I used scale
#protection
gaunt dawn
multiple times every denathrius pull
๐ฆ
it went bap
and disappeared in 0.3 of a melee swing
strong forum
Dam
tiny blade
slim current
People that have killed Lady in mythic can you give some tips? Im taking aaalot of damage its insane, i do the mechanic right and don't get above 2 stacks. Or is it just a really tankheavy fight?
hardy radish
it just slaps
ocean bloom
Yeah, just gotta be focused to not mess up the ghosts and you can spell reflect the tank adds cast to prevent those stacks
The fight is a lot of tank dmg
vague jetty
I do believe if the damage is just too much on your raid group canโt you taunt every single stack and not screw up?
But ideally yes 2
strong forum
No, you can't swap on 1
vague jetty
Pretty sure thatโs false
You donโt want to do that, but if your tanks canโt survive without
strong forum
If you die with swapping on 2 then something is fucky
It's not that much dmg intake imo, feels pretty chill unless you get like 3-4 stacks
Last phase is a bit scurry cuz everything is happening
vague jetty
Yes, you should be able to handle 2 stacks
strong forum
But very chill fight imo
I recommend playing AM, lotsa shieldwalls
Don't think bolster is all that valuable on her
split wyvern
Any thoughts on the new covenant changes to Necrolords for Prot?
solemn magnet
It's NF Pally levels of aight
high folio
so the new necrolord ability still looks p awful
strong forum
Nothing to write home about
jagged pier
Any thoughts on the new covenant changes to Necrolords for Prot?
if u want to be a buff bitch go ahead, and felshcraft probs getting a nef
strong forum
You can proceed to ignore it unless you want to play butt buddies with boomkins
For their parses
valid zodiac
I guess 213 Macabree Sheet > 200 PvP Haste / Str proc?
jagged pier
nope
strong forum
But we have to see how much actual value it can provide
gaunt dawn
PvP trinket
ocean bloom
It might get abused by certain top groups if it stays at current tuning id think but its not worth for the avg player for sure
gaunt dawn
Down with Sheet Music
split wyvern
I might check it out on the ptr later. At a glance the banner rework looks like it has some improvement. We will see
jagged pier
what improvement?
autumn pendant
You can proceed to ignore it unless you want to play butt buddies with boomkins
buff bot
jagged pier
^^ this
slim current
We are doing the 3 healer tactic and try to push dps as much as possible to skip phases, we did first try last raid and it felt good. we got it down to 20-30% couple of times. Main problem wasent tank dmg i just wondered if i should do something special to help out im spamming all i can. I was just suprised how heavy the dmg was compare to other boss. but i guess its alot of magic dmg aswell from the stacks. Ye i dont get more than 2 stacks
strong forum
3 healing ye that would do it
slim current
But very chill fight imo
thats what i thought. i actually swapped to that, i pretty much had shield wall every time i had 2 stacks so it helped out alot really
high folio
itd be cool if it were like a haste proc or something, every covenant is a mastery proc except venth
slim current
Yeah, just gotta be focused to not mess up the ghosts and you can spell reflect ...
I did spell reflect when i was at 2 stacks to mitigate some dmg, maybe thats wrong?
strong forum
Ye cuz mastery is universal generally a "do more of X"
Every mastery in some from increases dmg
Or healing
Every single one
high folio
this is true, more of a one size fits all stat
high folio
100%
slim current
What trinkets did you guys do for this boss on progress run? Im thinking maybe haste trink is better than splintered?
high folio
i need better trinkets so bad i have heroic gluttonous and sheet music
jagged pier
ill be SLG and decanter tonight
high folio
i dont mind glutonous bc it does an okay bit of healing but sheet music is so obnoxious to use right
strong forum
I'm basically overgearing mythic at this point, so if I need to use a defensive trinkets it's because I'm playing bad
That's my take on it
jagged pier
same
strong forum
And 98%of the time healers don't use their externals anyway
jagged pier
which is why i need defensive trinket half the time
strong forum
So just ask for that instead
slim current
I'm running anime + decanter
Why decanter tho? I always run cheat death on progress runs, anima field is nice tho
strong forum
Cuz it's 226
You wouldn't catch me running cheat death unless maybe on slg or denathrius
But im not there, nor do I have or want cheat death
jagged pier
running chest death could cause u to kill your other tank if u die or melee ๐คท
strong forum
And that ye
slim current
I mean the trinket if you take lethal dmg you don't die. You just heal up instantly.
Saved me 100s times
Specially when pushing 15/16 keys
strong forum
๐ค
jagged pier
isnt that sun king?
strong forum
It damages friendlies
jagged pier
which kills ppl
slim current
It does some dmg to close ups yea but not lethal lol
strong forum
Ye I wouldn't run it below 20/21s
slim current
Are you doing 20/21s tho?
strong forum
No, but 15-17s are piss easy
Like we had 2 full wipes and still timed our keys yesterday when boosting
1 or 2 people
slim current
i only have 1.4k rio and im still like 250-300 top in the world lol. so apparently people arent doing that high that much as prot warrior.
ocean bloom
Rip pika
strong forum
I'm not doing higher than weekly max
jagged pier
u have more score than me i dont push
strong forum
Pika isn't pushing seriously either
jagged pier
and i dont run death tinket
strong forum
He's casually pushing here and there
strong forum
I wanted to only do 1 key yesterday
Got baited into 5 keys
To help a guildy get KSM
Cuz we just so happen to have his last missing keys
digital hawk
this you?
strong forum
Si
red swallow
i got my Wall on my scuffed warrior now, time to learn how to play prot
digital hawk
I'm a venthyr prot โ
red swallow
im night fae
jagged pier
im necro 
red swallow
a man of culture
strong forum
This key was max kek
red swallow
Im assuming the talents dont change with this leggo
slim current
thanks for input tho Nomeratur
jagged pier
depends what talents you are runn
digital hawk
I looked at that one lol
slim current
what stats you focusing most?
ocean bloom
Ilvl
jagged pier
This key was max kek
i have .5 more ilvl that you scub 
strong forum
Ilvl > haste > vers
digital hawk
how did you even time that lol
strong forum
Cuz we're good
red swallow
depends what talents you are runn
I was just running the ones recommended on wowhead/iv
for m+ and raid respectively
slim current
You guys doing pvp? Feels like all our bis items is there
ocean bloom
Yes
strong forum
I had to afk for like 2min in that key aswell
jagged pier
I was just running the ones recommended on wowhead/iv
still doesnt help
ocean bloom
Pvp is by far the fastest and most efficent way to gear
strong forum
Food delivery came
red swallow
still doesnt help
3321233 and 3122211
slim current
what rating you need for 226 gear tho?
strong forum
2.1
slim current
i mean before that its useless
jagged pier
3321233 and 3122211
you never run UF
slim current
atleast in this state
digital hawk
220 is fine
red swallow
I dont...?
jagged pier
you should run deva/BV/Rav/Bolster or AM for dungeons
and deva/BV/ITF/AM or bolster for raid
split wyvern
Yup
red swallow
thats what i am running
ionic fern
I dont...?
Fairly certain neither of the guides has said "UF" since forever,. ๐
red swallow
Did i type wrong somewhere because i am not running UF
digital hawk
nah son I run punish/rumbling earth/best served cold/menace/impending victory/into the fray/ and heavy repercussions
โ
jagged pier
Did i type wrong somewhere because i am not running UF
i dunno i dont know the numbes anymore
red swallow
I didnt type 2 on the 45 row either
jagged pier
nah son I run punish/rumbling earth/best served cold/menace/impending victory/in...
get out
digital hawk
LOL
red swallow
but ok then i know im running the right stuff
amber herald
the damage radius on sunkings is tiny though
I've never seen any notable friendly fire from it
strong forum
I only run crackling on sks
If that was the talk
Oh you mean the trinket
Ye it's tiny
But it can happen
amber herald
Never seen it in any of our m+ progress runs ๐
amber herald
nice
jolly thistle
My Cotank tried it, itโs in the 5 yards range
amber herald
probably not one for sire then
jolly thistle
or hungering
sick sentinel
i tried to run LFR last night and we wiped to huntsman like 4 or 5 times. the absolute state of LFR/LFG....
was on mage but i mean lol
merry bronze
Hi! could i get some advice on which one would be better out of AM and Bolster for sire? I'm 207 and running The Wall
merry bronze
I am, he hurts
jagged pier
then bloster and use it correctly
merry bronze
Thanks for quick answer ๐
Would you also recommend Punish above Dev for extra defenses?
ocean bloom
Yeah dev also prevents misplays
Of pressing dev when SS procs
So its even more rage
flat bramble
Bascially, what are you all thinking about the alar trinket ? (i see some discussion but hard to follow ๐ )
ember marsh
dude what is wrong with me
rotund parcel
the muscle memory of pressing sunder or devestate for a decade is hard to overcome too, whatever i rebind to where they were
gets spammed
ember marsh
i love playing this game but i cannot stick to a character
amber herald
It's good for progressing in content you're not 100% on
flat bramble
like hard mm+ at my levelm for exemple ?
amber herald
also fun for killing allies (some will say this is a negative)
jagged pier
Bascially, what are you all thinking about the alar trinket ? (i see some discus...
its good for like 20/21 keys and thats about it
you dont need it on progression in raid
ocean bloom
Id rather run a diff defensive trinket over cheat death in raid tho, the possibility of a bad outcome just isn't great imo, rivht now I'm running scale and gluttony
amber herald
scale is better
ocean bloom
Mainly cuz 226 gluttony
flat bramble
yeah same, scale and gluttony (correct heal through mm run)
il will try it for some hard push in mm
sweet summit
sweet summit
soonโข๏ธ
strong forum
Damn he faster than me
I'll get sockets this week tho
Once I can force myself into maw
sweet summit
maw time 1830 ST ๐
strong forum
1830 is too early
flat bramble
how you see the bonus for each stats ? what add on ?
sweet summit
deja character stats
oh
uhhh informed tooltips
an addon
IQD isnt great as a tank
its huge for like some dps specs
woven trellis
even dmg wise?
sweet summit
idk, you can sim it, id guess its pretty good if you can get stats every time
flat bramble
ty
woven trellis
hm
jagged pier
IQD over sims
woven trellis
we can sim protwarrior dmg now? with raidbot?
sweet summit
yea
wispy coral
I see that WoWA isn't receiving updates for now because of disagreements. I'm not super involved in the warrior community but is there any indication of whether or not someone else has the capacity/skill to set that up soon? WoWA has been such a valuable tool for me on my main and I was bummed to see it's no longer being supported on this spec as I'm trying to learn it.
outer solstice
I see that WoWA isn't receiving updates for now because of disagreements. I'm no...
well the sudden switch to a premium model for the best feature was quite a bummer
wispy coral
Yeah the difference of opinion noted in the changelog seems totally understandable to me
woven trellis
well
IQD may not be the best but its a big upgrade from my haste pvp 197 trinket so
for arm at least
im simmin prot rn
strong forum
is it not?
Due to a cloak and dagger action from the owner of wowa made parts of it locked behind a pay wall
So Abe an others withdrew their participation
sweet summit
oh 
last mason
anyone do tyrannical keys yet, how are they
lusty ember
Necrolord covenant rework incoming. Thoughts? I'm guessing it'll still not be as impactful as on-demand rage from spear
plush tendon
The changes right now seem to be going in the right direction, and as long as it is competitive I will probably switch from Kyrian to Necro for my warrior. I absolutely cant stand that 3 out of the 4 tanks I play are Kyrian plus Necrolord Tmog is on point
night bison
๐
lusty ember
I think a lot of people feel similarly about the aesthetics but I'm more interested in the numbers right now
plush tendon
its hard to say, as I havnt personally tried it yet and its stil subject to tuning
lusty ember
Probably too early to say much. But a mastery buff to your druids may not be awful either
plush tendon
The mastery buff is pretty nice, combined with ememi 15% strength on activate plus the 10% you can get from conduit seems pretty neat
but it also generates rage, I think 80 in total?
sweet summit
60 i think
jagged pier
i mean if your looking at it as a solo buff its still shit compared to kyrain as pelagos gives you 50 less mastery all the time, if you want to be a buff bitch tho go ahead
plush tendon
Id rather be a buff bitch that looks swag then a lamppost though
night bison
Preach.
jagged pier
i mean sure stand out of range and afk with your bommies for 15 secs if that what u want to do
i wont be doing the ๐คท
plush tendon
naw, they gotta come to me ๐
lusty ember
Does the fleshcraft rework make it more attractive? Am I reading it right that corpses are just absorbed If you have the buff up?
plush tendon
can you still drop the banner?
lusty ember
30% DR while channelling also
jagged pier
thats getting nerfs
lusty ember
It does seem rather high
plush tendon
I think there will be ways to play around it, especially if you dont have melee and can coordinate with your group, but yea there are obvious downsides to it
amber herald
if they make banner targetable I might try it
plush tendon
and losing a 1 min damage CD does suck
lusty ember
15 seconds centred on you is certainly an improvement but yeah the rage over time is still a deal breaker I think
It doesn't damage also so no snap threat
Just not feeling it
desert dome
i mean if your looking at it as a solo buff its still shit compared to kyrain as...
Is that really a good comparison? Pelagos gives mastery once a minute, but as Necro you have a soulbind that would presumably give you a buff too. Emeni gives up to 13% main stat.
plush tendon
15%
desert dome
thanks
jagged pier
Is that really a good comparison? Pelagos gives mastery once a minute, but as Ne...
i mean 350 mastery every minute or 400 every 2
pretty comparable
plush tendon
again, you become a even bigger banner boi since you also give primary stat to two allies XD
plush tendon
yea, but that 350 is on a 1min CD
desert dome
and it's 1200 mastery actually...if you consider group
lusty ember
again, you become a even bigger banner boi since you also give primary stat to t...
Matters way more in keys but fair
jagged pier
you only get 15% main stat if u chocie emeni
plush tendon
yea, but whos not using Pelagos?
jagged pier
^^
lusty ember
Beat me to it
desert dome
True but who doesnt use emeni ๐ฎ
plush tendon
I think literally every Kyrian, except VDH, prefers Pelagos
people who like Bonesmith?
jagged pier
i use the first soulbind of necro
amber herald
<-- niya simp
lusty ember
BURR BOIS
desert dome
and bonesmith has good buffs too i think
plush tendon
I think outright Pelagos is better in general, Necrotic Kleia has her place, but only VDH prefers Kleia at renown 34
desert dome
3% permanent main stat etc
plush tendon
yea, both Emeni and Bonesmith will be viable options
desert dome
anyway the real comparison is the damage/rage/aggro ever 1min from Spear vs up to 1200 mastery + ms every 2mins
necro will make aggro retention harder with dps lul
lusty ember
If they get it to Spear > AA =CB I'll be satisfied. We're hardly shit tier for covenant choice
desert dome
I'm only thinking of switching to Necro cause it would be fun to buff allies and I lowkey like main stat a lot so Emeni + strength potency would be big fat shield slams
i only avoided necro cause of all the alarms sounding
(note im not a raid tank just tank M+ up to 15)
plush tendon
in its current form, Necro is just bad
night bison
I've been Necro since day 1 and I love it. Min/Max, whatever, I pull my weight above classes that should be out performing me regularly but don't.
desert dome
yeah it didnt look very appealing
But the changes to Necro (Conquerer + Fleshcraft) look promising so I'm considering it now... will wait for further tuning (if any)
desert dome
I've been Necro since day 1 and I love it. Min/Max, whatever, I pull my weight a...
I mean I play Kyrian Arcane mage and do really well with it so I've been there lol\
plush tendon
I think its also important to note that necro is the least popular of all Covs, so you do bring access to dungeon buffs in ToP and Plaguefall that most groups go without
desert dome
yeah that too... I'll miss phial tho
fleshcraft looks good for magic damage tho so not a bad trade
desert dome
nnn
steel mist
guys which legendary is better for someone who is new to tanking prot warrior from a guardian druid
sick sentinel
i've been playing necrolord arcane mage and its okay, but they are buffing deathborne 20 > 25 sec duration 10 > 15% spell damage
steel mist
prot warrior
sick sentinel
i'm nightfae currently, guess i'll wait and see what the changes look like once they hit live.
steel mist
sorry about that
signal plover
Go with the wall, it is the best all around option
sick sentinel
withe the conduits i'd be able to have 15% SP and cleave for an entire lust period
desert dome
I like the wall..feels useful no matter what... TL feels bad on bosses
signal plover
On ST bosses yeah
desert dome
only benefit 1.5cdr per clap if st
plush tendon
its loses value when you cant thunderclap lots of targets
jagged pier
for over all if your going to be both raid and m+ go the wall first
then get TLs
and try it out in m+
sick sentinel
i still need 45 points to get my TW 4
and then i will need advice on seeking out a 3rd lego to build
jagged pier
whatever you want
steel mist
for me its primary pushing keys m+
sick sentinel
i am 206 ilvl and i have TW 3 (mats and 1905, need 1950 to r4) shoulder [H/V] and gloves TL 4 [H/V]
signal plover
I'ma fuck around with seismic this weekend I think
amber herald
it's a flat 40% buff to revenge right?
night bison
I'ma fuck around with seismic this weekend I think
I tried it. It's fun, but more difficult to use for not that much more DPS. Though for Fortified It proved to be about 10% more overall DSP on mobs.
steel mist
raiding died in my guild since they gave up on sire heroic
jagged pier
it's a flat 40% buff to revenge right?
no
its an extra revenge for 40% of the damage
signal plover
Pika inspired me with his 4k overall dps memes
jagged pier
do that anyway ๐คท just not that high 4k
patent osprey
I tried it. It's fun, but more difficult to use for not that much more DPS. Thou...
my SD 15 begs to differ ^.^ it was a 25% increase for me running seismic
uneven mason
Look boys, Banner getting a buff
last mason
do hmt have the same animations as normal t
uneven mason
500 mastery has to be good for 2 other people in the raid.
night bison
my SD 15 begs to differ ^.^ it was a 25% increase for me running seismic
Nice! You're probably just better than me XD, gg.
patent osprey
over 25%
amber herald
is that overall dmg?
amber herald
maybe the meta will be seismic necrolord with using fleshcraft to offset the defensive loss 
chilly brook
It's not like you have to fo anything crazy to get 3 or more mobs
night bison
pairing it up with the SS/WW proc is just a different vibe. My brain found it a bit harder to plan out thats all.
patent osprey
Idk how seismic would be more difficult to use
well i mean to take advantage of it optimally its alot more weaving TC with Revenge + SB.
amber herald
were you still venthyr with that log as well?
night bison
Oh duh... Not use to being in the Prot channel, was thinking Arms lololol.
amber herald
so NF will be even bigger pumpers
patent osprey
yeah
amber herald
ooh boy
patent osprey
5k dream easy
amber herald
I should make this
chilly brook
well i mean to take advantage of it optimally its alot more weaving TC with Reve...
Yes but idk I feel like I slap TC a pretty decent amount in keys already
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
amber herald
probably want head slot for when they let us equip too I'd imagine
two*
what's this about weaving thunderclap and revenge? Isn't that we do anyway
patent osprey
just depends if ur running show of force
north coral
@sick sentinel what venthyr souldbind you using for keys?
patent osprey
@north coral Nadjia mostly
amber herald
one thing with being NF and that leggo you'd probably want the covenant conduit not show of force
amber herald
noice
chilly brook
I wish the Venthyr soulbind trees were....better?
The placement of conduits kinda sucks
plush tendon
Really? I've always thought Venthyr soulbinds were legit
uneven mason
I wish prot had a way to cleave condemn, or that condemn's absorb was placed on us rather than on the target.
yeah venthyr has good bind placement IDK
it only feels bad because we don't get a good potency
and the venthyr one is very "meh" (because it was fun detected during beta)
timber lagoon
A personal absorb for every condemn would feel good
A reason to press it on trash lol
chilly brook
it only feels bad because we don't get a good potency
I mean from a Fury perspective
I.e. you go dauntless duelist
You only get 1 potency
And if you go double potency you get kinda a meh last bind
sweet summit
two finesse tho!!!
chilly brook
What am I gonna slot in the second finesse?
sweet summit
ph cdr or safeguard
chilly brook
Ph?
sweet summit
piercing howl
chilly brook
Gross
signal plover
Peepee hold
sweet summit
plague hall
desert dome
Do we care about double potency? I only ever run covenant as potency... Show of Force seems weak af
desert dome
right
chilly brook
It's cool if you just wanna pump
desert dome
Would be nice if we got a nice potency to play with...
sweet summit
just some dps warr talk
desert dome
๐
chilly brook
Cuz revenge does actually end up doing some big dam over the course of a dungeon
chilly brook
BSC+show of force+reverb=big dam
desert dome
pog
sullen valve
@wispy coral it's still valid for the current patch so keep blasting away with it (even if there is a message saying it might not be)
@sweet summit tldr the owner added a paywall without informing any of the maintainers or admins. So I left
sweet summit
oh sorry i didnt know ๐
open monolith
New necrolord looks... cute
chilly brook
New necrolord looks... cute
You look cute
signal plover
I look cute
chilly brook
Yes you do
signal plover
O gosh
open monolith
Ty
ocean bloom
You mean ptr stuff
jolly thistle
yeah
and they should get rid of the idea from necro banner buffing other players. It either sucks or is mandatory
chilly brook
^basically this
Want an ez fix?
Make banner Lucid
With a main stat bonus
Ez pz
I don't actually know if it'd be competitive for fury or prot
chilly brook
But it'd be a decent alternative for arms
median tulip
Tough choices: a huge upgrade to my weakest armour piece, or the trinket
ocean bloom
Do you have a scale?
median tulip
Do you have a scale?
No
ocean bloom
Scale for sure imo then
median tulip
Yeah. Especially because I think every other plate wearer in my guild has Altimor's wrists already
stiff osprey
hey guys, thinking about getting into prot (currently fury), ive tanked with a bear in legion and monk in bfa, how is prot in SL? (heroic and early mythic + 15m+ tops)
jagged pier
its fine
amber herald
tankiness is decent dmg relatively low
heavy sail
Tank balance where it is right now, you wonโt find any issues doing that range of content with any spec @stiff osprey
Play what you enjoy.
open monolith
Unless you enjoy getting into pug groups
In which case you should probably just play something you don't enjoy then :-)
waxen steppe
Im still stuck between a Blood DK or a Prot Warr as my main tank >.<
sonic lichen
choose whichever one looks cooler and lore wise is awesome for you. I tend to do better on a tank i actually have fun with and enjoy mogging on
@waxen steppe
mighty valley
I like charges and leaps, have less fun with DK mobility of "move kinda faster"
sonic lichen
agree^ mobility is also fun to get around
BDK's Death advance is more like just putting on your heeleys
final axle
DK no push back is cool but leaping is more fun
waxen steppe
Leaping is fun! I do like DKs self sustain
final axle
Actually can't play anything else without constantly trying to leap now
sonic lichen
can also jump from great heights and just leap before you fall or charge an NPC
final axle
That dps screenshot above is insane
Thats with the revenge lego? I mean, shit, is it worth it to drop TL for that at 209ilvl for less than +15 mythics?
prime nymph
Hey, is there an elvui setting or something that will stack boss unit frames together. kinda like how gladius does in arena. just want to have it for blood council really
jagged pier
Thats with the revenge lego? I mean, shit, is it worth it to drop TL for that at...
it is in 15s and he pushes like 20+ so 15s for plka are easy content, u can run the revenge leggo with the talnt build he is but it gives you no defences to you need to be very comfortable in the content your doing
patent osprey
Thats with the revenge lego? I mean, shit, is it worth it to drop TL for that at...
@jagged pier is correct ^.^ If you feel comfortable with the dungeons to the point you know what is gonna do damage to you and what isn't then you can play the meme dps build. Otherwise I would say just play the normal build with TL or the Wall
hardy radish
okay question
3rd pull of mists, with the 2 harvesters, a soulcleaver, and the boughbreaker
it was my understanding that a hunter could trap, run through first, rest of party follow, and then he feigns death to clear aggro
and you could skip it
am I incorrect
hardy radish
ok so the hunter in my group was just dumb ty
charred egret
is there any post about new necrolords ability
sweet summit
its more attactive, but its not the finest
jagged pier
good if u want to be a buff bitch, not so good if your looking for it personally
midnight jetty
Is hungering destroyers trinket any good?
jagged pier
it aight
chilly brook
is there any post about new necrolords ability
No because no one has actually done the math and testing since it's only been up for less than 24 hours
Everyone needs to chillllllllll
sharp sun
Everyone needs to chillllllllll
But we need to know now!!! Arghghghgh implodes
chilly brook
But we need to know now!!! Arghghghgh *implodes*
If ya knew now it wouldn't even matter :)
sharp sun
I could start farming renown now at least ๐
chilly brook
We don't know when 9.0.5 will be arriving and farming renown now is pretty pointless
It's a super fast catchup
And youd be stuck with a poopoo ability until 9.0.5
sharp sun
Tempted to swap anyway for the cov armour and the changes sound quite nice at bringing the gap down a bit from kyrian
Even if numbers are ultimately worse, not sure about soulbind trees though
chilly brook
Necro soulbinds are bad
chilly brook
Ye just chill
We'll get more information by the time it drops
And then you can make a decision
But also play what you want
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sharp sun
I fully get play what you want, but still follow the crowd most the time ๐๐ got a spectral moose to start farming this week now so Iโll wait a bit either way!
sharp sun
Yeah necro and venthyr armours I like
stark sage
I just dont wanna be a buff bitch
whats wrong with buff bitches
final axle
So that limit max comments on prot warrior are on yesterday's stream at around 1hr55m
stark sage
havnt you seen femorc
chilly brook
whats wrong with buff bitches
I love buff bitches
haughty sleet
How long does it take to catch up on renown if you switch
final axle
I dont think he's saying its going to be bis to run 2 prot warriors, just that it might be good and seems like a strategy
astral crystal
You can get your full tree in about a week if you pvp and Pve enough
Depending on the tree anyway
The first soulbinds are pretty quick
haughty sleet
Yeah Iโm lucky to get like 5 hours of playtime outside of raiding
haughty sleet
Please tell me itโs 1 per mythic boss
plush tendon
I did 5/10 Mythic last night and got two renown
stark sage
i doubt difficulty matters, pretty sure best way is to grind heroic dungeons
plush tendon
or patience and just do the callings as they come up
I dont have any data to suggest this, but for me when I was catching up with renown I got a lot more renown at the lower levels and as a I started to reach the max it slowed down
chilly brook
That's how it seems to work
ember marsh
does anyone have that spreadsheet thing that showed statweights for every spec
cause traditionally specs that favor haste/crit scale better iirc
but not always
and im not speaking of prot warrior
just in general
thinking of making sin rogue its really underrated rn and has insane execute
just geezers playing it
acoustic stratus
@patent osprey you said you were thinking of going night fae, but with the necro buffs what you thinking now
sharp sun
thinking of making sin rogue its really underrated rn and has insane execute
I love assass rogue, it certainly scales well and has a silly execute phase with the legendary that speeds up dots and bleeds ๐
ember marsh
yep
and then also blindside
is execute talent as well
sicne it procs more when they're below 35
sharp sun
Mhm, and a flat 18% buff over the last few patches lol
ember marsh
scales with haste and crit..
sharp sun
Itโs going to get silly soon
ember marsh
and they have some funnel with uhh
doing baby garrotes to get a lot of energy
so something like council
do baby garrotes on the other bosses for energy regen to funnel on prio
but requires big iq
maintaining slice and dice garrote and rupture on main target
while also doing that
sharp sun
Ezpz
ember marsh
would be really nice if that one talent for kidney shot worked even if it didnt stun
like on bosses
but might be busted
10% dmg taken from all sources is insane
would have to tune it
sharp sun
Yeah that would be silly in a raid env
ember marsh
yeah would have to make it like 5% and then have it on a cd prob
5% from all dmg taken on 1 min or 2 min
basically same as monk debuff or dh
really hard to see how sin is actualyl perofrming considering
theres so few parses
its definitely already outscaled sub rogue though
sharp sun
Yeah, I switched off sub for it ages ago but stopped my rogue around 186 to make the warr and learnt to tank
ember marsh
tg?
sharp sun
Torghast
patent osprey
<@!133743762999476224> you said you were thinking of going night fae, but with t...
unless ur in a super organized group i dont think Necro is the play. The fleshcraft isn't very useful for majority of packs because you can only fleshcraft a corpse and there wouldn't be one at the start of the pull correct? And the banner, is situational as not all classes benefit as much from mastery. Its situational. I could see the benefit but its just easier to be kyrian or NF
sharp sun
Sure is
ember marsh
i mean for m+ its really good cause it just says the closest allies so they could be 30 yards away and still get it
would just have to line it up with convoke/wild spirits/combust
and other cds like that
also the movespeed and rage gen
but yeah its super selfless
patent osprey
yeah so like if u played with a set group and made sure it lined up all the time
i could see it
but... for 99% of the player base
it just wont happen
ember marsh
i think people are overlooking the movespeed to an extent
ember marsh
ofc not
patent osprey
it wont make or break my key
and like what if ur 2 allies cds get disjointed and suddenly 1 is up but other isnt
are u gonna ask them to hold
for 1-2 min
could be a dps loss
its just hard imo. Better for raid tbh to be necro war
ember marsh
i cant find the spreadsheet
there was a google doc iirc that showed the stat values per point for each spec
like .70 per haste etc
and ik its dynamic based on how much you already have
mighty valley
unless ur in a super organized group i dont think Necro is the play. The fleshcr...
You can fleshcraft any time, don't need a corpse near you
but yeah, looks best for raid or a static m+ group you coordinate with
ember marsh
for raid it would be really nice for big hits that blocking doesnt really help with
theres no way fleshcraft is going to go live with those current numbers though
but itll still be really good unless they gut it
even if it was 30% hp shield 20% dr itd still be nice
chilly brook
are u gonna ask them to hold
This is the point I was making lmao
Far too many variables
But if its borked its borked
chilly brook
theres no way fleshcraft is going to go live with those current numbers though
Why not?
It's not super consequential
jagged pier
in pvp it is tho
jagged pier
tru but blizz
chilly brook
Wouldn't be the first time and wont be the last
Like paladin in combat mana regen in pvp
ember marsh
well i think the issue is
even max has said that next raid tier if fleshcraft is the way it is
for wf raiding theyll probably have several people switch to necro even if it isnt their best cov ability because the ability to gain that shield/dr on an incoming big dmg
like sludge pillar hit or something like that
mighty valley
compare to door, or soulshape, or even phial on the majority of bosses
ember marsh
you can literlaly scrape a healer
patent osprey
yeah in raid i can 100% see it
chilly brook
Everyone said door was too good not to play in raid
patent osprey
its a controlled environment
ember marsh
its so strong in raid
patent osprey
but imagine pugging as necro
ember marsh
when you know a big hit is coming you just fleshcraft, dont even have to do full channel
patent osprey
how annoying thatd be
ember marsh
it would depend on the spec
like ones that already have necro as a decent pick or are already necro would be nuts
patent osprey
Mage come CLOSER ROGUE GTFO
ember marsh
in a raid environment is busted when you can have like half of the raid or more using necro
you can switch to 4 heal instead of 5 heal depdning on the fight
assuming good players of course
ember marsh
could you imagine that fleshcraft and then progging sludgefist with it? and having like half the raid with it?
patent osprey
good thing im a dps warrior main ๐
ember marsh
you could've dropped from 5 healer to 4 healer
chilly brook
A lot of these guilds assumptions went our the window for CN
patent osprey
never have to go simpbanner
blazing condor
im pretty sure i asked this before but generally for CN is ITF+AM better dps than Ravager/Bolster right
chilly brook
im pretty sure i asked this before but generally for CN is ITF+AM better dps tha...
Yes
ember marsh
wouldnt go ravager on any fight in CN except maybe like generals for the cleave
but even then
chilly brook
Uhhh
ember marsh
its a yikes
chilly brook
Yea I know lol
ember marsh
could be funny to boost ur parse on huntsman too
fringe folio
OK, not a very advanced question or anything, but is it normal that some MM hunters rip threat of me while I am going through leveling dungeons? Could be me I guess
ember marsh
mm hunters should be using misdirect if theyre going to use their burst window
chilly brook
Back to the necro thing, it's super conditional and assuming things about next tier is kinda worthless because we don't know what next tier will be like
ember marsh
well of course not but theres defintiely going to be many situations where you have a predictable big raid aoe hit
most bosses have stuff like that
stark sage
Back to the necro thing, it's super conditional and assuming things about next t...
just like everyone said venthyr ability was god tier, using pre nerf KJ as an example where it would be required for raiding
its not broken until it is
chilly brook
Sure but most bosses also benefit from faster kills and less defensives in order to push it
ember marsh
even if you channel for 1 sec its still a 20% shield and that 30% dr
well it depends of course
on the specs
chilly brook
just like everyone said venthyr ability was god tier, using pre nerf KJ as an ex...
Basically yes
ember marsh
like for example, assuming destro rises and afflic falls with current nerf to mr
necro is pretty good for destro
and gives them an execute
necro for shamans
chilly brook
If its gonna be dummy good we'll know when its released and then it's a super simple process of changing
fringe folio
mm hunters should be using misdirect if theyre going to use their burst window
Ok thanks
ember marsh
rogue can pretty much run anything they're all similar to eachother
stark sage
if its too good they'll tune it down ,that's what the ptr is for
they needed to buff it so it was more comparable to the others, like phial
ember marsh
necro might be good on vdh? we'd have to see it in play
ember marsh
well they changed it
chilly brook
Their ability is ass for DH
ember marsh
they reworked it on ptr
it seems clunky but
if its not too shabby it could be usable for the dr
in prog
midnight stone
Its the first week of PTR, right? I'd wait a little longer before suggesting how strong something is - it was nerfed within an hour of being live, so odds are it'll get changed again
ember marsh
fleshcraft i mean
of course not
i was saying even if it was dropped to 30% hp shield and 20% dr instead of 40/20 it'd still be really solid
oh yeah dks also like necro
midnight stone
It'll be solid for sure, which is just good for us overall, more options are great
ember marsh
so if u had a raid with 3 dks, prot warrior, 2 destro, 4 shamans (resto and dps included)
thats pretty big
throwing random numbers of course
tahts half the raid with fleshcraft
something like blood price in denathrius that can save a raid cd alone
or sludge hitting pillar
stark sage
isnt that kind of the intent for signatures tho, to feel useful
ember marsh
soaking eruptions in generals
well yeah but im saying that its pretty impactful
max went on like a 20 min tangent about it
stark sage
like phial is gross for a lot of fights
the mobility of the other 2 can be make or break
ember marsh
that even if it was nerfed before going live it would be nuts
and u could design a raid comp around it
stark sage
i mean max is a sensationalist ofc he's going to react to the initial version of it. i dont think it will be mandatory to stack necro unless it goes live super overtuned
ember marsh
not mandatory
but it would help
just like having 2 discs on sludge isnt mandatory but it helps
stark sage
if it is strong enough to help but not be mandatory, that feels like intended design to me
ember marsh
agreed
and whats coola bout it is that classes that already had a few good covenants
would start opening up diversity for people going necro for that dr
also it just seems way more QoL for stuff like m+
i wonder how that corpse consuming thing would work for plaguefall with the necrolord buff
if u just run over the corpse and it gives you the buff instead of having to channel fleshcraft on it
stark sage
i dont want people to play necro just for the DR
i want the DR to feel rewarding to use during combat, they just have to strike a balance as always
ember marsh
would be really nice
well it would be rewarding to use
optimizing the channel to get usage out of it for the initial hit to go back to healing/tanking/dps, or if u cant hit then u full channel and have a fat shield
paper valve
Can you no longer feign death /Ice block to dodge it?
chilly brook
You could also warlock gateway it
paper valve
But can u still ib it?
chilly brook
i dont want people to play necro just for the DR
i want the DR to feel rewarding...
I feel the same in regards to not wanting to be necrolord just so I can make others better
stark sage
that feeling is really dependent on how good the actual ability is
400 mastery for 2 allies seems hard to pass up especially if you are a tank
but then again you are almost always buffing your cotank
since its closest allies
chilly brook
Yea
chilly brook
Although I'm a fury boy for raid now so it doesn't even matter
amber herald
Hope it's broken af
chilly brook
I dont
amber herald
be funny if the meta completely inverts and we're the only tank people want
chilly brook
Why would you want everyone to be forced into it lol
amber herald
because there's literally 5 of us
chilly brook
Rn you could play 3/4 covenants and be fine as prot
If necro is broke
You only get 1 option
This is why player power tied to buffing others is bad
jagged pier
amber herald
it would be bad and I would enjoy it
strong forum
It's bound to be broken if you can play around it
If you care enough about your raids performance
Cuz we don't really lose defensive benefits, whereas healers like Paladin and priest lose defensive benefits for the raid if they were to play nightfae
For example
amber herald
seems like a big issue for Hpalas though, wouldn't it make us a terrible comp
amber herald
yeah then they can get deadly thrusted in HOA
maybe this is a good thing, fire mages and boomies can experience the SL melee pain
strong forum
I'm talking raid
amber herald
I'm raid tank noob
jagged pier
banners 2 mins fleshcraft is base 2 mins and can get lower
chilly brook
I have this weird dislike of playing something purely for the benefit of others
strong forum
Yeah...
chilly brook
Like if the only reason you ask me to play BrM is for the raid to have the 5% dam
Fuck that
cinder nova
Oryphrion's Charged Stomp is no longer affected by SR.
Wonder what else they've hamstrung.
chilly brook
F
cinder nova
Yep.
cinder nova
Probably can't SR scythe now in TOP
strong forum
I fucking cba this company
chilly brook
Inb4 they removed reflect from last boss of ToP
cinder nova
I'm gonna go test for you lads
chilly brook
Considered one of the worst tanks by the community and keep removing things that we can say "at least we can do this"
cinder nova
:^)
Next thing you know we can't SR Blood Price
God forbid our DPS brothers use the button for anything other than DR
plush tendon
There is a interesting Torggie power they added to banner where it pulses damage while you have it up. Maybe they tone down the stat gain and instead add a damage competent
amber herald
it reflecting the physical component of scythe is a straight up bug though
chilly brook
Wat
amber herald
hopefully it won't be the entire thing
chilly brook
Scythe is 1 part physical 1 part magical
chilly brook
Then why do I still take some damage on scythe?
brazen path
The Necro Banner change is nice, but I think it might finally push me towards Kyrian. I originally went necro for Banner as it was like a personal Rallying Cry
cinder nova
SR doesn't stop the debuff or the damage.
amber herald
check the pins my brudda
cinder nova
Anything else I can test besides TOP?
amber herald
hakkar mebbe
chilly brook
Birds
cinder nova
Any other big dungeon SRs that could've gotten hit
amber herald
shadowclaw on the ghouls ni SD
cinder nova
Hakkar Pierce, right?
chilly brook
Birds in SoA
chilly brook
Aight
amber herald
you can reflect the PF ones too?
cinder nova
Yeah you can SR their claw attack
It's a godsend
Well
You could
I'll keep you updated lol
What ghouls exist in SD, though? ๐ค
amber herald
all those prot warriors cheesing their way through high keys sure needed nerfing 
the ones on the circle you grab out of the cage
chilly brook
Slime injection on ickus as well would be good to test
tardy parcel
^^
lofty widget
if youre gonna do PF test out refelct on the first boss too
plush tendon
you can spell reflect slim injection
lofty widget
would hate to see that og
jagged pier
u can at least deflect injection
plush tendon
you wont get the debuff, and it does good damage
cinder nova
That may have changed.
jagged pier
i mean i dont look at damage break down i just know that you dont get the deebuff
lofty widget
slime injection doesnt do dmg to the boss
chilly brook
Not be reflectable
Not like this
chilly brook
slime injection doesnt do dmg to the boss
Yea but it deflects and prevents the debuff
lofty widget
yeh
chilly brook
Remember when expose desires was reflectable
At least you can get rid of the debuff from the big add
sharp sun
I so need to learn what I can and canโt reflect... is there a definitive list prior to these changes people are testing?
lofty widget
theres a list in the pins
chilly brook
It's in the pins what you can reflect rn
sharp sun
Ah glorious, to the pins!
atomic flicker
Does anyone else feel like as prot warrior i take way more dmg than other tanks
or am i just bad
sharp sun
Sounds about right in my head currently ๐ I am also bad
buoyant dove
I usually feel like I take a bit less damage, but heal way less than other tanks
plush tendon
I feel the exact opposite, at least when I have SB and CDs going
The issue I have with prot warrior right now is uptime on my defensive CDs
sharp sun
I probably need to try another tank to get a reality check really as only played warrior
plush tendon
Play a BDK
only then you will understand the true meaning of giving your healer a heart attack
sharp sun
๐ will he heal... wonโt he heal... ah bugger heโs dead
plush tendon
More like, at 100% health, drop to 20%, pop huge tank defensive to save him, but then realize hes back at 100%
plush tendon
and then 5 seconds later he calls for a external, but you already used it cause you thought he was dead, but really it was all part of his plan
sharp sun
๐๐
I think if I played anything else it would either be dudu or BrM
Good ol damage sponge floofboi
plush tendon
I play BDK and War, though I only picked up War season 2 of BFA cause it was broken
cinder nova
Scythe is still reflectable.
plush tendon
little did I know, once you go war you dont go back
sharp sun
๐ I went warr as wanted a sword and shield style tanking and warrior is more of a true tank than paladin with magical frilly bits
Itโs definitely fun
And I top the odd M+ trash pack ๐
grand drum
Bdk is fun now cause death strike actually heals
chilly brook
Does anyone else feel like as prot warrior i take way more dmg than other tanks
Just you
I feel the most control really as warrior or DH
spice yacht
what does the prot team think of the banner changes coming to PTR?
plush tendon
For us that like TMOG, super hype with the prospect of Necro being decent
dawn geode
cool but not cool enuf
plush tendon
For the non banner bitches, its dumb
sharp sun
My main struggle with warrior currently is as I go up the keys (starting to do 8s / think about 10s) not sure where you draw the line and start kiting / never seem to get far away like a DH and so get hammered sometimes unless group has a slow
cinder nova
Leap?
grand drum
I dont have to kite on my dk yet on 16s
sharp sun
Or am I just meant to keep@running back at that point
cinder nova
Keep moving.
sharp sun
Duly noted
chilly brook
My main struggle with warrior currently is as I go up the keys (starting to do 8...
What's your ilvl?
cinder nova
You could even start preemptively hamstringing mobs.
plush tendon
I dont have to kite on my dk yet on 16s
LOL, DK kiting. Thats a good joke
cinder nova
So they go at 50%
sharp sun
201 so I should probably be able to do them.. ๐
chilly brook
Yea
dawn geode
Intervene leap is fine
dawn geode
but at 8s u shouldnt need to
chilly brook
Outside of a few specific mobs
solemn magnet
10s are honestly easier than 8s and 9s
sharp sun
The early trash in DoS shat on me yesterday for example
spice yacht
I dont have issues sub 10 on my warrior
grand drum
Outside of halls gargons, no need to kite much
spice yacht
there are a few mobs that need to be kited but for the most just SB the big hits
sharp sun
I think I just still have a bit of learning to do, first season of tanking ever
spice yacht
yea warrior is all about managing SB
solemn magnet
There are a few DoS platform pulls that fuck me up everytime. It's a CD, interrupting thing most likely.
spice yacht
yea got to have scribe interupted
sharp sun
I probably dump too much rage into IP and not enough uptime of SB
spice yacht
and sooth the big skele guys
amber herald
don't interuppt scribe interrupt shadowcore on the big guy
cinder nova
I think a lot of people overthink prot rotation.
cinder nova
Like - SS on cooldown, TC, Venge
spice yacht
it is shadowcore
cinder nova
It's pretty goof-level easy
sharp sun
I canโt not read SS as shadow step ๐