protection

[ember marsh]

most people dont log keys i feel

[undone jacinth]

but I think he did push recently according to someone else

[ember marsh]

theres really no point in logging keys

i feel

[strong forum]

yeah but hes also the bear pumper

[ember marsh]

logging raiding makes sense

[strong forum]

if anyone does dmg on bear its him

[undone jacinth]

they are useful to see what went wrong

not for parses

[patent osprey]

do people even look at my prot war keys logs lol

do as I say not as I do

I'm a mongo

[strong forum]

i look at mine sometimes when comparing others

but outside memes, no

[patent osprey]

I have never ever looked at my logs

tbh someone mentioned it in here was the first time I heard I had key logs

[strong forum]

its good if you wanna push higher

just like raiding

[undone jacinth]

I just use them as like a rough guideline when some donuts start making definitive comments about how bears do more damage than monks and stuff like that

but theres not enough of them to be of much use

samples are tiny

[strong forum]

its like 3 bears

vs 100 monks

vs 1000 vdhs

[undone jacinth]

yup and a lot of the best players aren't logging and even the logs themselves are influenced by comp, pulls etc

main use of logs should be seeing who ninja pulled xd

[patent osprey]

I dunno , every key is different so it's hard to find useful info

[undone jacinth]

I mean most relevant info is just strat stuff

like snap spots or pull combinations, pride routes etc

I miss shrine of the storm snap spots 😦

[lofty widget]

guys, urgent news for anyone playing with a rogue

have them blade flurry before using spears in NW and this can happen

[undone jacinth]

what if a fury warrior does whirlwind before it? 😮

[ember marsh]

lmao

that defintiely seems unintended

[lofty widget]

definitely is, but it made for an awkward situation on third boss when the other dps popped cd's and boss went from 100 % to 40 %

with 1 spear

[ember marsh]

lmao

[undone jacinth]

lol

with 1 add?

[lofty widget]

yeah

that one died instantly

[twilit siren]

CN 1st boss why I cant do more than 2k dps :/

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/56162179

[ember marsh]

hmm

[ocean bloom]

id swap to the Wall for more rage over thunderlord but maybe it sims better single target but i doubt it

[ember marsh]

have all raid buffs

he is using the wall

[ocean bloom]

for feb 6th kill?

[ember marsh]

it wont let me look at the log

i just only see what currently is equippped

[ocean bloom]

oh yeah it wouldnt let me see his best kill only the feb 6th one

[twilit siren]

yes and at heroic i have the same dps

[ember marsh]

u should be using the wall for raiding

thunderlord for m+

and if u want to cheese the logs u can use signed of tormented kings

but not worth unless u multi spec

[ocean bloom]

the only time i go above 2k dps is if we skip an intermission phase

[ember marsh]

sounds about right

if ur kills are slow or sloppy your parse will suffer

[chilly brook]

You say that

But I think my longest kill also has a 99

[ocean bloom]

monkaS

[ember marsh]

hmmm

i mean in general anyways

but too many variables

[twilit siren]

Do you think that my logs and gear stats are okay?

[ember marsh]

we can't really see the log

so

[chilly brook]

1st boss is really crappy for overall dps

[twilit siren]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/silvermoon/Cyclopas

from here maybe

[ember marsh]

id ignore shriekwing parses honestly

[chilly brook]

So your log compared to mine for casts

[ocean bloom]

wait why are you casting shockwave lol

if its during downtime w/e lol

[chilly brook]

So my kill is about 40 seconds shorter than yours

And I have almost as many shield slam casts

And extra 12 revenge casts

8 more executes

1 more demoralizing shout cast

And 2 more avatars

I also almost matched your spear casts

[modern brook]

And 4 more shockwaves :)

[chilly brook]

I didnt touch shockwave

[modern brook]

4 less shockwaves

[chilly brook]

Also what's with the shattering throw?

[undone jacinth]

you do it on pull

for dmg

pre-cast

[chilly brook]

[undone jacinth]

what fight is it

[chilly brook]

Shriek

[undone jacinth]

dunno man u gotta start linking logs instead of pictures at some stage

[chilly brook]

He linked logs above

I'm just comparing portions of his to mine

[undone jacinth]

right

so what do you need to know

i dont understand

[twilit siren]

your more skills of use, are cause of more haste you have?

[echo egret]

Inscrutable Quantum Device, how good ? just got a 210 one

[twilit siren]

or i have to click faster?

[chilly brook]

My gut feeling is just not pressing the buttons as much as he should be

[undone jacinth]

why did u paste the pictures after asking about throw

im confused

[chilly brook]

Because throw was a side bar comment

[lofty thistle]

He always has way more ignore pain uses then you

seems like he sits on shield slam to long though

[undone jacinth]

the first time he cast shield block was 27 seconds in to the fight

16 seconds after he taunted

[chilly brook]

Yea

Big problem

[undone jacinth]

I can't see your log but the bulk of the difference seems to be not getting the bonus shield slam damage and also casting half as many executes

[twilit siren]

So, what's I have to improve?

[undone jacinth]

you are parsing blue

ignore your damage

and focus on using your tank abilities

you're not using shield block against the boss

start there

[gaunt dawn]

Do your rotation as a tank

You parse 90+

[chilly brook]

Press shield slam on CD

[gaunt dawn]

That's how many bad tanks there are

Its insane

[chilly brook]

Revenge when you dont need IP

Pop defensives at the end and tunnel execute

Ez parse

Press avatar more often

[gaunt dawn]

Use defensives rotationally

[chilly brook]

Block when you're actively tanking

Profit

[gaunt dawn]

Always be in melee range (insane this is actually a piece of advice)

Only dip out when you need to

E.g. shriek on the last second leap out (or if there is a blood pool near boss already go in that and stack em and pop a defensive)

Let the boss knock you out on intermission

That's 10-15s more dps time on a fast kill

🎉

[chilly brook]

Dats a problem

[gaunt dawn]

That is a problem

[chilly brook]

For reference

[undone jacinth]

I can see what he's doing

he's using shield wall instead of shield block

[gaunt dawn]

Uh...

[undone jacinth]

he opens with shield wall and casts shield block when it ends

he's trying to tunnel dps and not use rage on defensives

but shield block increases your dps

well, increases your slams

if you just simply cast block more and then focus on getting more executes off (by building more rage at the end) then that is all of the missing damage

[ember marsh]

for experienced tanks in here can yall rank how button mashy the 6 tanks are

[twilit siren]

Thanks for the infos

[ember marsh]

might be a weird metric

i feel like ive just been sitting in here all day asking random dumb questions

LMAO

[undone jacinth]

uhhh

[chilly brook]

Block is the only reason I can think as to why my shield slam does 600 more damage than his when he has a higher ilvl weapon than me

But that's been covered

[undone jacinth]

guardian is the most mashy, then vdh, warrior, paladin, brewmaster, bdk

in my opinion

[ember marsh]

brewmaster being 5th for button mashy? doesnt sound right

[undone jacinth]

brewmaster is the one I'm not sure about

could be wrong

[chilly brook]

You're not really mashing buttons as BrM

Its GCD locked but it's not mashy

[undone jacinth]

all tanks are gcd locked really yeah

[spiral igloo]

I'm a recent dps turned prot since our raid group desperately needs someone with a brain at tank, and we don't have a consistent warrior. How is the current state of prot warr as a tank?

[undone jacinth]

I assumed you meant same button spam

[chilly brook]

Especially since you have a static GCD

[ember marsh]

just button mashing in general

[chilly brook]

I.e. BrMs GCD doesn't change

[ember marsh]

like havoc has only a couple buttons but with the insane haste you get from meta and eye beam

[undone jacinth]

every tank is doing something, tank apm in general is very high

[ember marsh]

you end up mashing so hard

[undone jacinth]

it's only really bdk that you're doing nothing

[ember marsh]

jesus

[chilly brook]

Smash>BoK>RJW>BoK>Smash

[ember marsh]

there's like 245k prot paladins, 220k vdh, 136k bear, 119k bdk, 86k brm, 71k prot warrior

thats pretty insane disparity

[rotund halo]

is unbreakable worth it raid wise? or is the wall just that good

[ember marsh]

https://i.imgur.com/1H298r0.png

[azure oracle]

So few brewmasters huh, arent they pretty strong? i find them pretty fun to aswell

[ember marsh]

i think the issue is popularity

[spiral igloo]

I'm guessing most people cant wrap their heads around the stagger concept

[ember marsh]

because right now windwalkers are so good

brewmaster is less appealing for mystic touch

[azure oracle]

true

[undone jacinth]

monk just isnt a popular class afaik

[ember marsh]

approx 365k monks

[undone jacinth]

has taken wws being amazing to get people to it

[ember marsh]

211k of those are ww

[undone jacinth]

ya

[unique shale]

monk is popular class so far in every exp

[undone jacinth]

what are those stats from

[ember marsh]

theres more mm hunters than there are monks in total

wowranks.io they pull API of covenant choices

but you can sort it by spec

so you can see raw numbers

[undone jacinth]

im guessing its not like mythic players or whatever

[ember marsh]

of how many there are

[azure oracle]

everyone is buging me about playing DH tank, cause im the only one in my group that likes to tank. Buuut man i cant get over how booring DH is 😛 Even how strong they are. just booring 😛

[ember marsh]

its literally pulling it from blizzard's api by scanning characters through armory

[undone jacinth]

because like saying theres 100k ferals and 400k mm hunters ends up translating to like 1k ferals and 200k hunters when it comes to like mythic raiding lol

[ember marsh]

oh well yes

this doesnt take in account for the non casuals

this is the only that surprises me

since ashen hallow is so good

[spiral igloo]

the funny thing is tho casuals take cues on the meta from mythic raiders

[unique shale]

you are fine with port war

[undone jacinth]

do you play pala?

[ember marsh]

no

but i know how strong ashen hallow is

[undone jacinth]

so first of all kyrian is equally as good in terms of power level

[ember marsh]

kyrian isnt bad but like

[undone jacinth]

but kyrian is SO satisfying its hard to explain

[ember marsh]

im aware

[spiral igloo]

so even tho they cant do more than 3k dps on a good day they cry about non DH tanks imo

[undone jacinth]

pressing the button is just amazing

[ember marsh]

kyrian is probably better for m+ consistency

but for raiding ashen hallow is invaluable

and it can be really good for m+ too

use it on prides

[undone jacinth]

its good for prog damage checks

kyrian still is better overall consistency

[ember marsh]

if i played prot id go venthyr no questions asked

but since picking a tank means you have to consider the other specs when you want to do other content aka pvp and waht not

fuck ret.

so i pretty much wont play paladin

ive never made one

[quiet nexus]

Is it important for dps to give us a couple gcd to grab aggro before they go in?

[undone jacinth]

think youd be surprised how well kyrian performs

even the top players have switched

[ember marsh]

im aware its strong

but ashen hallow is invaluable for raiding

[unique shale]

people crying for dh all time in pugs

[undone jacinth]

dont really know what that means

it has specific uses

[ember marsh]

ashen hallow is insane

[undone jacinth]

so is kyrian

[jagged pulsar]

For prot in raid? Not really

[undone jacinth]

in general, for prot you're getting more out of venth I imagine

[quiet nexus]

I think blizzard is doing ok job addressing issues. Prob dh will not be as mandatory pretty soon

[ember marsh]

idk man

[spiral igloo]

so my guess for why blizzard is allowing prot to languish rn is becaues prot warr was the choice for bfa s4

[ember marsh]

mythic kills

[sweet summit]

capable

[jagged pulsar]

Phial stops cheesing bleeds on mythic so you lose that utility

[ember marsh]

also

[undone jacinth]

these random pictures

[ember marsh]

general draven dmg reduction is pretty nice

[undone jacinth]

i cant take it

[ember marsh]

its mythic clears

for prot paladins

[undone jacinth]

link it

[quiet nexus]

Numba 1 in m+ rn is prot pali

Actually

Still mostly dh but

Shows possibility

[sweet summit]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-character-rankings/season-sl-1/world/all/tank/0#content

its all dh

and andy

and dorki

[ember marsh]

27th is regya

[strong forum]

tomo is big dick

[undone jacinth]

the kyrian prot pala yea

[quiet nexus]

Hm u rite

[ember marsh]

the reason why

he runs kyrian

is cause they have a hpal

oh the hpal is kyrian too

[undone jacinth]

facepalm

[spiral igloo]

nice, the top rated warr is 800 io behind

[strong forum]

thats what happens if you have nobody seriously pushing

[dreamy shell]

So to get started tanking with focus on 5-mans.... what dungeon is best to run over and over to get the ‘muscle memory’ built up ? Assuming normals and heroics can be run back to back or is there a lockout ? Weekly/daily whatever

[ember marsh]

id imagine prot pally for kyrian would be really good with hpal venthyr

[undone jacinth]

no

[quiet nexus]

But at +15 pretty much everyone is viable right

[undone jacinth]

kyrian is just good

flat

[spiral igloo]

christ what am I getting myself into

[undone jacinth]

for both

[strong forum]

mists is the easiest dungeon

and mainly only physical damage intake

so you can do your rotation pretty relaxed

[ember marsh]

also if u raid at all as a hpal and u dont go venthyr ur griefing

but

[quiet nexus]

Personally mist and theater of pain r ez 4 me

[strong forum]

dont worry too much about the highest of keys done, its legit that nobody is pushing seriously as prot war

[undone jacinth]

you use venthyr for specific damage checks

[strong forum]

Plka even said just today hes just playing with friends and not going ham trying to do the highest possible keys with the best possible specs

[undone jacinth]

thats it

ur not griefing by playing kyrian lol

[ember marsh]

it makes healing easier for your healers and either allows you to save a raid CD and/or make your healers able to do some dmg

more than usual

[undone jacinth]

playing the covenant that provides better healing also helps your healers

is just a simple minded thing to say

[ember marsh]

yes kryian has more throughput but ashen hallow is basically an added raid cd

[undone jacinth]

yes that is what is called situational

[unique shale]

but he already has shaman healer and a mage not enough ?

[undone jacinth]

if you're a raid leader and you tell your holy paladin they are griefing by playing kyrian you are a complete moron

[visual drift]

why is the stone legion trinket so strong?

[undone jacinth]

it's just good value that's all

[ember marsh]

vers & if multiple poeople have it

its just more valuable

same with that uhh other trinket

[strong forum]

hes playing double melee, which is 1 melee too many in some dungeons, and he himself mentioned theyre friends and play with whomever is online of them

[visual drift]

But even in m+?

[last mason]

thoughts on lusting sd pack ebfore the first boss, vs the actual boss

yay or nay

[unique shale]

just get pride

[strong forum]

depends on which pack

[unique shale]

before pack

and use bl for boss

[strong forum]

wait you mean that small pack?

na you dont lust that

unless you wanna pull it into boss

[unique shale]

pretty hardcore lol

[strong forum]

its fine

if you have a firemage and pridebuff

[last mason]

no the big pack that gives pride before the first boss

[strong forum]

this pack just vanishes

na you dont lust that

no way

[unique shale]

you are talking about SD ?

[strong forum]

you always wanna lust boss

[last mason]

i fucking hate that pack

and ya sd

[undone jacinth]

just cc the gorger

and kill the pack

make sure dps aren't holding cds

[unique shale]

well the thing is most people in pug don't cc for you

[undone jacinth]

have to ask them to

[last mason]

with pugs its more like they put down binding on pull when i dont actually need it

[shy helm]

can some one give me profile for addon Threat Plates for tanking? and @kind echo me. Thanks

[last mason]

then they dont have it

when i actually need it

[unique shale]

do this then you have pride on it

[last mason]

is that worth though

feeel like if u only want 1 thing on oss it would be pride

[unique shale]

it is easier but not best way to do it

unless dps is good

then cc and pull it back

[last mason]

ugh

sd just gives me so much stress

like real irl stress

[strong forum]

thats a bad route

[vague jetty]

It is

[vague jetty]

Pull the smash guy and one tick

[strong forum]

this gives you pride just as you kill the last pack

[vague jetty]

Aye

[strong forum]

so you get it for boss

[last mason]

ya ik, thats what i usually do, was just venting about the pack that will actually give pride, with the big guy and all the ticks

[strong forum]

although you might not pull the mistdancer into the smash + tick

[last mason]

and how it hurts

[strong forum]

idk

never been an issue for me

moreso for my group cuz of interrupts

but never for me

[unique shale]

is it 10 sd ?

[last mason]

18

[unique shale]

then they have to cc it for you

[strong forum]

sleepy going for that top 5 spot

[last mason]

well ill outmyself tbh, im actually maining pally rn

so not quite hahaha

wanted some fresh air after maining warrior in bf

bfa

[strong forum]

nobody snagging that easy spot...

smh

[last mason]

but i still like this channel

sd and spires always stress me mout

[unique shale]

This week yeah

[last mason]

like im sitting in lfg rn staring at 18 sd

but idk if i need that in my life

oh ya then the gauntlet

bro just no

[strong forum]

just safe yourself some sanity

and wait for nerfs

or class buffs

[undone jacinth]

I said before but I had a DH leave SD because I wanted to cc the gorger

[strong forum]

im currently working on getting pwar dmg buffed

[undone jacinth]

SD requires a bit too much coordination to be doing in pugs imo

for your own sanity anyway

[last mason]

this meme is me every sd

the woman is the dps

sadge guy is me

[strong forum]

YesHoney

[spiral igloo]

@strong forum do you think prot will get buffs/ scale harder deeper into tiers?

[strong forum]

buffs, possibly scale harder, yes

but thats just because of haste

everybody benefits off of haste and ilvl in a way

so its not much

[last mason]

pally and war need oppositte buffs

[spiral igloo]

I imagine if we can hit >90% uptime on shield block that would be sick

[strong forum]

but it will help

[last mason]

warr needs dam

pally need base armor buff

[strong forum]

ye warri defo needs dmg buffs

i can hold my ground, but its because im relatively able to press my buttons, if i did that on other tanks id just straight up do more

except BDK

[spiral igloo]

but prot has gone this entire expansion without any buffs right? why would they start now, seems like blizz is perfectly happy having us be bottom tier dmg because of how good we were bfa s4

[strong forum]

not a single tank has received buffs

except BDK got a dmg buff

thats it so far

and making a tank weaker just because they were stronger in a previous expansion is just a limp dick reasoning

[spiral igloo]

how else would you explain their lack of tuning?

[strong forum]

corona

[last mason]

true thb

[spiral igloo]

explain

[strong forum]

and oversimming

:^)

due to corona, work is slowed down immensely

people arent in their offices, everybody working from home, reducing efficiency

communication is thus lacking

[undone sun]

not like they were efficient to begin with

[strong forum]

and that

[last mason]

as much as i like to shit on bliz tuning, i do think more work than a lot of people think goes into tuning

[strong forum]

blizz is also just very bad at frequent balancing

[last mason]

and rona would affect that

[spiral igloo]

but like

its crystal clear, we straight up dont have the numbers no matter how you swing it

[strong forum]

yeah but do they know or care?

[spiral igloo]

how cna they not?

[strong forum]

you dont know

i dont know

[last mason]

its not about just recognizing that either

thats like step 1

[spiral igloo]

class parity makes them more money

[strong forum]

pwar is historically unpopular

[spiral igloo]

if a casual feels shoehorned into playing dh to feel good, and quits, then they lose money

[strong forum]

why would they buff classes that arent played by a lot of people

and receive thus very little feedback

theres more money in catering to popular classes

by having them be happy

ykno

[spiral igloo]

my main is mm, we got nerfed, not buffed

[undone sun]

cool

[spiral igloo]

and its the most pop spec

[strong forum]

ok

[spiral igloo]

by far

[last mason]

boomy up there also

[strong forum]

they have some awareness of stuff thats grossly overperforming

[last mason]

druid and hunter are most popular classes i think

[strong forum]

druid is mega popular ye

[spiral igloo]

and by all metrics vengeance is grossly overperforming

[strong forum]

debatable

but its also just a tank

a very small % of players

[spiral igloo]

so I can't imagine the intellectual dishonesty going on with the balance team

[strong forum]

welcome to wow

:_)

[last mason]

dungeon design is a large part of what makes veng good, veng popularity is a symptom of dungeon overtuning

[undone sun]

nothing new ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

its been like that since forever

[indigo pumice]

is it worth learning how to play without devestator and take punish instead

[strong forum]

doesnt take much to learn there

but if you want to play punish go ahead

its not that much worse than devastator

but its less rage gain and clunkier rotation

[spiral igloo]

I'm completely happy to not ever press devastate

I've removed it from my actionbar

[last mason]

whats a worse button to press, devastate or hammer of the righteous

[strong forum]

mine is still there

[indigo pumice]

i just wasnt sure if their were any positives to not runing devestator talent

[spiral igloo]

same

[strong forum]

theoretically it can be better in pure ST vs magic dmg

[spiral igloo]

I deferred to the guide, and they NEVER take punish

[strong forum]

idk bout physical

[undone jacinth]

I ran a lot of numbers on it and couldnt find any scenario where it was better

because of the extra rage you get through dev

[indigo pumice]

hmm so like not even worth on sire cause u still need to tank remornia at somepoint and thats not pure st

maybe on inerva

[undone jacinth]

even when you factor perfect scenario

[spiral igloo]

hers a question... what if shield block was didnt require rage

[undone jacinth]

you get more from using the extra dev rage on IP

etc

[spiral igloo]

and still was affected by haste and gcd reduction

I feel like that would fix our dmg issues

[vague jetty]

i dobut it

doubt

[quiet nexus]

Just increase rage gen and buff ss and revenge

Have ss cleave

Lol

Would help with aggro

[undone jacinth]

literally just give thunderclap back

thats all

[strong forum]

remove the dmg softcap of 5

is already a huge buff

then buff Tclap dmg

done

make it do more damage than revenge

like you often forego it currently

to press another revenge

[undone jacinth]

if we get clap back then it gives the option of the UF AM build for damage

so it adds some diversity

[strong forum]

cuz revenge does more, its so fucking annoying

[quiet nexus]

Or increase clap rage gen and greatly increase threat gen

To give reason to slap that button more

[spiral igloo]

yea thats one thing I noticed

[strong forum]

anything will do

[spiral igloo]

If im not incorporating revenge

[strong forum]

that makes us do more dmg

[spiral igloo]

then I can't always hold aoe aggro

[strong forum]

revenge is our main dmg button gryyph

you have to incorporate it

[quiet nexus]

I feel like dps need to give a couple gcd or I cannot hold aggro

[undone jacinth]

you're not pre-ravagering

I bet

[spiral igloo]

it feels terrible to lose ignore pain or shield block uptime tho

[strong forum]

na that sounds like a missplay from your part Jaejun

[quiet nexus]

Like if dps burst right as I pull the take aggro

It happens like 30%of the time

[strong forum]

im not having any aggro issues in my runs

ever

only 1 taunt here or there

on 1 mob

[spiral igloo]

but I need to learn to ride that line between having mitigation up versus dpsing

tanking is waay more engaging than ranged dps tbh... dps is brainded now that I've been trying tanking

[quiet nexus]

What if you move to next mob and rav is not up yet

[undone jacinth]

it will always be up

unless you're in a poop key

[strong forum]

this is generally what your dps breakdown should look like

and NO DOLPHIN

ITS NOT MISTS

[undone jacinth]

lol

investigates

[indigo pumice]

Sorry stepped away from pc , I see so punish #notworth . Thanks for the help

[undone jacinth]

there are times where maybe with a mage or something it's not up on next pack, but if that happens it's probably because everyone blew their CDs which means they also wont be doing max damage

[midnight stone]

Depends on your pull sizes and your DPS specs, I think

but there are numerous runs where I don't have ravager every pull, DOS is one of them

[undone jacinth]

what packs do you think you're killing and then chaining under 45s?

[quiet nexus]

You ever have a pull where you pre rav, charge in and clap, but right as u charge 2 mobs just run right passed u thru the rav and go towards ur dps?

[undone jacinth]

I haven't no

[midnight stone]

Quite a few packs, if you named the dungeon I could probably point out which ones we do

[quiet nexus]

Wierd

[undone jacinth]

unless they immediately run back to me maybe

well you said DOS

so which packs there

[midnight stone]

Almost all of ardenweald

Mechagon, outside of the Dental Drills, each of those pulls die <45

The first 3? yeah easy to have ravager for them, but pretending like you have ravager -for every single pull in a dungeon- is just a lie

[undone jacinth]

if you're triple pulling ardenweald and doing all of that in under 45s each

then I want to play in your groups

[quiet nexus]

Shockwave is up pretty much every pull but with inspiring mob it doesn't stun to keep them put while I gain aggro with clap n revenge

Do u guys track how much healing you do compared to your healer?

[unique shale]

if i wanna find group to push M+ should i write on rio bio ?

[midnight stone]

I generally only look if I feel like I'm being underhealed

[unique shale]

is anybody care or read it ?

[undone jacinth]

if there’s a pull you don’t have it for it’s usually because dps CDs have been used or because you’re doing small pulls, which I said already and then it’s a lot easier to hold aggro without it anyway

[indigo pumice]

Yeah I track on details but it’s typically back of my mind unless we wipe and nothing was like clearly the issue

[chilly brook]

What's wrong with mists tho

[quiet nexus]

When you pull a group do you tab target to get auto attacks and ss spread out for aggro?

Or do u just keep 1 target and clap revenge

[chilly brook]

No lol

Only time I swap targets is if I need to grab something that decides that it wants to go elsewhere

[quiet nexus]

Mm ok

[echo egret]

hey there, we encountered a tough pack in Mists maze : stalker+stinger+shaper+tender+guardian - any advice on priorities ? CC one ?

[chilly brook]

Don't think I've ever had any real issues on any packs in mists

Stun the kick

Interrupt tender

[quiet nexus]

If dps doesn't ever interrupt its a lot harder

[echo egret]

yeah he was healing the rest while we were focusing the stalker+stinger

[sterile swallow]

why do the guides from icy veins say to only use revenge when its free then ?

[strong forum]

dolphin complained that its the most pad heavy dungeon to make your dps look better

[chilly brook]

I mean I disagree

[strong forum]

and people always mention mists dmg

[quiet nexus]

I tried playing that way a long time ago and could never hold aggro. U definitely need to use revenge

[chilly brook]

It's definitely the highest base damage dungeon though

Because so many 5 packs

And it allows for big pulls

But if you're wanting to see what classes are capable of that's what you want

[sterile swallow]

is there a better site to look at thats been updated for prot things? rotation, trinkets etcetc

[chilly brook]

IV is fairly accurate

It's a starting point

When you're comfortable you can play around with dumping more rage into Revenge over IP

[strong forum]

does it?

[quiet nexus]

Does free revenge generate rage due to the dmg?

[chilly brook]

Probably just left over from BFA

[strong forum]

interesting

yeah that needs updating

but ill tell mwahi some other time

[sterile swallow]

im very comfortable been playing prot war since vanilla but ya this expac tried to follow guides and i will try to use revenge more

thanks

[strong forum]

hes busy with some shit i gave him

👀

[quiet nexus]

Wish they gave us a little more rage gen

[strong forum]

rage gen is fine to me

[quiet nexus]

Most of the time me too

[strong forum]

whats your gear / talents

[quiet nexus]

Ilvl 194 I used to main heals

[strong forum]

ah thatll do it

[quiet nexus]

Switched to war tank like 2 weeks ago

[strong forum]

yeah at low ilvl it feels pretty meh

[chilly brook]

Rage issues boil down to 1 of 2 things

Or both

[quiet nexus]

Only doing like +6/7

[strong forum]

around 210 is when things start to be pretty good

[quiet nexus]

Mmm i see

[chilly brook]

Wrong talents and not pressing buttons when you should and over pressing buttons when you shouldn't

[undone jacinth]

ofc you would but it is obviously the pad dungeon because it’s the least threatening

[strong forum]

but technically the best benchmark

[undone jacinth]

for max possible dps yes

[sterile swallow]

im 209 and mostly raid so not too much rage issues so will definitely work on getting revenge back in my rotation

[undone jacinth]

for dps while having to tank stuff no

[sterile swallow]

is ravager a m+ talent or raid too?

[strong forum]

m+

in raid you play ITF

[sterile swallow]

ok thats what i thought

[chilly brook]

In raid this is what my cast breakdown looks like

[strong forum]

not enough TC casts

[undone jacinth]

stop casting celestial guidance so much bro

[strong forum]

yeah it looked a little high

[sterile swallow]

haha

alright good info ty

also nice shield slam number

[strong forum]

THIS

this is shieldslam numbers

[undone jacinth]

you both cast 69

nice

[strong forum]

nice

fight duration is only 4:19

[sterile swallow]

nice

[strong forum]

missed it by 1 second...

[undone jacinth]

that is sad

[sterile swallow]

F

what is the soft cap on haste

20%?

[jagged pulsar]

30%

[sterile swallow]

ok

im struggling to get any haste on my drops

lots of crit/mastery -_-

[sweet summit]

there is no reachable softcap

[sterile swallow]

ok

so the more haste the better then?

[sweet summit]

all stats are good, so you still prio overall ilvl

[strong forum]

39% is the sweetspot for haste

aka, not reachable this tier

i have haste in every single slot except weapon and shield and im only 27% haste

[sterile swallow]

ok

[strong forum]

so not even close

[sterile swallow]

is it basically ilvl>strength>haste?\

[undone jacinth]

the reason you're getting conflicting info is because above 30% you get 10% DR from stats, but then above 40% its 20% DR

so nom is saying that he doesnt mind 10%

[strong forum]

ilvl > haste > vers

[undone jacinth]

just fyi

[strong forum]

ye the 10% is losing 33 total haste

from going from 30 to 40% haste

33 total haste

like come on

[sterile swallow]

oh ok gotcha

[undone sun]

the drs aren't worth worrying about

[strong forum]

^

[undone jacinth]

I don't really value haste as high as you but I still generally agree

isn't worth worrying

[sterile swallow]

is there a guide that is updated thats similar to icyveins with talents/trinkets bis?

[undone jacinth]

the guides are mostly fine but you can just ask

talents are straight forward

trinkets are just scale and then whatever trinket you need for anything - general purpose stone legion, scared of dying heart of alar, bit of defensiveness vintage, value trinket anima emitter

[sterile swallow]

ok thanks

for raiding the talents im running are devastator/doubletime/booming voice/crackling thunder except on artificer i switch to bounding stride/indomitable/itf/anger management

do those sound right?

[strong forum]

"scared of dying heart of alar"

nice

[undone jacinth]

your only debatable choices are bolster instead of AM and then its probably better to take bounding stride always

if you're not finding yourself in defensive trouble then AM is perfectly fine

[sterile swallow]

ok cool

[thin nexus]

how am i suppose dto survive this pull? theres only so much i can do with kiting especially if theres a lack of cc goin out in the group, it feels

[undone jacinth]

so the main thing killing you is an instant attack from those little bonesoldier fuckers

[thin nexus]

yes

[undone jacinth]

basically you want to a) use everything you have and b) kite

keep the bonesoldiers outside of your melee range and then try to make sure you're keeping the big guy kicked

[thin nexus]

yeah thats what im doin it just feels like it's a tossup if i survive especially when inspiring is still up

ok

[undone jacinth]

I have been ccing the inspire guy

and pull the pack to the corner

this week

[thin nexus]

what can i use to cc?

[undone jacinth]

your party

technically you can probably use a soul trap too

with engineering

[unique shale]

one thing i do

after start pull we bl and i use everything

then i go pull 3 so i can get my cds back

then i go pull 2

[thin nexus]

pack 3, 2?

[undone jacinth]

angel thinks its a different pack to the one it is

[thin nexus]

this is the pack before you enter zul gurub im talkin about. pull 3 on dratnos route

[unique shale]

Enraged spirit

[strong forum]

oh shit

theres a 2.6k guardian

[undone jacinth]

what angel means is dont pull the bonesoldier pack and then go do spirit to get cds back

[strong forum]

in CN

[undone jacinth]

the problem with that is that the spirit isnt a joke on high keys

[thin nexus]

how do i not pull them?

[unique shale]

go around them ?

[undone jacinth]

you can go to the left

but honestly it's not a good idea

well, it can be

just gotta keep in mind the spirit can wipe you too

[unique shale]

you gtg kill it anyway what's different

[thin nexus]

ya

[undone jacinth]

the difference is CDs

your argument is go kill it without CDs

to get CDs back

but often you want CDs for the spirit

because it can wipe you

[thin nexus]

right

[undone jacinth]

like I don't wanna go too much in to it because it gets confusing

but the short is you want CDs for that pack

and this week I would personally also cc the inspire

you can decide yourself how you want to route for it - for example you can skip pack 1 entirely and go straight there with lust

just got to decide what you prefer

[silk edge]

i have sw for the pull then its just kitting

[quiet nexus]

Does inspiring prevent interupts?

[unique shale]

yup

[silk edge]

first pack with bl u survive easy with just last stand

not on the actual inspired mob

[thin nexus]

yeah

[chilly brook]

If theres a pack that relies on kicks and has an inspired mob just sheep or trap etc.

[ember marsh]

ok ive finally decided after lmoast 24 hours

i will be making a bear.

[elfin cedar]

Cmon man

Dont give up

[ember marsh]

i never even made a prot warrior i joined here cause i thought it would be it

[elfin cedar]

Ok then I wish u a very pleasant die

[ember marsh]

ill be making all tanks in the future if i enjoy tanking

relax.

[elfin cedar]

[undone sun]

[ember marsh]

i think a good tank will play all of them at least at an aotc level

[elfin cedar]

I saw that edit

[ember marsh]

i changed it from really good to good

[elfin cedar]

I know lmao

[ember marsh]

👁️

[elfin cedar]

Warrior will be better later. Once gear levels raise and the game changes back from kiting to standing and fighting we'll come back into vogue

[ember marsh]

oh yeah

for sure

i think next tank will be prot warrior again

if i enjoy tanking

[elfin cedar]

-i say, taking another dose of copium

[ember marsh]

my avatar

[elfin cedar]

Same

[ember marsh]

and all the normies comment on my pfp like im some pepe sperg

they dont know.

im just inhaling copium

while i play wow

[livid dawn]

I got into a SoA group today and the group lead was looking for a tank

https://i.imgur.com/Bih5wdZ.png

Saw this...

heartbreaking

[strong forum]

Proud disciples

[elfin cedar]

When will this discrimination against our people end

[strong forum]

When we're #1

And only then

[unique shale]

f this guys

i did 14 nw easy

[strong forum]

Best for dungeon 6

Depleted

Look at this head ass motherfucker

Tryna meta game

[livid dawn]

And then the lead said, "I'm asking my friend"

[unique shale]

they are looking for getting carry you know

[livid dawn]

Invites another warrior who was 800 io

and was dogshit at playing his class

[unique shale]

lol

[livid dawn]

I cri every tiem

The dude was not okay with this defensive uptime

and only facetanked

and get trucked 100 to 0

because of the black wave things

[unique shale]

[livid dawn]

I hope that wasn't one of you guys here

[unique shale]

easiest keys i did this week was DOS and NW

[strong forum]

Bro that was me

[unique shale]

[strong forum]

All you mastery socket Bois get your sockets in order

[undone jacinth]

no flame pls

[strong forum]

You might find some new tech soon

Regarding the "Sims highest" part

[unique shale]

venthyr prot tank life 😦

[visual drift]

if i use nyia at night fae should i go for burrs effect or poison?
as tank you kick the most of all the skills and could deal extra dmg and thunderclap slowing already so burr is waste maybe?

[strong forum]

I can't answer that as I'm not NF

[unique shale]

omg

[crimson reef]

so i have a macro for raid leading that places world markers rotating between different ones. it pairs with some auto run code in details. however, i have to click the macro, then left mouse click to place it. I want to know if theres a way to get it to drop the marker @ cursor. Here is the macro and auto run code respectively

/cwm [mod] all
/click ActionButton8 Button5

local b=ActionButton8 _MH=_MH or(b:SetAttribute("*type5","macro")or SecureHandlerWrapScript(b,"PreClick",b,'Z=IsAltKeyDown()and 0 or(Z or 0)%8+1 self:SetAttribute("macrotext5","/wm [nomod]"..Z)'))or 1

Anyone have any idea how to make something like that work?

[unique shale]

i can't even do a 14 or 15 people bringing their low lvl frinds to boost them and they want it time

[strong forum]

Isnt there just an option in keybinds?

Or just use Opie

[crimson reef]

well i want to be able to use it during a pull like to set down 3 marks real fast. opie makes it a bit slow

oh might be better to post in ui-wekauras-addons channel

[chilly brook]

Burrs is big dam

And if you have classes that gain resources from kicking why would you be the most kicks

[undone jacinth]

tank is most likely to be highest on kicks

but burrs is just straight up more damage on paper

so its not a waste

[visual drift]

What dolphin says, i get around 20kicks per dungeon

[chilly brook]

Only 20?

👀

[visual drift]

yes, only 20. depends on dungeon on mists is it more ofc. But the group get 20 too

But for Burr i have to kite it through that trap?

[chilly brook]

I mean....

[quaint fjord]

hello, i'm having trouble tanking in HoA especially in this part (screenshot below), i'm really not sure how i should proceed to do this part, is it ok to just jump in this week ? (key 12-14 ish)
https://i.imgur.com/ewoHPUz.jpg

[chilly brook]

Burrs is nuts

And from my experience

Burrs is a buff on the target

Not a ground effect

Seems to function as a dot

[visual drift]

Ah okay. Thank you griff, then i use this

[thin nexus]

im gonna guess one part you struggle with is when you jump down theres no place to kite the bears? skip the bears there and instead fo downt he stairs. modify the route a little to readjust percent

[quaint fjord]

@thin nexus yes exactly

[undone jacinth]

it's not too bad to pull them if you are confident in your groups ability to slow/kite

but if you're going to jump down get pride beforehand

[quaint fjord]

i almost only play in pick-ups sadly 😄

so is it ok to jump with pride ?

[undone jacinth]

I'll do it in pugs in the 15 range with pride

but its ropey to say the least

[chilly brook]

Jumping down isn't bad

Unless you're playing with melons

Who don't know what's going on around them and ass pull

But there are other ways of routing that avoid that headache all together

[quaint fjord]

okay thanks guys ! but it is indeed a big mess, maybe changing route would be better in pick up at least

[undone jacinth]

I usually double pull the gargon pack the two casters at the gate

[quartz bloom]

Hey Folks, Thoughts on having Kleia as a soulbind for tanking?

[chilly brook]

Worse than pepegos

[undone jacinth]

she stinks

[chilly brook]

She T H I C C tho

👀

But yes

[quartz bloom]

so whats the best option for Kyrian? I tank outside of raid, dps for raid

[chilly brook]

Pepegos

Pelagos>>>>>>kleia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mikanikos

Yes mik is bad

It's not like you have to change much up going from DPS to tank anyways

Spear conduit and the rally conduit are going to stay in their place for both

Which means at most you're changing 2 conduit slots

[undone jacinth]

theres no way kleia is better than mik

she is a total horse

[chilly brook]

She thicc tho

He ain't

[undone jacinth]

u seen him?

he's fucking jacked

[chilly brook]

Really the point is they're both cheeks compared to pepegos

[elfin cedar]

Kleia: qt 3.14
Mikanikos: not

But at the same time you hang out in bastion long enough, you see some WEIRD shit in /1

"What are you-hoo doing, step-maw-walker?"

And then you understand why god doesn't talk to us anymore.

[dark lark]

I couldn't stand all those uppity angels

Made the switch to Venthyr and I couldn't be happier being a vampy edgelord

Hosting dinner parties

[elfin cedar]

Yeah venthyr and necrolord have the best hangouts and atmosphere

But the spear is too good

[elfin cedar]

The flag isnt bad except for the small aoe and that it only affects 2 allies and that it cant be moved and that it has a ramp up time and that-

[undone jacinth]

you forgot cd

[elfin cedar]

And the cd

Honestly I kind of want to go back to ven from kyrian just because you cant use trade chat in kyrian HQ

Like you can at the necrolord throne or the sinfall castle

Feels like an oversight tbh

[undone jacinth]

forgot trade chat existed

[elfin cedar]

Bro shitposting in tradechat is half the reason I still play this game

[quartz bloom]

so whats gonna be the best conduits to use as tank then? atm im just using what wowhead suggests.. im 204ilvl equipped, but feel like im only like 10 ilvl

[undone jacinth]

prot wars conduits are pretty ass in general

last stand conduit is decent, spear is decent, rally is good

show of force is okay

ashen can be ok in some situations

and obviously stalwart

[chilly brook]

Covenant specific conduit>rally conduit>last stand>stalwart guardian

Basically what you want for prot

[last mason]

timed sd 18 poogies

[undone jacinth]

gz

[chilly brook]

Nice

[undone jacinth]

how did you handle that pack

[chilly brook]

What's your sens and dpi?

[last mason]

trapped the inspired mob, i hard focused tick

ticks

then pulled the inspired mob leftover into the pride

[chilly brook]

Yea sounds like the play

[last mason]

and my sens and dpi?

[undone jacinth]

nice

[chilly brook]

It's a bad joke

[last mason]

ah lol ok

was gonna say i play on a macbook idk about that shit hahaha

[undone jacinth]

oh god

burn my eyes pls

[chilly brook]

👀

[last mason]

its not that bad tbhb

[chilly brook]

Macbook

[last mason]

did it through college

[chilly brook]

👀

[undone jacinth]

the only guy I know who plays on a macbook, once asked me in dota "dang this is so hard... like how do you use all your abilities so fast with a trackpad"

[last mason]

i mean i use a mouse hahaha

[undone jacinth]

my face: ???????????????????????????

[last mason]

so not THAT degen

[undone jacinth]

he just didn't understand the concept of a mouse

being beneficial

dark times

[last mason]

but thats what i like about mtg arena also

need nothing but the laptop itself

its my side game

[chilly brook]

I just wouldn't play video games on a mac

Let alone a mac book

[last mason]

maybe when i start making a bit more disposable income

ill invest in something better

but living that post-grad life rn

[chilly brook]

Then again

[undone jacinth]

tbh I hate using anything other than apple stuff for work

[chilly brook]

I just wouldn't buy a mac for like 98.5% of the things people do on computers

[undone jacinth]

so it goes both ways

[last mason]

i like macs for writing

[undone jacinth]

yea

[last mason]

and just casual stuff

[undone jacinth]

ipad + mac

are dream work combo

[chilly brook]

I have a mac and a pc at work

👀

I still prefer doing all my editing on the PC

iPad is great for having the show rundown available and handling floor directing though

[undone jacinth]

just easier making diagrams and stuff with an ipencil

than it is with a mouse

imo

[chilly brook]

Dont doubt that

[undone jacinth]

and the interconnectivity like when you go somewhere and need to hook up with a screen

or someone else has a device you wanna send stuff too etc

apple is just unrivalled

other stuff is so clunky

[modern brook]

i saw a banner for the first time since the expansion dropped

[elfin lotus]

i have question : where is the drop location of Iron Maiden Endurance Conduits

[modern brook]

thought i was in a bg with dolphin

[chilly brook]

doesn't exist

removed

[elfin lotus]

ty 🙂

[undone jacinth]

maybe you were..

man banner in bgs must just be the absolute worst

[hardy radish]

https://mplus.subcreation.net/protection-warrior.html

this site is saying it's about 50/50 on prot warrs using the wall and tl leggos in M+

is wall really that good? I would've thought TL beats it in pretty much every regard for m+

[livid dawn]

It depends on which cooldown you want when

Do you want demo shout every pack

Or do you want shield wall every other pack

I think

[lofty widget]

the wall will give you a lot more rage than TL as well

[hardy radish]

intradesting

[livid dawn]

But I don't have a legendary so what do I know

[lofty widget]

i recently went from TL to TW and it feels a lot better

[ember marsh]

guys am i disabled

why do i have 9 lvl 60s

👁️

[unique shale]

guys i timed SD and even showed i timed in wow armory. However in rio shows i didn't time it !!

is it bug where can i report it ?

[undone jacinth]

link?

[unique shale]

link what ?

[undone jacinth]

u said armory shows

and rio shows not

[unique shale]

you need link to those both ?

[undone jacinth]

im asking you to link

[unique shale]

ok

[undone jacinth]

in case maybe you are looking at something wrong

[weak dawn]

Rio also takes a few hours to update

(Well, it can)

[undone jacinth]

it will update instantly if you use the addon

[weak dawn]

I’m a basic bitch 🤣

[unique shale]

it is in rio but it shows 1.5 min over time

[undone jacinth]

okey do you have the links?

that is fookin weird tbh

I assume rio will update itself at some point

[unique shale]

hopefully cause i don't wanna do that on 14 again 👀

[ember marsh]

alliance

[unique shale]

[jaunty vector]

what souldbind you venthyr prot gamers using?

[lucid holly]

nadija

[unique shale]

others are depends on dung or week