protection

[chilly brook]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[modern brook]

The renown grinds not that big a deal tbh

[chilly brook]

And I went Venthyr on like Saturday or something and didnt even start trying to get renown until Sunday

[modern brook]

Just a lot of world content

[sweet summit]

All i did

Was callings

Weekly keys

And campaign

[wet compass]

yeah it depends how fast you want it up

[sweet summit]

Got 30 in a week

[modern brook]

U even get renown form heroics

[chilly brook]

Two days later going from 1 to 21 isn't bad

And I didnt even hit it that hard

[modern brook]

So you can get double renown doing the challenging foes/help zone in a heroic while tanking for free augment runes

Actually free af

[chilly brook]

I need to try and pug a sire kill tomorrow

[wet compass]

it's more about how much time it takes overall it isn't hard it's just time

[chilly brook]

So I can get a 220 weapon

[modern brook]

Yeah it doesnt take that much tike

[chilly brook]

Jk it wont ever drop

[jagged pier]

still not got a 220 wep from weeks of killing him in arms

[wet compass]

Just get 1800?

not like that's hard in rbgs

[chilly brook]

I'm pvp impaired

Youd be surprised

[wet compass]

I said rbgs I didn't say pvp

[modern brook]

This guy cba to do things because of time and just said to grind to 1800 in pvp

Smh

[chilly brook]

Rbgs are pvp tho

[wet compass]

I didn't say I didn't do it? I just said it's an annoying time sink

[chilly brook]

Plus rbgs with 4 boomies on the other team is actually cancer

I'd rather just push to 1800 in 2s as arms

[wet compass]

Which is why you make your own team with 4 boomkins

[sweet summit]

1800 in rbgs is pve

[chilly brook]

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

Just condemn

[wet compass]

Pretty much just get the right comp and you don't even have to target call shit just dies

[chilly brook]

[wet compass]

especially if you get your guild to do it with you then you have mythic geared people rolling pugs

Really it's probably worth it for every guild especially once next tier starts to do one rbg night a week 2100 isn't hard and gets you literally every slot mythic if you sit on the rating

[chilly brook]

Pvp gearing is big dumb

[unique shale]

venthyr question for prot war should i get [Ashen Juggernaut] or [Harrowing Punishment] to min/mix my condemn for this week ?

[wet compass]

imagine not pvp gearing as prot when basically every piece can be haste vers

[unique shale]

imagine getting one shot by rouge as prot tank in RBG

[jagged pier]

well prots suck in rbgs

should be arms tbh

[fallow mortar]

Ashen Jugg sims higher for me

[unique shale]

ok thx

gtg condemn bosses hard this week

[wet compass]

why the fuck are you playing prot?

in rbgs

play arms and just sharpen the kill target then laugh

[unique shale]

cause you said that in prot chat lol

[wet compass]

And?

[patent osprey]

New Seismic build im trying on stream ^.^ did 4.8k overall as venthyr in SD 15

big dam

[chilly brook]

Seismic is great damage

[unique shale]

NANI

[chilly brook]

It's just willingly sacrificing tankyness for damage

[jagged pier]

its even better with damage buffs

[patent osprey]

The combination of talents + legendary + build is insane 😄

[jagged pier]

from venthyr

[chilly brook]

BSC+seismic right?

Was a lot of fun in beta

[unique shale]

BSC ?

[chilly brook]

Best Served Cold

Revenge talent

[chilly brook]

Did you slot Show of Force for the full send meme?

[patent osprey]

yup

[chilly brook]

📈

[unique shale]

spicy gtg try that out on my friends keys XD

[wet compass]

pft gotta do it on your own key your gotta risk it all

[unique shale]

SO ?

[twilit siren]

haste is uncapped, what about mastery,vers,crit?

[mighty valley]

they all have diminishing returns but don't worry about it

[chilly brook]

The other secondaries might have a point where it could be less worth

But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it

[sweet surge]

where ma Scale at VAULT

[twilit siren]

i have crit:15.5, haste 21 mastery 23.8 vers 14 with 218 ilvl. i;m okay with my stats?

[jagged pier]

you rly dont need to care about stats

[twilit siren]

just ilvl?

[jagged pier]

pretty much

[sweet summit]

I want that badge 😩

[chilly brook]

Shoulders would be a good pick

[chilly brook]

I 10000% would have taken shoulders tbh

[sweet surge]

@chilly brook

[chilly brook]

On the offchance that they ever fix signet and also because would be really nice for pvp or if you ever wanna fuck around as dps

Well nevermind

Gloves?

Is that a slot TGV can go on?

[sweet summit]

Ye

[sweet surge]

yap

[chilly brook]

I went boots

[sweet summit]

No haste vers gloves from pvp iirc

[sweet surge]

precisely

[sweet summit]

Think thats why?

God im so smart

[sweet surge]

was just about to type that I don'teven remember why I crafted gloves

[chilly brook]

You're stacked af tho

[sweet summit]

LOL

[sweet surge]

been at that ilvl for ages now

PvP is borke good

[chilly brook]

I guess I'll actually have to commit to doing pvp lmao

Should be easier now that I'm venthyr

Instead of NF

[unique shale]

💪

[sweet surge]

Arms is FOTM atm

for arena

ez puntos

[chilly brook]

Ye

Was watching some 2900 arms guy

[twilit siren]

Arms or fury for pvp?

[chilly brook]

Arms

[sweet surge]

Fury is dog

[twilit siren]

😛

[chilly brook]

Fury is a meme

[sweet surge]

hasn't been good since S1 BFA

[chilly brook]

Cant remember the last time it was good in pvp outside of WoD when they could 2 shot people

[sweet surge]

S1 BFA was litty

[chilly brook]

OG siegebreaker was brutal

Youd get slapped pretty hard

[sweet surge]

i got to 2.9k in s1 bfa iirc as fury

was pumper spec

unslowable KEKW

in 2s i mean

[chilly brook]

I need this man to teach me how not to be a waste of space in pvp

[sweet surge]

just gotta play, nothing else much to it

been doing arena since TBC S1

fundamentally nothing has changed since

[chilly brook]

I didn't even arena until WoD

And then haven't since WoD

[sweet surge]

jesus, I'm seriously thinking about picking 750 Stygia kill me

[chilly brook]

@sweet surge unhinged is the way to go for pvp Lego yea?

[sweet surge]

its a safe bet ya

can also play sephuz

exploiter if venthyr

exploiter is actually real good for 2s and prolly 3s as well as venthyr

Exploiter + 2xOP + Sharpen during Avatar/WB/trinket/racial would explode people if it crits ;D

[vestal cypress]

He guys quick trinket questions since I don’t find a ranking list. Should I drop a 197 anima field emitter or 200 darkmoon for my 220 blood spattered scale?

[sweet surge]

😦

220 scale

[jagged pier]

itherr tbh

[sweet surge]

I'd drop Darkmoon

[vestal cypress]

Ty 🙂

[blazing condor]

Give scale

[sweet surge]

i can't even get a 210 scale to drop and DoS is my most ran dungeroni

[chilly brook]

I might actually craft exploiter

[sweet summit]

Unhinged

[velvet field]

How important is the ilvl of the weapon for Prot? Is it mostly just a stat stick or are there some good DPS / Threat gains from getting a high WDPS?

[chilly brook]

Pretty important

It's not just a damage buff but also a survival buff

And it's a big damage buff at that tbh

[velvet field]

Awesome, cheers! 🙂

[lofty widget]

any thoughts? im so clueless

[patent osprey]

Halls Seismic. a little worse damage cause I have to kite due to bleeds

[valid finch]

wall for shldrs, TL for feet?

[patent osprey]

Halls 15

[blazing condor]

Big

Bacon needs to get his arrows in order

[sweet surge]

@lofty widget belt it looks to me ishaste versa ya?

[orchid frigate]

how did you do that @patent osprey ? 😮

[ionic fern]

Seismic Reverberations , the legendary that casts Revenge x2

[orchid frigate]

ah

[sweet surge]

Anger Management + Best Served cold+ Seismic leggo prolly?

[orchid frigate]

i cant read

[blazing condor]

bargast leash any good? :L

nvm i aint gonna pick it anyway

[jagged pier]

belt imo

[ionic fern]

Oooh, what are these NEcro buffs.

[orchid frigate]

would be nice to switch to necro

[valid finch]

if ive understanding correctly AM needs to be selected if using The Wall leggo correct?

[ionic fern]

No.

[sweet surge]

Not necessarily

Bolster too good

[ionic fern]

You CAN select it if the content you are doing allows for it but in general Bolster is the better option.
In raids etc AM sees play but in m+ you should almost always use Bolster.

[sweet surge]

and ain't that just freaking sad

move AM to tier one talent ❤️

[blazing condor]

i like what they did with the talents but at the same time i hate it

[sweet surge]

they nerfed them to the ground is what they did

[blazing condor]

yup

[sweet surge]

[blazing condor]

i like it in the sense that you actually have to choose between talents now

[sweet summit]

Are we the bfa bdk of sl 😔

[blazing condor]

only thing you really chose between in bfa was on row 2 or 3

but bdk was like bis in m+ in 8.0 🙂

[sweet summit]

Thats not what i ment

[valid finch]

thanks for the info & help

[valid zodiac]

Still no shield from vault -.-

[ionic fern]

Same, i got pants. 😦

[orchid frigate]

hehe i keep getting necks and belts

[valid zodiac]

I'm 216 with 4 200 ilvl pieces. I guess that valor patch can't come soon enough

[sweet summit]

Its only 220 gear tho no?

[valid zodiac]

Yea but at this rate they're gonna be an upgrade for me

[ebon hound]

ilvl 223 with 210 shield if artificer doesnt drop anime nugget this week it's over

[sweet summit]

Anime nugget

[valid zodiac]

And also so far on PTR 0 changes to Prot warrior -.-

[restive flax]

[nimble drift]

how the fuck you do that much damage

what are your trinkets

[patent osprey]

Seismic legendary + Talents BSC + AM + Ravager + overwhelming power crystal trinket + 1 survivability trinket

[jagged pier]

for us mythic raiders Erga doesnt mean much tbh mabye earlier on in a tier it would tho

[nimble drift]

wtf is seismic

[ebon hound]

it's in your 'Powers' tab

[patent osprey]

if revenge hits 3 targets, casts another revenge at 40% dam

[nimble drift]

should i run that 0_0

[ebon hound]

up to you

[wet compass]

All I want is for them to make it so that if you have a fully leveled leggo making more costs half as much soul ash or even 1/4th I want to play around with fun shit but I'm so behind from rerolling on ash

[patent osprey]

I think this build is fine in low keys at like 15 16 17

[jagged pier]

its up to you but u run it in dungeons were you wont be introuble tbh @nimble drift

[patent osprey]

but I have to test how I can add on a little more survival

[nimble drift]

hm so like only run it on push weeks

[jagged pier]

thats high for some people

[patent osprey]

to try it on a 20

[nimble drift]

Plka whats your ilvl

[patent osprey]

225

[wet compass]

so does anyone know if the M+ unlocks will be account wide or per character because I usually only bother doing a ton of M+ on one character

[jagged pier]

m+ unlocks?

[ebon hound]

9.0.5 Valor Points

[jagged pier]

i would presume one character

[ebon hound]

assuming it will work same as pvp rating unlocks, but idk how that works

[jagged pier]

but dont know until testing is over

[nimble drift]

I actually wanna try that legendary

if I can do a lot more dmg

that'd be pog

[jagged pier]

i mean KSM is only 1 char

[wet compass]

I want to try so many leggos but have no ash 😦

[jagged pier]

its only gunna do that damage if your comfortable and pull big tbh

[sweet summit]

Ksm is account wide

[jagged pier]

once u have it yes

[sweet summit]

Unless they changed it with 9.0.5

[jagged pier]

u cant do 4 dungeons on one char and 4 on another

[wet compass]

More wondering about the unlock process since it seems to be achievement based if it will once you have it unlocked you get it account wide or if it's per character like pvp

[jagged pier]

again we wont know till its tested

[restive flax]

just in theory... if I were to change back to Necrolord after Banner has been redesigned.... Would I go Bonesmith or Emeni?

[jagged pier]

400 mastery on a 3 min cd, where my boy pelgos gives 350 all the time 🤔

[restive flax]

2 min

and I know :/

but I hate the kyrian. I just want a reason to switch back to my bonebois

[jagged pier]

you can play any cov you want right now

🤷

[restive flax]

Yeah true, but you really loose tools atm if you switch to necrolords

[true wind]

i dunno about it. Nadja and Draven are such nice soulbinds and i like how brutal Condemn looks. So i guess i stay venth. ^^
but it's great they buff the bonebois

[restive flax]

do I have to be the one doing the killing blow?

[visual drift]

I use the 207 pvp shield. So it would give more stats. But i have no vers on my legs

[jagged pier]

its a 207 - 220 shield

u take the shield

[zenith monolith]

hmmm, do I go for this, 13 ilvl upgrade:

or

6 ilvl same item with socket

[jagged pier]

13 ilvl

[zenith monolith]

yeah thought so

[nimble drift]

i'd go socket

[lavish oracle]

@jagged pier pretty sure anyone going Necro isn't really doing it for the 400 mastery on themselves

[nimble drift]

great stats and a socket

[jagged pier]

he already ahs the item and can put a socket on it if he wants to

[restive flax]

I mean it gives 400 to you AND 2 allies no?

[lavish oracle]

Yeah

[jagged pier]

tru

[true wind]

i mean, you can take the +13 itemlevel Item and put a socket on it through venari, so ....

answer is = "why not both"?

[lavish oracle]

If people use it, it's gonna be to let 2 boomies pump on every convoke

[jagged pier]

that would reqwuire them to be in melee

on the banner

[lavish oracle]

Ye

[jagged pier]

which means they will thrash

and heal

[restive flax]

Is it still placed on the ground?!

[jagged pier]

theres a reason they stand max range

[lavish oracle]

Or the warrior to run out

[jagged pier]

and then u loose the buff?

what a waste of a convenant

[lavish oracle]

For 800 mastery on 2 boomies

Yes

[jagged pier]

400

it doesnt stack

[lavish oracle]

On 2 targets

[jagged pier]

its still 400 mastery on 2 bommies

not 800

[restive flax]

Jakey are you sure its planted in the ground?

[jagged pier]

yes

[restive flax]

it doesnt say that in the description

[jagged pier]

its range is 15 at least

so u have to be out of range to hit the bommies

as they have to stand max range

[lavish oracle]

800 total stats vs the 400 you would have using it for your own benefit is my point

[visual drift]

But 13ilv on shield vs 16ilv on legs. plus legs have vers

[jagged pier]

shield

100%

[lavish oracle]

On a prot warrior so like, who even cares if they lose some uptime

[jagged pier]

its the most important piece

[strong forum]

Shield 100%

[unique shale]

which one should i get more i have haste trinket plus nadjia

[jagged pier]

so your gunna change then and buff your bommies??

i dont want to do that doesnt sound fun to me

but if u want to do it

go ahead

[lavish oracle]

It's not fun but it's probably strong

I'm not gonna play it, lol

[jagged pier]

well why would you argue somthing that isnt fun?

[visual drift]

but why shield? I want to understand it. So i have not ask in the future any more (hopefully)

[lavish oracle]

I don't understand the question

[true wind]

Shield is the only item with Blockrating, which is very important.

[unique shale]

shield = more block

[lavish oracle]

What I said was, if you're using Necro, you're not using it to primarily buff yourself

[wet compass]

no reason to go necro yet just wait and see what happens

[true wind]

or ... Blockvalue. Not Block chance but the amount of Blocked Damage is increased

[jagged pier]

its the only piece with block on it, which our whole spec revolves around

[wet compass]

once it's actually live you can go necro if it stays as is but I'm guessing numbers will be tweaked

[visual drift]

Okay make sense. havn't thought about the block

Thank you guys

[lavish oracle]

I'm not going Necro either way, haha

[wet compass]

Look I want my pure silver Kyrian armor so I'm really hoping I don't end up going necro after getting that or I'm going to be annoyed

[unique shale]

lol

[lavish oracle]

But at the current tuning, it's probably worth it for the WF guilds

[restive flax]

I'll go back to Necro when the changes go live 🙂

[wet compass]

yeah for sure for wf level guilds

if it stays as is

[lavish oracle]

Unless they like nuke boomy

[restive flax]

nah, I just hate the kyrian with a burning passion.

fkin blue smurf angels

[wet compass]

They will probably put them on unholy dks tbh

at least on pull

[unique shale]

lol

i hate kyrain too

[wet compass]

unholy dk with pi and 400 mastery buff on pull dear god the burst

[unique shale]

venthyr is only way XD

[wet compass]

also the trinket thingy

[restive flax]

I guess so, but I went into this expansion to goof around and do what I enjoy. And I got baited by power

As much as Necrolords suck for Warrior, I'll have more fun playing them than anything else

[lavish oracle]

CA + banner also pretty big

[frail wyvern]

Playing for fun? Whats wrong with you!

[restive flax]

CA?

[lavish oracle]

Celestial alignment

[wet compass]

seriously tanks aren't allowed to play for fun you weirdo 😛

[lavish oracle]

Druid cooldown

[restive flax]

I'm sorry, but I just love the flavour of the necro bois

[wet compass]

also if I would have fun doing anything atm it would be playing venth them big condemn smashes look really fun

[restive flax]

You just run around with a banner on your back 100% of the time

you look baller af

[wet compass]

kyrian looks plus condemn special and kyrian pot would be pretty sick

[frail wyvern]

I'm loving venthyr prot, fuck the phial 😂

[restive flax]

kyrian looks? are you high?

[wet compass]

but wait that would mean picking cov for rp and then having a final talent row

[lavish oracle]

If I were picking solely for aesthetics I'd probably be NF or venthyr

[restive flax]

the shields on kyrian are so tiny

[lavish oracle]

I like their big pauldrons, it's very WoW

[unique shale]

no they are not

[restive flax]

what do you mean?

[unique shale]

they are not small for human war tho :b

[restive flax]

the kyrian shields?

[unique shale]

no venthyr

[restive flax]

I mean I said kyrian shields 😄

[unique shale]

oh

[restive flax]

die Venthyr shields are cool af

[wet compass]

are you? gimme

[lavish oracle]

I just want a big sinstone on my back

[sweet summit]

Venthyr mog>kyrian mog

Fight me

[restive flax]

rofl noone will fight you over that 😄

[unique shale]

big boys using this kind of shields 💪

[wet compass]

actually wait wrong one

[frail wyvern]

Is that a paladin mog?

[wet compass]

Human female weapon and shield size ftw

second biggest in game behind tauren male

[jagged pier]

what resolution do u play at the fuk?? 👀

[restive flax]

just compare this....

[lavish oracle]

I actually like the Kyrian armor better but only because the Venthry armor is a little too over the top

[restive flax]

and this

[unique shale]

1600 900

[restive flax]

the fkin kyrian shield half of the necro one

if even that

[jagged pier]

ewwww

[lavish oracle]

It's still pretty big

[wet compass]

fine do it this way

[unique shale]

ew yourself

[wet compass]

shield big enough now?

[restive flax]

can you turn her

[lavish oracle]

The Necro shield just looks impractical

[restive flax]

rofl, every single armor in WoW is impractical

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, but it's not impractical in a fun way like a door you ripped off it's hinges

It's impractical in a boring way

[strong forum]

Angel living in 2006

God damn

[unique shale]

door shield from motherlorde lol

[restive flax]

^

also, its fine to not like the shield. Its simply a lot cooler than the kyrian one

[lavish oracle]

Wasn't door from TD?

[lavish oracle]

Or did they both have doors?

[wet compass]

uldir shield

[restive flax]

tbh that doesnt look too bad

works much better on a human than it does on a HM Tauren

[wet compass]

I actually like the smaller uldir one better tbh

well yeah because everything in this game is sized for human first

[native coyote]

you guys are talking like there is an alternative to bulwark 😉

[wet compass]

blood elf second and the rest can go fuck themselves

[lavish oracle]

Lol nah

Everything was tiiiiny on belf until last xpac

They mostly fixed it

[wet compass]

just weapons the armor actually fits right

Also there is an alternative to bulwark but I don't know if I can't get it to work in wow head dressing room

big enough?

[native coyote]

but bulwark has spikes which makes shield slam 100% more satisfying 😄

[wet compass]

spikes

look bulwark just doesn't look right color wise 😦

[nimble drift]

how come i've never heard of using this revenge legendary

[strong forum]

Cuz it's a survival loss

And not a huge dmg gain

[nimble drift]

I mean

[undone sun]

Spike shield goes best with T1 set

[nimble drift]

what is your dps without it usually

I sit around 3.2-3.6k

[jagged pier]

3.9k-4.1k

have seen higher without

but not realiably

[strong forum]

^ same

[jagged pier]

and the revenge leggo is fun

but plka is a very good player

and hes running a very very dps heavy build

like take AM over bolster

and taking BSC

[strong forum]

Maxipad

[jagged pier]

15s for him are like 10s for other ppl

but you have to be very comfortable to run the build and leggo he was using

[orchid frigate]

wonder how much resources blizzard will pour into making covenants balanced instead of just do as many have suggested and pulled the rip cord

[lavish oracle]

I mean if I were running meme keys, I'd probably also spec dps

[nimble drift]

I mean, idk I'd have to see him play

to see how he does that much damage

[wet compass]

way too much frender way too much

[nimble drift]

without dying

[orchid frigate]

mhm

[wet compass]

he streams so go watch his most recent vid easy

[jagged pier]

he was streaming all of that earlier

so should be easy to find

[ionic fern]

We have talked about this Revenge legendary multiple times stating that it deals a ton of damage but sacrifices your survivability for it. 👀

[orchid frigate]

better to burn out than fade away!

or something

heh

[lavish oracle]

At the moment, I'd probably run it as my 2nd leggo

[jagged pier]

in keys for sure

[lavish oracle]

Mhm

[jagged pier]

with the wall gives the amount u need to revenge

[nimble drift]

ah

[jagged pier]

[nimble drift]

oh what hes venthyr?

[jagged pier]

hes a dps main yes

hes swapping next week tho

[lavish oracle]

Kinda hoping they give us a better option before 2nd leggo is equippable, though

[orchid frigate]

^

[wet compass]

we have the demo shout one for maximum defense

[lavish oracle]

Eh, pure defense seems unnecessary on warrior

Our defensive toolkit is already so strong

[wet compass]

look I want to be a mobile fortress not a mobile armored car with guns

[jagged pier]

i mean would be a pretty big dps increase running TL and something else

[wet compass]

let me have my dream 😛

[jagged pier]

as more BV uptime

[lavish oracle]

I just want leggos that synnergize in some way

[jagged pier]

match that with the extra rage form the wall or the extra revenges

[wet compass]

how big is the rage loss though from not running wall as second

[lavish oracle]

Like can you imagine being a bear with 2 leggos?

[jagged pier]

but u would loose some syngergy with revenge leggo as you awnt to run BSC with it tbh

[orchid frigate]

how certain are we that 9.1 means that we can have another leggo equipped?

[wet compass]

9.2 is my guess

[sweet summit]

We are not

[orchid frigate]

ok

[sweet summit]

Just guessing

[lavish oracle]

Of guess like 9.2 at the earliest

[wet compass]

9.1 we get flight

9.2 we get new legendary slot to keep people subbed

[lavish oracle]

I think we'll probably get new legendary options every tier

[wet compass]

mmm maybe

[lavish oracle]

Maybe 2

[wet compass]

there are already a ton of leggos that have no use case not even niche

[lavish oracle]

For warrior?

[jagged pier]

give me legion gloves please blizz

[lavish oracle]

Which ones?

[jagged pier]

or a leggo with argus 2 set

[lavish oracle]

I guess misshapen mirror isn't very useful after the nerf

Shouldn't really call it a nerf I guess

Never went live

[strong forum]

"revenge reduces last stand cooldown by 3 seconds"

[sweet summit]

🥺

[lavish oracle]

That'd just be busted, lol

[wet compass]

I've never seen anyone use ubw I could see it having use in high keys if people were actually bringing prot I guess

the problem with it is it's party only

[lavish oracle]

Ravager + unnerving focus and I'll have last stand back up before block can fall off 😄

[strong forum]

Cuz ubw is trash

4min CD

[wet compass]

yup but that's one of the big ones I see basically no current use case for

Probably Reprisal as well although I could maybe think of a niche for that if I really tried idk

[strong forum]

Wasn't reprisal revenge IP weave?

[wet compass]

kind of but much worse

[lavish oracle]

I could see UBW having a use case as a 2nd leggo

[unique shale]

any help with that ?

[lavish oracle]

Combo' d with the Wall

[wet compass]

first attack intercepted with int gives ignore pain and 200% free rev

[strong forum]

Ilvl > haste > vers

[wet compass]

problem with ubw is the same as with all others of that type party only not raid

[lavish oracle]

Oh yeah, reprisal is bad

Forgot that one existed

[next burrow]

sorry may i know if u guys are running "the wall" or " thunderlord" for ur m+ 10 pushes? I am only clearing 10+ timed and have been having more sucess with " thunderlord"

[jagged pier]

i got KSM with the wall but, your leggo wont make your break you in keys much more down to group and play etc

the choice between the 2 is preference

if u prefer the wall run it

if u like TL better take that

[next burrow]

I see thank you @jagged pier

[dull zodiac]

we stay pelagos at 31 renown?

[jagged pier]

always pelagos

[next burrow]

Also do you really piorotize haste over vers? I have been stacking vers cause i feel like i take too much dmg esp ifs magical... visually even on tooltops i cant really see why haste is better,

[jagged pier]

u prio ilvl over all

ilvl >>>>> haste >> vers >=crit > mastery

[next burrow]

even for rings?

[jagged pier]

well not on rings and neck

u want to prio haste

but if a ring or neck is like 10 ilvls higher

its an upgrade

[next burrow]

so both rings haste if their 5 ilvls apart is good?

[jagged pier]

yer thats fine

[next burrow]

it really makes gcd shorter?

[jagged pier]

makes sb cd less yer

but for instance i had a 213 haste ring and got a 226 mastery vers ring

thats an upgrade

cause more stats = better

[next burrow]

i cant wrap my head around a flat 1-2% damage taken reduction in vers being worse then haste though... ive been trying to wrap my head around it since wotlk lol...

in bfa i felt haste was really good

[jagged pier]

look stats dont mean a whole lot anymore

haste is reduced CDR and more rage gen

which means more defensives etc

[next burrow]

ooo

[jagged pier]

vers isnt bad but with all the changes to stats in SLs it really makes main stat by far the best stat

so if a piece of armour is 5 ilvls higher

its an upgrad eno matter when stats are on it

[next burrow]

ok 1 more last thing sorry

[jagged pier]

shoot

[median tulip]

Mostly true. Only Jewellery and Gem Slots can throw off the count

[next burrow]

the blood spattered scale is a must? for pushing m15?

[jagged pier]

no

its a really good trinket

i still havent seen one drop

[next burrow]

same...

[median tulip]

Bloody good trinket tho

[next burrow]

i find my balls being pinched when im waiting for my cds to come up and simply praying during a pull

[ebon hound]

Even though it's more about the burst of survivability you get, it's still always 12%+ of my overall healing

Scale is so good

[next burrow]

the only thing i can think of to relieve the pressure is getting that trinket a a filler

[versed bough]

LF TIP SD TANKING

TIPS*

[jagged pier]

yes its good but hes question was is it a must for doing 15s which it isnt as i dont have it and have KSM

[next burrow]

i have a gluttinous spike 213 that does 11%

ah

[jagged pier]

do u have logs? might help to have someone look ove rhwat your doing

[jagged pier]

in what regard?

[ebon hound]

You can outrange the big gargoyle's bleed with leap / intercept, dont hit a dps with it

[versed bough]

Generally cause the fcking dungeon hits fcking hard

to me ofcourse

damn

I must be the shittiest wartank in this discord

[jagged pier]

before the gauntlet theres that pack with an overseer, and gargolye and somthing else

if u go to the left of the bridge

and taunt the overseer at max range

[next burrow]

ok thanks very much guys and @jagged pier i will look how to log stuff and get back to you if possible! i had to purely pug my KSM in bfa that was a nightmare... not looking forward to it again lol

[jagged pier]

it will only pull the overseer and other mob and leave the gargoyle behind

[median tulip]

Make sure you have a defensive for the tank chunking mechanic on boss 1, weave inside and outside to avoid the balls on the second boss, grab shinies on 3rd

[dull zodiac]

is ravager alwasy better in thorgast then ITF

i guess it is right

[jagged pier]

i pugged it already it was fine

[dull zodiac]

if u pull big enough

[jagged pier]

can take what u want in torghast doesnt matter

[dull zodiac]

o

[median tulip]

The something else is a Mistdancer

[jagged pier]

yer but pulling only the mistcaller and overseer makes the pull so much easier

as they arent tethered to the gargoyle for some reasons

[median tulip]

Oh absolutely. I always pull them with heroic throw and then go back into the boss room too

Oh also you can get a few % from mobs flying past the gauntlet

[next burrow]

ignore pain scales from weapon dmg? or str ?

[median tulip]

Attack power

[strong forum]

Atk power and vers

[median tulip]

Which is why Sharpening Stones increase ignore pain.

[proper flame]

With the Changes to Maldraxxus Banner. Any reason going there?

[strong forum]

Nop

[jagged pier]

you can be a buff bitch

max has said if the changes stay it will be double prot to buff dps

[strong forum]

You can hug your friendly boomy to boost his parse

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Or warlock

[wet compass]

or dk on pull

dk with pi hero necro banner and that dumb trinket they run

also NEW Item - Warrior T21 Protection 2P Bonus While Battle Cry is active, the cooldown of Shield Slam is reduced by 100%.

Can we get this as leggo when we can wear 2 pretty please I want to use the wall with it

[strong forum]

Hug both dk and boomy

[wet compass]

but we have 2 dks

[strong forum]

Hug the floor

[wet compass]

now that I can do

[jagged pier]

we dont have battle cry anymore 😢

[wet compass]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[proper flame]

Warrior

Conqueror's Banner Necrolord reworked

Brandish the Conqueror's Banner, granting 400 Mastery and 30% increased movement speed to you and your 2 nearest allies, and preventing movement speed from being reduced below 100%. Lasts 15 sec.

[wet compass]

I'm hugging the floor real good

[strong forum]

Rbg covenant

[jagged pier]

pelagos gives 50 less mastery more often

[wet compass]

pelagos only gives it to you

you will be a buff bitch and you will tolerate it

[jagged pier]

why do i care about giving stuff to others?

if your looking at it as oh it gives mastery now instead of what ever

it bad

[wet compass]

It's not

It perfectly lines up with pi

[jagged pier]

im not taling about buffing people with it

[wet compass]

double prot war buff bitch incoming for world first

[jagged pier]

please read what i said

[wet compass]

I understand what you said but that's why we are talking about it not for people who are parsing but for high level prog

[jagged pier]

becasue that will effect .01% of players

even less so for prot warriors

[wet compass]

and?

[jagged pier]

u cant talk in terms of WF raiding

thats not what he was asking about above

he was asking if the changes made it worht

[wet compass]

Uh actually prot war probably has the highest percent of players who are doing prog level for tanks

[jagged pier]

eh?

[wet compass]

because no reason to play a prot warrior otherwise

when vdh exists and is easier and better unless you are the bshout bitch

so at the highest level I would say for prot warrior it would have a larger effect because otherwise why in gods name play prot we do low damage in comparison to other tanks and our dps specs are mediocre to bad depending on fight

so the warriors playing at top level are largely in the buff bitch roll currently ie a higher percentage

[proper flame]

But i'm more casual. I want to play 10-15keys with my friends. Do i loose much by going NL? How are the Soulbinds there.

[jagged pier]

im not disagreeing with u but looking at logs only 23 prots have killed suire mythic compared to 232 dhs and 205 monks, the vast proportion of this discord are not doing that content so talking about oh you will buff pepl for prog is just dumb

u talk about how it effects the masses

for the masses

its usless to swap

[strong forum]

For 10-15s it will hardly make a difference what covenant you play @proper flame

Except your own dps will be a bit lower

[wet compass]

If you want to play necro you should be fine to play necro in 10 to 15 keys it really won't make a difference that low

[strong forum]

But it won't stop you from doing it

[wet compass]

also the buffs haven't happened yet so keep that in mind

but if you just want the cool xmog it isn't going to stop you from running keys

[thorny laurel]

What is your opinion on the Built for War soulbind for Prot? I guess 4% strength is nice but im not sure how often I drop below 50% health when doing 15+ keys. Would the gain 10% crit when interrupting be better than Built for War?

[proper flame]

Yeah i'm not feeling the Bastion vibe. Have to say the Spear is fun to play. But as i saw Necrolords are the worst Covenant for Warris

[strong forum]

Well it is

[misty tartan]

it's the worst performer and least fun, so yea

[jagged pier]

looks cool tho

[wet compass]

Imagine not wanting that silver kyrian set couldn't be me

[proper flame]

The Cupholder Shoulders look terrible

[smoky wave]

The necro change is tempting, but going from something that's great for rage and snap aggro to something that actively helps the dps keep threat off me is oooph.

[wet compass]

say what?

kyrian looks amazing

[jagged pier]

they arent tempting unless your pushing very high mythic progression

[wet compass]

or if you want to be lazy and claim that you are grey parsing because you are helping your dps out 😛

[jagged pier]

yer or that

[sweet summit]

🤔

[proper flame]

I said they look fucking stupid. At least on anything bigger than a BE

[smoky wave]

They are if you feel like you need sunglasses Everytime you hearth. If I wanted things to glow I'd have rolled a paladin. Damn the spear is fun thoughm

[amber herald]

sigh

[jagged pier]

scale wtf?

is the sigh for?

[smoky wave]

Sigh? At a 226 scale? You sod 😅

[strong forum]

Prolly his 3rd scale

[jagged pier]

still not seen one

[native coyote]

still waiting for my 1st

[jagged pier]

got 226 decanter today tho

[amber herald]

it's on my alt

[smoky wave]

ouch

[sweet summit]

Bear bear

[wild sandal]

i got the anima trinket 226 and a 226 haste vers pants, i have 203 pants equip, should i for the trinket or pants?

i use 207 blood scale and 213 cheat death trinkets atm

[sweet summit]

Id probably take pants 👀
An argument can be made for either one

[smoky wave]

Heh, they changed fleshcraft too. 40% health shield, 3 secs and a 30% dam reduction for that period with a passive CD reduction. Its no phial but its better at least

[strong forum]

It's huge for raiding now

It was already quite 👌 but now it's actually really strong

For non tanks*

[smoky wave]

Damnit, I got half excited then. If they add bank access to fleshcraft I'm in, but otherwise I'm stuck with the glow aren't I? Bah.

[wet compass]

lol bank access

[echo egret]

Great Vault I got a 226 IQD (already have a 210) and 213 Gluttonous Spike , any opinions ?

[smoky wave]

Honestly, never mind the bleed removal. Steward best as a bank, vendor and respecs

[jagged pier]

quantum is trash

I would be suprised if we dont see a nerf to the fleshcraft changes before it goes live

its pretty busted

[tame jasper]

I currently wear 200er slimy organ and 207 stone legion trinket. In vault theres a 200 splintered HGeart of Alar and a 226 helm with socket (current 197). Should I choose the bis trinket oder the large boost on the helm?

[remote dawn]

Bis trinket??

[sweet summit]

Head 100%

[remote dawn]

1000%

[jagged pier]

head 100000%

[tame jasper]

Okay, what do you suggest as trinket if you don't call this second life good?

[lofty widget]

blood spattered scale

alar is good too, if you need it

[sweet summit]

Scale/slh/insignia

[tame jasper]

Scale didn't drop yet 😦 But I see

I'll take the helm

thank you for your advice

[dull zodiac]

39 haste 133 vers neck vs 50 haste 144 mastery neck ?

the haste vers one easy right

[strong forum]

Haste mastery

It's just way more stats

[verbal pelican]

isnt like the stat weights of all stat rather similar for prot? with only haste being sligthly ahead )

[strong forum]

Yup

Vers is 0.63 dps and mastery is also 0.63 for me

Haste is like 0.64 and crit (for ST) is like 0.76

Ah nvm

Aka, stats legit don't matter

Just get alot of them

[verbal pelican]

huh, i actually wanted to ask... i gather raidbots are useless for tanks? used it a lot when i was dpsing and loved it

[valid zodiac]

Guy just got ring from Sire on heroic with socket. I'm jelly

[sweet summit]

Nah its great if you wanna see which item(s) would be better for output

[restive flax]

Fleshcraft changes?!

[jagged pier]

will probably get nerfed imo

[restive flax]

oh my god nvm

I just saw it

[sage shell]

Did you guys saw covenant changes? Is necrolord any better?

Oh

[restive flax]

OH GOD

[strong forum]

It's alright if you wanna be a buff bitch

[jagged pier]

banner is not any better unless you like being a buff bitch

[restive flax]

I'm a fan

[strong forum]

But for personal gain it's still pretty bad

[jagged pier]

^^

[restive flax]

It just feels better to use than before

also, the rage gain alone is going to make it much better than before

[strong forum]

Well, it's also not stationary anymore

So that's a +

[restive flax]

POG

[sage shell]

Still shit? I want to go with necrolords so bad 😦

[restive flax]

Dude I'm rerolling

[jagged pier]

well look at it this way

[restive flax]

I dont care 😄

[jagged pier]

if u dont want to be a buff bitch you get 400 mastery from it

pelagos gives 50 less than that all the time

comapred to 2 mins

[amber herald]

how do you buff the players you want to buff though

say I had me, hpal, melee dps and 2 fire mages

[strong forum]

2 closest players

[jagged pier]

they need to be the only other 2 in the banner circle

[amber herald]

how do you get it on the mages?

[jagged pier]

so u need to move out

[amber herald]

yeah so you can't sometimes

is it targetable?

[strong forum]

No

2 closest players

[amber herald]

rip

[strong forum]

So whoever is closest, gets the buff for as long as he's among the 2 closest

[rotund parcel]

I have a thought that's been nagging the back of my brain for some weeks now, would arrarats bloodmirror lego effect break protwar? I'm not saying there's anything super wrong with us at the moment it just feels sad taking 2k damage and blocking 20k then hope one of the 3 hunters in your group drops a binding.

tldr i miss arrarats bloodmirror

[sweet summit]

Gonna be honest

Never heard of it

[rotund parcel]

gave you an extra charge of block and reflect

[sweet summit]

O

[rotund parcel]

was quite nice

[sweet summit]

That does sound very nice

[rotund parcel]

if you like soloing medivh for instance

:D

liked*

[strong forum]

Not rly

It wouldnt change alot

Except that you can pool 1 more SB during Last Stand

Ararats does nothing for SB uptime except for the very first time

And SR, we don't have as many things to reflect where we would want it much more often

[rotund parcel]

i actually got to reflect some stuff today, did a bin key as arms

feelsbad

[strong forum]

Yeah...

Arms and fury get to reflect stuff

Pwar doesn't

[rotund parcel]

and the stuff that we could got changed to be no longer reflectable

:(

[orchid frigate]

any predictions on classes getting a lot better next tier? spriests? havocs?

[rotund parcel]

i actually have to swap on inerva now :(

[sick sentinel]

hmm does anyone else wish IP was on GCD?

[restive flax]

lol?

[valid zodiac]

What

[restive flax]

No I dont

[sick sentinel]

I feel like it play smoother

[restive flax]

Nah

[sick sentinel]

compared to other tanks it always feels a bit akward that it is

buff it and put it on the GCD

[strong forum]

What

In the

Who

In the where

[sick sentinel]

🙂

[restive flax]

^

couldnt have said it any better

[strong forum]

Go back to 8.0

And suffer

[brittle owl]

bfa classic when

[strong forum]

Since when would putting stuff that does nothing but a small absorb on a gcd be smoother???

[rotund parcel]

2033?

[strong forum]

Yeah lemme press a button that makes it so I have to wait

[brittle owl]

no 2033 is when 2077 is gonna be bugfree

[strong forum]

That's really smooth

[rotund parcel]

lolz

[indigo pumice]

I can’t believe I just woke up to a notification that said put ip on gcd

[sweet summit]

This is a nightmare, go back to sleep

:^)

[strong forum]

Of stuff I did not expect, I did not expect this the most.

[amber herald]

spell reflect on the gcd pls blizz

[indigo pumice]

True thanks nightmare discord chat I’m going back to bed

[blazing condor]

Is the Deadsoul Chorus inting or actually ok?

[sick sentinel]

hah I'll die on this hill

[brittle owl]

hol up a second

fhsr

how do you use IP

like, what function does it serve?

[sweet summit]

👀

What

[restive flax]

@blazing condor the anima power?

[brittle owl]

i get the feeling like he is choosing between SB and IP

[blazing condor]

yeah

[brittle owl]

might be wrong

[restive flax]

fun af

[brittle owl]

that would, in my mind, be the only scenario where it'd feel funky

[restive flax]

even without any venari buffs purchaes you can finish an 8 easily

[brittle owl]

if you deliberately chose between them

[sick sentinel]

actually the opposite

IP feels like a rotation filler

[amber herald]

it is

[signal plover]

We had a tier of IP on GCD, it wasn't good.

The end

[sick sentinel]

and a filler off GCD feels off

[amber herald]

?

[strong forum]

You couple IP to dump rage into it

Press other stuff aswell

Not a filler

Defensive rage dump

Whilst using other abilities

To avoid rage capping

[sick sentinel]

and your offensive filler is on GCD

[strong forum]

It's a dmg button

Our main dmg button

So yes

It's on GCD

I wouldn't mind revenge being off gcd

Makes it even faster of a spec

[amber herald]

cleave

give us cleave and vengenace back

[outer solstice]

yeah go back to heroic strike days

[strong forum]

Put nothing on GCD and just go fucking ham

Yes dude

[outer solstice]

let us hit 20 buttons per second

REEEEEEEEEEE

[strong forum]

Now we're talking

[blazing condor]

i liked the old charge > rend > thunderclap > cleave openings

[amber herald]

I'd love to key smash again

I still do but I want to more

[outer solstice]

so how's everyone doing on the low lvl scale farm for 9.0.5 ?

[rotund parcel]

it wasnt until i played classic again that i remembered thunderclap wasnt useable in def stance lol

awkward moment

[blazing condor]

it has to be mythic right?

the scale that is

[outer solstice]

M+ I think

[blazing condor]

i cant upgrade from HC id assume

[outer solstice]

I am seriously thinking about just running +2s and +3s

just to get it

[blazing condor]

dont think thats a bad idea

then again we dont know when its coming out

[outer solstice]

soon(tm)

[blazing condor]

gotta go through PTR first

[outer solstice]

yeah and PTR is still totally incomplete

I still hope for a nerf to condem

[rotund parcel]

i got 226 scale on 2nd vault :<

[outer solstice]

so I don't have to switch covenants

[blazing condor]

poor you

boo hoo

[rotund parcel]

my mythic co tank still has a blue

[outer solstice]

oO

[rotund parcel]

bit awks

[outer solstice]

is it hymnal?

hymnal OP

or is he running a blue scale?

[rotund parcel]

the only scale he has is blue, think hes running the cheat death kael trink and like hateful chain

[outer solstice]

what class he doin?

[rotund parcel]

brew

kael trink is not good for mythic prog jus saiyan

if he cheats he aoe's the raid for 8k

[outer solstice]

hehehe

I am fine on trinkets

but I really want a 220 or 226 scale

[blazing condor]

you get ilvl 207 from 10s right?

[rotund parcel]

226 doing 30k absorb is busted legit

[blazing condor]

or is it 203

[outer solstice]

I mean I am firmly on the first page for DPS on all bosses... but the shield is just too strong

[amber herald]

30k baseline

[outer solstice]

scaled by versa 😛

[amber herald]

it absorbs more if it damages

[outer solstice]

I have 20% versa

[amber herald]

(lmao)

[restive flax]

do you guys know what the necrolord conduit is going to be?

[outer solstice]

+10% str

it seems

[rotund parcel]

like my scale does the same as a 207 dreadfire damage wise. 30s longer cd tho

[restive flax]

wait, what?

[outer solstice]

yeah I think I read that in the PTR notes

let me double check

[strong forum]

Dreadfire scales alot with ilvl

[delicate thorn]

Hi I was reading the 9.0.5 changes and is Conqueror's Banner now mobile and stuck to you? Or am I reading it wrong

[strong forum]

Mobile

From what it looks like

[delicate thorn]

that's nice

[blazing condor]

be careful with that word

[delicate thorn]

I knew being a necro prot warrior from day one would pay off at some point

I mean, other than the sweet armor

[blazing condor]

🤔

[outer solstice]

don't change the emote name plz

[restive flax]

😄

oh yeah youre right

[jolly thistle]

What? Only if the whole raid stands right on top of you

[restive flax]

its just 10% str rn

[outer solstice]

it's split, so if not some DPS will just die

[rotund parcel]

o, even so he's killed a bunch of people before

tank death in our prog is not really one of our issues so i just dont see the point in it

[jagged pier]

i mean still hasnt really paided off tbh

[delicate thorn]

true

[jolly thistle]

It probably hits the off tank but even melees should be out of range unless they chill in front of the boss and farm parries

[delicate thorn]

but it's nice to see that they are giving the necro abilities some love

[midnight jetty]

do i take the shield (crit, haste, avoidance) or trinket.

my current trinket is shriekwings 226 and device at 203, shield is 207 pvp one

[valid zodiac]

Shield

[jolly thistle]

shield

[midnight jetty]

Any reason why? I take it because of the block and more stats?

[amber herald]

yep

most important item for us

[midnight jetty]

ok ty

[blazing condor]

imagine getting trinkets or shields in the vault

[astral crystal]

tfw no 226 trinkets

pain

[blazing condor]

im still on 200 ilvl shield and trinkets

my 3 worst items

[astral crystal]

i got super lucky on shield, got one from vault first week

and i got a 226 polearm on my bear alt on his first key last week

blessed

[carmine ore]

hey guys a bit indecisive with vault, i got on 207 vintage + 213 spike and 200 gloves, should i take 226 field emitter or 220 gloves?

[astral crystal]

field emitter is really great but gloves would probably be best here

stam/str/stats

unless you can get your hands on boe gloves

[jolly thistle]

Im not a fan of emitter, it makes it hard to see some groundeffects in m+

[graceful leaf]

Is it normal for my monk co tank to be taking 3k more DTPS on huntsman with me on barghast?

[carmine ore]

i see

so just stat upgrade it better then i guess

[tall cloud]

what trinkets should i be looking for tbh? i have a 213 gluttonous, 207 anima emitter and meat hooks atm

[carmine ore]

ty guys

[astral crystal]

monks always show up as higher dmg on logs

remember they have stagger though

[astral crystal]

anime emitter/blood scale/the denathrius trinket is good too

[tall cloud]

yeah, not seen any of the latter drop at all

[astral crystal]

blizzard and their great m+ gearing design

[tall cloud]

mhm

before this vault today i was convinced shields were a myth aswell

[odd verge]

i've been farming for scale foreverrrrrrr

[astral crystal]

im 223 and i still have 207 scale and 203 emitter

[tall cloud]

i usually run 207 emitter/213 gluttonous atm

some weeks the emitter is hard to work with tho

[astral crystal]

how so?

[tall cloud]

since you need to stand in it

necrotic come to mind

[astral crystal]

i find that it procs enough to be there most of the time

[tall cloud]

not that i need the haste when i'm off in draenor running

[jolly thistle]

I’ve found storming to be the worst in combination with emitter

[tall cloud]

yeah, true

[jolly thistle]

Im too blind to see them spawn

[tall cloud]

practice thing i guess

[jolly thistle]

F that

I switched to slg trinket

[tall cloud]

hehe

[astral crystal]

wish it dropped for me ;_;

[tall cloud]

not seen a hint of that in the drops yet either

[quaint fjord]

Hello dear warriors, how is this week going on with the affixes on mythic ? The nerf on tyrannical makes it as easy as fortified?

[unkempt fox]

25% nerf makes it exactly 25% easier

[odd verge]

https://tenor.com/view/japanese-math-math-is-hard-gif-9826482

[tall cloud]

still rough imo, but not as much as before 😛

[quaint fjord]

Okay thanks 😀 so not easier than last week for sure I guess (overall)

[tall cloud]

i've only done 1 key so far but yeah

no storming though, so that's an up 😉

[tiny blade]

Lol, second week in a row i've gotten a 226 scale 😬

[remote dawn]

Buuu

[amber herald]

lmao

[gaunt dawn]

requesting a ban on @tiny blade

[digital hawk]

does 226 scale turn you into a real tank

[unkempt fox]

Yes it 100% does

[gaunt dawn]

only got 210 😢

pls help

[restive flax]

only got 200

[strong forum]

Working on it. 🚔

[restive flax]

😄

[unkempt fox]

At least for me going from no scale to 226 made me actually enjoy 15s

[strong forum]

I didn't use scale in 2 weeks

😳