i mean signet is only for memes tbh
#protection
jagged pier
modern brook
so its not a lot of value for prot
glacial skiff
Wait actually it only procs on avatar for prot right? Yeah that’s right haha
modern brook
Tlords is honestly probably more damage overall
fallow beacon
is a 226 decanter worth taking from vault for keys & raid, or is it limited to just a keys trinket by it being aoe focused?
pastel sleet
i am having some problems with threat on large pulls, now that my dps have caught up to my ilvl. should i consider taking dragonroar?
solemn magnet
No?
vague thistle
Great Vault Dilemma: 210 Decanter or 194 Stone Legion?
sick sentinel
bursting feels like a nothing burger when you can just have a piest and dispell it
i guess other classes can too, but thats the main one i know that can
vague thistle
Gotta pump
yes sir!
chilly brook
Pet peeve
Guilds that have multiple raid teams
And are trying to recruit you for their lower end team using their high end team progress as an eye catcher
simple mural
So, haste crit ring or cheat death trinket? I have a 213 ring that's crit vers, my trinket is a 226 Decanter and a 207 Vintage.
haughty sleet
Love trinket
simple mural
Yeah I see a lot of people using it in the logs
haughty sleet
Allowed me to solo tank the last 10% of m artificer
old monolith
mighty valley
The trinket is pretty unique, you don't need to use it all the time but you'll find better rings
there are first kills where the guild is like "that was so clean, gj everyone" and I just keep quiet about the trinket popping lol
simple mural
Yeah I went with the trinket, I can always buy another pvp ring.
mighty valley
213 ring isn't bis anything
blazing condor
"well akshually it would need to be 226 socketed"
tardy sequoia
guys how do you pick up the lady with the hounds in HoA instead of jumping down?
mighty valley
You can body pull if you get real real close to the edge without going off - watch the patrol though
tardy sequoia
you mean both pulls can come up?
amber herald
go down the stairs and pull the two pats is what I do
iron drift
question about stats should i be going for mastery over haste and vers for raid tanking?
iron drift
its just odd every warcraft log i keep pulling has prot warriors with over 30% and im at 15
just changed mains a week ago
strong forum
That's just how gear worked out
Raid gear has alot of mastery
They also fell for a bug of sims
Our Sims were bugged where it said mastery is our biggest dps stat
That's fixed now
iron drift
so like 20% ish vers 15ish haste seem okay?
iron drift
k ty
haughty sleet
I just like having a cheat death while progressing
And it’s great for m+ if you don’t have a dedi group to do them with
blazing condor
Practically does higher graphics settings do anything? I noticed i dont get 144 fps on the settings i have now
like is there any advantage with higher graphics
haughty sleet
Yeah I ended up turning mine down a lot for inerva
strong forum
I just like my games pretty so I play on higher settings
ocean bloom
what are "the best" settings for visual effects without losing some?
i noticed after i turned them down for inerva i lost some effects on other fights like the spear projectiles on last 3 mobs of spires
solemn magnet
I too want a pretty, not spell clutter filled game
strong forum
If you mean minimum, then partical density low, projected textures yes, and the display other spells some
Not essential
With essential you will miss some shit
Some is 👌 it seems
Partical density I usually have on ultra, but low is minimum
Find something you like
haughty sleet
i noticed after i turned them down for inerva i lost some effects on other fight...
Same thing happened to me the other week
Made a great first impression with my new guild
jolly swift
I randomly was tanking last night, how often do yous use ignore pain. I notice my dps compared to the other dh tank was garbage lol
mighty valley
we do have the lowest damage, but you can use revenge more than you think
strong forum
I don't use ignore pain alot in raiding tbh
valid zodiac
I play on shitty PC so I have to have settings turned down anyways lol
blazing condor
There's a lot of rumors about the vault i heard that if you put certain items from slots you want in the void-storage /dont have them equipped youre more likely to get them in vault 😛 sounds kind of ridiculous but are there any rights in this?
better to make sure and abuse that in that case lol
strong forum
That's some conspiracy shit
blazing condor
ive heard it from quite some people and some claim it's definitely worked for them
sounds like expectancy bias
but who knows
mighty valley
how on earth can you prove that it worked
blazing condor
fuck it if that's gonna give me the right loot then why not
haughty sleet
Seems like most people have dropped bolster for mythic raiding?
strong forum
Ye im running perma AM
outer solstice
yep AM here
strong forum
Cuz I also have 25%+ haste
tardy parcel
i'll do whatever silly superstitious thing gets me a 226 scale in the vault..
tardy parcel
same here. i'll still take it lol, don't get me wrong
blazing condor
i aint gotten ANY trinket this xpac
sick sentinel
my ilvl isn't that great, but i'm still able to run most content i think
outer solstice
you might want to try to at least get the 200 ilvl PvP tzrinket
sick sentinel
really need to be doing N CN
outer solstice
nice combo nom
blazing condor
CN is a fun raid imo
outer solstice
I run 220 PvP + 226 anime
the anima field emitter works a lot better than expected ^^
indigo pumice
is double potency pelagos always the play or is there a world where triple endurance is better than the two potency
deep steppe
I run this because i'm lazy and don't like changing my conduits shrug I'm also not super worried about min-maxing since i havent touched mythic yet
wanton condor
splintered heart is good right
mighty valley
good for dangerous keys and learning prog fights
doesn't actually add much dps or defensive benefit though
chilly brook
CN is a fun raid imo
CN is cool
But kinda shitty
Has a great way of showing you who probably shouldn't be in mythic raiding
But also has some really dumb fights
sonic lichen
Sick^ I really hope they help out the magic damage prot war takes ;-;
deep steppe
Sick^ I really hope they help out the magic damage prot war takes ;-;
just spell reflect 4head 
chilly brook
So
Still think they need to fix the rewards
Only being able to upgrade to 220 is not great
Theres no reason to put in a system like valor points which let you upgrade and not have it be 226
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
deep steppe
i think its a baby step
chilly brook
Imho
chilly brook
By the time it drops it probably wont matter for your main
9.0.5 isn't until next month or so
chilly brook
I'm 218
deep steppe
but for alts
chilly brook
deep steppe
alts it'll be kinda nice
sick sentinel
im behind on ilvl would need to run +10s and +14's for it
deep steppe
maybe this way i can finally get gloves higher than 210 ilvl
maiden ravine
Maldraxxus rework for warrior
deep steppe
yerp
sick sentinel
here's my character so far, 205, best is a +8 and two +7's
just reached the 3% MR from pelagos
deep steppe
I like how the only class change for warriors was making the impending victory talent cost no rage
deep steppe
chilly brook
MASTERY AND RAGE?
They dont know how to fix it
deep steppe
and movement speed~!
chilly brook
Because they think it needs to be a buff
deep steppe
dont forget the movement speed
deep steppe
chilly brook
They can't make it good without it being the only pick for warrior
And it's still a what? 3 minute CD?
deep steppe
they changed the conduit for it too
opaque gazelle
2 min cd now
deep steppe
sick sentinel
where are u reading these changed
deep steppe
sick sentinel
wont load for me
chilly brook
They just need to completely scrap the ability
Do what they did for rogues Venthyr ability
maiden ravine
you mean the ability no rogues use willingly?
chilly brook
Flagellation?
sick sentinel
kyrian rogue ability seems strange to me
chilly brook
Flagellation is infinitely better than the original poison ability they got
And it's actually good in single target
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
maiden ravine
rogues still hate it
chilly brook
Why would you hate it
maiden ravine
cause it takes energy twice and doesn't generate combo points
chilly brook
It's like using razor coral
dawn geode
chilly brook
Either way
chilly brook
Both are examples of things that could probably just get completely replaced
Tbh I still think NF would be better
You get ridiculous mastery from AA
And the damage on top of that
remote hawk
Did i read it right that we got a bunch of nerfs on conduits ?
amber herald
"Gear from Mythic Keystone Dungeons is now upgradeable, initially with a cap of item level 200, which players can raise to item level 207 by completing all eight Shadowlands dungeons at Mythic 5 or higher. This will award a new “Keystone Explorer” achievement, while the existing “Keystone Conqueror” achievement (for all +10s or higher) will increase the cap to item level 213, and then to item level 220 by completing the “Keystone Master” achievement for all +15s in time."
chilly brook
"Gear from Mythic Keystone Dungeons is now upgradeable, initially with a cap of ...
You missed the convo lol
We talked about this a few lines up
sonic lichen
so would going necrolord prot warrior still be a bad choice?
chilly brook
Probably less bad now but hard to know
amber herald
oh lel
good news though!
I'm sure blizz will balance it in a way that still pisses me off but
maiden ravine
it sounds like a ptr ability
chilly brook
I mean I've had my grove invigoration be near 20 before
Which is close to 500 mastery
So idk
sonic lichen
i was thinking once i get my prot war to 60 going nightfae, not gonna like the covenant armor slaps for plate imo
scarlet sparrow
So is 500 mastery even worth anything basically? I'm bummed they took away the 20% extra health
waxen cradle
So yeah the changes seem to be along the lines of.... yeah we don't care about balance until the actual 9.1 patch so take these shitty useless changes until then
astral crystal
you can actually carry the banner now lol
maiden ravine
they've massively buffed fleshcraft
chilly brook
So is 500 mastery even worth anything basically? I'm bummed they took away the 2...
I mean 20% extra health is kinda a meme tbh
astral crystal
banner looks ok now i guess
maiden ravine
40% hp fleshcraft baseline, you take 30% DR during it
chilly brook
500 mastery is gonna be stonks for dps but I mean also not great unless it lines up with avatar and execute/revenge spam
astral crystal
i cant imagine it in raids tho
maiden ravine
every corpse you walk by during fleshcraft's CD reduces it by 1 second
astral crystal
imagine being asked to hold your banner as a movement speed buff for raids
valid zodiac
Did they change Night Fae in any way?
chilly brook
And again AA is 13k crit initially plus damage over time plus rage plus huge mastery
grand drum
where are you guys seeing these covenant changes? I dont see them on mmo champ
chilly brook
imagine being asked to hold your banner as a movement speed buff for raids
Where my Condemn cleave for prot at?
astral crystal
is that actually in, matt?
astral crystal
i read there's a conduit or whatever that gives you a little more absorb
based on nearby enemies
chilly brook
It can cleave for every other spec
astral crystal
and yeah condemn cleave would make it really good imo
chilly brook
Prot is the only one that cant
astral crystal
that would make it attractive to me
chilly brook
Sweeping for arms and whirlwind for fury
And boom
Condemn cleave
But no cleave for the shield bois
deft vessel
why does gluttonous spike show in two separate instances? O_O
is it cus of the "boosted" one?
(the overheal)?
royal marten
sick sentinel
halls is a free key this week guys
maiden ravine
my necro bear is so hyped for the new fleshcraft
heavy sail
New banner seems good
haughty sleet
What’s the bottom line, any Prot buffs?
heavy sail
If only we benefited as much from mastery as other classes
lavish oracle
Echelon always spooks me a bit on tyrannical
heavy sail
+500 mastery CD that applies to allies
Is dope
Also gives move speed and prevents snares too right?
That has potential to be very strong in PvP
vestal moat
So there are no buffs on the PTR to prot baseline??
heavy sail
4 RPS as well
chilly brook
So there are no buffs on the PTR to prot baseline??
no
ember marsh
9.1 for the big big changes
heavy sail
Only amounts to 60 rage in 15 seconds which I guess isn’t great
chilly brook
4 RPS as well
it's still worse than AA
heavy sail
Yeh
chilly brook
eh
heavy sail
I don’t think it changes like the current meta at all
chilly brook
It's IQD
chilly brook
Not really
Because you're not going to get huge mileage out of it
And it's only going to be relevant if you line it up with two DPS who actually benefit heavily from mastery when they have CDs
nimble drift
When do these changes go through, for m+
chilly brook
It's literally IQD
solar fiber
necro prot is gonna be insane
chilly brook
necro prot is gonna be insane
It won't be lmao
chilly brook
It';s not
solar fiber
banner can be really big
lavish oracle
Is it still gonna be the 2 nearest allies w/ banner?
solar fiber
wdym. 30% damage reduction during cast and 40% absorb shield
chilly brook
The new fleshcraft is only 30% DR while channeling
solar fiber
how is fleshcraft not strong?
chilly brook
Because you're still gonna get hit hard
ember marsh
and then u get a 40% absorb
heavy sail
It seems good but I don’t think it’ll change the meta
Just makes life bearable for people who want to go necro
Whereas before it was borderline unplayable
lavish oracle
So it's like a slightly worse mitigation option than shield block for blockable damage, and strong against magic
chilly brook
I mean the #17 prot warrior on io doesn't have a covenant
lavish oracle
It seems like a reasonable option
heavy sail
are they Chinese? @chilly brook
mighty valley
I mean the #17 prot warrior on io doesn't have a covenant
they do, it just doesn't pull from chinese servers
heavy sail
Chinese client doesn’t track covenant choice
chilly brook
I see
heavy sail
API doesn’t work
amber herald
you can dodge while convoking as bear so maybe they'll let us block
mighty valley
imagine if they....... changed it
amber herald
aaw
vocal vessel
doubtful. they're far less generous about blocks than parry or dodge
chilly brook
Imagining is all well and good
mighty valley
either way it seems ok for some long casts etc, not dramatic but not completely useless
chilly brook
But that's not what's happened
lavish oracle
I mean, fleshcrafting instead of kiting when you run out of tools seems like a strong option
chilly brook
either way it seems ok for some long casts etc, not dramatic but not completely ...
It was already "ok" on long casts before this buff
since the 30% only applies when channeling
And 40% of your HP goes pretty fast js
mighty valley
if it was already ok, then it's massively better now? cmon dude
weak spindle
you used to be able to Block during only Bladestorm
lavish oracle
Eh, that's like what, 25k?
weak spindle
And thats a channel right?
amber herald
make banner party wide 
chilly brook
And thats a channel right?
no
vocal vessel
No, bladestorm isn't a channel
lavish oracle
Haha, noooo
chilly brook
It's just a buff
chilly brook
if it was already ok, then it's massively better now? cmon dude
you can make a "good" change and have something still be "meh"
lavish oracle
If they made it party wide WF guilds would bring Necro warrior and just plop them down in the moonkin group
stray sonnet
Does anyone know if any of the pvp trinkets is viable for raid tanking?
And which ones
chilly brook
if it was 30% DR for as long as the shield was up and it was an instant cast instead of a channel it'd be a different story
misty tartan
This is what banner should have been like from the start imo. Now I'd like to see it party wide or in a radius. Granting 500 mastery seems a bit boring though
chilly brook
Also tying group/party/party member buffs to covenant abilities is a dumb idea
I'm cool with them giving us group buffs
but make them class wide
chilly brook
2m
lavish oracle
Hm, kinda awkward to line it up with druid cds
I guess it lines up with every convoke
misty tartan
Group buff (banner) or enemy debuff (fae, kyr), I'm fine with either
chilly brook
not bad considering my pants are 203
lavish oracle
Do hunters like mastery?
chilly brook
Kek
vocal vessel
not bad considering my pants are 203
big gz
amber herald
bis for thrash in HOA
chilly brook
Group buff (banner) or enemy debuff (fae, kyr), I'm fine with either
player power choices shouldn't come down to making you stronger or sitting second fiddle so you can make two others shine
Unless that's the point of your role/spec
lavish oracle
I mean, that's how it's gonna be used
chilly brook
I get that
I'm just saying it's bad design
Because if it's good enough to be used
You're forced into it
solar fiber
i mean not like tanks shine anyways
chilly brook
Speak for yourself
vocal vessel
Plus most of the warrior player base already complained about banners
chilly brook
I almost break 4k overall
vocal vessel
saying 'i don't want to be a banner bitch'
misty tartan
4k is meaningless
mighty valley
that was fast
chilly brook
Plus most of the warrior player base already complained about banners
Banners are chill if they're baseline
chilly brook
4k is meaningless
wat
solar fiber
So... the banner changed again. 400 Mastery and 6 rage / sec now
400 is still insane
pastel dew
"and preventing movement speed from being reduced below 100%"
misty tartan
Path of exile got cool banners I think
chilly brook
All damage is meaningful lmao
vocal vessel
I liked the banner we had in MoP but ofc that was baseline
chilly brook
Saying damage is meaningless is an objectively stupid statement
stray sonnet
Agreed. Im a mm hunter main and I always look at overall dmg for tanks
misty tartan
All damage is meaningful lmao
You shine with 4k dps. Another player shines with more. Doesn't matter if it's yours or someone elses
stray sonnet
It is pretty damn good
chilly brook
And it makes the run go faster
stray sonnet
Yep and it means I’ll time the key
vocal vessel
damage is meaningless, which is why you never pick something for high damage lul
chilly brook
If you're not dying and you're already setting the group up for success your job is to pump
mighty valley
sounds like someone who'd love to take a group buff ability!
amber herald
banner needs more buffs
lavish oracle
Never pick what for high damage?
stray sonnet
We can tell who’s pushed high keys and who hasn’t here lol @chilly brook
mighty valley
y'all are actually insane if you think it can be group wide
stray sonnet
Anyways I’m learning prot warrior as an alt. Is the pvp health trinket good for raiding?
lavish oracle
Yeah, it'd be absurd
amber herald
let us use banner as a weapon that does 1000% increased weapon damage
lavish oracle
That said
misty tartan
I'm not saying dmg doesn't matter. I'm saying it doesn't matter who does it
lavish oracle
Ashen Hallow exists
neat dirge
any interesting PTR changes?
solar fiber
i mean max just said on stream if the banner stays like this you just gonna bring 2 prot warriors
misty tartan
If conqueror banner will buff my group equally then I won't mind
chilly brook
I'm not saying dmg doesn't matter. I'm saying it doesn't matter who does it
that's a lie lmao
If your healer and tank aren't doing damage you're throwing
stray sonnet
Combined overall dps of the group matters in higher keys. So if they’re pumping more and can take the hits, I want that tank in my group
chilly brook
lavish oracle
The number of healers I've seen complain about damage being low and casting 0 offensive spells is maddening, lol
misty tartan
Ok so you lose kyr spear and reduce your spa by 200. You take banner and increase 2 allies by 100. Nothing changes
stray sonnet
If you can take the hits, why not try to swap out something for more dps?
U don’t have to be a tank main to realize that
chilly brook
Ok so you lose kyr spear and reduce your spa by 200. You take banner and increas...
That's assuming that's the case
misty tartan
If given the option I won't mind supportive covenant choice
patent osprey
I'm not saying dmg doesn't matter. I'm saying it doesn't matter who does it
I actually agree with this sentiment. if your tank does 0 dam but can hold mobs completely still, but make your fire mage take off in damage vs a tank that does good dam but has to kite all the time, the 0 dam tank will time more high keys
in my opinion. but that is the extreme case. it's just balance
chilly brook
I actually agree with this sentiment. if your tank does 0 dam but can hold mobs ...
That's removing the fact that the tank can do both
It's not mutually exclusive
lavish oracle
I mean there's nuance, there's no absolutely correct answer
timber lagoon
Why tf is overwhelming power crystal on the prot loot table
lavish oracle
But to say tank damage never matters is stupid
patent osprey
eh. it's a balancing game. right now I can do pump prot war dam by forgoing defensive but it'll end up worse. gotta find that perfect balance
chilly brook
If given the option I won't mind supportive covenant choice
And that choice also has a much higher chance to be screwed up
sweet surge
who says tank damgur doesn't matter lul
lavish oracle
How much it matters tends to fluctuate based ok the situation, though
chilly brook
Spear and AA are fire and forget
mighty valley
once again everyone's arguing different points past each other for no reason lol
good day for it
chilly brook
it has no other conditions of doing their job
patent osprey
^.^
chilly brook
Whereas banner still relies on you playing around your DPS' CDs and them actually taking advantage of it
amber herald
is power crystal bad? it lines up perfectly with avatar
misty tartan
And that choice also has a much higher chance to be screwed up
Yeah I would hate to end up being buff bot. I want to be my own warrior too
chilly brook
Which is a lot of potential failure points to put into something that could end up not being a gain or loss
vocal vessel
Also since the banner is mastery now, what do you do if you have an outlaw rogue in the group?
neat dirge
is necrolord
meta?
30% damage reduction when channeling fleshcraft
seems insanly good
chilly brook
stahp
vocal vessel
i believe it currently has that already, does it not?
amber herald
it'll be good for casted magic boss damage
neat dirge
not whne u challange
vocal vessel
the change was bigger shield and lower cast time
sick sentinel
im not sure man, i like that gigantic bubble on my dps toons
fallow beacon
and reduced CD when walking near corpses
amber herald
3 sec is huge
fallow beacon
seems pretty pog tbh
amber herald
didn't realise it was that bad 🙁
sick sentinel
you get a giga absorb for pre-pull
and if you don't take any damage, activate it again in 2 minutes
mighty valley
all the necrolords I knew basically only did it pre-pull for the buffs and in total deadtime
fallow beacon
new banner looks pretty pog as well
neat dirge
3 sec channel with 40% shield after PLUS 30% damage reduction WHILE U CAST IT
new banner looks INSANE
fallow beacon
friends i have already covenant switched once i am scared to do it again
chilly brook
friends i have already covenant switched once i am scared to do it again
Then don't
All this "necro is insane" talk is based on nothing other than things "looking good"
amber herald
3 sec cast in a m+ is a nah from me
neat dirge
Bruh im so
misty tartan
Necrolords have a stupid home base imo. That was enough for me to switch my monk away from it
fallow beacon
but playing as an undead plated necrolord death machine may actually be viable now :_;
amber herald
we're kinda slow out of combat as it is
chilly brook
If you want to play necro
mighty valley
let people be excited for one hour, we can go back to being depressed losers soon, don't worry
chilly brook
no one is stopping you
neat dirge
bruh i think new banner + fleshcraft
fallow beacon
well the ptr being months away is a bit of a stopper tbh
vocal vessel
halt
neat dirge
might be meta
amber herald
well the ptr being months away is a bit of a stopper tbh
patch is confirmed coming out in march
chilly brook
You can already do that
mighty valley
you can already do that sometimes
vocal vessel
Also you missed Griff's earlier comment about not blocking during Fleshcraft
which is kinda important
chilly brook
You're just gaining a 30% DR while channeling which really only just slightly offsets you not being able to mitigate at all while channeling
mighty valley
there are a ton of times in fights where you can find 3 seconds of not being hit to channel
limpid dagger
Y'all ready to be spookybois
vocal vessel
right but if you're finding 3 seconds of not being hit, you're not usign the DR
chilly brook
^^^
mighty valley
you're right, there are no other kinds of damage in raid other than melee attacks
misty tartan
I kinda dream of recklessness banner, shieldwall banner, avatars banner, whatever spec you are. Prob not gonna work in practice but it would be so cool
mighty valley
there are no spell casters in M+
chilly brook
Like I said if the 30% was attached to just the shield and not the channel
limpid dagger
What about magic/soak mechanics?
chilly brook
it would actually be pog
If you have to pull out the niche times in order to justify something giving you 30% DR on a channel.....
Idk what to tell you
vocal vessel
Are you not countering casters in m+ with SR and interrupts 95% of the time?
chilly brook
Cuz you're already getting the absorb over the course of the channel as is so why not just play it now
If those niche times are really that important
The only way you go Necrolord is if banner is stupidly broken
Not because of Fleshcraft
Or alternatively
timber lagoon
anyone rocking overwhelming power crystal for prot? got that and a 226 socketed belt in the vault, not sure what to take
chilly brook
If you just wanna be a bone boi because you think they're cool
In which case cool I'm happy for you
But there's no need to justify the pick
vocal vessel
No, it's losing that 20% hp is it not?
solemn magnet
I hope it eventually becomes competitive. I'd love to be a boneboi
verbal cedar
so um necrolord warrior in the next big patch?
amber herald
oh is it?
verbal cedar
Now fleshcraft if a 40% shield channeled over 3 seconds
While channeling you get 30% DR
verbal cedar
thanks Griff
vocal vessel
lol you could make a copypasta for it
astral crystal
dear god the council nightmare is finally over
verbal cedar
mythic?
astral crystal
ya
chilly brook
dear god the council nightmare is finally over
This is like the leech meme all over again
verbal cedar
we are finally 7/10H and probably into AotC in 2 weeks or so at this rate. pretty happy with my little guild. we set a goal of 4/10M for the tier. might just make it
astral crystal
always habeeb
shut summit
you can block/parry/dodge during fleshcraft now iirc
think was changed awhile back
shut summit
the first SS has block
hardy radish
bro if these necro changes go through I will swap IMMEDIATELY
chilly brook
Still don't see you taking it just for fleshcraft
hardy radish
nothing against night fae I’m just bored of it
amber herald
banners gotta be a bit better for me but it's way better now
chilly brook
The only way you swap is if banner is just borked
amber herald
competitive
sick sentinel
if necro lord is good i will swap oo
it was my first choice if you didn't tell me the good and bad ones
vocal vessel
they really need to change tool tips. Like, give an option for more detailed versions
every other channel that lets you parry/dodge pretty much says it or says you're free to move etc
sick sentinel
i mean, banner was bad all round regardless
neat dirge
@chilly brook https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471774449176281091/808854712803131432/unknown.png
this picture
this isnt what i read?
chilly brook
That's direct from the wowhead page
neat dirge
can u link it?
chilly brook
vocal vessel
it's original PTR iteration was attack speed
which spawned a bunch of banner + windfury memes
mighty valley
haven't either
vocal vessel
it should be pretty major
mighty valley
probably not too bad though, a lot of other nerfs went in since last tyrannical week, on top of the flat health nerf
vocal vessel
it's a 25% nerf since it's going from 40 -> 30
okay, tested in game on my shaman since my warrior isn't necrolord. You can block during fleshcraft
mighty valley
well there it is
vocal vessel
so unless there's specifically a 'screw you warriors' exception that I'm not seeing, it's more usual than I first thought
more useful*
chilly brook
NF pally ring a bell 🙂
neat dirge
they want that fatty 400 mastery
solemn magnet
NF pally is aight
chilly brook
Have them tell your paladins to go NF too
neat dirge
we only have 1 Hpala
chilly brook
NF pally is *aight*
so much worse than the other options
outer solstice
keep in mind from the looks this is an incomplete change
neat dirge
30% damage reduction Cooldown + Banner
outer solstice
there are obvious buffs to some coveneants that are already the strongest
like nightfae hunter/druid
so there will be a lot more changes
neat dirge
banner 2 min cooldown 1200 Effective mastery + Rage regeneration
15 sec
new Fleshcraft is nice
outer solstice
yeah but we don't know what they'll do to the other 3 covenants
outer solstice
yeah the new banner and the banner conduits (10% strength) look solid so far
verbal cedar
I'd just love to not have all my tanks be the same covenant
chilly brook
NF warrior
Necro bear/monk
Kyrian/Venth pally
Kyrian DH
Necro/Venth BDK
really only one tank that's kinda forced to be kyrian
DH
outer solstice
yeah I mean for raid it let's you ignore a tankswap in some situations,... but not like tankswaps are particulary hard
ember marsh
vdh nerf is pretty big
for m+ anyways
the fiery brand and a lot of dmg lost for decree
dark lark
Feel like the mastery gain makes the necklord banner into bastion of might 2.0, I just wish it lined up with avatars cool down a little bit better
last mason
What was the dh nerf?
dark lark
They nerfed Elysian decree damage and the fiery brand CDR conduit
ember marsh
they nerfed elysian decree and changed the one conduit to reduce fiery brand cd to fel devestation
the conduti is a buff for raiding
but a nerf for m+
necro dh is prob still too gimmicky
ember marsh
yeah it nerfs fiery brand build which was what made it so tanky for m+
fiery brand still strong
vocal vessel
that's a shame. DH deserved to be the best for at least a little bit
last mason
They were
vocal vessel
i know
dark lark
I play a lot of vengeance DH and I don't think it's too big of a deal, just means fiery brand spread will not be as frequent and you just have to kite more
vocal vessel
but it looks like only for half a patch
last mason
They’ll still be strong
last mason
Just not best of all worlds
ember marsh
if banner stays the way it is
rose quartz
I was always a Necro fan. Played 1300rio as prot with Necro so far. But the changes are complete bullshit for Necro. Iove the idea of supporting high burst phases. And rescuing the pride with 20% life on bros and Crit to kill it quicker is awesome. But y the hell we need more movement?! It's a complete PvP shit that Kills the pve benefit completely. Just change the 10% crit to 15% Versa. Small deff bonus and offensive Bonus. Done.
ember marsh
?
last mason
Joking mostly
ember marsh
it willb e buffing ur boomie mm and fire mage's dmg by a lot
assuming it doesnt get nerfed to the ground prior to going live
400 mastery is nuts
last mason
Mastery true
rose quartz
Kiting is not a matter of movement speed as warrior. It's a matter of getting the mobs slowed. Put -80% slow on mobs who is under banner.
ember marsh
you dont need to move with banner anymore it will be attached to your back
last mason
Idk there are a lot of elite mobs that can’t be slowed
The big guys who enrage in dos
The big guys in the beginning of lists
Mists*
rose quartz
Which is completely shitty. No range DD is next to you as a tank. It even won't buff ranges anymore.
ember marsh
for mythic + maybe
ember marsh
for raiding you can defintiely make use of it
rose quartz
Kyrian spear gives master too. 300?
vocal vessel
also if NL warrior became meta, RIP melee dps with bad mastery like outlaw or havoc
last mason
Wish both prots got a big of a straight tuning buff
ember marsh
kyrian spear doesnt give mastery to your party members
last mason
Bit*
ember marsh
prot warrior will be indirectly buff with ilvl going up in 9.1 even if they get nothing directly
this is a 9.0.5 patch
fleshcraft will be huge dr cd for magic hits
as well
on top of the banner
rose quartz
Feeling as prot warrior. I have now 1400 Rio.
Rejected most of time for +17 dungeons cause we are not dh.
I got invited 4 times into a group and someone left cause "lul warrior tank, don't Wanne waste my time"
And I got /w when applying for a dungeon a few times. "warrior, noob"
ember marsh
people are dumb
rose quartz
So I gotta wait 50% of shadowlands until I get invited?
ember marsh
9.0.5 will make prot warrior p good for m+
vocal vessel
honestly? try to avoid purely pugging
vocal vessel
try to get a group together if you're pushing
rose quartz
We guys gotta stick together forming a list of all the ppl who flame our class. Then if we are meta again we won't invite them saying they flamed our class when we were not meta.
"Warrior Community ignoring tool"
ember marsh
right now best tanks for high keys are vdh bear and brew
undoubtedly
with brew being the lesser of the three
smoky sparrow
are the new draven soulbinds good
rose quartz
Good buff would be. Ignore pain amount +100% or rage cost -50% . And all DMG +20% then we will be back bros
smoky sparrow
which one is better, decanter or gluttonous spike
mighty valley
decanter usually
smoky sparrow
is a 181 hymnal worth it over a 216 decanter
smoky sparrow
the cape?
solemn magnet
i was hoping for a more fun better trinket
dawn imp
so is necrolord good now? im on the ptr right now and you can still block during the channel.
solemn magnet
It's like NF pally levels of aight
hardy radish
it's not laughably bad at least
I think we'll need more testing to know if it's "good"
I do have to say though, using fleshcraft on the PTR feels extremely good
nimble drift
bis boots drop off shriekwing and ret pally takes it for off set zzzzzzz
sonic lichen
necrolord prot i go! i cant wait bc i love the necrolords lore too
really fits a warrior
echo carbon
Is the trinket from hungering destroyer any good?
mighty cairn
what do people mean exactly when they say prot warrior scales really well? is it mostly just secondary stats and uptime on defensives
ember marsh
^^
also a lot of stuff in dungeons right now has a lot of magical dmg
so coupled with that
vestal moat
Are we the only tank that can drop the necrolord banner thing? Sorry i dont know the other classes.
mighty valley
Yeah, the banner is the class ability
vestal moat
Interesting. Wonder if my raid will make me switch. does the whole raid benefit or just your party.
inland silo
its just 2 people closest to you
solemn magnet
2 of your closest friends
ember marsh
Nice
@vestal moat two people closest to you so at the high end of raiding like limit, echo and such they will 100% utilize it. max was saying that if it's even remotely close to how it is on the PTR right now they will be most likely running double prot warrior next tier unless some wild changes happen in 9.1
beacuse of how strong fleshcraft is and the banner
400 mastery buff and it lines up with convoke and wild spirts and stuff..
limpid pawn
sullen flame
That was the general fear of banner from Beta, we become buff bitches and nothing else really matters. 400 seems like a lot to share IMO
haughty sleet
Should have swapped to anger management a while ago smh
lavish oracle
Yeah, some of the top DPS specs right now love mastery
just stick some boomies next to your necro prot warrior for CDs and watch things melt
vestal moat
So it seems like more of a raiding ability than for keys. Tough because i like to do both content. But obviously if my raid asks me to switch i will have to.
Not like new fleshcraft is bad for keys, i just like spear for threat and phial.
To be honest though it will just be nice to be wanted by s omeone, if what max says is true.
lavish oracle
I mean, I'm sure in like MDI situations you could throw it down for your fire mage with PI up
and watch them shred
I don't know how good mastery is for fire, though
vague jetty
What changes were made to flesh
oh nice dr while channeling
do you have a clip of "Limit" saying they would run 2 prot with current ptr iterration
lavish oracle
I don't think fleshcraft is that strong, it's just like...useable now
sonic lichen
what race on horde has the best prot war animations? or are they kind of all similar?
wanton condor
It's a channel, so no block/dodge/parry
hardy radish
you can block
sacred roost
is maldraxxus going to be a good choice in 9.0.5?
lavish oracle
It's for 2 seconds, I mean, it's pretty good
hardy radish
tested it on the ptr
lavish oracle
It's just like
y'know comparable to the other signature abilities
Before the DR it was just like almost always a mistake to press it
sacred roost
is the banner/shield better then kyrian? I'm kinda not wanting to get rid of the potion more then anything 🙂
timber cloud
yoyo, is sire ring good for prot? trying to figure if getting the big haste bump is better than increasing chest iL from vault
hardy radish
you're probably better off with the chest for mainstat
timber cloud
actually just looked at chest, it has double haste of current chest and 6 more iL. gonna take it
chilly brook
@patent osprey What soulbind do you use in keys? Theotar?
vague jetty
The shield will be 40% of your health ^_^
hardy radish
I’m gonna swap to necro tomorrow and none of you can stop me
hardy radish
You’ll be so jealous of my fully unlocked soulbinds when the patch hits
buoyant pasture
I got a 220 cube in my vault. Not sure if I should be happy or not 😦 I could use a shield
neat dirge
I got 226 cube a couple weeks ago
Took it to swag on my guildies
Haven't used it once
It's called being idiot (me)
I'm pepega
buoyant pasture
It's better than my other trinkets by far. Sire dropped DPS trinket for my lock this week in our alt raid
valid finch
hey guys what should be my first leggo for prot? The Wall or TL noob tank. but really like prot warrior & prefer not to be to bad
buoyant pasture
As a fresh character I made r1 thunder lords first to get ahead in mythics
But then I rushed the wall for raiding
patent osprey
<@!133743762999476224> What soulbind do you use in keys? Theotar?
nadjia
patent osprey
hey guys what should be my first leggo for prot? The Wall or TL noob tank. bu...
I recommend the wall. ull have ur major defensive cd up more often do u can feel more in control
valid finch
also what is the best build for a noob, Right now i have Devastator, DT, BV, CT, Indom, Into the Fray & Bolster
patent osprey
also what is the best build for a noob, Right now i have Devastator, DT, BV, CT,...
ravagee instead of itf
patent osprey
and storm bolt
so many tanks don't use storm boltits wild to me :O
like when I look at raider io
Storm Bolt is bae
chilly brook
I've argued with so many people that storm bolt is objectively better than rumbling earth in here....
wet compass
Brandish the Conqueror's Banner, granting 0 Mastery and 30% increased movement speed to you and your 2 nearest allies, and preventing movement speed from being reduced below 100% - this doesn't seem that amazing for average raid teams but for wf level could def see some cheese potential
valid finch
also would be beneficial to use Unstoppable force if using TL leggo?
unkempt fox
@rose quartz i fully pugged to 1400 as venthyr prot and never experienced anything even close to stuff u're talking about
chilly brook
Brandish the Conqueror's Banner, granting 0 Mastery and 30% increased movement s...
Considering warriors are likely to see some changes in 9.1 I seriously doubt Venthyr will ever not be the play for DPS warriors
And for tanks Kyrian will still likely be better
unkempt fox
so if you're reading this channel and thinking about playing prot its totally fine and that person is just an exception
talking bout my exp at 1400 rio level
i have NEVER seen a person leaving after i joined a group cause im a prot warrior
neat dirge
any 1 know how new banner gives the buff?
does it change who has the buff
depending on who is "currently" closest to you?
wet compass
Erm why are you talking about venth? I'm talking about the necro change if it goes live as is I could 100% see double prot being the go to for the top 10 because they will channel the mastery buff on top of the pi buff to make some stupid silly burst happen. Tanks Kyrian phial will 100% be sacced if it means a massive damage amp at important times for the top level. Is there any news about what legendary changes they are looking at
final axle
I too am wondering if necrolords will be decent after the change. 10% strength and mastery buff, plus it looks like the shield is getting buffed? 40% hp shield?
Plus the dr that someone up top is saying you can block during the channel so... seems worthwhile
final axle
Well, I almost only raid so eh
wet compass
I don't think it will be that good for the average player but it could make prot war 100% meta for mdi type stuff and double prot in raids depending on just how big a damage gain that will be when stacked with pi.
wet compass
like sticking pi banner and lust on your best dps could do a nutty amount of damage
neat dirge
next tier
wet compass
yeah for wf level guilds with that level of coordination for sure
neat dirge
so that should say something
wet compass
but the power won't be the same in the hands of people who are just popping it on cooldown and not lining it up to make one dps a god
final axle
I mean you'd have to know who its buffing
neat dirge
2 closest allies
chilly brook
Erm why are you talking about venth? I'm talking about the necro change if it g...
Because what you're failing to realize is that this buff is extremely finnicky and would require a lot of gaming for potentially negligible gain
wet compass
I mean the way to do it will be to have your 2 chosen gods stand outside the raid and on the burn your intervene over drop your buff bitch banner and go back
chilly brook
You don't drop it
neat dirge
it says 2 closet allies
chilly brook
you carry it
wet compass
And nobody is saying it would be the default?
final axle
But like it seems you're likely not going to be wrong popping it during lust regardless
chilly brook
So your big dick bois will need to be riding your ass
wet compass
okay but does it constantly revaluate who is closest or is it closest on cast
chilly brook
And there's a ton of ways it could get sniped
wet compass
I honestly haven't played with it because necro was so trash
neat dirge
@final axle i think it gives the buff to the 2 cloest ally when u pop it, and they ahve it for the duration as long as they are insane
chilly brook
It still likely will be lol
neat dirge
so imma do a WA
that says 5 sec before i pop it
so we can all gather
i pop
then we can go abck
wet compass
Yep the wf raiders saying if it stays as is they will run double prot have no clue 😛
if it's on pop and not re-evaluating you will just have them step outside of raid for 5 seconds intervene pop and go back
wet compass
no they didn't?
neat dirge
what no?
chilly brook
They did
neat dirge
@wet compass bruh
neat dirge
read the abillity
wet compass
if they did it was before death's due got knee chopped
chilly brook
And it was after the Death's Due nerf
neat dirge
exactly
imma just gonna have a WA
for it
so they come gather inside me (pun intended)
and get it
then we can go back
it wont be that hard
wet compass
I mean I don't think it will be worth for anyone who isn't either doing mdi shit or pushing minimum top 50 but that's just me
chilly brook
Yep the wf raiders saying if it stays as is they will run double prot have no cl...
I'd love to see the source of this
final axle
I stans by what I said, you can yolo it at lust and have an impact
wet compass
max literally on stream was talking about it going over the notes
the question is what you give up for it for the average player also it's a 3 min cd
neat dirge
2 min
wet compass
did they drop it a minute as well?
wet compass
that will line up very well with pi then for sure but idk we will have to see
neat dirge
also new fleshcraft
30% dmg reduction for 3 sec
and u can block while doing it
wtf?
wet compass
I'm aware of that change I like having an extra health stone though and that root is pretty sick we will see what happens I doubt it stays as is seems like a massive change to do mid patch cycle
wet compass
other thing and this can't be overstated outside the top 50 probably even the top 10 a lot of people just play for logs and if it doesn't do the best personal logs then gl getting them to do it
vague jetty
I mean, I don’t even think it’s an argument as far as Kyrian pot vs fleshcraft as on ptr atm. A single 35% pot once during the fight or a 30% dr for 3 second that then gives you a 40% health shield....on a 2 min cd
karmic scroll
spear hello?
chilly brook
- pot can prevent damage
chilly brook
If we take current kill times and say my HP pool
You're talking 50k absorb in a fight
👀
Much wow
vague jetty
Taking prog as an argument, tiny brain
chilly brook
sweet summit
What
chilly brook
A lot of these bosses aren't 6 minute monsters
vague jetty
You could do farm with no covenant 😛
chilly brook
Even during prog
But ok
This is the same logic people used on beta saying that everyone was so wrong about necrolord and that a 50% of your HP shield was insanely good
vague jetty
Was my argument “oh hey big shield”
chilly brook
The signature abilities largely don't matter
vague jetty
Taking a tiny portion of someone’s argument and telling them they are wrong. Not a very good approach
But opinions are opinions
sweet summit
Banner changes makes it a lot more apealing, but im not convinced its the best one
sweet summit
And tbh, i dont really know how soulbinds look for necro
sweet summit
Oh lol ok
vague jetty
Not, which covenant is the best
chilly brook
And tbh, i dont really know how soulbinds look for necro
Mostly not great the most notable one is serrated spaulders
vague jetty
And yes, you completely glanced over the 30% dr. So yes, tiny portion.
vague jetty
You are allowed an opinion
chilly brook
For most stuff that's actually dangerous in the game rn it won't be relevant
If it was attached to the shield for as long as it lasted that's a different story
wet compass
I have plenty of DR options sometimes you just need actual health gain Kyrian is very useful to have
narrow sparrow
is 30% blocked melee hits for H Sire awful?
chilly brook
Yes
wet compass
Yeah seems fairly bad but hard to tell what's going on without logs
trim bay
hey guys, is bursting classed as magic dmg. can we use reflect for 20% dmg reduction?
trim bay
sweet making sure i wasnt wasting them. pug life. wtf is a cleanse would be the reply. thanks for the answer 🙂
unique shale
any idea which one cause top ones are minor upgrade but middle ones are big
sweet summit
If u dont have a 226 weapon yet id take that
unique shale
i have ilvl 200 weapon
trim bay
does the love is in the air items work in raid/key?
ocean bloom
oh yeah weapon for sure
unique shale
which enchantment are you guys using on weapon ?
sweet summit
Celestial
jagged pier
light whatever its called
unique shale
vigor no use ?
narrow sparrow
@chilly brook can you send me that log or is it private?
restive flax
So uh... How are our feelings about the PTR 
jagged pier
gives mastery
sweet summit
Less shit
wet compass
weapon for sure unless you can get to 2100 easily but man would suck to pass up that 226 decanter
sweet summit
Still dont like it
chilly brook
So uh... How are our feelings about the PTR <:fuckingtrash:742631092229767220>
Some people think it's the next coming of Christ, others think it's a wait and see game
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
restive flax
Huh
jagged pier
if i have to refarm reknown ima be pissed
sweet summit
You literally
restive flax
I mean it looks like Pelagos but only every 2 minutes rather than 1
chilly brook
But I think I'll be safe
chilly brook
Cuz I'm gonna be a dps boi now
wet compass
it still takes a good amount of farming
jagged pier
Playing the game
can u tell that to my alts?
sweet summit
My alt is 30 🤷
chilly brook
Playing the game
But I need duelist now!
wet compass
I had to reroll because guild died and new guild wanted a warrior when I had started as dh/monk this xpac it took a good week and a half of a lot of play
jagged pier
My alt is 30 🤷
mine arnet problem with it being a random chance i guess
chilly brook
All of my alts are either 30 or mid 20s