so i stopped playing
#protection
ember marsh
and apparnetly apex sims better but idk
it seems unreliable
also circle is insane for cleave fights
since apex doesnt affect that at all
only priority target
undone jacinth
I use apex and won’t craft another probs because I want to move away from feral but I’m pretty convinced draught is straight better
feral apls have never been too reliable
that’s why they all thought kyrian curio was the go to at launch
undone jacinth
is that a bad thing?
lunar perch
Not sure, is it good?
ember marsh
which one is it
undone jacinth
yea been waiting since launch for it
lunar perch
This one
undone jacinth
if you’re pushing or doing a dangerous mythic fight it’s pretty great
coarse kestrel
is macabre sheet music any good?
undone jacinth
hell no
coarse kestrel
im using 207 stone legion and 213 glut spike
undone jacinth
it’s very good in m+
ember marsh
as long as u dont kill ur teammates
coarse kestrel
gotta know quick so i can offer it up to raid if its useless
ember marsh
oh
undone jacinth
it is useless
lunar perch
Thanks dolphin! I'll keep it around then.
coarse kestrel
so just m+ :/
ember marsh
we wre talking about 2 diff trinkets
macabre isnt good relaly
so yeah pass that up
ember marsh
if anything u use it for a stat stick if u got nothing else
undone jacinth
the stats are good it’s the way u get them that’s the issue
also the alar trinket range is like 5 yards or something
it’s np
ember marsh
oh really
coarse kestrel
i put it up for roll
ember marsh
so it really only blows up shit on top of you
coarse kestrel
passed it along to someone who wants to deal with it lol
ember marsh
and only boss i can think of for that is sludge and if one of u dies the other dies anyways
so its moot point
well its a cheat death
on a trinket
wonder how it works with vdh cheat death and/or bdk's cheat death
undone jacinth
yeah chance of living is worth smaller chance of killing
ember marsh
which one takes prio
undone jacinth
think it’s talent first
can’t remember
but the trinket buff resets on death, talents don’t
undone jacinth
I think so
but then scale exists
and I sometimes miss having a stat stick... main stat is more fun
lavish oracle
Tbh, the like couple times I've killed someone with Alar, it's better them than me, lol
Also I get a victory rush afterwards 😄
undone jacinth
that’s total mega mind gameplay
hollow cove
Also I get a victory rush afterwards 😄
Lol!
last mason
if you merge accounts, do you really lose all collection stuff on the character thats moving
ember marsh
whats the purpose of merging accounts?
solemn magnet
Yeah you do
woven trellis
its not just a cheat death
its a cheat death that make you rebirth into a fragrant exploding and majestuous protection warphoenix
valid finch
hey guys/gals was wondering what soulbind is best for prot. Been playing fury with Kyrian. If its Pelagos what should I switch fury to,
ionic pewter
hey guys/gals was wondering what soulbind is best for prot. Been playing fury wi...
Pelagos is best for kyrian prot war
echo egret
Denathrius Wracking Pain : so you need to bring hil to the edge of platform to hit the ranged adds with it ?
sweet summit
Yeah you wanna debuff the ranged adds with it
echo egret
But if you stay in the middle of North platform, are they hit ?
sweet summit
I think the range is pretty big, but i dont remember exactly
limpid pawn
sweet summit
If youre talking about the exploit, dont 👀
sweet summit
They can if healers/dps dont overaggro
sand pebble
Yes they can be md
orchid frigate
lol seen a bunch of these as well
what surprises me is that prot pala isn't mentioned. arent they like 2nd most popular tank in keys +15 range?
orchid frigate
so fotm != most played?
ionic fern
It does equal most played..hence vdh. People don't care how other tanks compete or that any tank is able to do that key level without any issues.
orchid frigate
ah but i meant that prot pala should be fotm rather than monk
sorry, tired 🙂
not making any sense
strong forum
ah but i meant that prot pala should be fotm rather than monk
Cuz they see monk is 2nd highest IO and still most played raid tank
Even when top 20 is like 15vdh 3 guardian, 1 monk 1 pally
supple heath
yo dudes, why is Never Surrender seen as such a bad talent? Is it just the +10% hp Indomitable gives? Icy Veins seems to claim it's because of the unreliable increase, but it seems like it'd result in more HPS than Indomitable even at 40%?
lofty widget
indomitable does roughly the same amount of healing as IP during m+, so for NS to be viable you would have to get max out of it all the time
which i cannot recommend
supple heath
I understand that, but looking at top loggers on prot warrior healing in raids, the top dude on Shriekwing did 179k with Ignore Pain and 74k with Indomitable (less than 40% of Ignore Pain) meaning he'd do more HPS if he had Never Surrender instead, and that's assuming he was constantly at full hp
I mean I get the 10% hp is very valuable, just seems that Never Surrender is undervalued
dusky sentinel
Regardong fotm.. this is why I (as healer main) always prefer Warriors. Cause most players look at the charts and pick their class from it. Ive seen so many palas, monks and dhs which dont even know what active mitigation is..
supple heath
I understand that, but looking at top loggers on prot warrior healing in raids, ...
correction: 74k is slightly more than 40% of 179k, but it still assumes he's constantly at full hp, otherwise NS is better HPS
lofty widget
depends a lot on the boss
strong forum
No, NS is just always worse
supple heath
I assume you also didn't spend all of your rage on IP here, which I understand is another point in favor of Indomitable - that it heals even if you're spamming Revenge
strong forum
Ofc
Why would I be spamming IP for no reason
On huntsman my indom is even higher than ignore pain
supple heath
My point was that Never Surrender gains value on progress bosses where you'd be trying to maximize survival, whereas Indomitable obviously is a stronger general pick
jagged pier
eh?
jagged pier
on progress u need to push damage as well
on our first invera kill last night i played like utter trash
supple heath
I mean yeah but you're more inclined to use rage on IP over Revenge when damage intake is high
supple heath
because it stacks? what?
jagged pier
okay once uve stacked it twice
what else am i supposed to do?
over capp my rage
🤔
what am i supposed to do with my rage when not tanking as well ?
just spamm IP?
strong forum
Even in m+ my indom healing rivals ignore pain
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
Because I actually play my spec properly
You can't quantify having a 3k bigger IP vs having a 3% heal everytime you use SB
A 4% heal everytime you use ignore pain
A 2% heal everytime you use revenge
orchid frigate
how are you gusy doing with gemming slots. waiting for best secondaries or just go on what you have with high ilvl?
dusky sentinel
Wait a second. As a noob alt warrior. Is overstacking IP bad? When it comes to survival. I get that dps is also relevant. But purely to help healers of their struggeling etc?
strong forum
The faster things die, the less you have to be healed
Overstacking IP does nothing
Because as you said, it's overstacking
You can't have a bigger absorb than 2x the original value
So you'd waste a ton of rage reapplying an already borderline capped out ignore pain even
jagged pier
this is froma 15 halls i logged
dusky sentinel
Yeah. Thats what im asking. Is there a cap? (Feels stupid)
strong forum
Yes 2x
supple heath
The cap is 2x the original value
jagged pier
2x
supple heath
Which works with Never Surrender as well, it's not based on your max hp or anything
dusky sentinel
Oh my god. I just slapped myself
supple heath
But if you take damage during that window you can keep stacking it
strong forum
Press IP twice, and forget about it for a while
jagged pier
Oh my god. I just slapped myself
its like 3k extra that is nothing
supple heath
Oh my god. I just slapped myself
You should get a WA for tracking how much the value is at to know when you can use another without waste
dusky sentinel
Yeah I got it tracked. I just never noticed the cap. Hence the stupidness
supple heath
Ideally you don't want it at 100% because that stops the leech conduit from working as well, and the cap increases with AP procs
this one I mean
median tulip
Brutal Vitality is a bit shit tho
jagged pier
TRU
our third best endurance conduit that being said we dont really have any good ones
undone jacinth
people actually use that thing?
median tulip
It only applies to pre-existing Ignore Pain, it doesn't refresh it or extend it, and it's useless if you don't have ignore pain at the exact moment you do damage
TBH all of our conduits are a bit shit and the choices are not very impactful
sweet summit
Unnerving focus owns
jagged pier
i dunno u use the LS one correctly
undone jacinth
I don’t see how any conduit is worse than that one
jagged pier
u can pump
median tulip
The finesse ones are the most important
jagged pier
fueld is worse
undone jacinth
would even take rush heal lmao
jagged pier
as we dont use arms deepwound
jagged pier
i believe its still less healing actually as its like 10% of deep wounds damage
median tulip
The irony of Brutal Vitality being listed as a Protection Conduit when it's way more useful to Arms
sweet summit
Dps loss init
undone jacinth
it’s like 25% of deep wounds or so
and doesn’t have a weird requirement to get value
median tulip
The best conduits, IMO, are the one that empowers Rallying Cry and the one that reduces the Cooldown on Shockwave
strong forum
Unnerving ( if running bolster) > stalwart > rally
urban portal
Imagine brutal vit
With bfa deep woubds
But
Nut
Not brutal vid
Whatever the one that heals from deep wounds
jagged pier
strong forum
Tbf wall is already pretty good, but it's nothing like FB leggo or guardian leggos..
jagged pier
imagine revenge has a 15% chance to proc another revenge and it gives an absorb shield for 75% of the damage done
idi jam to that
undone jacinth
it’d be better if war talents weren’t trash
fb just has such good synergy
with talents
median tulip
It would be nice to have choices that made a serious impact
ionic fern
Am i inting if i'm going Necrolord as Brm?
orchid frigate
had a "fun" incident in SD where kraal wouldnt phase and just kept beating us all the way through the gauntlet
ionic fern
Great. Necro it is. One campaign i still haven't done. 👀
jagged pier
Am i inting if i'm going Necrolord as Brm?
my BrM is
undone jacinth
just isn’t ideal if you’re ww off speccing too
ionic fern
Luckily not. I only have small tank brain so i can't play dps.
strong forum
Big tank brain too big for playing dps
God I wish my dps players were tank brains...
They'd actually use their utility and defensives...
strong forum
dusky sentinel
Or..interrupt the correct things.
Facts!
orchid frigate
i've been playin healer a bit lately and it's interesting to see what the healer actually have to do when ppl miss kicks
also frustrating that my healer doesnt have a kick 😦
ionic fern
I did one key as healer as well and was surpirsed as to how much damage pride does to the group. 😂
orchid frigate
i should have fotm'd
undone jacinth
I always tell dps in my keys to CD prides because people don’t realise how hard the healer is working
orchid frigate
my healer friend and me switched places with our alts, so he tanks and I heal. really fun for me but he despises how he has to kite "like a tit"
jade tartan
Hey guys, I'm a 1.4k rio Prot Pala, but I've mained Prot War from Vanilla to MoP
I'm starting to miss him, even though Pala is a ton of fun
Heard it is really in a bad spot
Can any elaborate please?
ebon hound
Nothing to elaborate on, what you've heard is wrong
undone jacinth
you will be sad about your damage and lack of healing
but the spec is mostly fine
jade tartan
Even the Avatar + Demo + Thunderclap combo is lacking on damage?
jade tartan
Hm..
undone jacinth
your damage will come from revenge
jagged pier
Even the Avatar + Demo + Thunderclap combo is lacking on damage?
of course it will Tc got nerfed
our damage comes from revenge
strong forum
And spear + SS
jade tartan
running Kyrian I suppose?
jagged pier
but if your relying on Tc for damage yournever gunna do any
if your running UF stop
and swap to rav
undone jacinth
he’s just asking how the class is
jade tartan
Yea I'm sorry, I'm not running that. It was just the combo I remember from earlier times
Thank you for your time :))
dusky sentinel
As a healer main. U guys just made me love you on those healer comments :p Honestly tho. Pride up to 15ish is fine. But dps not kicking the right stuff... sweet jesus. What gets me everytime is how ur able to reach 10+ keys and not knowing what kills u
undone jacinth
the problem now is ppl have more gear so you’re starting to see players who were stuck at 7 at the beginning now being stuck at like 13
so you’ve got players in 13 who just don’t know what their spells do but timing them because of their gear sometimes
as you start going above ksm levels people generally care a bit more imo
heavy sail
You can figure out what’s worth kicking and what isn’t within like 2 normal runs.
orchid frigate
too me it feels like some dps players just hope for a "quick carry"
heavy sail
Makes it all the more infuriating when people are clueless
It’s the literal easiest job they have
You don’t even actually need to figure it out yourself if you just have a bossmod too
Pretty sure DBM warns you
undone jacinth
you know at the start when the guy said ‘let’s go for ++’ that you’re about to have some brainless guy trying to mongo his way through keys lol
orchid frigate
mhm
undone jacinth
like oh right yeah mate I was gonna try to deplete it but now you said that I’ll play differently
heavy sail
3s
undone jacinth
this is on your dirty paladin thought isn’t it
heavy sail
Yeah
orchid frigate
😮
heavy sail
My holy paladin
undone jacinth
disgusting
heavy sail
Almost every game in the ladder is a mirror match lmao
undone jacinth
unkillable mess
heavy sail
There’s shit in 2s that just feel unbeatable under most circumstances.
Like double feral.
undone jacinth
doesn’t double pala just destroy feral
heavy sail
Probably would
Any conventional healer + DPS is going to get rolled by double feral though
They just can’t die
Double pala pretty much the same
heavy sail
Me neither
Just getting carried by the spec being god-tier
Fire mage is manageable in 2s but absolutely disgusting in 3s
With the absorb legendary and conduit that heals inside ice block
They’re just immortal
orchid frigate
been dabbling a bit with 3s with rsham and aff lock. its fun since the lock seems to make the matches more drawn out and forgiving
not so bursty
heavy sail
My sympathies.
orchid frigate
not the best comp i know
orchid frigate
yeah but he's very good at staying alive
heavy sail
Depends, it gets wrecked by melee cleave with health dampening.
Which is the meta currently
But it’s situationally good
Shadowplay is a good comp
orchid frigate
his brother, an enh/ele shaman joined in his place a couple of matches. talk about getting tunneled and insta killed 😦
felt a lot more squishy
heavy sail
Sounds like it’s the player
orchid frigate
oh?
orchid frigate
hmm i see
strong forum
With earth ele up
orchid frigate
pretty experienced pvper tho :/
heavy sail
Yeah with earth ele
orchid frigate
ah well, wish i had friends that wanted to do arena some more. we just go in a couple of hours now and then every week
wont be getting anywhere doing that
orchid frigate
oh nice
heavy sail
Good enough to hit 2100 though at least.
But I think anyone could really, given time and effort
It’s not that difficult to climb
orchid frigate
haha
ionic pewter
does spell reflect work on blood price on sire?
prisma gorge
Hello fellow protectors, over weekend i was asking about specing night fae here and today it paid off, finally as tank first SL 10+ done with my beloved war, just couple of them in time 🙂 Now i wanna ask about Barghaist leash trinket is it any good?
heavy sail
@ionic pewter yes it does.
Mwahi has a write up of all the spell reflect interactions in the pins
Not sure if all of them are up to date but it’s a good resource.
ionic pewter
Cheers, I could see it in the spreadsheet but not sure its happening in game
cerulean pebble
You have to time it just before he completes the cast, otherwise it will run out before you take the damage. It doesn't reflect all the damage blood price does, but it will reflect the first tick. As you take multiple hits depending on how many people have the same number of burden of sin stacks as you. At least that is what I have noticed
young oasis
Guys, on Lady Inerva Mythic p3, do you reflect Change of Heart and continue tanking boss or you do regular and go to side, so debuff go out there?
sweet summit
Guys, on Lady Inerva Mythic p3, do you reflect Change of Heart and continue tank...
You can reflect it, but it will still damage people that stand in the circle
Safe play would be to get away
signal plover
You barely have to run away
It does almost negligible dmg
Unless they stand in the circle.
spring quartz
hey dudes, how crucial is it to upgrade the prot leggo to 235? is the power more important than the raw ilvl?
strong forum
Power is more important yes
spring quartz
Thank you! Torn on upgrading pvp leggo vs tank one
undone jacinth
what’s the pvp Lego
prisma gorge
there is pvp channel i recommend asking there? 😄
undone jacinth
I meant what Lego the guy was referring to
spring quartz
its Unhinged @undone jacinth 😄
silver trout
Anyone have rec's for M+ route making resources? My group is starting to push more into 11s and up and uh, I'm apparently bad at routes 🤣
lunar perch
I've been using Quazii's MDI routes and they've been working well for me so far.
timber lagoon
Mythic dungeon tools and the Dratnos routes on raider io
Helped me a lot with routes
signal plover
Yeah dratnos has "simple" routes under Weekly Route or something like that on raider io. Those are a good starting point for where you're at.
Try those then adjust them for your group
silver trout
Yeah dratnos has "simple" routes under Weekly Route or something like that on ra...
sounds good, I'll take a look at those
misty tartan
https://raider.io/characters/us/emerald-dream/Plka#season=season-sl-1 this man gave me hope!
cyan goblet
I'm getting interested in running Prot Warrior for m+ (+15 max), but I've heard some really bad things about it. Are prot warriors that bad for m+ right now?
undone jacinth
Pikas crown lol
undone jacinth
I'm getting interested in running Prot Warrior for m+ (+15 max), but I've heard ...
If your goal is 15s then they are perfectly fine
strong forum
Pwar is perfectly fine to play
cyan goblet
my biggest issue is that SB cant have some serious downtime which will hurt you during packs
feels really bad
strong forum
Well, that's when you start kiting
strong forum
Like every tank that doesn't have their CDs up
Although in 15s you can tank even without SB up
undone jacinth
depends how much the packs are hitting you for
15s are low drama if you have gear
cyan goblet
getting gear in the first place for 15s seem to be the issue
undone jacinth
what ilvl are you
cyan goblet
currently 205
strong forum
Well that's a problem everybody has to deal with
If you don't do pvp or raid atleast heroic, gearing will take a while
undone jacinth
do you pvp
cyan goblet
no, even though I know that it makes gearing easier
but I openly detest PvP in WoW
since MoP or something
undone jacinth
well yeah m+ isn’t the place to get gear unfortunately
strong forum
Try to do atleast 1x 14 a week
cyan goblet
thats what I realized after a night of 8 runs with 1 piece of gear traded by my buddy
undone jacinth
but at that ilvl you can comfortably run like 12s 13s, and if you’re wanting to push yourself 14s and 15s are doable
strong forum
And then you have to ride the wave of weekly vault gear
Should defo be able to do 15s
Not amazingly easy
cyan goblet
am i correct that you can some sort of constantly cycle through your cds? Prot warrior have plenty of those and some can have fairly low CDs
strong forum
Yes
undone jacinth
you basically are just using everything on cd
strong forum
Although everything but LS and SW is basically used on CD
undone jacinth
trying not to overlap where you don’t need it
cyan goblet
you basically are just using everything on cd
while spaming SB and Ignore Pain?
strong forum
And also, try to know everything about every dungeon
undone jacinth
even those are really if you’re pulling strong
undone jacinth
in most cases you will want to be spamming sb tbh
cyan goblet
I feel like SB seems to be mandatory. In order not to get obliterated outside of CDs
undone jacinth
ye
strong forum
Spamming is what gets you killed and will make you do very little damage
undone jacinth
well that’s just a word
strong forum
Know when you don't need to press IP, use SB obv effectively
Try to greed it every now and again to hold for 1 or 2 globals if you're full HP
Shockwave to let the CD roll a bit
Will result in already higher survival rate
But that takes experience
cyan goblet
ye, I was tanking as Blood DK for multiple expansions and boy thats the complete opposite of prot warrior
you want to get hit as hard as possible for big heals
strong forum
Id say its exactly the same
cyan goblet
while warrior wants to get hit as little as possible
strong forum
You think like 2-3 globals ahead
cyan goblet
(outside of basic CD management)
undone jacinth
how is dk thinking ahead lol
undone jacinth
build rp always, spend when u get hit big
cyan goblet
yeah, but in general its all about anticipating damage spikes for death strike
strong forum
When you get hit hard to have DS ready, when to not immediately hit DS
cyan goblet
Blood is feels much more reactive
strong forum
Na
undone jacinth
both have CDs that’s about where it ends
cyan goblet
anyways, what about magic damage as prot? Spell reflect and ignore pain?
f.e. against heavy caster packs?
undone jacinth
yup
undone jacinth
it’s a weakness
just gotta do what you can and cd when you know the pack is gonna blast you with any type of dmg
cyan goblet
I see
undone jacinth
don’t overcomplicate what you need to do, the basics will take you the whole way
cyan goblet
guess I need to get red of my blood DK mentality to get used to prot warrior
again: I still play way to reactive
strong forum
You have to use everything before getting hit as pwar
cyan goblet
shield block weak aura in the middle of the screen
also in full screen resolution?
undone jacinth
one thing I noticed from a lot of logs here is people just don’t cast demo shout for some reason, so definitely do that on cd
entire screen yep
cyan goblet
one thing I noticed from a lot of logs here is people just don’t cast demo shout...
ye, especially with thunder lord it's cooldown is ridiculously short
undone jacinth
it definitely is
I just put my important stuff right in the middle above my abilities and it helped me learn all the classes
cyan goblet
kk, I definitely need more experience, but your tips sure are helpful. Thanks!
why does that sound sarcastic tho
undone jacinth
yeah honestly a giant amount of tanking is experience... rotation is whatever once you know what hurts and what doesn’t
press everything and when you die find out why!
cyan goblet
press everything and when you die find out why!
outside of my HP reaching 0
undone jacinth
tell healer not to let hp go to 0
cyan goblet
thats smart, will try that
misty tartan
and you will be surprised by how many spells can be reflected/deflected. can really come in useful
some abilities like last boss ToP doing a scythe attack can be reflected. to me that's not intuitive at all, but it's great
strong forum
Less than I feel like they should...
smoky wave
The top scythe spell reflect is golden
undone jacinth
Patty cake
smoky wave
My wife/healer calls me out when I miss one now it makes such a big difference.
smoky wave
Patty cake
God please Sr
strong forum
Huge dps loss not to
undone jacinth
‘oh I can probably reflect this cast’ ... dies
misty tartan
Patty cake
patty cake is not reflectable is it?
undone jacinth
luckily nobody knows the mechanic enough to know I shoulda kicked it
nope it’s not and it’s very sad
we like cake too much to deflect it
hasty quest
Guys, can you help on make a macro to wrught in "say": Don't Kick My SR - on use?
undone jacinth
yeah just do a macro with /cast sr and /say don’t kick my sr
but say commands are bad
that one is the most acceptable one though
amber herald
real chads use /yell
misty tartan
i gave up on those kind of macros. now i reflect only when i see all dps got their kick on cd
undone jacinth
reflect first spell, they rarely kick it in time
then yeah try to get a feel for what people are kicking and aren’t
patent osprey
This is mine
#showtooltip Spell Reflection /cast Spell Reflection /y DON'T KICK MY SPELL REFLECT /p DON'T KICK MY SPELL REFLECT /s DON'T KICK MY SPELL REFLECT
strong forum
What I love is
strong forum
When I say "yo ima reflect"
I then reflect my thing
Wait lemme Start oveer
I says "yo I reflect this, mage you kick after"
I do my reflect
Mage forgets to kick
amber herald
mine's like that but with swear words
strong forum
Tells me Well I don't know when you reflected
mellow patio
Bro he was combusting
modern brook
Nome's is like that but with swear words tbh
cyan goblet
try it with "/y [the entire bee movie script]"
strong forum
Na it's so many times like this
I reflect they forget it happened
Don't kick
Like bruh 1 cast went through
Guess what the 2nd one is supposed to be
amber herald
there's an interrupt tracker WA which adds spell reflect to it
I don't have it though
bully your dps into using it
modern brook
bully your dps into using it
bully your dps into using it ftfy
amber herald
ofcourse
ember marsh
good morning nerds and nerdettes
sweet summit
good evening, sir
chilly brook
@sweet summit how do fury?
sweet summit
press every button at once and pray the right ones go off
modern brook
its the same as outlaw but for nerds @chilly brook
chilly brook
I swear man some people are super picky on recruitment
modern brook
unsurprising tbh recruitment is like LFG but more permanent
sweet summit
@chilly brook link logs ill look
chilly brook
<@!133532617940140032> link logs ill look
sweet summit
did you just swap to venthyr?
sweet summit
not a lot to say, enchant signet, farm renown and get better gear 🤔
sweet summit
well
chilly brook
Lol
modern brook
yeah
undone jacinth
gotta at least do a full hc run if you’re applying to mythic as dps
modern brook
My guy legit just did the Looking for Guild equivlent of "u aint even that pretty"
undone jacinth
even if not for parses just to show dedication
I know other people think you’re hot but meeeeh
stable kestrel
So what’s all y’all’s favorite healer to run with?
chilly brook
I know other people think you’re hot but meeeeh
Who thinks that?
blazing condor
me 🙂
stable kestrel
Why not a disc priest?
chilly brook
All I'm sayin is if ya gonna be that picky expect me to be that picky
👀
The only one who died in that list was the priest
undone jacinth
parse fan club
undone jacinth
Why not a disc priest?
in my experience they are just terrible at tank healing that’s all
stable kestrel
I see
undone jacinth
in fact every priest spec has been terrible every time I’ve invited one and my friends play druids still
strong forum
Yo I think our dk renamed
undone jacinth
I’m sure good players make it work but I’ve never seen them
strong forum
He's clearly in your screenshot
stable kestrel
Actually my question was pertaining to mythic plus. I should have been clearer.
undone jacinth
yeah that’s what I was talking about
stable kestrel
Oh ok then
undone jacinth
disc is the raid healing god
chilly brook
He's clearly in your screenshot
Which one?
modern brook
He's clearly in your screenshot
toooxic
chilly brook
Oof
I just get toxic when people make dumb comments that they could have answered themselves
Like I had my logs available before he messaged me
undone jacinth
sometimes people have other characters and stuff
he’s just trying not to be a savage
people get offended pretty easily
as you can see :p
chilly brook
I'm not offended lmao if I was I would have actually roasted him
When is wowprogress going to update their interface?
sweet summit
negative, sir
chilly brook
Oof
chilly brook
negative, sir
Well then when is raider.io launching their version?
sweet summit
warcraft logs are supposed to do so
jagged pier
I just get toxic when people make dumb comments that they could have answered th...
wow thats ummm yer i got nothing to say i got into mine through my tank parses for a dps slot
void moat
I would make the argument if osmeone is dedicated enough to driving their tank into high content they are GOING to succeed at DPS
chilly brook
wow thats ummm yer i got nothing to say i got into mine through my tank parses f...
Well you'd think a guy who's all orange on one role would push himself for the other but eh
void moat
literally 90% of the battle as a melee DPS is knowing how to maintain uptime on a boss
chilly brook
Not worth my effort
jagged pier
Well you'd think a guy who's all orange on one role would push himself for the o...
yer that would be my thought process
void moat
oh i wasn't saying to them
chilly brook
Hence the snide reply
void moat
i just mean in general
undone jacinth
literally 90% of the battle as a melee DPS is knowing how to maintain uptime on ...
which a tank doesn’t have to do
void moat
i'm not saying a tank doesn't have to do that
what i'm saying is your familiarity with the RYTHMN of the fight
is bar none as a tank
undone jacinth
if you’re in a high performing guild you probably want some evidence of somebody at least playing dps
chilly brook
A tank doesn't have to push damage either but most do
undone jacinth
tank parsing is a joke compared to dps
jagged pier
as someone play dps last tier
void moat
I was just saying the TOOLS and knowledge to excel as DPS are inate to you as a tank player
jagged pier
it was a joke then even tho i didnt have bis corruption still all orange
chilly brook
DPS parsing is all down to fight length and cheese
jagged pier
^^
undone jacinth
jeez
chilly brook
And whether or not you actually have the gear to parse to begin with
sweet summit
incorrect, sir
void moat
DPS has it's own challenges but after all is said and done, what sets you apart will be your uptime
sweet summit
you can have good parses with shit kill timers and without any cheese
sturdy sable
Well you'd think a guy who's all orange on one role would push himself for the o...
I've actually been told is far to much of an ask to trial my as DPS... I have full oranges/100s as various tank specs
chilly brook
It's still the same in regards to hitting your buttons properly
sturdy sable
Like ???
chilly brook
I do the same thing I would have done on sludge as a dps
I delay my CDs
To lineup with pillars
Because big dam
undone jacinth
don’t try to make an argument that tank parsing is comparable
it’s very wrong
and dpsing is way more than parsing on top of that
sturdy sable
But it's not like either DPS warrior spec is any more complicated
chilly brook
I mean....I've not done much DPSing in the last 2 expacs
sturdy sable
I play both
sweet summit
cos they wanted a tank 🤔
void moat
i just think a guild that puts so much emphasis on parses rather than the player's dedication to excelling at what they play
is really not a guild id' want to be a part of anyway
lmao
sweet summit
undone jacinth
i just think a guild that puts so much emphasis on parses rather than the player...
bruh he hasn’t even killed all heroic bosses as dps... it’s literally the dedication that is the problem
undone jacinth
if I’m in a good mythic guild I’m not taking a guy who just feels like playing dps and has a few heroic boss kills, like how is that a thing? it’s red flag central
void moat
If someone can excell at one spec, I whole heartedly believe they can in the other if they express they want to
chilly brook
Dedication that's the problem when it's clearly written that I just swapped to fury and up until recently played prot
undone jacinth
they can of course but you aren’t there to act as their school
void moat
I was only trying to express that there's more to spotting a good player than a list of parses
i've seen parse lords be the most problematic people i've ever seen
undone jacinth
yes and those other things are the problem
#1 thing to look out for as RL is how likely someone is to quit
someone who is applying to a m guild with not even full dps parses because they feel like dpsing is in that bucket
chilly brook
Tbf they're in the least risky position
undone jacinth
?
chilly brook
They have the say on who comes and goes, they have the say on whether your trial even lasts more than one pull, they don't have any monetary cost associated to even trialing someone etc.
undone jacinth
do you know how hard it is to organise a raid
chilly brook
Yes...
undone jacinth
then why would you want a guy who might quit over some other guy with more experience?
chilly brook
What "other" guy
undone jacinth
you think it’s just you?
chilly brook
You think its uncommon to have more than one trial?
undone jacinth
I think it’s uncommon to have even one trial in mythic who doesn’t even have full heroic parses yes
void moat
That's.. not true?
undone jacinth
unless you’re a casual early guild and you’re just looking for players or whatever
void moat
the general scenario is someone sits while a trial goes in
on a kill they have on farm
that's very much a luxury you can afford
chilly brook
And let's go home step further
Let's assume they have someone who is better lined up
Which is a real possibility
void moat
i'm just saying when I did lots of mythic raiding that was the way we did trails. It was very low impact like Griff was saying
chilly brook
Who assumes the risk if they bring both to their guild as trials?
undone jacinth
I know how guilds do trials
undone jacinth
the issue isn’t trialling people it’s the trialist
void moat
lmao yeah
jagged pier
all guilds do trials differently
void moat
Griffs point was how the guild isn't the one taking a risk though
you told him "do you know how hard it is to organize a raid" implying you contested him
void moat
What is the issue you are arguing ?
I mean, sometimes you feel they are a good fit right away and don't have to trial
i dunno that's up to whoever makes the call
undone jacinth
who in your world doesn’t get a trial
mighty valley
what on earth are you all arguing
chilly brook
what on earth are you all arguing
I'm gonna wager no one knows anymore
mighty valley
there could be a billion reasons why this one random guild blew you off, who care
void moat
i don't know what point you are discussing
jagged pier
dolphin just likes to argue tbh
undone jacinth
that you don’t take people on trial who don’t have exp
I argue when people say dumb stuff and I don’t when they don’t
void moat
I mean, who cares? People can trial whoever they want for whatever reason they want
undone jacinth
it’s simple
jagged pier
u literally argue all day everyday
undone jacinth
maybe you should review my posts
chilly brook
I've seen plenty of trials with people who have far less experience.....
rancid ember
agreed /w Jakey XD
undone jacinth
90% of my ‘arguments’ are with Matt because he makes the most stupid comments
chilly brook
undone jacinth
and other stuff is just where people say wrong stuff like when you said about the rage of thunderclap jake
chilly brook
I'll take that gladly
rancid ember
Everytime I check here lately it's Dolphin arguing with sum1 else 
void moat
No no, he has a point it is usually with Matt LMAO
undone jacinth
idk who else there is
chilly brook
mighty valley
now we're arguing about arguing. quick, someone ask about the wall vs thunderlord
astral crystal
imagine willingly reading anything dolphin writes 😏
undone jacinth
notice how you can see the people I’ve proved wrong and how bitter they are in the last 10 comments
chilly brook
I may have started this shit show with the topic but I would like to state for the record that I'm not the one who escalated it
undone jacinth
people say wrong stuff and if I know data proves otherwise or something then I will say it
void moat
You're assuming a lot lmao. I'm defnitely not bitter
undone jacinth
if I don’t know then I don’t say
jagged pier
bitter? nah im in torghast atm
chilly brook
notice how you can see the people I’ve proved wrong and how bitter they are in t...
Says the guy who's been insulting people? KekW
undone jacinth
did you
rancid ember
Says the guy who's been insulting people? KekW
It's hard to out troll the troll xd
void moat
I think you believing people are bitter says more about you than it does about us haha
undone jacinth
don’t think you ended up saying anything until now
I mean just look at odyns post history
he has some grudge idk why
I obviously offended him
atticus is the same
void moat
you really like to inform people how they feel
undone jacinth
randomly digs at me because he’s got some grudge too
saying idk why he has a grudge is telling him how he feels?
really?
or are you just looking to prescribe some behaviour to me
chilly brook
I really don't say anything about you anymore but you continue to take digs at me and others....
But ok bruv
rancid ember
I don't feed into you Dolphin, you just have a way of talking to people that is A douchey AF, and B throwing shade / taking a dig. You get it back and you double and triple down
I just nope out
undone jacinth
yeah exactly, you have a grudge
void moat
There it is
rancid ember
😂
chilly brook
undone jacinth
I’m fine with that, I do have a shitty way of speaking sometimes because I’m very direct and challenge people when I think they are wrong
I try to work on that but don’t always get it right
jagged pier
i mean theres directness and rudeness 🤔
void moat
Being direct doesn't mean you're shitting on people, direct people CAN ALSO DIRECTLY SAY NICE THINGS. Rude and direct are NOT a corrilation
patent osprey
Guys, we have to stick together 🙂 Skyhold stands strong 🙂
mighty valley
There's a pretty good opportunity here for everyone to prove they're the bigger person and chill out and move on
void moat
PLKA
undone jacinth
yeah and I try not to be rude, and I get on with a bunch of people here so idk
void moat
THE BOY
chilly brook
i mean theres directness and rudeness 🤔
Don't forget theres a thing called "letting it go"
undone jacinth
there’s always gonna be people that conflict with each other because our brains work different
nobody called out the guy calling me a retard etc because he’s part of the club ya know
jagged pier
Don't forget theres a thing called "letting it go"
tru, but like directness is saying saying someones playing the spec wrong and rudeness is someone saying they are shit not saying people do that but its a good example 🤷
chilly brook
tru, but like directness is saying saying someones playing the spec wrong and ru...
Oh that wasn't what I was getting at lmaooo
undone jacinth
I don’t call people shit and try to avoid being rude, afaik the only offensive thing I’ve said about someone is Matt being dumb and Ikar being clueless
void moat
WAit hold the phone @rancid ember is that a HoN icon as your profile picture
rancid ember
Haha yeah i was heavy into HON early in. Dota 2 these days though
patent osprey
Hell yes 🙂 Valk main
void moat
I actually mythic raided with a ton of DOTA 2 personalities
rancid ember
lol
patent osprey
and then when u miss, u just say lagged
Or wretched hag mid is always fun gankfest
rancid ember
I like bubbles so much more then Puck in Dota 2 lol
void moat
MY BOY BOMBARDIER THO LMAO
patent osprey
WHEN I WAS YOUR AGEEE
jagged pier
if your not playing legion commander you arent playing the game right
jagged pier
well im one of the worst but i love screaming at ppl and focusing them to hit me
void moat
omg do you remember playing against zephyr mains
rancid ember
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/191481675 check my LC stats 😉
void moat
hold on let me grab mine
modern brook
i only like pudge in dota
jagged pier
yer im not that good im just a scrub that used to play casual
void moat
modern brook
everything else is too big brainedd for me
void moat
my stats are fucking all over
rancid ember
Been a while since you played! New patch has been pretty lit I just haven't had time between busy season at work and wow
Your visage looks nice what a hero.
void moat
I mean who need to play anything else when u can play pudge
My visage winrate is actually insane
63% in high ranked
i only ever played him in ranked haha
solemn magnet
I stopped playing when they added talents and you could toggle boxes for neutrals
Just too much change for my boomer ass.
rancid ember
Yeah they keep adding complexity to the game.. Now they added Aghanim's shards for 1400 which release @ 20 mins into game. Every hero has one lol
void moat
I just miss TI
i used to go every year
TI10 was gonna be the big bang of a last one I was gonna attend after hitting all of them
midnight stone
TI in Vancouver was a blast
rancid ember
Never been to one yet. Def plan on hitting one for sure though
void moat
(BTW if anyone has prot questions feel free to interrupt at any time. were all just reminiscing)
They're an experience to be had with friends for sure
unless you're highly outgoing
it's so easy to make friends during TI
so the social butterfly that I am just ends up all over the place
patent osprey
leave it to pub stomping to bring us all togeather :d
chilly brook
I wish I had the stomach for mobas
jagged pier
dotas okay i like it but i havent played much in like 2 years now if not at all
but i always have old guildies that play
but they wanted to push ranked that was it for me
undone jacinth
hard to keep up with everything they changed
there was an item recently that apparently just wasnt in the shop despite being in the game, even the devs forgot about it
patent osprey
its hard to get into new mobas :/ even going from dota to league, I couldn't get into it, cause I just didn't want to relearn everything
undone jacinth
did you play HotS?
midnight stone
I've tried others, nothing is just quite like Dota so I always go back
patent osprey
casual hots was alot easier
undone jacinth
I actually super liked HotS secretly (everyone I knew hated it)
patent osprey
cause there was no itemization
but the skill ceiling was high in hots like any moba
but to get into it was alot easier
cause u just chose talents
undone jacinth
yea I think they did a good job
cool characters etc
tried to get some of my friends in to dota but telling them they have to play 1k hours before they will be good at it is not a good sell
void moat
I really liked HoTS
It just let me use my mechanical skill without having to work so hard on the macro game
So it was much more relaxing
My boy Alarak was so much fun
genuenly felt like a DOTA hero
young glen
If we've been using the head skip and want to continue clearing afterwards, do we still have to progress in the usual order huntsman > destroyer > darkevein to unlock sks council xymox?
stark sage
I only really remember Illidan being super fun
illidan was so busted on release, i had over 80% winrate
young glen
Thanks
undone jacinth
whats everyones tank music of choice
I feel like trance has to be the most popular
strong forum
Rusty k
Is what I vibe to rn
https://open.spotify.com/track/4WGBEeFb7gQ1YO6bVT43no?si=YiK0MsxUQp2r_lCpKhXy4Q&utm_source=copy-link
This song
Is a fucking BANGER
But also bbno$ - imma prod
Huge banger
void moat
it varies highly
for me
sometimes I'll listen to stuff that's chill and slow for 15s to stay low pressure
in raid i'll listen to hype mustic
to just keep my adrenaline going
since it's pretty much a 5-7 minute sprint
rather than a marathon lmao
blissful vector
Hey Guys! I've looked some builds up and got a question..
It seems that no one takes Unstoppable Force in Combination with Thunderlord. Why is that so?
Is the value of Ravager just still that much higher in difficult content?
I mean... Thunderclapping every other CD just seems pretty darn strong for me ^^
void moat
I'll use it if i'm tanking low keys like 10s to just pull massive all the time
so the value goes up if you're CONSTANTLY in giant pulls
but otherwise yeah
strong forum
it also forces you to play Anger Amanagement which is a defensive downgrade
void moat
it's not really that impactful
I will say tho it does work quite well together
and feels good
and lines up with spear really well
strong forum
it synergizes
void moat
so I dunno if you think it feels good for you just play around with the other stuff too
strong forum
but its a net rage and dps loss to play it
void moat
see how it feels
when in doubt follow your instinct but be open to try other stuff too
blissful vector
ok, tyvm
void moat
odd verge
Djent because it goes well with the warrior screams and my own screams when I PUG. https://open.spotify.com/track/09TYM8GCSYtQmpaXe8kYuK?si=77zQ9zTdQfybqY1_SgvCdg
strong forum
ofc
chilly brook
For real though idk what it is I just can't stand DnB unless its while driving fast cars
chilly brook
Probably truuuuu
weak spindle
jagged pier
🤷
sweet summit
link a sim and ill tell you
sweet summit
modern brook
Why is prot pally a better dps spec than some entire classes
sweet summit
looks like it, yeah
last mason
do i have to alter that in the input
and try changing to .05
profileset."Combo 6"+="soulbind=kleia:13,329791/216:5/334066/329784/197:5/141:4/329778"
in there somewhere maybe?
chilly brook
@strong forum just walked into the studio and they had I Remember by Deadmau5 blasting
What a great throwback
sweet summit
custom apl
chilly brook
Is zul'jin a good server?
astral crystal
ZJ is a good horde server yeah
Malganis is better tho
If you’re looking for an upper middle type of server
Only problem with ZJ is sharing space with French canucks
chilly brook
Just asking cuz a guild is like "yo we like your tank logs and know you'll push to do the same for fury"