Keep that in mind
#protection
strong forum
Memes are okay and everything
But some people might find this a bit too much, no worries though @unique shale
strong forum
Better 🤎
mystic ridge
Real talk though, is there a reason not to be a fox warrior...
undone jacinth
there is 1 reason
undone jacinth
unique shale
i just timed +14 NW i fear no dung XD
vestal peak
i have a qeustion pls guys, just in CN raid, which trinkets should i be aiming for?
undone jacinth
do you mean for the raid or from the raid
unique shale
LOL
undone jacinth
I just bricked two DOS keys
its not a nice place
wait I meant SD not DOS... fack
DOS is ok
woeful vine
first couple pulls in dos are brutal
undone jacinth
first one is np
lofty widget
especially this week
undone jacinth
2nd is super awks
lofty widget
inspiring placement sucks
undone jacinth
ccing and knocking it away
then tanking in the corner
worked for me
but it was mega scuff central
unique shale
ccing and knocking it away
did it with pugs and they flamed me for asking cc XD
unique shale
LOL
undone jacinth
talking about a gorger in the boss corridor in SD, which is in a pack of 3 gorgers, 2 of which will be cc immune
I was like... ??
unique shale
asking cc in dung either take 1 min that guys understand need to cc or just ignore you
undone jacinth
everyone thinks that if u cc a mob u cant meet a timer
forgetting that the affix is literally designed for u to cc stuff
woeful vine
i was told last week on necrotic to not worry about kiting by the healer that they'd just heal through my stacks
undone jacinth
lmao
unique shale
lol
undone jacinth
thats a good one
I had 87 stacks on my bear in NW, I wonder if they could heal that
woeful vine
i was like oh.. i suppose you can't read then lol
undone jacinth
dw I heal bro
unique shale
when i tell dh i will tount pudge add in nw. i am dh we will kite it is dh thing
2 min later got one shot
undone jacinth
lol
I do feel a lot safer in that area as paladin
I feel like paladin is good in so many spots atm
woeful vine
my warrior is 205. my pally 210. i feel like i am way tankier on the warrior
woeful vine
yeah.. i feel like pally is more "oh i took damage, better heal myself"
and to me that doesn't feel like a tank
undone jacinth
palas actually want to avoid using their heal as much as possible
they have this really cool conduit that extends the duration of their ardent defender (20% DR) every time they shield of the righteous
woeful vine
yeah
undone jacinth
but holy power is used on that or heal
undone jacinth
heal yourself to get the bubble?
woeful vine
yeah theres some bubble or shield you get from overhealing
strong forum
My cotank wanted to come on some bosses as pally, he died twice on shriekwing and just flopped to hungering auto attacks
... Actually insane
woeful vine
nevermind. i was thinking of the shining light proc. anaylzer still tells you to cast it with large overhealing
yeah that
i knew it was something lol
undone jacinth
for that you would want to be as low as possible anyway
basically wog does more the lower you are
so you have to try and game it
undone jacinth
which usually means dying while going for the big wog
woeful vine
you get docked on pallies if you don't use wog to heal yourself... but i'm not going to use it if i don't need healing
undone jacinth
I think analyzer was being updated for tanks and then it kinda blew up when they went paywall mwahi was saying some people stopped contributing
or took their contributions away
woeful vine
oh yeah?
undone jacinth
supposedly none of them were told
so they dipped
when I try to use it for my feral it just says that it basically isn't reliable, like a warning saying this doesn't work properly
I was like well ok then, great..
trim condor
How far Is versa from haste at protect? Thinking about pvp gearing
ocean bloom
Ilvl >>>> stats
trim condor
Thats true, forgot about that, thanks!
ocean bloom
And basically unless you are pushing with the big boys who already cleared mythic you will gear faster and better from pvp
vestal peak
@undone jacinth im ment trinkets from the raid, which ones are better to choose from?
trim condor
I am mostly pugging And on my main DH, I can't do nothing as havoc in arena, So I want try if I can gear better protect warrior with arms spec haha
undone jacinth
<@!132546192105144320> im ment trinkets from the raid, which ones are better to ...
splintered heart of alar is good if you might die... stone legion heraldry is a good all rounder
ocean bloom
Pvp isn't just gonna be easy on a differnt class, and running flags as VDH is pretty easy way to get rating in rbgs
vestal peak
@undone jacinth how good is Sanguine vintage from Sire, is it worth it?
undone jacinth
yeah it's pretty good, it's purely defensive but its a nice button to have every minute
you can use it on any sort of tank mechanic or something often
vestal peak
thanks alot
undone jacinth
all good bro
spiral wave
If ur cotank is a pally and stacks crit haste and mad paragon then bursts on taunt switches what should u do
tardy parcel
tell them to fuck off
they should be familiar with your level of threat generation, and throttle accordingly
spiral wave
That's what I thought prolly won't happen though
undone jacinth
depends on key but probably most of them!
lofty widget
pack before first boss is a must imo
if you have an offensive purge in the group you can take mender with boss for a slight dps increase ^^
rancid ember
Usually Lust that pack on Fort weeks and bring mender during the Pride. You should have some Lust left over to help you deal with it
tame valley
What trinkets are you guys rolling with for keys above 15?
blazing condor
shit ones lol
mighty valley
^ same right now
undone jacinth
would probably run pvp stat trink if I ever pvpd
mighty valley
don't really have any of the good offensive trinkets, would swap alar for decanter or something in sub-15s if I had one
mighty valley
what bugs you about it?
undone jacinth
it does okay damage but anything that says <does damage>
gets a thumbs down from me
mighty valley
speeds up the key!!
wooden heath
any advice for SD 13? Im trying to get over 1000 raider io im sitting at like 950 by doing all 13, but I am just getting melted (915 ilevel)
mighty valley
should be doing pretty ok at 915 ilvl tbh
restive wigeon
bro id be pushing +94 with 915 ilvl
wooden heath
omg
215
I just dont get it Im cooldowning each pull and keeping shield block up
just getting melted
mighty valley
which are the tough packs for you? you usually have space to kite back the way you came for the hardest stuff
undone jacinth
best thing to do is to log ur keys buddy
so we can see what you are doing
SD this week is actually quite rough tho
mighty valley
god I gotta stop being an idiot and leaping into a whirlwind when I'm trying to kite lol
wooden heath
I usually am fine until gauntlet
and the bridge before because groups dont skip that bridge 3
mighty valley
are you using the naaru as an extra DR cooldown?
restive wigeon
you can
taunt the overseer and the mistdude
upstairs
and play the gargoyle alone
mighty valley
yeah on fort weeks I still split that pull up
mighty valley
they just nerfed them
undone jacinth
they are still brutal
just u have a chance of living now
classes that cant dodge the bleed are still in hell mode tho
mighty valley
yeah, it's livable on tyrannical though if dps is good and you use the naaru
undone jacinth
the variables are just giga
also the timer in SD is pretty nice
can play pretty safe
lucid holly
odd question but is Plka Venthyr because he/she plays dps in raid? Or actually prefers Venthyr for m+?
solemn magnet
both?
restive wigeon
venth is worthless for prot
solemn magnet
wut
lucid holly
Yeah but the top prot guy is venthyr
restive wigeon
if at least condemn would be rage generating
lucid holly
and he/she is above by far
restive wigeon
it wouldnt be so garbage
solemn magnet
condemn isn't worthless
lucid holly
That was my assumption
But even prot execute phase is pretty good with condemn
But prot has execute too
so
wooden heath
im finding I dont have much rage for execute though
restive wigeon
I mean if you dont get damage
wooden heath
mostly shield wall / ignore pain
restive wigeon
just that ignore pains absorb is 10 times the size of condemns
solemn magnet
it's not
restive wigeon
theres no way one condemn is 60% of one ip
solemn magnet
i'm not going to defend venthyr prot very hard, but it's not necrolords bads
dense flame
mighty valley
my condemn ignores up to 4698 right now vs. 6852 for IP
restive wigeon
hm thats actually decent
solemn magnet
not as good as phail and spear, but yeah, it's fine
restive wigeon
however the phial
and the aggro spear generates
plus the rage
spear is just way too juicy
also lets you kite on your own for a while
overall way better
mighty valley
yeah I'd still recommend someone who wants the easiest time in m+ to go kyrian if they don't care about anything else
but if you vibe with venthyr, it's not dumpster
and has plusses for raid
undone jacinth
I can confirm necrolord is bad if you dont have melee dps if that helps
undone jacinth
dont offend me pls
restive wigeon
might wanna pull an uno reverse on them
undone jacinth
i'm looking forward to the road ahead
restive wigeon
I was thinking about it and I thought it would be kinda cool if the necro ability would be a shout that pulsates around you for a while
like a cry barbarian in diablo 2 if that tells you anything
but ye
the banner just standing around isnt good
and the effect isnt either
warm marsh
Place a banner that makes you shout causing deep wounds to flair up for X damage and slowing the attack speed and casting of enemies by X%
restive wigeon
ye something in that direction
undone jacinth
Place a banner that makes you shout causing deep wounds to flair up for X damage...
the best thing is that this implies you can place it
restive wigeon
mid left right?
yes
undone jacinth
when in actual fact it just spawns on your face
lofty widget
mid left right?
and use spear on the last one
unique shale
anyone here have problem taking plaguefall this week ?
last week i could time as many as plaguefall but this week i failing every single one
undone jacinth
pack before 2nd boss or goliath pack on the right or commander pack on the left
depends what route youre doing
blazing condor
normal route with left after 1st
undone jacinth
these days people like doing pride + spear triple pack double goliath pull on the right hand side
blazing condor
im pugging so nothing too fancy
undone jacinth
I would use on pack before 2nd boss
unique shale
yup
vestal moat
Whelp, another week, no buffs.
unique shale
Whelp, another week, no buffs.
just git gud at this point
odd verge
Hey guys, question on Trinkets. Would you use Stone Legion Heraldry or Gluttonous Spike?
mighty valley
Stone Legion I think, haven't seen anyone make a good case for spike
unique shale
Hey guys, question on Trinkets. Would you use Stone Legion Heraldry or Gluttonou...
i would say Stone Legion
odd verge
The other slot i have on is Decanter from SD.
unique shale
meh
odd verge
Thanks! And if I "finally" manage to farm Scale from Hakkar, what's the priority you would run?
mighty valley
Scale + SLH, unless you're not very threatened at all, then you could throw the decanter on
odd verge
got it. makes sense. thanks!
cinder nova
Is it me or do priest healers feel like dogshit in high keys?
undone jacinth
I feel the same but I think the issue is that it looks like your health is never going up
when they are sort of just stabilising it with absorbs
but they are mostly there for the damage I guess
mighty valley
Disc has felt good to me, holy struggles
Disc can keep up and brings some great tools if they actually use them
blazing condor
is there any resource for routes available? besides the RIO ones
livid dawn
Does Dratnos count as RIO?
I just wanted to say... I really appreciate ya'll here in this discord
I just left the server of my actual main's spec
because they're pretty... negative
blazing condor
Yeah cus Dratnos does the RIO ones 😄
i usually use his but his SoA one is kinda wonky
idk its good to get some more perspective i guess
undone jacinth
I just left the server of my actual main's spec
I did the same 😛
livid dawn
But you all here are pretty chill
and even entertain my ideas of a frog transmog leaper build
even if it's just a meme
indigo pumice
I just left the server of my actual main's spec
actually same tho
seems lik totally reasonable and not a meme
ribbit
livid dawn
They're just like... nothing matters because everything is too easy
Unless you're doing M+30, do w/e you want
any small optimization ideas you might think of, doesn't matter
Your legendary doesn't matter because it's not a +30
ocean yoke
we stan leaper here
mighty valley
Leaper has gotta be pretty fun in WSG, right
unique shale
between [Inscrutable Quantum Device] or [Pulsating Stoneheart] which one are guys choosing ?
mighty valley
Stoneheart is the self-slow one right? think i'd be on IQD
can pop it on pull for a huge haste/vers buff
unique shale
yup
violet dome
For Sire, is there anything I can spell reflect?
or should be using spell reflect during?
dark lark
You can spell reflect the damage of Blood Price
Everything else is just for the mitigation
smoky sparrow
anyone else struggling on plague with all the poison dmg
violet dome
When do I pop it?
As I'm getting thrown down or before it he casts and knocks us up in the air?
ocean yoke
if you do it right before he throws you up itll reduce the damage
violet dome
But it's full reflectable
round dock
@smoky sparrow Maybe those remove poison potions from vanilla still work, could be useful
sharp steeple
Is necro really that bad for prot?
round dock
Its not really optimal
The active ability you get is basically just a channeled ignore pain with a 3 min cooldown
you'd probably be better off with the bastion spear and potions
sharp steeple
What about venthry? I will also like to dabble I’m dps, is the spear good for that as well? Or would venthry be better?
mighty valley
venthyr is best single target dps, kyrian/NF better for aoe generally
venthyr also cool and edgy though
unique shale
What about venthry? I will also like to dabble I’m dps, is the spear good for th...
venthyr prot tank here
no problem with tanking
sharp steeple
no problem with tanking
is condemn beneficial to you as a tank ttho? tanking will be my main priorty so i dont wan to mess myself up picking a bad coventant
unique shale
is condemn beneficial to you as a tank ttho? tanking will be my main priorty so ...
if tanking is your main activity then go kyrain it is easier tho
mighty valley
A Venthyr prot warrior on this very server has pushed past +20s so you're not exactly making yourself useless
unique shale
yup
using condemn is not bad tho you do more dps on single target and get some damage preventing up 5k
nadjia give huge haste buff plus more benefit from consumables
theotar the made duke and general draven are more for raid
but i use general draven on necrotic weeks
sharp steeple
im so indecisive lol
mighty valley
You can legit do anything you want on any covenant, pick the one with the abilities you like pressing or the coolest clothes or the home zone you'd like hanging out in most
undone jacinth
do what looks the most fun to you, that is the most important thing... you’re not gonna be punished heavily
unique shale
You can legit do anything you want on any covenant, pick the one with the abilit...
not the necrolord
mighty valley
a necrolord could definitely tank mythic denathrius lol
unique shale
i guess he never wanna play dps sometimes
mighty valley
the only thing that would hold you back is players who make group decisions based on memes
which i guess is most of the wow community
unique shale
deft sapphire
Yeah but I haven’t encountered anyone who finds the necrolord ability fun anyway
undone jacinth
hi
unique shale
hi
patent osprey
A Venthyr prot warrior on this very server has pushed past +20s so you're not ex...
who dat
cinder nova
Haste
unique shale
i want to play arm too sometimes so keep that in mind
deft sapphire
Haste is best for fury and decent for arms
unique shale
well good i have 11% haste on my arm
deft sapphire
Plus haste feels good for prot
undone sun
Feels 
cinder nova
Power
Stam is garbage
It's not garbage insofar that you shouldn't ever consider it, obviously tanks need big pp health bars
But compared to everything else it's such a low prio stat
You generally get all the stam you need from your gear
unique shale
gtg make my own flask of power it is 1k each on my server while stamina is 300g
cinder nova
If you do your callings each day you'll have enough for flasks for at least a raid night or two.
Or if you just collect the mats yourself.
unique shale
If you do your callings each day you'll have enough for flasks for at least a ra...
well it is not only flask i gtg buy healing potion, drum, speed potion, food, and weighstone so i guess calling won't be enough XD
invis pot as well
cinder nova
Should probably be using oil unless you can use weightstones together with weapon oil
modern brook
anyone have the reflect guide from legion handy
i need it to settle a bet and get a bunch of gold
undone sun
anyone have the reflect guide from legion handy
deft sapphire
Thyme with the plays
errant oriole
you guys think it worth swapping from venthyr i feel as if venthyr is really worthless tbh >_>
unique shale
you guys think it worth swapping from venthyr i feel as if venthyr is really wor...
in terms of what ?
errant oriole
i mean raid and mythic+
unique shale
can you be more pacific with your problem
errant oriole
well id rather gain rage then have to spend it on an offensive ability if that makes sense
is kyrian that much more awesome?
unique shale
i don't really get what you really talking about but venthyr more single damage and kyrain more aoe
next week you need more single target dps to kill boss
so .........
errant oriole
ah ok was just wandering on opinions
unique shale
and i never give up on door of shadow especially
errant oriole
oh?
unique shale
leap back get heal and door somewhere you can charge if you are running general draven or nadjia
it making your opener safer
vapid sage
:(
woeful vine
so prove them wrong
marble garnet
high folio
is 20% haste a break point for prot
high folio
oh?
honestly i recently made the change from night fae (AA is underrated btw) to venth and i still do just fine, the extra single target deeps is p fun and the other abilities dont really add that much defensive value outside of just rage generation. but honestly in m+ if youre running booming voice and ravager you have a ton of rage generation
undone sun
is 20% haste a break point for prot
no
high folio
ah okay, couldnt remember
i finally hit 20% wo into the fray, didnt know if i gained anything other then hitting the point where the spec gets a bit more comfortable
woeful vine
with more haste you'll lower your recharge time for shield block. as well as generate rage faster
high folio
well yeah i know that
woeful vine
more rage = more tanky
undone sun
😡
high folio
You get an extra shield slam inside battle cry 😢
thos were the days
high folio
more rage = more tanky
moar rage = moar condemn
woeful vine
lol that too
high folio
lmao
woeful vine
i'm debating on switching to venth
high folio
honestly, its not bad
woeful vine
i like my security blanket spear though
high folio
i feel you
its takes some adjustment but once you figure it out you get to live the dream of a venthyr prot warrior
11k crits on a tank feelsgoodman
woeful vine
how long do you think it'd take me to get the renown back up
high folio
ive been venth for less than a week and i just hit 21
woeful vine
nice
high folio
if you grind for it, not long. ive just been getting renown passively through playing
venthyr is totally viable tho, you kinda have to lean into it a bit and adjust play style a smidge, but very fun. im enjoying it
basically i just substitute condemn for ignore pain on pull and during execute phase, assuming SB is keeping me alive well enough. works pretty well
woeful vine
i think itll be fun
high folio
its really fun
7k single target burst on a tank feels good too lmao
i wouldnt get too caught up on running spear of bation and what not, personally i didnt like how it played which is why i went night fae since i spend more time in dungeons AA is really fucken strong for m+
but i dps in guild raid and was tired of sucking so i went venth, overall worth it
high folio
it does, like 50 all at once or something
yeah true, AA was p similar
w venthyr you get a lust every 80 seconds for 10 seconds. assuming you dont kill anyother mobs
it procs a lot in dungeons actually since youre killing a lot of stuff
woven trellis
so
for PF this week
do u still pull all blob before 1 st boss
or
u just grab inspired small pack first
then the rest?
ebon pebble
Why furry Warrior íis doing so big aggro i pulled All blobs revange thunderclap and he still got aggro on like 5 blobs we wiped here but still did intime, and when i play furry im doing big aggro too event when im not topping dps... :/
timber lagoon
Same for me, idk why. Unholy in my group isn't pulling aggro doing similar dps
outer solstice
Did he hit challenging shout by accident?
silver trout
yessss more venthyr prot warriors
i love that we can absolutely blow stuff up when we need to
unique shale
Why furry Warrior íis doing so big aggro i pulled All blobs revange thunderclap ...
DH and also pala pulling aggro from me idk why
deft vessel
oh lol
Fixed an issue wherein Niya's Tools: Burrs (Soulbind) would trigger off spells and abilities that don't deal damage.
Fixed an issue wherein Niya's Tools: Burrs (Soulbind) would trigger on more than one target.
there it is
turbid horizon
Why furry Warrior íis doing so big aggro i pulled All blobs revange thunderclap ...
its because of how our dps works, UHDKs might burst a ton but the dps is applied mostly through dots and pets, Fury warriors unleash all their burst in 1 ability very fast so if he doesnt wait for you to have aggro he'll pull
patent osprey
a great way to deal with any pull where you think dps may pull is just to use challenging shout once your ravager and avatar are going. you generate more threat when mobs are taunted so ull never lose aggro. the mass slimes is a pack I always pre challenging shout
ebon pebble
a great way to deal with any pull where you think dps may pull is just to use ch...
Ye i try that next runn ty for hint.
unique shale
4 min cd on challenging shout 
restive flax
I mean you only pull those blobs once...
strong forum
4min CD or not, it's powerful to use it often and regularly
sweet kayak
Most people are playing Bolster instead of AM, should I also do the same? I am playing thunderlords and doings Mythic 15's-16's
sweet kayak
Right then, I will go Bolster, thank you 🙂
strong forum
its fine to play AM in keys if your DPS are blasters and you abuse SW button + playing the Wall
but with TL AM is quite bad
sweet kayak
I see
hidden kindle
Whats the take on Wall vs Thunderlord for m+?
strong forum
wall for more surv due to SW reduction in higher keys
TL for more damage and rage
hidden kindle
ty
edgy cove
anyone spanish tank warr?
trim condor
Is wowhead guide legit? There is blood scale from Hakkar listed like ,,not bad,,
strong forum
its listed in the bis list on icyveins alteast
wowhead guide isnt 100% up to date
not every section is updated, thats for sure
trim condor
Just asking, I am using wowhead because I am Lazy to click on every item to be redirected 😁
graceful cobalt
how good is Brutal Vitality conduits?
strong forum
3rd best endurance conduit
its essentially 6% leech when IP is up
so no, not all that amazing
graceful cobalt
should i change it for Stalwart Guardian or choose midway and chnage for Show of Force?
strong forum
this is what im running in m+ for example
graceful cobalt
yeah have the same
sweet kayak
this is what im running in m+ for example
Take the satchel that gives you enchant material, I think it's better
graceful cobalt
if you want to change Talent´s for specific boss the talent he choose is better
sweet kayak
ohh you right actually 😮
waxen steppe
anyone else ever feel rage starved? sometimes i struggle ot have block and fnp up at same time.. sometimes even waiting for rage for a block ot come up
strong forum
if you have to wait for rage to come up for SB youre pressing too much revenge or IP when you shouldnt
unique shale
waxen steppe
i dont use revenge unless it procs
trim condor
Just curious, Is better to have haste trinket or STR trinket
I mean haste trinket from pvp
strong forum
str
waxen steppe
im currently lvl 58 so maybe its just cause he low level with poor gear
unique shale
one time i used too much revenge on a pack and i was first dps on aoe XD
strong forum
oh yeah at low levels
that is a bit different
but once you get gear and play rav+bolster you will have alot more rage to play with
trim condor
Lot of rage I am usually getting from ravager And aftershock
strong forum
with spear/aa aswell
waxen steppe
ok excellant cheers 🙂
Dragon roar better then booming voice? ive seen alot of people use either
waxen steppe
haha really.. so booming voice it is lol
strong forum
ye
unique shale
haha really.. so booming voice it is lol
just check pins for basic
A question if i SR Mueh'zala's Soulcrusher do we still get damage over time or not ?
amber herald
this is what im running in m+ for example
is show of force good? I've never used it
unique shale
is show of force good? I've never used it
i holding aggro better with show of force tho
novel lotus
Is nose for trouble (vulpera) actually that strong? 🤔 Currently a HM Tauren.
amber herald
Compared to the aftershock conduit? I'll swap if it's more dmg
restive flax
not only is nose for trouble actually that strong but you can see SOOO much more
for M+ that is
I am HM tauren myself and in SD with avatar going you ARE the corridor
novel lotus
I was looking at raider io and noticing lots of vulpera for I assumed that reason lol...I was under the impression that longterm highmountain racials would reduce more over time (also true, we are the beefiest of boys)
restive flax
Well
if fights take super long and your DPS players are bad HM Tauren might outvalue Vulpera at some point (I dont think youd time the key if your DPS are that bad), but you want to avoid that generally so... With a decent group Vulpera will be better.
unique shale
Can i ST Nalthor the rimebinder ice shield ?
novel lotus
Reducing that initial damage seems super valuable...sorry, this is something I've thought about for about a month now and am only just now asking lol 🤔
restive flax
yes you can Angel
unique shale
wow
restive flax
it wont break from that
novel lotus
it wont pop it off but it will do increased damage
restive flax
huh, I have to try if it gets rid of the physical immunity the big necromancer in front of the bridge has in NW
amber herald
Idk about that one either
prisma gorge
Hi i recently heard night fae prot war has some aoe silence or what, what you guys think about night fae prot war?
amber herald
comparable to kyrian
restive flax
if you can keep the mobs in the aoe for the entire duration
amber herald
It's not a silence but an aoe stun that periodically stuns for it's duration
restive flax
its a knockdown
amber herald
I'm NF and it's very good, I like it a lot
amber herald
it also gives you 12% more health and a big mastery buff
prisma gorge
wow ok thanks
that gives me hopes i actually retired my war as i cannot raid it with guild and shit luck with pugs on keys
amber herald
it's very close to kyrian, some packs will be easier and harder for both
unique shale
its okay man who cares about guild
restive flax
sausagerolls would you say that you can kite as good as kyrian with it?
prisma gorge
also one more thing that guy told me that said that with 52%ish mastery you basically have guaranteed crit block? what about that
unique shale
yup
restive flax
as in "turn into a unicorn and run away"
amber herald
You lose the root but you gain soulshape, again it's situational but I've not had much trouble kiting as NF
and there's always externals like binding and ursols
sweet summit
you need a lot more than 52% mastery to reach 100% crit block
prisma gorge
i am necrolord so i think going NF would be much better 😄
restive flax
Oh god, I was there Masaker
prisma gorge
you need a lot more than 52% mastery to reach 100% crit block
not 100%, but "basically guaranteed"
restive flax
I am super sad about Necrolords sucking that bad
unique shale
restive flax
they are by FAR the coolest
sweet summit
how can you "basically guarantee" rng
prisma gorge
Oh god, I was there Masaker
yea i thought that conduit heimir level 30 will be good but i retired before getting there 😄 😄
sweet summit
without having 100% chance
prisma gorge
how can you "basically guarantee" rng
thats why quotes 😄 chill
restive flax
I mean the soulbinds of Necrolords arent bad
sweet summit
restive flax
you just dont have an ability
amber herald
soulshapes quite nice for backpedal blinking out of the dots in SD and NW
but then again you can just cleanse them with phial
restive flax
like, Fleshcraft is fineish for smoothing out pulls but nothing else. if you run Emeni you can pop it to get 5% max hp for a few seconds but nothing else
unique shale
@static laurel nadija for tanking and i get draven for necrotic weeks
static laurel
thanks man
restive flax
Masaker what might also be relevant info is that the kyrian phial is pretty damn useful
you can even cleanse necrotic with it
unique shale
you can even cleanse necrotic with it
just aoe stun adds and leap back then door with chaos or endruing gloom
amber herald
<--- NF dwarf chad 
unique shale
it will be good practice for kiting then face tanking a lot of times
restive flax
I mean. You can basically do what you describe with any covenant
unique shale
lol yeah
prisma gorge
btw for NF what soulbind you go?
unique shale
just use brain
prisma gorge
just use brain
i have terrible hangover its easier to ask then read through it at this moment
restive flax
could be wrong, but I think that comment was targeted at me, not your question
You can go Draven if you need survivability and Nadia for everything else.
oh lol
uuuuh.
Might have mistaken Venthyr with NF just now 😄
I'm afraid I have no input for NF
jagged pier
I've heard Niya goes BRRRRRRRRR
midnight jetty
I know prot wars need haste vers but when do we replace pieces due to the item lv difference
sweet summit
generally no
midnight jetty
like ive got some haste vers hands 200 but got 210 crit mast hands
so we dont replace for item lv?
restive flax
uh... the only item slots where I dont replace for higher itemlevel (if the stats are bad) are neck and rings
restive flax
generally no
did you misunderstand what he meant or do you actually recommend only using items with good stats?
even if you have a higher ilevel replacement
that have suboptimal stats
midnight jetty
so what about other pieces?
sweet summit
ilvl is king
sweet summit
all stats are good
midnight jetty
ok ty
restive flax
Erga would you replace a 194 neck that has haste / mastery with a 213 neck that has mastery / crit?
distant iris
As an average to below average tank... What should my ilvl be to time/survive 5+ keys in general
distant iris
Just trying to determine how much I should feel like I'm getting trucked when I do them xD ty
tardy parcel
Do you guys know if that pack you can pull through the fog at the beginning of the Mists maze has an Inspiring mob in it?
sweet summit
yeah
strong forum
its not spicy if you have a firemage :^)
dark lark
What is this luxury you speak of
bright salmon
Any of you guys ever have problems taunting Shriekwing?
I've had a few runs now, where I taunt and he just continues eating the other tank.
ebon hound
I've noticed he might bite the other tank even if you're holding aggro
undone jacinth
yeah it’s a known issue with shriekwing
strong forum
he bites highest threat, not main target
so if you burst alot while other tank is tanking, you run into the chance of getting bitten instead
ebon hound
Aha, that makes sense
strong forum
you only take aggro if youre 110% threat, but at 101% threat you can already be bitten
undone jacinth
I’m pretty sure that sometimes it’s just completely bugged. I’ve had my off tank being bitten every bite when he’s doing less dps than me
bright salmon
But he responds fine when I use my challenging shout
strong forum
everytime im high threat, i get bitten
undone jacinth
none of those things last that long and he’s a bdk, no burst and doing 1k less dps than me
strong forum
its worked 100% like that everytime for me
cuz i get the "high threat" nameplate colour
and then i get bitten
undone jacinth
he got bitten like 4 times in a row or something, there’s no way that hes sitting at more threat than me but never pulling aggro for that entire time
strong forum
🤷♂️
undone jacinth
there’s been a number of broken aggro mechanics in SL
I’m pretty sure it’s just another one
but either way if it happens you can just adjust and keep tanking, there’s no downside
strong forum
kyrian potion / bop /stoneform can also remove the bleed
bright salmon
Can u intervene the bite?
strong forum
yes
bright salmon
Thx
strong forum
gotta make sure to have him cancel intervene after the bite though
otherwise you will get clapped for a few seconds
without being able to get healed 😉
undone jacinth
just don’t bother... there’s really no reason to
undone jacinth
it will usually fix itself after one of the los casts
intervening just adds a problem that you don’t want
strong forum
arms war could intervene the bleed and pop parry :^)
undone jacinth
#utility
undone jacinth
it’s good but think you can just priest grip the person out of it
bright salmon
I was literally going to ask about Arms Warrior parrying lol
bright salmon
I tried that on Darkvein and got clapped for it, on Arms
strong forum
whats there to intervene 🤔
bright salmon
The tank dot got put on me
undone jacinth
theres a lot of super weird intervene mechanics
in pvp you get all kinds of weird stuff put on you
strong forum
everything physical you can intervene, and funnily enough, frost trap aswell
bright salmon
Could you parry the lunge from huntsman?
strong forum
it is possible to be blocked
so i reckon parry should also work
you can intervene, sap, blind and many funny other things
intervene and overwatch is insane in pvp
fringe marten
Yeah nom me and my cotank always have that issue on shriekwing, he's a bear..and I'm like perma sitting at almost taking threat when he's trying to tank. I take nearly all the bleeds on that fight...but we don't really give a shit any more.
dusty bridge
Thinking about running twisting corridors with my holy priest buddy. Does prot work ok or should I run arms?
fringe marten
The worst threat issues are on Sire Denny in p3...I'm not sure exactly what it is? I think it's if you taunt during his knockback combo...it borks taunt super hard. Takes like 2? or 3 resets of taunt to get him to respond to it again.
Jitt I can't comment on duo's or teams (I've literally never grouped in torghast/TC) But I've solo'd all of it as prot and it's ludicrously easy. Tanks have a frankly unfair advantage in torghast content atm as far as making it easy. And if you go in with Tank/Healer combo you will both have the lower HP modifier on mobs so it will counter balance having a duo...so the mobs should have like ? "normal" hp or slightly above (as opposed to the reduced amount as a solo tank)
dusty bridge
Great Dadugan, appreciate it. We’re gonna give it a go!
fringe marten
Yeah, if you haven't done torghast as a tank...I think you're about to be shocked.
solemn magnet
Yeah nom me and my cotank always have that issue on shriekwing, he's a bear..and...
thats what happened to me last night with my bear co-tank. i just took all the bleeds, f it
fringe marten
When we were progging he was irritated because he had readied up some defensives and burned them etc and didn't take the bleed, then I slowed off damage a bit so he would have full threat during his 'on' phase...and then after a kill or 2 we just didn't give a shit any more and just mongo it LOL.
As long as the off tank just taunts shriek off for ? half the bleed stack or so..even if you get threat back, doesn't matter. So as long as there's a taunt off...one tank can take every bleed honestly it's irrelevant.
and I don't blame Lightee for bowing out of the MDI. All their 'esport' stuff has been going downhill since they basically tried to trick players into thinking they were increasing the prize pools by buying store mounts and such; and none of that money was going to the competitors..they had simply lowered the prizes.
If you're someone trying to make a career out of competitive high end video gaming, and or streaming...the MDI would be a complete waste of time. You could make 10x the money if you just went to play Fortnite.
ocean yoke
MDI is also boring to watch if you dont know what is going on. with stuff like csgo you can at least kinda tell or the casters make it clear enough. even if you do the setup for it is so unlike the game its just weird
i wouldnt want to put in the kind of practice time they need for a limited prize pool too
undone jacinth
cant really assume that a wow mdi player is going to be good at fortnite lol
ppl gotta try and make money at the thing they are good at
its more like streaming as the alternative
strong forum
wow is hard to watch without knowing whats happening yes
lilac sleet
Anyone have a tactic or strategy to pull the Inquisitor Sigar room right before last boss in HoA? Feel like its always just chaos but is there an efficient way to deal with this room?
lavish oracle
Well like Lightee gets way better viewers with PoE and basically dominates every major event
strong forum
its not as simple as watching a moba or csgo, you just see "oh they wiped the other team or killed this guy"
lavish oracle
So it makes sense for him to focus on thay
strong forum
and you understand already 90% of whats going on
and MDI pay is just horse shit
its not worth the effort at all
you have to basically commit a fulltime job, plus overtime to it and you get maybe paid $100 a week
only if you win absolutely everything, every tournament you can almost live off of it
astral crystal
you know who makes a ton of money? lightee
his poe shit apparently pays an assload
undone jacinth
hm
strong forum
well not good enough either
astral crystal
doesnt he have sponsors and shit?
lavish oracle
20k from prize pools
undone jacinth
hes never advertised anything on any poe stream ive seen
astral crystal
i recall reading somewhere it's al ot more profitable than world first for him
lavish oracle
His viewership explodes every event, too
trim condor
Just tried +7 spires with pug, I am 183ilvl, I was getting pretty chunked haha
undone jacinth
any streamer with decent viewers can make some money yeah
strong forum
through poe itself he makes maybe 10-15k
but thats also only
if you are world first
undone jacinth
world first hes splitting his income between like 30 people
and mdi doesnt make much because theres not really any viewers
strong forum
Just tried +7 spires with pug, I am 183ilvl, I was getting pretty chunked haha
yeah with pugs it can be quite a challenge
undone jacinth
and he doesnt win mdi
undone jacinth
makes sense that he makes more in poe but hes also the only player who can do that because the races are literally won by 1 guy
strong forum
so players dont invest into MDI, so theres little competetition
undone jacinth
meh
undone jacinth
it also makes very little
trim condor
@strong forum I feel like with interupts, I am actually better with prot war than with my DH, with mitigation
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> I feel like with interupts, I am actually better with prot...
ye war has 10x better CC
undone jacinth
blizz have not supported it well but I suspect their nervousness is they can't see how its gonna make them money in general
strong forum
yeah but if blizz doesnt want to make it worth your while, why have it exist to begin with
undone jacinth
they obviously want it to grow, just doesnt seem like anybody knows how
trim condor
ye war has 10x better CC
Yes And spell reflect is So fun, even negating soulcrush in DOS
strong forum
you make it grow by having actual reason to play it
jagged pier
well i mean they could give the whole prize money that toy raise for the MDI instead of taking like 70% of it
undone jacinth
yeah that was disgusting tbh
strong forum
like, who the fuck wants to compete in MDI
when you actually lose money by playing it
??
undone jacinth
I agree with that but I also question who actually wants to watch mdi in the first place
its audience seems limited imo
strong forum
if the only teams that can compete are teams that live off of streaming, you cant compete
well if it paid better, youd have atleast more people trying to get into it, and then watch it after not being good enough
so thats 1 step
2nd step is blizz making m+ better
undone jacinth
hmm
jagged pier
i dont mind it, would have a bigger audience on twitch as well tbf
undone jacinth
in other games, before they paid anything, you would have more than literally 12 teams in the world (minus china) signing up for qualifiers... I just don't think there's a pool or audience for it
jagged pier
like the switch to youtube killed the wow competitive scene imo lost so much view ship
undone jacinth
you think the viewership was high on twitch?
strong forum
- pay MDI players more = more players competing = more interest in it
- balance M+ better and more often
- dont make it the ABSOLUTE HARDEST AFFIXES for every dungeon
- create general ladders ingame to increase interest in m+ itself and reiterate rewardstructure
- maybe get better casters
MDI peaked at like 45k viewers in legion on twitch iirc
compared to sub 3k rn
undone jacinth
the vod from yesterday has 280k views
undone jacinth
I know how vods work but you're telling me twitch was significantly higher than that?
highly doubt it
strong forum
in legion, yes
strong forum
how many people watch wow streams on twitch
vs how much traffic does wow section get on youtube streaming
i often dont even notice MDI is live
jagged pier
^^ like a lot of people
strong forum
because the only way to know is to accidentally stumble upon it on blizz launcher
jagged pier
ppl i know presume it was gunan be on twitch
undone jacinth
the twitch vod for the MDI global finals in BFA, the last one, has 28k views
strong forum
or accidentally stumble onto it on youtube recommended page
undone jacinth
youtube 10x higher
jagged pier
^^
undone jacinth
it went youtube at the end
this one was on twitch
im looking at it right now
the cups have less than 1k views
strong forum
still
streaming on both platforms again would generate alot more viewers
the youtube only thing is not helping at all
the amount of times i missed a wowstream
is huge just because they dont advertise it for shit
undone jacinth
both would be ideal but blizz also made a load of money off the youtube move
that they werent making because viewership was bad
undone jacinth
idk I dont think the money came first in any other games
people were playing them before the money came
nobody wants to play MDI
and nobody wants to watch it
its the sad truth
strong forum
again, cuz nobody gives you a reason to
undone jacinth
so why did people watch other games before there was money in them
or play them
?
strong forum
because they arent requiring you to play 12hrs a day to play perfectly for 5months straight
just to compete
strong forum
csgo you can just be good
undone jacinth
oh dear
strong forum
and maybe win 1 or 2 games
brittle owl
there's alot of rehearsal and practice for stuff like mdi
brittle owl
sure not moba level of practice
strong forum
there is only 1 tournament
brittle owl
but not too far off
strong forum
with 8 teams
1
with 8
vs every other competetive game has hundreds of tournaments and small leagues
wow only has 1 league
with the same 4 teams
and 4 randoms that almost make it
undone jacinth
well wow has a ton of cups and stuff
strong forum
not really
undone jacinth
I mean you are looking at the current state of other games
that people actually watch
and assuming mdi can be like that
strong forum
it could
but again, wow is not an esport, doesnt have an esport esque mode even
theres not a wannabe MDI mode
where you can just practice freely to go fast
undone jacinth
what exactly are you basing the fact that mdi can be an esport like the other big ones on?
strong forum
im not saying it can
cuz it cant without blizzard stepping it the fuck up
im just giving reasons
as to why and how it is
but its entirely on blizz for MDI not being more than it is currently
or making any money for them
its a dead horse unless they change stuff
undone jacinth
just think its naive to blame blizzard when theres no audience or player base in the first place... no other game has ever had to create its player base or audience from nothing and games like Evolve that tried to force esports by throwing money at it fail miserably
arguments about viewership and stuff arent backed up by any actual facts, the facts are actually contrary to the arguments
if they put on a million dollar event in 6 months then maybe it grows... but the more likely scenario based on any available info is that it would be as dead as it is now
undone jacinth
undoubtedly
then when blizz lose 999k of that money on revenue it'll never happen again
strong forum
so by that, you gain interest in whos gonna get to play, better teams will play, competition will be more exciting
than "oh yeah echo will just win again lmao"
and teams get an increase in fanbase
undone jacinth
last mdi cup was as close as its ever been, then look what happened the next week
12 teams in the world outside of china sign up for time trials
nobody cares
strong forum
yes, cuz youre just gonna lose to echo/perplexed anyway
why bother
to try hard
for a chance on 100$?
undone jacinth
try to put yourself in the shoes of owning a game
strong forum
just make tournament realm perma access
undone jacinth
people telling you that you should be investing in its esport
and you can see nobody playing it
and you speak to your other game owning buddies
strong forum
and you got yourself people doing their own tournaments
undone jacinth
who have done it
and every single one of them had the player base and audience before they invested
strong forum
because everybody can easily enter a fan made tournament
in csgo
league
any moba ever
you dont have to be pro
to just play a tournament for fun
how hard is that to grasp
you cant make a competetive scene if there is nothing to compete in
undone jacinth
yeah so you create a separate version of your game
for them to compete in
what a great situation
just like when everyone in csgo creates their optimised character
on a different server
strong forum
yes
undone jacinth
ever
strong forum
exactly
undone jacinth
it never will be
so stop telling blizz to invest
enjoy it for what it is
a streamer event
strong forum
even streamers are leaving it
undone jacinth
its wows version of AGDQ
nobody cares when its over
its as competitive as it ever has been right now
just because lightee left doesn't mean it's got worse
strong forum
it rly isnt
undone jacinth
there have been two event winners for like 3 years?
we just had the 3rd one basically ever
undone jacinth
okay?
strong forum
and competitor of all of BFA mdi and top 3
undone jacinth
and hes still playing
undone jacinth
that's obviously not true but even if it is then it doesn't matter
they'll make some changes to reduce qualifying days or whatever, streamers will carry on playing, and that's the way it'll be forever
undone jacinth
right well that is what the event is
strong forum
for the last 10 years competing
undone jacinth
its not going to be something else no matter what they try
undone jacinth
because it doesnt matter
its not a good esport
if it was there would be people wanting to play
strong forum
so why have it to begin with
undone jacinth
and people watching
because its an event
doesnt cost them much
creates interest in the game
etc
they can badge it an esport, give people a competitive environment, cool etc
wont ever grow
undone jacinth
yeah we can just agree to disagree... I'm never gonna tell a dev to support a game that nobody is playing and a limited number of people are watching
ember marsh
thinking of trying tanking for the first time. well.. i made a brewmaster way back in the day but i was an ultranoob so it doesn't count. was torn between prot pally, bear and prot warrior
ember marsh
seems cool but im aware prot wars are lacking for m+
well im here
so i made my choice
:0
midnight stone
Lacking in representation, not capability
ember marsh
well vdh is just so good
undone jacinth
if you're just starting out then you wanna focus more on the basics of like how to use ur CDs, how encounters work etc
ember marsh
considering the debuff + meta having fire mage/boomkins
well im a mythic raider just never tanked
lol
undone jacinth
well yeah its same thing for anyone
unless you're saying you wanna do 23s or something
then you are gonna struggle on war
strong forum
undone jacinth
so you're just wanting some fun or ?
undone jacinth
then yea if your only goal is to like learn and tank weeklies or whatever then warr is totally good in that space
undone jacinth
I kinda do the same thing a lot and the way I do it is just spend more time with the class that I find plays in the most fun way
atm thats prot pala for me
ember marsh
prot pala seems good but if i wanted to dps where tanking isnt an option.. fuck ret
lol
midnight stone
big horse go zoom
strong forum
like, vdh isnt massively better cuz for example, my cotank says hes struggling as vdh in his 17s...
they just have a strong CD every now and again and more dmg
undone jacinth
prot pala seems good but if i wanted to dps where tanking isnt an option.. fuck ...
haha my exact dilemma which is how I ended up druid
midnight stone
Thats just him
midnight stone
VDH isn't massively better than prot wars, but there is no denying their tool kit is better suited to the current season
ember marsh
oh for sure, plus they have chaos brand
and the meta of having fire mage and boomkin
midnight stone
I think the variance of good VDHs I've run with is pretty high, so there is clearly something there
ember marsh
just makes that a more solid pick
i think if you were to run like mm, outlaw, prot warrior
it'd be more reasonable
strong forum
their CDs are stronger and they have more dmg, the toolkit ( talking utility ) isnt that great
undone jacinth
you're gonna want a boomy as war haha
ember marsh
for sure
undone jacinth
again it really just depends what you are after
if you're saying you want the strongest choice, its vdh unrivalled
but vdh learning curve is like this ------------------
ember marsh
the thing that turns me off from vdh
undone jacinth
so if you're just looking to learn something then its pointless
strong forum
soul cleave vdh is so fucking boring