whats your guys' take on BL first/third pillar for sludge
#protection
signal plover
(assuming heroic) Eventually it's your only option cuz you won't even see 4th.
We do 1st now cuz it doesn't rly matter
3rd usually results in cleaner finish but is awkward timing for a bunch of dps cool downs
Your parse bois will prolly want it on first pillar
sweet kayak
thx!
lunar slate
With the upcomming changes, listed in the PTR notes, do you think we should switch to Necrolord?
jagged pier
no
sweet summit
Makes it more attactive, but im not convinced its the best option
plush tendon
theres nothing to indicate that Necrolord will be above the other Covs, however Necrolord looks to becoming more viable rather then 'the best'
lunar slate
Its rather hard to even get into a, non guild, group seeing we aint "meta"
lunar slate
theres nothing to indicate that Necrolord will be above the other Covs, however ...
thnx!
plush tendon
Its rather hard to even get into a, non guild, group seeing we aint "meta"
It will always be hard to get into keys as a non meta class, my recomendation is to either only play with the bois or do your own key
jagged pier
depends tbh, sometimes i get invited to the first key i sign up for other times takes half an hour, kind of luck of the draw tbh
lunar slate
depends tbh, sometimes i get invited to the first key i sign up for other times ...
yeh. I always try to aim for a full guild group or atleast people I know/are in my battlenettag
jagged pier
always better that way tbh
but i will say it got a lot easier once i got KSM to find groups
plush tendon
getting KSM is like getting a College degree, everyone apparently needs one, but once you have it no one gives a damn
jagged pier
TRU
solemn magnet
I haven't really had trouble getting groups, even when I was below 1000rio
astral crystal
it's probably because you were under 1k io that there weren't many problems
solemn magnet
I'm over 1k now and still haven't had much trouble
signal plover
Perception is generally better for pwar than it was at the start of the tier as well
Still plenty of cringy meta circle jerkin but not as bad
signal plover
Just wait for that 9.1 buff and we go to the moon
signal plover
but i do love getting the "u arnet a VDH why are u signing" whisper
At least u know u dodged a group with dps that die to simple mechanics
jagged pier
tru
but i also now think my ilvl just gets me in to keys tbhXD
being 225 just sort of no probs
frail wyvern
I love the dps who join and say 'pwar sorry bye'
jagged pier
cause ima stomp anyway 
modern brook
shriekwing has like an hour and half of down time
usinga) the 50th percentile and b) shreikwing as a baseline "expected dps" is just not a look tbh
you can clear heroic at like 2.5k dps across the board if your teams actually playing
its just very rare ppl pull 2.5 and are also mechanical gods
i think the only damage check in heroic is Sludge and denathrius
signal plover
Darkvein is a lil as well on fresh heroic groups
distant iris
Inerva as well I would say? if you can't get the containers down in time, they will just wipe the raid
modern brook
🤷♂️ inerva has 12 hp
distant iris
it's probably easier to just post a log and you'll see what I mean (didn't post this in the DK discord just because I expected to get some more raid leaders in here xD)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yP7RhbWqNGzVprBd#fight=1
(acknowledging that I have lots to work on here as well - I struggle to see how we're going to push Inerva, just based on what I see from other guild's logs)
plush tendon
Dont people just push Inerva?
jagged pier
but like on hungering your just dying to not doing mechanics
plush tendon
and not even do the containers?
plush tendon
thats what we did on Mythic
jagged pier
i just zug
plush tendon
I just never bothered to learn the container mechanic
still have no clue what it does, all us tank need to do is position boss away from red stuff, tank big add, and taunt swap
loud musk
about what part are you talking?
distant iris
+1 on Hungering mechs, I think that this one we will get down, just not sure about the next
jagged pier
its hc focus on mechanics the bosses will die tbh
modern brook
yeah hard agree
also shout outs to your pets being a 2nd dps in your group :^)
looking through your dps i think you'd benefit a lot (like 1k each) if they all took a minute to run through an icy veins rotation on their chacter
plush tendon
lots of Miasma death to. Do you guys have a system to help soak?
violet drum
Hey guys, how is the balance in regards to covenant choice? I am going to level my prot and was wondering if venthyr is too far away from the other covenants
also, main activity would be raiding
violet drum
aight, thanks!
distant iris
August - we technically have a system but it's really not followed well.... I guess it's easy to call out the damage because it's a clear thing to point to, but you're right that the mechs are what are killing us
We're just doing the 'loosely spread in front of the boss, don't overlap circles' method and it's not working super well
sweet summit
what we did first week, and still do
is just stacking as a group (except for the tanks), and the beams just run to the sides
the damage of the suck isnt too big, so should be outhealable, try to assign healer cooldowns for the overwhelms or whatever theyre called
and spread far with orbs, only tanks soak their orbs
signal plover
The suck heals boss tho
winter willow
Hey all, i bet it has been discussed to death already, but are there general opinions on prot necrolord after the buffs? Seems pretty solid, no?
signal plover
With a group with lower dps that consume heal may put em behind. I'd def recommend running out for succ.
ionic fern
Hey all, i bet it has been discussed to death already, but are there general opi...
They are not utterly horrible anymore. 🙂 The changes brought Necro a lot more inline with the other covenants.
jagged pier
Hey all, i bet it has been discussed to death already, but are there general opi...
good if u want to buff people otherwise, imo still slightly behind the others
winter willow
Cool! I would love to roll a necrolord warr alt, focusing mainly on arms and prot so I thought it could be vbiable. Ofc kyrian is probably still bis for those two specs
patent osprey
Hey all, i bet it has been discussed to death already, but are there general opi...
hard to use in m+, have to be super coordinated otherwise probably bis for raid
ionic fern
Full cards on the table..your covenant choice won't stop you from doing any content.
winter willow
Thanks for all the opinions by the way, great to hear that it will bring necrolords more in line, even if they are still slightly weaker
ionic fern
If you're looking to min-max damage then Venthyr is the best "ST" for Prot warriors.
For general usage NF/Kyrian are the prefered choice.
dark lark
As a meme I switched to Venthyr and I'm working on 19 keys atm. Only difference it made for me is that I do less AOE damage but it's nothing super defining. If I die it's because I mismanaged my defensives, not because I have Condemn on my bar
ionic fern
^
dark lark
I'll probably switch back to Kyrian next reset but I'm having a lot of fun as a Vampboi
I would probably be Venthyr full time if I dps'ed in my raid, but our 3rd tank is annihilating as Windwalker so why would we switch him off that?
Regarding Necro discussion, one of the first things I want to try on PTR is Necro with an Anger Management build, to see if I can get Avatar and Banner to line up more consistently.
patent osprey
@dark lark it could because with AM if your spamming rage abilities brings Avatar down to 45-50 seconds. but you would be holding it for 20 -30 seconds which feels bad
amber herald
I can see lots of potential for banner for nuking prides but by the time they release the patch it'll be next season anyway
jagged pier
^^
prisma gorge
Hello fellow protectors, would you mind to share your macros for explosion please?
prisma gorge
thats too slow
strong forum
They can't be targeted with macros.
jagged pier
^^
prisma gorge
aaah, but they could be back on legion right?
dark lark
<@197616292679647232> it could because with AM if your spamming rage abilities b...
Yeah if I could get Avatar down to a 1 minute cooldown, then I could turn it into a ghetto Bastion of Might every other Avatar
strong forum
I think so, but they changed that with bfa
prisma gorge
alright, ty
dark lark
Losing the extra SB upt ime from Bolster will hurt though
modern brook
thats too slow
it takes you 6 seconds to press tab?
humble rose
Probably a stupid question but, If you charge into a pack on M+, and don't have avatar for that burst of rage, should I shield slam to get block up right away, or should I thunder clap, and maybe revenge to ensure aggro? I feel like I have to sacrifice threat for protection sometimes and I'm not sure which is best
lofty widget
mossy sluice
try to save rage from the previous pull to avoid that situation. can toss ravager pre charge as well to handle aoe threat issues so you can first global slam pretty reliably to get enough rage for sb
midnight stone
Yeah, I'd try to always have some rage going into next pull
If you go into a pull without SB, some packs will just kill you without a CD active
mossy sluice
if youre super afraid of the pack you can also just ls and clap
assuming you have bolster*
midnight stone
Its always better to have them wait a GCD than for you to die, or lose aggro and one of them die
signal plover
Getting to the pack first is also huge
midnight stone
Yeah, it becomes more of an issue if someone body pulls
signal plover
Know the route so that you're ahead of the dps rather than chasing em
mossy sluice
does the necrolord banner go on your character or is it something you place down
jagged pier
char in the update
chilly brook
If you dislike being Kyrian just become a winter queen simp
jagged pier
^^
blazing condor
if one were to server mig from a highly populated server to a lower populated server - you can probably make money from buying shit from the AH and selling on the new AH right? what do you think you'd buy to mak emost profit
jagged pier
go check the new AH?
modern brook
if one were to server mig from a highly populated server to a lower populated se...
yeah u can look all that up before you do it
google search wow auction house
novel lotus
My monk was simp spec until this week, and my druid still is 🤔
devout kindle
anyone here ever transition from BDK to pwar? My guild's been in the hard position of bringing the guy who dies ever pull or going without battle shout for months and I'm thinking of swapping
jagged pier
anyone here ever transition from BDK to pwar? My guild's been in the hard positi...
it very different
devout kindle
@patent osprey yeah that's basically where we're at, and it feels bad when sun king's shield wipe sus with literally 142hp and we have no BS
like we can fix that other ways, but it shouldn't happen
jagged pier
he shattering throwing?
devout kindle
no he's not there
because he's terrible
and we can't justify bringing him for the buff
jagged pier
F
patent osprey
<@!133743762999476224> yeah that's basically where we're at, and it feels bad wh...
Yeah, just like you said, if you wiped to that, then you just gotta realign your teams CDs a bit more for the shield. BS is nice but not the main reason most of the time guilds wipe
wild sandal
does sun king have a shield on hc?
signal plover
No
jagged pier
nope
devout kindle
we did that and fixed it, it's just one of those little things that would have saved us a couple pulls
subtle island
Best third soulbind for draven? and is brutal vitality conduit any good?
sweet tulip
@patent osprey what are you using for final conduit on draven?
novel lotus
I guess I'm torn between Fae and NL now lol Phial and Spear seem pretty strong though 🤔 Everything has its perks I suppose 😆
mossy sluice
what kinda content are you doing
novel lotus
My guild just started mythic, I mainly do m+
mossy sluice
night bae pumps in M+
novel lotus
Additionally I am MT
patent osprey
<@133743762999476224> what are you using for final conduit on draven?
the Crit on interrupt one cause im a mongo
But id run Nadjia usually, I just don't have conduit energy
novel lotus
The knockdown does seem pretty good
sweet tulip
Im setting nadja for fury and draven for prot
dawn geode
fk that conduit energy mechanic btw
novel lotus
WTB conduit energy from bosses/dungeons instead of anima btw ;p
mossy sluice
ive been maxed on conduit energy since the xpac started
hard steeple
hi all! I'm 19% haste, 22% mastery 19% versa, how much more haste do I need? 😦
mossy sluice
all of it
hard steeple
no cap, full?
mossy sluice
more haste more sb uptime
hard steeple
ok then , ty ^ ^
mossy sluice
it may change in the future but i dont think the secondary stat dr's will not make haste our #1 stat in the current patch
lavish oracle
I feel comfortable around 25% , I'm sure more would be nice but I'm not going to go out of my way to get more at this point
gaunt crane
today is the 2nd time I got in a pug where we couldn't kill Surgeon Stitchflesh.. is this purely a dps problem or are we doing something wrong?
tropic cypress
quick question, brutal vitality or fueled by violence for raid tanking
median tulip
quick question, brutal vitality or fueled by violence for raid tanking
Meh
lavish oracle
@gaunt crane it depends on what's killing you
mighty valley
people don't know when they spawn... you have to not kill them when he's on the platform
spawns a new one every time
lavish oracle
I think a common mistake is that people will tunnel the boss not realizing that the adds do constant AoE damage
midnight jetty
With the changes to necrolord with its reworked banner, do you guys think it might be a viable covenant option in 9.0.5?
mossy sluice
adds ramp damage the longer theyre alive iirc
gaunt crane
so you have to either kill the add before he goes back on the platform or not kill him at all?
median tulip
quick question, brutal vitality or fueled by violence for raid tanking
Brutal Vitality does very little in a raid environment because most bosses strip your Ignore Pain from you in a hit (two at best), so there's no "active ignore pain" for BV to add to. Fueled By Violence meanwhile is healing you for a laughably small percentage of a tiny DoT effect.
gaunt crane
but not killing them seems rough xD
mossy sluice
you can have the 2nd add not spawn and insta pull stitchflesh back down if you can keep him alive for 2 hooks
lavish oracle
That's not the advice I would give
mossy sluice
1st hook for fixate, 2nd hook you aim at platform
modern brook
quick question, brutal vitality or fueled by violence for raid tanking
Stalwart and unnerving
lavish oracle
Sometimes we just don't pull him down with the 3rd hook so we can clean up the add
mighty valley
yeah, you just have to line up hooks so he's barely on the platform at all, then you can mop up the add -- it's just worst when you kill him moments after he hits the platform
tropic cypress
Brutal Vitality does very little in a raid environment because most bosses strip...
yeah man i know its a choice between two versions of dogshit but still
lavish oracle
And pull him down with first hook of the next add
gaunt crane
ok
lavish oracle
It's fine to kill the boss slower, as long as you can kill the boss
Letting adds bleed over is a good way to fall behind
mighty valley
the best advice for stitchflesh is to get him first time, with spear + hammer + lust + pride
and if you don't, on tyrannical, it's just hard lol
gaunt crane
so if you can't kill the add before he's on platform you get them both low and pull the boss
median tulip
yeah man i know its a choice between two versions of dogshit but still
For raiding I would actively recomend UF and SG
mossy sluice
you just need 1 add up to pull him back down, only have 1 active abom at a time
0-1*
mighty valley
your dps should pre-lineup the last hook so it drags him back almost immediately
mop up previous add, start tanking new one
lavish oracle
There's a lot of conflicting advice here, I just want to be clear that I do not agree with Harrow's advice in this particular scenario
tropic cypress
For raiding I would actively recomend UF and SG
ty i will try that ❤️
mighty valley
if you leave him on the platform and kill the add, he will spawn one to replace it in addition to the one he spawns anyway, that's when it gets out of control
lavish oracle
I have never seen that happen
median tulip
That happens a lot
mossy sluice
he will spawn an add a couple seconds after he goes to the platform
modern brook
Just kill the boss tbh
mossy sluice
you just need hte og abom alive for 3 hooks (boss down, fixate, boss down again)
if you don't do this, it's fine but its soooo much slower
mighty valley
it's all on dps on that fight honestly - well, that and you not bodyblocking hooks
lavish oracle
I run with a rogue 90% of the time so we just have them auto crit a spear on the boss
median tulip
Nasty xD
lavish oracle
It's the one time our rogue gets to top damage meters for a dungeon 😄
mighty valley
yeah, ever since being able to guarantee that we have weapons up for him, he hasn't survived long
nimble drift
I always 1 phase him with lust and pride
mighty cairn
anyone have any prot specific tips for mythic Inerva? i know that being able to SR the dot was removed a while ago but just wanted to see if there was anything else i could be doing
nimble drift
You could still SR to reduce the damage it does
strong forum
reflect the add thingy, play AM
and thats about it
swap on 2 boss mechanics
call for external if you have 3+ stacks
thats about it
mighty cairn
is it reflecting the aoe from the player spawning add?
mighty cairn
ah kk got it - ty
yeah from what I understand it seems to be mostly a dps doing mechanics + damage check
strong forum
pretty chill on the tank tbh
mossy sluice
did your raiders pass 8th grade geometry, well you'll find out
chilly brook
You can also reflect the cast from the big add
Turn your game sound on for that fight too
Makes doing the tank mechanic ez pz
Other than that not really in your hands
mighty cairn
did your raiders pass 8th grade geometry, well you'll find out
lmao yeah we have multiple linked guides + diagrams for the angle line intersections
but i'm expecting some hilarious mistakes in our first few pulls
lavish oracle
Is there a world where you invis skip the 4th pride in necrotic wake in the necropolis, under pull trash so you get less than 100%, kill the pride after the gauntlet and then skip the final pride?
median tulip
There's an awful lot of magic damage splashing around in that fight, which doesn't help us.
chilly brook
Is there a world where you invis skip the 4th pride in necrotic wake in the necr...
Invis pot
And run away from the pride
You can skip any pride you want
mighty cairn
yeah a while ago on heroic Inerva prog I was actually getting hard slapped by the DOT + anima drain + add DOT
lavish oracle
Ye, just wondering if it's practical
strong forum
i saw some people do it, but that mightve been mdi
chilly brook
Yea
strong forum
where they only clear like 99.8%
chilly brook
It's being popularized by that
median tulip
There's a thing in NW where stuff in the necropolis, including Pride, will Snap to Amath's room
mighty valley
I thought they patched out pride skipping right after first MDI
lavish oracle
No, they did it really badly, lol
strong forum
they gave it true sight
chilly brook
You literally just invis pot and run
nimble drift
Can all 5 of your group invis pot and run away from pride or no?
chilly brook
Can all 5 of your group invis pot and run away from pride or no?
Yes
strong forum
if you invis pot outside its vision range while its spawning before it got into combat
you can skip it
chilly brook
DoS you can basically skip all pride except hakkar and dealer
tardy crest
What is best prot legendary?
median tulip
What is best prot legendary?
For what purpose?
tardy crest
I guess a medium. I'm brand new to tanking
nimble drift
The wall
median tulip
For Raid Tanking and Tyrannical weeks, The Wall is definitely the play
tardy crest
Kk!
novel lotus
How much different is Venth in raiding? 🤔
Sorry, I'm trying anything to not be Kyrian anymore 😅
Though I think I will likely go Necro or Venth soon, just need to decide
mighty valley
Trade phial for some more single target damage
There are a few places where Door is useful, usually our standard mobility is enough though
novel lotus
I feel like the only thing I will miss is kite potential from spear and Kleia on necrotic week with immunity to stacks for a few seconds
mighty valley
yeah, you're giving up more for M+, raiding isn't a big difference
novel lotus
Still on Tyrannical, arguably the tougher week...condemn would be better, eh?
modern brook
the #1 prot warrior is venthyr in keys
IT doesnt matter
:^)
but yeah you give up a lot of damage
dark lark
He's #1 prot warrior because he's just better, not because he's Venthyr
modern brook
yeah
novel lotus
To keep the discussion on track - I'm deciding whether to go Venth or Necro from Kyrian, but I'm trying to be convinced lol
mighty valley
yeah you can do any covenant you want and do everything in the game, but kyrian is definitely an easier time
in M+
modern brook
To keep the discussion on track - I'm deciding whether to go Venth or Necro from...
look at the mog
and pick the one you like the most
mighty valley
but, you're not a cool hot vampire, so
modern brook
It truly doesnt matter
strong forum
venthyr is better mog
dark lark
Venthyr/Necro mogs S tier
modern brook
Necrolord is currently OMEGA shit but its lookin to get a lot vetter
strong forum
dont @ me
dark lark
Kyrian is a Samsung refrigerator, and NF is Groot
novel lotus
I do a lot of m+, but also my raid just moved into mythic (for a bit of context on my situation)
I like necro and venth mogs about equally
mighty valley
door is fun for kiting in M+ too
dark lark
Leap first, then Door to another corner 4Head
mighty valley
yeah, you leap away, run while they're slowed, then door back to where you started, it's cute
ocean bloom
Also venthyr gets cooler weapons that actually matche the raid set
rich willow
is the difference between venthyr prot and kyrain prot huge or does it not matter that much
mighty valley
doesn't matter much
scroll through the last couple pages to see the kyrian benefits lol
novel lotus
Realistically 400 mastery to what, two nearby targets is unlikely to hit who you need it to in raid, right
mighty valley
it'll probably be easier for DPS to line it up than the tank
deft vessel
this or....
mighty valley
If necro is on the table for you, i'd hold off til the patch looks more locked
deft vessel
the haste I suppose
even with the ilvl gain on the cloak it's probably better to get the haste
mighty valley
that's close, i'd prrrrrrrrrobably go chest since it's one of the better stat spreads from m+
and you'll probably see another 226 cloak soon enough
novel lotus
Yeah I'll probably give it a little longer 🤔 I appreciate everyone who chimed in on the discussion!
tulip arch
Not to mention you keep the tertiary of speed
mighty valley
if it was a bigger stat budget item than cloak then maybe ilvl upgrade would be more appealing
gaunt crane
that's not low is it 😄
deft vessel
not at all I think, no
novel lotus
I'm running 21% right now but I had 5 weeks of terrible vaults and nothing on the loot end - the more I get the better I feel lol
deft vessel
oh nice, got a 194 of this beast trinket
sick anchor
is that trinket actually good
deft vessel
in my experience using it at lower item levels... it's not only good, it's fucking amazing (for m+)
ebon hound
you sure you not thinking about Hymnal?
sick anchor
seeing the low Ilvl
novel lotus
I wouldn't mind a 200+ Beating Abomination Core
deft vessel
we're getting there
world trinkets are at a floor of 194
and a ceiling of 203 (if you're lucky)
sooooooooo, we're in the realm of usable world trinkets 😄
novel lotus
My current setup is scale and stone legion, is gluttonous spike at 213+ noticeable healing?
sweet summit
was ~10% when i used it iirc
deft vessel
scale and spike for me
sweet summit
a 213
novel lotus
Pretty good chunk of vers from SL though
strong forum
meh
sweet summit
alright
novel lotus
🤔
modern brook
5/10
novel lotus
I keep a bag filled with various trinkets just in case I discover something or anything changes, and honestly I wish the slimy consumptive organ was better
I have a 200 spike that seems meh in my trials anyway
modern brook
I keep a bag filled with various trinkets just in case I discover something or a...
organs problem is its a stam stick
novel lotus
big true
modern brook
not having Str on the trinket is a big deal
sweet summit
pog
subtle island
ty boss
sweet summit
rank 1 speedrun when
deft vessel
it makes very little actual dfiference, the queensguard is good in m+ based on logs /details in my experience, but these are so close to each other it barely matters
sweet summit
he's trying at least
deft vessel
I like spike better and it's a bit more str so i use that
strong forum
default is with windfury turned on
deft vessel
deft vessel
ah I see
well let me rerun it then
even less of a difference
I'm just rolling the trinkets
gaunt dawn
dont pay too much attention where the trinkets are in differnet slots
as the sim will prio the top trinket (for double on use)
modern brook
default is wf on im p sure
sweet summit
default is on
modern brook
yeah thats what i said
modern brook
yeah i spelt p wrong sorry
modern brook
honestly though just convince someone that "bro enhancement is like so fun rn! u gotta try it out"
i garuntee theres someone who hates his class in your raid rn
modern brook
point out that feral has a pooling period
and make some shit up about "oh new blood talons is dumb"
then mention that enhancement has DOGS! haha DOGE!
u gotta use ur brain here erga
wf is worf it
modern brook
you can also link the like 4 good mail mogs that came out in the last 3 expacs
timber cloud
220 anima field emitter, 194 queensguard, 213 gluttonous spike. I have no idea which one to not run. any thoughts?
for m+
sweet summit
anime and spike
lavish oracle
I did some runs with my 180 queensguard and it seemed pretty good, like 2% less healing than my 184 scale and like .5% less damage
sweet summit
test the queensguard to see how it is tho
lavish oracle
so if you don't have a scale its probably a decent pick
sweet summit
i dont know, never seen it in action
timber cloud
i have yet to see a scale lol
graceful leaf
My buddy is trying to get me to switch necrolord after the buffs for raid tank. Is kyrian still the go to for raid and m+?
stark sage
right now yes, hard to say once the rework is live
it seems like it could be the best with the current ptr tuning
necro that is
jagged pier
best if u want to buff people
lavish oracle
I don't think its the best for like 99% of the wow community
stark sage
giving mastery to dps specs as a tank role is powerful
its probably going to be the strongest defensively as well
kinda clunky
and loses obviously good kyr utility
lavish oracle
like it's dependent on you being able to consistently get high value out of a buff on the 2 closest players, its gonna take more coordination to get value out of than any of the other covenants and even after that it's for an increase in raid damage that's not even really gonna be relevant to most players
ember marsh
idk what spec i wanna play 😭
sweet summit
prot warr ofc
tardy parcel
just got a 194 hymnal... hm
ember marsh
no
lavish oracle
If you're in a world top 100 guild and they want to build a strategy around banner, go for it, for general use, would not recommend
tardy parcel
194 hymnal > 213 spike? or ner
sweet summit
ya
tardy parcel
nut
sweet summit
big nut
stark sage
If you're in a world top 100 guild and they want to build a strategy around bann...
unless its individual value is still competitive without even considering the optimization potential
we just have to see a more real version and actually get some comparisons
jagged pier
imo if u take out the buff bit, its individual potential okay a bit more inline with everything else
but still not the best
i could be wrong thats just how i feel
lavish oracle
I would be surprised if a 12% uptime, 400 mastery buff gave enough extra value to out pace the other covenants
I guess it does have a big rage gen bonus associated with it, actually
dark lark
My primary concerns with the Necro Banner is that its cooldown doesn't line up with any baseline cooldown in all three specs, and that 400 mastery might not be a big deal in several tiers.
lavish oracle
so slightly more rage overall
jagged pier
just trying to compare just the abilities
dark lark
You'd have to run AM in prot to get avatar to line up with it better, but then you lose shield block uptime
lavish oracle
I should see what the necro souldbind/conduits are, I guess
dark lark
It does turn it into a mini Bastion of Might though, every other Avatar
lavish oracle
I actually have no clue
sweet summit
it does line up with last stand!!
dark lark
it does line up with last stand!!
stark sage
necro soulbinds are pretty good, but i dont play prot so idk how good they are for that
dark lark
I actually prefer Azerite Traits over Covenant Abilities :provemewrong:
I just hated acquiring Azerite pieces
sweet summit
100% agree
patent osprey
I actually prefer Azerite Traits over Covenant Abilities :provemewrong:
true. Althought condemn is better than any azerite trait for dps
sweet summit
but fuck farming AP
jagged pier
should have just bought back tier sets and covenant should have been cosmetic dont @ me
ocean bloom
I really think every covenant ability was just a new special skill for each spec that was just visually altered by what covenant you were in
dark lark
I thought tier sets were supposed to come back next raid tier? Or did I hear that wrong
lavish oracle
I like azerite over covenants because I could always swap azerite out, haha
dark lark
Legion there was nothing in EN, then they brought in tier for Nighthold
jagged pier
tbh think about this, all abilities should be usuable by every covenant, but they just change to fit the covernant, so banner for instance, u get like huge wings as bastion, a tombstone or somthing as venthyr, like a tree as nightfae
etc etc
stark sage
Legion there was nothing in EN, then they brought in tier for Nighthold
its standard for the first raid to not have tier
was the same in wod and mop as well
idk about cata
stark sage
wotlk did, but naxx had its own tier so it makes sense
lavish oracle
I mean, I don't even think you have to put that much work into it @jagged pier , just say like "oh, our covenants have allied and they're letting you borrow their power or whatever"
jagged pier
I mean, I don't even think you have to put that much work into it <@!17999305818...
tru but that seems the best option too me
i dont know why they didnt do that
stark sage
something something, meaningful decisions
jagged pier
and covenants be cosmetic and the other abilitys are covenant choices
🤷
would stop all this shit with swapping etc
and people actually choose a cov to stand behind
lavish oracle
I mean, you could even just leave the soulbinds alone as the like "meaningful" part of covenants
last mason
Can you move those bliz ui proc indicators
jagged pier
there is an addon calling move anything, if u can it will be in there
modern brook
and people actually choose a cov to stand behind
Honestly the # of people i see swapping covs because of a 10dps increase could just as easily play like 2% smarter for a 40dps increase
there are very few covs that are just absolute dumpsters
We lucked out in that necro is one of them but
frankly the cov system is fairly well implemented
sweet summit
Not yet
blazing condor
ree
rose sky
I'm a fury main who wants to craft a legendary for doing so m+ as protection but it's a bit troll to do right now that we're about to get legendary rebalancing on 9.0.5 right? 😄
stark sage
did we get a date on 9.0.5?
march floated around, but afaik its just a rumor
rose sky
We’ve opened the Public Test Realm (PTR) for Patch 9.0.5, the next update to World of Warcraft, which is now in-testing and expected to be released in March.
stark sage
there we go, not a real date but yeah that's pretty much guaranteed
timber lagoon
Maybe I'll finally get weapons higher than 200
shell bough
what’s stopping you
timber lagoon
213 ilvl with 200 wep and shield 😩
delicate warren
its tough getting os weapons, especially a shield
undone orchid
Hi ! I was wondering if Protection warrior was a good tank ? People told me that it was a bad one so i'm hesitating between Druid, DK and War
strong forum
its perfectly playable
modern brook
viable even
ocean bloom
Its just not vdh so bad /shrug
modern brook
I also tihnk pwar just demands a higher baseline understanding of your class to perform than other tanks do
and if you're like walking into it with no 3rd party information
its really easy to draw lines that dont exist
like "I have to keep ip up at all times"
chilly brook
Basically
ocean bloom
Yeah I like that about warrior i can make decisions about dmg vs survival in my rotation
modern brook
I would like if those decisions had the weight they did in the past
chilly brook
Your decision rn is go uber defensive and be extremely far behind in damage or go for damage and still be significantly behind the other tanks
chilly brook
I don't which class should I choose between the 3 I said earlier
The one you enjoy
undone orchid
Thanks for the answers ^^
modern brook
Druid and war are both fun rn
I think warrior is probably the most active of the list; like you'll be thinking the most while playing it
DK I'm biased against
steel mist
guys regarding about ancient aftershock, is it true if mobs stayed in zone they wont able to cast for 12 seconds?
modern brook
Druid has really fun legendaries and HOTW convokes
jagged pier
guys regarding about ancient aftershock, is it true if mobs stayed in zone they ...
no true but if they stay in they get knocked down
undone orchid
I like the fact that you must think a lot while tanking 🤔
steel mist
for 12 seconds straight up?
proud shell
I'm seeing several ppl running signet for m_... is that ok?
timber lagoon
ocean bloom
Yeah thunderlord just isn't that great wall is just always juicy
timber lagoon
What lvl m+ with signet?
carmine wadi
guys which cov are you going when you´re also dps with your warrior?
timber lagoon
I mean you could run keys with no leggo
ocean bloom
Signet are just arms players doing keys as prot
carmine wadi
venthyr? or will 9.0.5 change something :>
chilly brook
I'm seeing several ppl running signet for m_... is that ok?
Are they running it or is it what they logged off in because they also DPS?
proud shell
uh
proud shell
ive been checking raider io
chilly brook
But if you go to his VODs he doesnt
timber lagoon
jagged pier
ive been checking raider io
raider io take their logged off stuff
proud shell
ya i know pika runs the wall
chilly brook
raider io take their logged off stuff
This
chilly brook
Yes
modern brook
Yeah thunderlord just isn't that great wall is just always juicy
Tlords is still very good
proud shell
oh
frozen tree
Soooo... i kinda like prot warrior and want to level one now but everybody is like „prot bad“ ... is it that bad?
Want to do ksm. No mythic raid
proud shell
so for m+
modern brook
@frozen tree
chilly brook
Plka is again a good example as people have linked his "run" and then had the VoD of said run linked and it's the wall not signet
chilly brook
TL or The Wall yes
modern brook
Its preference/situation based
chilly brook
Or if you wanna pump
frozen tree
<@!234721610123313152>
Ty 🙂
modern brook
i refuse to believe in bsc reverb
chilly brook
Bruh it's big dam
sweet summit
Do u believe in am signet bonegrinder
sweet summit
🥺
chilly brook
I cant
wicked lantern
Lol I wanna believe in bsc/reverb so bad
sweet summit
Pls
wicked lantern
I’m sick of doing healer dam
modern brook
make 👏 clap 👏 clap 👏 again 👏
chilly brook
sweet summit
I highkey miss clapclap
chilly brook
Dont we all?
wicked lantern
I thought clap clap was kinda lame tbh
modern brook
the only thing i miss more than clap
IS battlecry -> breaking your shield slam button
chilly brook
BFA prot was super good
modern brook
what a good tier set
chilly brook
Design wise
I probably wouldn't have played BFA as much as I did if prot didnt exist lmao
wicked lantern
Soooo is necroprot gonna be a thing?
chilly brook
Seismic reverb
jagged pier
the biggest damage build ever
chilly brook
+bsc
jagged pier
and am
chilly brook
+show of force
rancid ember
I don't think that Necrolord signature makes it to live without nerfs/changes
modern brook
what was pioka waering
looks like the wall
wicked lantern
I’m bored of running pelagos for everything and changing conduits every 10 mins for PvP/M+. I wanna necroprot to be a thing
chilly brook
It wont be any better as necro lmao
chilly brook
You have even worse soulbinds
rancid ember
Kleia next week /w +5% crit seeming good
wicked lantern
Worse but I was thinking I could have a tank/PvP one and not have to swap
chilly brook
You're gonna run into the same issue
One soulbind will be best
And the rest wont be optimal
modern brook
NEcro gets around it cause Meredith sucks for everything except pvp
chilly brook
But then you'd have to be a nerd
modern brook
I’m bored of running pelagos for everything and changing conduits every 10 mins ...
I run pelagos for Arms PVP; prot warriors on kleia cause she's baeia
chilly brook
And be necro
sweet summit
Kleia simps 
chilly brook
Kleia simps <:weird:718676218500874320>
Kleia is T H I C C
spring quartz
imagine simping for anything besides Nadjia
sweet summit
imagine simping for anything besides Nadjia
TRUE
wicked lantern
I run pelagos for Arms PVP; prot warriors on kleia cause she's baeia
I may end up doing this cause I haven’t had more than two conduits swapsfor WEEKS lol
modern brook
imagine simping for anything besides Nadjia
my guys full in on hte crimson chin over here
sweet summit
Sorry i dont speak tree
wicked lantern
Any fairies in here? How’s nightfae for war?
chilly brook
Good
sweet summit
Very good
modern brook
wicked lantern
Shockwave slap harder than spear?
modern brook
imagine being capped
sweet summit
Kyrian is better defensively, night fae is better offensively
chilly brook
But Kyrian and NF are super close
sweet summit
Cos hes a gaming warlord
chilly brook
Because hes a dps boi in raid
sweet summit
Dps main
proud shell
true
chilly brook
And they needed a Venthyr in his group
proud shell
that's what im most concerned about
i like
venthyr
on fury
but i also wanna prot
haughty sleet
Kinda wish I was fae
blazing condor
Bruh a fucking dps gets the hakkar trinket in my group
valid zodiac
Is it possible to get 220 token from vault even tho itvsays all three slots are 213 HC CN?
wicked lantern
Yo I might swap to nightfae tonight. I’m kinda liking the soulbinds and idea of shockwave knock down.
I don’t wanna be a fairy tho 😦
sick sentinel
nightfae has best armor though
rancid ember
The soul shapes are so cool though..
wicked lantern
How long is it gonna take me to get my renown up?
modern gale
Depends how much you play
rancid ember
12-14 hours a week you'd be maxed in 2 weeks probably. Assuming you're raiding/pvping/dungeoning and doing the campaign during most of those hours.
blazing condor
Any tips on Malificent on tyrannical?
Buzz saw do be hurting doe
or is it just a DPS thing where you gotta blast her
chilly brook
It's basically a heal/dps check
The best you can do is use your defensives and pump IP
tardy parcel
can SR one tick of the buzz saw unless that's changed, but won't make or break a kill for you lol. phial can get rid of the bleeds as well iirc
chilly brook
And you can use reflect to remove one stack
blazing condor
yeah i just spam my SB / LS / SW when needed
and phial
but i think my pugs have just been BLing on milhouse
and not having any pump for her
tardy parcel
ah
you doing 10+? we set it up so that we have prideful for milhouse and lust for milli
waxen cradle
opinion wise what conduit do you guys feel is better for us in M+ Inspiring Presence (rallying cry),or Show of Force (TClap buff)
tardy parcel
we don't ever lust chillhouse
safe pier
I made the jump from Venth to Necro last night. Looking to the future, and i was getting bored of dps. Worst case Necro 9.0.5 gets reworked for the worse, ill just go back to Venth.
waxen cradle
or would ya guys say its based on the key level your pushing
tardy parcel
np np, but we do be lustin on milli doe
proud shell
wow is that a real pika
signal plover
No, it's pika bot
patent osprey
IP is actually poopoo unless u combine it with shield block or you need it to live cause u have nothing else
patent osprey
^.^ ❤️
proud shell
so I shouldn't try to keep my IP up constantly?
chilly brook
Not unless you need it
proud shell
i see
patent osprey
so I shouldn't try to keep my IP up constantly?
yeah there is no point. Most of the time shield block is sufficient
Just do dam 🙂
proud shell
ok thanks!
patent osprey
With the build I am currently running, all I focus on is bigger dam
Did 4.1k with Bolster in a spires 19 last night
so no AM, so its still fine
safe pier
Pika, so you use condem quite a bit for dam or mainly revenge?
ionic fern
2 different abilities for 2 different situations.
Revenge is for AoE Condemn is for ST.
patent osprey
^
proud shell
wouldn't AM be better for bigger dam
patent osprey
if I can condemn ST, I will use that mainly over IP and over most things
proud shell
i see
safe pier
Ta, thats really what i wanted to know.
I know its all highly situational. Goes without saying you also have a lot of trust in your healer.
chilly brook
wouldn't AM be better for bigger dam
Yes AM is better for dam but it's also about striking a balance
proud shell
right..
chilly brook
And bolster gets a lot more value in a dungeon tbh
carmine wadi
so guys i´m leveling my warrior twink now which covenant should i go for tanking m+ and also being dps?
just go venthyr?
chilly brook
so guys i´m leveling my warrior twink now which covenant should i go for tanking...
If you plan on mainly dpsing keys NF
carmine wadi
hmm and for doing also pvp?
wicked lantern
^it WAS op. Shit most ppl have immunities for it now and just bypass it.
Esp if you are using it for your gos, it’s too telegraphed
sonic lichen
what's the best wa ui for prot? i was gonna use luxthos but not sure if theres a better one out there
livid portal
Next week with full tree Theotar or Draven for M+
strong forum
i like my ui
vestal peak
need help guys pls, can you tell me which one to pick of the Vault if possible and ill link my gear if anyone care to help
vestal peak
i wont get that rating for sure
vestal peak
but both weapon and cape are 220 but my trinkets are not good, is it worth the trinket in the vault?
ok, thanks alot
blazing condor
i probably have one of the more wonky layouts and keybinds
vestal peak
@strong forum thanks alot
merry bronze
Hey, fresh CN tank here, ilvl 209 running bolster. Really struggling to survive in p2, any advice? i feel like i gotta blow my cd's here and got nothing left for p3 😦
(heroic) if that matters
frail wyvern
Denathrius?
frail wyvern
Turning 180 degrees when you go through the mirror is a good one, also use spell reflect to reduce the damage of his frontal
merry bronze
the spell reflect im currently good at, the mirror is where i eat alot of dmg too. i guess im not focused enough at facing when going through
solar spear
now the last soulbind row is unlocked, which one are you night fae fellas running for m+? Guides seem to be a bit inconclusive and i'm not sure the koryan final bonus is worth giving up the endurance conduit for
restive flax
what seems to kill you in p2?
frail wyvern
Once you get in the habit of spinning after going through the mirror it becomes second nature. We also position him really close to the mirror to reduce run time when going through, that helped a lot when we had enough practice to do that
somber ferry
This has probably been asked before, but exactly how shit is venthyr for prot?
frail wyvern
I play venthyr prot and love it
Condemn goes brrr
restive flax
You can rock as Venthyr Prot
frail wyvern
It feels so good
normal warren
Do you use Draven?
merry bronze
okay. so i should run through, strafing towards mirror. once through, i have my back facing the mirror?
frail wyvern
I use Nadjia
I find draven overkill, maybe I will find a fight where I need the extra survivability but so far all good
restive flax
@merry bronze When do you tauntswap usually? I've seen some groups delay the swap for whatever reason and that could also hurt a lot
frail wyvern
Once through the mirror, turn to face it
merry bronze
i swap immediately after frontal
okay. maybe im getting backstabbed after mirror without noticing. it feels like the boss just shoots off my kneecaps in p2 :/ i gotta fix it
restive flax
I mean the sword hurts a lot aswell with the bleed
frail wyvern
If you are running the wall you should be able to use shield wall in both phase
merry bronze
yes, that's another problem. when done with sword i am usually low on block charges for sire..
restive flax
I think he is using his defensives there but then struggles to have them available for p3
merry bronze
i do have wall for both phases, but then i feel soo weak in p3. i must be doing something wrong
frail wyvern
P3 does hit pretty hard
restive flax
^
merry bronze
could it be that this is the actual dmg im supposed to take? (excluding mirror fuckups) and that healers should do better? im clueless, i had 60 pulls on sire today, made p3 maybe 6-7 times
frail wyvern
I found a big part was getting used to the positioning for each part of p3, then it became easier to focus on surviving
restive flax
what trinkets do you use Aukrust?
you have something available you can use as a def cd?
little wave
I was gifted with a gigantic dong, the trade off was I'm horrible at reading and math.
Please explain this:
"Ignore Pain's cap is 2 times Ignore Pain on cast"
If my Ignore Pain tooltip says " up to 4000 total damage prevented"
Does that mean my Ignore Pain cap is 8000 damage? or 12000 damage total?
merry bronze
currently my best ilvl ones are memory of past sins 213, decanter of anima-charged winds 220. got an anima field emitter 203 in my bags
im cycling through my wall, last stand, double block charges, shout for reduce 20%, bastion spear to gen rage to fill into IP
usually got only 1 pot left after p1
restive flax
Do you have any lower item level trinkets like the denathrius one or scale?
solar spear
@little wave 8000. you can get a WA to track it
little wave
thank you
merry bronze
no i dont, sadly
restive flax
Because as fun as DPS trinkets are, if you are in progress and struggling with surviving you kinda need every bit of survivability you can get
Id use the Emitter over either one of the others
merry bronze
this is just choices available, i havent received any other tanking trinkets yet, i gotta do more m+ i guess to look for it
frail wyvern
Part of it is probably the healers getting used to the dmg profile of the fight/phases too, along with trying to do tactics correctly
merry bronze
the healers were curved, multiple
restive flax
Also depends what kind of externals you have available
merry bronze
shaman and paladin healer, with pala having 250 pulls on sire
there was more, but those two should be good
merry bronze
2-3-9
the rdruid was struggling
every time i die, it's the same question "why are you dead?" so it seems like healers think they're doing a pretty good job ^^
frail wyvern
Are you asking the druid to save ironwork for you when you call it, for example?
Ironbark
merry bronze
no, i'm still learning the fight, i'm getting the hang of it. but raidleader usually controls cooldowns
i got more than enough with watching my def cd's and healthbar and also avoid mechanics atm
frail wyvern
Really you need to speak to the raid lead and agree you can ask for externals
restive flax
Raidlead is not always the best one to keep track of your personals / externals of the healer if theyre playing themselfs
merry bronze
yes, i'll do that
merry bronze
well it kind of happens around the same timestamps every time, so it's weird he also hasn't picked up on it. i'll ask more for cd's, ty
restive flax
either one of the trinkets I mentioned should help you a lot aswell
if you should get access to them
in p2 you should also be able to hit quite a few enemies with the scale
to get a big shield
frail wyvern
In p2 I make sure to be hitting the boss too while the sword is doing stuff, helps a bit with reducing your SW cooldown further
solar spear
wdym angelnilia?
frail wyvern
If people don't take you its 99% because they believe warrior is rubbish
restive flax
^
merry bronze
thanks for the advice guys. appreciated, i'll look further into healer cooldowns and try to get myself a new trinket. it's also hard swaps for healers since my co-tank is a 218 prot pala 🙂
unique shale
😦
solar spear
aah yeah, i always just push my own keys for that reason haha
frail wyvern
I think we've all experienced it Angelnilia, I just think those people are probably not worth playing with anyway
restive flax
Tbh I dont experience that a lot for some reason. When I queue up people are just curious to see a warrior 😄
sometimes they like it, sometimes they dont.
🤷♂️
frail wyvern
I get that too, most common for me is a dps joining the group and immediately leaving because its a warr tank
solar spear
ive had that with healers especially lol
i like pushing my own anyway because i can choose the others in the group
frail wyvern
Their loss, I can't remember the last time I didn't time a key 😂
restive flax
dude every now and then healers learn to love prot warriors. it feels good to turn people 😄
frail wyvern
I did have a healer the other day sticking up for warriors when somebody was moaning
solar spear
most healers are suprised when im on voice chat, public perception is a bitch
unique shale
i ain't have luck with my own key either every single dh tank i invited some how turn out to be a noob
solar spear
any night fae's here?
frail wyvern
My best m+ experiences are always with the most off-meta groups possible 😂
unique shale
lol
restive flax
Today I popped off with a 5 melee group and it was hilarious
frail wyvern
I tried that with storming, was pretty fun
unique shale
restive flax
Its fun to see ferals burst actually
like... you can see the boss bar chunk down when those dudes bite them
frail wyvern
When you expect a boomkin and he rocks up in cat form
restive flax
I'm a fan
frail wyvern
Feral is fine right now
restive flax
Yeah we have a feral in raid currently and he rocks the meters sometimes
ionic pewter
Any tips for moving the mirrors with aggro on sire in heroic P2? Feels like I'm getting telefragged when he appears behind me
frail wyvern
Do you play dps too @unique shale ?
unique shale
Do you play dps too <@493219369648783371> ?
yup i playing both fury and arm since fury share same stats as prot
chilly brook
Any tips for moving the mirrors with aggro on sire in heroic P2? Feels like I'm ...
Pop a CD
Its the only real time you're in danger in p2
restive flax
yup i playing both fury and arm since fury share same stats as prot
fury is fun af 😄
ionic pewter
Thanks @chilly brook
frail wyvern
I love fury, shame it was dog shite at the start of the exp so I ended up a tank 😂
unique shale
fury is fun af 😄
yup it is
restive flax
as a kyrian too btw. The pastery you get from Pelagos is actually pretty insane
uh.. mastery*
😂
frail wyvern
I play on silvermoon too Angelnilia, hit me up if you want to team up for a few 😄
static shore
Guys why night fae on blood malle is BiS for protection warrior ?
frail wyvern
Its best dps I believe
static shore
And which covenant did you guys follow ?
frail wyvern
Venthyr here too
static shore
Condemn spammer ?
restive flax
blue smurf here :/
unique shale
Condemn spammer ?
well yes and no
frail wyvern
I love the condemn playstyle. I know kyrians are a bit jealous but they are addicted to the phial 😄
restive flax
the only thing I'm addicted to is healthstones 😄
unique shale
lol
frail wyvern
I race changed to dark iron dwarf so I get a phial anyway 
It doesn't heal but it does the cleanse which is the most important bit
restive flax
I'll have a closer look at skullbois in upcoming patches. I wanna go back.
static shore
I want to race change too , I’m an orc and I’m considering either HM Tauren or zandalari troll
chilly brook
Niya go brrrrrr
frail wyvern
Have you seen the requirements for returning to a covenant you left?
restive flax
define requirements?
chilly brook
Literally night before reset
unique shale
i guess both orc and Tauren are good for tanking race