or straight down
#protection
unique shale
yup
jaunty vector
What a gamer
unique shale
is speed buff any good ?
jaunty vector
Just mainswapped warrior since ours quit, all the hunters and dk's want battle shout DX
unique shale
Just mainswapped warrior since ours quit, all the hunters and dk's want battle s...
lol come get it
lucid holly
hell yeah brotherrr
unique shale
if it was 10% everybody would wanted 1 war in their group
lucid holly
our damage + battleshout makes us top tank damage bruh
unique shale
our damage + battleshout makes us top tank damage bruh
A good dh can also out dps others dps i not sure about that
lucid holly
with like 5 melee isnt battleshout alone like 2kdps
jaunty vector
On my hunter its about a 300 dps loss not having it
ST
more o cleave/aoe obviously
unique shale
well having full melee team for dung it is nightmare for war due to our aggro problem
lucid holly
ohhh ur talking about dungeons
im talking about raid
yeah battle shout not wurf in dungeons
unique shale
doesnt only half of dk damage scale with battle shout
if it is FDK on single target mode it is super value for them the battle shout
undone jacinth
doesnt only half of dk damage scale with battle shout
it doesnt work like this
your spells do damage based on an equation that uses AP
so battle shout buffs all spells
but they also get the magic damage buff as well because lots of them do frost damage
sick sentinel
can i farm m0 for legendary, even though it wont give any loot?
dusky mica
no
sick sentinel
nm, just got it on heroic farm. cheers
undone jacinth
I just used m+ for my legos
always got within 1-2 runs
some ppl were doing like 40 heroics for legos >.<
unique shale
undone jacinth
I can update that we timed the key and they now want me to go on discord with them and push
time heals all wounds
prisma gorge
hi is TGV and bolster still the way?
ocean yoke
depends on the content, m+ is almost always bolster but AM goes better in raids generally with the wall
tardy parcel
for high (16+) DoS keys this week, do you guys just obliterate the first pack in the hakkar hallway? i have no idea how you'd handle the devoteds otherwise with the high priest being inspired
also... this is a dumb question but i seriously don't think it sunk in until now - is there no longer keystone decay in shadowlands? aka you just always get your highest key - 1 in the vault?
undone jacinth
you just literally move the priest away from them
and yeah correct on your second point
grand drum
two groups of 4 farming mobs that have a chance to drop BoEs or mounts so they can make money by selling them on the auction house
ember marsh
boes can drop from maldrax?
that are actually valuable?
why dont they go to castle nathria lockout
unique shale
why dont they go to castle nathria lockout
cause they nerfed drops
ember marsh
yo whats the
uhh
addon/weakaura that shows what mobs are currently aggrod onto
below the nameplate
i seent it on uhh
a video from sense
i think
unique shale
did they actually?
idk sometimes people get 1 or 2 from each run or same person getting two boe
astral crystal
below the nameplate
plater can do this
orchid sand
Two ways to reset raid trash
All raid members log out while the leader ports out and resets
or
The raid leaves the instance and then the leader leaves the raid group, resets, then rejoins and becomes leader again before everyone goes back in
ember marsh
well
did 2 dungeons as first time tanking went pretty well and had fun
bear druid does some nutty dmg
its pretty nice to get insantly invited
undone jacinth
bear is one of the lowest dmg tanks but yeah invites are the biggest benefit of tanking
lost oracle
I only get invites from guildies as prot :c
quiet nexus
How many times can the punish talent stack the 3% dmg reduction?
wanton condor
bear can def build for damage, they're just anemic outside of their big buff modes
undone jacinth
2nd or 3rd bottom
I burst for 20k on trash on my pala, doesn’t mean much
my 197~ pala does the same damage as my 223 bear overall, with 10 less renown and no trinkets
and that’s using galactic guardian with boomy convokes, which you’re not really doing in high keys
if you wanna pump then VDH pala and brew are all better for it
sick marsh
any prot warr for sanguine depths +8? 😄
unique shale
I only get invites from guildies as prot :c
i not sure cause i am getting insta invite
but i leave most of time if they don't have enough dps or bad combo
marble garnet
visual gate
@unique shale theres addons that show group comp beforehand ^^
unique shale
<@493219369648783371> theres addons that show group comp beforehand ^^
oh nice what is it call ?
visual gate
oh nice what is it call ?
Cant really find it rn, will check later
unique shale
Cant really find it rn, will check later
ok dm it to me then
unkempt fox
197 hymnal of the path vs 207 anima field emitter for m+ (other trinket is scale)?
undone sun
cool
unique shale
how to play prot war while you are drunk q up for heroic dung and just spam condemn and flame dps for being under your dps
stray sonnet
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=328458/diminuendo#used-by-npc can this dimineundo cast in spires be avoided?
for tanking
waxen cradle
yes wait until the cast and step out of the way
unique shale
why are you ventyr and tank
cause i am edgy
patent osprey
Poggu Venthyr Warrior Bois
surreal monolith
Storming most annoying affix
placid oar
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=328458/diminuendo#used-by-npc can this dimineundo ...
You can, Simon. It will always face the tank and you just side-step once it’s casting.
placid oar
yes wait until the cast and step out of the way
Oh sry, did not see the reply
visual gate
@unique shale it's called 'premade groups finder' it also allows fora bit more filtering
slim current
I do the same. We use cds first pack. Skip 2nd go for enraged spirit(with totem!) Then 2nd pack with cds. After that skeletons pack, pride. And with pride kill next enraged spirit, 2 big skeletons then hakkar corridor. With this route you can skip 2 lubricants before 2nd boss aswell and make up for it in last room. Only timed 15 tho with this route atm. Only tricky part in DOS is last room, how much you can pull and how much time you can save.
waxen cradle
Storming is not a hard affix really but man when you have like 3 or 4 of them spawn and your watching casts go and want to charge in or run in and interrupt and can't it makes you want to rage. Which I guess is fair as we are warriors
slim current
Storming is not a hard affix really but man when you have like 3 or 4 of them sp...
Its awfull in sanguine tho 😅
strong forum
yo boys
@ everyone who cares, you might wanna resim your prot warriors
there was a bug in simc making us sim way higher :^)
jagged pier
i noticed that already
strong forum
which made mastery also sim way higher, because SimC confused our deepwounds, with arms deep wounds :^)
now with this being a thing, we will hopefully finally get a dmg buff from blizzard
jagged pier
POG crit simming high again
wanton perch
Hi everyone. It was probably mentioned in the past but does anyone have a list of spells (or addon) in m+ that can be shield blocked ?
strong forum
has a blockable and reflectable list
but also, think everything that looks like a swing with a weapon or a shot with a bow, is generally blockable
only very specific mechanics that are swings or shots arent blockable
wanton perch
Thanks!
deft vessel
boys, I've been using brutal vitality since way early in shadowlands, nowadays I mostly use the wall, my second slot is stalwart guardian, but I see unnerving focus gain more and more popularity
ionic fern
You should use Unnerving. 👀
deft vessel
does that apply if I'm not running bolster?
(in raid for example)
for m+ I guess pretty obvious since I always use bolster there
ionic fern
Then it doesn't matter as much.
deft vessel
I guess it's still ever so slightly the "offensive" option (compared to brutal vitality) since you can use the extra rage, however minor without bolster for extra deeps
though I suppose it's ultimately minor regardless
jagged pier
i would say if your running the wall u need stalwart and imo unvering is our best endurance conduit
ive never run burtal and dont feel like i need it ever tbh
deft vessel
I don't really have a good grasp of how much it helps me (or not)
i've just sort of always had it on since early on
(brutal vitality that is)
ionic fern
though I suppose it's ultimately minor regardless
Jeah it's definitely the more offensive option. If you know you don't need it you can pop it in the beginning when you have all your rage generators up to get the maximum offensive value out of it etc.
deft vessel
cool, ima give it a bash later and see if it feels any different
tardy sequoia
guys i'd like to ask something very basic here: how do you consistently gain aggro on 2 distant packs? For example: the 2 swordsmen ad the beginning of HoA together with the lady with the hounds?
jagged pier
Tc the two leap to the hounds and taunt the houndmaster then put rav down on yourself
runn back abit to group them up
then do rotation
may have to taunt a darkblade dotters like to dot them insta
tardy sequoia
so heroic throw is a bit of a dumb option?
strong forum
heroic throw does generate good aggro
but its only 1 mob at a time
but a very good way to generate aggro on far away mobs
chilly brook
which made mastery also sim way higher, because SimC confused our deepwounds, wi...
That makes a lot of sense because the sims didn't line up at all with the actual performance
strong forum
which is exactly why i did a small
and mwahi worked his magic
incidentally, arms mastery ontop of our mastery would immediately fix our dmg output
as old sims showed us
strong forum
it would be 🆗
chilly brook
idk how to feel about my 201 outlaw out simming my 208 WW
sick sentinel
did they change arms mastery 🤔
strong forum
Yes
Arms mastery is now a small bleed + damage amplifier
When in bfa it was just full on big dick bleed dmg
strong forum
Well the change in mastery is why arms is alot weaker in pve now
Cuz they didn't buff the spec enough to account for the 40% dmg loss of the change
sick sentinel
we all know how good blizzard is at tuning
turbid horizon
make cleave baseline 
dull zodiac
is the Top trinket worth anything?
the phsyical dmg/ heal proc
viscera of something something
jagged pier
its meh
dull zodiac
not sure what to use
pvp badge is 197, the vial from plaguefall 184 the viscerra 200 , the DOs trinket is 184
jagged pier
id use phial and cryustal
ionic fern
Ugh, my head.
THe pack before Ardenwald in DoS with all the casters+inspiring raptors..without CC'ing they tell me "Don't kite" and then proceed to do 7k DPS with CD's on a +17.
dull zodiac
🤣
jakey is there any specific r eason to use crystal over dmf trinket?
basically crit on use vs hste on use? whys the crit better? idk im just asking im new to prot
jagged pier
ohdidnt notice that
jagged pier
probs
round raptor
offensively, is signet way ahead of the wall as leggo? was checking warcraftlogs and it seems like its not really ahead even offensively D:
jagged pier
well not really no
like it only gives u 4 secs of reck or bladestorm
where u get a lot of extra rage for revenges with the wall
round raptor
tought so, almost fell for that trap
strong forum
if it worked with ravager it would be pretty strong, but it doesnt work with prot ravager
so its pretty terrible
heavy sail
7k with CDs is kinda par for the course throughout the duration of a trash pull.
Guess it depends what the level is of course
And also what the comp is
undone jacinth
if your dps are doing 7k on that pull you are in a lot of trouble
blazing condor
anyone know what the "average cooldown" on demo shout is when running Thunderlord in m+?
ionic fern
If you can constantly hit 3 targets then around 23 seconds.
blazing condor
thanks 🙂
sick sentinel
i didn't give up on tank yet, but i decided to level something else
haven't done nothing on warrior since like, wednesday. made a mage instead.
tardy parcel
Went from 0 timed +15s to 3 yesterday, woo! Including a 15 DoS and 16 PF! I feel really good having DoS out of the way, haha
visual drift
valid zodiac
Finally managed to find a DoS run for the keystone master. Now to get Denathrius kill for the curve and I can rest for a while
open monolith
Imagine if we had a legendary that gave Revenge a 15% chance to cast another revenge, and we gain an absorb shield worth 75% of all damage Revenge deals.
blazing condor
do urns still go off on inspired mobs?
sweet summit
ya
echo egret
Inscrutable quantum Device, any good ? Just got a 210 one while fishing for a scale
sweet summit
also in the mechagon section can you leap over the tar that knocks you off?
i dont think so
sweet summit
Inscrutable quantum Device, any good ? Just got a 210 one while fishing for a sc...
eh, long cd i dont like it
echo egret
Well my previous trinket was a 187 scale so...
smoky wave
Take scale any day of the week over iqd. I'm still using a 184 scale and it's stapled on until I get higher or a sire trinket m
echo egret
Trinkets just don’t drop for me.
smoky wave
Got a 184 scale first week. Still not replaced it 😅
sweet surge
still waiting for a 226 scale off vault 
idle bone
hakkar's scale?
sweet surge
ya
idle bone
i love that trink so much 😂
sweet surge
only got a 207 myself
idle bone
184 :/
idle bone
unfourt i have to decide between the mac and scale and a vial of caustic
sweet surge
whats the mac
subtle kayak
noob question: Does haste affect AAs? I am leveling a warrior now (52) and using the Devastator talent and I feel like I stand around with nothing to use a lot
strong forum
Yes haste affects auto attack speed
subtle kayak
ok, thanks
strong forum
Whilst playing devastator you will have a bit of downtime, also yes
sick sentinel
i like devestator because it just works on its own
void moat
I got hyper lucky and got a 223 scale a few weeks back
strong forum
Not alot, but it's there every now and again
void moat
I was straight up screaming
subtle kayak
gotcha. Yeah, I see haste reduces thunder clap and shield slam CDs as well. At the really low haste levels I have right now, I often stand around the full 5 sec waiting to use TC again lol
strong forum
Yeah, the spec is built around SS resets, so naturally you will find Windows where it doesn't reset
It just do be like that
lavish oracle
If only we had a button we could press while we wait for SS to reset...someting to fill out the rotation like a kind of...filler
To bad no spell like that exists
sweet summit
strong forum
hey our rotation is already way more involved than all the other tanks
ebon hound
I will go through this entire expansion without pressing Devastate once, that is a promise
lavish oracle
Devastator definitely feels way less bad than it did with low haste
Still doesn't feel good, though
idle bone
the mac is from council @sweet surge
rain lava
which legendary are y'all using this week in m+?
lavish oracle
The Wall, still
open monolith
anyone still using a 171 scale like me? 😦
lavish oracle
I got a 207 scale last night 😄
open monolith
I'll still use thunderlords
sweet surge
thunderlords for the damgur
next lagoon
Hello, i'm just wondering about something. Most group than i tag with look at my warrior as if the whole class was crap.
So i'm wondering, are we in such a bad state, is there any hope or should i just get on my dk instead ?
jagged pier
was doing high 3k or low 4k in dungeons today with the wall
jagged pier
Hello, i'm just wondering about something. Most group than i tag with look at ...
we are fine community perception is the issue
next lagoon
cause we're not 'godlike' for now?
strong forum
yes
jagged pier
pretty much
solid rampart
Any thought on the 5% haste buff from Niya soulbind? Seems to have a lot of uptime, but I don't see it mentioned as a good pick anywhere
next lagoon
so we're pretty good in m+/ raid . i have just to be resillient and hope that one day the communauty will see us better?
jagged pier
we are fine in all that if you play it correctly
like its the most punishing tank to play so play it wrong it really shows
next lagoon
oh ? i tought dk was the hardest to master
jagged pier
not imo DK can at least somewhat keep itself alive for longer or can vamp itself out of a mistake
we dont have that
next lagoon
oh which is why most people prefer bdk than wp?
jagged pier
i mean look at it this way i bad DK and a good DK their hp will always yoyo up and down, the difference betwen a bad prot and a good prot the good ones health doesnt move while i bad one will drop or just be dead
all the other tanks specs have a smaller skill cap so its just easier to take them basically
less hassel if u get a bad one
like a good VDH doesnt have to put in anywhere close to the same amount of work to mitiage damage etc as a prot warrior
next lagoon
hehe vdh is boring tbh:D
umm ok, ill stick to war,
( remind me bfa where we were total thin paper )
jagged pier
what we were never paper
next lagoon
at the start of bfa? felt so squishy
jagged pier
then you were playing it wrong
was the strongest mitiagation tank in the game
but no one believed it because of streamers and teirs lists like today
twilit siren
i;m thinking to change from kyrian to Night fae. cause I want to play and fury on M+. what's your opinion?
undone jacinth
nf is good
jagged pier
can play what you want wont stop u
limpid pawn
hey what's the best way to farm stygia?
jagged pier
weeklies and cap out your eye everyday
limpid pawn
lol so maw rares still?
jagged pier
yep
jagged pier
yer i mean that in the towards filling the eye daily
limpid pawn
but when i was doing maw rep ididn't do dailies, i just filled up bar w/ rares
jagged pier
dont think so
but you can do the dailies and wait to hand them in after youve completed them
limpid pawn
what's the point if it doesn't give more stygia?
jagged pier
i mean one daily equates to like 3 rares in terms of stygia and less eye progress
and you dont need to hand them in until after u hit 5 layers
so its basically extra stygia
solid granite
You guys think the 'Hold the Line'-node in Korayn Soulbind is any good? (15% leff phys dmg taken after standing for 5s)
jagged pier
I hardy stand still in raid tbh
jagged pier
i jump all the time
distant iris
Any tips for mordretha? It feels like when we get the overlap of the ghosts + gripping thing it's so much damage going out, and I can't easily gather up the adds
I have been saving a shield wall or last stand for when it happens, but it's just a major pain in the ass fight
jagged pier
i mean if the group is stacked u can Shockwave them all
distant iris
maybe we're just not stacking well enough, feels like they're a bit too spread out
distant iris
they move after interrupting?
jagged pier
i mean they will move
if they cant cast
you can also fear them if the boss is close to dying
gives u 7-10 seconds to kill the boss
strong forum
the most important thing is to hold spell reflect for the reaping scythe and not use it for other things sub 50%
besides that... interrupt adds if you can and hope your dps can cleave them fast enough and your healer uses his shit
use lust at 50% not on pull
twin oak
is it normal that with every level up my pro warrior get more and more dmg? It feels very clunky :S
distant iris
you can spell reflect the scythe 😮
I was just hitting shield block, man do I have a lot to learn :S
candid glen
Good evening . Question the otherside m+12
First two adds + adds at the end of the stairs, bloodlust , bigpull, np
Then next add group i literally melt the first two seconds. How to handel ?(my cd are all on cooldown from the first big pull)
distant iris
Thanks for the info @strong forum and @jagged pier
strong forum
You shieldwall
candid glen
Is on cd
candid glen
Ah
strong forum
You need shieldwall on the 2ndcpack
candid glen
With bolster?
strong forum
Obv
candid glen
Really? I thought the avatar clap/angermanagement + tc leg is good for demoshouts
strong forum
Noooooo
That's inting
That's terrible
Regardless of legendary you always wanna play ravager + bolster in m+
Unstoppable force is a dps loss
candid glen
Im at the toilette i gtg check which talent row ravanger is
candid glen
Ah
strong forum
It's terrible
candid glen
And no angermnagement for avatar spamm?
strong forum
Yes
You need the defensive benefit from bolster in m+
Anger management can be played on lower keys + the wall legendary in m+
But bolster is 10x better for survival in m+
Which every tank is struggling with, survival
strong forum
No, in the pins right here
chilly brook
chilly brook
chilly brook
People have to learn where to find pins griff
I'm just here to fuck with things now that I'm not a tank
candid glen
ah, "pinned messages" good stuff, i dont use discord often
strong forum
Cringe
strong forum
Atleast play a ret pally...
chilly brook
candid glen
okay i changed my talents, is the wall better than tc leg? or just preference?
chilly brook
Mostly preference
I think there might be an argument for The Wall being better in higher keys but that's based off a hunch and nothing concrete
candid glen
im only at the 12ish dungeons
torpid hill
guidance seems to be ilvl-priority over stats. I have a 197 ring. 105 haste/59 vers with a socket.
alternatives are 203 rings with haste/mastery, crit/mastery, crit/haste.
I'd be surprised if the 203s still outdo the 197. any thoughts?
chilly brook
Well....
Considering all our stats are super close defensively.....
Just pick the one that has the most overall stats
torpid hill
Huh. So even if it's a notable haste drop, that's still the strategy.
next lagoon
so basically ilvl > everything && at same ilvl haste>all ?
chilly brook
You wont really be negatively impacted by going ilvl on jewelry
strong forum
id use the 197+ socket + 203 with crit haste
chilly brook
so basically ilvl > everything && at same ilvl haste>all ?
Pretty much
strong forum
the socket alone makes it 210
torpid hill
16 haste is worth that much ilvl?
strong forum
at rings and necklace an ilvl drop of 10ilvl can be done for better stats
a socket alone is worth like 12ilvl on rings
candid glen
is there a macro section for warrior macros?
strong forum
there is only 1 macro
candid glen
ok
torpid hill
have people found into the fray valuable over ravager?
torpid hill
so dps + rage gen is more valuable in m+
strong forum
yes
chilly brook
I dont think itf is more rage tha ravager tbh at least not in m+
strong forum
the low CD and aoe dmg + rage gen from ravager is better in m+
ITF is just more dmg in ST
thats why its played, not really because of the defensive benefit
torpid hill
I'm surprised given the shield block uptime, but that makes sense, ty
strong forum
the 10% haste wont make or beak your SB uptime
jagged pier
but u run bolster in m+ as well so that makes sb uptime better
torpid hill
is the ~10 ilvl/socket pretty consistent. e.g. 213 wrist with socket > 216 wrist w/o
and just gem/enchant haste everywhere
torpid hill
is there a table for that?
torpid hill
got it. thanks for the responses. finally had a good night of m+'s last night, so I'm doubling down on what I can do to improve
strong forum
rings neck is 10-12ilvl
wrists belt is 7ilvl
helmet is 3ilvl
spiral igloo
how much difficulty have you all experienced pugging m+?
torpid hill
wildly varying
strong forum
i dont pug so no clue
jagged pier
how much difficulty have you all experienced pugging m+?
fine no problem tbh
strong forum
i rather quit the game than pug
spiral igloo
I'm primarily going to be raid tanking, but at times I won't be able to run m+ without guildies
torpid hill
around 10s +/- it's all all over the place, people are getting filtered out
jagged pier
im puggin 14-16s no probelm at all
torpid hill
but a good healer and competent tank make all the difference. routes and marking on tough pulls is huge
jagged pier
sure a few depletes but happens anyway with guildies
torpid hill
at those high of keys a lot of people are filtered out :P
spiral igloo
yea as a main dps, tank carries the dungeon hands down
grand drum
I never tank pugs, too stressful
spiral igloo
if your tank doesn't know route its depleted key
vocal trellis
If you go even higher dps are carrying again... Tank is packing, then running away and watches the packs tick down, waving at his mates
spiral igloo
tank is good, its like being shepherded by your big bro or something
torpid hill
had a mostly smooth 11 top last night. I gave my spiel at the start and we blasted
though being on a different portal platform and having prideful go off two platforms back because people died
that sucks
spiral igloo
yea
I guess the lack of availability of competent tanks overcomes the community perception against prot wars?
jagged pier
i mean i keep getting complmented by healers and they add me 🤷, but yes tanks are very high demand
ive been rejected from keys to not being a VDH then i get into another key and finish look in group finder that group still looking for a tank
torpid hill
I learned last night that I just suck and need to get better, because I had good runs
spiral igloo
VDH is crutch honestly
cheat death, 100% uptime, insane mobility
allows bad-avg players push above their true capability
hence why its meta lol
strong forum
its also just better
as much as i hate to say it
but it just is
id argue
vers is a bigger crutch
especially S4 BFA meta
people stacking 90% vers
torpid hill
there's probably a happy medium between where prot is now and where vdh is
strong forum
that has brought forth a generation of very bad tanks
vocal trellis
Vdh is objectively stronger... But it's kinda weird that they can facetank a pack as good as a warrior... Shouldn't be like that in my opinion
spiral igloo
I agree. I'm only going prot warr b/c my raid doesn't have a war and one of our tanks doesn't want to be tanking so were having to replace internally
but I'm going to maximize my capabilities with the cards I've been given
strong forum
VDH is only as good as they are because of Meta and FB leggo
well their dmg output also helps
those 2 things are the single biggest reason why they are as tanky as they are
chilly brook
Vdh is objectively stronger... But it's kinda weird that they can facetank a pac...
I could face tank a lot of things as DH in BFA without vers corruption
Its not that weird
strong forum
theyre not overly facetanky either, every tank should atleast be equal, atleast in m+
for raiding their FB uptime is quite stupid
chilly brook
Especially if you played around your meta and Last Resort procs
If you weren't using Last Resort as a pull enabler lmao
Everyone slept on VDH prior to SL because their damage was poop and they were kinda doodoo in 8.0
vocal trellis
Its not that weird
I am not talking about weird in the way that I don't get it. I just think if compare both class phantasies and how you feel they should be played its weird in a way
chilly brook
I mean
What's weird about a dude who turns into a giant ass demon being able to face tank
vocal trellis
That he is running around half naked half of the time and still takes almost no dmg without meta
strong forum
they take truckloads of damage without meta
vocal trellis
40% dmg reduce plays out huge
vocal trellis
Downtime like 8 to 10 sec
strong forum
well you have to play the game somehow
torpid hill
are people eating/flasking/weapon oiling regularly?
modern brook
not irl
vocal trellis
Don't forget your chest stam
chilly brook
Big pump
spiral igloo
I always oil myself... in game and irl 
torpid hill
am I seeing it right that celestial guidance is preferred over ascended vigor?
jagged pier
are people eating/flasking/weapon oiling regularly?
anything over a 14 in m+ wise and raid all the time
torpid hill
I should have qualified m+ but yeah got it
coarse kestrel
why wouldn't you be flashed and oiled
torpid hill
i dont even know what ascended vigor does
occasionally (when receiving damage) +12% healing received for 10 seconds
strong forum
not worth it
torpid hill
it's like 10x the cost of celestial guidance too
strong forum
5% strength with good uptime if infinitely better
coarse kestrel
im in the maw and im flasked and oiled, dailies flasked and oiled. im afk in stormwind flasked and oiled
strong forum
oof
torpid hill
I'm poor, that's why I ask
last mason
so if u fail layer 1 tc u have to do 18 floors again
fuck that
guess im never unlocking tc
jagged pier
im tc is very easy as prot
last mason
took the stacking dmg/reduced max health
bbut i dont have time to just grind out 18 floors idk
torpid hill
do it with a group, stack the defensives and become invincible like halfway through
took about 80 minutes each to do layers 7 and 8. not short, but better than prot grind for me.
torpid hill
I dunno, solo damage output seemed too low
last mason
i ended up with 20k health
and 210% increased dmg
cuz of the one power
and couldnt click it off
chilly brook
I dunno, solo damage output seemed too low
Solo'd all 8 layers no wipes
Execute go brrrrr
torpid hill
i ended up with 20k health
wet paper towel
torpid hill
Solo'd all 8 layers no wipes
clearly I'm bad
I tried solo layer 1. I got that boss that does the intimidate with stacking -health % received
torpid hill
couldn't kite enough to drop the stacks, couldn't do enough dps push through it
torpid hill
granted that was like 25 ilvls ago
jagged pier
gg
chilly brook
I tried solo layer 1. I got that boss that does the intimidate with stacking -he...
Interrupt the intimidate and stun if you cant
Also yes the ilvl would make a difference lol
torpid hill
of course I tried the interrupts, I recall feeling like I still didn't have enough
maybe I'll go back and do layer 1 solo for funsies now that I'm not as trash of a tank
torpid hill
he casts it every few seconds. stormbolt + shockwave wasn't enough. can't recall if it was fearable.
anyway, I digress. there was definitely PEBKAC there
chilly brook
Probably
You cant get them all but you should have enough time to stop it and let it drop or just blow him up
torpid hill
changing topic. +9 spires was actually kind of tough for me the other day if the dps wasn't smart. a few of the bad packs before the 2nd boss, two of sap/trap/sheep should be enough CC right? maybe hibernate an etherwyrm.
chilly brook
Should be more than enough
Etherwyrms you just yolo pull
Stun their casts so they sync
And then reflect
torpid hill
I'm thinking of the pack just south of the 2nd boss
there's a lone wyrm in there
but yeah makes sense
vocal trellis
You can use spear for that pack and make use of all your hard interrupts like fear and sb/aoe stun too
Don't bother kicking the normal dmg cast and focus on burden, heal and birdie cast
candid glen
quick question, raidbots premium, is the basic sub enough for good simming?
jagged pier
what do u mean by good simming?
strong forum
you dont need to sub to get a good sim
the only thing premium gets you is quicker sims and being able to compare bigger samplesizes of items
if you only want to compare like 5 items, you dont need premium
candid glen
tyvm
torpid hill
raidbots didn't add tanking simming did it?
strong forum
90% of the resources they have is stolen from other sources
tank simming is not possible because there are way too many factors to consider
WAY TOO MANY
anyone who says otherwise is just wrong and lying
jagged pier
^^ this
strong forum
if you absolutely feel the need for it, sure
jagged pier
i have the standard thing because im inpatenice and was dpsing last tier so simmed like amillions things ago
strong forum
line is never bigger than a few seconds
unless you sim literally on reset day during raid time
candid glen
for me its always been 3 min +
strong forum
then its like a minute
wanton condor
unless you're doing really intense simming or TC work it's probably not worthwhile, but it's also only $5
I have it because I do shaman TC work so it's basically necessary unless I want to do the messy simulationcraft setup on my machine, but I wouldn't really recommend it otherwise if you're just doing great vault and raid drop sim
candid glen
i guess ill try the cheapest one then hehe
torpid hill
there's also the "support the site"" argument
candid glen
oh wait, they dont accept paypal?
candid glen
why lol
strong forum
:^)
candid glen
okay rip.
wanton condor
there's also the "support the site"" argument
yeah, they do an amazing product if you can give away the cash
which is part of why I pay rather than monkey with simc on my pc
verbal pelican
What trinket is better? indomitable deck or Overwhelming Power Crystal from DOS (184)?
verbal pelican
allright then
steady belfry
Any tips for a new prot warrior tank?
torpid hill
mortal carbon
hi guys i'm struggling a bit on hungering destroyer mythic
I somehow often die just from whitehits and stacks
i have sb up for the tank hit but 15 stacks and soaking is rough
is there something i'm doing wrong?
ebon hound
15 stacks of Miasma kinda high
strong forum
dont soak as much
if youre actively tanking dont go above 10 stacks
tank swap often
hungering destroyer does almost negative tank damage
we swap after every overwhelm for example
jsut because theres no reason to tank longer
ebon hound
^ swapping on the bonks lines up very nicely with shield block timers as well
you can have very high uptime on it
mortal carbon
ok sorry not talking about tank stacks
we 4 tank the boss with 2 camps tanks always soaking
mortal carbon
pepega monke tactic
open monolith
I Was wondering when someone was going to address that
strong forum
you mean "deal less damage for no reason" tactic
just have 4 camps
people assigned to each camp
tanks freestyle
2 tank
and swap on overwhelm
done
sturdy sable
I think my veng co tank tries to go as high as he can
I think his best was in the 60s
open monolith
real men swap on 4 stacks
sturdy sable
Of the soak stacks
mellow patio
Oh yeah veng are super soakers
Also I’ve been seeing that 4 tank stat and it makes me sick
mellow patio
Absolutely gross
blazing condor
Does the first tank on Stone Legion clear their first stack on the first crystalize?
feels like otherwise both tanks sit on stacks
jagged pier
i clear at 4 stacks with phial
blazing condor
well what would the general strat be?
strong forum
huh, i thought you cant cleanse that with phial
i just let my DH get 3-4 stacks, then i taunt for crystalise
blazing condor
and yeah i thought so too but i might be wrong
strong forum
he gets in to clear stacks
sinful depot
My co tank and I usually swap when we have two stacks
strong forum
my cotank perma tanks Khaal, i never do
sinful depot
He's a pally so he can clear his own stacks with bop and divine shield
blazing condor
zzz everyone does it differently
the general consensus is 2 stacks but the crystalise to stack timings gets all fucked if you do
strong forum
my cotank is VDH, i let him deal with the shit
FB + selfheal, his issue
i only tank khaal for like 3 seconds that hes stunned by crystalize
then he taunts back
i perma tank adds
sinful depot
When both bosses are done very easy to clear stacks because grashaal doesn't auto when casting crystalized
low timber
If I plan to main prot but sometimes do arms for raids will I be garbage if I go kyrian or is it still competetive with condemn.jpg
jagged pier
If I plan to main prot but sometimes do arms for raids will I be garbage if I go...
are talking prot wise or arms wise?
blazing condor
id say youre probably better of being a venthyr prot than kyrian arms
sinful depot
I've tanked 10/10 H as venthyr and did just fine
strong forum
its obv fine
low timber
What about m+? I wanna mostly do m+ prot tanking but not be trash in a raid setting
strong forum
venthyr is borderline uselss in m+, but it wont stop you from playing it
blazing condor
#1 prot warr is venthyr rn :- )
jagged pier
yer but plka is the only one pushing really
strong forum
even he himself is not really pushing 😄
jagged pier
also true
sinful depot
In m+ can definitely see the phial from kyrian help better for survivability
jagged pier
the only problem with venthyr in m+ is you cant use it in aoe
strong forum
spear is also just more damage
jagged pier
true
strong forum
and rage
again, venthyr wont stop you from doing anything
but it is worse than kyrian / nightfae
lofty widget
does anyone have a mouseover macro for spear?
lofty widget
thx alot
astral crystal
#1 prot warr is venthyr rn :- )
good thing everyone in here is #1 prot warr rio capable huh :^)
patent osprey
definitely
strong forum
see
jagged pier
no clue
last mason
enh looks hella fun
and i kinda want an alt
and i feel like im done gearing this toon p much
strong forum
everytime i log onto my other 60
im like yeah okay
nvm i have to do maw, renown, torghast and gear
logoff
last mason
ya thats the only thing stopping me
fucking reclimb pvp
bbut im 224 on this toon rn
and after i get a 2h theres only m+
idk if thats an SL problem or a me probblem lol
strong forum
id say an SL problem
cuz in BFA i atleast played m+ for fun, now i avoid m+ for fun
last mason
in legion i could spam m+ forever and it was always fun
but thats long gone i guess
i actually like SL m+, they just need to tune down overall trash dmg bby like a flat amount or something
jagged pier
theyve already done that like a few times
strong forum
thats the one thing they need to change
last mason
the majoritty of which is white dmg
strong forum
every tank gets destroyed not by tank busters, but by every single pack they dont have CDs on
sure tank busters are a thing aswell
last mason
yes this^
last mason
like i literally know i will die if i go into a pack without ardent/wings
the only thing that saves me in those packs are externals
like bbinding
trees
vortex
i dont want to bbe forced to rely on other classes so much
strong forum
thing is however aswell
pwar excels vs auto attacks a ton
and is basically our niche
but like something has to be done
steep lake
last mason
@strong forum but even for pwar, there are so many melee magic nukes like bonestrike and anima weps
and slimeclaws
ik u can sr slimeclaws but still
and those guys in SD
ghouls
strong forum
bonestrike and anima weapons are magic damage
so are slimeclaws
so not really auto attacks
last mason
ik thats my point
so even with block
u get shredded in melee
on a tank thats supposed to be like the melee bbrick wall
strong forum
as squishei mentioned
those 3 specifically are what make m+ tanking so bad
unannounced instant magic attacks / mega short cast time magic attacks
coarse kestrel
190 shieldwall or 210 thunderlord for heroic raid?
strong forum
wall
coarse kestrel
that big a difference huh?
strong forum
its alot more rage
TL requires constant 3 mobs to be better rage than Wall
on 1 and 2 targets, wall is better
coarse kestrel
haste / vers for shoulders on wall?
strong forum
si
coarse kestrel
gracias
undone jacinth
anyone dps'd council of blood mythic?
strong forum
youll have prolly more luck in the dps channels eh
loud topaz
Hi guys , which trinket from Castle is better ?
blazing condor
Depends on what youre doing i suppose but sun king trinket and stone legion are pretty good
blazing condor
Hi guys , which trinket from Castle is better ?
Im sure the sire one works too
coarse kestrel
into the fray over ravager in raid? ravager is so great though, is the haste that much better?
wow not even a question on warcraft logs, everyone takes fray. what have I been doing
vestal moat
You are much more likely to have the full 10% buff at all times from ITF and less likely to need the ranged aggro in a raid.
The dps from ravager also matters a lot less in raid.
as opposed to a key.
ocean bloom
unstoppable force is pretty bad atm
stray sonnet
even with thunderlord leggo?
i thought unstoppable force would synergize with thunderlord leggo
and do i want bolster or anger management?>
undone jacinth
either of them depending on situation
and unstoppable still not great even with thunderlord
coarse kestrel
i think icy veins says something about the synergy and it throws everyone off re unstoppable
because i thought the same thing before
stray sonnet
so thunderlord > the wall for m+?
waxen steppe
Do most people take Devastator on tier 1 talents? im quiet like war machine
patent osprey
so thunderlord > the wall for m+?
preference
solemn magnet
Do most people take Devastator on tier 1 talents? im quiet like war machine
Devestator
waxen steppe
ok thanks il give it a go
stray sonnet
whats the best tank trinket from m+?
woeful vine
preference
i'm crafting Thunderlords on tuesday to see how i like each one.
undone jacinth
hmm
think I just found some new theater of pain tech
does anyone bait kultharoks no-melee casts?
undone jacinth
idk which legendary to make first on bear
UFR
ember marsh
hmm
ik ufr is pretty good
but i think i raid more than i m+ plus im kinda scared to do keys as a new tank
i watched dorkis vids today on it and he said both are super solid but ufr isnt too good for raiding
but depends on the boss
idk
tropic cypress
On the second dog of mythic huntsman is a taunt swap necessary? I assume it’s for having extra cool downs for the soul rip since you don’t use a lot for tanking huntsman
native mesa
Nope
tropic cypress
Tanking with a dh atm and he regens so fast that usually not as issue. Just wondered if I was missing something
native mesa
Only the first dog. No need to swap on second or third.
tropic cypress
Sweet. Also. Is it better for the warrior to take the dogs. I feel like with shield block alone I can keep huntsman without any trouble. But wondered if it would be just as good for the dogs
In a dh warr setup
Feel like the self heals warrs lack would make it a little more difficult
undone jacinth
i watched dorkis vids today on it and he said both are super solid but ufr isnt ...
this is generally true, depends how much you are intending on raiding, bark is super nice in raid
ember marsh
dorki was saying bark is pretty good in m+ too but of course offers nothing offensive
but since im a serial pugger than might be better
having to rely on randoms
undone jacinth
bark is good in m+ too
ember marsh
well thats my point
undone jacinth
the issue is that UFR shores up the weakness of damage bear has
and is as good if not better at high keys
ember marsh
but he was also saying UFR makes you unkillable during incarn
undone jacinth
and is 100% better for lower keys
ember marsh
it seems like u do keys mroe
ember marsh
well bark is definitely much better for raiding for most encounters
undone jacinth
if you are raiding then UFR feels super lame even if it on paper is fine
undone jacinth
it is yea
ember marsh
when it says 75% of all damge it deals i assume it means the dots too?
cause if so then its basically bramble lol
for raiding
undone jacinth
idk its hard to explain but bark would be completely insane on any other tank
just feels like overkill on bear
ember marsh
oh yeah
ember marsh
yep
undone jacinth
so it just all comes from that
undone jacinth
and ignoring necrotic
undone jacinth
welcome to the club my friend
I have been pugging on my prot necrolord warrior
they dont know until you put the banner down
...then they still dont know because it doesn't do anything 😦
ember marsh
necrlord is cool in theory, it should be like..
native mesa
Sweet. Also. Is it better for the warrior to take the dogs. I feel like with shi...
Probably doesn’t matter- both are super mobile and have enough defense for the dogs and altimor who hits fairly hard
ember marsh
idk necrolord banner just needs to be better
if it were more than just 2 allies and it was bigger range
it could be pretty okay
also if the Glory shit applied to your party as well
could be a good selfless shit, just like NF priest
but condemn is too good
or spear for prot
did they ever nerf that bonesmith talent that reflects dmg
torn parcel
I just tanked N natharia for the first time, is it weird to love tanking raids but hate tanking dungeons?
undone jacinth
is it
torn parcel
oh, cool
ember marsh
yes
most people hate the playstyle of tanking for dungeons
but raiding is more relaxed
undone jacinth
every tank ive spoken to says raid tank = boring dungeon tank = fun
torn parcel
M+ is just so stressful to me
undone jacinth
I definitely can see that this expac
ember marsh
the kiting and shit
undone jacinth
has not been all that fun
ember marsh
granted bear and prot are probably the best tanks for facetanking
prot warrior to be specific
prot pal u gotta kite, vdh, bdk as well
undone jacinth
that sounds like an upside
ember marsh
it is
undone jacinth
but when you're required to kite
being good at facetanking
and bad at kiting
is actually a big downside
ember marsh
well duh
undone jacinth
which is how dungeons currently work in high keys
kiting as bear feels completely disgusting
feels like i'm punching my mum
ember marsh
i think its natural to kite a little bit
but
i think prior the past few dungeon nerfs it was too prevalent
its probably lessened by now but i havent really paid attention to high key stuff since
sonic lichen
have you gotten to 15s yet dolphin?
i just wanna get to 15s as my prot war lol
but heard keeping aggro is hard bc damage?
undone jacinth
ye I have
err
nah a lot of that comes from people using spells wrong
using ravager before you charge helps with aggro significantly
undone jacinth
and tbh in 99% of keys above 15 you have a Hunter or rogue available for them
don’t use that personally
vague thistle
feels like i'm punching my mum
this analogy makes no sense to me, but lawd, it made me chuckle
undone jacinth
lol can’t explain it any other way
forgot to mention @ember marsh if you wanna be ultra brain you can go circle on bear if you have decent gear for raid
ember marsh
i have circle from when i was playing feral
but eh
not worth
draught for raid seems to be the go to for dps
from what i see on warcraftlogs
undone jacinth
yeah draught will always win
pretty sure it’s the best for feral too although people don’t think so
circle is just multipurpose
can use it for all specs, in m+ and you can get good value in raid from it by owl weaving
and it gives you more rage
ember marsh
well
i have the ferociuos bite proc one
thats the most satisfying one when iw as palying feral
undone jacinth
apex