talent completely worthless?
patent osprey
Wait, is it best served cold? Wasn't that talent completely worthless?
it's good for DPS no defensive valur
sturdy trench
u work at blizzard?
outer solstice
nah, but it's kinda obvious
we don't have bladestorm
so our ravager is not affected
bleak badge
When is it recommended to run bsc? Don't you need the survivability in high keys?
outer solstice
never recommended
strong forum
It's not recommended at all
outer solstice
let Plka play around with the things xD he knows very much what he's doing, and he's still testing 😛
strong forum
Playing BSC + seismic is a total dmg gain of like 9-10% in a perfect scenario I believe
strong forum
Aoe
echo egret
I just had someone yell you don't kill the 1st banner on Xav in TOP, but tunnel - why exactly ?
outer solstice
oof
strong forum
Now if you change playstyle and pump as much as humanly possible into revenge, that 10% increase obv gets bigger
jagged pier
Seismic does nothing in ST
yer but we dont do anything in ST anyway so who cares https://streamable.com/jma2to
strong forum
bleak badge
I am running dragon roar instead of booming voice (no thunderlord). Am I trolling?
strong forum
No it does generate rage, but loses value in aoe
outer solstice
oh I am stooped
strong forum
As the dmg dropoff makes it less powerful
It's like 0.1% ahead in ST or something weak
outer solstice
twas less rage it generates, wasn't it? I am totally done today, ty for correcting me
strong forum
20 rage
bleak badge
I think it's 20
outer solstice
ah yeah I had 10 in my mind, that's the fury version isn't it?
damn my brain is mush
strong forum
Max paaamp
outer solstice
.... I overnuked on margore on that try
because he was <20%
but yeah I do the barghast drill, and you do altimore do you?
strong forum
Ye, vdh is too good in barghast
outer solstice
yeah.... we do with a BDK
outer solstice
well so am I
strong forum
Ams before the hit goes out
outer solstice
yeah but the movement xD
strong forum
Run earlier 
strong forum
I take Hecutis in last phase cuz im better vs physical damgur
Dh takes first 2 cuz bleed and soul
outer solstice
yeah and so you can execute freely in P4 xD
strong forum
Well I lose a bit of uptime
outer solstice
I would love to tank along a VDH and not a BDK alt of a hunter because we have no other tank
mighty cairn
any thoughts between taking a 226 vers/haste weapon vs. a 226 hakkar trinket from vault? I'd be upgrading either a 213 pvp weapon or a 207 sanguine vintage
I've spent the past 1-2 days trying to decide aha
exotic spoke
Do you think you can get to 2100 rating?
mighty cairn
no, i'll most likely max out at 1800
exotic spoke
Personally I’d take the weapon then
modern brook
Ye, vdh is too good in barghast
evertime someone says bargghast i think we're making fun of torghast
mossy sluice
barfghast
exotic spoke
@modern brook hi qtpie
mossy sluice
any thoughts between taking a 226 vers/haste weapon vs. a 226 hakkar trinket fro...
one trinket - many weapons
bleak badge
Is it true that signet of tormented kings is bad for protection because you can't "protect" yourself when bladestorm procs?
exotic spoke
But weapons are a huge part of dps and survivability
strong forum
You can block during bladestorm
It's bad because you get like 3% uptime on the procs off of signet
mossy sluice
survivability?
exotic spoke
IP works off of it if I recall correctly
Edit: it being weapon damage
modern brook
Is it true that signet of tormented kings is bad for protection because you can'...
its bad because it doesnt proc off ravager
any passive block, active SB charges, dodge parry etc still happens during a spin
modern brook
IP works off of it if I recall correctly
Edit: it being weapon damage
yeah ip scales off ap still which Weapon damage is a factor in
mossy sluice
thought ap was only strength
exotic spoke
That’s what I remembered but wasn’t 100% sure
bleak badge
its bad because it doesnt proc off ravager
Same like fury, which only procs off recklessness, no?
And avatar and recklessness can have the same uptime
mighty cairn
ye it's hard for me to assess the overall tankiness increase coming from a weapon upgrade vs hakkar trinket
bleak badge
Wait, false because you take the bladestorm talent with fury and avatar talent with arms
Nvm I see why it's bad now
modern brook
if they ever fix/make it so it works with prot ravager it'll be worth considering
sweet summit
it would be the best for damage by far
modern brook
thought ap was only strength
i believe this was changed in BFA
sweet summit
and id love it
mossy sluice
i thought it was a multiplier. i,e weapon dps x attack power = damage of ability
modern brook
Thats probably what i mean
the point being that Weapon dps still has a factor in IP size
mighty cairn
is there a way to sim/calculate these values? although i know tank sims don't really work
sweet summit
you can sim for dps as a tank
mossy sluice
it looks on wowhead its just (Base amount x ap x 3.5) then multiplied by vers but its pretty vague
modern brook
it looks on wowhead its just (Base amount x ap x 3.5) then multiplied by vers bu...
So i know ive really cemented myself as a source for this shit
But I'm fairly sure that the Weapon dps x ap you were talking about is actually the AP referenced in tool tips
hard birch
Can someone join the Voice General so I can test my MIC?
raven dove
new necrolord cov abilities - fleshcraft is looking really nice, but am I just missing something with the banner rework? Aren't they making it worse? Mastery, +move speed, cannot be slowed below 100, and some rage regenation over the Crit, health, and crit damage? I mean it was garbage before, but I can't figure any real use for the new one outside of PVP unless the rage regen is just crazy
novel ruin
@sweet summit Do I Raid tank as warrior next tier for that crispy Necrolord Banner? Full simp
raven dove
@novel ruin what is crispy about it? It just seemd worse to me, but I could be missing something
mighty cairn
reworked banner = mastery PI for your DK's/hunters
novel ruin
new necrolord cov abilities - fleshcraft is looking really nice, but am I just m...
Banner is amazing. Lines up perfectly with great DPS CDs
It’s up for every Convoke
Wild Spirits
DK stuff
strong forum
It's 1min CD less, the mastery is huge for boomkins, warlocks or dks
novel ruin
Maybe even a combust on pull
mighty cairn
using the banner will prob make up for prot warrior's lackluster dps compared to other tanks too
if you're considering the overall dps gain from your raid
novel ruin
Yup
raven dove
I would figure 10% crit > mastery buff in general, but hey ok to be wrong
strong forum
Na, that's rng ontop of rng
novel ruin
^
mighty cairn
i think it's just because a lot of the a and s-tier dps scale insanely well with mastery
strong forum
Mastery is guaranteed steroid
outer solstice
using the banner will prob make up for prot warrior's lackluster dps compared to...
if it goes live as is, we beat out any other tank by a mile in DPS contributed to the raid if it's coordinated
novel ruin
Plus Rally is arguably the best raid CD
raven dove
nice, guess I'm happy I swapped to necrolord the other day for fashion
novel ruin
With conduit
sturdy trench
With conduit
ehm no
strong forum
10% crit dmg on 2 targets is nothing compared to 20-30% general dmg steroid
Ykno
And again, 2min CD now
mighty cairn
going to miss spear/phial a ton in M+ but the new fleshcraft and ability to absorb enemy buffs without channeling is interesting at least
outer solstice
any thoughts between taking a 226 vers/haste weapon vs. a 226 hakkar trinket fro...
I'd take the scale, there is onyl that one trinket source, but there are quite a few weapons
novel ruin
35% HP every 2min is huge for a global
raven dove
Oh is flag hitting everyone in it now rather than just 2 other people?
I'll have to re-read that change log
outer solstice
also don't froget it was crit damage, not crit chance
mighty cairn
no it's still nearest 2 people in your party I believe
raven dove
it was crit chance 10%, with a stacking crit damage buff for you
strong forum
That's way more than 10%crit
raven dove
even better
strong forum
Pretty sure its 400
novel ruin
400 mastery is probably around 10-15% for most specs
It was 500
Already nerfed to 400
outer solstice
I think the datamine was 500
strong forum
For pwar it's over 20% mastery
stark sage
buff is bigger, shorter CD and has better defensive value
seems pretty big so far
mighty cairn
flavor-wise I wish prot had some kind of banner-like utility in the baseline kit
outer solstice
like rallying cry? 😛
mossy sluice
rallying banner
outer solstice
we had that shit in MoP ...
novel ruin
Fleshcraft is really good too if it stays as is
astral crystal
wait it's only the closest 2?
mighty cairn
true true
astral crystal
that sucks for raids
outer solstice
nah
novel ruin
No it doesn’t
outer solstice
it's still OP
novel ruin
Just requires some movement
mighty cairn
I think it just counts raid party
so put your prot warrior with the 2 dps needing a buff
astral crystal
i get that ppl want necro to be a thing but gotta think about it realistically
raven dove
yeah I think you'll end up seeing it default to melee in most cases, since they'll naturally be close
sweet summit
<@165864577760755712> Do I Raid tank as warrior next tier for that crispy Necrol...
DO IT
outer solstice
on sludge it is possible
astral crystal
maybe in heroic and easy stuff like that it's no big deal
sweet summit
SIMP
astral crystal
but positioning matters in mythic
raven dove
Sure but just give it to melee
outer solstice
sludgefist
you want it on the pillars anyway
raven dove
If there's ever a scenario where it's too hard for ranged to stack on you
mighty cairn
giving it to DK's blowing their cds is prob fine also
raven dove
but generally shouldn't be that hard
mighty cairn
it's a good amount of dps regardless