Can't even make fun of NA anymore when EU has choked back to back RWFs
#protection
chilly brook
i make fun of anything i want to
Feelseuman
last mason
@sweet summit would you mind trying that pointed courage buff line in the sim i linked
for some reason i cant get it to read my input as valid
youd think if they have survival hunter conduit toggles in basic sim options theyd have a dropdown for this trait lol
idle bone
What is the best tank legendary to make for prot?
undone sun
sweet summit
@last mason im kinda mid raid, but i have no idea
tired cove
I feel like my threat has been ass lately anyone else ?
cunning parcel
Yeh it's a nightmare on pull
last mason
@sweet summit i think i figured it out if ur at all curious in the future, ik ur busy rn
sweet summit
let me see
last mason
hmm i take it back maybe
shadowlands.pointed_courage_nearby=5
the sim runs with that, but it spits out the same result
unless it really is somehow 200 dps behind combat med and a single potency
running with nearby=0 rn to check
last mason
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7NzemynHfemGxJxxTdggtJ hmm alright, this is with the value set to 0 though
and its the same as with it set to 5
i must be doing something wrong
see
deep steppe
it may not be 226 but, we made it bois
last mason
yes
specifically combat med/1 potency vs pointed courage
i have it at 5t5min bc im focusing on m+
midnight jetty
is prot the weakest in terms of tank damage?
strong forum
yes
midnight jetty
our main raid has dh and prot pally and im doing like 1k-0.5k less than them
ok
ty
strong forum
pwar does the least tank damage
last mason
bdk probs worse lol
midnight jetty
hopefully it increases next patch
jagged pier
upgrade?
jagged pier
6% haste loss tho
jagged pier
i like my haste π¦
midnight jetty
whats ur current cd on block
lavish oracle
Honestly I lost ~6% on my rings and neck over the last couple weeks and thought I would miss it more but honestly haven't noticed it too much
I'm still at like 25% though
midnight jetty
its only like a second or two less reduction on block? not a massive difference when comparing the amount of stats u get on the 226 one plus socket
im on 36%, too much xD?
lavish oracle
Yeah, I was at like 32% last week, I lost haste and gained mastery/vers and I feel like I'm doing way better damage now
might also just be because it's a better week for keys in general, though
midnight jetty
keys are way better this week than last for sure
ive only got 9% crit, deffo need more
lavish oracle
I've been doing almost DH numbers in some dungeons this week π
did like 3.6k in a wake not counting weapon/kyrian exhaust damage
midnight jetty
what are ur stats like
lavish oracle
lemme check
ember marsh
noob
lavish oracle
I dunno, nothing super out of the ordinary
midnight jetty
yeah, could probably use some more crit my self
thats with into the fray, currently in raid
shrewd basalt
Probably a noob question but Upgrade Conduits or Add Sockets have saved all my stygia?
Wrong chat sorry haha
lavish oracle
You can sim the difference
sweet summit
i did sockets first
lavish oracle
but yeah, that assumes you get the conduit you want
sweet summit
kinda depends on if you are happy with the gear you already have
ember marsh
if u multispec conduits could be good
urban portal
Does hungering destroyer miasma stop ignore pain?
strong forum
i dont think so
jagged pier
could get insta absorbed
urban portal
Because all sources of healing increase increase ignore pain amount
So I was wondering if the opposite is the same
urban portal
According to icyveins
strong forum
where
vague jetty
You are reading that wrong
urban portal
Yeah that's what I meant
urban portal
So if healing increases make ignore pain bigger
strong forum
vers makes IP bigger, not healing
vague jetty
miasma stops incoming healing
urban portal
But no other sources of healing increase would increase the absorb size of ignore pain
strong forum
yes
urban portal
Like say torghast stuff
jagged pier
Perfect HP value
urban portal
There are torg buffs that says "increase healing and damage done" but its not vers
vague jetty
if it said
Increases absorption effects, then maybe, but I don't think there are many of those at all
ionic fern
ignore pain is an absorb
Versatility is inside IP formula.
vague jetty
but it says healing
urban portal
I see
urban portal
It does
If vers is in the formula then it's easier to understand why it's a specific case
ionic fern
that is completely off topic
It's not "Off topic" it's so people understand the meaning behind it and where it's coming from.
vague jetty
I literally had just said, vers will increase IP
mighty valley
the added confusion is that IP shows up under healing done on most logs, meters etc
vague jetty
how is that confusion, power word shield will show under healing done ^_^, is it healing
mighty valley
i'm saying that's one way that people might come to the conclusion that healing done buffs would affect IP
lavish oracle
Does indomitable benefit from healing increases?
mighty valley
not sure but I'd hope so, it's literal healing
lavish oracle
Yeah, but it's % health so I'm not sure how they interact
hardy radish
any changes to the "standard" talent tree if you're doing low keys and just want to pump a little?
chilly brook
hardy radish
meaning, like, 3/2/2/2/2/3/3
chilly brook
@jagged pier
mighty valley
AM over Bolster... that's probably all I'd change
jagged pier
my thoughts exactly @chilly brook
ionic fern
meaning, like, 3/2/2/2/2/3/3
If the key is low enough and enemies die fast then DR+AM+Signet most likely.
Otherwise just BV+AM+Signet
chilly brook
Otherwise just BV+AM+Signet
Nah nah nah fam
ionic fern
Je, i guess BSC can also work if you can dump the majority of rage into Revenges.
I actually ran that on beta. π
hardy radish
fuck it i'll try bsc I literally have not touched it yet in SL lol
sweet summit
or is it still plenty good without ravager
doesnt work with ravager, but its alright
bs is poggers
lavish oracle
Anyone else building reverb for when we can eventually use 2 leggos π
chilly brook
I just dislike bladestorm as prot a lot
Since it doesn't seem to generate rage really
At least not in torg
lavish oracle
If they ever fix signet/prot Ravager it'd be lit
My problem with signet in torg is that I'll also have the avatar duration buff
hardy radish
for real I actually hate bladestorm in torg lol
lavish oracle
And it leaves me bladestorming for like 20 seconds
hardy radish
let us pummel dammit
chilly brook
bs is poggers
Speaking of BS I only ever cancel on fury in single target if I can condemn or if I'm gonna cap on rage right?
sweet summit
BAYBLADE BAYBLADE LET IT RIP
chilly brook
It actually feels so good on fury
strong forum
let it rip
chilly brook
Kinda nuts
sweet summit
fury feels great with signet
verbal pelican
i like how this guy being the nr1 prot warr in the world is rocking venthyr just cause he likes it, no matter that the spell he gets is essentially garbage
Anyways, is there any obvious reason why do The Wall on shoulders haste/vers besides shoulders looking nice and vers being scarce on pve gear?
solemn magnet
Shoulders get more stats than the other option and harder to get as good shoulder else where
patent osprey
i like how this guy being the nr1 prot warr in the world is rocking venthyr jus...
True, the guy doesn't give a Fk
Who need a covenant anyways
chilly brook
True, the guy doesn't give a Fk
I thought you did it because you were dps in raids and because someone had to be venth in keys
patent osprey
True
for DPS
big true
for in keys, I risk wiping my group every time i have to hit the venthyr lantern with 10 mobs beating my ass
blazing condor
just me or is DoS fucking painful this week
cinder storm
It depends how you approach some packs but yes, it kinda feels painful
solemn magnet
It's painful every week
timber lagoon
Yup
blazing condor
even with/without CC and urn its incredibly annoying
timber lagoon
The ring of death
strong forum
The important one is shadowcore
timber lagoon
First pack is fine with big pull and lust
timber lagoon
Second pack I get fucking bodied
strong forum
1st pull is last stand + all offensive CDs
strong forum
2nd pull is always Get aggro with SW up, reflect shadowcore
Then peace the fuck out
patent osprey
1st pack I just nuke it in the pack, 2nd pack I cc it cause it has a shadowcaster guy
DOS isn't that bad , just gotta control a little bit more
cinder storm
You have to dash in and jump out in less than 3 secs with some defensives and never look back
patent osprey
Dont be afraid to CC inspiring in DOS
blazing condor
la di da this guy got gear
patent osprey
we CC almost everyone
strong forum
cinder storm
I was melted in like 4 secs on a 16
blazing condor
problem with CC on second pack is that they all pull and its wonky to get them out and sitll have aggro
at least it was the one time i tried
blazing condor
which corner?
blazing condor
can you LOS there or just follow?
patent osprey
just follow
blazing condor
dont remember how it looks
patent osprey
if u pull from there
range can kick
the first kick on shadow caster
without it being inspired
strong forum
Ah right, inspiring
timber lagoon
Then SW, get aggro and peace tf out?
strong forum
Pmuch
The small skellies do a magic strike
Without a cast time
It hits for absurd amounts
timber lagoon
Wtb magic mitigation
solemn magnet
You lust the first big pack?
tardy parcel
generally the timing lines up with coming off cd for hakkar
timber lagoon
Exactly
solemn magnet
Cool
tardy parcel
^ that
solemn magnet
Yeah, I'd clear platforms to mill house wing then back to hakkar
rancid ember
@strong forum What lvl keys u running these days?
solemn magnet
I've been doing the 2 dudes at the top of the stairs then the bottom cuz we haven't been lusting. I'll try doing them together with lust
strong forum
I don't push
So I'm just doing chill 15-17s
Faceroll keys mostly, anything more isn't worth it
rancid ember
I hear ya was just curious. I never lusted 1st pack but I play with a rogue pretty often so we usually shroud skip past the 2nd big pack and go straight to Hakkar's room and 20% pride into Hakkar + Lust
When I pug I do the double back, but didn't think to get lust on CD xd
mighty valley
yeah you might as well, when you clear to do 40% pride on hakkar lust is back unless you're steamrolling
in which case who care
rancid ember
Yeah just for efficiency I hear ya TIL
mighty valley
also lets you save defensives for the second pack a little easier
blazing condor
yeah you dont need to blast LS and SW
rancid ember
Haha I hung up my War for now π VDH these days
blazing condor
i wish i would play alts
ive literally just played warr since cata
i dont think im doing this game right
mighty valley
i don't mind leveling alts, then i hit max and see 3 renown and i deflate
cinder storm
Is there anyway to upgrade piercing verdict? I cannot seem to find any information about it
strong forum
200 you get from World boss
Other than that, from calling or buying upgrades from venthari
ember marsh
Necrotic Wake
Nalthor the Rimebinder
Championβs Boon duration increased to 30 seconds (was 15 seconds).
wtf was this ability
cinder storm
@strong forum thanks, been going to world bosses for a while, guess I m just unlucky
ember marsh
yeah its kidna shitty
u can only get upgrades for covenant ability from callings or world boss
realistically anyways
cinder storm
beats my 145
ember marsh
yes u can get from venari but ye
tardy parcel
wtf was this ability
I think it's a buff that players get when they get through the lil gauntlet
I had to Google it though lol
timber lagoon
That actually might speed that fight up a little
tardy parcel
Yea I was thinking that as well. I had no idea it even existed
cinder storm
lol
ember marsh
lmao did they really typo it
low kindle
can you get 226 spear conduit from callings? I'm guessing no
ember marsh
no callings have a capped ilvl idk if the "world quest reward upgrades" upgrades that
blazing condor
you cant kyrian bursting right?
ocean bloom
are we using stones or oils ? ive been using oils have i been throwing lol
chilly brook
Oils for single target
stable kestrel
Whatβs peoples opinions on NF Prot Warriors?
stable kestrel
Iβve heard stones for pst unless you have low gear.
chilly brook
Sims would tell you
tired cove
Anyone in here 3 tanked council of blood on mythic ?
stable kestrel
Thanks, been Ventyr from the Juno because I main Fury but trying to pick the best covenant for a warrior overall.
chilly brook
I mean Venthyr isn't bad
It's best for both dps specs and its not horrid for tanking
Just condemn doesn't hold value for prot in aoe situations
stable kestrel
I also run a lot of keys and ventyr isnβt the best for keys.
Idk, just checking out my options.
stable kestrel
Really
ocean bloom
one thing i dont like about kyrian prot is that the opener gets too much rage lol
avatar + demo + spear + charge i just cant spend it fast enough on revenge and if im not tanking boss 1st i dont wanna press ip lol
chilly brook
I mean
It's better to press IP than to cap
Another avatar cast is better than a few revenges
ocean bloom
true true
i usually get 1 in before i stabilize lol
but imagine if i could press condemn
stable kestrel
Itβs a nice rage dump if you can hold back from not using it at the beginning for instant threat. Lol
ocean bloom
my DH offtank pumps too
silver trout
I say spam it anyways
ocean bloom
why is this emote called what it is?
ocean bloom
ahhh i figured it out
tardy parcel
#17 said fk taking sides
chilly brook
Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
Dont need a covenant to push really
It helps but it doesnt make the spec
sick sentinel
45 SA away from TW 4
patent osprey
the ones missing covs are Chinese cause it doesn't track on Chinese api
but they do have a cov lol
sick sentinel
i'm way behind, still have a calling, missions, 600 anima, souls quest left to do before log
and i only got a +7 or something weak done this week
heavy sail
Hurry and do a +10
sick sentinel
i don't want anything to do with that tornadoe affix
sick sentinel
that tornadoe is the pug destroyer
heavy sail
Storming does next to nothing mane
sick sentinel
well, i went into it last time it was up, and i don't want to ever go through that again
deft sapphire
Storming is only bad on particular packs or bosses where having storming overlap with a mechanic can fuck you or make it hard to dodge something
tardy parcel
the ones missing covs are Chinese cause it doesn't track on Chinese api
Oh, interesting. I would've never made that connection lol
sick sentinel
i dunno, i ran spires and after i saw the tornadoes and realized what they were, they were killing like 1.5 dps per trash
tardy parcel
storming is kind of a fuck on last boss of halls
sick sentinel
and the timer just sank
reality of high 14-15 keys is it involves all 5 players having okay gear, and more importantly knowing exactly what to do at any second, and it's just something beyond my level of skill currently
as soon as someone stands in something they aren't supposed to and takes too much damage, healer may have to focus that person to keep them alive and you wipe cuz of that.
mighty valley
yeah, i mean, the average awareness of most wow players is pretty low
and in tight corridors, with wow's usual visual clarity, even good players miss them
overall i think storming is on the lower end of bad affixes, more annoying than it is actually harmful, but i'm not surprised when pugs struggle with it
native coyote
tank + 3 melee gives many tornados in a tight space sometimes ...but more annoying than actually damaging
sick sentinel
one of the keys to success is to try to have players only attack from behind, whenever possible, and using hard LOS to quickly get mobs stacked in one location for fast killing
if the dps are attacking from behind, and the enemy casts a spell on them or whatever, the enemy will turn at that player directly, so, hopefully they see something is going to happen to them
hard fulcrum
Hey guys, is ravager good? Or should I talent in a different one for prot warriors?
sick sentinel
it gives alot of rage and follows enemies a bit, so yes
hard fulcrum
Awesome, thanks. What do you talent in on your war @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
the only other valid option in that row is ITF (more haste) which you use with TW lego, and AM talent
signal plover
Ravager in m+, itf in raid
hard fulcrum
Ahhh
signal plover
Higher res version is pinned
hard fulcrum
Cool, makes sense, and tyvm!
sick sentinel
spam the hell out of SR too
-20% magic dmg incoming and reflect an XYZ bolt targeted on u
mighty valley
top is one of the comfiest dungeons to me
i guess maybe the timer isn't the most forgiving but it just seems to have less big fuckups
also, more nerfs inc
thank god for DOS timer
plain vapor
sick sentinel
what screws the timer in top is the tornadoe section because if they die, they need to release, and do all the portals, and on the final one with adds, if you go early, or not as a full group its easy for someone to get knocked off
also, to lesser is abomb trash puts negative damage/healing on you which can stack to 100% negative damage, so you do literal 1 -4's it's a disease cast by small adds. you can kite it or dispel it (not all healer have ability to dispell all types of debuffs)
you can catch pat on the 2nd room of arena boss, and that is normally a wipe for me.
mighty valley
tough one, think i'd stick with sin stained because you'll feel that haste loss
but noble's will definitely spit out more damage
ocean bloom
yeah
unique shale
i tend to die on certain pulls
unique shale
let me pull some pic on which packs
amber herald
the maze mobs do nothing, the bugs in the bit before final boss have a nasty dot but that's more of a healer mechanic
mighty valley
yeah, mists is mostly so easy that it's cool to take the bad drust packs slow, cc the inspiring one and pull the rest away
it's good to kite when the soulcleavers turn blue, they heal when they hit you then
deft sapphire
some of the caster mobs at the start, if you can sync up their casts with a shockwave (on non inspiring weeks) you can actualy SR both their casts
its kinda niche
mighty valley
but it's a tight area, be careful not to kite into another pack lol
amber herald
killing the ambushers?
mighty valley
focus the ambusher, let its webbing cast go off since it's wasting time not spawning stealthlings
unique shale
its not about ambushers its about range one who one shot healer or dps
mighty valley
try and storm bolt the stealthling cast, if it gets off, find them and aoe cc them
oh, never had a big problem with the ranged ones
versed nexus
Random question. i'm ilvl 203, which M+ should i shoot for? 7?
i've been running 4/5s with no issues
unique shale
Random question. i'm ilvl 203, which M+ should i shoot for? 7?
10 and 11 should be easy
mighty valley
Just keep pushing up til it's too hard... your ilvl can be kinda low if the rest of the group is buff
amber herald
I've checked MDT and it's probably this if ranged are dying
face him away
he also does a spell just called shoot
unique shale
face him away
like i go near and try to make him to look at me ?
amber herald
just tank the pack with your back towards the pool
so when he does the cone it only hits you
unique shale
ok got it thx
amber herald
I usually make that my target anyway because he spawns an add that needs interuppting
it's easy to miss compared to the big bubble the other mob does
also if you haven't got the addon mythic dungeon tools download it as it'll let you right click mobs and see what they do
very useful for when everyone's just falling over and you don't know why
unique shale
and for spire what can i do about kyrain dark praetor ?
i keep SR and stun it but each cast hurt a lot
amber herald
literally everything in spires needs kicking so if dps are slacking you're doomed
unique shale
amber herald
don't think the mob is dark praetor those are the robotic ones that zip around
oh no sorry they do do a cast I just checked
unique shale
it is better to kill last add with bl,spear and pride or is it too much ?
amber herald
no that's the strat everyone does on high fortified
except pride? idk I usually get it after that guy but it doesn't really matter
pride might be too much but the rest is fine
unique shale
i saw one of streamers tried to kill it with all of those
amber herald
Do what's best for your group comp I don't really think it matters
last boss of spires is more of a mechanic boss than a dps race anyway
I've always lusted and speared that last mob
tho
unique shale
yup one time i got pride for last add and everybody just flamed me
amber herald
yeah dps get mad when they don't get to big chungus the boss
unique shale
for those add is it better to cc inspi one and pull ?
amber herald
Always cc the inspire if you can
it's just trouble otherwise unless the inspired is easily nuked down or the pack hasn't got anything worth interuppting anyway
unique shale
accept one that heal
amber herald
don't always have to cc though, can be occasions where the inspired is ranged and the rest of the pack is melee so you can let the inspired mob free cast in the back
On the tender packs the heal can be dispelled so it's not that huge
someone in your group needs to get good on that
unique shale
π€ let's getem to 14 before weekly resat
mighty valley
dark praetors are the ones that dash away and start casting, right? they'll stop casting if you get back into melee range with them
just move the whole pack back to them every time they dash
unique shale
dark praetors are the ones that dash away and start casting, right? they'll stop...
yup but if i ganna move all time it would be harder for dps to dps
mighty valley
they can suck it up, it's not that far
unique shale
ok
amber herald
see it as a free 20 rage
unique shale
lol
deft sapphire
for those add is it better to cc inspi one and pull ?
depends on your dps if they can just burst them down or if you have a dispel for the healing buff, priests mass dispel should get rid of the nourish on everything even if you cant kick it
deft sapphire
i think shamans and mages can purge it too but it takes them 5 gcds or whateevr
so thats kinda aids
slender idol
how do you deal with the large staghorns regen/shield thing going off in mists if you have no CC for the inspired mob?
deft sapphire
you can have someone kite/taunt the inspired mob away
you can purge the shields too
or just burst down the inspired mob
amber herald
isn't the inspired mob on that pack just the non-elite baby one?
deft sapphire
sometimes if you get a bad pull you can get the flying guys come in too
and thats inspired
amber herald
oh yeah those fuckers
deft sapphire
but yeah i didn't have too much of a problem in mists, theres not that much
theater is by far the worst dungeon for inspiring imo
nimble drift
revenge more
unique shale
idk is it enough or should i do more than this ?
mighty valley
need to see logs, every dungeon is a different length
limpid tide
I mean what your ilvl even angel
unique shale
211
mighty valley
btw I think I would always do higher ilvl shield
amber herald
get the higher ilvl shield
limpid tide
Maybe it could be higher but like harrow thinking, you b having hard time discerning if your damage gud less you can compare what you what orange to orange
amber herald
you want the armour and block
unique shale
this is off topic
sick sentinel
wrong server
amber herald
well I liked it
dusky sentinel
So like. Can u intervene and cast SR so that u reflect the spell cast on others?
orchid mural
Sigh. been declined to approx 30 15 + keys (SD and DOS). last i need for KSM. the hate is real.
barren socket
do I get more value using unstoppable force with thunderlord? or ravager still better
karmic scroll
BLUEBOI
potent anvil
Grats
ocean bloom
i would think the kite potenial and ranged dmg of kyrian might be best for your high keys but idk
patent osprey
@unique shale I will be back venthyr eventually
But I want to experiment and have fun
Can't give good advice unless I try out the covs
ill probably be both kyrian + Nightfae in the next month
mighty valley
guess who just climbed one spot up the Top Venthyr Prot Warriors On Emerald Dream rankings...
woeful vine
lol
i got to 34th last night, then i didn't really do much today so i'm back at 40th
thin nexus
do warriors have a site like wingisup or similar?
last mason
are the nerfs in?
missed a dos timer and now io saying i timed it
and gave me score
deft sapphire
NF or Kyrian, what do you guys think?!
fairy
theres no way its not omegabis for m+
woeful vine
its finally done bois
congrats
deep steppe
tyty
dense flame
hollow bolt
haughty sleet
I missed dos timer by 1 minute earlier today, now raiderio is giving me credit for timing it
Will that count towards ksm retroactively?
vestal moat
doubt it. That's on blizzard's end.
haughty sleet
Figured it was a long shot
chilly brook
NF or Kyrian, what do you guys think?!
For tanking honestly pretty hard to beat NF imho in m+
idle bone
Hows raid going everyone?
Wow ignore me π€£
I meant to put that I to my other discord
clever bronze
Is there a significant drop chance difference for Thunderlord in higher difficulties, or should I just spam Normals?
deep steppe
ty ty all β€οΈ
deft sapphire
Is there a significant drop chance difference for Thunderlord in higher difficul...
Higher difficulties have a significantly higher chance of dropping dungeon leggos
visual gate
@clever bronze it has higher drop rate in higher diff, but its not obv by how much
id still just bang some dungeons tho
clever bronze
I was asking because if it was significant, is it worth spending between 30m-1h and risking a failed key just trying to get a group into Spires alone vs an instant dungeon queue in a much faster difficulty.
remote dawn
Anima Field Emitter and scale Good m+ Trinkets ?
smoky wave
Anima Field Emitter and scale Good m+ Trinkets ?
Both good. Staple that scale on. Its great.
plush pollen
dude when they gon buff us
deep steppe
Anima Field Emitter and scale Good m+ Trinkets ?
also yeah, thats what i've been running, feelsgoodman
plush pollen
so do you think we're not underperforming?
I mean like I'm def feeling issues with aggro and damage mitigation
blissful thicket
sanguine vintage is just a meme trinket
deep steppe
They could buff our damage slightly to make it more inline with other tanks, since thats low but
surviving wise I feel is pretty gucci
modern brook
Dont be content
If we pretend like were bad long enough well get buffs like we did in bfa
chilly brook
sanguine vintage is just a meme trinket
Wat??
Sanguine Vintage is actually good lmao
lavish oracle
One of, if not the best, defensive trinkets
Obviously, it's got no offensive benefit so if that's something you value then I guess don't use it
I hope I get a shield tomorrow
strong forum
I hope I get tmog!!
strong forum
Killed artificer yesterday after swapping to speed kill strat
So I have a chance to get one of the 3 pieces im missing
jagged pier
i know
sweet summit
Legs too or
jagged pier
yet i dont get loot drops
sweet summit
Oh true
sweet summit
Boots from shiekwing
strong forum
I hope I get belt, its actually an upgrade
sweet summit
Boe gloves 
strong forum
Yup
jagged pier
had the belt like 3 times in vault
strong forum
Gib
sweet summit
strong forum
Honestly though
Lusting artificer on pull makes the boss so fucking easy
Takes away half the mechanics of the fight
Only 1 hard set of seeds
And the boss is dead
jagged pier
dont know what we are doing but we always struggle to reclear artifcer
strong forum
It's so stupid easy
You skip first spirits because of phasing boss
So the first mechanic you get is spirits + seed overlap
Then it's 1st suck + seeds/spirits
Then 40sec of nothing until another suck + spirits into late seeds
Then he's basically dead cuz it's only single spirits or single seeds no overlaps
After those singular mechanics is another 40sec of nothing
Literally free
ionic fern
Hello dear Blizzard,
Please fix M+ loot.
Thank you.
ionic fern
215 ilvl
Do 17-18 keys
Tiny amount of anima or a 210 item.
YISS.
jagged pier
ionic fern
I got like..15k of it.
Not doing anything with it. π
I WANT to push keys...but then i do some higher keys..and then i get a grim reminder of "Why am i doing this?"
sweet surge
M+ pushing is for sport at this point
strong forum
Is a good way to make you hate your life
ionic fern
^ can confirm.
Although there are some good meme moments when a boomy for example drops treants on gargoyle right before he casts the bleed so he turns around and smacks the melee DPS'ers with it.
strong forum
Okay that just fun
ionic fern
- all the things party members say.
Like "Don't kite this full magic damage pack while we do 0 interrupts".
Should do a section of "What my Party says"
ionic fern
Always blame the tank. π
strong forum
Yup
If in doubt, blame Nomer
Always works in raid
If in doubt, blame the cloud.
βοΈ
ionic fern
I've been getting a lot of "Wow, never seen a Prot Warrior" as well as of late..mostly on like ~17 keys.
patent osprey
I've been getting a lot of "Wow, never seen a Prot Warrior" as well as of late.....
same lol
strong forum
I was surprised when I boosted keys nobody said a word about me being pwar
ionic fern
Once it came from a MW..i was like.."ugh...i've never seen a MW do m+".
strong forum
Except, "it's refreshing to see anything other than a vdh"
ionic fern
Jeah.
On like 15-16 keys people are quiet about it. . . or you can't get into the group because "Sorry, VDH only".
lavish oracle
I get a lot of healers who compliment how easy I am to heal because apparently most of the fotm vdhs don't know how to play, lol
ionic fern
Who would have guessed. π
We are beefy when played properly. π¦
Just give us more damage.
lavish oracle
Yeah, our defensive toolkit is still sick
turbid cargo
lol I still get turned down for like, 12-14 keys every once and a while (as 220ilvl equipped) for being a war
reminds me why I don't pug
lavish oracle
I feel like if we ever do damage we're like instant meta in a few dungeons
turbid cargo
honestly, agreed
lavish oracle
Spell reflect still does like 10% of my overall in some dungeons
HoA in particular
ionic fern
SR'i ng the worms in SoA and watch the DPS skyrocket.
lavish oracle
Yes
turbid cargo
HoA in particular
spell reflect on the serpent packs ftw
lavish oracle
It's not as good this week because of inspiring
But like shockwave to line them all up and you easily do like 20k DPS on the 5 serpent pack, haha
I just want to be as meta as monk is right now
ionic fern
It's easy not to be meta tho..just write to all the top r.io players and tell them"Tell your stream Prot Warrior is bad please".
lavish oracle
Or like we were at the end of S1 BFA where people realized we were unkillable in Freehold, and did top DPS on some bosses
That's the perfect amount of spotlight
blazing condor
too bad everyone would just run BDK in s1
lavish oracle
People started to catch on near the end
ionic fern
I actually was thinking of leveling up a BDK or a Monk.
Still not fully sure which of them. π¦
lavish oracle
Monks more fun to me, hate bdk
outer solstice
yeah but monk is pretty close to warrior on a very general level
mitigation > selfheal
outer solstice
even if the tech is different
outer solstice
yeah but so is warrior mobility
lavish oracle
I'm sure someone gets a kick out of gorefiends, I guess
Slappy hands is pretty funny too, I guess
When do you think we'll see a tank tuning pass?
outer solstice
when it's off in Raid
lavish oracle
Every time I think about pally mitigation it just makes me sad
outer solstice
pally damage makes me sad
lavish oracle
Those poor squishy pink bois
Ardent Defender is like Demo Shout on a 2 minute CD
SotR gives them as much armor as we run around with on the regular
Alright, that's a bit of an exaggeration but only a bit
ionic fern
It's fine. They do stupid DPS so enemies die faster.
π
I'm actually enjoying Paladin.
The only thing i'm not enjoying is the mobility.
But stuff like Freedom/BoP/Disease dispells etc is great.
lavish oracle
I mean it feels great to play until damage intake becomes relevant
There will never be a button as satisfying as divine toll
strong forum
I actually was thinking of leveling up a BDK or a Monk.
Still not fully sure whi...
Bear
strong forum
Bear
ionic fern
I've mostly only played Warrior also..Paladin is fun when i log on it from time to time..and now i need a 3rd tank. π
strong forum
I like how bfa and SL did a turnaround on what's stopping you from playing alts
ionic fern
Oh, Frost Mage is also fun..as long as tanks don't move enemies out of frozen orb.
Smh
strong forum
Bfa was chores and catching up on borrowed power
SL it's gear but not catching up except a bit of Ash
ionic fern
"Gear". π
I'm still 215 on my Warrior.
strong forum
Exactly
ionic fern
It's atleast easier to play alts..cause there's nothing to do on mains now that m+ is..what it is.
I was actually thinking of leveling something to 60 on Classic just for TBC.
lavish oracle
When's the next incredibly bad M+ week?
ionic fern
π
lavish oracle
Like a month from now?
ionic fern
^
lavish oracle
I mean, sure but I'm gonna play this week to see how the nerf is
Next really bad one I'll probably level my DH finally
karmic scroll
tyr is nerfed now right
valid zodiac
How much was it nerfed? 10% hp?
karmic scroll
40% hp buff to 30%
nimble drift
whats the good site for seeing mythic + shit
karmic scroll
eager phoenix
https://mplus.subcreation.net/ for class, lego, covs, trinkets, soulbinds, conduits etc
nimble drift
Timed 4 15s this week
Halfway there :)
Did all of them tonight too lol
I swear id have this shit already if i wasnt lazy haha. I just dont like m+ that much
Shit is stressful
lunar perch
Hey, at least Tyrannical bosses have 30% hp increase instead of 40% now :D
strong forum
It's defo a step in the right direction
Makes tyr dungeons around 1min shorter on average
sweet surge
Has anyone tested Fueled by Violence conduit? THe one that heals you for X% of dmg done from DWounds? Looks mighty bugged on dummies at least
101.5K dmg done from DW, 1.5K healing from the conduit 
sweet summit
Ya its bad
sweet surge
I'd be okay if it works
strong forum
It's essentially 2% leech
sweet surge
Okay, it works on world mobs
strong forum
Treat that as you will
sweet surge
It's around 11% of my damgur
From my napkin math, Brutal Vitality + Fueled by Violence is around... 250k to 300k healing per dungeroni. Not bad, not great
ionic fern
Jeh, i think Sense tested it in a dungeon setting as well and said they both did around 140k . Obviously depends on a lot of variables like how much you kite/use IP, pulls etc.
sweet surge
It's kind of sad how mediocre at best all our conduit options are
Finesse ones at least are okay
ionic fern
Agreed..really unfortunate. π¦
sweet surge
Though, to be perfectly honest, perhaps all conduits are just meh?
but nah, my mage friend has pretty blaster ones
like, legit +10% or something on flamestrike or whatever
thats insane
eager phoenix
rally and intervene seems way stronger as dps/pvp but feel less enticing as tank. not often im intervening to mitigate phys dmg in dungeon. but maybe something i should be doing more? sw cd, cov ability if nf/kyr are nice but about it as far as ive tried things out. last stand rage juice is fine i guess. looking at bear covs there is just way more cool shit
sweet surge
intervene one is pretty good
I try to use it as much as possible
for the DR
even if not actually intervening physical attacks
ionic fern
Intervene is actually stupid strong π
sweet surge
rally one is okay too, but it's just too long a CD to feel good
sure, it's 30% stronger... once every 3mins. And you're not popping rally every 3mins
because it's not a DPS cooldown and requires strategic use
ionic fern
Most of our Conduit choices are.."Pick the least horrible one out of the horrible ones".
sweet surge
I feel like our legendaries are mediocre at best too
ionic fern
Like running double Potency is mostly Covenant specific one + Show of Force..which is lackluster on it's own but the other choices are even more lackluster. π
sweet surge
Show of Force I've got 226 ilvl of. It's. So. Damn. Bad
mostly because TC hits like a noodle now
safe sable
I feel like our legendaries are mediocre at best too
Let's be honest, everything about our spec is mediocre at best atm
sweet summit
Sir
jagged pier
π€
ionic fern
Our mitigation is solid. π¦
sweet summit
Battle Shout
jagged pier
phyiscal mitigation
eager phoenix
im not just sure how to get a finesse slot as Pelagos? before LGotP is the best choice i feel. but would intervene/rally beat rage juice during LS? I usually default Focusing Mantra over Phial of Patience
ionic fern
I'm not using a finesse on Pelagos tbh
jagged pier
same
sweet surge
eager phoenix
yeah
sweet surge
you can dbl finesse if you want easily
eager phoenix
ofc, but im saying phial of patience isnt that hot
ionic fern
For raiding you can swap it around but for m+ i see no real reason for it.
eager phoenix
best solution would be road of trials to get 2x endurance, settle for 1 potency for spear dmg and then go finesse before lgotp
sweet surge
you can adapt to it
eager phoenix
might be worth fucking around with it more in practice ofc
eager phoenix
yeah, stalwart is a lock. 100%.
sweet surge
I mean, it can easily be better for sure
jagged pier
and i run 2x potency 2x endurance
sweet surge
I don't see it as clearly cut I guess. Yes, -30CDR on SW sounds enticing, and it is pretty decent (mostly because the rest are dog), but SW is not really a CD I press willy-nilly myself
So it's entirely possible that the CDR actually goes to waste
jagged pier
i mean even without the wall SW should be part of your rotation
its a mitigation tool not an oh shit button
sweet surge
These other two, while meh overall, at least have full uptime value
Yes, of course, but I play M+ only
sweet surge
Yes, but you're missing my point
or rather, I haven't made it yet I guess
Say you pull Pack A. It's a huge pull. You LS and SW etc to live. Then you have Pack B, which is small and you have no CDs. Then comes Pack C. You've got LS but not SW. Pack C is big and dangerous and you would've liked to have SW there. On to Pack D. You have SW now, but the pull is small so it's irrelevant
And so, by the time you reach Pack E, SW has already been sat ready for 30s+
That's what I meant anyway π
jagged pier
why would u use LS and SW at the same time tho?
sweet summit
He didnt say that did he
jagged pier
and maybe its just falling on deaf ears i play the wall
so i have no issue with SW not being around when i need it
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ionic fern
Eyyyyy, Thunder squad.
sweet surge
Imo, The Wall is a bit overrated, but that's how I personally feel only
jagged pier
when i have the soul ash ill upgrade my TL and see how i feel but i just like the consistent rage tbh, i already underuse my SW in dungeons
ionic fern
I'm just swapping between them tbh. I still prefer TL more tho.
sweet surge
From my PoV, it's more about having a reliable, low-CD medium-level mitigation in the face of Demo
in higher fortified keys, I'll often have it twice per pack, sometimes even more
sweet surge
20%
sweet surge
Bolster lowers your LS cd by 1min and makes it block for the 15s duration
sweet surge
Fiery Brand-type of nutty?
blazing condor
π€
sweet surge
the talent gives you 40 rage and 20% dmg increase on affected targets
sweet surge
back in the dark ages, Booming Voice was a talent in the Fury tree increasing the duration of Battle Shout 
back when BShout was like 1min duration 
ionic fern
Diddn't it also affect Demo Shout?
sweet surge
could be, been a while π
blazing condor
"De Other Side
[With regional restarts] Mythic Keystone timer increased to 43 minutes (was 41 minutes).
Hakkar
[With regional restarts] Son of Hakkar melee damage reduced by 50%.
[With regional restarts] Blood Nova damage reduced by 20%.
Dealer Xy'exa
[With regional restarts] Arcane Lightning damage reduced by 25%"
lets fuckin gooo
sweet surge
Now let's hope they bring Sanguine Depths in line
blazing condor
yeah true tbh
i feel like as long as you can do the platforms you'll time the key
rest of the dungeon is p easy
sweet surge
I just keep moving on the skellies, prevents them from landing Bonestrike/Trollguard
ionic fern
Jeah, there are definitely ways to prevent it but the idea of having such an ability in the first place is just ...dumb.
blazing condor
ive noticed that ive usually just died to the casters, but thats a pug-problem rather than dungeon
too many casts going off whilst you need to kite
sweet surge
yeah I'd just recommend you pop everything on 1st pull, skip 2nd by jumping down the platform and play the rager w/ the Urn
then do 2nd w/ CDs back up again
in a PuG
don't need to kick stuff if mobs just die
sweet summit
Wait a DoS key i depleted like a month ago shows as timed after the changes π
Had no idea thats how it worked lol
sweet surge
yeah, they retro-actively timed them
sweet surge
sweet summit
sweet surge
Nalthor the Rimebinder
Championβs Boon duration increased to 30 seconds (was 15 seconds).
this is my favorite change
ionic fern
As a ranged DPS i hated that buff.
Legit get back on the platform ready to blast and then "COMET STORM!!!"
strong forum
Wait a DoS key i depleted like a month ago shows as timed after the changes π
Ye I had that for KSM season 1 or 2
sweet surge
slightly less of a snooze fest now
strong forum
Whenever they increased timer in bfa of TD
I retroactively got the key done for KSM
sweet summit
Lmao thats great
ionic fern
Out of curiosity since idk how other tanks do it.
Do you guys tank Khaal into other packs in the gauntlet or just ST it down and then move on?
sweet summit
Both
ionic fern
I've always pulled onwards into other packs but a healer told me yesterday that it's bad and no other tank does it . π
sweet surge
that's BS.
ionic fern
Good that i'm not alone then.
sweet summit
Its giga efficient to do so
valid zodiac
The thing is that one pack in that gauntlet is mobs that do increased 20% dmg for each mob that is near them. And there is like 6 of them in that pack
ionic fern
Jeah but you kite that pack anyways @valid zodiac
sweet surge
you usually have pride there for most routes too
strong forum
If I don't have shit myself, I do 1 pack, then push boss to next phase and then take the other
ionic fern
Juh, we prided and skipped the horrible 3 pack right into corridor.
sweet surge
in my experience it's the Acolytes doing the ass spanking most of the time
ionic fern
And then the monk failed the invis skip somehow and we lost pride.
sweet surge
gotta have a plan for those
ionic fern
π
sweet surge
Cadets bang too due to the aura buff, b ut at least those are physical and we're gucci with physical
valid zodiac
That pack if you are pulling became so much easier after finding out you can pull only two of them
ionic fern
Jeah.
I've recently gone the lazy way and just getting 75% upstairs to pride the 3rd boss tho.
sweet surge
nah, fortified Kaal gauntlet is petrifying to me
gotta pride that shit
esp sincewe have no Venthyr F
valid zodiac
Yea the anima lamp makes the gauntlet so much easier
sweet surge
although 3rd boss is a banger too, so pride on her isn't bad either
crazy tank damgur and also party wide ticking AoE every 20sec
nerf inc
strong forum
She's pretty free on pwar imo
ionic fern
Jeah that boss is a pain. Tho it's really telegraphed for a tank. Just pool rage for SB+IP for the Ironspike thingy and SR the AoE.
And hope others don't die.
π
valid zodiac
The AoE I usually take an orb or two and tell the rest to get as much as they can
sweet surge
its when she's torturing the naruu that things go from zero to spice real quick
ionic fern
For your group for sure. π
sweet surge
watched Dorki earlier today doing it on 22 fortified, party damage was just bonkers
cant imagine even a 20 tyrannical
ionic fern
2nd and 3rd boss both on tyrannical are spooky. π¦
Tho thankfully the 2nd one got nerfed.
sweet surge
idk, never had too much trouble w/ 2nd
guess it helps that I run w/ fmage/monk/DK, they do bonkers boss damage
ionic fern
You know what i would be happy with?
Give me tokens from m+ so i can buy old tier sets with.,
π
I'm too lazy to farm that tmog.
sweet surge
im lowkey happy PvP continues to be the shitshow it is. No clue how I'd switch between Arms and Prot conduits otherwise
such a stupid, stupid system
smoky wave
π still not consistently timing 10-12 here. All you with ksm have my envy.
valid zodiac
I absolutely have no idea why they implemented that conduit energy
ionic fern
10-15 is horrible.
So many people who think they are blasting and know it all.
sweet surge
it was even worse on beta before conduit energy
imagine that
worst part is, Kleia and the Owl guy are just comically bad for Kyrian
so it's not like you can dedicate one for PvP and one for PvE or anything
smoky wave
We're mostly running rsham (wife) and mixed people from the guild. Tends to be mm, fmage, and random other but norm ww or dh. Just consistently missing keys by a small amount.
sweet surge
Try doing bigger pulls. I know it sounds counter-intuitive if you're struggling, but just dedicate a full set of CDs from everyone for these pulls; it saves a buttload of time really
ionic fern
What's the CD on Wildspirits?